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"Kerosene" Maxine Waters: IT BEEZ BUSH'S FAULT
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Gettin' (* US *)
2010-08-13 21:04:56 UTC
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The new Negro excuse for their fuck-ups: Blame Bush. Maybe they think
that they've over-milked the "It beez racism" dodge.

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Facing Ethics Charges, Rep. Waters Points Finger at Bush
Administration

Published August 13, 2010

Rep. Maxine Waters (D-CA) holds a press conference to defend herself
on ethics charges, Friday, August 13, 2010. (FNC)
Embattled Rep. Maxine Waters on Friday blamed the Bush administration
for her ethics problems -- saying she had to intervene with the
Treasury Department on behalf of minority-owned banks seeking federal
bailout funds -- including one tied to her husband -- because the
Treasury Department wouldn't schedule its own appointments.

(...)

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/08/13/rep-waters-violated-house-rules/?test=latestnews
buzz
2010-08-13 21:13:32 UTC
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Post by Gettin' (* US *)
The new Negro excuse for their fuck-ups: Blame Bush. Maybe they think
that they've over-milked the "It beez racism" dodge.
___________
Facing Ethics Charges, Rep. Waters Points Finger at Bush
Administration
Published August 13, 2010
Rep. Maxine Waters (D-CA) holds a press conference to defend herself
on ethics charges, Friday, August 13, 2010. (FNC)
Embattled Rep. Maxine Waters on Friday blamed the Bush administration
for her ethics problems -- saying she had to intervene with the
Treasury Department on behalf of minority-owned banks seeking federal
bailout funds -- including one tied to her husband -- because the
Treasury Department wouldn't schedule its own appointments.
(...)
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/08/13/rep-waters-violated-house-rules/?test=latestnews
But Bush, but Bush, but Bush, whine, whine, whine. The simple-minded
wet-pantie libs need to come to the realization that Bush left office
nearly two years ago and isn't running for any political office on any
ballot.

Urkel ran on the promise he could fix everything and so far all the fool
has done is drive the economy and the country into the dumpster with a
deficit that will take generations to pay off, assuming it ever can be
paid off. Urkel owns it now and has done nothing but screw up, but he
holds true to his street agitator training...when you screw up, blame
someone else.


God Bless America...God Damn Rev J. Wright and his white hating black
panther buddies.

Calling an illegal alien an 'undocumented immigrant' is like calling a
drug dealer an 'unlicensed pharmacist'


"The Police acted stupidly"...Urkel Husein before taking time to learn
the facts.

Q...What does Barack Hussein Obama and Osama bin Laden have in common?
A...They both have friends that bombed the Pentagon.

"forget the truck...everybody can buy a truck."...Urkel Obama

Not in your economy Mr. Urkel
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"Navy corpse-man"...Urkel Obama (three times)

"We don't begrudge success. But I do think at a
certain point you've made enough money." -Urkel Obama

http://www.calcitynews.com/article/09/NOVEMBER/09-MyName-Is.html

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Liberal slogan: "Cool-Aid Cool-Aid, tastes great, Cool-Aid Cool-Aid,
can't wait".

Barack Hussein Obama...mmm mmm mmm
Send HIM to Pakistan to fight Osama...mmm mmm mmm

Simple-minded lying dummycrats (the party that birthed the KKK) and
liberals...morons electing morons.

Sex offender? Rapist? Child molester? Pedophile? Deal in child porn? Any
or all of these and not in jail? Thank a lib, especially a lib judge.
Klaus
2010-08-14 01:01:02 UTC
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Post by Gettin' (* US *)
The new Negro excuse for their fuck-ups: Blame Bush. Maybe they think
that they've over-milked the "It beez racism" dodge.
The DeLay excuse, "Blame Clinton".



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unknown
2010-08-14 01:15:40 UTC
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Post by Klaus
... fuck-ups...
The DeLay excuse, "Blame Clinton".
Ha! Good one.
Obwon
2010-08-14 12:10:19 UTC
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Post by unknown
Post by Klaus
... fuck-ups...
The DeLay excuse, "Blame Clinton".
Ha! Good one.
Yeah, too bad Clintons surplusses aren't still hanging
around, the way the bush deficits are.
unknown
2010-08-15 11:36:33 UTC
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Post by Obwon
Post by unknown
Post by Klaus
... fuck-ups...
The DeLay excuse, "Blame Clinton".
Ha! Good one.
Yeah, too bad Clintons surplusses aren't still hanging
around, the way the bush deficits are.
True.
unknown
2010-08-15 11:30:07 UTC
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Post by Klaus
... fuck-ups...
The DeLay excuse, "Blame Clinton".
Ha! Good one.
* US *
2010-08-14 11:22:58 UTC
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Post by Klaus
Post by Gettin' (* US *)
The new Negro excuse for their fuck-ups: Blame Bush. Maybe they think
that they've over-milked the "It beez racism" dodge.
The DeLay excuse, "Blame Clinton".
Clinton deserves the blame for the Malaysian coal fraud, letting Osama
slip away, and Chinagate.
F***@peach.net
2010-08-14 15:07:55 UTC
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Clinton deserves the blame for the Malaysian coal fraud, letting Osama
slip away, and Chinagate.
Oh, you mean those tired old unproven allegations that, even after
spending tens of millions to "investigate" did not produce a single
shred of credible evidence other than "looks like"?

By now even the dumbest rightwinger on earth knows that those
allegations were political smears intended to do what ideas and issues
could not against Clinton

Last resort (as Bill Bennett and CPAC said) was to conjure up a
"question of character" after popularity of the GOP Fell to 8% during
their 1995 government shutdown
* US *
2010-08-14 16:19:57 UTC
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As the 9/11 Commission tries to uncover what kept intelligence
agencies from preventing September 11, it has overlooked two vital
factors: Jamie Gorelick and Bill Clinton. Gorelick, who has browbeaten
the current administration, helped erect the walls between the FBI,
CIA and local investigators that made 9/11 inevitable. However, she
was merely expanding the policy Bill Clinton established with
Presidential Decision Directive 24. What has been little underreported
is why the policy came about: to thwart investigations into the
Chinese funding of Clinton’s re-election campaign, and the favors he
bestowed on them in return.

In April, CNSNews.com staff writer Scott Wheeler reported that a
senior U.S. government official and three other sources claimed that
the 1995 memo written by Jamie Gorelick, who served as the Clinton
Justice Department’s deputy attorney general from 1994 to 1997,
created "a roadblock" to the investigation of illegal Chinese
donations to the Democratic National Committee. But the picture is
much bigger than that. The Gorelick memo, which blocked intelligence
agents from sharing information that could have halted the September
11 hijacking plot, was only the mortar in a much larger maze of
bureaucratic walls whose creation Gorelick personally oversaw.



It’s a story the 9/11 Commission may not want to hear, and one that
Gorelick – now incredibly a member of that commission – has so far
refused to tell. But it is perhaps the most crucial one to
understanding the intentional breakdown of intelligence that led to
the September 11 disaster.



Nearly from the moment Gorelick took office in the Clinton Justice
Department, she began acting as the point woman for a large-scale
bureaucratic reorganization of intelligence agencies that ultimately
placed the gathering of intelligence, and decisions about what – if
anything – would be done with it. This entire operation was under
near-direct control of the White House. In the process, more than a
dozen CIA and FBI investigations underway at the time got caught
beneath the heel of the presidential boot, investigations that would
ultimately reveal massive Chinese espionage as millions in illegal
Chinese donations filled Democratic Party campaign coffers.



When Gorelick took office in 1994, the CIA was reeling from the news
that a Russian spy had been found in CIA ranks, and Congress was
hungry for a quick fix. A month after Gorelick was sworn in, Bill
Clinton issued Presidential Decision Directive 24. PDD 24 put
intelligence gathering under the direct control of the president’s
National Security Council, and ultimately the White House, through a
four-level, top-down chain of command set up to govern (that is,
stifle) intelligence sharing and cooperation between intelligence
agencies. From the moment the directive was implemented, intelligence
sharing became a bureaucratic nightmare that required negotiating a
befuddling bureaucracy that stopped directly at the President’s
office.



First, the directive effectively neutered the CIA by creating a
National Counterintelligence Center (NCI) to oversee the Agency. NCI
was staffed by an FBI agent appointed by the Clinton administration.
It also brought multiple international investigations underway at the
time under direct administrative control. The job of the NCI was to
“implement counterintelligence activities,” which meant that virtually
everything the CIA did, from a foreign intelligence agent’s report to
polygraph test results, now passed through the intelligence center
that PDD 24 created.



NCI reported to an administration-appointed National
Counterintelligence Operations Board (NCOB) charged with “discussing
counterintelligence matters.” The NCOB in turn reported to a National
Intelligence Policy Board, which coordinated activities between
intelligence agencies attempting to work together. The policy board
reported “directly” to the president through the Assistant to the
President for National Security Affairs.



The result was a massive bureaucratic roadblock for the CIA – which at
the time had a vast lead on the FBI in foreign intelligence – and for
the FBI itself, which was also forced to report to the NCOB. This
hampered cooperation between the two entities. All this occurred at a
time when both agencies were working separate ends of investigations
that would eventually implicate China in technology transfers and the
Democratic Party in a Chinese campaign cash grab.



And the woman charged with selling this plan to Congress, convince the
media and ultimately implement much of it? Jamie Gorelick.



Many in Congress, including some Democrats, found the changes PDD 24
put in place baffling: they seemed to do nothing to insulate the CIA
from infiltration while devastating the agency’s ability to collect
information. At the time, Democrat House Intelligence Chairman Dan
Glickman referred to the plan as “regulatory gobbledygook." Others
questioned how FBI control of CIA intelligence would foster greater
communication between the lower levels of the CIA and FBI, now that
all information would have to be run through a multi-tier bureaucratic
maze that only went upward.



Despite their doubts, Gorelick helped the administration sell the plan
on Capitol Hill. The Directive stood.



But that wasn’t good enough for the Clinton administration, which
wanted control over every criminal and intelligence investigation,
domestic and foreign, for reasons that would become apparent in a few
years. For the first time in Justice Department history, a political
appointee, Richard Scruggs – an old crony or Attorney General Janet
Reno’s from Florida – was put in charge of the Office of Intelligence
and Policy Review (OIPR). OIPR is the Justice Department agency in
charge of requesting wiretap and surveillance authority for criminal
and intelligence investigations on behalf of investigative agencies
from the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) court. The
court’s activities are kept secret from the public.



A year after PDD 24, with the new bureaucratic structure loaded with
administration appointees, Gorelick drafted the 1995 memo Attorney
General John Ashcroft mentioned while testifying before the 9/11
Commission. The Gorelick memo, and other supporting memos released in
recent weeks, not only created walls within the intelligence agencies
that prevented information sharing among their own agents, but
effectively walled these agencies off from each other and from outside
contact with the U.S. prosecutors instrumental in helping them gather
the evidence needed to make the case for criminal charges.



The only place left to go with intelligence information – particularly
for efforts to share intelligence information or obtain search
warrants – was straight up Clinton and Gorelick’s multi-tiered chain
of command. Instead, information lethal to the Democratic Party
languished inside the Justice Department, trapped behind Gorelick’s
walls.



The implications were enormous. In her letter of protest to Attorney
General Reno over Gorelick’s memo, United States Attorney Mary Jo
White spelled them out: “These instructions leave entirely to OIPR and
the (Justice Department) Criminal Division when, if ever, to contact
affected U.S. attorneys on investigations including terrorism and
espionage,” White wrote. (Like OIPR, the Criminal Division is also
part of the Justice Department.)



Without an enforcer, the walls might Gorelick’s memo put in place
might not have held. But Scruggs acted as that enforcer, and he
excelled at it. Scruggs maintained Gorelick’s walls between the FBI
and Justice's Criminal Division by threatening to automatically reject
any FBI request for a wiretap or search warrant if the Bureau
contacted the Justice Department's Criminal Division without
permission. This deprived the FBI, and ultimately the CIA, of
gathering advice and assistance from the Criminal Division that was
critical in espionage and terrorist cases.



It is no coincidence that this occurred at the same time both the FBI
and the CIA were churning up evidence damaging to the Democratic
Party, its fundraisers, the Chinese and ultimately the Clinton
administration itself. Between 1994 and the 1996 election, as Chinese
dollars poured into Democratic coffers, Clinton struggled to reopen
high-tech trade to China. Had agents confirmed Chinese theft of
weapons technology or its transfer of weapons technology to nations
like Pakistan, Iran and Syria, Clinton would have been forced by law
and international treaty to react.



Gorelick’s appointment to the job at Justice in 1994 occurred during a
period in which the FBI had begun to systematically investigate
technology theft by foreign powers. For the first time, these
investigations singled out the U.S. chemical, telecommunications,
aircraft and aerospace industries for intelligence collection.



By the time Gorelick wrote the March 1995 memo that sealed off
American intelligence agencies from each other and the outside world,
all of the most critical Chinagate investigations by American
intelligence agencies were already underway. Some of their findings
were damning:



In an investigation originally instigated by the CIA, the FBI was
beginning its search for the source of the leak of W-88 nuclear
warhead technology to China among the more than 1,000 people who had
access to the secrets. Despite Justice Department stonewalling and the
Department’s refusal to seek wiretap authority in 1997, the
investigation eventually led to Wen Ho Lee and the Los Alamos National
Laboratory.
The FBI first collected Extensive evidence in 1995 linking illegal
Democratic Party donations to China, according to the Congressional
Record. But Congress and the Director of the CIA didn’t find out about
the Justice Department’s failure to act upon that evidence until 1997,
safely after the 1996 election.
According to classified CIA documents leaked to the Washington Times,
between 1994 and 1997, the CIA learned that China sold Iran missile
technology, a nuclear fission reactor, advanced air-defense radar and
chemical agents. The Chinese also provided 5,000 ring magnets to
Pakistan, used in producing weapons-grade uranium. The Chinese also
provided uranium fuel for India's reactors.


In many cases the CIA resorting to leaking classified information to
the media, in an effort to bypass the administration’s blackout.



Gorelick knew these facts well. While Clinton may have refused to meet
with top CIA officials, Gorelick didn’t. According to a 1996 report by
the legal news service American Lawyer Media, Gorelick and then-Deputy
Director of the CIA George Tenet met every other week to discuss
intelligence and intelligence sharing.



But those in the Clinton administration weren’t the only ones to gain
from the secrecy. In 1994, the McDonnell Douglas Corporation
transferred military-use machine tools to the China National
Aero-Technology Import and Export Corporation that ended up in the
hands of the Chinese army. The sale occurred despite Defense
Department objections. McDonnell Douglas was a client of the Miller
Cassidy Larroca & Lewin, L.L.P. (now called Baker Botts), the
Washington, D.C., law firm where Gorelick worked for 17 years and was
a partner. Ray Larroca, another partner in the firm, represented
McDonnell in the Justice Department’s investigation of the technology
transfer.



In 1995, General Electric, a former client of Gorelick’s, also had
much to lose if the damaging information the CIA and the FBI had
reached Congress. At the time, GE was publicly lobbying for a
lucrative permit to assist the Chinese in replacing coal-fired power
stations with nuclear plants. A 1990 law required that the president
certify to Congress that China was not aiding in nuclear proliferation
before U.S. companies could execute the business agreement.



Moreover, in 1995, Michael Armstrong, then the CEO of Hughes
Electronics – a division of General Electric and another client of
Miller Cassidy Larroca & Lewin – was publicly lobbying Clinton to
switch satellite export controls from the State Department to the
Commerce Department. After the controls were lifted, Hughes and
another company gave sensitive data to the Chinese, equipment a
Pentagon study later concluded would allow China to develop
intercontinental and submarine-launched ballistic missiles aimed at
American targets. Miller Cassidy Larroca & Lewin partner Randall Turk
represented Hughes in the Congressional, State Department, and Justice
Department investigations that resulted.



The Cox Report, which detailed Chinese espionage for Congress during
the period, revealed that FBI surveillance caught Chinese officials
frantically trying to keep Democratic donor Johnny Chung from
divulging any information that would be damaging to Hughes
Electronics. Chung funneled $300,000 in illegal contributions from the
Chinese military to the DNC between 1994 and 1996.



It was this web of investigations that led Gorelick and Bill Clinton
to erect the wall between intelligence agencies that resulted in the
toppling of the Twin Towers. The connections go on and on, but they
all lead back to Gorelick, the one person who could best explain how
the Clinton administration neutered the American intelligence agencies
that could have stopped the September 11 plot. Yet another high crime
will have been committed if the September 11 Commission doesn’t demand
testimony from her.
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Post by * US *
Clinton deserves the blame for the Malaysian coal fraud, letting Osama
slip away, and Chinagate.
Oh, you mean those tired old unproven allegations that, even after
spending tens of millions to "investigate" did not produce a single
shred of credible evidence other than "looks like"?
By now even the dumbest rightwinger on earth knows that those
allegations were political smears intended to do what ideas and issues
could not against Clinton
Last resort (as Bill Bennett and CPAC said) was to conjure up a
"question of character" after popularity of the GOP Fell to 8% during
their 1995 government shutdown
F***@peach.net
2010-08-14 22:53:01 UTC
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It was this web of investigations that led Gorelick and Bill Clinton
to erect the wall between intelligence agencies that resulted in the
toppling of the Twin Towers.
Stupid fuckwit

The interchange of information between CIA and FBI was forbidden by
law----established after your fucking hero Nixon used them both for
spying on political enemies

Moreover, Jesse Helms refused to allow Clinton ANYTHING, blocked any
attempt to deal with terrorists
* US *
2010-08-14 22:58:45 UTC
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When the President signed the Executive Order designating 1.7 million
acres of land in southwest Utah as the Grand Staircase-Escalante
National
Monument, his action placed the area off limits to mineral extraction
and
development.

The New York Times reported that the monument encloses the largest
coal
field in the nation, the Kaiparowitz Plateau, which contains at least
7
billion tons of coal worth over $1 TRILLION.

Kentucky-based company Andalux Resources, which holds leases on 3,400
acres in the area, was planning to open a huge operation (underground,
not strip mining) that would have generated 1,000 jobs, $1 million in
annual revenue for Kane County, and at least $10 million a year in
state and federal taxes, according to the New York Times. Folks living
in the area wore black arm bands the day o the signing - but Clinton
didn't see them. He chose to make his announcement in a neighboring
state. WHY?

Why did he do it? Why lock up $1 trillion worth of coal?

An obvious explanation is he was hoping to secure the environmentalist
vote. Though that was no doubt part of his reasoning, he had surely
achieved such an objective earlier this summer when he declared the
huge area outside Yellowstone National Park a World Heritage Area.
Let'' look further.

In the weeks prior to the past election, revelations surfaced almost
daily
regarding donations from foreign sources to the Democratic Party and
Clinton's past campaigns. At the center of the controversy was another
set
of people to whom Clinton owes a few favors: the Lippo Group, a
powerful $5 billion Indonesian conglomerate, founded and owned by the
Riady family who, it turned out, had raised and funneled millions of
dollars into campaign coffers.

Democrats attempted to downplay the allegations of impropriety. Even
if the Clinton campaign and the Party did receive illegal
contribution- which is
denied -what, they demanded, had Clinton done for Lippo Group, the
Riadys, or Indonesia that really affects this country adversely? Good
question. The Payoff

Clinton's announcement at the Grand Canyon was wrapped in political
correctness. "Mining jobs are good jobs, and mining is important to
our
national security - but we can't have mines everywhere, and we
shouldn't
have mines that threaten national treasures," he told his sycophantic
audience.

But coal is not only important for our nation's security. More
importantly,
at the present time it is the most cost-effective fuel for the
electric
plants that supply our homes and industries with light, heat and
power.

Moreover, the coal at Kaiporowitz Plateau is a kind of coal that is
not
found "everywhere." It is very low sulfur, low ash - hence, low
polluting -
coal, the kind in high demand for power plants, such as one being
designed
for Ensenada, Mexico. That megawatt giant, presently on the drawing
boards, will supply electricity across northern Baja, an area plagued
by brownouts.

Had it not been taken off the world market, the logical source of coal
for
the Baja plant would be the Kaiparowitz Plateau. Once mined it could
be
transported by rail to the ports of Long Beach or Los Angeles, then by
barge to Ensenada. Thanks to Clinton, there will be no exporting of
Kaiparowitz coal, which means the facility's procurement people will
have to look elsewhere for clean non-polluting fuel.

Only two other sources

Besides the Kaiparowitz Plateau, there are only two other known
locations in the world where comparable coal is found in sufficient
quantities to make
mining it worthwhile. Colombia in South America is one, but it'll be
years
before the necessary mining and shipping infrastructure is built.

The other? You got it. Indonesia.

That's right - the coal fields of South Kalimantan (Borneo),
Indonesia. Big
plans are online for its development. Indonesia has been a source of
coal
for over a century, but the coal varies sharply in terms of quality.
Recently, however, a coal that is very low in sulfur has been
discovered. A
number of coal companies are already there, and it's a good bet Lippo
Group money is involved. A major company is Adaro Indonesia, of which
20 percent is owned by the Spanish government, 50 percent by New Hope
Corp., an Australian firm.

Envirocoal

According to the 1994 report Mineral Industry of Indonesia, by the
bureau of Mines, U.S. Dept. of Interior, Adaro aims to produce 15
million tones by the year 2000 of what they call Envirocoal - a
reference to its quality. Adaro has for several years anticipated the
U.S. as a major market, and has one committed purchaser already: Tampa
Electric Co., which signed a long-term contract to purchase 400,000
tones a year from the Indonesian firm.

To handle the shipping of the increased production, new shipping
terminals
are being constructed. One huge one is on a neighboring island at a
cost of
$1 billion. The P.T. Indonesia bulk Terminal, as the megaport is
called, is
owned 50 percent by New How, and 50 percent by "Indonesian interests"
(the Lippo Group perhaps), according to the Interior Dept. report.

Massive coal deposits, massive shipping facilities - that spells
massive
investment, massive contracts. This isn't some small-0is-beautiful
eco-operation. We're talking real money here, and it's hard to imagine
that
the "Lippopotamus" is not in on the action. But even if Lippo's not
directly
involved, the Indonesian government, with which Lippo has a cozy
relationship, certainly does. So too will the various foreign
investors and
mining companies to whom the Indonesian government has extended an
open invitation.

Winners and Losers

In any game there are winners and losers, and there are Americans in
the
first category - the investors who put their money in overseas coal
mining,
producers of natural gas, which the administration supports
wholeheartedly.

Plus, there's a deal between a Little Rock firm and Lippo. According
to the
ENERGY ECONOMIST for Sept., 1994, Entergy Group of Little Rock, in
partnership with the Lippo Group of Hong Kong, signed a memorandum of
understanding with the North China Power Corporation for the
cooperative
management and expansion of the $1 billion 1,200 megawatt coal-fired
Daton 2 power plan in Shanxi Province. Isn't that interesting And
where do you think the coal will come from?

The Democrats' question: What has Clinton done for Indonesia that
harms the United States? The answer is - with a stroke of his pen he
wiped out the
only significant competition to Indonesian coal interests in the world
market before it even got started, a move that at the same time
relegates
this country to importer status. His edict will force us into eventual
dependency on foreign producers of coal as we are presently dependent
on
overseas sources for oil - an unconscionable situation considering
that we
have abundant deposits of both commodities.

The President has given our children a legacy of continued energy
dependence, marked by contrived shortages and crises, the full impact
of
which will be sharply felt in the years to come
Post by F***@peach.net
Post by * US *
It was this web of investigations that led Gorelick and Bill Clinton
to erect the wall between intelligence agencies that resulted in the
toppling of the Twin Towers.
Stupid fuckwit
The interchange of information between CIA and FBI was forbidden by
law----established after your fucking hero Nixon used them both for
spying on political enemies
Moreover, Jesse Helms refused to allow Clinton ANYTHING, blocked any
attempt to deal with terrorists
F***@peach.net
2010-08-15 03:58:50 UTC
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Post by * US *
When the President signed the Executive Order designating 1.7 million
acres of land in southwest Utah as the Grand Staircase-Escalante
National
Monument, his action placed the area off limits to mineral extraction
and
development.
Thus pissing off Orrin Hatch who's kickbacks and cronies were fucked
in their schemes----WAH ! !
Post by * US *
Why did he do it? Why lock up $1 trillion worth of coal?
If nothing else---Pissing off the Hatchloon would be reason enough.

It's OUR fucking resources, you dimwit

Your idiots keep selling them to foriegn companies and then WE get to
pay for their profits.
unknown
2010-08-15 11:36:42 UTC
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Post by F***@peach.net
... placed the area off limits to mineral extraction
and development.
Thus pissing off Orrin Hatch who's kickbacks and cronies were fucked
in their schemes----WAH ! !
Indeed.
Post by F***@peach.net
Why did he do it? Why lock up $1 trillion worth of coal?
If nothing else---Pissing off the Hatchloon would be reason enough.
It's OUR fucking resources, you dimwit
Your idiots keep selling them to foriegn companies and then WE get to
pay for their profits.
Exactly.
* US *
2010-08-15 11:44:51 UTC
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Bill Clinton got off way too easily when discussing the failures of
pre-9/11 intelligence gathering and our lack of response when
repeatedly provoked. Yes, we were attacked prior to Clinton entering
office.


The kidnapping of our hostages in Iran and the Hezbollah attack in
Beirut are but two glaring examples of pre-al-Qaida terror. The
hostage taking was a nadir for our country and Jimmy Carter did not
have the nerve or the military to respond. Ronald Reagan also did not
respond to the attack that killed 240 Marines and others in Beirut,
but at the time we were in the middle of a civil war and we had no
idea which side was which and who our friends were and who were our
enemies.

The attacks against our interests and military in the 1990's were a
different story altogether. From Mogadishu to the first World Trade
Center Bombing to he African embassy bombings to the Khobar Towers to
finally a direct attack on a U.S. warship -- the USS Cole -- and still
we did almost nothing. We said to Osama bin-Laden "attack, we won't
respond" and he was emboldened enough to first allow planning for the
Millenium bombings and the Bojinka plane bombings (both luckily
stopped by heads-up policewomen) while funding the attacks on the WTC
and Pentagon.

Now Michael Isikoff writes that Clinton lied on Fox during that
finger-pointing charade with Chris Wallace:
The report also criticized intelligence problems when Bill Clinton was
president, detailing political and legal "constraints" agency
officials felt in the late 1990s. In September 2006, during a famous
encounter with Fox News anchor Wallace, Clinton erupted in anger and
waived his finger when asked about whether his administration had done
enough to get bin Laden. "What did I do? What did I do?" Clinton said
at one point. "I worked hard to try to kill him. I authorized a
finding for the CIA to kill him. We contracted with people to kill
him. I got closer to killing him than anybody has gotten since."

Clinton appeared to have been referring to a December 1999 Memorandum
of Notification (MON) he signed that authorized the CIA to use lethal
force to capture, not kill, bin Laden. But the inspector general's
report made it clear that the agency never viewed the order as a
license to "kill" bin Laden-one reason it never mounted more effective
operations against him. "The restrictions in the authorities given the
CIA with respect to bin Laden, while arguably, although ambiguously,
relaxed for a period of time in late 1998 and early 1999, limited the
range of permissible operations," the report stated. (Scheuer agreed
with the inspector general's findings on this issue, but said if
anything the report was overly diplomatic. "There was never any
ambiguity," he said. "None of those authorities ever allowed us to
kill anyone. At least that's what the CIA lawyers told us." A
spokesman for the former president had no immediate comment.)

So, in effect, we just were treated to more Clinton spin. Note that
the darling of the left, Michael Scheuer, makes perfectly clear that
Clinton flat out lied while being interviewed by Wallace. There was
never an order to kill Osama bin Laden and Clinton knew it when he was
being interviewed. Instead he proceeded to make a big show and got
major kudos for putting that Fox interviewer in his place. It was all
a sham, which those of us who actually viewed Clinton with a realistic
eye during the nineties knew from the start. I can see the Clinton
team forming their response: "It depends on what the definition of
"kill" means".

This only makes me bring up the question again: What did Sandy Berger
shove in his pants and steal from the National Archives that he and
Clinton didn't want the 9/11 Commission to see? Clinton had to know
this report would eventually be released and he would be proven wrong
once again. Surprisingly, he did have a comment, which means that the
Clinton spin machine is triangulating something or looking for someone
else to scapegoat as has been their M.O. for years.

As I've said before, 9/11 was not President Clinton's fault and it was
not President Bush's fault. It was the fault of a terror network that
used our freedoms against us. I do blame Clinton for destroying a
military and an intelligence entity that could have prevented the
attack from occurring had they been given the leadership and the tools
needed. Sadly, the Clinton administration had people such as 9/11
Commission member Jamie Gorelick who hamstrung the intel agencies and
contributed to our deep weaknesses.
Post by F***@peach.net
Post by * US *
When the President signed the Executive Order designating 1.7 million
acres of land in southwest Utah as the Grand Staircase-Escalante
National
Monument, his action placed the area off limits to mineral extraction
and
development.
Thus pissing off Orrin Hatch who's kickbacks and cronies were fucked
in their schemes----WAH ! !
Post by * US *
Why did he do it? Why lock up $1 trillion worth of coal?
If nothing else---Pissing off the Hatchloon would be reason enough.
It's OUR fucking resources, you dimwit
Your idiots keep selling them to foriegn companies and then WE get to
pay for their profits.
unknown
2010-08-15 13:03:35 UTC
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Bill Clinton got off ...
You never have, so you're jealous.
F***@peach.net
2010-08-15 13:47:39 UTC
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Post by * US *
Bill Clinton got off way too easily when discussing the failures of
pre-9/11 intelligence gathering
Bush Sr. was a former CIA wheel. What's up with that?
Post by * US *
The kidnapping of our hostages in Iran and the Hezbollah attack in
Beirut are but two glaring examples of pre-al-Qaida terror.
What's that got to do with the laws set up after Nixon misused CIA and
FBI?
Post by * US *
Now Michael Isikoff writes that Clinton lied on Fox during that
Didn't. Clinton operated Within the boundary of existing law at the
time.
Post by * US *
So, in effect, we just were treated to more Clinton spin.
And we have just been treated to a litany of bullshit propaganda that
you seem incapable of seeing for what it is.
* US *
2010-08-15 13:51:56 UTC
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December 2001

President Clinton and his national security team ignored several
opportunities to capture Osama bin Laden and his terrorist associates,
including one as late as last year.

I know because I negotiated more than one of the opportunities.

From 1996 to 1998, I opened unofficial channels between Sudan and the
Clinton administration. I met with officials in both countries,
including Clinton, U.S. National Security Advisor Samuel R. "Sandy"
Berger and Sudan's president and intelligence chief. President Omar
Hassan Ahmed Bashir, who wanted terrorism sanctions against Sudan
lifted, offered the arrest and extradition of Bin Laden and detailed
intelligence data about the global networks constructed by Egypt's
Islamic Jihad, Iran's Hezbollah and the Palestinian Hamas.

Among those in the networks were the two hijackers who piloted
commercial airliners into the World Trade Center.

The silence of the Clinton administration in responding to these
offers was deafening.

As an American Muslim and a political supporter of Clinton, I feel
now, as I argued with Clinton and Berger then, that their
counter-terrorism policies fueled the rise of Bin Laden from an
ordinary man to a Hydra-like monster.

Realizing the growing problem with Bin Laden, Bashir sent key
intelligence officials to the U.S. in February 1996.

The Sudanese offered to arrest Bin Laden and extradite him to Saudi
Arabia or, barring that, to "baby-sit" him--monitoring all his
activities and associates.

But Saudi officials didn't want their home-grown terrorist back where
he might plot to overthrow them.

In May 1996, the Sudanese capitulated to U.S. pressure and asked Bin
Laden to leave, despite their feeling that he could be monitored
better in Sudan than elsewhere.

Bin Laden left for Afghanistan, taking with him Ayman Zawahiri,
considered by the U.S. to be the chief planner of the Sept. 11
attacks; Mamdouh Mahmud Salim, who traveled frequently to Germany to
obtain electronic equipment for Al Qaeda; Wadih El-Hage, Bin Laden's
personal secretary and roving emissary, now serving a life sentence in
the U.S. for his role in the 1998 U.S. embassy bombings in Tanzania
and Kenya; and Fazul Abdullah Mohammed and Saif Adel, also accused of
carrying out the embassy attacks.

Some of these men are now among the FBI's 22 most-wanted terrorists.

The two men who allegedly piloted the planes into the twin towers,
Mohamed Atta and Marwan Al-Shehhi, prayed in the same Hamburg mosque
as did Salim and Mamoun Darkazanli, a Syrian trader who managed
Salim's bank accounts and whose assets are frozen.

Important data on each had been compiled by the Sudanese.

But U.S. authorities repeatedly turned the data away, first in
February 1996; then again that August, when at my suggestion Sudan's
religious ideologue, Hassan Turabi, wrote directly to Clinton; then
again in April 1997, when I persuaded Bashir to invite the FBI to come
to Sudan and view the data; and finally in February 1998, when Sudan's
intelligence chief, Gutbi al-Mahdi, wrote directly to the FBI.

Gutbi had shown me some of Sudan's data during a three-hour meeting in
Khartoum in October 1996. When I returned to Washington, I told Berger
and his specialist for East Africa, Susan Rice, about the data
available. They said they'd get back to me. They never did. Neither
did they respond when Bashir made the offer directly. I believe they
never had any intention to engage Muslim countries--ally or not.
Radical Islam, for the administration, was a convenient national
security threat.

And that was not the end of it. In July 2000--three months before the
deadly attack on the destroyer Cole in Yemen--I brought the White
House another plausible offer to deal with Bin Laden, by then known to
be involved in the embassy bombings. A senior counter-terrorism
official from one of the United States' closest Arab allies--an ally
whose name I am not free to divulge--approached me with the proposal
after telling me he was fed up with the antics and arrogance of U.S.
counter-terrorism officials.

The offer, which would have brought Bin Laden to the Arab country as
the first step of an extradition process that would eventually deliver
him to the U.S., required only that Clinton make a state visit there
to personally request Bin Laden's extradition. But senior Clinton
officials sabotaged the offer, letting it get caught up in internal
politics within the ruling family--Clintonian diplomacy at its best.

Clinton's failure to grasp the opportunity to unravel increasingly
organized extremists, coupled with Berger's assessments of their
potential to directly threaten the U.S., represents one of the most
serious foreign policy failures in American history.

*
Post by F***@peach.net
Post by * US *
Bill Clinton got off way too easily when discussing the failures of
pre-9/11 intelligence gathering
Bush Sr. was a former CIA wheel. What's up with that?
Post by * US *
The kidnapping of our hostages in Iran and the Hezbollah attack in
Beirut are but two glaring examples of pre-al-Qaida terror.
What's that got to do with the laws set up after Nixon misused CIA and
FBI?
Post by * US *
Now Michael Isikoff writes that Clinton lied on Fox during that
Didn't. Clinton operated Within the boundary of existing law at the
time.
Post by * US *
So, in effect, we just were treated to more Clinton spin.
And we have just been treated to a litany of bullshit propaganda that
you seem incapable of seeing for what it is.
unknown
2010-08-15 15:11:19 UTC
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Post by * US *
I know
No, you don't.
F***@peach.net
2010-08-15 19:38:24 UTC
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Post by * US *
December 2001
President Clinton and his national security team ignored several
opportunities to capture Osama bin Laden and his terrorist associates,
including one as late as last year.
December 2001 clinton was out of Office for a year.

PRIOR to Jan 2001---the Republican senate had a LOCK on anything and
blocked everything Clinton attempted to do. Jesse Helms held the
power.
New Day ... Same Shit
2010-08-15 19:45:30 UTC
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Dec 2001 was the date of the report.

Can't you read, missy?
Post by F***@peach.net
Post by * US *
December 2001
President Clinton and his national security team ignored several
opportunities to capture Osama bin Laden and his terrorist associates,
including one as late as last year.
December 2001 clinton was out of Office for a year.
PRIOR to Jan 2001---the Republican senate had a LOCK on anything and
blocked everything Clinton attempted to do. Jesse Helms held the
power.
unknown
2010-08-15 20:16:25 UTC
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Bush and Cheney are the real terrorists, of course.
F***@peach.net
2010-08-15 23:55:11 UTC
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Post by New Day ... Same Shit
Dec 2001 was the date of the report.
Can't you read, missy?
Bush took office January 20th 2001

December 2001 is 11 month LATER.
unknown
2010-08-16 00:11:22 UTC
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Post by F***@peach.net
Post by New Day ... Same Shit
Dec 2001 was the date of the report.
Can't you read, missy?
Bush took office January 20th 2001
December 2001 is 11 month LATER.
Indeed.
* US *
2010-08-16 00:57:23 UTC
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The discussion focused on Clinton's 1990s fuckups.

Are you deliberately trying to be ignorant?
Post by F***@peach.net
Post by New Day ... Same Shit
Dec 2001 was the date of the report.
Can't you read, missy?
Bush took office January 20th 2001
December 2001 is 11 month LATER.
unknown
2010-08-16 01:31:22 UTC
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... ignorant...
You sure are.
F***@peach.net
2010-08-16 03:48:33 UTC
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Post by * US *
The discussion focused on Clinton's 1990s fuckups.
Are you deliberately trying to be ignorant?
What fuckups

All I hear from you is bullshit allegations and nutcase propaganda
crap that never passed a laugh test.
unknown
2010-08-16 09:15:47 UTC
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Post by F***@peach.net
... deliberately trying to be ignorant...
What fuckups
All I hear from you is bullshit allegations and nutcase propaganda
crap that never passed a laugh test.
Exactly.

He has nothing.
* US *
2010-08-16 12:20:07 UTC
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As the 9/11 Commission tries to uncover what kept intelligence
agencies from preventing September 11, it has overlooked two vital
factors: Jamie Gorelick and Bill Clinton. Gorelick, who has browbeaten
the current administration, helped erect the walls between the FBI,
CIA and local investigators that made 9/11 inevitable. However, she
was merely expanding the policy Bill Clinton established with
Presidential Decision Directive 24. What has been little underreported
is why the policy came about: to thwart investigations into the
Chinese funding of Clinton’s re-election campaign, and the favors he
bestowed on them in return.

In April, CNSNews.com staff writer Scott Wheeler reported that a
senior U.S. government official and three other sources claimed that
the 1995 memo written by Jamie Gorelick, who served as the Clinton
Justice Department’s deputy attorney general from 1994 to 1997,
created "a roadblock" to the investigation of illegal Chinese
donations to the Democratic National Committee. But the picture is
much bigger than that. The Gorelick memo, which blocked intelligence
agents from sharing information that could have halted the September
11 hijacking plot, was only the mortar in a much larger maze of
bureaucratic walls whose creation Gorelick personally oversaw.



It’s a story the 9/11 Commission may not want to hear, and one that
Gorelick – now incredibly a member of that commission – has so far
refused to tell. But it is perhaps the most crucial one to
understanding the intentional breakdown of intelligence that led to
the September 11 disaster.



Nearly from the moment Gorelick took office in the Clinton Justice
Department, she began acting as the point woman for a large-scale
bureaucratic reorganization of intelligence agencies that ultimately
placed the gathering of intelligence, and decisions about what – if
anything – would be done with it. This entire operation was under
near-direct control of the White House. In the process, more than a
dozen CIA and FBI investigations underway at the time got caught
beneath the heel of the presidential boot, investigations that would
ultimately reveal massive Chinese espionage as millions in illegal
Chinese donations filled Democratic Party campaign coffers.



When Gorelick took office in 1994, the CIA was reeling from the news
that a Russian spy had been found in CIA ranks, and Congress was
hungry for a quick fix. A month after Gorelick was sworn in, Bill
Clinton issued Presidential Decision Directive 24. PDD 24 put
intelligence gathering under the direct control of the president’s
National Security Council, and ultimately the White House, through a
four-level, top-down chain of command set up to govern (that is,
stifle) intelligence sharing and cooperation between intelligence
agencies. From the moment the directive was implemented, intelligence
sharing became a bureaucratic nightmare that required negotiating a
befuddling bureaucracy that stopped directly at the President’s
office.



First, the directive effectively neutered the CIA by creating a
National Counterintelligence Center (NCI) to oversee the Agency. NCI
was staffed by an FBI agent appointed by the Clinton administration.
It also brought multiple international investigations underway at the
time under direct administrative control. The job of the NCI was to
“implement counterintelligence activities,” which meant that virtually
everything the CIA did, from a foreign intelligence agent’s report to
polygraph test results, now passed through the intelligence center
that PDD 24 created.



NCI reported to an administration-appointed National
Counterintelligence Operations Board (NCOB) charged with “discussing
counterintelligence matters.” The NCOB in turn reported to a National
Intelligence Policy Board, which coordinated activities between
intelligence agencies attempting to work together. The policy board
reported “directly” to the president through the Assistant to the
President for National Security Affairs.



The result was a massive bureaucratic roadblock for the CIA – which at
the time had a vast lead on the FBI in foreign intelligence – and for
the FBI itself, which was also forced to report to the NCOB. This
hampered cooperation between the two entities. All this occurred at a
time when both agencies were working separate ends of investigations
that would eventually implicate China in technology transfers and the
Democratic Party in a Chinese campaign cash grab.



And the woman charged with selling this plan to Congress, convince the
media and ultimately implement much of it? Jamie Gorelick.



Many in Congress, including some Democrats, found the changes PDD 24
put in place baffling: they seemed to do nothing to insulate the CIA
from infiltration while devastating the agency’s ability to collect
information. At the time, Democrat House Intelligence Chairman Dan
Glickman referred to the plan as “regulatory gobbledygook." Others
questioned how FBI control of CIA intelligence would foster greater
communication between the lower levels of the CIA and FBI, now that
all information would have to be run through a multi-tier bureaucratic
maze that only went upward.



Despite their doubts, Gorelick helped the administration sell the plan
on Capitol Hill. The Directive stood.



But that wasn’t good enough for the Clinton administration, which
wanted control over every criminal and intelligence investigation,
domestic and foreign, for reasons that would become apparent in a few
years. For the first time in Justice Department history, a political
appointee, Richard Scruggs – an old crony or Attorney General Janet
Reno’s from Florida – was put in charge of the Office of Intelligence
and Policy Review (OIPR). OIPR is the Justice Department agency in
charge of requesting wiretap and surveillance authority for criminal
and intelligence investigations on behalf of investigative agencies
from the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) court. The
court’s activities are kept secret from the public.



A year after PDD 24, with the new bureaucratic structure loaded with
administration appointees, Gorelick drafted the 1995 memo Attorney
General John Ashcroft mentioned while testifying before the 9/11
Commission. The Gorelick memo, and other supporting memos released in
recent weeks, not only created walls within the intelligence agencies
that prevented information sharing among their own agents, but
effectively walled these agencies off from each other and from outside
contact with the U.S. prosecutors instrumental in helping them gather
the evidence needed to make the case for criminal charges.



The only place left to go with intelligence information – particularly
for efforts to share intelligence information or obtain search
warrants – was straight up Clinton and Gorelick’s multi-tiered chain
of command. Instead, information lethal to the Democratic Party
languished inside the Justice Department, trapped behind Gorelick’s
walls.



The implications were enormous. In her letter of protest to Attorney
General Reno over Gorelick’s memo, United States Attorney Mary Jo
White spelled them out: “These instructions leave entirely to OIPR and
the (Justice Department) Criminal Division when, if ever, to contact
affected U.S. attorneys on investigations including terrorism and
espionage,” White wrote. (Like OIPR, the Criminal Division is also
part of the Justice Department.)



Without an enforcer, the walls might Gorelick’s memo put in place
might not have held. But Scruggs acted as that enforcer, and he
excelled at it. Scruggs maintained Gorelick’s walls between the FBI
and Justice's Criminal Division by threatening to automatically reject
any FBI request for a wiretap or search warrant if the Bureau
contacted the Justice Department's Criminal Division without
permission. This deprived the FBI, and ultimately the CIA, of
gathering advice and assistance from the Criminal Division that was
critical in espionage and terrorist cases.



It is no coincidence that this occurred at the same time both the FBI
and the CIA were churning up evidence damaging to the Democratic
Party, its fundraisers, the Chinese and ultimately the Clinton
administration itself. Between 1994 and the 1996 election, as Chinese
dollars poured into Democratic coffers, Clinton struggled to reopen
high-tech trade to China. Had agents confirmed Chinese theft of
weapons technology or its transfer of weapons technology to nations
like Pakistan, Iran and Syria, Clinton would have been forced by law
and international treaty to react.



Gorelick’s appointment to the job at Justice in 1994 occurred during a
period in which the FBI had begun to systematically investigate
technology theft by foreign powers. For the first time, these
investigations singled out the U.S. chemical, telecommunications,
aircraft and aerospace industries for intelligence collection.



By the time Gorelick wrote the March 1995 memo that sealed off
American intelligence agencies from each other and the outside world,
all of the most critical Chinagate investigations by American
intelligence agencies were already underway. Some of their findings
were damning:



In an investigation originally instigated by the CIA, the FBI was
beginning its search for the source of the leak of W-88 nuclear
warhead technology to China among the more than 1,000 people who had
access to the secrets. Despite Justice Department stonewalling and the
Department’s refusal to seek wiretap authority in 1997, the
investigation eventually led to Wen Ho Lee and the Los Alamos National
Laboratory.
The FBI first collected Extensive evidence in 1995 linking illegal
Democratic Party donations to China, according to the Congressional
Record. But Congress and the Director of the CIA didn’t find out about
the Justice Department’s failure to act upon that evidence until 1997,
safely after the 1996 election.
According to classified CIA documents leaked to the Washington Times,
between 1994 and 1997, the CIA learned that China sold Iran missile
technology, a nuclear fission reactor, advanced air-defense radar and
chemical agents. The Chinese also provided 5,000 ring magnets to
Pakistan, used in producing weapons-grade uranium. The Chinese also
provided uranium fuel for India's reactors.


In many cases the CIA resorting to leaking classified information to
the media, in an effort to bypass the administration’s blackout.



Gorelick knew these facts well. While Clinton may have refused to meet
with top CIA officials, Gorelick didn’t. According to a 1996 report by
the legal news service American Lawyer Media, Gorelick and then-Deputy
Director of the CIA George Tenet met every other week to discuss
intelligence and intelligence sharing.



But those in the Clinton administration weren’t the only ones to gain
from the secrecy. In 1994, the McDonnell Douglas Corporation
transferred military-use machine tools to the China National
Aero-Technology Import and Export Corporation that ended up in the
hands of the Chinese army. The sale occurred despite Defense
Department objections. McDonnell Douglas was a client of the Miller
Cassidy Larroca & Lewin, L.L.P. (now called Baker Botts), the
Washington, D.C., law firm where Gorelick worked for 17 years and was
a partner. Ray Larroca, another partner in the firm, represented
McDonnell in the Justice Department’s investigation of the technology
transfer.



In 1995, General Electric, a former client of Gorelick’s, also had
much to lose if the damaging information the CIA and the FBI had
reached Congress. At the time, GE was publicly lobbying for a
lucrative permit to assist the Chinese in replacing coal-fired power
stations with nuclear plants. A 1990 law required that the president
certify to Congress that China was not aiding in nuclear proliferation
before U.S. companies could execute the business agreement.



Moreover, in 1995, Michael Armstrong, then the CEO of Hughes
Electronics – a division of General Electric and another client of
Miller Cassidy Larroca & Lewin – was publicly lobbying Clinton to
switch satellite export controls from the State Department to the
Commerce Department. After the controls were lifted, Hughes and
another company gave sensitive data to the Chinese, equipment a
Pentagon study later concluded would allow China to develop
intercontinental and submarine-launched ballistic missiles aimed at
American targets. Miller Cassidy Larroca & Lewin partner Randall Turk
represented Hughes in the Congressional, State Department, and Justice
Department investigations that resulted.



The Cox Report, which detailed Chinese espionage for Congress during
the period, revealed that FBI surveillance caught Chinese officials
frantically trying to keep Democratic donor Johnny Chung from
divulging any information that would be damaging to Hughes
Electronics. Chung funneled $300,000 in illegal contributions from the
Chinese military to the DNC between 1994 and 1996.



It was this web of investigations that led Gorelick and Bill Clinton
to erect the wall between intelligence agencies that resulted in the
toppling of the Twin Towers. The connections go on and on, but they
all lead back to Gorelick, the one person who could best explain how
the Clinton administration neutered the American intelligence agencies
that could have stopped the September 11 plot. Yet another high crime
will have been committed if the September 11 Commission doesn’t demand
testimony from her.
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Post by * US *
The discussion focused on Clinton's 1990s fuckups.
Are you deliberately trying to be ignorant?
What fuckups
All I hear from you is bullshit allegations and nutcase propaganda
crap that never passed a laugh test.
unknown
2010-08-16 22:49:36 UTC
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... intelligence...
You wouldn't know.
unknown
2010-08-15 20:15:30 UTC
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Post by F***@peach.net
... Clinton...
December 2001 clinton was out of Office for a year.
PRIOR to Jan 2001---the Republican senate had a LOCK on anything and
blocked everything Clinton attempted to do. Jesse Helms held the
power.
Indeed.
F***@peach.net
2010-08-15 19:42:44 UTC
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Post by * US *
Clinton's failure to grasp the opportunity to unravel increasingly
organized extremists, coupled with Berger's assessments of their
potential to directly threaten the U.S., represents one of the most
serious foreign policy failures in American history.
The GOP congress's failure to allow Clinton a free hand to deal with
the terrorists were consistently blocked.

Even a fuckwit non-thinking like you should take note----

During Clintons term, the public record clearly shows republican
opposition to ALL clinton's initiatives dealing with terrorism and
foriegn problems---from Korea to Serbia.

In Jan 2001----BUSH was apprised of the unfolding rise of
terrorism---and guess what BUSH did?

DO you remember?

Ignored it----and worked on TAX CUTS.

You cannot go back and knock clinton for what Republicans would not
help with---then when Bush ignored it and we got whacked---to then
claim "Clinton did it"

The GOP did NOT help clinton
New Day ... Same Shit
2010-08-15 19:50:08 UTC
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http://clintoncrimes.tripod.com/ClintonsBinLadenGateMotherofallScandals/id4.html

Time Magazine recently printed a story about Clinton handing the
incoming Bush Administration a plan, but quickly that myth was
dispersed. Bush Administration officials denied ever getting any plan
only leaving us to conclude that Time Magazine was being spoon fed by
Clinton toadies. They turned a quick power point presentation with one
section whereby Clarke made a few suggestion into some elaborate plan
and blueprint for going after Al Qaeda. It was a 3 to 5 year roll
back.

Clinton did help the incoming Bush Administration by denying them
transition funds and forcing them to set up an office in Virginia and
run off of donations. Addtionally he looted and then vandalized the
White House. Bush has a plan crafted to eliminate Al Qaeda and did
approve it only days before 9-11 and it unfortunately was too late.

Above is the Smoking Gun. An audio of Bill Clinton admitting clearly
that he rejected his own Administration's preparation for an attack in
1999 or 2000. He offers the typical Clintonesque excuses saying it
simply wouldn't work.


Audio: Clinton Tales


AIM Report #18 - Clinton Tales of Getting Bin Laden

In recent commentaries we talked about how the Clinton administration
had actually helped support Osama bin Ladens al-Qaeda terrorist
organization. This was done partly through support of the Kosovo
Liberation Army, the KLA, in its war against Serbia. The core of the
KLA were radical Muslim Marxists who trafficked in heroin, and were
linked to bin Laden. It was also done, arguably, as a geopolitical
consideration, believing that the Taliban government of Afghanistan
served American interests as a check on Iran.
Clintons actions as president have come under close scrutiny as
journalists and politicians have begun to analyze how the U.S. was so
vulnerable to the September eleventh attacks on the World Trade Center
and the Pentagon. Recent articles by the Associated Press and the
Philadelphia Inquirer have charged that the Clinton administration had
opportunities to eliminate bin Laden, but failed to do so. The
Inquirer article reported that the U.S. had for years both "the
knowledge and capability to kill...bin Laden." It said that American
special forces and CIA operatives had been in Afghanistan, but were
prohibited by the White House from going after him.

Bin Ladens terrorist organization had been linked to the 1993 World
Trade Center bombing, and to the 1998 bombings of the U.S. embassies
in Kenya and Tanzania, for which he was indicted by the U.S.
government. Clinton signed a policy directive authorizing the CIA to
prepare a plan to get him. We attacked one of his camps in Afghanistan
with cruise missiles and reportedly killing some of his supporters.
Our missiles also destroyed an aspirin plant in Sudan owned by a Saudi
businessman. It was targeted because it was believed to be a
chemical-weapons plant owned by bin Laden.

The AP has reported that last December the Pentagon told President
Clinton that they knew the location of bin Laden and could take him
out. But Clinton decided it was too risky, and refused to authorize
such an action. Clinton was asked by Fox News if this was true. He
said it was not true and that his best shot was when he bombed bin
Ladens training camp in 98. Several days later he told the London
Times he had authorized bin Ladens capture or assassination two years
ago, but the intelligence information needed to carry it out was never
available.

Representative Dana Rohrabacher, a Republican from California, charged
in a speech on the House floor on September 17, that the Clinton
administration had secretly informed Pakistan and Saudi Arabia that it
would not try to overthrow the Taliban. He had tried in vain to
persuade the Clinton administration that this was a mistake and that
the U.S. should be supporting the Northern Alliance, which has
succeeded in keeping the Taliban from taking over all of Afghanistan.

Rohrabacher, an authority on Afghanistan, also said that he was going
to see White House officials on September 11 to warn them that the
Talibans assassination of Commander Massoud, the leader of the
Northern Alliance, meant that bin Laden was going to do something so
terrible that retaliation would be required. He was right, but his
warning was too late.

Click above on the audio link to listen to all of the commentary.






Under Clinton, we suffered 6 major attacks that were orchestrated by
Bin Laden.

After the 1993 World Trade Center bombing, which killed six and
injured 1,000; President Clinton promised that those responsible would
be hunted down and punished.

Bill Clinton warned America in his radio address that we should not
overreact to the 1993 WTC bombing. "I would discourage the American
people from overreacting to this," Clinton said.

Bill Clinton treated it as a petty criminal offense even though Bush
41 told him terrorists had declared war on America.

CIA director Woolsey now reveals that he never had a private personal
meeting with Clinton during the first two years of his tenure as head
of the CIA - exactly the key period in investigating the 1993 attack.

Bill Clinton did not visit the WTC towers.

Bill Clinton did not even make a public appearance on national
television.

Bill Clinton tried to stop a reward fund for the capture of terrorists
involved in the attack.

From the time President Clinton took office until May of 1995, a
Presidential Decision Directive, PDD 39, sat in the National Security
Council, in the In Box of one of the officials with no action taken.
The significance of PDD 39 is that it was the document defining what
the missions and roles were of combating terrorism.

Despite what happened at the World Trade Center in 1993, the Clinton
administration did not finally act on [PDD 39] until after the attack
in Oklahoma City.

The only reason for that is because in the two weeks prior to Oklahoma
City, the front page of both Newsweek and Time Magazine carried the
question: 'Is President Clinton Relevant?'

After the 1993 ambush in Somalia, which killed 19 and injured 84;
President Clinton just tucked tail and ran away.

On May 4, 1993, Clinton having taken office in January, U.S. Marine
Lt. Gen. Robert Johnston handed over control of the relief mission to
the UN. "It's all yours," he told the new UN commander, a Turkish
general, as he departed with most of his U.S. troops in tow.

Bill Clinton sent U.S. Army Rangers on a highly risky mission to take
out Aidid. Aidid militia were not Somali but members of bin Laden's Al
Qaeda network, who were deployed in his Mogadishu bases.

Bill Clinton denied the Pentagon a request for armor support.

After botching the whole mission, Clinton pulled out and Bin Laden
took notice of that.

Bill Clinton even gave the target of the mission, Aidid, a marine
guard after the botched mission to capture him.

After the 1995 bombing in Saudi Arabia, which killed five U.S.
military personnel; Clinton promised that those responsible would be
hunted down and punished.

After the 1996 Khobar Towers bombing in Saudi Arabia, which killed 19
and injured 200 U.S. military personnel; Clinton promised that those
responsible would be hunted down and punished.

Bill Clinton cared so little that his own assistant secretary of
state, Dick Holbrooke, had trouble getting him to pay attention to
warnings about the impending attack on the Khobar Towers.

After the Khobar Towers bombing in Saudi Arabia in 1996, Clinton had
Dick Morris take a poll. "We tested 'peacemaker' or 'toughness,'" York
quotes Morris as recalling. The public preferred toughness. "So
Clinton talked tough." But the FBI director, Louis Freeh, became so
exasperated by Clinton's failure to raise the matter with Saudi
officials that he actually asked former President George Bush to do so
instead.

After the 1998 bombing of U.S. embassies in Africa, which killed 224
and injured 5,000; Clinton promised that those responsible would be
hunted down and punished.

Clinton used American tax dollars to pay for the trucks used in the
embassy bombings. (See Below)

The U.S. State Department thwarted an investigation into two suspects
in the Aug. 7. 1998, bombing of the U.S. embassies in Dar es Salaam,
Tanzania and Nairobi, Kenya, which had killed more than 250 people,
including 12 Americans, according to reports from MSNBC news filed on
July 29.

Clinton was more concerned with obstructing justice than doing
anything about such a grave terrorist attack.

After the 2000 bombing of the USS Cole, which killed 17 and injured 39
U.S. sailors; Clinton promised that those responsible would be hunted
down and punished.

Shortly after the bombing of the Cole, Clinton had an opportunity to
take Bin Laden out and refused to. (See Below)

A Pentagon intelligence expert on terrorism in the Persian Gulf has
told Congress that he warned of possible terrorist attacks on U.S.
forces.

Maybe if Clinton had kept his promise and got Bin Laden, 3,000 people
in New York, Washington, D.C., and the Heros of Flight 93 that are now
dead would be alive today and we wouldn't have lost 290 people along
with more than 6,323 people that had been injured on his watch.






Under Clinton, at least three opportunities to have Bin Laden handed
over to the U.S. were rejected inexplicably.

According to the Sunday Times of London, Clinton himself said his
refusal to accept the offer to hand over Bin Laden was the "Biggest
Mistake" of his presidency.

According to anonymous sources in the CIA, Clinton did not want Bin
Laden arrested.

The intelligence officials, both of whom were involved in secret
negotiations between Washington and Khartoum to take bin Laden into
custody, offered the damning accounts to New York's Village Voice.

A U.S. intelligence official, speaking on condition of anonymity, this
week called the Clinton administration's decision to pass up a chance
to arrest Osama bin Laden in 1996 a "disgrace," saying "somebody
didn't want this to happen."

A second intelligence official, also speaking anonymously,
corroborated the charge that there was a deliberate effort to let bin
Laden escape from the Sudan to Afghanistan, saying "somebody let this
slip up."

The second official lamented that the U.S. lost a treasure trove of
intelligence on the elusive al-Qaeda chief when it let him slip away.
"It was not a matter of arresting bin Laden but of access to
information," he told the Voice.

The first instance they cite was Sudans offer to extradite bin Laden
in 1996. The Clinton administration turned them down, saying there
wasnt enough evidence to convict him in an American court. Originally
this was denied by administration officials, but according to the
Times, senior sources from within the administration now confirm it
was true. In the January issue of Vanity Fair magazine, former
ambassador to Sudan, Timothy Carney, confirmed it, saying it had
serious implications regarding the U.S. embassy bombings in 1998, and
that "the U.S. lost access to a mine of material on bin Laden and his
organization."

The second offer the Times article details involved Mansoor Ijaz, a
Pakistani-American who contributed to Clintons presidential campaign
and served as a go-between for the administration and various powers
in the Middle East. Ijaz presented an exchange of e-mails as evidence
to prove that he had in fact met with Clinton officials and
intelligence officers from the United Arab Emirates, who were offering
to help to deliver bin Laden to the U.S. Ijaz says the deal was blown
when Clinton sent his top counterterrorism adviser to meet the Arab
leaders directly rather than continue to go through back channels.

The third offer, described as mysterious, was said to come from Saudi
Arabian intelligence agencies. It was said to involve putting a
tracking device in the luggage of bin Ladens mother during a visit to
her son in Afghanistan, but it too was turned down. Richard Shelby,
the highest ranking Republican on the Senate Intelligence committee,
said he was aware of a Saudi offer to help, but was not able to talk
about the specifics.






Under Clinton, there were several opportunities to take out Bin Laden,
but her refused to authorize them.

Shortly after September 11th, articles by the AP and the Philadelphia
Inquirer charged that the Clinton administration had chances to take
out bin Laden, but refused to authorize it.

In the waning days of the Clinton presidency, senior officials
received specific intelligence about the whereabouts of Osama bin
Laden and weighed a military plan to strike the suspected terrorist
mastermind's location. The administration ultimately opted against an
attack.

The information spurred a high-level debate inside the White House in
December 2000 about whether the classified information provided the
last best chance for President Clinton to punish bin Laden before he
left office, the officials said.

"There were a couple of points, including in December, where there was
intelligence indicative of bin Laden's whereabouts. But I can
categorically tell you that at no point was it ripe enough to act,"
former National Security Adviser Sandy Berger told The Associated
Press.

In May 1996, the Sudanese capitulated to U.S. pressure and asked Bin
Laden to leave, despite their feeling that he could be monitored
better in Sudan than elsewhere.

Another golden opportunity to eliminate Bin Laden was after he had
been expelled from Sudan. He flew in a plane to Afghanistan and his
plane could have easily been taken out.

Former Yugoslav President Slobodan Milosevic told the U.N. tribunal
Tuesday that Osama bin Laden was in Albania in 2000 and that the
Clinton Administration had discussed it with him.






And still, Clinton lies and says his 1998 'Wag the Dog' move firing
cruise misiles at an aspirin factory and 14 dollar tents, was the
"best chance" we had to get Bin Laden.

On Aug. 20, 1998, three days after half-confessing to lying about
Monica Lewinsky and the day she testified before a federal grand jury,
former President Clinton declared bin Laden the world's most dangerous
terrorist.

Bill Clinton has made a series of public statements claiming his
administration came close to killing bin Laden during a cruise-missile
raid in 1998.
Touring the rubble of lower Manhattan on September 13, Clinton said,
"The best shot we had at him was when I bombed his training camps in
1998. We just missed him by a matter of hours, maybe even less than an
hour."

A few days later, on NBC, Clinton said, "We had quite good
intelligence that he and his top lieutenants would be in his training
camp. So I ordered the cruise-missile attacks, and we didn't tell
anybody, including the Pakistanis, whose airspace we had to travel
over, until the last minute. And unfortunately we missed them,
apparently not by very long....We never had another chance where the
intelligence was as reliable to justify military action."

But one of Clinton's top military commanders, who was deeply involved
in the Afghanistan operation, has a different recollection. In an
interview with National Review Online, retired general Anthony Zinni,
commander of U.S. forces in the region at the time, described the 1998
cruise-missile raid as a "million-to-one-shot."

"There was a possibility [bin Laden] could have been there," Zinni
recalls. "My intelligence people did not put a lot of faith in
that....As I was given this mission to do, I did not see that anyone
had any degree of assurance or reliability that that was going to
happen."

George W. Bush has made it clear he sees the action as a model of how
not to strike back at terrorism. "When I take action, I'm not going to
fire a $2 million missile at a $10 empty tent and hit a camel in the
butt," Bush reportedly told a group of senators. "It's going to be
decisive."

Refer to above for even more damaging facts that Clinton was offered
Bin Laden on a platter silver platter at least three times and had
several opportunities to take out Bin Laden and refused to do so.

Also, Clinton ordered the military to pump as many as 20 Tomahawk
missiles into what he said was a chemical-weapons plant in Sudan
financed by bin Laden. It turned out to be a pill plant owned by a
Saudi businessman to whom the administration later had to pay $1
million in interest for seizing his plant.

Intelligence officials at the time expressed reservations about
including the plant on the target list. Clinton picked the target
himself.

"Clinton knew it wouldn't work in Afghanistan. It was a public-affairs
move," the Pentagon official said, arguing that bombing is an
extremely unreliable way to destroy a terrorist cell or assassinate
its leader. "If he hit him [bin Laden], he would have been lucky."

The mission, which used some 80 missiles at a price of about $750,000
apiece.






Under Clinton, we found that he supported Bin Laden and his network.

Bill Clinton's IRS pursued his personal enemies with great enthusiasm
- auditing Billy Dale, Gennifer Flowers, Paula Jones, Juanita
Broaddrick and dozens more - America's enemies, it seems, got a free
pass from the same agency.

At least 16 U.S.-based non-profit entities have been linked
financially to bin Laden.

The Islamic African Relief Agency (IARA), has been directly linked to
earlier attacks on U.S. interests by bin Laden.

IARA reportedly transferred money to Mercy International, another
non-profit Muslim organization that purchased vehicles used by Osama
bin Laden to bomb the U.S. embassies in both Kenya and Tanzania on
August 8, 1998.

The Clinton State Department showered the IARA with $4.2 million in
grants.

The Clinton administration shut down a 1995 investigation of Islamic
charities, concerned that a public probe would expose Saudi Arabia's
suspected ties to a global money-laundering operation that raised
millions for anti-Israel terrorists, federal officials told The
Washington Times.

Bill Clinton's abuse of the military that included bombing Yugoslavia
to distract from the scandals, China-gate and the rape of Juanita
Broaddrick, strengthened Bin Ladens terrorist movement and its
position in the Balkans and actually involved the U.S. allying itself
with Bin Laden's KLA, which is a faction of Al Qaeda.

A story by Jerry Seper in the Washington Times on May 4, 1999,
reported, "Some members of the Kosovo Liberation Army, which has
financed its war effort through the sale of heroin, were trained in
terrorist camps run by international fugitive Osama bin Ladenwho is
wanted in the 1998 bombing of two U.S. embassies in Africa that killed
224 persons, including 12 Americans."

Seper said that newly obtained intelligence reports showed that the
KLA had enlisted Islamic terrorists in its conflict with Serbia and
that bin Laden's organization, known as al-Qaeda, had both trained and
financially supported the KLA, which had been labeled a terrorist
group by a Clinton State Department official.

President Clinton incubated the Taliban regime in Afghanistan for at
least three years, despite the fact that it was harboring Osama bin
Laden, was responsible for growing 60 percent of the world's heroin
and denied basic human rights to the nation.

Rep. Dana Rohrabacher, R-Calif., says he was belittled, stonewalled
and ridiculed for three years for asserting the congressional
oversight role in the formulation of foreign policy toward Afghanistan
during the last term of the Clinton administration.

Using his seat on the House International Affairs Committee,
Rohrabacher attempted, he says, for several years to secure
communiqués, cables and other State Department documents that would
reveal what was behind U.S. policy toward Kabul. He says he and his
committee were "stonewalled" and "belittled" in all their attempts.

According to Rohrabacher, the Clinton administration played a role in
creating the Taliban by giving a 'green light' to Pakistan, Saudi
Arabia, and other gulf states to fund, direct, and organize the
Taliban.

Rohrabacher said at one point on the house floor in a Sept. 17th
[1999] speech that the Clinton administration promised Pakistan and
Saudi Arabia that it wouldnt overthrow the Taliban according to the
UPI.

Robin Raphel, Clinton's assistant secretary of state for south Asia
affairs until mid-1997, is believed to be instrumental in the rise of
the Taliban.

One report suggested that several Islamic states expressed the belief
that Raphel and other U.S. officials along with Afghans in the U.S.
were on the payroll of Unocal's payroll. They cite that she provided a
fiery defense of Unocal and especially the Taliban in negotiations
with the Afghanistan government.

During such an encounter, Raphel's words -- in effect asking the
government to 'give it up."

Read more about Clinton being Pro-Taliban here.

A secret deal between the Clinton administration and terrorists linked
with Osama bin Laden led directly to the senseless slaughter of some
70 West European tourists and the wounding of hundreds, according to a
book written by a former congressional terrorism expert.

According to Yossef Bodansky, author of "Bin Laden: The Man Who
Declared War on America," a Central Intelligence Agency operative
dealing with Islamic terrorists on matters of security for the U.S.
forces in Bosnia-Herzegovina led them to believe President Clinton
would look the other way at attempts to overthrow Egypt's Hosni
Mubarak.

"If senior Islamicist terrorist leaders are to be believed, the
Clinton administration was willing to tolerate the overthrow of the
Mubarak government in Egypt and the establishment of an Islamist state
in its stead as an acceptable price for reducing the terrorist threat
to U.S. forces in Bosnia-Herzegovina," states the 1999 book, which has
been rushed into a new printing.

The tradeoff was reportedly raised in discussions between Egyptian
terrorist leader Ayman al-Zawahiri Osama bin Laden's right-hand man
and an Arab-American, Abu-Umar al-Amriki, known as a CIA emissary.

In that attack, terrorists wielding machine guns and knives massacred
nearly 70 tourists, most of them Swiss. For about 45 minutes, the
attackers mowed down unarmed, unsuspecting tourists in an attempt to
show the world that visitors were not safe in Mubarak's Egypt.

In addition to leading to the attack on the tourists, Bodansky writes,
the secret deal between the Clinton administration and the bin Laden
terrorist cell drove Mubarak into de facto cooperation with the
Islamist terror-sponsoring states against the United States. Shortly
afterwards, early in 1998, Egypt withheld support for the use of force
by the U.S. against Iraq.

The Clinton-Reno Justice Department refused to allow two veteran FBI
agents assigned to the anti-terrorist probe to investigate a key
figure tied to Osama bin Laden.

According to ABC News correspondent Brian Ross today, the two agents
told him they were ordered to stop investigations into a suspected
terror cell linked to Osama bin Laden's al-Qaeda network and the Sept.
11 attacks.

FBI special agents Robert Wright and John Vincent told Ross they were
called off criminal investigations of suspected terrorists linked to
the deadly bombings of two U.S. embassies in Africa. U.S. officials
say al-Qaeda was responsible for the embassy attacks and the Sept. 11,
2001, attacks in the United States.

"September the 11th is a direct result of the incompetence of the
FBI's International Terrorism Unit. No doubt about that. Absolutely no
doubt about that," Wright said. "You can't know the things I know and
not go public."

Noting that, with growing terrorism in the Middle East in the
mid-1990s, Wright and Vincent, then based in Chicago, were assigned to
track a connection to a suspected terrorist cell that would later lead
them to a link with Osama bin Laden. Wright told Ross that when he
pressed for authorization to open a criminal investigation into the
money trail, his supervisor stopped him.

Represented by Judicial Watch and former lead House impeachment
counsel David Schippers, agents Wright and Vincent have filed suit
against the Justice Department over the episode.





Under Clinton, Warnings about terrorist attacks were ignored.
CIA Director George Tenet refused on Wednesday to permit the
House-Senate Select Committee probe into the 9/11 attacks to release
information about intelligence briefings to the White House on
terrorist activities, including whether the president was briefed on
plots to use hijacked airliners as weapons.
Tenet's directive would cover whatever President Clinton was told
about a 1998 plan to load an airliner with explosives and crash it
into the World Trade Center.

"The director of central intelligence has declined to declassify two
issues of particular importance to this inquiry," Eleanor Hill, staff
director for the committee, told the panel.

"References to the intelligence community providing information to the
president or White House" would remain classified, Hill testified
during Wednesday's open hearing.

"According to [Tenet], the president's knowledge of intelligence
information relevant to this inquiry remains classified even when the
substance of intelligence information has been declassified," she
explained.

The identity of and information on a key al-Qaeda leader involved in
the Sept. 11 attacks would also stay classified, the committee
director said.

The classified information would include news of whether
then-President Clinton was tipped off about the 1998 plot involving
what Hill said was a "group of unidentified Arabs [who] planned to fly
an explosive-laden plane from a foreign country into the World Trade
Center."

The hijacking tip was given to the Federal Aviation Administration and
FBI. Neither agency acted on it. The mysterious Arab group may now be
linked to bin Laden, Hill said.

The 1998 terrorist plot to use airliners as flying bombs was one of 12
similar plans outlined by Hill that were uncovered by investigators
from 1994 through 2001.



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STRONGER ANTI-TERRORISM POLICY," available here.
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available here.
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Post by * US *
Clinton's failure to grasp the opportunity to unravel increasingly
organized extremists, coupled with Berger's assessments of their
potential to directly threaten the U.S., represents one of the most
serious foreign policy failures in American history.
The GOP congress's failure to allow Clinton a free hand to deal with
the terrorists were consistently blocked.
Even a fuckwit non-thinking like you should take note----
During Clintons term, the public record clearly shows republican
opposition to ALL clinton's initiatives dealing with terrorism and
foriegn problems---from Korea to Serbia.
In Jan 2001----BUSH was apprised of the unfolding rise of
terrorism---and guess what BUSH did?
DO you remember?
Ignored it----and worked on TAX CUTS.
You cannot go back and knock clinton for what Republicans would not
help with---then when Bush ignored it and we got whacked---to then
claim "Clinton did it"
The GOP did NOT help clinton
unknown
2010-08-15 20:18:52 UTC
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... about Clinton ...
You're so jealous.
F***@peach.net
2010-08-15 23:54:07 UTC
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Post by New Day ... Same Shit
Bush has a plan crafted to eliminate Al Qaeda and did
approve it only days before 9-11 and it unfortunately was too late.
BUsh was president and the GOP had congress since 1994

If the knock against clinton was that "he did nothing", "ignored
(insert litany here)...", then why didn't bush IMMEDIATELY take action
on Jan 20th, MONTHS before the attact on 9-11, to do what YOU claim
the GOP knew Clinton was derelict in doing?

HMMM?
unknown
2010-08-16 00:11:23 UTC
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Post by F***@peach.net
Post by New Day ... Same Shit
Bush has a plan crafted to eliminate Al Qaeda and did
approve it only days before 9-11 and it unfortunately was too late.
BUsh was president and the GOP had congress since 1994
If the knock against clinton was that "he did nothing", "ignored
(insert litany here)...", then why didn't bush IMMEDIATELY take action
on Jan 20th, MONTHS before the attact on 9-11, to do what YOU claim
the GOP knew Clinton was derelict in doing?
HMMM?
Bush did less than nothing about the threat.

In fact, he did all he could to make sure 9/11 would happen.
* US *
2010-08-16 00:58:10 UTC
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Clinton almost certainly lied about his bin Laden warning.



What warning? That's what head-scratching Bush-administration
officials were wondering after Bill Clinton said a week or so ago that
he had warned incoming President George W. Bush about the threat from
Osama bin Laden.

According to Clinton's account, he tried to convince Bush to abandon
his other national-security priorities to focus on al Qaeda during an
"exit interview" with the newly elected president. "In his campaign,
Bush had said he thought the biggest security issue was Iraq and
national missile defense," Clinton remarked. "I told him that in my
opinion, the biggest security problem was Osama bin Laden." Clinton
maintained that his inability to budge Bush was "one of the two or
three of the biggest disappointments that I had."

This is almost certainly a lie. A Bush official familiar with the
meeting and its content says it focused on other foreign and domestic
matters. According to the official, if al Qaeda came up at all, it was
in passing as President Clinton lobbied Bush on other matters, most
importantly North Korea.

Clinton thought it was crucial that Bush maintain his administration's
soft-touch approach to North Korea even though — as we would learn
soon enough — Pyongyang had already made a mockery of Clinton's 1994
Agreed Framework by starting a secret nuclear program. Clinton also
made pleas for his pet domestic programs.

The Clinton misstatement of his posture in that "exit interview" is
part of the attempted revisionism by the Clinton team of its terrorism
record (which I dissect in my new book Legacy). This effort reached
its previous height in a Time magazine cover story in August 2002 that
reported that there was a Clinton "plan" to fight al Qaeda that was
passed along to the Bush team.

This too proved false. A former Clinton official told NR's Byron York
after the Time report: "It was certainly not a formal war plan. We
wouldn't have characterized it as a formal war plan." In testimony
before Congress, former Clinton national-security adviser Sandy Berger
said the same thing: "There was no war plan that we turned over to the
Bush administration during the transition. And the reports of that are
just incorrect."

In any case, Clinton's "plan" now is to find every opportunity to try
to divert attention from his failures in the war on terror. Consider
yourself warned . . .
Post by F***@peach.net
Post by New Day ... Same Shit
Bush has a plan crafted to eliminate Al Qaeda and did
approve it only days before 9-11 and it unfortunately was too late.
BUsh was president and the GOP had congress since 1994
If the knock against clinton was that "he did nothing", "ignored
(insert litany here)...", then why didn't bush IMMEDIATELY take action
on Jan 20th, MONTHS before the attact on 9-11, to do what YOU claim
the GOP knew Clinton was derelict in doing?
HMMM?
Clave
2010-08-16 01:09:54 UTC
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Clinton almost certainly lied about his bin Laden warning.
What utter horseshit.

But, given the magnitude of the consequences of Bush's utter failure to deal
with the threat, it's no wonder the GOP feels the need to rewrite history.

History like this:

The Clinton administration poured more than a billion
dollars into counterterrorism activities across the
entire spectrum of the intelligence community, into
the protection of critical infrastructure, into massive
federal stockpiling of antidotes and vaccines to
prepare for a possible bioterror attack, into a
reorganization of the intelligence community itself.
Within the National Security Council, "threat meetings"
were held three times a week to assess looming
conspiracies. His National Security Advisor, Sandy
Berger, prepared a voluminous dossier on al-Qaeda and
Osama bin Laden, actively tracking them across the
planet. Clinton raised the issue of terrorism in
virtually every important speech he gave in the last
three years of his tenure.

Clinton's dire public warnings about the threat posed
by terrorism, and the actions taken to thwart it, went
completely unreported by the media, which was far more
concerned with stained dresses and baseless Drudge
Report rumors. When the administration did act militarily
against bin Laden and his terrorist network, the actions
were dismissed by partisans within the media and Congress
as scandalous "wag the dog" tactics. The news networks
actually broadcast clips of the movie "Wag the Dog" while
reporting on his warnings, to accentuate the idea that
everything the administration said was contrived fakery.

In Congress, Clinton was thwarted by the reactionary
conservative majority in virtually every attempt he made
to pass legislation that would attack al-Qaeda and
terrorism. His 1996 omnibus terror bill, which included
many of the anti-terror measures we now take for granted
after September 11, was withered almost to the point of
uselessness by attacks from the right; Senators Jesse
Helms and Trent Lott were openly dismissive of the
threats Clinton spoke of.

Specifically, Clinton wanted to attack the financial
underpinnings of the al-Qaeda network by banning American
companies and individuals from dealing with foreign banks
and financial institutions that al-Qaeda was using for
its money-laundering operations. Texas Senator Phil Gramm,
chairman of the Banking Committee, gutted the portions of
Clinton's bill dealing with this matter, calling them
"totalitarian."

In fact, Gramm was compelled to kill the bill because his
most devoted patrons, the Enron Corporation and its
criminal executives in Houston, were using those same
terrorist financial networks to launder their own dirty
money and rip off the Enron stockholders. It should also
be noted that Gramm's wife, Wendy, sat on the Enron Board
of Directors.

http://www.truth-out.org/article/clinton-911-and-facts
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2010-08-16 01:16:52 UTC
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Bill Clinton got off way too easily when discussing the failures of
pre-9/11 intelligence gathering and our lack of response when
repeatedly provoked. Yes, we were attacked prior to Clinton entering
office.


The kidnapping of our hostages in Iran and the Hezbollah attack in
Beirut are but two glaring examples of pre-al-Qaida terror. The
hostage taking was a nadir for our country and Jimmy Carter did not
have the nerve or the military to respond. Ronald Reagan also did not
respond to the attack that killed 240 Marines and others in Beirut,
but at the time we were in the middle of a civil war and we had no
idea which side was which and who our friends were and who were our
enemies.

The attacks against our interests and military in the 1990's were a
different story altogether. From Mogadishu to the first World Trade
Center Bombing to he African embassy bombings to the Khobar Towers to
finally a direct attack on a U.S. warship -- the USS Cole -- and still
we did almost nothing. We said to Osama bin-Laden "attack, we won't
respond" and he was emboldened enough to first allow planning for the
Millenium bombings and the Bojinka plane bombings (both luckily
stopped by heads-up policewomen) while funding the attacks on the WTC
and Pentagon.

Now Michael Isikoff writes that Clinton lied on Fox during that
finger-pointing charade with Chris Wallace:
The report also criticized intelligence problems when Bill Clinton was
president, detailing political and legal "constraints" agency
officials felt in the late 1990s. In September 2006, during a famous
encounter with Fox News anchor Wallace, Clinton erupted in anger and
waived his finger when asked about whether his administration had done
enough to get bin Laden. "What did I do? What did I do?" Clinton said
at one point. "I worked hard to try to kill him. I authorized a
finding for the CIA to kill him. We contracted with people to kill
him. I got closer to killing him than anybody has gotten since."

Clinton appeared to have been referring to a December 1999 Memorandum
of Notification (MON) he signed that authorized the CIA to use lethal
force to capture, not kill, bin Laden. But the inspector general's
report made it clear that the agency never viewed the order as a
license to "kill" bin Laden-one reason it never mounted more effective
operations against him. "The restrictions in the authorities given the
CIA with respect to bin Laden, while arguably, although ambiguously,
relaxed for a period of time in late 1998 and early 1999, limited the
range of permissible operations," the report stated. (Scheuer agreed
with the inspector general's findings on this issue, but said if
anything the report was overly diplomatic. "There was never any
ambiguity," he said. "None of those authorities ever allowed us to
kill anyone. At least that's what the CIA lawyers told us." A
spokesman for the former president had no immediate comment.)

So, in effect, we just were treated to more Clinton spin. Note that
the darling of the left, Michael Scheuer, makes perfectly clear that
Clinton flat out lied while being interviewed by Wallace. There was
never an order to kill Osama bin Laden and Clinton knew it when he was
being interviewed. Instead he proceeded to make a big show and got
major kudos for putting that Fox interviewer in his place. It was all
a sham, which those of us who actually viewed Clinton with a realistic
eye during the nineties knew from the start. I can see the Clinton
team forming their response: "It depends on what the definition of
"kill" means".

This only makes me bring up the question again: What did Sandy Berger
shove in his pants and steal from the National Archives that he and
Clinton didn't want the 9/11 Commission to see? Clinton had to know
this report would eventually be released and he would be proven wrong
once again. Surprisingly, he did have a comment, which means that the
Clinton spin machine is triangulating something or looking for someone
else to scapegoat as has been their M.O. for years.

As I've said before, 9/11 was not President Clinton's fault and it was
not President Bush's fault. It was the fault of a terror network that
used our freedoms against us. I do blame Clinton for destroying a
military and an intelligence entity that could have prevented the
attack from occurring had they been given the leadership and the tools
needed. Sadly, the Clinton administration had people such as 9/11
Commission member Jamie Gorelick who hamstrung the intel agencies and
contributed to our deep weaknesses.



On Sun, 15 Aug 2010 18:09:54 -0700, "Clave"
Post by Clave
Post by * US *
Clinton almost certainly lied about his bin Laden warning.
What utter horseshit.
But, given the magnitude of the consequences of Bush's utter failure to deal
with the threat, it's no wonder the GOP feels the need to rewrite history.
The Clinton administration poured more than a billion
dollars into counterterrorism activities across the
entire spectrum of the intelligence community, into
the protection of critical infrastructure, into massive
federal stockpiling of antidotes and vaccines to
prepare for a possible bioterror attack, into a
reorganization of the intelligence community itself.
Within the National Security Council, "threat meetings"
were held three times a week to assess looming
conspiracies. His National Security Advisor, Sandy
Berger, prepared a voluminous dossier on al-Qaeda and
Osama bin Laden, actively tracking them across the
planet. Clinton raised the issue of terrorism in
virtually every important speech he gave in the last
three years of his tenure.
Clinton's dire public warnings about the threat posed
by terrorism, and the actions taken to thwart it, went
completely unreported by the media, which was far more
concerned with stained dresses and baseless Drudge
Report rumors. When the administration did act militarily
against bin Laden and his terrorist network, the actions
were dismissed by partisans within the media and Congress
as scandalous "wag the dog" tactics. The news networks
actually broadcast clips of the movie "Wag the Dog" while
reporting on his warnings, to accentuate the idea that
everything the administration said was contrived fakery.
In Congress, Clinton was thwarted by the reactionary
conservative majority in virtually every attempt he made
to pass legislation that would attack al-Qaeda and
terrorism. His 1996 omnibus terror bill, which included
many of the anti-terror measures we now take for granted
after September 11, was withered almost to the point of
uselessness by attacks from the right; Senators Jesse
Helms and Trent Lott were openly dismissive of the
threats Clinton spoke of.
Specifically, Clinton wanted to attack the financial
underpinnings of the al-Qaeda network by banning American
companies and individuals from dealing with foreign banks
and financial institutions that al-Qaeda was using for
its money-laundering operations. Texas Senator Phil Gramm,
chairman of the Banking Committee, gutted the portions of
Clinton's bill dealing with this matter, calling them
"totalitarian."
In fact, Gramm was compelled to kill the bill because his
most devoted patrons, the Enron Corporation and its
criminal executives in Houston, were using those same
terrorist financial networks to launder their own dirty
money and rip off the Enron stockholders. It should also
be noted that Gramm's wife, Wendy, sat on the Enron Board
of Directors.
http://www.truth-out.org/article/clinton-911-and-facts
unknown
2010-08-16 01:31:22 UTC
Permalink
Bill Clinton got off...
You're so jealous.
F***@peach.net
2010-08-16 03:53:00 UTC
Permalink
Post by * US *
Bill Clinton got off way too easily when discussing the failures of
pre-9/11 intelligence gathering and our lack of response when
repeatedly provoked. Yes, we were attacked prior to Clinton entering
office.
The kidnapping of our hostages in Iran and the Hezbollah attack in
Beirut are but two glaring examples of pre-al-Qaida terror.
HEre we go again

Clinton was hampered by; a) the law, and b) Jesse helms and the GOP
refusing ANY/ALL assistance in dealing with terorrism

Helms AND the republicans (in the 90's) see global terrorism as a
problem. If they did, and denied Clinton power to deal with it---then
THEY are traitors using political advantage to the detriment of the
Nation

If the republicans were simply ignorant of global terrorism, then THEY
are as much to blame as Clinton for not using THEIR legislative
investigative and law-making power to do something about it

You're arguments are simply fucked

BUsh was told and while RIce posed for photo-ops (being a GOP
appointed black), Bush spent his time working on fucking TAX CUTS.
unknown
2010-08-16 09:16:30 UTC
Permalink
Post by F***@peach.net
Bill Clinton ...
HEre we go again
Clinton was hampered by; a) the law, and b) Jesse helms and the GOP
refusing ANY/ALL assistance in dealing with terorrism
Helms AND the republicans (in the 90's) see global terrorism as a
problem. If they did, and denied Clinton power to deal with it---then
THEY are traitors using political advantage to the detriment of the
Nation
If the republicans were simply ignorant of global terrorism, then THEY
are as much to blame as Clinton for not using THEIR legislative
investigative and law-making power to do something about it
You're arguments are simply fucked
BUsh was told and while RIce posed for photo-ops (being a GOP
appointed black), Bush spent his time working on fucking TAX CUTS.
Good work.
* US *
2010-08-16 12:20:12 UTC
Permalink
Clinton almost certainly lied about his bin Laden warning.



What warning? That's what head-scratching Bush-administration
officials were wondering after Bill Clinton said a week or so ago that
he had warned incoming President George W. Bush about the threat from
Osama bin Laden.

According to Clinton's account, he tried to convince Bush to abandon
his other national-security priorities to focus on al Qaeda during an
"exit interview" with the newly elected president. "In his campaign,
Bush had said he thought the biggest security issue was Iraq and
national missile defense," Clinton remarked. "I told him that in my
opinion, the biggest security problem was Osama bin Laden." Clinton
maintained that his inability to budge Bush was "one of the two or
three of the biggest disappointments that I had."

This is almost certainly a lie. A Bush official familiar with the
meeting and its content says it focused on other foreign and domestic
matters. According to the official, if al Qaeda came up at all, it was
in passing as President Clinton lobbied Bush on other matters, most
importantly North Korea.

Clinton thought it was crucial that Bush maintain his administration's
soft-touch approach to North Korea even though — as we would learn
soon enough — Pyongyang had already made a mockery of Clinton's 1994
Agreed Framework by starting a secret nuclear program. Clinton also
made pleas for his pet domestic programs.

The Clinton misstatement of his posture in that "exit interview" is
part of the attempted revisionism by the Clinton team of its terrorism
record (which I dissect in my new book Legacy). This effort reached
its previous height in a Time magazine cover story in August 2002 that
reported that there was a Clinton "plan" to fight al Qaeda that was
passed along to the Bush team.

This too proved false. A former Clinton official told NR's Byron York
after the Time report: "It was certainly not a formal war plan. We
wouldn't have characterized it as a formal war plan." In testimony
before Congress, former Clinton national-security adviser Sandy Berger
said the same thing: "There was no war plan that we turned over to the
Bush administration during the transition. And the reports of that are
just incorrect."

In any case, Clinton's "plan" now is to find every opportunity to try
to divert attention from his failures in the war on terror. Consider
yourself warned . . .
Post by F***@peach.net
Post by * US *
Bill Clinton got off way too easily when discussing the failures of
pre-9/11 intelligence gathering and our lack of response when
repeatedly provoked. Yes, we were attacked prior to Clinton entering
office.
The kidnapping of our hostages in Iran and the Hezbollah attack in
Beirut are but two glaring examples of pre-al-Qaida terror.
HEre we go again
Clinton was hampered by; a) the law, and b) Jesse helms and the GOP
refusing ANY/ALL assistance in dealing with terorrism
Helms AND the republicans (in the 90's) see global terrorism as a
problem. If they did, and denied Clinton power to deal with it---then
THEY are traitors using political advantage to the detriment of the
Nation
If the republicans were simply ignorant of global terrorism, then THEY
are as much to blame as Clinton for not using THEIR legislative
investigative and law-making power to do something about it
You're arguments are simply fucked
BUsh was told and while RIce posed for photo-ops (being a GOP
appointed black), Bush spent his time working on fucking TAX CUTS.
unknown
2010-08-16 22:49:24 UTC
Permalink
... lied ...
Bush and Cheney lied about 9/11.
Clave
2010-08-17 00:52:33 UTC
Permalink
Post by * US *
Clinton almost certainly lied about his bin Laden warning.
What utter horseshit.

But, given the magnitude of the consequences of Bush's utter failure to deal
with the threat, it's no wonder the GOP feels the need to rewrite history.

History like this:

The Clinton administration poured more than a billion
dollars into counterterrorism activities across the
entire spectrum of the intelligence community, into
the protection of critical infrastructure, into massive
federal stockpiling of antidotes and vaccines to
prepare for a possible bioterror attack, into a
reorganization of the intelligence community itself.
Within the National Security Council, "threat meetings"
were held three times a week to assess looming
conspiracies. His National Security Advisor, Sandy
Berger, prepared a voluminous dossier on al-Qaeda and
Osama bin Laden, actively tracking them across the
planet. Clinton raised the issue of terrorism in
virtually every important speech he gave in the last
three years of his tenure.

Clinton's dire public warnings about the threat posed
by terrorism, and the actions taken to thwart it, went
completely unreported by the media, which was far more
concerned with stained dresses and baseless Drudge
Report rumors. When the administration did act militarily
against bin Laden and his terrorist network, the actions
were dismissed by partisans within the media and Congress
as scandalous "wag the dog" tactics. The news networks
actually broadcast clips of the movie "Wag the Dog" while
reporting on his warnings, to accentuate the idea that
everything the administration said was contrived fakery.

In Congress, Clinton was thwarted by the reactionary
conservative majority in virtually every attempt he made
to pass legislation that would attack al-Qaeda and
terrorism. His 1996 omnibus terror bill, which included
many of the anti-terror measures we now take for granted
after September 11, was withered almost to the point of
uselessness by attacks from the right; Senators Jesse
Helms and Trent Lott were openly dismissive of the
threats Clinton spoke of.

Specifically, Clinton wanted to attack the financial
underpinnings of the al-Qaeda network by banning American
companies and individuals from dealing with foreign banks
and financial institutions that al-Qaeda was using for
its money-laundering operations. Texas Senator Phil Gramm,
chairman of the Banking Committee, gutted the portions of
Clinton's bill dealing with this matter, calling them
"totalitarian."

In fact, Gramm was compelled to kill the bill because his
most devoted patrons, the Enron Corporation and its
criminal executives in Houston, were using those same
terrorist financial networks to launder their own dirty
money and rip off the Enron stockholders. It should also
be noted that Gramm's wife, Wendy, sat on the Enron Board
of Directors.

http://www.truth-out.org/article/clinton-911-and-facts
--
Well, shit, you confused me. More than normal
-- Beldin
* US *
2010-08-17 01:20:42 UTC
Permalink
Bill Clinton got off way too easily when discussing the failures of
pre-9/11 intelligence gathering and our lack of response when
repeatedly provoked. Yes, we were attacked prior to Clinton entering
office.


The kidnapping of our hostages in Iran and the Hezbollah attack in
Beirut are but two glaring examples of pre-al-Qaida terror. The
hostage taking was a nadir for our country and Jimmy Carter did not
have the nerve or the military to respond. Ronald Reagan also did not
respond to the attack that killed 240 Marines and others in Beirut,
but at the time we were in the middle of a civil war and we had no
idea which side was which and who our friends were and who were our
enemies.

The attacks against our interests and military in the 1990's were a
different story altogether. From Mogadishu to the first World Trade
Center Bombing to he African embassy bombings to the Khobar Towers to
finally a direct attack on a U.S. warship -- the USS Cole -- and still
we did almost nothing. We said to Osama bin-Laden "attack, we won't
respond" and he was emboldened enough to first allow planning for the
Millenium bombings and the Bojinka plane bombings (both luckily
stopped by heads-up policewomen) while funding the attacks on the WTC
and Pentagon.

Now Michael Isikoff writes that Clinton lied on Fox during that
finger-pointing charade with Chris Wallace:
The report also criticized intelligence problems when Bill Clinton was
president, detailing political and legal "constraints" agency
officials felt in the late 1990s. In September 2006, during a famous
encounter with Fox News anchor Wallace, Clinton erupted in anger and
waived his finger when asked about whether his administration had done
enough to get bin Laden. "What did I do? What did I do?" Clinton said
at one point. "I worked hard to try to kill him. I authorized a
finding for the CIA to kill him. We contracted with people to kill
him. I got closer to killing him than anybody has gotten since."

Clinton appeared to have been referring to a December 1999 Memorandum
of Notification (MON) he signed that authorized the CIA to use lethal
force to capture, not kill, bin Laden. But the inspector general's
report made it clear that the agency never viewed the order as a
license to "kill" bin Laden-one reason it never mounted more effective
operations against him. "The restrictions in the authorities given the
CIA with respect to bin Laden, while arguably, although ambiguously,
relaxed for a period of time in late 1998 and early 1999, limited the
range of permissible operations," the report stated. (Scheuer agreed
with the inspector general's findings on this issue, but said if
anything the report was overly diplomatic. "There was never any
ambiguity," he said. "None of those authorities ever allowed us to
kill anyone. At least that's what the CIA lawyers told us." A
spokesman for the former president had no immediate comment.)

So, in effect, we just were treated to more Clinton spin. Note that
the darling of the left, Michael Scheuer, makes perfectly clear that
Clinton flat out lied while being interviewed by Wallace. There was
never an order to kill Osama bin Laden and Clinton knew it when he was
being interviewed. Instead he proceeded to make a big show and got
major kudos for putting that Fox interviewer in his place. It was all
a sham, which those of us who actually viewed Clinton with a realistic
eye during the nineties knew from the start. I can see the Clinton
team forming their response: "It depends on what the definition of
"kill" means".

This only makes me bring up the question again: What did Sandy Berger
shove in his pants and steal from the National Archives that he and
Clinton didn't want the 9/11 Commission to see? Clinton had to know
this report would eventually be released and he would be proven wrong
once again. Surprisingly, he did have a comment, which means that the
Clinton spin machine is triangulating something or looking for someone
else to scapegoat as has been their M.O. for years.

As I've said before, 9/11 was not President Clinton's fault and it was
not President Bush's fault. It was the fault of a terror network that
used our freedoms against us. I do blame Clinton for destroying a
military and an intelligence entity that could have prevented the
attack from occurring had they been given the leadership and the tools
needed. Sadly, the Clinton administration had people such as 9/11
Commission member Jamie Gorelick who hamstrung the intel agencies and
contributed to our deep weaknesses.



















On Mon, 16 Aug 2010 17:52:33 -0700, "Clave"
Post by Clave
Post by * US *
Clinton almost certainly lied about his bin Laden warning.
What utter horseshit.
But, given the magnitude of the consequences of Bush's utter failure to deal
with the threat, it's no wonder the GOP feels the need to rewrite history.
The Clinton administration poured more than a billion
dollars into counterterrorism activities across the
entire spectrum of the intelligence community, into
the protection of critical infrastructure, into massive
federal stockpiling of antidotes and vaccines to
prepare for a possible bioterror attack, into a
reorganization of the intelligence community itself.
Within the National Security Council, "threat meetings"
were held three times a week to assess looming
conspiracies. His National Security Advisor, Sandy
Berger, prepared a voluminous dossier on al-Qaeda and
Osama bin Laden, actively tracking them across the
planet. Clinton raised the issue of terrorism in
virtually every important speech he gave in the last
three years of his tenure.
Clinton's dire public warnings about the threat posed
by terrorism, and the actions taken to thwart it, went
completely unreported by the media, which was far more
concerned with stained dresses and baseless Drudge
Report rumors. When the administration did act militarily
against bin Laden and his terrorist network, the actions
were dismissed by partisans within the media and Congress
as scandalous "wag the dog" tactics. The news networks
actually broadcast clips of the movie "Wag the Dog" while
reporting on his warnings, to accentuate the idea that
everything the administration said was contrived fakery.
In Congress, Clinton was thwarted by the reactionary
conservative majority in virtually every attempt he made
to pass legislation that would attack al-Qaeda and
terrorism. His 1996 omnibus terror bill, which included
many of the anti-terror measures we now take for granted
after September 11, was withered almost to the point of
uselessness by attacks from the right; Senators Jesse
Helms and Trent Lott were openly dismissive of the
threats Clinton spoke of.
Specifically, Clinton wanted to attack the financial
underpinnings of the al-Qaeda network by banning American
companies and individuals from dealing with foreign banks
and financial institutions that al-Qaeda was using for
its money-laundering operations. Texas Senator Phil Gramm,
chairman of the Banking Committee, gutted the portions of
Clinton's bill dealing with this matter, calling them
"totalitarian."
In fact, Gramm was compelled to kill the bill because his
most devoted patrons, the Enron Corporation and its
criminal executives in Houston, were using those same
terrorist financial networks to launder their own dirty
money and rip off the Enron stockholders. It should also
be noted that Gramm's wife, Wendy, sat on the Enron Board
of Directors.
http://www.truth-out.org/article/clinton-911-and-facts
--
Well, shit, you confused me. More than normal
-- Beldin
Clave
2010-08-17 01:22:57 UTC
Permalink
Bill Clinton...blah, blah, blah...
You do realize that no one is taking you seriously, right?

Jim
unknown
2010-08-17 09:25:10 UTC
Permalink
Post by Clave
Bill Clinton...blah, blah, blah...
You do realize that no one is taking you seriously, right?
Jim
He may not realize much at all.
unknown
2010-08-17 09:25:10 UTC
Permalink
Bill Clinton got off ...
You're so jealous.
unknown
2010-08-17 09:25:10 UTC
Permalink
Post by Clave
Post by * US *
Clinton almost certainly lied about his bin Laden warning.
What utter horseshit.
But, given the magnitude of the consequences of Bush's utter failure to deal
with the threat, it's no wonder the GOP feels the need to rewrite history.
The Clinton administration poured more than a billion
dollars into counterterrorism activities across the
entire spectrum of the intelligence community, into
the protection of critical infrastructure, into massive
federal stockpiling of antidotes and vaccines to
prepare for a possible bioterror attack, into a
reorganization of the intelligence community itself.
Within the National Security Council, "threat meetings"
were held three times a week to assess looming
conspiracies. His National Security Advisor, Sandy
Berger, prepared a voluminous dossier on al-Qaeda and
Osama bin Laden, actively tracking them across the
planet. Clinton raised the issue of terrorism in
virtually every important speech he gave in the last
three years of his tenure.
Clinton's dire public warnings about the threat posed
by terrorism, and the actions taken to thwart it, went
completely unreported by the media, which was far more
concerned with stained dresses and baseless Drudge
Report rumors. When the administration did act militarily
against bin Laden and his terrorist network, the actions
were dismissed by partisans within the media and Congress
as scandalous "wag the dog" tactics. The news networks
actually broadcast clips of the movie "Wag the Dog" while
reporting on his warnings, to accentuate the idea that
everything the administration said was contrived fakery.
In Congress, Clinton was thwarted by the reactionary
conservative majority in virtually every attempt he made
to pass legislation that would attack al-Qaeda and
terrorism. His 1996 omnibus terror bill, which included
many of the anti-terror measures we now take for granted
after September 11, was withered almost to the point of
uselessness by attacks from the right; Senators Jesse
Helms and Trent Lott were openly dismissive of the
threats Clinton spoke of.
Specifically, Clinton wanted to attack the financial
underpinnings of the al-Qaeda network by banning American
companies and individuals from dealing with foreign banks
and financial institutions that al-Qaeda was using for
its money-laundering operations. Texas Senator Phil Gramm,
chairman of the Banking Committee, gutted the portions of
Clinton's bill dealing with this matter, calling them
"totalitarian."
In fact, Gramm was compelled to kill the bill because his
most devoted patrons, the Enron Corporation and its
criminal executives in Houston, were using those same
terrorist financial networks to launder their own dirty
money and rip off the Enron stockholders. It should also
be noted that Gramm's wife, Wendy, sat on the Enron Board
of Directors.
http://www.truth-out.org/article/clinton-911-and-facts
Indeed.
Ray Fischer
2010-08-17 05:17:30 UTC
Permalink
Post by * US *
Clinton almost certainly lied about his bin Laden warning.
LOL! Who are we going to believe? Some anonymous rightard asshole?

Not a chance.
--
Ray Fischer
***@sonic.net
unknown
2010-08-17 09:25:10 UTC
Permalink
Post by Ray Fischer
Post by * US *
Clinton almost certainly lied about his bin Laden warning.
LOL! Who are we going to believe? Some anonymous rightard asshole?
Not a chance.
Indeed.
unknown
2010-08-16 01:31:22 UTC
Permalink
Post by Clave
Post by * US *
Clinton almost certainly lied about his bin Laden warning.
What utter horseshit.
But, given the magnitude of the consequences of Bush's utter failure to deal
with the threat, it's no wonder the GOP feels the need to rewrite history.
The Clinton administration poured more than a billion
dollars into counterterrorism activities across the
entire spectrum of the intelligence community, into
the protection of critical infrastructure, into massive
federal stockpiling of antidotes and vaccines to
prepare for a possible bioterror attack, into a
reorganization of the intelligence community itself.
Within the National Security Council, "threat meetings"
were held three times a week to assess looming
conspiracies. His National Security Advisor, Sandy
Berger, prepared a voluminous dossier on al-Qaeda and
Osama bin Laden, actively tracking them across the
planet. Clinton raised the issue of terrorism in
virtually every important speech he gave in the last
three years of his tenure.
Clinton's dire public warnings about the threat posed
by terrorism, and the actions taken to thwart it, went
completely unreported by the media, which was far more
concerned with stained dresses and baseless Drudge
Report rumors. When the administration did act militarily
against bin Laden and his terrorist network, the actions
were dismissed by partisans within the media and Congress
as scandalous "wag the dog" tactics. The news networks
actually broadcast clips of the movie "Wag the Dog" while
reporting on his warnings, to accentuate the idea that
everything the administration said was contrived fakery.
In Congress, Clinton was thwarted by the reactionary
conservative majority in virtually every attempt he made
to pass legislation that would attack al-Qaeda and
terrorism. His 1996 omnibus terror bill, which included
many of the anti-terror measures we now take for granted
after September 11, was withered almost to the point of
uselessness by attacks from the right; Senators Jesse
Helms and Trent Lott were openly dismissive of the
threats Clinton spoke of.
Specifically, Clinton wanted to attack the financial
underpinnings of the al-Qaeda network by banning American
companies and individuals from dealing with foreign banks
and financial institutions that al-Qaeda was using for
its money-laundering operations. Texas Senator Phil Gramm,
chairman of the Banking Committee, gutted the portions of
Clinton's bill dealing with this matter, calling them
"totalitarian."
In fact, Gramm was compelled to kill the bill because his
most devoted patrons, the Enron Corporation and its
criminal executives in Houston, were using those same
terrorist financial networks to launder their own dirty
money and rip off the Enron stockholders. It should also
be noted that Gramm's wife, Wendy, sat on the Enron Board
of Directors.
http://www.truth-out.org/article/clinton-911-and-facts
Well done.
unknown
2010-08-16 01:31:22 UTC
Permalink
Clinton ...
You're so jealous.
unknown
2010-08-15 20:18:04 UTC
Permalink
... failure to grasp ...
During Clinton's term, the public record clearly shows republican
opposition to ALL Clinton's initiatives dealing with terrorism and
foreign problems---from Korea to Serbia.
In Jan 2001----BUSH was apprised of the unfolding rise of
terrorism---and guess what BUSH did?
DO you remember?
Ignored it----and worked on TAX CUTS.
You cannot go back and knock Clinton for what Republicans would not
help with---then when Bush ignored it and we got whacked---to then
claim "Clinton did it"
The GOP did NOT help Clinton
Indeed.
unknown
2010-08-15 15:11:25 UTC
Permalink
Post by F***@peach.net
Bill Clinton ...
Bush Sr. was a former CIA wheel. What's up with that?
Good point.

Poppy Wimp is a traitor, too.

http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Terrorism/GBush_CIA_StateTerror.html
F***@peach.net
2010-08-15 04:00:58 UTC
Permalink
Post by * US *
The Democrats' question: What has Clinton done for Indonesia that
harms the United States?
Nothing

It protects OUR resources.

Wyoming has a few trillion tons of coal left, mined by our companies

Let OUR resourcess stand until they get done, reclaim the land and
move into Utah

A lot of the mined areas in WY look better after reclaimation than
before.
unknown
2010-08-15 11:38:02 UTC
Permalink
Post by F***@peach.net
Post by * US *
The Democrats' question: What has Clinton done for Indonesia that
harms the United States?
Nothing
It protects OUR resources.
Wyoming has a few trillion tons of coal left, mined by our companies
Let OUR resourcess stand until they get done, reclaim the land and
move into Utah
A lot of the mined areas in WY look better after reclaimation than
before.
We need to advance beyond coal.
* US *
2010-08-15 11:44:55 UTC
Permalink
Kathryn Jean Lopez: What did the Clinton administration know about
Osama bin Laden and when did they know it?

Richard Miniter: One of the big myths about the Clinton years is that
no one knew about bin Laden until Sept. 11, 2001. In fact, the bin
Laden threat was recognized at the highest levels of the Clinton
administration as early as 1993. What's more, bin Laden's attacks kept
escalating throughout the Clinton administration; all told bin Laden
was responsible for the deaths of 59 Americans on Clinton's watch.

President Clinton learned about bin Laden within months of being sworn
into office. National Security Advisor Anthony Lake told me that he
first heard the name Osama bin Laden in 1993 in relation to the World
Trade Center attack. Lake briefed the president about bin Laden that
same year.

In addition, starting in 1993, Rep. Bill McCollum (R., Fla.)
repeatedly wrote to President Clinton and warned him and other
administration officials about bin Laden and other Islamic terrorists.
McCollum was the founder and chairman of the House Taskforce on
Terrorism and Unconventional Warfare and had developed a wealth of
contacts among the mujihedeen in Afghanistan. Those sources, who
regularly visited McCollum, informed him about bin Laden's training
camps and evil ambitions.

Indeed, it is possible that Clinton and his national-security team
learned of bin Laden even before the 1993 World Trade Center attack.
My interviews and investigation revealed that bin Laden made his first
attack on Americans was December 1992, a little more than a month
after Clinton won the 1992 election. His target was 100 U.S. Marines
housed in two towering Yemen hotels. Within hours, the CIA's
counterterrorism center learned that the Yemen suspected a man named
Osama bin Laden. (One of the arrested bombing suspects later escaped
and was detained in a police sweep after al Qaeda attacked the USS
Cole in 2000.) Lake says he doesn't remember briefing the
president-elect about the attempted attack, but that he well might
have.

So it is safe to conclude that Clinton knew about the threat posed by
bin Laden since 1993, his first year in office.

Lopez: What exactly was U.S. reaction to the attack on the USS Cole?

Miniter: In October 2000, al Qaeda bombed the USS Cole in Aden, Yemen.
Seventeen sailors were killed in the blast. The USS Cole was almost
sunk. In any ordinary administration, this would have been considered
an act of war. After all, America entered the Spanish-American war and
World War I when our ships were attacked.

Counterterrorism czar Richard Clarke had ordered his staff to review
existing intelligence in relation to the bombing of the USS Cole.
After that review, he and Michael Sheehan, the State Department's
counterterrorism coordinator, were convinced it was the work of Osama
bin Laden. The Pentagon had on-the-shelf, regularly updated and
detailed strike plans for bin Laden's training camps and strongholds
in Afghanistan.

At a meeting with Secretary of Defense William Cohen, Director of
Central Intelligence George Tenet, Secretary of State Madeleine
Albright, Attorney General Janet Reno, and other staffers, Clarke was
the only one in favor of retaliation against bin Laden. Reno thought
retaliation might violate international law and was therefore against
it. Tenet wanted to more definitive proof that bin Laden was behind
the attack, although he personally thought he was. Albright was
concerned about the reaction of world opinion to a retaliation against
Muslims, and the impact it would have in the final days of the Clinton
Middle East peace process. Cohen, according to Clarke, did not
consider the Cole attack "sufficient provocation" for a military
retaliation. Michael Sheehan was particularly surprised that the
Pentagon did not want to act. He told Clarke: "What's it going to take
to get them to hit al Qaeda in Afghanistan? Does al Qaeda have to
attack the Pentagon?"

Instead of destroying bin Laden's terrorist infrastructure and
capabilities, President Clinton phoned twice phoned the president of
Yemen demanding better cooperation between the FBI and the Yemeni
security services. If Clarke's plan had been implemented, al Qaeda's
infrastructure would have been demolished and bin Laden might well
have been killed. Sept. 11, 2001 might have been just another sunny
day.

Lopez: When the World Trade Center was first bombed in '93, why was it
treated at first as a criminal investigation?

Miniter: The Clinton administration was in the dark about the full
extent of the bin Laden menace because the president's decision to
treat the 1993 World Trade Center bombing as a crime. Once the FBI
began a criminal investigation, it could not lawfully share its
information with the CIA — without also having to share the same data
with the accused terrorists. Woolsey told me about his frustration
that he had less access to evidence from the World Trade Center
bombing — the then-largest ever foreign terrorist attack on U.S soil —
than any junior agent in the FBI's New York office.

Why did Clinton treat the attack as a law-enforcement matter? Several
reasons. In the first few days, Clinton refused to believe that the
towers had been bombed at all — even though the FBI made that
determination within hours. He speculated a electrical transformer had
exploded or a bank heist went bad.

More importantly, treating the bombing as a criminal matter was
politically advantageous. A criminal matter is a relatively tidy
process. It has the political benefit of insulating Clinton from
consequences; after all, he was only following the law. He is not to
blame if the terrorists were released on a "technicality" or if
foreign nations refuse to honor our extradition requests. Oh well, he
tried.

By contrast, if Clinton treated the bombing as the act of terrorism
that it was, he would be assuming personal responsibility for a series
of politically risky moves. Should he deploy the CIA or special forces
to hunt down the perpetrators? What happens if the agents or soldiers
die? What if they try to capture the terrorists and fail? One misstep
and the media, Congress, and even the public might blame the
president. So Clinton took the easy, safe way out, and called it a
crime.

Lopez: Bill Clinton was actually offered bin Laden? Could you set the
scene a little and clue us in on why, for heavens sakes, he would not
take advantage of such opportunities?

Miniter: On March 3, 1996, U.S. ambassador to Sudan, Tim Carney,
Director of East African Affairs at the State Department, David Shinn,
and a member of the CIA's directorate of operations' Africa division
met with Sudan's then-Minister of State for Defense Elfatih Erwa in a
Rosslyn, Virginia hotel room. Item number two on the CIA's list of
demands was to provide information about Osama bin Laden. Five days
later, Erwa met with the CIA officer and offered more than
information. He offered to arrest and turn over bin Laden himself. Two
years earlier, the Sudan had turned over the infamous terrorist,
Carlos the Jackal to the French. He now sits in a French prison. Sudan
wanted to repeat that scenario with bin Laden in the starring role.

Clinton administration officials have offered various explanations for
not taking the Sudanese offer. One argument is that an offer was never
made. But the same officials are on the record as saying the offer was
"not serious." Even a supposedly non-serious offer is an offer.
Another argument is that the Sudanese had not come through on a prior
request so this offer could not be trusted. But, as Ambassador Tim
Carney had argued at the time, even if you believe that, why not call
their bluff and ask for bin Laden?

The Clinton administration simply did not want the responsibility of
taking Osama bin Laden into custody. Former National Security Advisor
Sandy Berger is on the record as saying: "The FBI did not believe we
had enough evidence to indict bin Laden at that time and therefore
opposed bringing him to the United States." Even if that was true —
and it wasn't — the U.S. could have turned bin Laden over to Yemen or
Libya, both of which had valid warrants for his arrest stemming from
terrorist activities in those countries. Given the legal systems of
those two countries, Osama would have soon ceased to be a threat to
anyone.

After months of debating how to respond to the Sudanese offer, the
Clinton administration simply asked Sudan to deport him. Where to?
Ambassador Carney told me what he told the Sudanese: "Anywhere but
Somalia."

In May 1996 bin Laden was welcomed into Afghanistan by the Taliban. It
could not have been a better haven for Osama bin Laden.

Steven Simon, Clinton's counterterrorism director on the National
Security Council thought that kicking bin Laden out of Sudan would
benefit U.S. security since "It's going to take him a while to
reconstitute, and that screws him up and buys time." Buys time? Oh
yeah, 1996 was an election year and team Clinton did not want to deal
with bin Laden until after it was safely reelected.

Lopez: This amazes me every time I hear it: You write, "When a small
plane accidentally crashed into the White House lawn in 1994, West
Wing staffers joked that it was [Jim] Woolsey trying to see the
president..." How could the CIA director have that bad a relationship
with his president? And this, after the first WTC attack. Did no one
in the West Wing get it?

Miniter: Never once in his two-year tenure did CIA director James
Woolsey ever have a one-on-one meeting with Clinton. Even semiprivate
meetings were rare. They only happened twice. Woolsey told me: "It
wasn't that I had a bad relationship with the president. It just
didn't exist."

One of the little scoops in the book is the revelation that Clinton
froze Woolsey out because the CIA director refused to put a friend of
Bill on the agency's payroll. This account was confirmed by both
Woolsey and the Clinton's consigliore Bruce Lindsey.

Considering the Justice Department's experience with Webster Hubbell,
another Friend of Bill, Woolsey's decision may have done the CIA a
great deal of good. But Clinton's pique did not make America any safer
from bin Laden.

Another Clinton intelligence failure involved a refusal to help the
CIA hire more Arabic language translators. In 1993, Woolsey learned
that the agency was able to translate only 10 percent of its Arabic
intercepts and badly wanted more translators. But Sen. Dennis
DeConcini refused to approve the funds unless Clinton phoned him and
said it was a presidential priority. Despite entreaties, Clinton never
phoned the Democratic senator and the CIA didn't get those translators
for years.

Lopez: In sum, how many times did Bill Clinton lose bin Laden?

Miniter: Here's a rundown. The Clinton administration:

1. Did not follow-up on the attempted bombing of Aden marines in
Yemen.

2. Shut the CIA out of the 1993 WTC bombing investigation,
hamstringing their effort to capture bin Laden.

3. Had Khalid Shaikh Mohammed, a key bin Laden lieutenant, slip
through their fingers in Qatar.

4. Did not militarily react to the al Qaeda bombing in Riyadh, Saudi
Arabia.

5. Did not accept the Sudanese offer to turn bin Laden.

6. Did not follow-up on another offer from Sudan through a private
back channel.

7. Objected to Northern Alliance efforts to assassinate bin Laden in
Afghanistan.

8. Decided against using special forces to take down bin Laden in
Afghanistan.

9. Did not take an opportunity to take into custody two al Qaeda
operatives involved in the East African embassy bombings. In another
little scoop, I am able to show that Sudan arrested these two
terrorists and offered them to the FBI. The Clinton administration
declined to pick them up and they were later allowed to return to
Pakistan.

10. Ordered an ineffectual, token missile strike against a Sudanese
pharmaceutical factory.

11. Clumsily tipped off Pakistani officials sympathetic to bin Laden
before a planned missile strike against bin Laden on August 20, 1998.
Bin Laden left the camp with only minutes to spare.

12-14. Three times, Clinton hesitated or deferred in ordering missile
strikes against bin Laden in 1999 and 2000.

15. When they finally launched and armed the Predator spy drone plane,
which captured amazing live video images of bin Laden, the Clinton
administration no longer had military assets in place to strike the
archterrorist.

16. Did not order a retaliatory strike on bin Laden for the murderous
attack on the USS Cole.

Lopez: You sorta defend Clinton against "wag the dog" criticisms in
regard to that infamous August 1998 (Monica times) bombing of a
pharmaceutical factory in the Sudan and some bin Laden strongholds in
Afghanistan. That wasn't the problem, was it — that we fired then?

Miniter: Certainly the timing is suspicious. The day before the East
African-embassy bombings, Monica Lewinsky had recanted her prior
affidavit denying a sexual relationship with Clinton. The sex scandals
kicked into overdrive.

Still, the president wasn't doing too much in combating bin Laden
because of his sex scandals — he was doing too little. He should have
launched more missile strikes against bin Laden and the hell with the
political timing. Besides, after the East African-embassy bombings,
any president would have been negligent not to strike back. If he had
not, it would be open season on Americans. He would have been as
ineffectual as Carter was during the Tehran hostage crisis. Indeed,
this was the mistake made following the attack on the USS Cole.

But Clinton was distracted by sex and campaign-finance scandals and
his political support was already heavily leveraged to get him through
those scandals. If he fought bin Laden more vigorously, the leftwing
of the Democratic party might have deserted him — which could have
cost him the White House.

Instead Clinton's token, ineffectual missile strikes that only
emboldened bin Laden. He believed that America was too intimidated to
fight back — and was free to plan one of the most-murderous terrorist
attacks in history.

Lopez: How did George Tenet perform during the Clinton years vis-à-vis
al Qaeda/bin Laden?

Miniter: Tenet seemed to take a too legalistic view of CIA operations.
He was risk-averse, wanting almost absolute certainty before
recommending action, focused on safeguards against error and
unintended consequences. Tenet seemed more concerned with not getting
in trouble rather than relentlessly pursuing results to safeguard
Americans against terrorism, the focus of a warrior.

Each time U.S. intelligence pinpointed bin Laden, Tenet was against a
missile strike on the grounds that the information was "single
threaded" — a pet phrase of the director which means single source.
The predator was armed and fitted with video cameras mostly to
overcome Tenet's objections to taking out bin Laden.

Lopez: Madeline Albright — frequently called upon expert nowadays —
what's her record vis-à-vis al Qaeda?

Miniter: Albright always insisted that diplomatic efforts would best
yield results on bin Laden. Even after the Cole bombing, Albright
urged continued diplomatic efforts with the Taliban to turn him over,
even though that effort had been going on for two years with no
progress. Two simple facts should have made Albright aware that the
Taliban would never turn over bin Laden: Osama had married off one of
his sons to Mullah Omar's daughter. The Taliban weren't about to
surrender a member of the family — especially one that commanded
thousands of armed fighters who helped maintain Omar's grip on power.

Lopez: What exactly is the Iraq-al Qaeda connection?

Miniter: Osama bin Laden's wealth is overestimated. He had been
financially drained during his years in Sudan and financing terrorist
operations in dozens of countries, including training camps, bribes,
etc., requires a large, constant cash flow. Saddam Hussein was
unquestionably a generous financier of terrorism. Baghdad had a long
history of funding terrorist campaigns in the bin Laden-allied region
that straddles Iran and Pakistan known as Beluchistan. Documents found
in Baghdad in April 2003 showed that Saddam funded the Allied
Democratic Forces, a Ugandan terror group led by an Islamist cleric
linked to bin Laden since the 1990s. Saddam openly funded the Iraqi
Kurdish Group and its leader, Melan Krekar, admitted that he met bin
Laden in Afghanistan. George Tenet testified to the Senate
Intelligence Committee that Iraq had provided training in forging
documents and making bombs. Farouk Harazi, a senior officer in the
Iraqi Mukhabarat reportedly offered bin Laden asylum in Iraq. Salah
Suleiman, an Iraqi intelligence operative, was arrested in October
2000 near the Afghan border, apparently returning from a visit to bin
Laden. One of the 1993 World Trade Center bombers, Abdul Rahman Yasin,
reportedly fled to Baghdad in 1994. Iraq ran an extensive intelligence
hub in Khartoum; Sudanese intelligence officers told me about dozens
of meeting between Iraqi Intel and bin Laden. Tellingly, reports that
Mohamed Atta met with Iraqi intelligence agents in Prague several
times in 2000 and 2001 have not been disproved. I have far more on
this in Appendix A of Losing bin Laden.

Lopez: What most surprised you to learn about the Clinton years and
terrorism?

Miniter: Three things:

1) That the Sept. 11 attacks were planned in May 1998 in the Khalden
Camp in southeastern Afghanistan, according to American and British
intelligence officers I interviewed. In other words, the 9/11 attacks
were planned on Clinton's watch.

2) The sheer number of bin Laden's attacks on Americans during the
Clinton years.

3) And how much senior Clinton-administration officials knew about bin
Laden and how little they did about it.

Lopez: This sounds like this could all be right-wing propaganda. How
can you convince readers otherwise?

Miniter: Most of my best sources were senior Clinton officials,
including both of his national-security advisers, his first CIA
director, Clinton's counterterrorism czar Richard Clarke, Madeline
Albright, and others. Plus, I interviewed scores of career federal
officials. None of them are card-carrying members of the vast
right-wing conspiracy.

And, while I shine the light on Clinton's shortcomings in dealing with
bin Laden, I also give credit where it is due. Chapter nine is all
about one of the greatest (and least-known) Clinton victories over bin
Laden — the successful thwarting of a series of plots to murder
thousands of Americans on Millennium night, 1999.

If anyone has any doubts about the credibility of this book, they
should read the acknowledgements, which list many of my sources. Or
peruse the more than 15,000 words of footnotes, that allow the reader
to see exactly where information is coming from. Or examine the
intelligence documents reproduced in Appendix B. Or pick a page at
random and read it. Any fair-minded reader will see a carefully
constructed and balanced account that attempts to lay out the history
of Clinton and bin Laden.
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Post by * US *
The Democrats' question: What has Clinton done for Indonesia that
harms the United States?
Nothing
It protects OUR resources.
Wyoming has a few trillion tons of coal left, mined by our companies
Let OUR resourcess stand until they get done, reclaim the land and
move into Utah
A lot of the mined areas in WY look better after reclaimation than
before.
F***@peach.net
2010-08-15 13:48:22 UTC
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Kathryn Jean Lopez: What did the Clinton administration know about
Osama bin Laden and when did they know it?
Richard Miniter: One of the big myths about the Clinton years is that
no one knew about bin Laden until Sept. 11, 2001.
Of Course we "knew what Bin Laden was"
Post by * US *
======================================================
The Afghan Mujahadeens are the moral
equivalent of the Founding Fathers of America."
-Ronald Reagan
* US *
2010-08-15 13:58:08 UTC
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With a large charitable donation in hand, Indonesian businessman
Mochtar Riady flew to Little Rock to dine with first lady Hillary
Rodham Clinton at a 1993 gala honoring her as an "Arkansan of the
Year" at a time his company, a multibillion dollar banking
conglomerate, was seeking an end to a 30-year trade embargo with
Vietnam.


Five days after the March 4, 1993, dinner at the Excelsior Hotel, Mr.
Riady took the embargo question directly to President Clinton, saying
in a four-page letter that its demise would bring political reforms in
that communist country.


By that time, Mr. Riady's banking conglomerate, the $12 billion
Indonesia-based Lippo Group, its subsidiaries and its employees,
including his son James and executive John Huang had funneled hundreds
of thousands of dollars to Mr. Clinton's 1992 presidential race and
had guaranteed a $3 million last-minute loan to a cash-short Clinton
campaign just before the crucial New York primary in 1992.


Within six months of the dinner, the Lippo firm opened its first
offices in Ho Chi Minh City and Hanoi, and a further five months later
Mr. Clinton signed an executive order lifting the embargo, which had
been in effect since 1964.


The close proximity of Mrs. Clinton's contact and Mr. Riady's Little
Rock donation to his efforts to lobby for an end to the embargo were
never disclosed at the time and only became public with the release
last week of 11,046 pages of Mrs. Clinton's White House activity
calendars.


The calendars, released in response to a Freedom of Information
lawsuit by Judicial Watch, a Washington-based watchdog group, show
that Mr. Riady and his wife were among nine people who sat with Mrs.
Clinton at the head table. His name is listed next to the notation,
"**giving large donation**."


Mrs. Clinton's presidential campaign, in response to questions by The
Washington Times, said only that Mr. Riady had flown to Little Rock to
see Mrs. Clinton receive the award, presented by the March of Dimes,
and donated $50,000 to the charity "on the spot."

...


That is a nice "spot" donation. As Rush Limbaugh frequently says,
there are no coincidences with the Clintons. There are other examples
of how the intersection of the Riadys and the Clintons have resulted
in political benefits for the Clintons and commercial benefits for the
Riadys. Even in the closing days of the Clinton administration, a
large coal deposit in Utah was designated off limits as part of some
"preservation" park project. The coal would have competed with a Riady
project.
Post by F***@peach.net
Post by * US *
Kathryn Jean Lopez: What did the Clinton administration know about
Osama bin Laden and when did they know it?
Richard Miniter: One of the big myths about the Clinton years is that
no one knew about bin Laden until Sept. 11, 2001.
Of Course we "knew what Bin Laden was"
Post by * US *
======================================================
The Afghan Mujahadeens are the moral
equivalent of the Founding Fathers of America."
-Ronald Reagan
unknown
2010-08-15 15:12:07 UTC
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Post by F***@peach.net
Of Course we "knew what Bin Laden was"
Post by * US *
======================================================
The Afghan Mujahadeens are the moral
equivalent of the Founding Fathers of America."
-Ronald Reagan
Indeed.
Ray Fischer
2010-08-15 21:21:38 UTC
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Post by * US *
Kathryn Jean Lopez: What did the Clinton administration know about
Osama bin Laden and when did they know it?
Richard Miniter: One of the big myths about the Clinton years is that
no one knew about bin Laden until Sept. 11, 2001.
That's a rightard lie.
Post by * US *
In fact, the bin
Laden threat was recognized at the highest levels of the Clinton
administration as early as 1993.
And Bush was told about it.
--
Ray Fischer
***@sonic.net
unknown
2010-08-15 22:39:25 UTC
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Post by * US *
Kathryn Jean Lopez: What did the Clinton administration know about
Osama bin Laden and when did they know it?
Richard Miniter: One of the big myths about the Clinton years is that
no one knew about bin Laden until Sept. 11, 2001.
That's a rightard lie.
Indeed.
Post by Ray Fischer
Post by * US *
In fact, the bin
Laden threat was recognized at the highest levels of the Clinton
administration as early as 1993.
And Bush was told about it.
Exactly.
Ray Fischer
2010-08-15 05:55:14 UTC
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When the President signed the Executive Order designating 1.7 million
acres of land in southwest Utah as the Grand Staircase-Escalante
National
Monument, his action placed the area off limits to mineral extraction
and
development.
The New York Times reported that the monument encloses the largest
coal
field in the nation, the Kaiparowitz Plateau, which contains at least
7
billion tons of coal worth over $1 TRILLION.
And corporations are whining that they don't get to have it.
--
Ray Fischer
***@sonic.net
unknown
2010-08-15 11:38:49 UTC
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Post by Ray Fischer
Post by * US *
When the President signed the Executive Order designating 1.7 million
acres of land in southwest Utah as the Grand Staircase-Escalante
National
Monument, his action placed the area off limits to mineral extraction
and
development.
The New York Times reported that the monument encloses the largest
coal
field in the nation, the Kaiparowitz Plateau, which contains at least
7
billion tons of coal worth over $1 TRILLION.
And corporations are whining that they don't get to have it.
Indeed.
unknown
2010-08-15 11:35:02 UTC
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... coal?
You need to advance, if you ever become able.
unknown
2010-08-15 11:33:43 UTC
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Post by * US *
It was this web of investigations that led Gorelick and Bill Clinton
to erect the wall between intelligence agencies that resulted in the
toppling of the Twin Towers.
Stupid fuckwit
The interchange of information between CIA and FBI was forbidden by
law----established after your fucking hero Nixon used them both for
spying on political enemies
Moreover, Jesse Helms refused to allow Clinton ANYTHING, blocked any
attempt to deal with terrorists
True.
unknown
2010-08-15 11:32:52 UTC
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... what kept intelligence
agencies from preventing September 11...
It was just what PNAC wanted.
New Day ... Same Shit
2010-08-14 17:09:37 UTC
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Post by F***@peach.net
Post by * US *
Clinton deserves the blame for the Malaysian coal fraud, letting Osama
slip away, and Chinagate.
Oh, you mean those tired old unproven allegations that, even after
spending tens of millions to "investigate"
Cites of investigations?

Post here ==>
F***@peach.net
2010-08-14 22:57:26 UTC
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Post by New Day ... Same Shit
Post by F***@peach.net
Post by * US *
Clinton deserves the blame for the Malaysian coal fraud, letting Osama
slip away, and Chinagate.
Oh, you mean those tired old unproven allegations that, even after
spending tens of millions to "investigate"
Cites of investigations?
Whitewater

Filegate

Travelgate

Chinagate

Campaigngate

Monica gate

Fostergate

and the sham accusations the impeachment was based on

NONE were backed by any credible evidence

Scores of witnesses were supoenaed, none provided any credible
information to back up any of the claims

Between D'Amato, Burton and Thompsen, over $160 Million tax dollars
were spent to "prove" that clinton got Oral sex from lewinsky 2 years
prior to the publicity of it.

CPAC and Richard Mellon Scaife spent nearly $11 million in private
funded smears---Jones, Willey they represented in false allegations

There was NEVER any evidence found of Clinton doing wrong

NONE.
New Day ... Same Shit
2010-08-14 23:01:43 UTC
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Cite proof of tens of millions investigative dollars.

Your words alone are insufficient.
Post by F***@peach.net
Post by New Day ... Same Shit
Post by F***@peach.net
Post by * US *
Clinton deserves the blame for the Malaysian coal fraud, letting Osama
slip away, and Chinagate.
Oh, you mean those tired old unproven allegations that, even after
spending tens of millions to "investigate"
Cites of investigations?
Whitewater
Filegate
Travelgate
Chinagate
Campaigngate
Monica gate
Fostergate
and the sham accusations the impeachment was based on
NONE were backed by any credible evidence
Scores of witnesses were supoenaed, none provided any credible
information to back up any of the claims
Between D'Amato, Burton and Thompsen, over $160 Million tax dollars
were spent to "prove" that clinton got Oral sex from lewinsky 2 years
prior to the publicity of it.
CPAC and Richard Mellon Scaife spent nearly $11 million in private
funded smears---Jones, Willey they represented in false allegations
There was NEVER any evidence found of Clinton doing wrong
NONE.
F***@peach.net
2010-08-15 03:56:39 UTC
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Post by New Day ... Same Shit
Cite proof of tens of millions investigative dollars.
Your words alone are insufficient.
You're even more stupid that the usual scum that troll around here

Were you asleep all during the 90's---never heard Larry "mother suer"
Klayman, or Emmett "pissant" Tyrell jr making up stories and
lies----all paid for by Scaife and CPAC?

More likely, you were in 5th grade.
unknown
2010-08-15 11:41:23 UTC
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Post by F***@peach.net
Post by New Day ... Same Shit
Cite proof of tens of millions investigative dollars.
You're even more stupid that the usual scum that troll around here
Were you asleep all during the 90's---never heard Larry "mother suer"
Klayman, or Emmett "pissant" Tyrell jr making up stories and
lies----all paid for by Scaife and CPAC?
More likely, you were in 5th grade.
One doubts he could advance that far.
* US *
2010-08-15 11:45:00 UTC
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Post by F***@peach.net
Post by New Day ... Same Shit
Cite proof of tens of millions investigative dollars.
Your words alone are insufficient.
You're even more stupid that the usual scum that troll around here
Were you asleep all during the 90's---never heard Larry "mother suer"
Klayman, or Emmett "pissant" Tyrell jr making up stories and
lies----all paid for by Scaife and CPAC?
More likely, you were in 5th grade.
Factual citations as to your assertions seem to be missing.
F***@peach.net
2010-08-15 13:50:00 UTC
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Post by * US *
Post by F***@peach.net
Post by New Day ... Same Shit
Cite proof of tens of millions investigative dollars.
Your words alone are insufficient.
You're even more stupid that the usual scum that troll around here
Were you asleep all during the 90's---never heard Larry "mother suer"
Klayman, or Emmett "pissant" Tyrell jr making up stories and
lies----all paid for by Scaife and CPAC?
More likely, you were in 5th grade.
Factual citations as to your assertions seem to be missing.
I don't have to "cite" public events, or a historical record of
events, you moron.

Do you require cites to prove the earth is round(ish)?
* US *
2010-08-15 13:57:30 UTC
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Post by F***@peach.net
Post by * US *
Post by F***@peach.net
Post by New Day ... Same Shit
Cite proof of tens of millions investigative dollars.
Your words alone are insufficient.
You're even more stupid that the usual scum that troll around here
Were you asleep all during the 90's---never heard Larry "mother suer"
Klayman, or Emmett "pissant" Tyrell jr making up stories and
lies----all paid for by Scaife and CPAC?
More likely, you were in 5th grade.
Factual citations as to your assertions seem to be missing.
I don't have to "cite" public events, or a historical record of
events, you moron.
Do you require cites to prove the earth is round(ish)?
Still no proof your assertions.

Mere allegations are insufficient, I'm afraid.
unknown
2010-08-15 15:15:54 UTC
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Still no proof ...
Tell us that one about yellowcake from Niger, again.
... I'm afraid.
You're a total coward, bushkultie.
unknown
2010-08-15 15:14:35 UTC
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Post by F***@peach.net
... missing.
I don't have to "cite" public events, or a historical record of
events, you moron.
Do you require cites to prove the earth is round(ish)?
He's a loser, and beneath your worthy efforts.
unknown
2010-08-15 11:40:11 UTC
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Post by F***@peach.net
Whitewater
Filegate
Travelgate
Chinagate
Campaigngate
Monica gate
Fostergate
and the sham accusations the impeachment was based on
NONE were backed by any credible evidence
Scores of witnesses were supoenaed, none provided any credible
information to back up any of the claims
Between D'Amato, Burton and Thompsen, over $160 Million tax dollars
were spent to "prove" that clinton got Oral sex from lewinsky 2 years
prior to the publicity of it.
CPAC and Richard Mellon Scaife spent nearly $11 million in private
funded smears---Jones, Willey they represented in false allegations
There was NEVER any evidence found of Clinton doing wrong
NONE.
Indeed.
unknown
2010-08-15 11:39:44 UTC
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Clinton ...
You're still so very jealous.
unknown
2010-08-15 11:31:45 UTC
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Post by F***@peach.net
Post by * US *
Clinton deserves the blame for the Malaysian coal fraud, letting Osama
slip away, and Chinagate.
Oh, you mean those tired old unproven allegations that, even after
spending tens of millions to "investigate" did not produce a single
shred of credible evidence other than "looks like"?
By now even the dumbest rightwinger on earth knows that those
allegations were political smears intended to do what ideas and issues
could not against Clinton
Last resort (as Bill Bennett and CPAC said) was to conjure up a
"question of character" after popularity of the GOP Fell to 8% during
their 1995 government shutdown
Exactly.
Obwon
2010-08-16 22:35:46 UTC
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Post by unknown
Post by F***@peach.net
Post by * US *
Clinton deserves the blame for the Malaysian coal fraud, letting Osama
slip away, and Chinagate.
Oh, you mean those tired old unproven allegations that, even after
spending tens of millions to "investigate" did not produce a single
shred of credible evidence other than "looks like"?
By now even the dumbest rightwinger on earth knows that those
allegations were political smears intended to do what ideas and issues
could not against Clinton
Last resort (as Bill Bennett and CPAC said) was to conjure up a
"question of character" after popularity of the GOP Fell to 8% during
their 1995 government shutdown
Exactly.
The Repukelickcans still don't get the fact that nearly
everyone is very afraid of them. Their last 8 years
non-performance has left everyone devastated.
* US *
2010-08-16 22:59:35 UTC
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Post by Obwon
Post by unknown
Post by F***@peach.net
Post by * US *
Clinton deserves the blame for the Malaysian coal fraud, letting
Osama slip away, and Chinagate.
Oh, you mean those tired old unproven allegations that, even after
spending tens of millions to "investigate" did not produce a single
shred of credible evidence other than "looks like"?
By now even the dumbest rightwinger on earth knows that those
allegations were political smears intended to do what ideas and
issues could not against Clinton
Last resort (as Bill Bennett and CPAC said) was to conjure up a
"question of character" after popularity of the GOP Fell to 8% during
their 1995 government shutdown
Exactly.
The Repukelickcans still don't get the fact that nearly
everyone is very afraid of them. Their last 8 years
non-performance has left everyone devastated.
Your sales job is wearing thin. The records of Congress are publicly
available and it's plainly evident that there is ample blame to go
around for both parties.

However,

Clinton and the Democrats began the WMD fiasco.

Clinton and the Democrats began the current Fannie/Freddie fiasco.

Democrats voted down Republican attempts to rein in Fannie/Freddie.

World economists predicted NAFTA would be a disaster for everyone.

So far, they have been proven correct.

Bush could not get a single bill through Congress without Democrats
piling unrelated pork on it.

It's all right there in the congressional records where citizens, or
rather citizens with brains that is (Excludes liberals), are beginning
to take a very hard look at it.
--
"teabagger" - a word coined by homosexuals describing the act of taking
a male phallus in the mouth.

Liberals and Democrats, those who defend the actions of homosexuals and
seek to elevate them to favored status.

Republicans, those who disagree with the above.
unknown
2010-08-16 23:47:23 UTC
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On Mon, 16 Aug 2010 22:59:35 +0000 (UTC), "* fake *"
... the WMD ...
That was your Messiah Bush's lie.
* US *
2010-08-16 23:00:27 UTC
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How A Clinton-Era Rule Rewrite Made Subprime Crisis Inevitable
By TERRY JONES
INVESTOR'S BUSINESS DAILY | Posted Wednesday, September 24, 2008 4:30
PM PT

One of the most frequently asked questions about the subprime market
meltdown and housing crisis is: How did the government get so deeply
involved in the housing market?


The answer is: President Clinton wanted it that way.

Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, even into the early 1990s, weren't the
juggernauts they'd later be.

While President Carter in 1977 signed the Community Reinvestment Act,
which pushed Fannie and Freddie to aggressively lend to minority
communities, it was Clinton who supercharged the process. After
entering office in 1993, he extensively rewrote Fannie's and Freddie's
rules.

In so doing, he turned the two quasi-private, mortgage-funding firms
into a semi-nationalized monopoly that dispensed cash to markets, made
loans to large Democratic voting blocs and handed favors, jobs and
money to political allies. This potent mix led inevitably to
corruption and the Fannie-Freddie collapse.

Despite warnings of trouble at Fannie and Freddie, in 1994 Clinton
unveiled his National Homeownership Strategy, which broadened the CRA
in ways Congress never intended.

Addressing the National Association of Realtors that year, Clinton
bluntly told the group that "more Americans should own their own
homes." He meant it.

Clinton saw homeownership as a way to open the door for blacks and
other minorities to enter the middle class.

Though well-intended, the problem was that Congress was about to
change hands, from the Democrats to the Republicans. Rather than
submit legislation that the GOP-led Congress was almost sure to
reject, Clinton ordered Robert Rubin's Treasury Department to rewrite
the rules in 1995.

The rewrite, as City Journal noted back in 2000, "made getting a
satisfactory CRA rating harder." Banks were given strict new numerical
quotas and measures for the level of "diversity" in their loan
portfolios. Getting a good CRA rating was key for a bank that wanted
to expand or merge with another.

Loans started being made on the basis of race, and often little else.

"Bank examiners would use federal home-loan data, broken down by
neighborhood, income group and race, to rate banks on performance,"
wrote Howard Husock, a scholar at the Manhattan Institute.

But those rules weren't enough.

Clinton got the Department of Housing and Urban Development to
double-team the issue. That would later prove disastrous.

Clinton's HUD secretary, Andrew Cuomo, "made a series of decisions
between 1997 and 2001 that gave birth to the country's current
crisis," the liberal Village Voice noted. Among those decisions were
changes that let Fannie and Freddie get into subprime loan markets in
a big way.

Other rule changes gave Fannie and Freddie extraordinary leverage,
allowing them to hold just 2.5% of capital to back their investments,
vs. 10% for banks.

Since they could borrow at lower rates than banks due to implicit
government guarantees for their debt, the government-sponsored
enterprises boomed.

With incentives in place, banks poured billions of dollars of loans
into poor communities, often "no doc" and "no income" loans that
required no money down and no verification of income.

By 2007, Fannie and Freddie owned or guaranteed nearly half of the $12
trillion U.S. mortgage market — a staggering exposure.

Worse still was the cronyism.

Fannie and Freddie became home to out-of-work politicians, mostly
Clinton Democrats. An informal survey of their top officials shows a
roughly 2-to-1 dominance of Democrats over Republicans.

Then there were the campaign donations. From 1989 to 2008, some 384
politicians got their tip jars filled by Fannie and Freddie.

Over that time, the two GSEs spent $200 million on lobbying and
political activities. Their charitable foundations dropped millions
more on think tanks and radical community groups.

Did it work? Well, if measured by the goal of putting more poor people
into homes, the answer would have to be yes.

From 1995 to 2005, a Harvard study shows, minorities made up 49% of
the 12.5 million new homeowners.

The problem is that many of those loans have now gone bad, and
minority homeownership rates are shrinking fast.

Fannie and Freddie, with their massive loan portfolios stuffed with
securitized mortgage-backed paper created from subprime loans, are a
failed legacy of the Clinton era.
_________

http://beltwaysnark.com/2008/09/16/john-mccain-supported-a-proposal-for-
an-agency-to-oversee-fannie-and-freddiein-2005/

In Sept. 2003 President Bush proposed a new agency to oversee
regulatory
reforms of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. Here is an excerpt form the
above
linked article from Sept. 11, 2003.

The Bush administration today recommended the most significant
regulatory overhaul in the housing finance industry since the savings
and loan crisis a decade ago.

Under the plan, disclosed at a Congressional hearing today, a new
agency
would be created within the Treasury Department to assume supervision
of
Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, the government-sponsored companies that
are
the two largest players in the mortgage lending industry.

The new agency would have the authority, which now rests with
Congress,
to set one of the two capital-reserve requirements for the companies.
It
would exercise authority over any new lines of business. And it would
determine whether the two are adequately managing the risks of their
ballooning portfolios.

The plan is an acknowledgment by the administration that oversight of
Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac — which together have issued more than $1.5

trillion in outstanding debt — is broken. A report by outside
investigators in July concluded that Freddie Mac manipulated its
accounting to mislead investors, and critics have said Fannie Mae does

not adequately hedge against rising interest rates.

Then in 2005 John McCain co-sponsored the Federal Housing Enterprise
Regulatory Reform Act of 2005.

The Bill was never passed. John McCain addressed the floor on May
26th,
2006. Here is an excerpt:

I join as a cosponsor of the Federal Housing Enterprise Regulatory
Reform Act of 2005, S. 190, to underscore my support for quick passage

of GSE regulatory reform legislation. If Congress does not act,
American
taxpayers will continue to be exposed to the enormous risk that Fannie

Mae and Freddie Mac pose to the housing market, the overall financial
system, and the economy as a whole.

I urge my colleagues to support swift action on this GSE reform
legislation.

This bill was shot down by the Democrats and some Republicans in
Congress.

John McCain fought two years ago to shield the American people from
the
crisis some of us are facing.

What was Barack’s vote??
Post by Obwon
Post by unknown
Post by F***@peach.net
Post by * US *
Clinton deserves the blame for the Malaysian coal fraud, letting Osama
slip away, and Chinagate.
Oh, you mean those tired old unproven allegations that, even after
spending tens of millions to "investigate" did not produce a single
shred of credible evidence other than "looks like"?
By now even the dumbest rightwinger on earth knows that those
allegations were political smears intended to do what ideas and issues
could not against Clinton
Last resort (as Bill Bennett and CPAC said) was to conjure up a
"question of character" after popularity of the GOP Fell to 8% during
their 1995 government shutdown
Exactly.
The Repukelickcans still don't get the fact that nearly
everyone is very afraid of them. Their last 8 years
non-performance has left everyone devastated.
unknown
2010-08-16 23:48:11 UTC
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... Crisis ...
Get well soon.
Ray Fischer
2010-08-17 05:18:43 UTC
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Post by * US *
How A Clinton-Era Rule Rewrite Made Subprime Crisis Inevitable
By TERRY JONES
INVESTOR'S BUSINESS DAILY | Posted Wednesday, September 24, 2008 4:30
PM PT
That's the same publication that claimed that Steven Hawking would be
dead now if he had to depend upon the British NHS.
--
Ray Fischer
***@sonic.net
unknown
2010-08-17 09:25:10 UTC
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Post by Ray Fischer
INVESTOR'S BUSINESS DAILY...
That's the same publication that claimed that Steven Hawking would be
dead now if he had to depend upon the British NHS.
Indeed.
unknown
2010-08-16 23:47:27 UTC
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Post by Obwon
Post by unknown
Post by F***@peach.net
Post by * US *
Clinton deserves the blame for the Malaysian coal fraud, letting Osama
slip away, and Chinagate.
Oh, you mean those tired old unproven allegations that, even after
spending tens of millions to "investigate" did not produce a single
shred of credible evidence other than "looks like"?
By now even the dumbest rightwinger on earth knows that those
allegations were political smears intended to do what ideas and issues
could not against Clinton
Last resort (as Bill Bennett and CPAC said) was to conjure up a
"question of character" after popularity of the GOP Fell to 8% during
their 1995 government shutdown
Exactly.
The Repukelickcans still don't get the fact that nearly
everyone is very afraid of them. Their last 8 years
non-performance has left everyone devastated.
Many aren't so much afraid of them as disgusted by them.
unknown
2010-08-15 11:30:59 UTC
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Post by Klaus
Clinton
You're still so jealous.
Alfred Stomacker
2010-08-15 14:03:47 UTC
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Post by unknown
Post by Klaus
Clinton
You're still so jealous.
she is just another corrupt negro like most .
unknown
2010-08-15 15:16:35 UTC
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...corrupt ...
You're downright decayed.
Clinton
You're still so jealous.
unknown
2010-08-14 01:06:48 UTC
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...fuck-ups
They're all you have.
unknown
2010-08-14 12:09:50 UTC
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http://en.drigger.com/e/1795792/Paul_David_Weimer
Milt
2010-08-16 23:17:12 UTC
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The new Negro excuse for their fuck-ups: Blame Bush.  Maybe they think
that they've over-milked the "It beez racism" dodge.
___________
Facing Ethics Charges, Rep. Waters Points Finger at Bush
Administration
Published August 13, 2010
Rep. Maxine Waters (D-CA) holds a press conference to defend herself
on ethics charges, Friday, August 13, 2010. (FNC)
Embattled Rep. Maxine Waters on Friday blamed the Bush administration
for her ethics problems -- saying she had to intervene with the
Treasury Department on behalf of minority-owned banks seeking federal
bailout funds -- including one tied to her husband -- because the
Treasury Department wouldn't schedule its own appointments.
(...)
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/08/13/rep-waters-violated-house-...
Ignoring the racist BS...

You know what? I actually had a Congressman explain this to me the
other day, and I simply cannot figure out what she supposedly did
wrong. She guided the Treasury Department to the banks -- one of which
was one on which her husband served on the board. The bank her husband
worked for was only one bank, the Treasury Department handled the
transaction, and there is no evidence she intervened beyond giving
Treasury some names and phone numbers.

There is no crime here.
unknown
2010-08-16 23:49:48 UTC
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Post by Milt
... fuck-ups...
Ignoring the racist BS...
You know what? I actually had a Congressman explain this to me the
other day, and I simply cannot figure out what she supposedly did
wrong. She guided the Treasury Department to the banks -- one of which
was one on which her husband served on the board. The bank her husband
worked for was only one bank, the Treasury Department handled the
transaction, and there is no evidence she intervened beyond giving
Treasury some names and phone numbers.
There is no crime here.
Indeed: there is only racist teabagot hysteria.
Steve
2010-08-17 00:22:45 UTC
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Post by Milt
The new Negro excuse for their fuck-ups: Blame Bush.  Maybe they think
that they've over-milked the "It beez racism" dodge.
___________
Facing Ethics Charges, Rep. Waters Points Finger at Bush
Administration
Published August 13, 2010
Rep. Maxine Waters (D-CA) holds a press conference to defend herself
on ethics charges, Friday, August 13, 2010. (FNC)
Embattled Rep. Maxine Waters on Friday blamed the Bush administration
for her ethics problems -- saying she had to intervene with the
Treasury Department on behalf of minority-owned banks seeking federal
bailout funds -- including one tied to her husband -- because the
Treasury Department wouldn't schedule its own appointments.
(...)
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/08/13/rep-waters-violated-house-...
Ignoring the racist BS...
You know what? I actually had a Congressman explain this
Fantasy congressmen don't count Shook.

to me the
Post by Milt
other day, and I simply cannot figure out what she supposedly did
wrong.
Not surprising since Milt can't even figure out what the Bill of
Rights is all about..



"I mean, Jesus, you moron; basically what you're arguing is
that the Bill of Rights only protects you from the government.
That's insane. [...]
-- Milt.Shook.. May 15 2004
http://www.google.com/groups?selm=rOednTyGe5IzVjvd4p2dnA%40comcast.com


Insane???

Irony anyone? See below:

"The First Amendment applies only to government action, not the
actions of a private person or corporation."
http://experts.about.com/q/342/2024692.htm

"The First Amendment, unfortunately, only limits the coercive powers
of the Government [..]"
http://www.workrights.org/issue_whistle/wb_legislative_brief.html

"Suppressions of speech are not violations of the
First Amendment unless the State is does the suppressing. "
http://www.csulb.edu/~jvancamp/freedom1.html
unknown
2010-08-17 00:35:38 UTC
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...can't even figure out what the Bill of
Rights is all about..
You're that pathetic.
NoBody
2010-08-17 09:35:42 UTC
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Post by Milt
The new Negro excuse for their fuck-ups: Blame Bush.  Maybe they think
that they've over-milked the "It beez racism" dodge.
___________
Facing Ethics Charges, Rep. Waters Points Finger at Bush
Administration
Published August 13, 2010
Rep. Maxine Waters (D-CA) holds a press conference to defend herself
on ethics charges, Friday, August 13, 2010. (FNC)
Embattled Rep. Maxine Waters on Friday blamed the Bush administration
for her ethics problems -- saying she had to intervene with the
Treasury Department on behalf of minority-owned banks seeking federal
bailout funds -- including one tied to her husband -- because the
Treasury Department wouldn't schedule its own appointments.
(...)
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/08/13/rep-waters-violated-house-...
Ignoring the racist BS...
You know what? I actually had a Congressman explain this to me the
other day,
Another one of Miltie's infamous "sources"....

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