Liberals are now calling anytime more than one person is shot, a "mass shooting"

Post by RichA
This is like calling spree shooters "terrorists." Do they ever get tired of misusing the English language for their own political ends?

Google acclaimed Republican 'Frank Luntz'.

moviePig

2021-05-30 15:40:45 UTC

Post by moviePig

This is like calling spree shooters "terrorists." Do they ever get
tired of misusing the English language for their own political ends?

Google acclaimed Republican 'Frank Luntz'.

Is *this* what you're claiming isn't really a "mass shooting"?

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2 killed, more than 20 wounded in mass shooting at rap concert,
Miami-Dade police say

Miami-Dade police are investigating a mass shooting at a billiards hall
concert that left two people and 20 to 25 others wounded in Northwest
Miami-Dade, near ...

Miami Herald
6 hours ago
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Ed Stasiak

2021-05-30 16:42:36 UTC

moviePig

RichA
This is like calling spree shooters "terrorists." Do they ever get
tired of misusing the English language for their own political ends?

Is *this* what you're claiming isn't really a "mass shooting"?
Miami-Dade police are investigating a mass shooting at a billiards hall
concert that left two people and 20 to 25 others wounded in Northwest
Miami-Dade, near ...

I'm guessing most of the wounded were injured from the panicked
stampede once the shooting started, this being a crowed concert.

But Rich is right, this is just another example of the Left/Dems
purposely misusing the English language for propaganda purposes.

Those people will counted as victims of a "mass shooting" where
the implication is that the killers are all crazy White guys with some
kinda Rightwing political agenda when in fact, most cases of mass
shootings (previously defined as four or more victims) the perps are
Blacks and the reason for the shooting was a typical feud over drugs
or because someone was "dissed" by another.

https://ibb.co/zXX8dNm

suzeeq

2021-05-30 17:17:05 UTC

Post by Ed Stasiak

moviePig

RichA
This is like calling spree shooters "terrorists." Do they ever get
tired of misusing the English language for their own political ends?

I'm guessing most of the wounded were injured from the panicked
stampede once the shooting started, this being a crowed concert.

You ought to read accounts of the incident and see how many were run
over, rather than being shot. Instead of guessing...

Post by Ed Stasiak
But Rich is right, this is just another example of the Left/Dems
purposely misusing the English language for propaganda purposes.
Those people will counted as victims of a "mass shooting" where
the implication is that the killers are all crazy White guys with some
kinda Rightwing political agenda when in fact, most cases of mass
shootings (previously defined as four or more victims) the perps are
Blacks and the reason for the shooting was a typical feud over drugs
or because someone was "dissed" by another.
https://ibb.co/zXX8dNm

And yeah, that says 4 people or more, not one or more as Rich's
inaccurate subject line says. Depends if they were indiscriminately
firing into a crowd too.

moviePig

2021-05-30 17:20:19 UTC

Post by Ed Stasiak

moviePig

RichA
This is like calling spree shooters "terrorists." Do they ever get
tired of misusing the English language for their own political ends?

I'm guessing most of the wounded were injured from the panicked
stampede once the shooting started, this being a crowed concert.
But Rich is right, this is just another example of the Left/Dems
purposely misusing the English language for propaganda purposes.
Those people will counted as victims of a "mass shooting" where
the implication is that the killers are all crazy White guys with some
kinda Rightwing political agenda when in fact, most cases of mass
shootings (previously defined as four or more victims) the perps are
Blacks and the reason for the shooting was a typical feud over drugs
or because someone was "dissed" by another.
https://ibb.co/zXX8dNm

I'd agree that if only two people were hit (or targeted) by bullets,
then "mass shooting" is probably a dilution. Meanwhile, though, show me
a noisemaker of *either* political bent who doesn't invariably employ
the most (or least) dramatic terminology within sight...

ZZyXX

2021-05-30 23:44:02 UTC

Post by Ed Stasiak

moviePig

RichA
This is like calling spree shooters "terrorists." Do they ever get
tired of misusing the English language for their own political ends?

I'm guessing most of the wounded were injured from the panicked
stampede once the shooting started, this being a crowed concert.
But Rich is right, this is just another example of the Left/Dems
purposely misusing the English language for propaganda purposes.
Those people will counted as victims of a "mass shooting" where
the implication is that the killers are all crazy White guys with some
kinda Rightwing political agenda when in fact, most cases of mass
shootings (previously defined as four or more victims) the perps are
Blacks

you have to stop guessing
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_shootings_in_the_United_States
Demographics[edit]
According to The New York Times, the majority of perpetrators they have
published stories about are white males who act alone.[41] According to
most analyses and studies, the proportion of mass shooters in the United
States who are white is slightly less than the proportion of white
people in the general population of the US, however, the proportion of
male mass shooters is considerably greater than the proportion of males
in the population.[42] According to the Associated Press, white men
comprise nearly 50 percent of all mass shooters in the US.[43] According
to the Center for Inquiry, mass shootings of family members (the most
common) are usually carried out by White, middle-aged men. Felony mass
shootings (connected with a previous crime) tend to be committed by
young Black or Hispanic males with extensive criminal records, typically
against persons of the same ethnic group. Public mass shootings of
persons unrelated to the shooter, and for a reason not connected with a
previous crime (the rarest but most publicized) are committed by men
whose racial distribution closely matches that of the nation as a whole.
Other than gender, the demographic profiles of public mass shooters are
too varied to draw firm conclusions.[44]

and the reason for the shooting was a typical feud over drugs

Post by Ed Stasiak
or because someone was "dissed" by another.
https://ibb.co/zXX8dNm

Ed Stasiak

2021-05-31 16:30:39 UTC

ZZyXX
According to the Associated Press, white men comprise nearly
50 percent of all mass shooters in the US.[43]

Because the media doesn't count mass shootings by Blacks as
mass shootings, they're labeled "gang violence" as including Black
mass shootings in the statistics derails the narrative that we're all
in deadly peril of crazed White Rightwingers shooting up the joint.

BTR1701

2021-05-30 16:59:23 UTC

This is like calling spree shooters "terrorists." Do they ever get tired of
misusing the English language for their own political ends?

It allows them to include all the gang drive-bys in the totals of
"America's mass shootings" to pump up those numbers to scarier levels in
order to drive support for Biden's gun grabbing efforts.

When the soccer mom in Des Moines hears that we've had 400 mass
shootings since January, she thinks there must be a shopping mall or a
school being shot up every single day and freaks out, not realizing that
the vast, vast majority of those shootings are inner-city thugs
massacring each other and will never be a threat to her or her family.

trotsky

2021-05-30 18:36:42 UTC

Post by BTR1701

This is like calling spree shooters "terrorists." Do they ever get tired of
misusing the English language for their own political ends?

It allows them to include all the gang drive-bys in the totals of
"America's mass shootings" to pump up those numbers to scarier levels in
order to drive support for Biden's gun grabbing efforts.
When the soccer mom in Des Moines hears that we've had 400 mass
shootings since January, she thinks there must be a shopping mall or a
school being shot up every single day and freaks out, not realizing that
the vast, vast majority of those shootings are inner-city thugs
massacring each other and will never be a threat to her or her family.

Of course this is just right wing asshole speak and you have no
statistics to back this up, correct?

trotsky

2021-05-30 18:49:15 UTC

On 5/30/21 9:43 AM, RichA wrote:

Another total fucking lie. The working definition is four or more people.

https://crim.sas.upenn.edu/fact-check/what-mass-shooting-what-can-be-done

The Congressional Research Service defines mass shootings, as multiple, firearm, homicide incidents, involving 4 or more victims at one or more locations close to one another. The FBI definition is essentially the same.

Are you ever right about anything? Holy fuck are you stupid.

moviePig

2021-05-30 19:58:27 UTC

Another total fucking lie. The working definition is four or more people.
https://crim.sas.upenn.edu/fact-check/what-mass-shooting-what-can-be-done

The Congressional Research Service defines mass shootings, as
multiple, firearm, homicide incidents, involving 4 or more victims at
one or more locations close to one another. The FBI definition is
essentially the same.

Are you ever right about anything? Holy fuck are you stupid.

Creepy there's an official number. Wonder how many makes a 'serial
killer'...

suzeeq

2021-05-30 20:46:21 UTC

Post by moviePig

Post by trotsky
Another total fucking lie. The working definition is four or more people.
https://crim.sas.upenn.edu/fact-check/what-mass-shooting-what-can-be-done

The Congressional Research Service defines mass shootings, as
multiple, firearm, homicide incidents, involving 4 or more victims at
one or more locations close to one another. The FBI definition is
essentially the same.

Are you ever right about anything? Holy fuck are you stupid.

Creepy there's an official number. Wonder how many makes a 'serial
killer'...

I think it's 3 bodies, killed in the same manner.

moviePig

2021-05-30 21:22:56 UTC

Another total fucking lie. The working definition is four or more people.
https://crim.sas.upenn.edu/fact-check/what-mass-shooting-what-can-be-done

The Congressional Research Service defines mass shootings, as
multiple, firearm, homicide incidents, involving 4 or more victims
at one or more locations close to one another. The FBI definition is
essentially the same.

Are you ever right about anything? Holy fuck are you stupid.

Creepy there's an official number. Wonder how many makes a 'serial
killer'...

I think it's 3 bodies, killed in the same manner.

(Omg! They have to be killed *mannerly*???)

Yeah, Wiki says three, as well as that the killer has to get off on it
...though we might assume that if he didn't, he'd stop after one or two.

The Horny Goat

2021-06-05 04:55:43 UTC

Post by moviePig
Creepy there's an official number. Wonder how many makes a 'serial
killer'...

I think it's 3 bodies, killed in the same manner.

Has to be in separate incidents else that guy in Toronto who drove his
car along a sidewalk is a serial killer

suzeeq

2021-06-05 05:13:17 UTC

Post by moviePig
Creepy there's an official number. Wonder how many makes a 'serial
killer'...

I think it's 3 bodies, killed in the same manner.

Has to be in separate incidents else that guy in Toronto who drove his
car along a sidewalk is a serial killer

Yes, there's an interval between murders.

moviePig

2021-06-05 13:31:00 UTC

Creepy there's an official number. Wonder how many makes a 'serial
killer'...

I think it's 3 bodies, killed in the same manner.

Has to be in separate incidents else that guy in Toronto who drove his
car along a sidewalk is a serial killer

Yes, there's an interval between murders.

The Toronto guy was more of a "limited series"-killer...

trotsky

2021-06-05 14:48:25 UTC

Post by moviePig

Creepy there's an official number. Wonder how many makes a 'serial
killer'...

I think it's 3 bodies, killed in the same manner.

Has to be in separate incidents else that guy in Toronto who drove his
car along a sidewalk is a serial killer

Yes, there's an interval between murders.

The Toronto guy was more of a "limited series"-killer...

That's a little cavalier but still clever.

Adam H. Kerman

2021-06-06 03:29:39 UTC

Post by moviePig
Creepy there's an official number. Wonder how many makes a 'serial
killer'...

I think it's 3 bodies, killed in the same manner.

Has to be in separate incidents else that guy in Toronto who drove his
car along a sidewalk is a serial killer

Yes, there's an interval between murders.

Is there a standard for how long the interval needs to be? An hour, a
day, a month? Just asking for some clarity.

Enough of an interval that the crimes are separate events at separate
crime scenes. A mass murder is multiple murders at one crime scene.

I really don't understand how the line is blurred.

anim8rfsk

2021-06-06 03:44:24 UTC

Post by Adam H. Kerman

Post by moviePig
Creepy there's an official number. Wonder how many makes a 'serial
killer'...

I think it's 3 bodies, killed in the same manner.

Has to be in separate incidents else that guy in Toronto who drove his
car along a sidewalk is a serial killer

Yes, there's an interval between murders.

Is there a standard for how long the interval needs to be? An hour, a
day, a month? Just asking for some clarity.

Enough of an interval that the crimes are separate events at separate
crime scenes. A mass murder is multiple murders at one crime scene.
I really don't understand how the line is blurred.

Because TV writers and reporters are lazy and stupid.

—
“The last thing I want to do is hurt you, but it’s still on my list.”

moviePig

2021-06-06 14:03:00 UTC

Post by moviePig
Creepy there's an official number. Wonder how many makes a 'serial
killer'...

I think it's 3 bodies, killed in the same manner.

Has to be in separate incidents else that guy in Toronto who drove his
car along a sidewalk is a serial killer

Yes, there's an interval between murders.

Is there a standard for how long the interval needs to be? An hour, a
day, a month? Just asking for some clarity.

Long enough for public interest to die, too...

Micky DuPree

2021-06-18 12:25:24 UTC

Post by moviePig
Creepy there's an official number. Wonder how many makes a 'serial
killer'...

I think it's 3 bodies, killed in the same manner.

Has to be in separate incidents else that guy in Toronto who drove
his car along a sidewalk is a serial killer

Yes, there's an interval between murders.

I suspect that the categories are based on empirical aggregations of
similar cases by law enforcement, particularly the FBI's behavioral
dept., because crimes and criminals within a given category just have a
lot in common with one another. So while psychosexual serial killers
may need to kill multiple people in a similar way at different times,
they're going to be categorized differently from, for example, contract
killers or mobsters who also kill multiple people in a similar way at
different times.

But I think that defining "mass shooting" as four or more people shot
in the same event is not a law enforcement category. Could be wrong.
However, it seems to me that this is not a behavioral category, as it
lumps in the guy who's about to be arrested for embezzlement who shoots
his wife and two kids and then turns the gun on himself with people like
the Las Vegas shooter, holing himself up in a hotel room and spraying a
large crowd of strangers. Maybe the "mass shooting" category is defined
by epidemiologists when comparing it with other means of homicide, and
the number of victims killed by other means just falls off significantly
after three.

-Micky

trotsky

2021-05-31 10:53:15 UTC

Another total fucking lie. The working definition is four or more people.
https://crim.sas.upenn.edu/fact-check/what-mass-shooting-what-can-be-done

The Congressional Research Service defines mass shootings, as
multiple, firearm, homicide incidents, involving 4 or more victims at
one or more locations close to one another. The FBI definition is
essentially the same.

Are you ever right about anything? Holy fuck are you stupid.

Creepy there's an official number. Wonder how many makes a 'serial
killer'...

I don't think it's creepy to have an official definition. You wouldn't
call shooting two people a "mass shooting" for example.

moviePig

2021-05-31 12:40:55 UTC

Another total fucking lie. The working definition is four or more people.
https://crim.sas.upenn.edu/fact-check/what-mass-shooting-what-can-be-done

The Congressional Research Service defines mass shootings, as
multiple, firearm, homicide incidents, involving 4 or more victims
at one or more locations close to one another. The FBI definition is
essentially the same.

Are you ever right about anything? Holy fuck are you stupid.

Creepy there's an official number. Wonder how many makes a 'serial
killer'...

I don't think it's creepy to have an official definition. You wouldn't
call shooting two people a "mass shooting" for example.

Creepy (of the human race) that it's a phenomenon repeated often enough
to comprise its own category, with semi-strict admission thresholds.

RichA

2021-06-07 04:31:05 UTC

Another total fucking lie. The working definition is four or more people.
https://crim.sas.upenn.edu/fact-check/what-mass-shooting-what-can-be-done

Then maybe it's racial? It's a "mass-shooting" if the shooter is white, but, if the are black....

https://www.cnn.com/2021/06/06/us/chicago-shootings-injured-dead/index.html

Eight people were wounded Sunday morning in the 8900 block of South Cottage Grove after occupants in a silver sedan fired into a group of people standing on a sidewalk. Six men and two women ranging from 28 to 38 years old were hit by gunfire and transported to local hospitals. The suspects remain at large.

ZZyXX

2021-06-07 19:44:45 UTC

Post by RichA

Another total fucking lie. The working definition is four or more people.
https://crim.sas.upenn.edu/fact-check/what-mass-shooting-what-can-be-done

Then maybe it's racial? It's a "mass-shooting" if the shooter is white, but, if the are black....
https://www.cnn.com/2021/06/06/us/chicago-shootings-injured-dead/index.html
Eight people were wounded Sunday morning in the 8900 block of South Cottage Grove after occupants in a silver sedan fired into a group of people standing on a sidewalk. Six men and two women ranging from 28 to 38 years old were hit by gunfire and transported to local hospitals. The suspects remain at large.

damn christians

anim8rfsk

2021-05-30 20:09:31 UTC

Post by RichA
This is like calling spree shooters "terrorists." Do they ever get tired
of misusing the English language for their own political ends?

They don’t know any better.

--
“The last thing I want to do is hurt you, but it’s still on my list.”

Adam H. Kerman

2021-05-30 20:23:55 UTC

Post by RichA
This is like calling spree shooters "terrorists." Do they ever get tired
of misusing the English language for their own political ends?

They don't know any better.

Nearly no one gets it right. Whenever a serious killing occurs, first
thing reporters ask is, Is this terrorism? Are you calling this a hate
crime? I guess they are unable to report accurately on the facts of a
crime without the need for lots of embellishment.

"Terrorism" has a specific meaning applicable to a crime in which the
targetted or non-targetted killing is meant to intimidate other members
of an ethnic or religious or national group.

anim8rfsk

2021-05-30 20:44:09 UTC

Post by Adam H. Kerman

Post by RichA
This is like calling spree shooters "terrorists." Do they ever get tired
of misusing the English language for their own political ends?

They don't know any better.

Nearly no one gets it right. Whenever a serious killing occurs, first
thing reporters ask is, Is this terrorism? Are you calling this a hate
crime? I guess they are unable to report accurately on the facts of a
crime without the need for lots of embellishment.
"Terrorism" has a specific meaning applicable to a crime in which the
targetted or non-targetted killing is meant to intimidate other members
of an ethnic or religious or national group.

Yep.

And blue bloods, and I’m sure others including maybe law and order, insist
on classifying any sort of crime that leaves more than a couple bodies as
serial killing.

I prefer Murdoch mysteries “sequential killing”

—
“The last thing I want to do is hurt you, but it’s still on my list.”

ZZyXX

2021-05-30 23:38:26 UTC