More on our boy Steebie, and His famous Kooksuit !

[i***@yahoo.com]

You IN FACT
did NOT do anything about the porn until AFTER they cancelled
your account, and YOU said so in your own words

You are a vicious, ignorant scum Rod. Until they cancelled my
account because they didn't like my posting and there was a
lawsuit, I had no reason to investigate them. Only after they
cancelled my account did their excuse that they didn't regulate
USENET lose its value.

Point set match, exactly until it suited your needs you did nothing,
then you became an internet crusader. Tell us "Real Preacher" when you
yes YOU posted about your son was that because you thought some "enemy"
might find out and post it first? Then when others offered you comfort
you spurned them, then you became an insta pastor again. You know what
some peopel go to schoo, work hard, struggle for the title of Pastor,
or Rev, you use them to serve your own needs. That is the point and it
is lost on you. Personally if you had even a small effect on closing
down child porn Good for you, great Praise God Jesus zues oden or what
ever deity you choose. That is not the point its that you did it to
serve your perpose, to move your agenda forward.

I mean do you really think what you do out here "ministers" to people ?
It really is lost on you. That is typical, sad but very typical. It
really is sad that a beautiful faith like what Jesus taught was
castrated and turned into a business, I know that has no meaning what
so ever but it really is sad. Which of course also has no meaning.

Go crawl back into the sewer Rod. You are a pathetic excuse for a
man now. Sin has turned you into a vile pathetic bumbling scum.

Wow Jesus died to reach man, and his "real preacher" cant do the same,
eat some crow to win a soul. Nope that will not, actually cannot
happen, because the death of Jesus has no meaning what so ever at all
none at all. Winning that is what matters. Nothing else matters what so
ever. Great Praise Jesus. What a sad religion.

Pastor Winter
--

[Pastor Steve Winter]

Post by i***@yahoo.com
Point set match, exactly until it suited your needs you did nothing,
then you became an internet crusader.

Gutless anon coward liar. You are an ignorant scum, a filthy
obsessed trash who will say anything.

I was hated long before that by some of the scum in Fidonet for
FAXing some of the content of their echos where Sodomites were
recruiting teens to their lifestyle, to a US Customs agent.

I have been preaching against sin and doing what I could for a
long time even before the internet was widely known.

The ISPs had a strong defense claim that they did not regulate
USENET until they started regulating USENET. When they censored
me they could hardly continue their claim that they didn't
regulate USENET. I also pointed out to the Federal Court and to
the US Atty and to a US Senator that they were storing and
re-publishing the illegal material from LOCAL servers

You, gutless anon coward, are a putrid disgrace. You are correct
to be ashamed of your identity.

But, know, little scum, that there is a preacher praying for the
Lord to reward you according to your works and He knows right
where you live.

Pastor Winter

[John Fraser]

Good afternoon Steve;

Post by Pastor Steve Winter

Post by i***@yahoo.com
Point set match, exactly until it suited your needs you did nothing,
then you became an internet crusader.

Gutless anon coward liar. You are an ignorant scum, a filthy
obsessed trash who will say anything.
I was hated long before that by some of the scum in Fidonet for
FAXing some of the content of their echos where Sodomites were
recruiting teens to their lifestyle, to a US Customs agent.

True, Fidonet had also cancelled your account because of complaints
about you. Can we then presume when you arrived at Concentric, you checked
to see which newsgroups they carried and immediately set about reporting
them for any infractions? Or, did you wait until your account was cancelled
to try publicly humilate them?

Post by Pastor Steve Winter
I have been preaching against sin and doing what I could for a
long time even before the internet was widely known.

I can think of a few topics which have never appeared in your list of
sermons which should be there such as joy & a peace that passes all
understanding. Trinitarians talk about them. Why not you? Oh yeah, you're
not into what they're into. Is it true your joy comes on a printed
rectangle of paper bearing numbers and an image of Andrew Jackson?

Post by Pastor Steve Winter
The ISPs had a strong defense claim that they did not regulate
USENET until they started regulating USENET. When they censored
me they could hardly continue their claim that they didn't
regulate USENET. I also pointed out to the Federal Court and to
the US Atty and to a US Senator that they were storing and
re-publishing the illegal material from LOCAL servers

If providers weren't directly responsible for vetting traffic, it meant
less of a workload and less overhead due to wages. It would also mean a
less expensive internet service to customers. This was in part their
argument to Federal authorities who conceded to them. And like you, how do
they define a crime?

On the flip side and central to this whole discussion which you can't
avoid, that same slackness also permitted you to exercise less
self-restraint. That is, until Concentric began receiving complaints about
you. Were not the child pornographic newsgroups removed because somebody
complained about them? Common Denominator. And, that's what you did to
Concentric: you complained about their slack enforcement which by the way,
also gave you the freedom to avoid being equally censored as well. Until
Concentric began receiving complaints about you. Ergo, the same manner why
the child pornography newgroups were removed.

Regardless of what you argue, it could be accurately stated that you
sued them because they didn't prevent you from getting your account
cancelled which would have meant somebody standing behind with a stick
rapping your hands whenever you acted up according to them. Well, that
person wants to get paid for their services, so up goes your Internet
expenses. When they did cancel your account, you complained about
censorship. They didn't censor you directly, they reacted to complaints
about you. Or, would you prefer the stick? Obviously, there existed
evidence to support some claims. Steve, all you had to do was tone down
your behaviour, play nicely with the other boys and girls, and you could
have kept right on posting right alongside those posting pornography which
you were doing anyway until your account was cancelled.

Post by Pastor Steve Winter
You, gutless anon coward, are a putrid disgrace. You are correct
to be ashamed of your identity.
But, know, little scum, that there is a preacher praying for the
Lord to reward you according to your works and He knows right
where you live.
Pastor Winter

If the above words are any indication, people eventually tire of being
treated like dirt. They either leave or they fight back. If they fight
back, their weapon of choice may be getting your account cancelled. Sadly,
you left a rather easy trail of evidence to follow. The problem is, you
expect them to put up with your dirt because after all, they're Christians
who are supposed to turn the other cheek. And you count on that, right?
Well, one of them may turn out to be a Joshua or David who will defend their
principles. If they slap you hard enough to knock you on your derriere, you
have only yourself to blame because they gave you every opportunity to play
nicely although something tells me you will go running to the Police
claiming physical assault

If at some point you had said to yourself, "Self I says, OK, I'll play
their silly game and be a good boy", and then went on a search to see what
they failed to legally censor and reported it in a respectful and
responsible manner, you might have stood a chance. If your account was then
cancelled, your lawsuit would have had a point.

Why do I try?
John

[i***@yahoo.com]

Post by Pastor Steve Winter

Post by i***@yahoo.com
Point set match, exactly until it suited your needs you did nothing,
then you became an internet crusader.

Gutless anon coward liar. You are an ignorant scum, a filthy
obsessed trash who will say anything.

No I said the truth, you even say the same thing, you waited to report
this stuff until it suited your point, you downloaded it, printed it,
and tried to use it in court. You are not a law enforcement person, and
have no right to brake a law in some search for some law suit. That is
just a plain fact.

Post by Pastor Steve Winter
I was hated long before that by some of the scum in Fidonet for
FAXing some of the content of their echos where Sodomites were
recruiting teens to their lifestyle, to a US Customs agent.

LOL what about saying anything. You take things out of context then to
on literally for years about it. You have called people on the phone
and cursed them in the name of Jesus, if anyone did that to you you
would scream bloody murder and wear out the police fax machine sending
them "Evidence". All that aside you really dont make any sense. All
these people try to point something about to you. You honestly dont
listen, I dont think you can.

Post by Pastor Steve Winter
I have been preaching against sin and doing what I could for a
long time even before the internet was widely known.

LOL widely known? You are a supper hero, back in the day when you sold
your wears with half page long sigs, please. I remember you back in the
BBS fido net days, You were a legend even back then. Anyone can look
back at your history and see why people dont want you to know their
name.

Post by Pastor Steve Winter
The ISPs had a strong defense claim that they did not regulate
USENET until they started regulating USENET. When they censored
me they could hardly continue their claim that they didn't
regulate USENET. I also pointed out to the Federal Court and to
the US Atty and to a US Senator that they were storing and
re-publishing the illegal material from LOCAL servers

pffffffffffff logic meter, you were their costomer hense your posts
were leaving their system the others were coming in. Yes they could,
even should regulate such trash on their local service, if you had even
a small part in shutting down even one group even for a day, good for
you, good work, good job. The point is you only did it when it served
your purpose,

Post by Pastor Steve Winter
You, gutless anon coward, are a putrid disgrace. You are correct
to be ashamed of your identity.

I am not ashamed I protect my identity. Im still trying to figure out
why you are not ashamed of how you behave.

Post by Pastor Steve Winter
But, know, little scum, that there is a preacher praying for the
Lord to reward you according to your works and He knows right
where you live.

Pray away pastor, clapp your hands and call down fire stick pins in a
voodoo doll for all I care, you have been praying like that for years
to no end. You would think the light would have popped on but Not in
your case.

Post by Pastor Steve Winter
Pastor Winter
--

snip you are not a pastor.

[Quartus, a brother]

Just look at the depth Rod has descended to since he rejected
Christ.

I don't believe that Rod has necessarily rejected Jesus Christ.

What he has rejected is the jesus you preach, for he and all of us can
see exactly what is the result of jesus you preach is. Cursings, false
accusations, railing, reviling, corrupt communication out of your mouth,
vile language, etc.

Who'd what your jesus, Steve?


Quartus, a brother, but not your brother

[Pastor Steve Winter]

Post by Quartus, a brother
I don't believe that Rod has necessarily rejected Jesus Christ.

Of course you don't, you are a false-christian scum even lower
and viler than he.

Let the reader consider one thing. When the filthy
false-christian dirt Charles Stanley posts any scripture he is
like the devil trying to convince you that you don't need to
follow the original plan of salvation.

You Oneness brethren need to understand the evil that these filth
like Charles Stanley are doing. They are deceiving souls into
hell. The Bible has instructed us to curse such deceiving scum
as Charles Stanley.

Join with me in obedience to Gal 1:8 regarding Charles Stanley
AND the filthy preachers that created such a foul Satanic scum.

Tell us again how you believe fornication equals marriage,
Charles
Stanley!

Tell us again how you support Robert Taylor for advocating child
abuse, Charles Stanley. Tell us again how you believe that a man
punching a 14 year old girl in the face is not abuse if it only
happened once.

Tell us again, Charles Stanley, how you support Stephen Adams for
trying to help child porn publishers while you attack me falsely
for simply reporting the crime.

Tell us again Charles Stanley how the woman at the well was not
living in sin with a man not married to her.

Yes, Charles Stanley, keep sharing the thoughts of your heart
so all can see what a low life, foul, lying, Satanic
false-christian scum Charles Stanley really is.

Pastor Winter

[BAM]

Post by Pastor Steve Winter

Post by Quartus, a brother
I don't believe that Rod has necessarily rejected Jesus Christ.

Of course you don't, you are a false-christian scum even lower
and viler than he.
Let the reader consider one thing. When the filthy
false-christian dirt Charles Stanley posts any scripture he is
like the devil trying to convince you that you don't need to
follow the original plan of salvation.
You Oneness brethren need to understand the evil that these filth
like Charles Stanley are doing. They are deceiving souls into
hell. The Bible has instructed us to curse such deceiving scum
as Charles Stanley.
Join with me in obedience to Gal 1:8 regarding Charles Stanley
AND the filthy preachers that created such a foul Satanic scum.
Tell us again how you believe fornication equals marriage,
Charles
Stanley!
Tell us again how you support Robert Taylor for advocating child
abuse, Charles Stanley. Tell us again how you believe that a man
punching a 14 year old girl in the face is not abuse if it only
happened once.
Tell us again, Charles Stanley, how you support Stephen Adams for
trying to help child porn publishers while you attack me falsely
for simply reporting the crime.
Tell us again Charles Stanley how the woman at the well was not
living in sin with a man not married to her.
Yes, Charles Stanley, keep sharing the thoughts of your heart
so all can see what a low life, foul, lying, Satanic
false-christian scum Charles Stanley really is.

C'mon Steve - stop pulling your punches. You're so insufferably charitable.

BAM

[Dr. Knapp]

Post by Quartus, a brother

Just look at the depth Rod has descended to since he rejected
Christ.

I don't believe that Rod has necessarily rejected Jesus Christ.
What he has rejected is the jesus you preach, for he and all of us can
see exactly what is the result of jesus you preach is. Cursings, false
accusations, railing, reviling, corrupt communication out of your mouth,
vile language, etc.

I think you hit it on the head, and really I have not met a Apostolic
or UPCI pastor that says he agrees with Mr. Steve Winter, in fact some
said he was just a false preacher.

Post by Quartus, a brother
Who'd what your jesus, Steve?

You know what he is going to say, that is before or after he curses you
and insults you etc.

[John Fraser]

Good morning Raymond;

Post by Dr. Knapp

Post by Quartus, a brother

Just look at the depth Rod has descended to since he rejected
Christ.

I don't believe that Rod has necessarily rejected Jesus Christ.
What he has rejected is the jesus you preach, for he and all of us can
see exactly what is the result of jesus you preach is. Cursings, false
accusations, railing, reviling, corrupt communication out of your mouth,
vile language, etc.

I think you hit it on the head, and really I have not met a Apostolic
or UPCI pastor that says he agrees with Mr. Steve Winter, in fact some
said he was just a false preacher.

Post by Quartus, a brother
Who'd what your jesus, Steve?

You know what he is going to say, that is before or after he curses you
and insults you etc.

My guess is if he behaved in certain countries as he does here, he would
likely be jailed on legitimate civil charges. Fortunately for him, the
American legal system has taken a benevolent view regarding his general
behaviour.

It's interesting that Mr. Winter quoted from Scripture in another post
what the prerequisite for a bishop or a deacon is. What I find intriguing
in his quote is who recommended him, who approved him, and by whose
authority was he ordained?

Cheers,
John

[The true will set you free!]

Post by John Fraser
Good morning Raymond;

Post by Dr. Knapp

Post by Quartus, a brother

Just look at the depth Rod has descended to since he rejected
Christ.

I don't believe that Rod has necessarily rejected Jesus Christ.
What he has rejected is the jesus you preach, for he and all of us can
see exactly what is the result of jesus you preach is. Cursings, false
accusations, railing, reviling, corrupt communication out of your mouth,
vile language, etc.

I think you hit it on the head, and really I have not met a Apostolic
or UPCI pastor that says he agrees with Mr. Steve Winter, in fact some
said he was just a false preacher.

Post by Quartus, a brother
Who'd what your jesus, Steve?

You know what he is going to say, that is before or after he curses you
and insults you etc.

My guess is if he behaved in certain countries as he does here, he would
likely be jailed on legitimate civil charges. Fortunately for him, the
American legal system has taken a benevolent view regarding his general
behaviour.

The Chinese have a way of puting people that preach the Bible in Jail,
up to fifteen years in Jail if they live that long. What Mr. Winter
says could get him a long time behind bars. I know the public
newsgroup he post to is no longer is available in China and can not be
seen. He has insulted the Chinese goverment with his Babba remarks. I
told him I would be glad to introduce him to some Communist police and
such and he could tell them what he wants. He has never taken me up on
it.

Post by John Fraser
It's interesting that Mr. Winter quoted from Scripture in another post
what the prerequisite for a bishop or a deacon is. What I find intriguing
in his quote is who recommended him, who approved him, and by whose
authority was he ordained?

Most groups that do ordain also have say that person must renew their
papers each year or it is not accepted.

Post by John Fraser
Cheers,
John

[Pastor Steve Winter]

Post by The true will set you free!
The Chinese have a way of puting people that preach the Bible in Jail,
up to fifteen years in Jail if they live that long. What Mr. Winter
says could get him a long time behind bars. I know the public
newsgroup he post to is no longer is available in China and can not be
seen. He has insulted the Chinese goverment with his Babba remarks. I
told him I would be glad to introduce him to some Communist police and
such and he could tell them what he wants. He has never taken me up on
it.

The filthy false-christian scum Raymond Knapp tells much about
himself in his own words. He seems to get along just fine with
the commies, eh?

I guess Raymond Knapp just couldn't help but to lie again. Also,
real Apostolics teach that baptism is part of the new birth
whereby one becomes a Christian.

The filthy reprobate scum Raymond Knapp does not teach the real
Apostolic doctrine. He also claims to have been saved BEFORE
baptism in a Baptist cult.

From his own words you can see what a filthy, low life, DECEIVER
Raymond Knapp is.

Quoting from http://www.impsmail.org/knapp.html

http://www.impsmail.org/knapp1-15-2005.txt In this USENET post,
Raymond Knapp proves that he is a false preacher when he states,
"One is baptized because they are saved, not to make them saved."

http://www.impsmail.org/rk04102005.txt In this 4/10/2005 USENET
post the devilish deceiver Raymond Knapp states
clearly that he does not believe that the birth of water in John
3:5 refers to baptism

It is one thing to call someone a liar, it is quite another to
PROVE it. Raymond Knapp is a FAKE and a LIAR!

Raymond Knapp is a reprobate spiritual slut trying to put himself
over as "Oneness missionary".

Some of his email harassment and behaviour is documented at
http://www.impsmail.org/knapp.html in case anyone is inclined to
take him seriously.

Can you say "communist sympathizer", Mr. Knapp? Of COURSE the
communists leave you alone, Mr. Knapp, you are their bubba.

Pastor sTeve Winter
--
"Winters, you are a blabbering heretic. In a truly godly
nation you would be executed for publicly promoting your
heretical doctrines." - Tom Albrecht trinitarian deceiver 2000
"Copyright infringement my ***" (obscenity deleted) - Brian Boggs cultist 2000
"lying to mr. winter is just a defense" - Mark Bassett UPC Preacher 1999
"It isnt a salvation issue..." - Mark Bassett 1999 regarding Biblical holiness
"Sorry old man. I never lie, if I, can help it." - Raymond W Knapp 2000
"...God is Triune in nature..." - Raymond W Knapp 2000
",I did get saved in a Southern Baptist Church," - Raymond Knapp 2000
"..you will not fine Mother Teresa in Hell." - Raymond Knapp 2002
"Paul is not God, and never was God." - Knapp showing his contempt for the Word of God 2003
"One is baptized because they are saved, not to make them saved." Raymond Knapp 2005
"...Acts 2:38 is not the plan of Salvation..." - Raymond Knapp 2005
http://www.impsmail.org documents even criminal activity
http://www.pentecostal.biz Apostolic Oneness Pentecostal

[The true will set you free!]

Yes the truth will set you free Steve Winter!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Post by Pastor Steve Winter

Post by The true will set you free!
The Chinese have a way of puting people that preach the Bible in Jail,
up to fifteen years in Jail if they live that long. What Mr. Winter
says could get him a long time behind bars. I know the public
newsgroup he post to is no longer is available in China and can not be
seen. He has insulted the Chinese goverment with his Babba remarks. I
told him I would be glad to introduce him to some Communist police and
such and he could tell them what he wants. He has never taken me up on
it.

The filthy false-christian scum Raymond Knapp tells much about
himself in his own words. He seems to get along just fine with
the commies, eh?

So still showing your ungodly tongue and demon terms, that says a lot
for a wolf in sheep clothing. Then my offer still goes, see me in
Hong Kong in February or later and I will try to get you an appointment
with the Peoples police or the Communist part, so you can tell them
face to face what you want them to hear. Only you will have to go
into mainland China PRC so they can make you feel at home. My words
does say a lot about me, and I would love to help you met them so you
can correct them. Then I would leave you at their office and return
home in Hong Kong were we still have freedom to speak, as Hong Kong is
a wonderful place and the people some of the best in all the world. I
am sorry, I would not let you speak in our churches, as we feel your
filthy language and cursing is not what True Christians do. I again
could introduce you to some of the street gangs that would just love to
join you, then I could not protect you, then you should feel at home
there. I do get along with the Communist and unbelievers, sinners and
the lost, as they know I want to help them and love them all as God so
loved the World, so should his real Pastors do. Then the term
"commies" is about as offensive as the "N" word is in NC or in the
South. I would advice you not to try to call them such in person.
Then you never follow good advice, then their you would reap what you
sow and you would not have to wait too long to find out what that is.
Then stay where you are, as the folks in China don't want you either.

Post by Pastor Steve Winter
I guess Raymond Knapp just couldn't help but to lie again. Also,
real Apostolics teach that baptism is part of the new birth
whereby one becomes a Christian.

So you know believe Apostolic teach one is saved by water, and not the
blood? That one can have the new birth without repenting, accepting,
confessing of their sins etc? Just dump folks in water and they are
saved, is that what you believe? Do you also get baptized every day
for all the foul words you do? Then a bath in a tub is good for the
body, a little soap to wash out your mouth may have helped at one time.
Then run back in get a shower, oh, you can do that as that would not
be enough water to wash away all your sins. Hey, we baptize in the
Ocean so come on over we got lots of water to wash away your sins, as
that is about all you got. That is not what real Apostolic teach, then
who ever said you were real? The UPCI the largest Oneness/Apostolic
group will not give you a license and the Apostolic groups I know like
the AWCF which has over a 120 plus Oneness groups, would not have
anything to do with you either. What Apostolic teach as you do? Why
are you not a member with them if they do teach as you do? I sure you
will not answer these questions, but the readers will see how fake you
are, then I did put back the links you wrote to, but sent the reply to
just one newsgroup.

To them in Hong Kong, I am sorry that this trash had to reach you, but
if you have time this Christmas on December the 24th the Church in
Sheung Shui will be at the Mall and you can enjoy the music and
fellowship of real born again Christians. Three more souls will be
baptized in December. Praise the Lord our Chinese Pastor and Church
baptized 9 in September and 3 in October 3 more, which believed on
Jesus, confessed their sins and went down in the water of Baptism in
the name of Jesus the Lord. Drop by our website for the address and
the link to our Chinese website in Chinese. CGGC. Then on New Years
there be over 20 churches joined together in Fanling/Sheung Shui NT
area for prayer. That will also be in Chinese so place drop me a line
or call Pastor Amos Tsang for more information, our newsletters at
www.pioneers-for-jesus.org has the phone numbers to call, and the link
to the cggc website give you the address and lots of pictures of what
Christ is doing in Hong Kong, China as well as Mainland.


Love you all in Christ Jesus,
Have a Merry Christmas and a wonderful New Years 2007

Raymond Knapp
Missionary http://pioneers-for-jesus.org/pfj/index.php to see the
video clip of what Christ has done in our ministry.

Thank you Steve Winter for posting, as it does give me a reason to
reply, and hope the readers will find the peace of God and love of
Jesus and be born again in Christ Jesus.

Post by Pastor Steve Winter
From his own words you can see what a filthy, low life, DECEIVER
Raymond Knapp is.

Yes do drop in and see and know the real Raymond Knapp and see who the
DECEIVER is really is Mr. Steve Winter at www.pioneers-for-jesus.org

Below shows you really how much Steve Winter is oppressed with me.

Post by Pastor Steve Winter
"Sorry old man. I never lie, if I, can help it." - Raymond W Knapp 2000
"...God is Triune in nature..." - Raymond W Knapp 2000
",I did get saved in a Southern Baptist Church," - Raymond Knapp 2000
"..you will not fine Mother Teresa in Hell." - Raymond Knapp 2002
"Paul is not God, and never was God." - Knapp showing his contempt for the Word of God 2003
"One is baptized because they are saved, not to make them saved." Raymond Knapp 2005
"...Acts 2:38 is not the plan of Salvation..." - Raymond Knapp 2005

All of the above is forgery and taken out of context to show Mr. Winter
does lie and will falsify documents. Then I pray the love of Christ
will save him someday, before he meets God at the Judgment.

[Pastor Steve Winter]

Post by The true will set you free!
and I will try to get you an appointment
with the Peoples police or the Communist part, so you can tell them
face to face what you want them to hear.

I have no doubts regarding your friendly relations with them Mr.
Knapp.

Pastor Winter
--
"Winters, you are a blabbering heretic. In a truly godly
nation you would be executed for publicly promoting your
heretical doctrines." - Tom Albrecht trinitarian deceiver 2000
"Copyright infringement my ***" (obscenity deleted) - Brian Boggs cultist 2000
"lying to mr. winter is just a defense" - Mark Bassett UPC Preacher 1999
"It isnt a salvation issue..." - Mark Bassett 1999 regarding Biblical holiness
"Sorry old man. I never lie, if I, can help it." - Raymond W Knapp 2000
"...God is Triune in nature..." - Raymond W Knapp 2000
",I did get saved in a Southern Baptist Church," - Raymond Knapp 2000
"..you will not fine Mother Teresa in Hell." - Raymond Knapp 2002
"Paul is not God, and never was God." - Knapp showing his contempt for the Word of God 2003
"One is baptized because they are saved, not to make them saved." Raymond Knapp 2005
"...Acts 2:38 is not the plan of Salvation..." - Raymond Knapp 2005
http://www.impsmail.org documents even criminal activity
http://www.pentecostal.biz Apostolic Oneness Pentecostal

[The true will set you free!]

Post by Pastor Steve Winter

Post by The true will set you free!
and I will try to get you an appointment
with the Peoples police or the Communist part, so you can tell them
face to face what you want them to hear.

I have no doubts regarding your friendly relations with them Mr.
Knapp.

Yes, I do have friendly relations with most all people, as I love them
in Christ and as Paul pointed out he is for all people. If you like, I
could check in with some folks in China and let them read your postings
here and what www.stevewinter.com and other links, so they will be
ready for you. I would be glad to help you in any way I can, so you
can get the most out of your trip, if you do come to China.

[Pastor Steve Winter]

here and what <snip of malicious libelous website>

You are a filthy scum Mr. Knapp and thank you for showing
everyone what a malicious false-christian scum you are.

This filthy, accursed trash Raymond Knapp can't begin to defend
himself from his own published words so he engages in malicious
libel.

The filthy reprobate scum Raymond Knapp does not teach the real
Apostolic doctrine. He also claims to have been saved BEFORE
baptism in a Baptist cult.

From his own words you can see what a filthy, low life, DECEIVER
Raymond Knapp is.

Quoting from http://www.impsmail.org/knapp.html

http://www.impsmail.org/knapp1-15-2005.txt In this USENET post,
Raymond Knapp proves that he is a false preacher when he states,
"One is baptized because they are saved, not to make them saved."

http://www.impsmail.org/rk04102005.txt In this 4/10/2005 USENET
post the devilish deceiver Raymond Knapp states
clearly that he does not believe that the birth of water in John
3:5 refers to baptism

It is one thing to call someone a liar, it is quite another to
PROVE it. Raymond Knapp is a FAKE and a LIAR!

Raymond Knapp is a reprobate spiritual slut trying to put himself
over as "Oneness missionary".

Some of his email harassment and behaviour is documented at
http://www.impsmail.org/knapp.html in case anyone is inclined to
take him seriously.

Can you say "communist sympathizer", Mr. Knapp? Of COURSE the
communists leave you alone, Mr. Knapp, you are their bubba.

Pastor sTeve Winter

[Pastor Steve Winter]

Crossposting to off-topic groups, again?

No, John Fraser is just a lying piece of false-christian trash.

Raymond Knapp is actively deceiving souls in Hong Kong pretending
to be a "Oneness missionary".

Isn't it interesting the level of low life scum like Fraser
that would join themselves to Raymond Knapp and lie just like he
does?

Pastor Winter

[Dr. Knapp]

Post by Pastor Steve Winter

here and what <snip of malicious libelous website>

Which one the stevewinter.com or another one, then I have nothing to do
with any of them, just information in public domine that it seems you
do not want others to read.

Post by Pastor Steve Winter
You are a filthy scum Mr. Knapp and thank you for showing
everyone what a malicious false-christian scum you are.

Nope I am washed in the tub with soap and water and in the Spirit by
the Holy Ghost, and clean by the Blood of Jesus of ALL SIN. 1 John
1:5-7

This is the message which we have heard from Him and declare to you,
that God is light and in Him is no darkness at all. 6 If we say that we
have fellowship with Him, and walk in darkness, we lie and do not
practice the truth. 7 But if we walk in the light as He is in the
light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus
Christ His Son cleanses us from all sin. NKJV

Post by Pastor Steve Winter
This filthy, accursed trash Raymond Knapp can't begin to defend
himself from his own published words so he engages in malicious
libel.

I did no such thing, my own published words glorify Jesus Christ as
Lord and I leave your words as is, as in them, is malicious libel and
evil. I do not need to defend myself, I do preach the WORD and God is
the one that defends me.

I do hope all readers will go back to my answer to what Mr. Winter cut
out here. Mr. Winter is a habitual liar and this he proves in each of
his post, so when we understand that, we can find the truth that he
does not want to face. The judgment day will come and he shall reap
what he sows. Amen. Repent and accept Jesus as LORD of you life, and
that you are NOT the LORD and not a person to believe or follow.

If anyone would like to see what Christ has done in my life and why Mr.
Winter does not like me, check out our website and look at the video of
the blessings in Hong Kong.
www.pioneers-for-jesus.org

Raymond

[Pastor Steve Winter]

Post by Dr. Knapp
I did no such thing, my own published words glorify Jesus Christ as
Lord and I leave your words as is,

See the original post as:

"Raymond Knapp, filthy deceiver in Hong Kong"

What a filthy liar we find in this devilish, hypocritical
deceiver Raymond Knapp!

I guess Raymond Knapp just couldn't help but to lie again. Also
real Apostolics teach that baptism is part of the new birth
whereby one becomes a Christian.

The filthy reprobate scum Raymond Knapp does not teach that. He
also claims to have been saved BEFORE baptism in a Baptist cult.

From his own words you can see what a filthy, low life, LIAR
Raymond Knapp is.

Quoting from http://www.impsmail.org/knapp.html

http://www.impsmail.org/knapp1-15-2005.txt In this USENET post,
Raymond Knapp proves that he is a false preacher when he states,
"One is baptized because they are saved, not to make them saved."

http://www.impsmail.org/rk04102005.txt In this 4/10/2005 USENET
post the devilish deceiver Raymond Knapp states
clearly that he does not believe that the birth of water in John
3:5 refers to baptism

It is one thing to call someone a liar, it is quite another to
PROVE it. Raymond Knapp is a FAKE and a LIAR!

Raymond Knapp is a reprobate spiritual slut trying to put himself
over as "Oneness missionary".

Some of his email harassment and behaviour is documented at
http://www.impsmail.org/knapp.html in case anyone is inclined
to take him seriously.

Can you say "communist sympathizer", Mr. Knapp? Of COURSE the
communists leave you alone, Mr. Knapp, you are their bubba.


Pastor sTeve Winter
--
"Winters, you are a blabbering heretic. In a truly godly
nation you would be executed for publicly promoting your
heretical doctrines." - Tom Albrecht trinitarian deceiver 2000
"Copyright infringement my ***" (obscenity deleted) - Brian Boggs cultist 2000
"lying to mr. winter is just a defense" - Mark Bassett UPC Preacher 1999
"It isnt a salvation issue..." - Mark Bassett 1999 regarding Biblical holiness
"Sorry old man. I never lie, if I, can help it." - Raymond W Knapp 2000
"...God is Triune in nature..." - Raymond W Knapp 2000
",I did get saved in a Southern Baptist Church," - Raymond Knapp 2000
"..you will not fine Mother Teresa in Hell." - Raymond Knapp 2002
"Paul is not God, and never was God." - Knapp showing his contempt for the Word of God 2003
"One is baptized because they are saved, not to make them saved." Raymond Knapp 2005
"...Acts 2:38 is not the plan of Salvation..." - Raymond Knapp 2005
http://www.impsmail.org documents even criminal activity
http://www.pentecostal.biz Apostolic Oneness Pentecostal

[f***@yahoo.com]

Dear Pastor why the redirects at first I thought it was one of the
enemy doing the redirect because they could not stand up to your
preaching, but it seems that you are doing this. You are a real
preacher why the fake redirects?

Post by Pastor Steve Winter

Post by Dr. Knapp
I did no such thing, my own published words glorify Jesus Christ as
Lord and I leave your words as is,

"Raymond Knapp, filthy deceiver in Hong Kong"

You should go to Hong Kong and save those poor souls dont you think??
You are a real preacher.
snip

[John Fraser]

Good morning Fake;

Post by f***@yahoo.com
Dear Pastor why the redirects at first I thought it was one of the
enemy doing the redirect because they could not stand up to your
preaching, but it seems that you are doing this. You are a real
preacher why the fake redirects?

Post by Pastor Steve Winter

Post by Dr. Knapp
I did no such thing, my own published words glorify Jesus Christ as
Lord and I leave your words as is,

"Raymond Knapp, filthy deceiver in Hong Kong"

You should go to Hong Kong and save those poor souls dont you think??
You are a real preacher.

I understand he's counting all his money, making plans, getting his
passport updated, private jet fuelled up, and is anticipating to take Hong
Kong by storm. The area is about to be hit by a preacher they won't soon
forget!

Nah, it was just a dream. He doesn't care. He just wants to be treated
like a Billy Graham.

Cheers,
John

[f***@yahoo.com]

Post by John Fraser
Good morning Fake;

Post by f***@yahoo.com
Dear Pastor why the redirects at first I thought it was one of the
enemy doing the redirect because they could not stand up to your
preaching, but it seems that you are doing this. You are a real
preacher why the fake redirects?

Post by Pastor Steve Winter

Post by Dr. Knapp
I did no such thing, my own published words glorify Jesus Christ as
Lord and I leave your words as is,

"Raymond Knapp, filthy deceiver in Hong Kong"

You should go to Hong Kong and save those poor souls dont you think??
You are a real preacher.

I understand he's counting all his money, making plans, getting his
passport updated, private jet fuelled up, and is anticipating to take Hong
Kong by storm. The area is about to be hit by a preacher they won't soon
forget!
Nah, it was just a dream. He doesn't care. He just wants to be treated
like a Billy Graham.
Cheers,
John

LOL It really is about being ticked off because there is not enough
room in the sand box. Of course this is much better then what
Christians use to do to each other when they got ruffled. I still have
to chuckle about the "Church killing all the real christians who had
bibles", history quote. Of course the killing of anyone for theological
reasons is pathetic in the extreme, but Im still trying to figure out
which bibles as most folks could not read nor were books prduced as
they are now.

[John Fraser]

Good morning Fake;

Post by f***@yahoo.com

Post by John Fraser
Good morning Fake;

Post by f***@yahoo.com
Dear Pastor why the redirects at first I thought it was one of the
enemy doing the redirect because they could not stand up to your
preaching, but it seems that you are doing this. You are a real
preacher why the fake redirects?

Post by Pastor Steve Winter

Post by Dr. Knapp
I did no such thing, my own published words glorify Jesus Christ as
Lord and I leave your words as is,

"Raymond Knapp, filthy deceiver in Hong Kong"

You should go to Hong Kong and save those poor souls dont you think??
You are a real preacher.

I understand he's counting all his money, making plans, getting his
passport updated, private jet fuelled up, and is anticipating to take Hong
Kong by storm. The area is about to be hit by a preacher they won't soon
forget!
Nah, it was just a dream. He doesn't care. He just wants to be treated
like a Billy Graham.
Cheers,
John

LOL It really is about being ticked off because there is not enough
room in the sand box. Of course this is much better then what
Christians use to do to each other when they got ruffled. I still have
to chuckle about the "Church killing all the real christians who had
bibles", history quote. Of course the killing of anyone for theological
reasons is pathetic in the extreme, but Im still trying to figure out
which bibles as most folks could not read nor were books prduced as
they are now.

In the days of Wyatt, Tyndale, Luther, et al, many attempts were made to
copy the Bible from Latin into English for the commoner. They were time
consuming to produce and therefore expensive. It would be fair to say that
transcribing them lent itself to translation problems. The printing press
allowed cheaper production in larger quantities. When James became king, he
authorized a common Bible printed for the common folk. Because this is
literally mass production, one couldn't constantly fix errors on the fly.
So, a common translation was necessary and hence the King James version.
The Catholics also adopted it, but retained the omitted Apocropha.

What is interesting with Luther is that when condemned, he asked the
accusing bishop at his trial precisely what was wrong with his writings. He
was never given an answer to his question although the bishop maintained a
blanket condemnation with charges of heresy without specifying what the
heresies were. Those who witnessed the trial departed also wondering what
the heresies were. Officially, no explanation was ever given by the Church.
It was at that point the Catholics began the loss of respect which
catapulted them from the influence they had enjoyed for several centuries.
Of course, King Henry's desire for a divorce put the final nail in the
coffin. In itself, it had nothing to do with Bibles.

It's difficult to say where Mr. Winter would stand if placed as a bishop
into the Church. Much of his angst seems to concern authority.

Cheers,
John

[f***@yahoo.com]

Post by John Fraser
Good morning Fake;

Post by f***@yahoo.com

Post by John Fraser
Good morning Fake;

Post by f***@yahoo.com
Dear Pastor why the redirects at first I thought it was one of the
enemy doing the redirect because they could not stand up to your
preaching, but it seems that you are doing this. You are a real
preacher why the fake redirects?

Post by Pastor Steve Winter

Post by Dr. Knapp
I did no such thing, my own published words glorify Jesus Christ as
Lord and I leave your words as is,

"Raymond Knapp, filthy deceiver in Hong Kong"

You should go to Hong Kong and save those poor souls dont you think??
You are a real preacher.

I understand he's counting all his money, making plans, getting his
passport updated, private jet fuelled up, and is anticipating to take Hong
Kong by storm. The area is about to be hit by a preacher they won't soon
forget!
Nah, it was just a dream. He doesn't care. He just wants to be treated
like a Billy Graham.
Cheers,
John

LOL It really is about being ticked off because there is not enough
room in the sand box. Of course this is much better then what
Christians use to do to each other when they got ruffled. I still have
to chuckle about the "Church killing all the real christians who had
bibles", history quote. Of course the killing of anyone for theological
reasons is pathetic in the extreme, but Im still trying to figure out
which bibles as most folks could not read nor were books prduced as
they are now.

In the days of Wyatt, Tyndale, Luther, et al, many attempts were made to
copy the Bible from Latin into English for the commoner. They were time
consuming to produce and therefore expensive. It would be fair to say that
transcribing them lent itself to translation problems. The printing press
allowed cheaper production in larger quantities. When James became king, he
authorized a common Bible printed for the common folk. Because this is
literally mass production, one couldn't constantly fix errors on the fly.
So, a common translation was necessary and hence the King James version.
The Catholics also adopted it, but retained the omitted Apocropha.

True they were expensive in money which is a big deal and in blood,
which has no meaning what so ever.

Post by John Fraser
What is interesting with Luther is that when condemned, he asked the
accusing bishop at his trial precisely what was wrong with his writings. He
was never given an answer to his question although the bishop maintained a
blanket condemnation with charges of heresy without specifying what the
heresies were. Those who witnessed the trial departed also wondering what
the heresies were. Officially, no explanation was ever given by the Church.
It was at that point the Catholics began the loss of respect which
catapulted them from the influence they had enjoyed for several centuries.
Of course, King Henry's desire for a divorce put the final nail in the
coffin. In itself, it had nothing to do with Bibles.

Luther was very interesting and I believe extremely mentally ill, but
he was effective which is all that ever matters. He helped get rome off
the back of the german princes, which is effective and that alone
justifies all the blood spilled.

Post by John Fraser
It's difficult to say where Mr. Winter would stand if placed as a bishop
into the Church. Much of his angst seems to concern authority.

Mr Winter does the Christain thing, he does what is effective, nothing
at all means anything else, being effective is all that matters. That
and money and power. the rest is really just cannon fodder.

Post by John Fraser
Cheers,
John

[John Fraser]

Good morning;

Post by f***@yahoo.com

Post by John Fraser
Good morning Fake;

Post by f***@yahoo.com

Post by John Fraser
Good morning Fake;

Post by f***@yahoo.com
Dear Pastor why the redirects at first I thought it was one of the
enemy doing the redirect because they could not stand up to your
preaching, but it seems that you are doing this. You are a real
preacher why the fake redirects?

Post by Pastor Steve Winter

Post by Dr. Knapp
I did no such thing, my own published words glorify Jesus Christ as
Lord and I leave your words as is,

"Raymond Knapp, filthy deceiver in Hong Kong"

You should go to Hong Kong and save those poor souls dont you think??
You are a real preacher.

I understand he's counting all his money, making plans, getting his
passport updated, private jet fuelled up, and is anticipating to take Hong
Kong by storm. The area is about to be hit by a preacher they won't soon
forget!
Nah, it was just a dream. He doesn't care. He just wants to be treated
like a Billy Graham.
Cheers,
John

LOL It really is about being ticked off because there is not enough
room in the sand box. Of course this is much better then what
Christians use to do to each other when they got ruffled. I still have
to chuckle about the "Church killing all the real christians who had
bibles", history quote. Of course the killing of anyone for theological
reasons is pathetic in the extreme, but Im still trying to figure out
which bibles as most folks could not read nor were books prduced as
they are now.

In the days of Wyatt, Tyndale, Luther, et al, many attempts were made to
copy the Bible from Latin into English for the commoner. They were time
consuming to produce and therefore expensive. It would be fair to say that
transcribing them lent itself to translation problems. The printing press
allowed cheaper production in larger quantities. When James became king, he
authorized a common Bible printed for the common folk. Because this is
literally mass production, one couldn't constantly fix errors on the fly.
So, a common translation was necessary and hence the King James version.
The Catholics also adopted it, but retained the omitted Apocropha.

True they were expensive in money which is a big deal and in blood,
which has no meaning what so ever.

I made a minor mistake. Many attempts were made to tranlate the Latin
into the common language. English was but one language.

Post by f***@yahoo.com

Post by John Fraser
What is interesting with Luther is that when condemned, he asked the
accusing bishop at his trial precisely what was wrong with his writings.
He
was never given an answer to his question although the bishop maintained a
blanket condemnation with charges of heresy without specifying what the
heresies were. Those who witnessed the trial departed also wondering what
the heresies were. Officially, no explanation was ever given by the Church.
It was at that point the Catholics began the loss of respect which
catapulted them from the influence they had enjoyed for several centuries.
Of course, King Henry's desire for a divorce put the final nail in the
coffin. In itself, it had nothing to do with Bibles.

Luther was very interesting and I believe extremely mentally ill, but
he was effective which is all that ever matters. He helped get rome off
the back of the german princes, which is effective and that alone
justifies all the blood spilled.

Pride goeth before a fall. Something that made an indelible impression
upon Luther when visiting Rome as a monk was his comparison of lifestyles of
monks and bishops. He lived a life of poverty whereas many of the bishops
he encountered lived the life of Reilly. The thought of their oppulence at
the expense of his poverty didn't sit well.

Post by f***@yahoo.com

Post by John Fraser
It's difficult to say where Mr. Winter would stand if placed as a bishop
into the Church. Much of his angst seems to concern authority.

Mr Winter does the Christain thing, he does what is effective, nothing
at all means anything else, being effective is all that matters. That
and money and power. the rest is really just cannon fodder.

Post by John Fraser
Cheers,
John

Absolute power corrupts absolutely.

Cheers,
John

[Dr. Knapp]

Post by Pastor Steve Winter

Post by Dr. Knapp
I did no such thing, my own published words glorify Jesus Christ as
Lord and I leave your words as is,

See the original person at www.pioneers-for-jesus.org and view the
vidieo there and see what God has done and is doing because of my
ministry in Christ Jesus.

NOW to prove Mr. Winter is a habital liar, look at our website and then
read what he has to say below, if he was here, we could cast that demon
out.

Post by Pastor Steve Winter
"Raymond Knapp, filthy deceiver in Hong Kong"
What a filthy liar we find in this devilish, hypocritical
deceiver Raymond Knapp!
I guess Raymond Knapp just couldn't help but to lie again. Also
real Apostolics teach that baptism is part of the new birth
whereby one becomes a Christian.
The filthy reprobate scum Raymond Knapp does not teach that. He
also claims to have been saved BEFORE baptism in a Baptist cult.
From his own words you can see what a filthy, low life, LIAR
Raymond Knapp is.
Raymond Knapp proves that he is a false preacher when he states,
"One is baptized because they are saved, not to make them saved."
post the devilish deceiver Raymond Knapp states
clearly that he does not believe that the birth of water in John
3:5 refers to baptism
It is one thing to call someone a liar, it is quite another to
PROVE it. Raymond Knapp is a FAKE and a LIAR!
Raymond Knapp is a reprobate spiritual slut trying to put himself
over as "Oneness missionary".
Some of his email harassment and behaviour is documented at
Can you say "communist sympathizer", Mr. Knapp? Of COURSE the
communists leave you alone, Mr. Knapp, you are their bubba.

I do care for people, no matter who or where they come from, race or
color, religion, they all need to accept the LORD Jesus as Saviour, and
would love to be their "Bubba" or Pastor. God willing, then God has
been willing and the truth and proof is found in the newsletters with
pictures and such at www.pioneers-for-jesus.org It is a shame that
some call themselves "pastor" when they are only wolfs in sheep
clothing. I ask you the reader to look and check this out to see that
only Jesus can save and loves the lost, so the ministry can reach them
and let the Holy Spirit bring them to Salvation in Christ Jesus.

I love you all in Jesus, and hope all readers are ready for the soon
return of Jesus for His Church.

Raymond

[John Fraser]

Good evening Raymond;

Post by Dr. Knapp

Post by Pastor Steve Winter

Post by Dr. Knapp
I did no such thing, my own published words glorify Jesus Christ as
Lord and I leave your words as is,

See the original person at www.pioneers-for-jesus.org and view the
vidieo there and see what God has done and is doing because of my
ministry in Christ Jesus.
NOW to prove Mr. Winter is a habital liar, look at our website and then
read what he has to say below, if he was here, we could cast that demon
out.

Post by Pastor Steve Winter
"Raymond Knapp, filthy deceiver in Hong Kong"
What a filthy liar we find in this devilish, hypocritical
deceiver Raymond Knapp!
I guess Raymond Knapp just couldn't help but to lie again. Also
real Apostolics teach that baptism is part of the new birth
whereby one becomes a Christian.
The filthy reprobate scum Raymond Knapp does not teach that. He
also claims to have been saved BEFORE baptism in a Baptist cult.
From his own words you can see what a filthy, low life, LIAR
Raymond Knapp is.
Raymond Knapp proves that he is a false preacher when he states,
"One is baptized because they are saved, not to make them saved."
post the devilish deceiver Raymond Knapp states
clearly that he does not believe that the birth of water in John
3:5 refers to baptism
It is one thing to call someone a liar, it is quite another to
PROVE it. Raymond Knapp is a FAKE and a LIAR!
Raymond Knapp is a reprobate spiritual slut trying to put himself
over as "Oneness missionary".
Some of his email harassment and behaviour is documented at
Can you say "communist sympathizer", Mr. Knapp? Of COURSE the
communists leave you alone, Mr. Knapp, you are their bubba.

I do care for people, no matter who or where they come from, race or
color, religion, they all need to accept the LORD Jesus as Saviour, and
would love to be their "Bubba" or Pastor. God willing, then God has
been willing and the truth and proof is found in the newsletters with
pictures and such at www.pioneers-for-jesus.org It is a shame that
some call themselves "pastor" when they are only wolfs in sheep
clothing. I ask you the reader to look and check this out to see that
only Jesus can save and loves the lost, so the ministry can reach them
and let the Holy Spirit bring them to Salvation in Christ Jesus.
I love you all in Jesus, and hope all readers are ready for the soon
return of Jesus for His Church.
Raymond

I took a look at your website, the Dunamai website, JNAHC website, plus
others I've visited previously and made a mental comparison in terms of what
they portray. I'm not judging content.

Are they friendly?
Are they community based?
Do they work with others?
Is the topical sermon content well rounded?

Churches which are people oriented tend to have pastors who take a
personal interest in the welfare of their congregation. They also attract
people who are similar in manner. As a result, they tend to be more
relaxed, more at ease, and more at peace with themselves and their
community. Phil 4:8.

Cheers,
John

[Dr. Knapp]

Post by John Fraser
Good evening Raymond;

Post by Dr. Knapp

Post by Pastor Steve Winter

Post by Dr. Knapp
I did no such thing, my own published words glorify Jesus Christ as
Lord and I leave your words as is,

See the original person at www.pioneers-for-jesus.org and view the
vidieo there and see what God has done and is doing because of my
ministry in Christ Jesus.
NOW to prove Mr. Winter is a habital liar, look at our website and then
read what he has to say below, if he was here, we could cast that demon
out.

Post by Pastor Steve Winter
"Raymond Knapp, filthy deceiver in Hong Kong"
What a filthy liar we find in this devilish, hypocritical
deceiver Raymond Knapp!
I guess Raymond Knapp just couldn't help but to lie again. Also
real Apostolics teach that baptism is part of the new birth
whereby one becomes a Christian.
The filthy reprobate scum Raymond Knapp does not teach that. He
also claims to have been saved BEFORE baptism in a Baptist cult.
From his own words you can see what a filthy, low life, LIAR
Raymond Knapp is.
Raymond Knapp proves that he is a false preacher when he states,
"One is baptized because they are saved, not to make them saved."
post the devilish deceiver Raymond Knapp states
clearly that he does not believe that the birth of water in John
3:5 refers to baptism
It is one thing to call someone a liar, it is quite another to
PROVE it. Raymond Knapp is a FAKE and a LIAR!
Raymond Knapp is a reprobate spiritual slut trying to put himself
over as "Oneness missionary".
Some of his email harassment and behaviour is documented at
Can you say "communist sympathizer", Mr. Knapp? Of COURSE the
communists leave you alone, Mr. Knapp, you are their bubba.

I do care for people, no matter who or where they come from, race or
color, religion, they all need to accept the LORD Jesus as Saviour, and
would love to be their "Bubba" or Pastor. God willing, then God has
been willing and the truth and proof is found in the newsletters with
pictures and such at www.pioneers-for-jesus.org It is a shame that
some call themselves "pastor" when they are only wolfs in sheep
clothing. I ask you the reader to look and check this out to see that
only Jesus can save and loves the lost, so the ministry can reach them
and let the Holy Spirit bring them to Salvation in Christ Jesus.
I love you all in Jesus, and hope all readers are ready for the soon
return of Jesus for His Church.
Raymond

I took a look at your website, the Dunamai website, JNAHC website, plus
others I've visited previously and made a mental comparison in terms of what
they portray. I'm not judging content.

I hope you did enjoy our website and the Dunamai website as that Pastor
is a friend and supporter for many years of our ministry.

Post by John Fraser
Are they friendly?
Are they community based?
Do they work with others?
Is the topical sermon content well rounded?
Churches which are people oriented tend to have pastors who take a
personal interest in the welfare of their congregation. They also attract
people who are similar in manner. As a result, they tend to be more
relaxed, more at ease, and more at peace with themselves and their
community. Phil 4:8.
Cheers,
John

Thank you for droping in and hope you liked the vidieo that Pastor
Bond's made for P.F.Jesus and showed in the Church he pastors.

[John Fraser]

Good morning Raymond;

Post by Dr. Knapp

Post by John Fraser
Good evening Raymond;

Post by Dr. Knapp

Post by Pastor Steve Winter

Post by Dr. Knapp
I did no such thing, my own published words glorify Jesus Christ as
Lord and I leave your words as is,

See the original person at www.pioneers-for-jesus.org and view the
vidieo there and see what God has done and is doing because of my
ministry in Christ Jesus.
NOW to prove Mr. Winter is a habital liar, look at our website and then
read what he has to say below, if he was here, we could cast that demon
out.

Post by Pastor Steve Winter
"Raymond Knapp, filthy deceiver in Hong Kong"
What a filthy liar we find in this devilish, hypocritical
deceiver Raymond Knapp!
I guess Raymond Knapp just couldn't help but to lie again. Also
real Apostolics teach that baptism is part of the new birth
whereby one becomes a Christian.
The filthy reprobate scum Raymond Knapp does not teach that. He
also claims to have been saved BEFORE baptism in a Baptist cult.
From his own words you can see what a filthy, low life, LIAR
Raymond Knapp is.
Raymond Knapp proves that he is a false preacher when he states,
"One is baptized because they are saved, not to make them saved."
post the devilish deceiver Raymond Knapp states
clearly that he does not believe that the birth of water in John
3:5 refers to baptism
It is one thing to call someone a liar, it is quite another to
PROVE it. Raymond Knapp is a FAKE and a LIAR!
Raymond Knapp is a reprobate spiritual slut trying to put himself
over as "Oneness missionary".
Some of his email harassment and behaviour is documented at
Can you say "communist sympathizer", Mr. Knapp? Of COURSE the
communists leave you alone, Mr. Knapp, you are their bubba.

I do care for people, no matter who or where they come from, race or
color, religion, they all need to accept the LORD Jesus as Saviour, and
would love to be their "Bubba" or Pastor. God willing, then God has
been willing and the truth and proof is found in the newsletters with
pictures and such at www.pioneers-for-jesus.org It is a shame that
some call themselves "pastor" when they are only wolfs in sheep
clothing. I ask you the reader to look and check this out to see that
only Jesus can save and loves the lost, so the ministry can reach them
and let the Holy Spirit bring them to Salvation in Christ Jesus.
I love you all in Jesus, and hope all readers are ready for the soon
return of Jesus for His Church.
Raymond

I took a look at your website, the Dunamai website, JNAHC website, plus
others I've visited previously and made a mental comparison in terms of what
they portray. I'm not judging content.

I hope you did enjoy our website and the Dunamai website as that Pastor
is a friend and supporter for many years of our ministry.

Post by John Fraser
Are they friendly?
Are they community based?
Do they work with others?
Is the topical sermon content well rounded?
Churches which are people oriented tend to have pastors who take a
personal interest in the welfare of their congregation. They also attract
people who are similar in manner. As a result, they tend to be more
relaxed, more at ease, and more at peace with themselves and their
community. Phil 4:8.
Cheers,
John

Thank you for droping in and hope you liked the vidieo that Pastor
Bond's made for P.F.Jesus and showed in the Church he pastors.

What caught my eye is that you're with people and everyone seems happy
judging by the smiles. And, there are scenes of everyday life.

Cheers,
John

[Pastor Steve Winter]

Post by The true will set you free!
here and what

See my reply as: "Raymond Knapp, filthy deceiver in Hong Kong"


You are a filthy scum Mr. Knapp and thank you for showing
everyone what a malicious false-christian scum you are.

This filthy, accursed trash Raymond Knapp can't begin to defend
himself from his own published words so he engages in malicious
libel.

The filthy reprobate scum Raymond Knapp does not teach the real
Apostolic doctrine. He also claims to have been saved BEFORE
baptism in a Baptist cult.

From his own words you can see what a filthy, low life, DECEIVER
Raymond Knapp is.

Quoting from http://www.impsmail.org/knapp.html

http://www.impsmail.org/knapp1-15-2005.txt In this USENET post,
Raymond Knapp proves that he is a false preacher when he states,
"One is baptized because they are saved, not to make them saved."

http://www.impsmail.org/rk04102005.txt In this 4/10/2005 USENET
post the devilish deceiver Raymond Knapp states
clearly that he does not believe that the birth of water in John
3:5 refers to baptism

It is one thing to call someone a liar, it is quite another to
PROVE it. Raymond Knapp is a FAKE and a LIAR!

Raymond Knapp is a reprobate spiritual slut trying to put himself
over as "Oneness missionary".

Some of his email harassment and behaviour is documented at
http://www.impsmail.org/knapp.html in case anyone is inclined to
take him seriously.

Can you say "communist sympathizer", Mr. Knapp? Of COURSE the
communists leave you alone, Mr. Knapp, you are their bubba.

Pastor sTeve Winter