Microsoft end of support dates

(snip)

I am happy to back off... but keep in mind I am mostly just
using your own attacks against you.

You aren't using anything against me.

This is part of Snit's 'power' fantasy. Consider: Remember when he
said he wouldn't want to "blackmail" you?
"Maybe I should base it on if Diesel is fair to me... but I do not
want to hold it up as "blackmail" or anything like it." - Snit
That was one of his more hilarious 'power' fantasies ;)

Power failures, more like. Total blackout kind.

It's actually easy to overlook just *how* narcissistic and fantasy
prone Snit is.

Indeed. Simplesnit is nothing more than a seriously mentally deficient
toadie.

--
Everyone has a photographic memory, some just don't have film.

Diesel

2020-07-20 05:51:44 UTC

[snip]

And that assumes you WANT to. There really is no need. If all
you want are bookmarks, for example, what you said with export /
import works fine.

Why bother going through the browser?

It is what he spoke of.

So, he wants to reconfigure his browser each and every time he
changes distros? reinstall all his plugins, if he's using them?
That's all stored in that profile, too, Snit, and you can copy it all
over by following the instructions I provided previously. Well,
unless you're using firefox as it ships, with no changes of any kind,
aside from bookmarks. Do you run your browser completely stock, Snit?

I don't. I have plugins, and I've customized the way in which the
browser runs as well as looks. I like to keep that same style across
all of my computers. Do you really think I'm going to take the time
to manually do that with each and every one of them? Fuck no, I'll do
it once, get it just the way I like it, copy the profile.

I do the same with my linux desktop environments, too, and my
associated software. I have tinycad on every machine here, for
example. That means, they all have to have Wine. So, they get it,
with the configuration I already know works perfectly for my uses. I
only had to set it up once, from there, I copied to each machine. My
MXLinux is also a custom desktop, and I prefer certain things to look
a certain way when I'm loading it for clients. I don't reconfigure
the damn thing everytime I load it, Snit. I copy my desktop
configuration files to the new install, and walla, as if by fucking
magic, it looks and runs just like I wanted, and I didn't have to do
hardly anything.

Another great example of this time saving aspect, Snit. MX Linux 17
had a nice right click, take ownership as user command. it was
removed from the right click in 18 and 19. I added it back, via the
DE one time; I then copied my right click menu configuration file to
each of my other MXLinux based systems, restoring that missing
feature.

My taskbar on MXLlinux is setup like Windows 2000. I have my icons
where you'd expect them to be, clock where you'd expect to find it,
and the fucking taskbar on the bottom of the damn screen; not the top
left as it ships. That's also in a configuration file. You can copy
it to any MXlinux distro of recent versions and get the same result,
without having to touch a fucking thing on the DE side. Logout, login
again, tada!

Work smarter, guys, Not harder.

Afraid to do the files
themselves?

You made that up.

What the fuck, Snit!? That! was a fucking question. Granted, a
smartass 'tone' was completely intended, but a valid question none
the less. You both give me the impression that you're kind of scared
to get in the ditch there and play around. Maybe i'm wrong, but
that's the impression that I get.

And what if your browser is fucked up because of a faulty
plugin? How do you plan to import/export if you cant get the
browser to run, genius? There's several ways you can do it, with
editing text files, to fix your fucked up browser and save all of
your shit as you do so. I'll let you explain to Joel how one
might go about doing that.
:)

You're clueless about it aren't you Snit? :) I'll give you both a few
days, then I'll just spill the beans and tell you. Let me give you a
big helpful hint in the meantime, the file(s) you need to fuck with
are located in your profile.

I thought you said you were a good troubleshooter? Did I
misunderstand you? If the browser was refusing to let you load it,
for whatever reason, but the user wanted to keep his bookmarks and
his plugins, if you didn't make use of the profile folder, how would
you go about getting that information for the client, Snit?

The trouble with the browser, if it's not a binaries corruption issue
(possible, but not likely) is also inside the same folder as the
information you need to get back for the client is. Since you can't
import/export with a dead browser, what's your next option, mr
wizard? If you actually know WTF you're doing, you can save the
entire installation and you won't have to reload anything. Otherwise,
if you can partially half ass it, you should be able to atleast get
the information and plugins they wanted. How would you determine
which plugins they had if you couldn't run the browser Snit?

It's always a good idea to backup your profile just in case a
firefox upgrade borks. That way, you have something to go back
to.

Guys, seriously, If I was alone in this line of thinking, or
otherwise being out of line paranoid, there wouldn't be programs that
already exist that will do this for you. :) You should consider your
profile as part of your backup policy if you have any time at all
invested in your browser configuration. If you run it completely
stock and have exported your bookmarks everytime you add a new one,
ignore my advice; it's not for you.

OTH, if you actually do use your browser, and you've customized it,
you should probably take my advice, unless you want to be doing it
all over again if your profile gets corrupted for any reason, and it
can happen. Easier than you might think.

I'm sorry that both of you for whatever reason see me as the enemy -
That's simply not the case. And it's a shame that you both are so
quick to make assumptions and reach unfounded conclusions concerning
me. No worries though, I won't lose any sleep over it. I don't
actually know either of you, and have no intentions of getting to
know either of you better than I do now. I've seen enough bullshit
from the both of you to last me a considerable amount of time.

You both, or whichever of you would like may have the last word as
far as this is concerned. You're both quite juvenile, dishonest, and
don't even comprehend the meaning of the words honor and integrity.
I'm wasting my time here with you.

--
Why did kamikaze pilots wear helmets?

Diesel

2020-07-20 05:54:44 UTC

[snip]

I don't care about an article you can't even provide a reference
to. I've seen the source code myself, I know what is and isn't the
same between the two, for an absolute fact. Windows Vista IS NOT a
total rewrite. Not only that, I provided two sources (one of which
is directly tied to MS and would certainly know if they actually
started over or not) which also agree with my independent
findings. It's not a total rewrite. That would take much too long
and be a considerable cost on MS that wouldn't be recouped for
years. And if you think Windows is still buggy now with some
hardware, try a from scratch rewrite and you'll see a huge
difference in 'bugs' and compatibility issues that aren't
resolved. As in, tons more, and waiting even longer for
appropriate fixes from MS.

I have pretty much been convinced of what you've said, at least as
far as it not being a total rewrite. But it's not hard to
understand why I'd have believed it was, given that I'd read that
it was and the quality of it before SP2.

I wasn't trying to convince you of anything, either. I was stating
the facts and attempting to educate you, because you were providing
false and otherwise inaccurate information concerning Windows Vista
and it's history.

I'm not sure how my identity is relevant to a discussion of
operating systems.

Hmm. I know Snit has been trying hard to spin things as to my
having a reading comprehension problem here, but, I wasn't
referencing your identity in that comment.

See the quoting at the beginning of this post. You had brought
up my identity in the section of the reply that turned into this
among other sections.

Again, I wasn't referencing your identity. What did I write
specifically that makes you think otherwise?

You brought up my claim that I'm one of the sons of God.

You might want to check the context in which I made that comment,
Joel. I made the comment in reference to having clean hands, as you
made an off handed remark concerning my mental abilities; which was,
as I wrote, out of line, considering what you wrote previously about
being a diety.

If I need to further explain exactly what I meant, just let me know
and I'll try again.

The HexChat fork is commonly used under Linux, but I find it
clunky as hell. The good Linux IRC clients are all console.

So why don't you use BitchX? It's console, and it rocks.

Also, I have mIRC heavily customized with scripts and aliases,
developed in the last 22 years by me. It would be a lot of work
to get a new client as customized.

Great, since you claim to know so much about mIRC, maybe you can
explain to Snit how many bot scripts are available for it, many of
which are far more complex than the bot he's demo'd on IRC. He
doesn't seem to believe me when I tell him this.

If by did what they could, you mean stripped out some older
emulation support for some specific interrupts and tightened down
(more so) some of the extra credit hardware calls you could make,
then sure. Otherwise, it was an intentional effort on the part of
MS to further distance themselves from the legacy code they wanted
dead and buried.
Ever write a classic game engine yourself? A sideways scroller is
usually the easiest one to do for beginners, if you're doing your
own thing and not borrowing from someone else. XP forced me to
spend hours re-writing my pixel generator for the background
effects, because it changed the way in which I was allowed to talk
to the video card vs the way I was able to do so under windows
2000, and the windows 9x family. Now, keep in mind, I'd already
had to rewrite that fucking routine once already due to hardware
call changes from windows 95 to windows 98. And once again,
damnit, for windows98 to windows98se. My code was fine, MS kept
playing hide the pickle on me with the video pages I needed. When
ME came out, My game had a 50/50 chance of loading and playing, or
croaking out as it initialized the welcome screen. Bastards.
Yea, MS really cared about legacy code. <scoff>

I see.

I asked you a question, Joel. Any particular reason you didn't answer
it?

[snip]

It would boot, yeah, but it wasn't as usable as XP remained until
the 7 era. When 7 came out, I quickly abandoned XP.

As I told you, that was due to the hardware issues brought upon the
userbase due to MS major fucking around with various driver related
code; all because they just had to go with the new GUI which looked
like shit, imho. If you had hardware vista liked in vanilla version,
your machine would run quite well on it, considering. If you were one
of the others, which was by far greater in number, then you'd
probably run into all kinds of problems with the vanilla version.
Updated drivers and eventual service packs would clear up most of the
issues.

[snip]

If your machine couldn't run it plain vanilla, you had hardware
vista didn't support fully/or at all just yet. Vista was, again,
rushed to soon. Despite the time they spent working on it, it was
introduced to market before it was really ready.

So you acknowledge my basic point, that it wasn't really complete,
I dare say until SP2 (and by then 7 was about to be publicly
released anyway).

No, that's not what I wrote, either, Joel. An OS these days is never
complete, that's why we're now on "Windows 10". It's not a total
rewrite either. Awful though it is, still not a total rewrite. It's
actually based on (gross, I know!) windows 8 codebase. And well, you
know how great that one was, right? <G>

Your original point was that you thought it was a complete rewrite,
and we've wasted countless bytes arguing that back and forth for
sometime now; the only gain is that you finally understand it wasn't
what you thought it was, but that was only after you were basically
cornered by myself and another poster. I suspect if the other poster
had continued to remain silent on the issue, you'd still try to
defend your claim that it's a total rewrite.

I maintained from the getgo, it's not what you thought it was, and I
explained why it had so many problems that sp's eventually for the
most part, fixed, but that still depended some on hardware
manufacturer support/cooperation. Not all was forthcoming, especially
when Windows 7 was no longer considered vaporware.

I really enjoy arguing what's under the hood in software with
people who don't code. And have no real concept of what it takes
to write let alone support an OS used by so many people on so many
different hardware configurations. I really do. I bet it's like
the mechanic who has a customer that proceeds to tell them how the
engine works in their car, but for some silly reason, can't just
go ahead and do the repairs themselves. And no, said customer was
talking out of their ass concerning how the modern engine runs in
their car; aside from getting the fact it's still using a spark to
detonate fuel right.

I never disputed that Microsoft has a challenge in terms of
supporting a lot of hardware. That's pretty obvious, in fact. I
do have an understanding of software development, though.

software development from an application standpoint is nothing like
that of OS development. And if you really understood what I was
writing about, you wouldn't have claimed Vista was a total rewrite in
the first place. It wouldn't have made any sense, for the reasons
both parties in those articles I shared did, as well as myself. The
three of us, and countless more no doubt, do understand what's
involved in such an undertaking. You clearly, didn't.

You might now, and I hope you do, but you clearly didn't when you
made your comments.

Your comment reminds me of a rather funny tagline. Hopefully, I
don't totally destroy it paraphrasing. "Any sufficiently advanced
technology appears to be like magic to those who've never seen it
before and/or don't understand it."

I've heard that expression, but I don't see its relevance to this.

Think on it, it'll come to you.

It's easier to fool people who lack a solid coding background and
don't have years of reverse engineering experience on the
professional level. Those of us who do though, nah, not so easy to
fool us. Much less so when we have the source code to compare
with; we could do it without, but that saves alot of time. :)

2000 was perfectly usable from day one, and so was XP, and so was
7. Vista is unique in not being that.

That's why Windows 2000 had four service packs officially, and XP had
three official ones. All three were perfectly usable from day one, so
long as you had the friendly hardware for them out of the box. If you
didn't, they didn't behave so well on your particular machine.

Vista wasn't that bad, again, so long as you had hardware it
supported well in it's original release. That was no different than
other OSes released between hardware technology changes. The GUI
itself was fucking horrible, but it was still built on a solid
codebase, that of XP. And had they not been so forceful with that
damn gui change, they could have taken more time to properly hack the
hell out of the driver code sections so it would have supported more
hardware in it's vanilla release.

MS put a lot of extra work on the manufacturers by changing the
driver code sections as they did, and didn't really give them enough
time to re-roll Vista specific drivers for all their peripherals.
Especially considering that Windows 7 was already under construction,
and various people in the hardware fields knew this. They also knew
that some of the hardware was pre-vista days, so they didn't see much
point in investing more funds to bring the older stuff upto snuff,
when they could use the opportunity to say, sell you a new printer
instead.

It's not funny to me. I was there, I know the back story. I was in
the trenches at the time. heh. There usual schedule? When has MS
released a stable OS on time?

The usual period of time is about three years. XP didn't take
quite that long because it was a continuation of the work on 2000,
but Vista took much longer than usual.

OMFG, Listen, when you're an OEM, MS insists you begin loading
vanilla versions of the new flag ship OS a few months, or longer,
before it becomes available to the retail channels. I've yet to see
MS release a single OS that's modern which worked on all available
hardware at the time, without issue, in it's vanilla version. And,
I've seen thousands of machines, Joel. Well, hundreds of thousands by
now, but that's besides the point.

OEMs would often use the several months or longer time to work out
bugs with the systems due to the new OS. Usually having to do with
drivers for various hardware components that Vista wasn't doing well
with, 1st release to OEMS out of beta.

I realize you said you knew Windows pretty damn good, but, I bet
you, I know all kinds of things like what I shared above that you
probably know nothing about. And, I wouldn't expect you to know a
damn thing about the above; that's something you may have picked
up as a field technician, though - If you got curious about the
iso's you kept on the file server for easier repair/reload
situations.

Actually, I was aware of how the ISOs are generated for the
various editions, I didn't have a need to mess with them, but I
did look at the files on the disk that distinguish what edition
it's for.

The files I spoke of don't have anything to with distinguishing an
edition, except for an ini file; and that's for the retail/oem
difference for product key entry. Re-read what I wrote. They have to
do with OEM branding/product activation routines. All of the dvd/cds
MS shipped with XP could load ANY of the versions of XP on your
system, it depended on the product key you used, and a certain .ini
file.

Since you claimed to already be aware of what I wrote about, if I
were to ask you what the filenames were in question, and exactly how
many there are, as well as their locations on the iso, you'd be able
to tell me, right? Cause, well, I'm asking. I'm also asking which
file(s) have to be changed (and how you change them) to convert from,
say, XP Home to PRO, or XP Pro to XP Pro VLK (otherwise known as
corporate edition - it's XP pro with the product activation routines
completely disabled. It doesn't even trip if you do massive hardware
changes; quite nice for XP actually).

Well, Joel?

[snip]

Is it supposed to matter? I found your anecdote interesting, but
it's not particularly relevant to me.

Sure, if you know a system as well as you claim to, I'd think you'd
know (or want to) about a way for malware or any other type of
software to be introduced, in a semi permanent manner with full admin
rights on a clean install. That's not even the least bit interesting
to know about?

The actual interface between windows98 if you turned
Activedesktop off and windows 2000 weren't that much
different...

The basic GUI was about the same, yeah, but what about comparing
the little toy box that popped up with Ctrl-Alt-Del under 98, to
2000's Task Manager? That was a big upgrade for me.

Entirely different things, too, despite the appearances.

Yeah, which is why I was more than ready for 2000 at the time.
I'd suffered enough with primitive OSes.

You didn't have to wait for 2000 for a native multithreaded
multitasking OS, Os/2 warp had been available for years, and, well,
Windows 2000 and prior owe a lot of their stability to os/2warp; it's
forked code from it.

--
Climate is what we expect, weather is what we get.

Diesel

2020-07-20 05:54:45 UTC

And that assumes you WANT to. There really is no need. If all
you want are bookmarks, for example, what you said with export /
import works fine.

Why bother going through the browser? Afraid to do the files
themselves?

Do you not realize that when you export the bookmarks to a file,
that they can be restored instantly, just as they were? What's
wrong with doing it that way? Why do you have to pretend that
your method is in any way better?

Okay. How about this then. Are you running a completely stock
browser? Have you customized it in any way shape or form? Are you
using any plugins? Do you want to redo all of that shit when you
change distros, or OSes entirely for that matter? If you do, then
fine, do things the way you have been. If you'd rather not, do things
the way I told you, and you'll be pleasantly rewarded for your time.

Not everyone is worried about issues like that. I've used Firefox
for many years without a problem.

Good for you. I've only experienced two local hard disk failures on
my own hardware in thirty something years, myself. But, I've known
many clients throughout the years that weren't as fortunate as i've
been, and didn't have sound backup policies in place; they lost
things as a result, sometimes, irreplaceable things.

While I'm grateful for that, it doesn't mean I forgo backing up
important things in the event it does happen, or, something else
happens that could cause loss of data.

Joel, people have written apps to do this for you, it's important
enough that it should be done. Firefox has borked profiles with
updates in the past.

And again, if you're unable to start the browser for any reason, your
goto method won't do you any good. The one I suggested will still
save your arse.

/home/joel/.mozilla/firefox/ykx1bc5f.default-release/bookmarkbackup
s Take your pick. No browser interaction required. The profile
unless you state different will be under your home folder. So
regardless of distro/non distro firefox, they're going to access
the same profile!
It's always a good idea to backup your profile just in case a
firefox upgrade borks. That way, you have something to go back to.

It's not a bad idea, sure, but it's not always necessary.

Unless you never empty your cache, and have a large allocation for
it, the profile folder contents isn't going to be insane. And,
really, unless you're running a completely stock browser, why
wouldn't you go ahead and backup everything unique and distinct about
it? If you've seriously modded it's configuration, do you want to do
that all over again every time you load it on another box, distro,
OS, whatever?

Dude, did you know you could copy the profile from your windows/linux
pc to your android phone (if you can get the correct permissions on
your phone) and it'll work there too? [g]

This is the way apps should be written. This is the way some apps
were written, back in the day. It allowed them to be portable,
reliable, and you could 'fix' them if they fucked their
data/configuration up, because the files themselves were human
readadable text files. Readable by humans in the sense you can open
it with say, Notepad. I make no claims that you'll understand a
single line of a single thing you'd be looking at, only that you can
look at it and make changes.

If it helps, I think you'd have a better chance of understanding it
than Snit. I'm only going by what I've seen from both of your posts
though, so I could still be quite wrong.

--
Initiative comes to those who wait.

Snit

2020-07-20 06:09:00 UTC

And that assumes you WANT to. There really is no need. If all
you want are bookmarks, for example, what you said with export /
import works fine.

Why bother going through the browser? Afraid to do the files
themselves?

Okay.

Glad you now understand.

Post by Diesel
How about this then. Are you running a completely stock
browser? Have you customized it in any way shape or form? Are you
using any plugins? Do you want to redo all of that shit when you
change distros, or OSes entirely for that matter? If you do, then
fine, do things the way you have been. If you'd rather not, do things
the way I told you, and you'll be pleasantly rewarded for your time.

You really don't understand at all what he is talking about. It is
amazing to see.

Hint: he is speaking of using it for a SHORT time, and he does not have
any need for those things based on WHAT HE SAID.

Please TRY to understand what you read. Just try.

Not everyone is worried about issues like that. I've used Firefox
for many years without a problem.

Good for you.

But above you show no real understanding of that.

And below you babble about things which are not relevant. Maybe Joel has
great backups. Maybe he does not. But it is not relevant to the
conversation.

You repeatedly talk about things to try to impress and to change the
topic from what you clearly are failing to understand.

Post by Diesel
I've only experienced two local hard disk failures on
my own hardware in thirty something years, myself. But, I've known
many clients throughout the years that weren't as fortunate as i've
been, and didn't have sound backup policies in place; they lost
things as a result, sometimes, irreplaceable things.
While I'm grateful for that, it doesn't mean I forgo backing up
important things in the event it does happen, or, something else
happens that could cause loss of data.
Joel, people have written apps to do this for you, it's important
enough that it should be done. Firefox has borked profiles with
updates in the past.
And again, if you're unable to start the browser for any reason, your
goto method won't do you any good. The one I suggested will still
save your arse.

How many times has Joel spoken poorly of such a method. How many times
has he said he is against it.

He is speaking about a solution for what he is doing NOW. One that
serves his needs fine.

Please try to understand that. It is not a hard concept!

It's not a bad idea, sure, but it's not always necessary.

For the reasons he has said and you fail to understand. Why should he
repeat them for you AGAIN?

Post by Diesel
If you've seriously modded it's configuration, do you want to do
that all over again every time you load it on another box, distro,
OS, whatever?
Dude, did you know you could copy the profile from your windows/linux
pc to your android phone (if you can get the correct permissions on
your phone) and it'll work there too? [g]
This is the way apps should be written. This is the way some apps
were written, back in the day. It allowed them to be portable,
reliable, and you could 'fix' them if they fucked their
data/configuration up, because the files themselves were human
readadable text files. Readable by humans in the sense you can open
it with say, Notepad. I make no claims that you'll understand a
single line of a single thing you'd be looking at, only that you can
look at it and make changes.

And off you go babbling about things only tangentially related. Not that
they are not good ideas, but they are not relevant (nor unknown).

Post by Diesel
If it helps, I think you'd have a better chance of understanding it
than Snit. I'm only going by what I've seen from both of your posts
though, so I could still be quite wrong.

And here you go assuming that understanding the portability of profile
folders and other settings is somehow special and not understood.

I guess it is a step above your pride in having done "things" with a
computer with no mouse. LOL!

--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They
cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel
somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

Diesel

2020-07-20 05:54:45 UTC

Of course there
should be a way to copy those files, but it wouldn't be any
less trouble than just putting in my Gmail password, etc., to
the various sites I use. Bookmarks would just be a simple
export and import from the Ubuntu Firefox to the Mozilla
generic Linux Firefox. But neither method is worthwhile since
Ubuntu releases updates to Firefox regularly.

Makes sense. And what you explained to me was concise, on topic,
and explained your situation and the details of the secondary
install just fine.

Not really. He didn't know enough about the OS and assumed things
which just weren't true.

Bullshit. *You* "assumed things" about my knowledge "which just
weren't true". You put words in my mouth, you've done it multiple
times in this thread on multiple subjects.

I assumed nothing about you, Joel.

or his /home folder or damn
near any other place he wants. And he can, whenever he likes, copy
the distro browsers info to the non distro version. His history,
the cookies, bookmarks, even the fucking cache itself if he
actually wanted it for some reason. Again, he wouldn't have told
you no and given you a lazy generic reason for why if he really
knew the OS as well as he lets on.

He doesn'tseem to know the folders location or the actual names of
the fileshe needs to copy.

And you responded with this:

I could find that out, though, if it were important to me.

***

Fact is, you don't currently know the location to your browsers
profile right?

And you responded with this:

I haven't had a reason to investigate that, but it would be trivial
to do, I'm quite sure.
*** end

Snit showed you how to ask your browser to tell you where it was
presently storing it's profile data. You provided the results and

Fact is, you don't currently know the location to your browsers
profile right?

In case he does not, it will give him the direct path in Help >
Troubleshooting under "Profile Folder".
See: this might be a better way to move things along faster --
there is a good chance he DOES know, but in case he does not that
right there will tell him. Perhaps you did not know that method to
quickly find it. Maybe you did.

And you responded to snit with this:

Your method did work within seconds. This is a line in the
Troubleshooting Information page:

Profile Directory
/home/joel/.mozilla/firefox/ykx1bc5f.default-release

*** end snippit

So enough with your bullshit, Joel. I didn't misunderstand a single
thing you wrote, and prior to my telling you (and snit showing you
another way to find it) you had no idea where your profile
information was kept. You were fucking around with the binaries, and
you didn't even realize you could tell Linux not to hold your hand,
that you actually do know what you're doing and it's okay to let you
perform a write. Linux works one of two ways, it babysits you (a
modern distro), or you 0wn the machine. Your choice, but it's one or
the other.

Incidently, I know Snit tossed you a lifeline with the portable
version instructions from 2017. I know it's a lifeline and it's not
what you were originally writing about because you specifically
mentioned the distro vs non distro but official MZ versions. Well, MZ
(Mozilla) doesn't release any portable firefox versions. And, it
doesn't get 'installed' - that would defeat the purpose.

And, the portable version doesn't know anything about your already
existing installation - which includes your already existing profile.
it's entirely self contained. You can add your information to it if
you'd like and carry it with you on a USB stick from system to
system.

You could, if you so desired unarchive it off a folder off home,
sure, but you wouldn't be installing it, and it wouldn't be affected
in any way shape or form by anything Ubuntu does. It also wouldn't
most likely self update to a later edition, you'd have to do that
process yourself and run the 3rd party tools all over again to make
it portable.

How is what I wrote not as concise and clear as what he wrote to
you? Further, I provided you more specific information than he did.
He was of the mistaken impression that he couldn't load the non
distro version and copy all of his things over to it.

You have a strong tendency to put words in my mouth. Of course there
should be a way to copy those files, but it wouldn't be any less
trouble than just putting in my Gmail password, etc., to the various
sites I use. Bookmarks would just be a simple export and import from
the Ubuntu Firefox to the Mozilla generic Linux Firefox. But neither
method is worthwhile since Ubuntu releases updates to Firefox
regularly.
***

Joel, are you running firefox plain jane as it ships from your
distro, aside from your own bookmarks? Are you using any 3rd party
plugins? If not, then sure, go about things the long way if you'd
like. Otherwise, cp your profile and you get to keep everything as it
presently is, along with your bookmarks, browser history, cookies,
cache, etc. Plugins, too. Yes, and whatever configuration changes
you've made to the browser and/or it's look and feel.

Or, do you just redo all that everytime you change distros or OSes?
Did you know the profile itself is OS independent, Joel? You could
keep a copy on USB and migrate from Windows to Linux, or from Linux
back to Windows.

If you opt to go with the portable version, you can give it a copy of
your profile off your home folder, and it can look and function just
like your presently installed version, the only difference is, you
can cp it's folder to a usb stick and bring it with you, it's
entirely self contained, will run right off that stick if you wanted.

You've been vague with what you've written, and I suspect at this
point it's been intentional so you can play as if you know more than
you actually do, so when someone, like me, basically calls out the
stupid remarks you made previously, you can try and play the game of
'I didn't say that, that's not what I actually meant. I already knew
that, I was just checking to see if you did." You both, really do,
need to find a new audience if that's how you want to play things.
Nobody here, aside from Asshat David Brooks (BoaterDave) the stalker
is going to bother with it, and even he's not actually that stupid -
he's the kind of guy who follows the any enemy of my enemy is a
friend of mine line of thought. He's out for himself.

He wasn't aware of the fact that his profile has been in his home
folder the entire time. Infact, he told you it wasn't there and
the non distro would go there and that's why he didn't want to use
the non distro version. He was wrong.

You're just making that up. The profile's location isn't relevant
to what I was talking about with Snit. The point is that the
generic Linux Firefox would not automatically use the Ubuntu
Firefox's profile. You brought up the fact that I could copy it
to the generic Firefox's folder, which I never disputed, but it
wasn't the issue I was discussing with Snit.

I didn't make anything up. YOU DID NOT KNOW where it was kept. I
provided two examples of you demonstrating that in this reply. So,
quit trying to BS your actual knowledge here. You'll do no better
than Pooh or Snit did.

The generic firefox is not the portable 'version' Snit tossed you a
life raft with, there, Joel. That's made portable via 3rd party
tools; Mozilla doesn't offer a 'portable firefox'. And, the generic
one as offered from Mozilla will not install into your /home folder
by default, no.

And it's location is relevant. If you went with the generic installed
Firefox, it already knows where to look for an existing profile. It
would have used it. You wouldn't have lost anything. But, if you used
the DE via software package manager to get the generic version, the
OS is now aware of it directly and will attempt to keep you updated;
as well as your OS version if you didn't opt to overwrite it with the
generic one. The only real difference between the two of them, as I
told you previously, is going to be branding.

There's also a 'fix' for the auto update that you can invoke via CLI
or via the DE to specifically tell your OS to keep certain packages
at the version they are as is now, not to update them for any reason
unless you specifically say it's okay later. Use that option with
caution, obviously. If you get yourself too far behind on some
things, you may not easily be able to advance yourself along.

Oh, and btw, the profile folder isn't where your firefox binaries
are stored, either. Overwriting the contents of your profile
folder does NOT touch the binaries. They are located in another
place on the machine.

No one suggested otherwise. I don't understand how that isn't
clear to you.

Why were you fucking around where the distro's firefox binaries are
stored?

I've made no false assumptions and I understand him just fine. He
isn't as familiar with Linux as he's lead various people here to
think. He's an end user who recently learned his mozilla profile
has been chilling in his home folder the entire time. That's
hardly an 'expert' linux user, Snit.

That is the kind of crap that led to my first reply to you in the
thread, when I got heated. I'm trying not to, this time, but
you're not making it easy, because you're lying about me.

No, I'm not.

And you responded with this:

I don't claim to know Linux all that well, actually. I learn what I
need to install and use it, but I knew a lot more about Windows. I
was a Windows fan, I was a poster in aco.windows-10, one of the
groups in this thread, before I switched to Linux. Microsoft lost
my support with their horrible Windows 10 indefinite beta test.

*** end share

You inferred that you actually had some knowledge concerning Linux,
on several occasions. Now, well, we know that you're an end user of
Linux, you hardly know the basics concerning where things are
normally kept. There's actually a 'semi order' to the
folder/directory structure too, Joel. Just like with Windows, just
the linux way.

Your heated, and smartassed reply is why I'm semi being a bit of a
dick about this entire thing. What did you expect, though; you
claimed I was an imbecile, amongst other lovely things. I figured,
I'd take a little time out of my busy day and show you (well, the
audience) that sometimes, well, maybe, one should take a moment and
ponder on whether or not what they wrote, while heated or otherwise,
is going to be something they can actually defend... Especially if,
as has happened with you, they get called out on it and expose their
wannabe IT knowledge for the usenet community (well, these newsgroups
anyway) to see. I've read several threads by you, where you've been
passing yourself off as having considerably more knowledge than I've
been able to demonstrate as you actually having, first hand.

Next time you decide to call someone a series of colorful names as
you did with one of your first replies to me, make sure you actually
can back your statements up. I'd hate for yet another actual,
technician who didn't flunk the fuck out, take you to school as I've
done here. Have a nice Day!

--
Humans: Creatures subservient to cats.

Snit

2020-07-20 06:20:38 UTC

Makes sense. And what you explained to me was concise, on topic,
and explained your situation and the details of the secondary
install just fine.

Not really. He didn't know enough about the OS and assumed things
which just weren't true.

Bullshit. *You* "assumed things" about my knowledge "which just
weren't true". You put words in my mouth, you've done it multiple
times in this thread on multiple subjects.

I assumed nothing about you, Joel.

Sure you did.
If you want a new start I think that is great. Sincerely. I know I would
welcome it and I assume Joel would, too. I do not think he would hold a
grudge.

But you do not want to begin. You want to rehash. Snipped away. I know I
do not care. Maybe Joel will.

But either way, if you want a fresh start -- to begin again -- I am
happy to give you another chance.

...

Diesel

2020-07-23 10:31:01 UTC

[snip]

Bullshit. *You* "assumed things" about my knowledge "which just
weren't true". You put words in my mouth, you've done it
multiple times in this thread on multiple subjects.

I assumed nothing about you, Joel.

Sure you did.

Er, Nope. I didn't. If anything, I over estimated his technical
knowledge; after reading a thread in another newsgroup where he
thinks MS blacklisted him for writing poorly of them as an IRC exit
message. Your friend is a few cans short of six pack, on a coherent,
Day, Snit.

And his linux knowledge evidently isn't much better than his
knowledge of Windows. (vista, a rewrite, rofl...,WIndows 10 marked
his NTFS partition. Umm, unless he's dual booting, reformatting for
a linux based file system would have taken care of any ntfs marks.
rofl). As far as his mainboard being super unique to tie him to
something with MS, possible... they can be serialized to a point,
but, if he's got a valid key, MS isn't blacklisting him. Amusing
that he thinks random freezes are a blacklisting. Uhh, no, If you're
actually blacklisted; you are told as much, quite plainly. It
doesn't play games by simulating a system failure.

And well, he didn't even want to discuss the troubleshooting steps
he's already taken, nor make any effort to fix his previous linux
distro's inability to burn an andio cd. Wouldn't even share the
error (s) he was getting with us. I over estimated him, Snit.

He should be more careful who he calls uses colorful adjectives to
try and be snarky with in the future. I understand why he dropped
out. He was already too much for him. And, if he was actually the
assistant to the teacher, that does NOT speak volumes for the
classes overall intelligence or the teachers ability to educate.
It's quite saddening that Joel was their best result - dropping out
excluded.

Some troubleshooting skills he's shown here, Snit. rofl.

Post by Snit
If you want a new start I think that is great. Sincerely. I know I
would welcome it and I assume Joel would, too. I do not think he
would hold a grudge.

A new start?

Post by Snit
But you do not want to begin. You want to rehash. Snipped away. I
know I do not care. Maybe Joel will.

rehash? Oh, you mean, hold you accountable for the lies you told:
Yea, I still want that apology, and you do owe me one.

Post by Snit
But either way, if you want a fresh start -- to begin again -- I
am happy to give you another chance.

You seem to be more than slightly confused. It's YOU who owes me,
Snit. Not the other way around.

And if you think Ftr or Apd were snowed by it, think again:

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/alt.computer.workshop/CMDEeUQncxQ%5B101-125%5D

Snit attack begin:
Message-ID: <***@mid.individual.net>
http://al.howardknight.net/?ID=159549546800

Apd Reply:
Message-ID: <rbvkfm$vrq$***@apd.eternal-september.org>
http://al.howardknight.net/?ID=159549554500

Snit replytoApd:
Message-ID: <***@mid.individual.net>
http://al.howardknight.net/?ID=159549562900

My replytosnit1:
Message-ID: <***@u2JS322U0c78023XwgUbQ6tY5xp.uji4zu4>
http://al.howardknight.net/?ID=159549589200

Snitreplytome1:
Message-ID: <***@mid.individual.net>
http://al.howardknight.net/?ID=159549601800

Apdreplytosnit:
Message-ID: <rc7i2q$an4$***@apd.eternal-september.org>
http://al.howardknight.net/?ID=159549611800

SnitreplytoApd:
Message-ID: <***@mid.individual.net>
http://al.howardknight.net/?ID=159549619400

FtrReplyaboutit:
Message-ID: <rc7uo0$hl$***@gioia.aioe.org>
http://al.howardknight.net/?ID=159549632500

MyreplytoSnit:
Message-ID: <***@HHBBpXUm053.y616suD5Ccbu.g32pu7d>
http://al.howardknight.net/?ID=159549651200

Apdreplytosnit:
Message-ID: <rcbqfm$pj4$***@apd.eternal-september.org>
http://al.howardknight.net/?ID=159549668500

SnitreplytoApd:
Message-ID: <***@mid.individual.net>
http://al.howardknight.net/?ID=159549677200

Apdreplytosnit:
Message-ID: <rccv08$qch$***@apd.eternal-september.org>
http://al.howardknight.net/?ID=159549688000

Snit replytoApd:
Message-ID: <***@mid.individual.net>
http://al.howardknight.net/?ID=159549701200

Apdreplytosnit:
Message-ID: <rce2o7$1000$***@gioia.aioe.org>
http://al.howardknight.net/?ID=159549710300

SnitreplytoApd:
Message-ID: <***@mid.individual.net>
http://al.howardknight.net/?ID=159549720200
https://groups.google.com/forum/message/raw?msg=alt.computer.workshop/CMDEeUQncxQ/XaZcVP9yBQAJ

ApdReplytoSnit:
Message-ID: <rcfmha$rjs$***@apd.eternal-september.org>
http://al.howardknight.net/?ID=159549737900

--
Cats must stick their paws under the bathroom door when it is closed and snag anything.

Diesel

2020-07-24 07:13:50 UTC

[snip]

Bullshit. *You* "assumed things" about my knowledge "which
just weren't true". You put words in my mouth, you've done it
multiple times in this thread on multiple subjects.

I assumed nothing about you, Joel.

Sure you did.

Er, Nope. I didn't.

Not that you understand... but remember, as has been shown
repeatedly you have a hard time understanding a lot of what you
read.

Heh, yet you can't provide MID(s) to back that statement up. And, you
can't explain the videos I've shared, which discount your statement.

What does that leave you with? <G>

Here's those videos again. Rememeber, it's a homebrew circuit, designed
by me. From scratch. If what you've been writing about me was true, I
wouldn't have been able to do that, or work on the computers I've
serviced this week.

jacobs ladder variable frequency, amplitude and duty cycle effects

jacobs ladder and circuit description

Well Snit? Reading comprehension issues aren't selective. I can't
understand material intended for circuit design if I had the problem
with reading comprehension that you claim I do. In all actuality, we've
seen plenty of examples where you don't understand very simple things
and many posts are required to dumb it down for you. The AZ thread is a
perfect example of what you've been trying to project as a problem with
me. The problem isn't with me, it's with you, and it's a medical
condition, so it's out of your control, but it is something you do
have, and I'm sure you're well aware of it. I'm certain it's affected
you since childhood. Much like ADD and ADHD affects some children, much
more so if the "children" are around my age now.

Reading comprehension isn't selective Snit. If I had the issue you
claim, I wouldn't do any better with electrical work, electronics and
pc repair, I'd suck at those too. Yet, somehow, as if by magic, I'm
quite good with both. That jacobs ladder is producing about 20kv give
or take 5kv, snit. How do you suppose I know that if I can't comprehend
what I read? You won't see a sticker anywhere in the video claiming
that output (any output) voltage. Yet, I know what it is, within 5kv.
How might I know that, snit?

Now, then, onto your next wiseass remark concerning Joel...

If anything, I over estimated your friends actual technical knowledge.
And, that's been confirmed by him over the past few days. Everything
from changing an OS out to burn an audio cd (well, that is one way of
fixing an issue. but uhh, most people don't reload or swap out an
entire OS to fix a software issue; and I really don't know any actual
technicians who would have gone that route. Not a single one comes to
mind, infact.)

Not exactly sure what you hope to get out of demonstrating to so
many people how immature you are. Maybe you think it is the only
way you can build the coalitions you so clearly want. Interesting.

I was waiting for you to bring up your coalition accusation again. That
is your backup plan when things turn to shit for you here and various
other places I've been xposting to, isn't it? I asked you about that
awhile back and you didn't respond to my question.

You aren't actually making sense here, either. If I was a immature
child throwing a tantrum, how would that help me in any way to build a
"coalition" against you? Who's going to follow some peckerwood who
flies off at the handle and can't get a grip? I wouldn't. I don't know
anyone who actually would. (off subject for a second, political rant! ;
I'm not trump, and I don't have a job he can fire me from if I piss him
off, so I don't have to lick his asshole clean ; your description of
myself is more accurate when applied to our current president)

--
Is it called a blow job because you inflate it with your mouth?

Diesel

2020-07-24 12:59:39 UTC

Snit <***@gallopinginsanity.com> news:***@mid.individual.net Fri, 24 Jul 2020 07:46:45 GMT
in alt.computer.workshop, wrote:

Here's those videos again. Rememeber, it's a homebrew circuit,
designed by me. From scratch. If what you've been writing about me
was true, I wouldn't have been able to do that, or work on the
computers I've serviced this week.

http://youtu.be/Uh_Df8tsH4M
jacobs ladder variable frequency, amplitude and duty cycle effects

http://youtu.be/tU05nXWYr88
jacobs ladder and circuit description

Well Snit? Reading comprehension issues aren't selective. I can't
understand material intended for circuit design if I had the problem
with reading comprehension that you claim I do. In all actuality,
we've seen plenty of examples where you don't understand very simple
things and many posts are required to dumb it down for you. The AZ
thread is a perfect example of what you've been trying to project as
a problem with me. The problem isn't with me, it's with you, and it's
a medical condition, so it's out of your control, but it is something
you do have, and I'm sure you're well aware of it. I'm certain it's
affected you since childhood. Much like ADD and ADHD affects some
children, much more so if the "children" are around my age now.

Post by Diesel
And, you
can't explain the videos I've shared, which discount your
statement.

It has been explained to how even if you understand something else
that does not imply you understand things here.

Er, nice try, but, that's not how that particular disability actually
works Snit. Why are you even bothering to lie about something like
this when it's so fucking easy these days to look it up and read all
about it?

You have a verified, as in, you've gone well out of your way to
demonstrate a real and valid reading comprehension issue. It's a
learning disability, a life long learning disability in your case,
due entirely to things well outside of your control.

More time should have been spent with you either as one on one with a
teachers assistant, or perhaps half day in the special education
classroom to bring you up to speed as best as possible, and or teach
you some coping methods to improve your reading comprehension level.

For whatever reason(s), that clearly wasn't done when it should have
been, and I do believe that's cost you many opportunities later in
life as a young teenager and then an Adult.

As Apd told you in the very posts I shared in the other threads
recently, I didn't misunderstand anything you wrote. Infact, I'd say
it's a damn good wajor that I've yet to do so. I base this not only
on my own personal opinion of things here, but also that nobody else
has "called me out" on anything I've written to you - David Brooks
doesn't count.

It's simply not possible for what you've claimed to be true at any
point in time, Snit. I couldn't do what I do if I had the disability
that you have - and you do have it. The AZ thread, the 3d printer
thread, the md5 thread. Pick one. It's obvious, glaringly obvious.

You haven't found anyone here backing up anything negative you've
written about me a single time, aside from David Brooks and Joel -
And for quite obvious reasons, their opinions don't matter to anyone
aside from yourself.

You *are a liar*, and one of the worst at it; as in, you're terrible
at it, why do you even bother? And you're a borderline troll in my
book as well. Your latest replies and efforts to alter the way in
which a post is read, intentional efforts to disrupt message read
flow to confuse the user only reinforce my growing opinion of your
need to troll when busted lying. And, that's what has happened here.

You aren't fooling anyone of any note into thinking otherwise, Snit.
You're only digging yourself a deeper hole, and giving further credit
to that shit reputation you've established for yourself.

In short: you just showed your inability to understand what hit
read again. I love the irony!

Post by Diesel
What does that leave you with? <G>

Laughing at your tantrum!

Battery powered jacobs ladder, drivin by a from scratch circuit. Hmm,
not bad for someone who supposedly has a severe reading comprehension
issue. Explain how these videos are possible, then:

http://youtu.be/Uh_Df8tsH4M
jacobs ladder variable frequency, amplitude and duty cycle effects

http://youtu.be/tU05nXWYr88
jacobs ladder and circuit description

Post by Diesel
You aren't actually making sense here, either.

Your failure to understand is not surprising.

You continue trying to pass that routine off as the truth. But! as
nearly all can see, it's not only untrue, it's another intentional
effort to lie about me, on your part. Another attempt to divert
attention away from the whopper of a lie you wrote about me here:

http://al.howardknight.net/?ID=159159190100
Diesel made it clear he had access not just to the output of the bot
but to the code itself. When called out on this he clarified it was
merely the compiled code he had:

<***@ZdS859K14.7p1JRyU90Zyd>
-----
Do you think when you disassemble something that you're
provided the original source code that was
compiled/assembled by the author? You aren't, what you're
given looks nothing like the original source code, but it
still tells you *everything* about the program.
-----

So how did Diesel get a copy of the program, compiled or not? My
guess: he will NEVER say.

I want to see the post(s) where I "made it quite clear" that I had
access to more than just the posts the bots been making (the output -
atleast what's available to an end user; admin may provide more
information). I want to see the post(s) where I was "called out", and
finally, I want to see the post(s) where I clarified I had the
"compiled code".

Post by Diesel
If I was a immature

No if about it. You are throwing a toddler tantrum.

Your continued efforts to divert are not working, Snit. You picked
the wrong one to lie about and try to troll, here. It's *never going
to go well for you*. I promise.

Again, those videos:

http://youtu.be/Uh_Df8tsH4M
jacobs ladder variable frequency, amplitude and duty cycle effects

http://youtu.be/tU05nXWYr88
jacobs ladder and circuit description

Oh and remember kiddies, if you like what you see, like and subscribe
!!! (shameless, totally shameless plug). I have more videos coming in
the near future. A singing arc, and a modified push/pull style driver
circuit for revision 1.3 of the jacobs ladder driver circuit. So stay
tuned. (just imagine you heard some youtuber giving you that speel,
thanks)

--
'Time is the best teacher; Unfortunately it kills all its students!'

Diesel

2020-07-20 05:54:46 UTC

Never said that. I said the binaries would install to /home.

Uhh, unless you go out of your way to force them to, no, they won't
not as delivered by Mozilla and loaded in the traditional ways.

In case he does not, it will give him the direct path in Help >
Troubleshooting under "Profile Folder".

He doesn't. And, it's a hidden folder by default. You have to show
hidden files and folders first, or, just press F6 I think it is
with gnome (so you can manually enter location in address bar)
and type /home/joel/.firefox/profile/random xxx named folder.
inside that is your 'profile'

You think I don't know to show hidden files? Believe me, I did
that about as soon as I installed the first distro after dumping
Win10. And I could've found the profile folder in the file system,
*IF I HAD ANY FUCKING REASON TO BOTHER TO*.

He answered based on lack of knowledge. Nothing he told you was
accurate, so, no, he didn't answer you just fine.

You're a liar.
If you install from another source it wipes out your browsing
history?

And you responded with:

No, it would install to my /home directory, and run independently of
Ubuntu's version. Having to log into all the sites I use would be a
waste of effort, since Ubuntu will no doubt release an update before
long.

***

Your answer wasn't even close to correct, aside from the generic
firefox running independently of the distro 'version', if you didn't
overwrite it, that is. That being said, they'd both use the same
profile; which could be a problem if one is new enough to where it
wants to make updates to your profile for future firefox engine
changes; this could leave your older version with issues. As in, no
longer able to properly parse your profile or what it thinks is it's
own configuration data.

If you're going to run multiple instances on the same machine like
that, Joel, you'd want all copies aside from the primary one to use
their own custom profile storage location; not the default. They
can't really 'share' it.

Unless you specified to be installed off home, no software package
for linux is going to be installed there. It'll leave configuration
data in a folder off there, but it's binaries will be stored in a
semi standard location (which varies a little from distro) that's
seperate from your home folder.

That being said, I do have seperate 'Appimage' packages that I've got
stored off home in my electronics/software folder, specifically; but
they aren't really installed there, i'm free to move the single file
anyplace I want. It's a completely self contained program. MxLinux
does a hell of alot better job with running multiple instances of
them than my Mint did. :(

--
God is real, unless declared integer.

Diesel

2020-07-20 05:54:47 UTC

Joel <***@gmail.com> news:***@4ax.com Sun, 19 Jul 2020
23:18:28 GMT in alt.computer.workshop, wrote:

[snip]

I'm not even convinced, anymore, that he's telling the truth about
Vista not being a rewrite. As much nonsense as he spews, how do I
know that isn't more of the same?

You are welcome to fact check every single fucking thing I've written
to you Joel. I'd like to see the look on your face when you learn from
your own research it's all true, too. No worries, I won't ask for any
apologies; I suspect you're far too much like snit already to bother.

You are free to continue wallowing in ignorance by refusing to accept
the fact that vista is not a rewrite from scratch, it's not even close.
It's built upon the stable, windows XP codebase. Just do me and other
serious programmers/coders a solid, and don't claim you actually do
understand software development again. That was good for a laugh, but,
that's about all.

--
'Nostalgia isn't what it used to be. - Simone Signoret

Snit

2020-07-20 06:02:43 UTC

[snip]

I'm not even convinced, anymore, that he's telling the truth about
Vista not being a rewrite. As much nonsense as he spews, how do I
know that isn't more of the same?

Just the other day you were gloating about how you were getting along
with Joel.

As if I would not want you to.

I do.

Please try to be nice.

You are free to continue wallowing in ignorance by refusing to accept
the fact that vista is not a rewrite from scratch, it's not even close.
It's built upon the stable, windows XP codebase. Just do me and other
serious programmers/coders a solid, and don't claim you actually do
understand software development again. That was good for a laugh, but,
that's about all.

Diesel

2020-07-20 05:54:47 UTC

You can have a version of Firefox that has its settings as Joel
said.

Yes, a portable version. OR, adjust the configuration in an installed
version to point to another folder for it's profile data.

But, Joel wasn't writing about any portable version of firefox. The
portable version isn't an official Mozilla package, you download the
official build you want, and you do some things to make it portable,
on your own, using third party tools, as the article you shared
explains, Snit. It's nothing new.

And you don't install a portable version. :) That would completely
defeat the purpose, Snit. next time, be more choosy in who you try
and cover a fuckup for. You didn't help him a bit here.

If you install from another source it wipes out your browsing
history?

And he responded with:

No, it would install to my /home directory, and run independently of
Ubuntu's version. Having to log into all the sites I use would be a
waste of effort, since Ubuntu will no doubt release an update before
long.

*** end

It wouldn't install to his home folder (he wasn't writing about the
portable edition, nice try though, Snit) unless he specifically told
it to. It *would* use the same profile as his distro is already using
though, and that could potentially be an issue. They can't both use
it at the same time, they don't know how to share nicely.

So we've basically got one David Brooks a known stalker, a semi crazy
person who likes to call others trolls when they aren't but this guy
thinks he's a diety, or related directly to one, or something along
those lines; so he can't be taken as all that serious.. And of
course, we also have you, and you have a well documented history as a
scumbag lying, troll. I don't know which of the three is the worst,
yet.

Maybe as you compete for worst slimeball, one of you will clearly
show us what the other two are lacking in those qualities. No doubt,
you'll learn as you 'grow', much like a fungus. A Snitafungus. Maybe
a shitafungus (that'd be something, wouldn't it? fungus growing on
shit) just kidding. But seriously, you are an asshat, jerkoff, lying,
trolling, little toadie.

--
Why is the symbol for anarchy always written the same way?

Diesel

2020-07-20 05:54:48 UTC

Snit <***@gallopinginsanity.com> news:***@mid.individual.net Sun, 19 Jul 2020 08:24:50 GMT
in alt.computer.workshop, wrote:

[big snip]

Notice when your challenges are noted you avoid speaking of them
and speak brag about other things you claim to have done.
Quite telling.

What's quite telling, and beyond obvious at this point, is your total
avoidance of any points I make, questions I ask, and, of course, your
complete inability to backup the statements you often like to make.
You're nothing more than a toadie, simplesnit.

--
It's only premarital sex if you're going to get married.

Diesel

2020-07-20 06:47:33 UTC

How is what I wrote not as concise and clear as what he
wrote to you? Further, I provided you more specific
information than he did. He was of the mistaken impression
that he couldn't load the non distro version and copy all of
his things over to it.

You have a strong tendency to put words in my mouth.

I wasn't sure I did that the last time you made the
accusation, so I errored on the side of caution and apologized
for it regardless. This time, I didn't do what you claimed, so
I won't be apologizing for it.
You specifically told Snit no, and provided generic excuses
for why you wrote no. I wasn't putting any words in your mouth
when I compared the differences in what I told him vs what you
told him.

But you see, I never said that what you suggested couldn't be
done - the idea was that it wasn't how I would approach it.

I'm glad you didn't make such a suggestion, because you would
have been wrong and it would have been very easy to show that.
You prefer to go about things the long way, it would seem.

If I wanted to stop using Ubuntu's Firefox, it wouldn't be that
much trouble to start over with Mozilla's generic Linux
Firefox, although I would export and import my bookmarks. But
it's not something I really need to do, because if there's a
critical update to Firefox, Ubuntu will release it ASAP, and
other updates are released in a timely manner.

You actually think the 'ubunto' version (theres really no such
thing) is going to be different than the mozilla edition? :)
It's branded, sure. Otherwise, heh, no. I bet you think MXLinux
actually has their own custom version of firefox too, along with
every single other distro out there. Sure, customized just like
you'd customize an oem install of Windows. otherwise, still the
same fucking windows, even if its from joes computers vs jim
computers.

Post by Diesel
Of course there should be a way to copy those files, but it
wouldn't be any less trouble than just putting in my Gmail
password, etc., to the various sites I use.

How do you figure that? I'm literally talking about cp one
folder contents to another here. Or using the DE if you'd
prefer. You can login to each of those sites faster than your
computer can just duplicate your entire configuration?

Well, what you're suggesting isn't necessarily a bad idea, but
I haven't bothered to do it when I switch distros, for example.
I just back up my bookmarks before I install the new distro.

What a waste of time. You could just backup your whole profile
and drop it right into the new distro, no questions asked.
Browser would look just like it did previously and include
everything it had before then. More than your bookmarks. If
you've tailored your browsers look, that would be copied over
too. Unless you just like redoing things just to be redoing it?

You don't even have to bother. You could just copy your
profile over to the other firefox, easily. That'll take care
of your bookmarks, logins, cookies, history, even your cache
if you want to keep it, assuming you don't clear it each time
you close the browser. No fucking around inside the browser to
export/import things, just copy the damn folder.

It's not a bad idea.

/home/joel/.mozilla/firefox/ykx1bc5f.default-release/bookmarkback
ups
Take your pick. :)

Fact is, you don't currently know the location to your
browsers profile right?

I haven't had a reason to investigate that, but it would be
trivial to do, I'm quite sure.

By default, you'll always find it in the users home folder.
That's how firefox is able to keep seperate bookmarks, gui
customizations, etc, for each user on the machine, if you have
more than one. Same trick it uses for windows, only on Windows,
the user profile data is under documents and settings. Matter of
fact, most software you install/use on linux that retains user
settings is going to make a hidden folder off your home
directory to store that information in.
So, you can copy software settings just like your bookmarks from
distro to distro. Reinstall your software on new distro, copy
your files/folders back, your shit is just like it was before;
no reconfiguration bullshit necessary. So unlike windows. :)
Dude, the more you learn about linux, the more I think you'll
like it. It makes more sense to me the way it handles things
than Windows or DOS ever did.

Actually, by default, the OS is hand holding you, but there's
absolutely nothing stopping you from changing the folder
permissions so that you can write to it, if you wanted to do
so. Or, just temp use the root account to do that,

But we're discussing the actual binaries themselves. Trying to
overwrite Ubuntu's Firefox with Mozilla's generic Linux Firefox
might break something.

You seem to be a little confused here. The folder where you
found the binaries has nothing to do with your profile settings.
Overwriting them won't break anything, no. But, here's the rub,
the next time you let the OS grab it's 'branded' version, it
will overwrite the non branded version with it's own. The only
way to keep a specific edition of firefox for various reasons is
to install it someplace else and disable it's auto update
abilities. As long as it's not installed to the same place as
your OS copy, your OS will honor your commands and leave it the
fuck alone.

but you don't need write access to
that profile folder to copy it's contents to the non distro
installed one.

The profile is one thing, but the binaries are another.

The binaries have nothing to do with your profile. It's an
attempt to setup a strawman, but falls on it's ass because no
harm would come of your letting the non branded version install,
your OS would just replace it with the next branded update on
the next update. No harm, no foul. There's no point in saving
the binaries anyway, you can get replacements. it's your own
personal data you should be saving, and that's all found in your
profile.

As for the slight differences in versions, it's not what
you're thinking, Typically the latest edition of firefox will
accept the profile from the previous version and versions
going back a considerable ways. It might 'convert' or
otherwise update your profile files to the current version
though. Which means, you wouldn't be able to use that profile
with an older copy of firefox anymore. But, that still doesn't
matter, because it's the profile you copied for that install
of firefox anyway.

Again, we were discussing the binaries.

Yes, I just explained the binary side to you right there in that
paragraph. Which part confused you?

or his /home folder or damn
near any other place he wants. And he can, whenever he
likes, copy the distro browsers info to the non distro
version. His history, the cookies, bookmarks, even the
fucking cache itself if he actually wanted it for some
reason. Again, he wouldn't have told you no and given you a
lazy generic reason for why if he really knew the OS as well
as he lets on.

I don't claim to know Linux all that well, actually.

I can tell. Which is why I wrote what I did there, Joel...

But you were you talking about a hypothetical scenario, it
didn't actually contradict what I wrote to Snit.

No, it would install to my /home directory, and run
independently of Ubuntu's version. Having to log into all the
sites I use would be a waste of effort, since Ubuntu will no
doubt release an update before long.
***
It doesn't install to your /home directory; apps don't usually
do that. They'll leave user data/configuration data there, but
not the app itself. It would only run independently of ubuntus
branded version if you installed it someplace else. Otherwise,
it would overwrite the already existing version binaries, but
once you did an OS update, the OS would again overwrite those
with the branded copies. And doing the upgrade wouldn't cause
any harm to your system, it's not windows, it's not that trivial
to break it. <G>
You wouldn't have to relogin to a single site, because your
profile is stored in your home folder, and both 'versions' of
firefox would have known to look there.
The information you provided snit was simply inaccurate - it
was, just plain, wrong.

Hell Snit, as part of my data backup procedures, my browsers
data folder is also backed up. So I can easily restore my
previous browsing experience if something breaks. I've got a
lot of custom bookmarks, and logins for electronics related
sites, so I too need my browser to remember things for me.
And like Joel, I take advantage of browser history to
quickly return to some site I found interesting but didn't
have the time on my last visit to explore as much as I
wanted.

I didn't mention doing that, but it is true that I use the
history to find sites again at times.

Yea, it's a very common thing that a lot of people do. :) Why
do you suppose the browser even retains a history? heh.

I know that, I was just responding to what you said, you
inaccurately said that I talked about using the history.

Actually...
I just checked for updates, nothing yet. I could download it
directly from Mozilla, but all my browsing history is in the
distro version, so it's kind of pointless.
***
Seems to me that you mentioned your history; now if you didn't
actually use it, why be so concerned with losing it? And your
browsing history is not in the distro version; it's in your
profile and your profile doesn't care if firefox says is ubuntu,
mint, mxlinux, zorin, etc, build. its still the same firefox.

Sure, why not. You haven't as far as I know tried to pass off
any horse shit stories about me; so I have no issues with you.
The same obviously cannot be said of your friend, Snit,
though. He told a hell of a porkie, and hasn't been able to
backup a single bit of it. I confess, it's amusing watching
him squirm and wiggle around so much. It really is. David does
it a lot too, for the same reasons. They don't lie all that
well. :)

I haven't followed the back-and-forth in those endless threads
in ACW. Life's too short. But at the same time, I've never
once had someone clearly explain why Snit is a "troll" and all
the other accusations. I also have gotten to know him apart
from Usenet, and I know his character.

Heh, okay. Here's what he wrote, and here's what I asked him;
that he isn't able to provide a single answer to, mind you. Not
a single fucking time. Now, unless you have a serious reading
comprehension issue with english as Snit does, there's no
http://al.howardknight.net/?ID=159159190100
"Diesel made it clear he had access not just to the output of
the bot but to the code itself. When called out on this he
clarified it was merely the compiled code he had"
*** end snippit
Where are the post(s) showing I made anything clear about access
to more than the output of the bot? The output as you know, or
should, are the posts it makes. Where is the post by someone
calling me out for what I wrote? Where is the post where I
clarified it was "merely" the compiled code I had?
Now, if what Snit wrote was true, he shouldn't have any fucking
problem answering those questions I asked. Yet, he's not able to
do so, dances around them instead. Claims it's a
misunderstanding, instead. It's a three! distinct fucking lies
in a very short paragraph.
So, that's why I sometimes refer to Snit as a troll, Joel.
Trolls do the stupid shit he does. Trolls write stupid shit like
I provided you there. And trolls, lack the ability to backup
their claims!

You can have a version of Firefox that has its settings as Joel
said.

https://www.airaghi.net/en/2017/03/22/install-mozilla-firefox-porta
ble-on-linux

Uhhmm...

If you install from another source it wipes out your browsing
history?

And you responded with:

No, it would install to my /home directory, and run independently of
Ubuntu's version. Having to log into all the sites I use would be a
waste of effort, since Ubuntu will no doubt release an update before
long.

***

portable apps don't 'install' Snit; that's kinda the point. So how
did you reach the conclusion you did there? :)

--
Hate is not the opposite of love; apathy is. - Rollo May

Diesel

2020-07-20 06:47:34 UTC

You can have a version of Firefox that has its settings as Joel
said.

https://www.airaghi.net/en/2017/03/22/install-mozilla-firefox-porta
ble-on-linux

I meant that I would just extract the binaries to my /home folder,
because that's what I have write access to.

ROFL. That's not the only place you have write access to for installing
binaries, Joel. How long have you been using Linux, exactly?

--
Show me a sane man. I'll cure him for you.

Diesel

2020-07-20 06:47:35 UTC

But really not a big deal -- unless you planned on copying the
version from one system to another (or the like) -- which you
have not suggested you wish.

Yeah, I'm actually planning as of just a little bit ago to get
rid of Ubuntu, but I won't back up anything but the bookmarks.

What are you going to move to?

Well, I gotta explain a little bit. I've had some minor to
moderate issues using Ubuntu since I installed it, but today, I
wanted to burn an audio CD for a friend, and ran into brick walls
trying to use or install apps that could do it. It's not
guaranteed that another distro would do it, but I'm actually
*considering* (not sure I will do it) temporarily attempting to
install Win10 to do it. The idea would be to see if Microsoft
will even allow me to do that, and also because I know Nero can
burn an audio CD. However, after doing that task, I'd immediately
install another Linux distro.

What do you mean by brick walls? What apps did you try, and what
specifically happened? What settings were you using, and, what are
your hardware specs? You shouldn't need to change an OS out to
recover from an issue like you describe, Joel...

How many years in did you get in your college education?

--
Now that my house / Has burned down, / I have a much better view / Of
the Moon.

Diesel

2020-07-20 06:47:36 UTC

But really not a big deal -- unless you planned on copying the
version from one system to another (or the like) -- which you
have not suggested you wish.

Yeah, I'm actually planning as of just a little bit ago to get
rid of Ubuntu, but I won't back up anything but the bookmarks.

What are you going to move to?

Makes sense. If you want to stick with Ubuntu you could also do
the ol' backup of your data (including your oh-so-important
Firefox profile... NEVER FORGET THAT <snicker>) and reinstall. If
it is from a wonky backup that should work.

It makes sense to you to change an OS out rather than fix whatever
the issue is that's keeping you from succesfully burning an audio cd?

Heh, if you're willing to swap an entire OS out rather than fix
something that small of an issue, you can't really call yourself a
technician, nor should you be calling yourself a troubleshooter.
You're more like one of those 'techs' who reloads windows at the
slightest hint of trouble to 'fix' any issue that comes up.

But what you describe should work just fine, too.

In your expert opinion, Snit, you don't think there's anything at all
wrong with changing an entire OS out to resolve an issue with burning
an audio cd? That's a sound decision based on what little information
he shared with us here to you?

--
In the beginning there was nothing, and God said 'Let there be
light.' And there was still nothing, but at least you could see it.

Snit

2020-07-20 17:09:05 UTC

But really not a big deal -- unless you planned on copying the
version from one system to another (or the like) -- which you
have not suggested you wish.

Yeah, I'm actually planning as of just a little bit ago to get
rid of Ubuntu, but I won't back up anything but the bookmarks.

What are you going to move to?

It makes sense to you to change an OS out rather than fix whatever
the issue is that's keeping you from succesfully burning an audio cd?

It makes sense that Joel wants to do that and I have no interest in
talking him out of it. I also know he likes to work with different
distros and the like and this gives him a chance. It might not be the
direction *I* would go, but I do not have any issue with what he is doing.

Nor would any reasonable person.

But look below where you show you are not such a reasonable person. You
are here to attack and troll, which is not a surprise at all.

Post by Diesel
Heh, if you're willing to swap an entire OS out rather than fix
something that small of an issue, you can't really call yourself a
technician, nor should you be calling yourself a troubleshooter.
You're more like one of those 'techs' who reloads windows at the
slightest hint of trouble to 'fix' any issue that comes up.

But what you describe should work just fine, too.

Diesel

2020-07-20 06:47:36 UTC

<snip massive trolling>
I'm not wasting anymore time with you. I was so distracted writing a
reply to you a little bit ago that I forgot to tune in to church on
Zoom, before my mom texted me a little after it started.

tune into church? What do you need with that? Aren't you god, or his
kid, or whatever, sometimes, already?

Don't worry Joel, I don't hold any grudges towards you, I realize
your an end user who just got 0wned and how, it's okay. You'll live.
I'm sure it's happened to you before, and I've little doubt you'll
walk into a pile sometime again in the future. Shit talkers like
yourself just can't seem to avoid them.

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/comp.os.linux.advocacy/-5vuccZStnA

--
Cat are always more sarcastic than dogs.

Diesel

2020-07-23 10:31:04 UTC

["Followup-To:" header set to alt.computer.workshop.]

A little over a year ago, after I had switched to Linux
initially, when I got tired of the distro I had been using,
I decided to give Win10 another try.Â Both 1809 and 1803
(the most recent builds at the
time) installed and froze immediately and inexplicably on
the first boot.Â I even tried Win7SP1, and it booted, but
after rebooting for the first round of nearly 200 updates,
froze the same way Win10 had.

I neglected to mention, there, that when I first switched to
Linux early last year, I quit IRC with the message "fuck
win10".Â That is what I believe led to this situation, that
Cortana snitched on me for doing that.

What on earth has IRC got to do with this, Joel?!!! ;-)

The idea is that Win10/Cortana is spyware.Â It would be
trivial to watch for me typing "/quit fuck win10" into mIRC,
and tell Microsoft's servers before I reboot into the Linux
installer.

Put simply: Joel believes Win10 is a keylogger.
Why stop at that? Why not use this alleged keylogger in other
areas?
It's 'Snit-level logic' that got Joel here, I can only imagine
how he'd respond to that question. I probably don't want to
know...

What I would like to know is *why did you stop flooding ACW* with
'flood' posts?!!

My *guess*, and I want to be clear it is just that -- a guess --
is that Diesel and he have been talking and Diesel knows more than
he is letting on. Does not mean Diesel has found complete proof,
but the fact Diesel is so focused on a misunderstanding about his
comments about the bot and how he uses that as an excuse to not
talk about what he was speaking of before is, at best, odd.

I've been very busy, otherwise I would have responded to your latest
bullshit sooner. I'm not focused on any misunderstanding on my end;
I'm focused on a specific series of lies you wrote concerning my
involvement with the floodbot. You specifically claimed I'd been
called out for having it, and that as a result, I clarified I had
the bot in compiled form! I want to see MID(s) of posts which
support those VERY SPECIFIC claims you wrote about me, Snit.

As far as it was a misunderstanding goes, I don't think so, Ftr
Doesn't think so, Carroll doesn't think so, and, Apd doesn't think
so. I doubt David Brooks is actually buying your effort to spin your
way out of the mess you created for yourself when you tried to troll
me.

Oh, backup what I just wrote I can hear you saying.. Okay, no problem:
Message-ID: <***@yDm51z63w2jWzmlAvxDJlXw2.4qj.5zvUpX1yItgh>
https://groups.google.com/forum/message/raw?msg=alt.computer.workshop/5tmDGRYHMAU/vPWyjH79BwAJ

You have known Diesel longer than I have. Is it his norm to become
so fixated to the point of obsession about a simple
misunderstanding of something he said, something nobody is
attacking him for? If so then perhaps I am wrong to say this is a
sign of "protesting too much", but it is the only example I have
seen.

As can clearly be seen by anyone who follows the link I left there,
the only person who misunderstood anything was yourself and despite
being told by several people YOU WERE MISTAKEN, you opted to
'disagree' with them instead and stick with your totally bullshit
story you wrote about my involvement with the bot. You're a toadie.

And, again, this is a GUESS. I am not claiming to have direct
evidence more than how Diesel and Carroll have been "co-trolling"
and Diesel has been sorta freaking out.

You're making another false accusation now. No surprise.

--
We intend to destroy all dogmatic verbal systems.

Diesel

2020-07-24 07:13:47 UTC

[snip]

Post by Diesel
I've been very busy, otherwise I would have responded to your
latest bullshit sooner.

You claim to be very busy.

Board level diagnosis and repair isn't a ten minute thing, usually.
And, when soldering/desoldering/rework is necessary, that's not a super
quick process either, not if you want to do it right the first time
around. I've finally got the backlog done, and I'm waiting on the last
laptop to finish a long burn in run, to ensure no lockup issues here
before I return it to it's owner and observe it in it's native
environment later this morning. I had to replace a diode and logic
level mosfet on it's board as well as the fan/heatsink cooling
assembly.

Maybe that explains why you do not take the time to even try to
understand what you read.

ROFL. Snit, you have a BIG problem selling that one; especially when I
told you what I've been busy doing. <G>

Post by Diesel
I'm not focused on any misunderstanding on my end;

I agree you not only fail to focus on it, you insist on pretending
it does not exist, even though it has been explained at least
fourteen times.

It doesn't exist, and you've waffled around it, over a dozen times,
yes. But, let's cut to the meat of the matter. You made several false
accusations against me concerning my involvement with the usenet bot.
I'd like an apology for you having done that.

And if you need to be told again exactly what it is i'm taking an issue

[...] We all make mistakes. I simply cannot see why it matters so
much to Diesel.

Apd responded with this:

None of us like to be accused of doing what we are not.

*** end snippit 1

It is my understanding he said you changed topics away from
Carroll's flood bot code to code in general. If he disagrees he
can tell me.

Apd responded to Snit (again) with this:

No I didn't say he changed topics. The talk about code in general was
directly related to the topic of the bot code itself.

For the record, I've know Diesel a long time and while we've had our
run-ins and disagreements, I believe him when he says he has no
access to the flood-bot code. Even if you'd not made the accusation
and thus he'd not have reason to make a denial I'd still believe he
has no access because of what he's been writing about the thing. If
I were a gambling man I'd place a very large bet on him having no
involvement.

*** end snippit 2

As you can see, twice Apd confirms what I accused Snit of doing; that
is, to accuse me of something I did not do. Snit has been trying to
spin the entire thing into a misunderstanding on my part since I began
requesting an Apology for the lies he wrote concerning my knowledge of,
access to, and involvement with the bot.

Even if you'd not made the accusation

It's not *just* an accusation (in an endless stream
of them), it's unsupported and clearly made for a
purpose in a campaign to convince readers that 'Snit
is good, Diesel is bad'. There is *no* way you don't
know this, so WTF is the story here?

That story doesn't address the fact that Snit is doing
what we can all clearly see (even DB sees it, he's only
quiet about it because Snit 'supports' his BS). You haven't
noticed the lengths that Snit has gone to in order to keep
attention focused on the bot? Or his over the top, hard sell
that I run it? Or that he's the only person who has tried
to seek benefit from it?

FromTheRafters responded to him with this:

I see it, but I skip most of the bot related posts because I am not
interested in such a lame program.

*** end snippit 3

Once again, you can clearly see two other people have also noticed Snit
lied on me, and is attempting to whitewash it away as a
misunderstanding on my part. It's nothing of the sort. Now, you have
three people, other than myself, who agree that what Snit wrote isn't
true, it wasn't ever true. Snit did infact make a series of unfounded
accusations towards me when he wrote this:

http://al.howardknight.net/?ID=159159190100
Diesel made it clear he had access not just to the output of the bot
but to the code itself. When called out on this he clarified it was
merely the compiled code he had:

<***@ZdS859K14.7p1JRyU90Zyd>
-----
Do you think when you disassemble something that you're
provided the original source code that was
compiled/assembled by the author? You aren't, what you're
given looks nothing like the original source code, but it
still tells you *everything* about the program.
-----

So how did Diesel get a copy of the program, compiled or not? My
guess: he will NEVER say.

** end

Have you considered taking some time to actually slow down and do
what you have now admitted you have failed to do -- focus on your
own misunderstandings? The fact you have admitted you have not
focused on this is an encouraging sign, and I commend you for
admitting to it.

Snit... You've obviously been doing something which affects not only
your mood, but your ability to form coherent thought. You're putting
words in my mouth now and making more false accusations towards me -
while you proceed to try insulting me as if we're in grade school.

Has anyone, really, anyone, ever been taken by this lame ass attempt of
yours, Snit? Do your kids even fall for it? I bet they don't.

I do see good in you... even if you clearly have trouble seeing it
in yourself.

I don't know what you hope to gain with your psycho babble nonsense,
but I doubt it's going to work out for you any better than your efforts
to troll me with the bot accusation. That really didn't work out as
you'd hoped. It blew up in your face.

--
KARAOKE is Japanese for tone deaf.

Diesel

2020-07-24 12:59:42 UTC

[snip]

Post by Diesel
I've been very busy, otherwise I would have responded to your
latest bullshit sooner.

You claim to be very busy. Maybe that explains why you do
not take the time to even try to understand what you read.
But it does not explain how you find the time to focus on
your tantrum over any valuable content. Interesting
perspective on your priorities.

Board level diagnosis and repair isn't a ten minute thing,
usually. And, when soldering/desoldering/rework is necessary,
that's not a super quick process either, not if you want to do it
right the first time around. I've finally got the backlog done,
and I'm waiting on the last laptop to finish a long burn in run,
to ensure no lockup issues here before I return it to it's owner
and observe it in it's native environment later this morning. I
had to replace a diode and logic level mosfet on it's board as
well as the fan/heatsink cooling assembly.

Notice below your response shows NO understanding of what you
read. It is quite telling of your reading comprehension issues.

It's not below anymore, I put it back where it belongs. Your efforts
to cause confusion by screwing around with message flow hasn't gone
unnoticed, troll.

I responded to your wiseass remark about my claiming to be very busy
by telling you what I've been doing. Your response is completely out
of line, and totally bullshit to boot. You made a statement in a
snarky manner (there was no reason at all for you to even write that
"You claim to be very busy." - you were inferring that I was lying.
Don't you think you've been busted lying enough already, Snit?

I clarified, simple as that. Sorry if you didn't expect the response,
but, some of us actually do real work for our incomes. And, i'm one
of those people. :)

Perhaps some day I will teach you how to find posts by message ID.
Then you will be able to prove to yourself they do exist. But you
need to be a bit kinder to me for me to do that favor for you.

Umm. I've been sharing howardknight shortcut links for various people
to make it easier to lookup a post when I provide the MID. In the
event they don't know how to use their client, or howardknight.

I also know how to query servers directly using nothing more than a
telnet client; I don't have to use a GUI based one. or even a
'client' at all. So, enough with your bullshit offers to teach me,
Snit. You would be the student , make no mistake.

Snit, you give an all new meaning to the expression, digging yourself
a hole. I mean, you really go all in.

--
Any system that depends on reliability is unreliable.

Gremlin

2020-07-30 00:42:37 UTC

Notice you never offered a response to this. You have not
explained your repeated failure to understand basic concepts.

Your efforts to project your own shortcomings onto me aren't going
to work, Snit.

But it does not explain how you find the time to focus on
your tantrum over any valuable content. Interesting
perspective on your priorities.

Board level diagnosis and repair isn't a ten minute thing,
usually. And, when soldering/desoldering/rework is necessary,
that's not a super quick process either, not if you want to do
it right the first time around. I've finally got the backlog
done, and I'm waiting on the last laptop to finish a long burn
in run, to ensure no lockup issues here before I return it to
it's owner and observe it in it's native environment later this
morning. I had to replace a diode and logic level mosfet on
it's board as well as the fan/heatsink cooling assembly.

Notice below your response shows NO understanding of what you
read. It is quite telling of your reading comprehension issues.

And you ignored this. You work to change the topic instead of
reply to direct responses to your failure to understand. Then you
lie and say I have not noted the things I note.

I didn't ignore anything. You wrote that I claimed I'd been busy; as
if to imply that I'd been lying about it. So I provided you an
example of a typical work day, above. I have been VERY BUSY, doing
real work; as I described above. There was no topic change, and this

Post by Diesel
He was speaking about code in general, not any particular piece
of software. He said as much.

I have agreed he may have changed topics away from Carroll's
Usenet flood bot. He does tend to wander a lot as he posts.

You *didn't* understand what Apd wrote, or, you did, and are trying
to twist it into something else entirely. Which is it?

It is my understanding he said you changed topics away from Carroll's
flood bot code to code in general. If he disagrees he can tell me.

No I didn't say he changed topics. The talk about code in general was
directly related to the topic of the bot code itself.

For the record, I've know Diesel a long time and while we've had our
run-ins and disagreements, I believe him when he says he has no access
to the flood-bot code. Even if you'd not made the accusation and thus
he'd not have reason to make a denial I'd still believe he has no
access because of what he's been writing about the thing. If I were a
gambling man I'd place a very large bet on him having no involvem

Very immature of you.

Your efforts to continue with your lies aren't working snit. I don't

Post by Diesel
When did I 'snip and run' with you?

Last week.
"Whatever the difference you still do the same things".
What I meant by "do" is "accuse each other of"

And I explained that I don't merely accuse. In large part,
I do what you just said to Snit in a previous post, I'll
confront his BS (unsupported) allegations. If you've been
reading, you can see he's doing the same thing with Diesel
right now.

Yup.
These are the message IDs you keep snipping -- and you keep

I snip them because they aren't an apology. They are repeated
efforts by you to weasel out of what you wrote. You owe me an
apology for this:

http://al.howardknight.net/?ID=159159190100
Diesel made it clear he had access not just to the output of the bot
but to the code itself. When called out on this he clarified it was
merely the compiled code he had:

<***@ZdS859K14.7p1JRyU90Zyd>
-----
Do you think when you disassemble something that you're
provided the original source code that was
compiled/assembled by the author? You aren't, what you're
given looks nothing like the original source code, but it
still tells you *everything* about the program.
-----

So how did Diesel get a copy of the program, compiled or not? My
guess: he will NEVER say.

I want to see the post(s) where I "made it quite clear" that I had
access to more than just the posts the bots been making (the output -
atleast what's available to an end user; admin may provide more
information). I want to see the post(s) where I was "called out", and
finally, I want to see the post(s) where I clarified I had the
"compiled code".

Those are three, seperate and distinct lies in a very short
paragraph. What you quoted me out of context! doesn't even come
close to supporting your accusation. And, it IS an accusation.

Where are the posts calling me out Snit? Where is the post where I
clarified I had the bot in compiled form?

Below you claim you can find those posts. But you offer no
evidence you can, no less any evidence that you can UNDERSTAND
what is said in those posts.

You're just being an idiot now Snit.

Nor, I bet, will you show understanding. Notice I am not saying
you must agree -- honest people can disagree with each other.

You aren't honest snit. You recently also accused me of being
Carroll and/or a sock of his. You made another mistake is what you
did, because you can't read headers for shit. You can apologize for
that false accusation, too, asshat.

Post by David_B
Umm. I've been sharing howardknight shortcut links for various
people to make it easier to lookup a post when I provide the MID.
In the event they don't know how to use their client, or
howardknight.

I speak of being able to find a post from its message ID, and in
response you note how you can find a message ID in a post -- a
completely different skill. This does not, of course, prove you
cannot do as you are failing to do here with those message IDs,
but it is another example of your failure to understand a simple
concept.

I know you've basically run out of ammo and have resorted to
slinging rocks and mudballs at me, but it's all to no avail - I'm
still sportin a .50 cal and I've got plenty of rounds.

I don't have any reading comprehension issues, I don't have any
failures to understand the bullshit you post, and I damn sure don't
need a lesson on how to find a post with a MID on usenet of all
fucking places. I've written my own damn usenet client and server;
I'm well versed on how it works, thanks all the same, asshat.

Post by David_B
Snit, you give an all new meaning to the expression, digging
yourself a hole. I mean, you really go all in.

Remember when you used to deny the arrogance you show here.
Interesting.

Snit, again, I'm not falsely accusing you of anything. Fact is, you

[...] you can see he's doing the same thing with Diesel
right now.

Yup.

Diesel is playing a very immature game. He insists he meant some code
other than the code to Carroll's Usenet flood bot. OK. Maybe I missed
the context -- but if so then what code did he mean. He never says. That
shoots down his own argument.

He was speaking about code in general, not any particular piece of
software. He said as much.

[...] So if I ever directly said Diesel *WAS* helping Carroll I
rescind that.

You should perhaps reply to a post of his with that.

[...] We all make mistakes. I simply cannot see why it matters so
much to Diesel.

None of us like to be accused of doing what we are not.

And Apd agrees, As does FTR.

You're a liar snit, and you aren't even a good one.

--
Being a doormat gets you walked on.

Diesel

2020-07-24 07:13:48 UTC

Snit <***@gallopinginsanity.com> news:***@mid.individual.net Thu, 23 Jul 2020 20:52:19 GMT
in alt.computer.workshop, wrote:

[snip]

Again with your crossposting trolling and your failure to
understand what has been explained to you at least 14 times.

I didn't fail to understand anything. What I wrote, that you cherry
picked has been explained to you by myself, Apd, and Ftr, several
times now. You continue to 'disagree' with all of us and proceed to
try and sell your accusation as a misunderstanding on my part.

You really have a LOT of issues with understanding basic concepts.

Your repeated efforts to project on me aren't going to work for you
here, Snit. I wouldn't be surprised to learn that David Brooks isn't
buying it either, truth be told. But, for the time being, he finds
you useful, so he's going to overlook the stupid things you write.

Until you're of no further use to him, then you'll be treated no
differently than anyone else he's gotten a 'hinky' over.

[...] We all make mistakes. I simply cannot see why it matters so
much to Diesel.

Apd responded with this:

None of us like to be accused of doing what we are not.

*** end snippit 1

It is my understanding he said you changed topics away from
Carroll's flood bot code to code in general. If he disagrees he
can tell me.

Apd responded to Snit (again) with this:

No I didn't say he changed topics. The talk about code in general was
directly related to the topic of the bot code itself.

For the record, I've know Diesel a long time and while we've had our
run-ins and disagreements, I believe him when he says he has no
access to the flood-bot code. Even if you'd not made the accusation
and thus he'd not have reason to make a denial I'd still believe he
has no access because of what he's been writing about the thing. If
I were a gambling man I'd place a very large bet on him having no
involvement.

*** end snippit 2

As you can see, twice Apd confirms what I accused Snit of doing; that
is, to accuse me of something I did not do. Snit has been trying to
spin the entire thing into a misunderstanding on my part since I
began
requesting an Apology for the lies he wrote concerning my knowledge
of,
access to, and involvement with the bot.

Post by Diesel
Even if you'd not made the accusation

FromTheRafters responded to him with this:

I see it, but I skip most of the bot related posts because I am not
interested in such a lame program.

*** end snippit 3

Once again, you can clearly see two other people have also noticed
Snit
lied on me, and is attempting to whitewash it away as a
misunderstanding on my part. It's nothing of the sort. Now, you have
three people, other than myself, who agree that what Snit wrote isn't
true, it wasn't ever true. Snit did infact make a series of unfounded
accusations towards me when he wrote this:

http://al.howardknight.net/?ID=159159190100
Diesel made it clear he had access not just to the output of the bot
but to the code itself. When called out on this he clarified it was
merely the compiled code he had:

<***@ZdS859K14.7p1JRyU90Zyd>
-----
Do you think when you disassemble something that you're
provided the original source code that was
compiled/assembled by the author? You aren't, what you're
given looks nothing like the original source code, but it
still tells you *everything* about the program.
-----

So how did Diesel get a copy of the program, compiled or not? My
guess: he will NEVER say.

** end

And the thread contents I shared with this new topic all address
every single thing he wrote, in considerable detail. Snit *LIED* on
me, and I think at this point, he knew he was lying when he wrote the
shit he did! I don't even think it was a misunderstanding on his part
at this point. I believe he did it intentionally and just didn't
expect or anticipate that I'd actually come after him for it.

So be it -- it is not as if I tend to hold grudges. If and when
you actually grow up I will almost surely still be willing to
accept you moving forward in peace. Takes a lot for me to give up
on someone. I am safe person for you to lash out in your immature
anger. Best wishes.

When you're able to own up to what you did and apologize for having
done it, you know, like the man you're pretending you are, we can
start over, peacefully.

Otherwise, I'm not going to sit here and allow you to lie on me like
you did without my commenting. If you don't want me to continue doing
that, stop lying about me. it's a very simple concept. Do you
understand it?

--
I like cats, but I don't think I could eat a whole one.

Diesel

2020-07-24 12:59:41 UTC

[snip]

Again with your crossposting trolling and your failure to
understand what has been explained to you at least 14 times.

I didn't fail to understand anything.

Remember when you used to deny being arrogant and immature? But
here you are showing off how both are true, and doing so in one
short sentence. Quite a feat for you!

By writing the truth, and nothing more than that, I'm being arrogant
and immature? Why don't you just grow some balls about yourself, get
some bass in that girly voice of yours as a result, and apologize for
the lies you wrote about me? Then, we can move on. I'm sure you'll go
off half cocked again down the road and concoct another bullshit
story to peddle. I'm looking forward to your creative writing skills
- that is, if you actually do have any.

Just what is so hard about fessing up to telling a porkie on me
anyway Snit? We're all adults here, it's not that big of a deal. Are
you worried that if you do admit you lied and apologize, your
detractors will use it against you in the future?

They're already using what you did against you, just like I am. It's
worse this way for you though, because everybody already knows you
not only lied, but that you've been trying to play a game of
diversion to draw attention away from what you wrote.

You'd take less damage by coming clean in the long run, Snit. Again,
your detractors can already use what's been posted between us against
you; it shows that you are a liar, and not the little white lie kind.
As it stands now though, they can also show that when caught, you'll
try anything to weasel around it. That's worse for you than just
being caught on record as an admitted liar. Atleast YOU opted to
admit it, and it wasn't necessary for others to prove you are, as you
waste time and energy denying the truth about you.

I know this isn't the first time someone you talked shit about called
you out for it. What annoys me though is how weak your diversion
efforts actually are. Is this seriously the best you've got? It's no
wonder you have a snitlist and fan pages like David Brooks.

People need to be warned about your kinds of people (that is, you and
David Brooks aka BoaterDave one of the worlds worst internet stalkers
and pests), for their own safety.

--
The real world is only a special case.

Gremlin

2020-07-30 00:42:36 UTC

[snip]

Again with your crossposting trolling and your failure to
understand what has been explained to you at least 14 times.

I didn't fail to understand anything.

Remember when you used to deny being arrogant and immature? But
here you are showing off how both are true, and doing so in one
short sentence. Quite a feat for you!

By writing the truth, and nothing more than that, I'm being
arrogant and immature?

I never said, suggested, hinted, or implied that. Once again you
failed to understand what you read.

Are you sure about that? Because, well, that's ALL I've been doing
when corresponding with you; is asking for an apology for a series of
lies you told on me. And today, you've added to the list of them. I'm
not Carroll nor am I a sock of Carrolls. If you understood how to
read headers, you'd see Gremlin and Diesel are one in the same
person. Gremlin is NOT a sock, either. It's actually my original
handle from the CB radio/BBS days.

Post by Diesel
Why don't you just grow some balls about yourself, get
some bass in that girly voice of yours as a result, and apologize
for the lies you wrote about me?

You repeatedly beg me to lie and say I agree with you... as you do
here. And now you join Carroll in his insults... using the same
ones he does almost word for word.

Nobody is begging you to do anything. As Apd, and Ftr have both
confirmed, you did infact, wrongfully accuse me of having anything to
do with the lame as fuck bot here. And I want an apology for you
having done that. YOu *already lied* and they agree, what you need to
do is apologize for having done that.

Are you STILL denying how much influence he has over you?

My requesting an apology for your lies on me doesn't indicate anyone
has any influence over me. If anything, it shows that YOU do not have
any influence over me, I'm not buying the bullshit you're trying so
damn hard to sell.

Again, are you STILL denying Carroll is influencing you? What are
the chances you would independently use the same twisted and
irrational excuses he does without such influence?

Snit, it's obvious to myself and others that anyone who doesn't paint
you a positive light, but instead, calls you out for lies you like to
write about them, is "being manipulated" by Carroll. You are, without
a doubt, full of shit.

http://al.howardknight.net/?ID=159159190100
Diesel made it clear he had access not just to the output of the bot
but to the code itself. When called out on this he clarified it was
merely the compiled code he had:

<***@ZdS859K14.7p1JRyU90Zyd>
-----
Do you think when you disassemble something that you're
provided the original source code that was
compiled/assembled by the author? You aren't, what you're
given looks nothing like the original source code, but it
still tells you *everything* about the program.
-----

So how did Diesel get a copy of the program, compiled or not? My
guess: he will NEVER say.

I want to see the post(s) where I "made it quite clear" that I had
access to more than just the posts the bots been making (the output -
atleast what's available to an end user; admin may provide more
information). I want to see the post(s) where I was "called out", and
finally, I want to see the post(s) where I clarified I had the
"compiled code".

Those are three, seperate and distinct lies in a very short
paragraph. What you quoted me out of context! doesn't even come close
to supporting your accusation. And, it IS an accusation.

--
Kangaroos cannot fart, but they do have three vaginas.

Gremlin

2020-07-30 02:58:16 UTC

[snip]

Again with your crossposting trolling and your failure to
understand what has been explained to you at least 14 times.

I didn't fail to understand anything.

Remember when you used to deny being arrogant and immature?
But here you are showing off how both are true, and doing so
in one short sentence. Quite a feat for you!

By writing the truth, and nothing more than that, I'm being
arrogant and immature?

I never said, suggested, hinted, or implied that. Once again you
failed to understand what you read.

Are you sure about that?

Yes. I am very well aware of what I said and what my views are.
But you have a very hard time understanding what you read. I find
that a shame. When faced with it you run to the idea you think you
have understood OTHER material so you cannot believe you fail to
understand what you demonstrate failing to understand. It is yet
another area where you show a challenge with basic comprehension.

I sure hope this long spin cycle ends soon. What specifically have I
misunderstood here Snit? Provide exact examples and what I didn't
understand.

Post by Gremlin
Because, well, that's ALL I've been doing
when corresponding with you; is asking for an apology for a
series of lies you told on me.

Did you purposely lie when you wrote this or are you merely
failing, again, to understand what you read?

Snit, your efforts to portray me as the liar, and you the victim,
aren't workable in this situation. Your credibility is already,
established to be shit here with the majority of the regulars, and
you did that entirely on your own. I didn't manipulate anyone and
there's no coalition.

...

You repeatedly beg me to lie and say I agree with you... as you
do here. And now you join Carroll in his insults... using the
same ones he does almost word for word.

Nobody is begging you to do anything.

Do you need help doing a search for the word "apology" in your
recent posts where you beg me to lie and pretend to agree with
your assessment of our disagreement?

http://al.howardknight.net/?ID=159159190100
Diesel made it clear he had access not just to the output of the bot
but to the code itself. When called out on this he clarified it was
merely the compiled code he had:

<***@ZdS859K14.7p1JRyU90Zyd>
-----
Do you think when you disassemble something that you're
provided the original source code that was
compiled/assembled by the author? You aren't, what you're
given looks nothing like the original source code, but it
still tells you *everything* about the program.
-----

So how did Diesel get a copy of the program, compiled or not? My
guess: he will NEVER say.

I want to see the post(s) where I "made it quite clear" that I had
access to more than just the posts the bots been making (the output -
atleast what's available to an end user; admin may provide more
information). I want to see the post(s) where I was "called out", and
finally, I want to see the post(s) where I clarified I had the
"compiled code".

Those are three, seperate and distinct lies in a very short
paragraph. What you quoted me out of context! doesn't even come close
to supporting your accusation. And, it IS an accusation.

SO, snit, if what you're claiming is true, you shouldn't have any
problems posting the mids to the messages calling me out and my own
where I clarified I had the bot in compiled form.

I'm waiting to see those posts, again, if what you claimed is true
you can provide them. :)

Please stop begging. I simply will not lie for you no matter how
much you beg me.

Please, stop pretending that you haven't already told a whopper of a
lie. Fact is, you did, you got caught, you owe an apology. I know,
you're a very slow, quite a bit of a dimwit, but even a child can see
where you fucked up here:

http://al.howardknight.net/?ID=159159190100
Diesel made it clear he had access not just to the output of the bot
but to the code itself. When called out on this he clarified it was
merely the compiled code he had:

<***@ZdS859K14.7p1JRyU90Zyd>
-----
Do you think when you disassemble something that you're
provided the original source code that was
compiled/assembled by the author? You aren't, what you're
given looks nothing like the original source code, but it
still tells you *everything* about the program.
-----

So how did Diesel get a copy of the program, compiled or not? My
guess: he will NEVER say.

I want to see the post(s) where I "made it quite clear" that I had
access to more than just the posts the bots been making (the output -
atleast what's available to an end user; admin may provide more
information). I want to see the post(s) where I was "called out", and
finally, I want to see the post(s) where I clarified I had the
"compiled code".

Those are three, seperate and distinct lies in a very short
paragraph. What you quoted me out of context! doesn't even come close
to supporting your accusation. And, it IS an accusation.

Go ahead snit, provide the MIDs to the posts calling me out AND the
posts where I clarified I had the bot in compiled form. You stated
this happened, where is your proof? Show me the proof snit, and I'll
retract my request for an apology. Otherwise, I want that apology for
the lies you wrote about me, toadie.

And quit trying to narrow the groups that see your replies still
trying to weasel out of what you did, when I restore them (and I
will, I picked them special for you, Snit), your reply is going to be
visible, along with my reply; tearing yours to pieces, again. as i've
done here, yet again.

Do you get the point yet, simpleton? I'm not going to let you go. You
lied on me, without any reason other than to do so, I'm going to
continue bringing it up, I'm going to continue riding you everytime
you fuckup; as you did today when you accused me of being Carroll,
until you fork that rightfully owed apology.

Take your time with it, it's your credibility i'm blowing big holes
in, not mine. And, I'm enjoying the target practice, Snit.

So once again, here's the whopper of a series of lies you wrote about
me:

http://al.howardknight.net/?ID=159159190100
Diesel made it clear he had access not just to the output of the bot
but to the code itself. When called out on this he clarified it was
merely the compiled code he had:

<***@ZdS859K14.7p1JRyU90Zyd>
-----
Do you think when you disassemble something that you're
provided the original source code that was
compiled/assembled by the author? You aren't, what you're
given looks nothing like the original source code, but it
still tells you *everything* about the program.
-----

So how did Diesel get a copy of the program, compiled or not? My
guess: he will NEVER say.

I want to see the post(s) where I "made it quite clear" that I had
access to more than just the posts the bots been making (the output -
atleast what's available to an end user; admin may provide more
information). I want to see the post(s) where I was "called out", and
finally, I want to see the post(s) where I clarified I had the
"compiled code".

Those are three, seperate and distinct lies in a very short
paragraph. What you quoted me out of context! doesn't even come close
to supporting your accusation. And, it IS an accusation.

The only way out, short of that apology, is to answer my questions
about the posts, Snit. Those are your evidence that what you wrote is
true. So, show them to me, and I'll leave you alone.

Otherwise, I'm going to keep bringing this issue up, I won't let it
go, Snit. You aren't going to wear me down, I've been around a long
time, You aren't the first troll I've encountered. You need to learn
how to play chess if you want a snowballs chance in hell of this
going well for you, at any point in time.

Or, just fork the posts where I was called out and then later,
clarified I had the bot, in compiled code form; as you claimed:

http://al.howardknight.net/?ID=159159190100
Diesel made it clear he had access not just to the output of the bot
but to the code itself. When called out on this he clarified it was
merely the compiled code he had:

<***@ZdS859K14.7p1JRyU90Zyd>
-----
Do you think when you disassemble something that you're
provided the original source code that was
compiled/assembled by the author? You aren't, what you're
given looks nothing like the original source code, but it
still tells you *everything* about the program.
-----

So how did Diesel get a copy of the program, compiled or not? My
guess: he will NEVER say.

I want to see the post(s) where I "made it quite clear" that I had
access to more than just the posts the bots been making (the output -
atleast what's available to an end user; admin may provide more
information). I want to see the post(s) where I was "called out", and
finally, I want to see the post(s) where I clarified I had the
"compiled code".

Those are three, seperate and distinct lies in a very short
paragraph. What you quoted me out of context! doesn't even come close
to supporting your accusation. And, it IS an accusation.

Fork those posts, I'll apologize to you for making a wrongful
accusation against you and i'll leave you be. Or, own up to what you
did and apologize. Those are your only two options, like it or not,
Snit.

--
How can I miss you when you won't go away?

Diesel

2020-07-24 07:13:52 UTC

I already got Microsoft's message. I'm still blacklisted.
No loss. I did get the audio CD burned under Fedora, which
was all I really wanted to do with Win10. I did want to find
out if it would work, but they let me know that too. Linux
forever.

Why are you blacklisted?

I was drinking when I wrote that, although it's probably
correct.
I have explained in COLA before what happened when I tried to
reinstall Win10 and even Win7 last year. My theory on what
happened yesterday is that they put something on my NTFS
partition that flags me as banned from installing it at all, so
the USB drive I made detected that and just told the computer
to boot from the hard drive.
Then again, maybe something really was wrong with the USB
drive, but there's nothing to indicate that, and in fact it
seemed like it was created perfectly.

Joel,
Are you suggesting that Microsoft can prevent someone from
installing Windows 10 on a specific piece of computer hardware?

Installing, er, no. Preventing from full usage of the machine
once it is installed, yes. They revoke your key, and your license
along with it. If you still wish to continue using the software,
you either pir8 a copy with a crack/keygen/loader system, OR,
purcahse another license (key) for said product and use the oobe
to change your installed key to the new one; Allow Windows to
re-activate.

That rather sounds as if *YOU* - a so-called 'professional' - does
install such (pir8ed copies with a crack/keygen/loader system)
onto the computers used by your 'customers'.

No, it sounds like you're trying to pull a snit. And those articles
cover that too, it's common knowledge in the trade, David. I wouldn't
sell anyone a Windows system without a legitimate key. Along with
mostly disabling your system if you use a bad key, the system blatently
tells you it's pirated and what you should do to get the person who
ripped you off in potential serious trouble.

I'd be a fucking idiot to go and load bootleg copies of windows on
clients, never knowing when one is going to pop off and fuck me over
like that.

And a loader 'fix' is but an MS update away with the same results as
getting caught using a bad key. If I sell a new system to someone,
every piece of software present on that machine that isn't free will
have it's product key and associated media provided with the sale.

*REAL* professionals all know this too, which is another reason why a
real pro wouldn't do this on any machine that's going to another person
or company, not ever.

Personal use, and/or in house experimentation is an exception that a
real pro might undertake so they can better support clients who have a
bootleg copy of windows, provided by another person.

*REAL* Professionals would *NEVER* do such a thing.

I don't.

Joel hasn't mentioned Windows is rejecting a key, so.. that's
probably not the issue here.

If so, I'd be most interested to know *HOW* they can do that.
Clues welcome!

See above, idiot.

And again, you *are an idiot*. For fucks sake, you tried to tell me
that a professional IT friend of yours told you all hard drives start
life as 18terabytes in size and go down from there until they
stabilize. This is the same friend you , like snit, falsely accused me
of hacking their network; hacking it so deep infact that everything on
it could be erased. Your friend is not only a liar, David, but he's
incompetent as well.

You mentioned your friend had my "signature" and thats how he knew it
was me. I've asked before, and my "signature" can be demonstrated, so,
lets see what your friend thinks is mine; and I'll show you where mine
can be found, from twenty something years ago; so you can't accuse me
of recently fudging things. I'll further show your friend is an
incompetent fucking moron.

I'd also like to know your friends name, so that I might reach out to
his clients and inform them of the risk to their personal data he
caused. In this country, If I have personal data on you as a client, I
have to keep it reasonably safe from a data breach. I can be held
responsible if one occurs and your information is abused as a result.
I'm almost certain your country has laws similiar.

See what happens when you lie like you did, David? It can place your
friends business and income in jeopardy. I have your word that he
claims I hacked his entire network and trashed it all. That means,
according to your friend, I also had access to his customer data files,
and I shouldn't have been able to get access to them.

On a more serious note, if I actually did what you claimed, I'd have
already contacted each and everyone of those people so that they could
start legal proceedings against your friend for a huge data breach and
incompetence level repairs/services offered. And, I'd be able to
determine that from viewing his invoices and chatting with his clients.

I already know he shouldn't be repairing computers, based on what you
told me about him already. He's incompetent and he's placing peoples
personal information in harms way.

David, I'm curious enough to find your friend on my own if you don't
want to help me, and if I have to spend the energy to do that to defend
myself properly, I'll find out who his clients are and I will strongly
advise them to sue him for improperly storing their personal data.

Did he keep billing information on his network too? In my country, if I
do that, it has to be securely encrypted. According to you, his network
had all kinds of security problems; since you claimed he told you I
hacked into it and trashed it all.

You might have gotten your friend in trouble irl by using him to pass
along another bullshit story about me. <G> I'll pursue this matter as
time allows. It's of more interest to me than the bot that's flooding
here.

--
Madness takes its toll. Please have exact change.

David_B

2020-07-24 11:45:25 UTC

Post by Diesel
Personal use, and/or in house experimentation is an exception that a
real pro might undertake so they can better support clients who have a
bootleg copy of windows, provided by another person.

There should be *NO* exceptions. People not obeying the law should
always be reported to the police or other appropriate authorities.

Remind me of your post telling me/us about you stealing an expensive
motor trade software package and selling it cheaply to garages in and
around Kingsport. IIRC, that was in exchange for them doing work on your
personal vehicles "for free" - thereby defrauding your country's tax regime.

Diesel

2020-07-24 12:59:39 UTC

[snip]

I *TRUST* Snit. :-D

Do you also trust FromTheRafters and Apd?
Even if you don't trust Carroll, FromTherRafters agreed with
something he wrote concerning Snit that may be of interest to

Honest and good people can disagree -- another concept you fail to
understand.

I don't fail to understand that. But, this isn't an issue of any
disagreemets. It's an issue of you writing a bullshit story about me
and being unable to support it in any way shape or form. When you
asked for an explanation concerning what I wrote, that you lifted out
of context ever so carefully or so you thought to try and support
your unfounded accusations towards me.

I've asked you multiple times to provide MID(s) to the post(s) you
claimed called me out <crickets> I've asked you multiple times to
provide the MID(s) to the post(s) you claim were my being forced to
clarify that I actually had the bot in compiled form, as well
<crickets again>.

As one can see by following the links I've recently shared, everyone
agrees with me that you made an accusation towards me. And you
provided nothing in which to support it. You *lied*

You can claim you disagree with what we all wrote concerning your
question about what I meant with what I wrote all you want. It's
*highly unlikely* that four of us are in error and you are correct. I
know damn well what I meant, and obviously, so did everyone else in
that conversation; except for you.

When you were told what I meant by myself, Apd, Ftr, Carroll, and
some others I don't even know, you "disagreed" with everyone and
stuck to your bullshit story about me. Where the fuck do you even get
off thinking you can tell me you know more about something I wrote
than I did? I wrote it, I know damn well what I meant by it. You,
clearly, did not!

It is amazing how often you demonstrate significant comprehension
deficits.

What's amazing is that you didn't even start trying to attack me like
this until I brought your obvious reading comprehension problems to
light. In other words, pissant, you're projecting your shortcomings
and other problems onto me as a diversion tactic; You're still trying
to weasel your way out of that apology while being able to maintain
the totally bullshit claim that nobody can prove you're a liar; that
nobody provides proof of unfounded accusations you like to make
towards people. Well, I have:

http://al.howardknight.net/?ID=159159190100
Diesel made it clear he had access not just to the output of the bot
but to the code itself. When called out on this he clarified it was
merely the compiled code he had:

<***@ZdS859K14.7p1JRyU90Zyd>
-----
Do you think when you disassemble something that you're
provided the original source code that was
compiled/assembled by the author? You aren't, what you're
given looks nothing like the original source code, but it
still tells you *everything* about the program.
-----

So how did Diesel get a copy of the program, compiled or not? My
guess: he will NEVER say.

I want to see the post(s) where I "made it quite clear" that I had
access to more than just the posts the bots been making (the output -
atleast what's available to an end user; admin may provide more
information). I want to see the post(s) where I was "called out", and
finally, I want to see the post(s) where I clarified I had the
"compiled code".

Those are three, seperate and distinct lies in a very short
paragraph. What you quoted me out of context! doesn't even come close
to supporting your accusation. And, it IS an accusation.

--
Tell me what you need, and I'll tell you how to get along without it.

Diesel

2020-07-24 12:59:40 UTC

Well David? That's FOUR people, five if you include me who all
agree that snit accused me of something I didn't do, or have
anything to do with. Carroll went a step further, and, you don't
see Ftr or Apd disagreeing with him in the thread. Ftr lets you
know, on no uncertain terms his opinion of the matter. Apd has
also done so; I shared two! posts from him where he agrees, Snit
accused me of things I didn't do.
No misunderstanding on my part, three seperate and distinct lies
explained to him, IT ALREADY HAS BEEN, and Apd even references
that point. Snit continues to "DISAGREE" with all of us
concerning what I meant by what he cherry picked out of context
to try and support his accusation concerning my involvement with
the bot.
He's a liar, David, and he owes me an apology.

Let it go, Dustin.

Why should I do that, David? It's not like I asked him to go and
write such a story about me. At the time he went and did that, I had
him filtered. I actually had to not only release the filter, but
elect to reload articles to reset the already read marks; that's when
I noticed his first post making the claim. It's actually part of a
longer post where he thinks I was trying to troll him because of
something I wrote (which was truthful) about him to another person.

I didn't even know prior to doing all of that, that the post even
existed, or that it's been duplicated several times in different
replies from Snit that were directed to me, questioning, disagreeing,
whatever with something I wrote to someone that wasn't Snit.

It's not worth your time and energy.

I don't spend that much time on it. I'm only using a small amount of
free time, or when I'm taking a break from soldering to rest my
eyeballs. (I don't always solder under a scope) - or when I'm taking
a break to backup and punt when I'm troubleshooting an issue. See,
unlike Joel, I can't afford to be wiping and reloading over simple
issues like a failure to be able to burn, oh, say, an audio cd. I'm
paid to actually fix the issue without spending hours reloading
everything from scratch. fixing the issue properly also allows for
technote taking; describing the symptoms and the working fix -
whatever caused his issue has probably happened to others before so
the chances of me running into it aren't zero. So fix it once the
usual way, next time will be much faster because you have the
technotes you got from the first time around.

That is, if you actually are a *REAL* *PRO*, such as myself.

Snit is open and honest.

I've already proven that your statement is false. But, thanks for
trying!

You are not. <shrug>

I've also proven that statement is false, but again, I do thank you
for trying.

You've failed though.

--
Yorkshire man takes his cat to the vet.
Yorkshireman: "Ayup, lad, I need to talk to thee about me cat."
Vet: "Is it a tom?"
Yorkshireman: "Nay, I've browt it wi' us."

David_B

2020-07-24 20:10:39 UTC

Let it go, Dustin.

Why should I do that, David? It's not like I asked him to go and
write such a story about me. At the time he went and did that, I had
him filtered. I actually had to not only release the filter, but
elect to reload articles to reset the already read marks; that's when
I noticed his first post making the claim. It's actually part of a
longer post where he thinks I was trying to troll him because of
something I wrote (which was truthful) about him to another person.
I didn't even know prior to doing all of that, that the post even
existed, or that it's been duplicated several times in different
replies from Snit that were directed to me, questioning, disagreeing,
whatever with something I wrote to someone that wasn't Snit.

Snit has been heaven-sent to help expose you for the bad deeds you have
done - and for which you are not truly sorry.

It's not worth your time and energy.

I don't spend that much time on it. I'm only using a small amount of
free time, or when I'm taking a break from soldering to rest my
eyeballs. (I don't always solder under a scope) - or when I'm taking
a break to backup and punt when I'm troubleshooting an issue. See,
unlike Joel, I can't afford to be wiping and reloading over simple
issues like a failure to be able to burn, oh, say, an audio cd. I'm
paid to actually fix the issue without spending hours reloading
everything from scratch. fixing the issue properly also allows for
technote taking; describing the symptoms and the working fix -
whatever caused his issue has probably happened to others before so
the chances of me running into it aren't zero. So fix it once the
usual way, next time will be much faster because you have the
technotes you got from the first time around.
That is, if you actually are a *REAL* *PRO*, such as myself.

A *REAL* *PRO* has a business address published on-line and, nowadays,
invariably has a website and Facebook page too.

Snit is open and honest.

I've already proven that your statement is false. But, thanks for
trying!

You are not. <shrug>

I've also proven that statement is false, but again, I do thank you
for trying.
You've failed though.

Nope. Everyone reading your words *KNOWS* that you operate in the
shadows and live in fear of repercussions for your past bad deeds.

Gremlin

2020-07-29 21:04:23 UTC

[snip]

Post by Diesel
Why should I do that, David? It's not like I asked him to go and
write such a story about me. At the time he went and did that, I
had him filtered. I actually had to not only release the filter,
but elect to reload articles to reset the already read marks;
that's when I noticed his first post making the claim. It's
actually part of a longer post where he thinks I was trying to
troll him because of something I wrote (which was truthful) about
him to another person.
I didn't even know prior to doing all of that, that the post even
existed, or that it's been duplicated several times in different
replies from Snit that were directed to me, questioning,
disagreeing, whatever with something I wrote to someone that
wasn't Snit.

Snit has been heaven-sent to help expose you for the bad deeds you
have done - and for which you are not truly sorry.

Snit is a confirmed, and well known, liar David. And I can tell that
you've been hitting the bottle again, because your story has flip
flopped back around to me being a bad guy and you teaching me a
lesson. You are beyond pathetic, David.

Post by David_B
A *REAL* *PRO* has a business address published on-line and,
nowadays, invariably has a website and Facebook page too.

I'm not about to give you anything to help you continue your stalking
and besmirching efforts against me, asshat. No professional would.
And besides, that would actually meet the definition of spamming, no
question about it. You and snit would do well to learn WTF the words
you use to accuse people actually mean. Snit needs to learn what
called out means, as well as clarified. And you both need to learn
what honesty means; and work your asses off to emulate the concept -
we all know it won't be an easy task for either of you. You've
pickled your brain with excessive alcohol consumption over time, and
Snit has spent too much time taking the lids off prescription bottles
- you've both done a considerable amount of lifelong damage to that
gray matter.

Post by David_B
Nope. Everyone reading your words *KNOWS* that you operate in the
shadows and live in fear of repercussions for your past bad deeds.

Actually, heh, so far, everyone important is already on record
providing their opinion concerning Snit over some things he took the
time to write about me. He's not fooling anybody. Apd called him out,
Ftr has called him out, along with myself and Carroll.

And we all know that you'll turn a blind eye to anyone who gives
someone you don't like a hard time, for any reason. It's how you
roll. Yes, you're that impotent that you need to find new suckers
(fresh meat) to help your sliming campaigns against myself, clamxav
author, various site admins, and mvps. Yet, there's nothing wrong
with you, it's all us.

You and Snit have more in common with each other than either of you
are willing to admit. But your admission isn't necessary. Snit like
you has shown us all that they are an untrustworthy, liar. And that's
not likely to change anytime soon.

--
All good writing is swimming under water and holding your breath. --
F. Scott Fitzgerald

Diesel

2020-07-24 12:59:41 UTC

[....]

I'm 100% confident that Snit is not/was not
responsible for the 'flood' posts.

I'm inclined to agree with you there, David. I still don't think
either of them are actually behind it. I think it's most likely
one (but could be more) individual who knows them both (likely a
regular of cola or something they both know each other from) and
is taking advantage of their animosity towards each other for
free entertainment. Not only is the bot code itself lame as fuck
all, the individual who's so proud of it obviously is such a
loser, his/her only chance of entertainment is usenet trolling.
And, it's not even that good, being as it's so easy to filter
out.
Apd and myself disagree somewhat on the automation aspects of the
bot. I'm not convinced it's automated in any real way based on
some tests i've been doing. You didn't really think my replies to
yourself and Snit was only intended for you did ya? and, I'm not
spamming anywhere; thanks. Please learn to use the proper
terminology if you're going to accuse me of something. I've been
xposting for several reasons. One is part of an ongoing analysis
test and the other is to ensure the groups I'm familiar with all
get to know your new best friend, before he's able to cause much
of a ruckus there.

I have far more confidence in what Apd has to say on the matter.
:-D

Apd agrees with me concerning what Snit wrote about me. What is your
confidence in that? Or, is your confidence dependent on whether or
not he agrees with me, specifically? Do be honest, David. You never
know who might be reading this. <G>

--
Eschew obfuscation.

David_B

2020-07-24 18:54:36 UTC

[....]

I'm 100% confident that Snit is not/was not
responsible for the 'flood' posts.

I have far more confidence in what Apd has to say on the matter.
:-D

The truth is that, as far as I'm aware, Apd has always been truthful.

I've had no cause to doubt what he says, but confess that I would like
to have a better understanding of the 'real-life him.

Gremlin

2020-07-29 21:04:24 UTC

[....]

I'm 100% confident that Snit is not/was not
responsible for the 'flood' posts.

I'm inclined to agree with you there, David. I still don't
think either of them are actually behind it. I think it's most
likely one (but could be more) individual who knows them both
(likely a regular of cola or something they both know each
other from) and is taking advantage of their animosity towards
each other for free entertainment. Not only is the bot code
itself lame as fuck all, the individual who's so proud of it
obviously is such a loser, his/her only chance of entertainment
is usenet trolling. And, it's not even that good, being as it's
so easy to filter out.
Apd and myself disagree somewhat on the automation aspects of
the bot. I'm not convinced it's automated in any real way based
on some tests i've been doing. You didn't really think my
replies to yourself and Snit was only intended for you did ya?
and, I'm not spamming anywhere; thanks. Please learn to use the
proper terminology if you're going to accuse me of something.
I've been xposting for several reasons. One is part of an
ongoing analysis test and the other is to ensure the groups I'm
familiar with all get to know your new best friend, before he's
able to cause much of a ruckus there.

I have far more confidence in what Apd has to say on the matter.
:-D

Apd agrees with me concerning what Snit wrote about me. What is
your confidence in that? Or, is your confidence dependent on
whether or not he agrees with me, specifically? Do be honest,
David. You never know who might be reading this. <G>

The truth is that, as far as I'm aware, Apd has always been
truthful.

Good. I'm glad we have that established, and on the record. <G>

Now, as I told you, Apd along with Ftr have both stated that Snit
told a lie on me, and that he's been telling a series of them as he
continues to attack me. Since you've just admitted that Apd has
always been truthful with you, how do you explain his difference of
opinion concerning SNit vs yours?

When did I 'snip and run' with you?

Last week.
"Whatever the difference you still do the same things".
What I meant by "do" is "accuse each other of"

Yup.

And here's some more, so that there's no possible 'confusion' with

[...] you can see he's doing the same thing with Diesel
right now.

Yup.

Diesel is playing a very immature game. He insists he meant some

code

Post by David_B
other than the code to Carroll's Usenet flood bot. OK. Maybe I

missed

Post by David_B
the context -- but if so then what code did he mean. He never says.

That

Post by David_B
shoots down his own argument.

He was speaking about code in general, not any particular piece of
software. He said as much.

Post by David_B
[...] So if I ever directly said Diesel *WAS* helping Carroll I
rescind that.

You should perhaps reply to a post of his with that.

Post by David_B
[...] We all make mistakes. I simply cannot see why it matters so
much to Diesel.

None of us like to be accused of doing what we are not.

I've got a lot more where that came from. Snit tried to dismiss it as
babbling previously; he clearly didn't bother to check any of the
post message contents. unless he was writing about his own posts and
rightfully calling them 'babbling"? :)

Snit did accuse me of something I didn't do - he lied about me,
David. There was no misunderstanding. It was a lie, told by snit
here:

http://al.howardknight.net/?ID=159159190100
Diesel made it clear he had access not just to the output of the bot
but to the code itself. When called out on this he clarified it was
merely the compiled code he had:

<***@ZdS859K14.7p1JRyU90Zyd>
-----
Do you think when you disassemble something that you're
provided the original source code that was
compiled/assembled by the author? You aren't, what you're
given looks nothing like the original source code, but it
still tells you *everything* about the program.
-----

So how did Diesel get a copy of the program, compiled or not? My
guess: he will NEVER say.

I want to see the post(s) where I "made it quite clear" that I had
access to more than just the posts the bots been making (the output -
atleast what's available to an end user; admin may provide more
information). I want to see the post(s) where I was "called out", and
finally, I want to see the post(s) where I clarified I had the
"compiled code".

Those are three, seperate and distinct lies in a very short
paragraph. What you quoted me out of context! doesn't even come close
to supporting your accusation. And, it IS an accusation.

The section of my reply that he lifted out of context was explained
by myself, Apd, Ftr, etc. Snit didn't like that and claimed to
'disagree' with all of us about what I meant with my own words. As
if, as fucking if. There's no way we all misunderstood what I wrote,
David. And I'm not even sure at this point Snit actually did, either.

Your friend, much like you when caught lying about other posters,
dances around it, tries to play it off.

And since when is it an if accusation concerning working with or
otherwise helping carroll? Is his short term memory as fucked up as
yours, David? He's accused me of helping carroll multiple times.

Post by David_B
I've had no cause to doubt what he says, but confess that I would
like to have a better understanding of the 'real-life him.

Great, since you doubt nothing he's written, explain why you're
giving snit a free pass concerning their story they wrote about me.
An untrue, story at that, David. Go ahead, explain what your new
friend has been doing.

--
It would be nice if entropy could be used for something constructive.

David_B

2020-07-30 00:19:42 UTC

Post by David_B
I've had no cause to doubt what he says, but confess that I would
like to have a better understanding of the 'real-life him.

I've not really been following your discussion, Dustin. There was some
misunderstanding I gather. If Snit is the guilty party, just forgive him
and move on. You will feel MUCH better! :-D

Talk about something of interest? Did you mention elsewhere that you
have a replacement cat. How about showing all of us a photograph of it?

Snit

2020-07-30 00:49:58 UTC

Post by David_B
I've had no cause to doubt what he says, but confess that I would
like to have a better understanding of the 'real-life him.

I've not really been following your discussion, Dustin. There was some
misunderstanding I gather. If Snit is the guilty party, just forgive him
and move on. You will feel MUCH better! :-D

There has been a disagreement. I do not need Diesel (or Gremlin) to
agree. What I do wish is he would show some level of understanding. I
gave him many chances -- at least 14:

<***@mid.individual.net>
<***@mid.individual.net>
<***@mid.individual.net>
<***@mid.individual.net>
<***@mid.individual.net>
<***@mid.individual.net>
<***@mid.individual.net>
<***@mid.individual.net>
<***@mid.individual.net>
<***@mid.individual.net>
<***@mid.individual.net>
<***@mid.individual.net>
<***@mid.individual.net>
<***@mid.individual.net>

From there I pretty much gave up the focus on it and am happy to move
on (would have been happy to even before but it was clearly important to
Diesel). But to Diesel it is very important that I *SAY* I agree with
him, even when I have made it clear I do not. I want peace. He says he
will not accept peace unless I lie for him. I will not. As such, until
he is able to move on I do not see much chance for the peace I would
prefer. Given that I am responding to him less and less, though I do
sometimes still find it amusing to respond to his trolling.

Post by David_B
Talk about something of interest? Did you mention elsewhere that you
have a replacement cat. How about showing all of us a photograph of it?

A replacement? I hope noting happened to any pet of his!

Gremlin

2020-07-30 02:58:15 UTC

Post by David_B
I've had no cause to doubt what he says, but confess that I
would like to have a better understanding of the 'real-life
him.

Great, since you doubt nothing he's written, explain why you're
giving snit a free pass concerning their story they wrote about
me. An untrue, story at that, David. Go ahead, explain what your
new friend has been doing.

I've not really been following your discussion, Dustin. There was
some misunderstanding I gather. If Snit is the guilty party, just
forgive him and move on. You will feel MUCH better! :-D

There has been a disagreement. I do not need Diesel (or Gremlin)
to agree. What I do wish is he would show some level of

No, there's been a bullshit story told by you about me. A story for
which you won't apologize, so far.

http://al.howardknight.net/?ID=159159190100
Diesel made it clear he had access not just to the output of the bot
but to the code itself. When called out on this he clarified it was
merely the compiled code he had:

<***@ZdS859K14.7p1JRyU90Zyd>
-----
Do you think when you disassemble something that you're
provided the original source code that was
compiled/assembled by the author? You aren't, what you're
given looks nothing like the original source code, but it
still tells you *everything* about the program.
-----

So how did Diesel get a copy of the program, compiled or not? My
guess: he will NEVER say.

I want to see the post(s) where I "made it quite clear" that I had
access to more than just the posts the bots been making (the output -
atleast what's available to an end user; admin may provide more
information). I want to see the post(s) where I was "called out", and
finally, I want to see the post(s) where I clarified I had the
"compiled code".

Those are three, seperate and distinct lies in a very short
paragraph. What you quoted me out of context! doesn't even come close
to supporting your accusation. And, it IS an accusation.

Post by Snit
From there I pretty much gave up the focus on it and am happy to move
on (would have been happy to even before but it was clearly
important to Diesel).
[...] We all make mistakes. I simply cannot see why it matters so
much to Diesel.

Apd responded:

None of us like to be accused of doing what we are not.

Post by Snit
But to Diesel it is very important that I
*SAY* I agree with him, even when I have made it clear I do not.

You've made it clear that you can't defend the lies you wrote about
me, but you're still going to try and roll with it anyway. I already
know that. It doesn't change the fact that what you wrote is an
unfounded accusation. You went out of your way to accuse me of
something I did NOT do. At no time have you provided any evidence, of
any kind! to backup your claims. You owe me an apology, Snit.

You also owe me an apology for falsely claiming I was either Carroll
himself, or a sock of his. Or, are you going to deny you did that
too?

Post by Snit
I want peace.

You clearly don't want peace. You want to continue trolling myself
and others here. You'd very much like for me to back off and let you
continue with your bullshit, unchallenged too, I've no doubt. Snit,
you've falsely claimed I have reading comprehension issues, that I
don't even understand the basics of IT, and various other lies.
You've even gone so far as to accuse me of being called out for my
involvement with the bot, and then clarifying that I actually had the
bot in compiled form. The only problem with that entire story is the
fact, it's a completely fabricated story that you wrote. Nothing in
it is true, or ever was true. There's no posts you can find that are
calling me out, and there's no posts you can find where I made any
such clarification. YOU MADE IT ALL UP. YOU LIED.

Post by Snit
He says he will not accept peace unless I lie for him.
I will not.

That's not true. I've said little about peace. I've focused on your
ability to lie on me, with ease (or so you thought), and your
inability to admit that's exactly what you did and apologize for
having done it.

You *already lied* Snit:

http://al.howardknight.net/?ID=159159190100
Diesel made it clear he had access not just to the output of the bot
but to the code itself. When called out on this he clarified it was
merely the compiled code he had:

<***@ZdS859K14.7p1JRyU90Zyd>
-----
Do you think when you disassemble something that you're
provided the original source code that was
compiled/assembled by the author? You aren't, what you're
given looks nothing like the original source code, but it
still tells you *everything* about the program.
-----

So how did Diesel get a copy of the program, compiled or not? My
guess: he will NEVER say.

I want to see the post(s) where I "made it quite clear" that I had
access to more than just the posts the bots been making (the output -
atleast what's available to an end user; admin may provide more
information). I want to see the post(s) where I was "called out", and
finally, I want to see the post(s) where I clarified I had the
"compiled code".

Those are three, seperate and distinct lies in a very short
paragraph. What you quoted me out of context! doesn't even come close
to supporting your accusation. And, it IS an accusation.

** end

What I'd like, very much like, is an apology from you for having
written what you did above. That's what I'm after Snit. Be a man, own
up to what you did, pat yourself on the back for giving it a good try
, accept that you got busted, or snitted, whatever term you prefer,
and apologize.

Then, we can put this behind us. I've no doubt you'll try something
equally as stupid in the future, based on reading posts from you
going back over a decade - you aren't one who learns fast at
anything.

Post by Snit
As such, until he is able to move on I do not see much
chance for the peace I would prefer.

It's difficult to move on, when what you actually want is for me to
let you slide. I just can't do that, you lie too much about me for me
to let you off the hook this time. No, an apology is in order, I'm
deserving of one. I want one.

Post by Snit
Given that I am responding to him less and less, though I do
sometimes still find it amusing to respond to his trolling.

That snarky little remark, along with piles of others recently,
directly contradicts your bullshit claims of wanting any 'peace' with
me. If you wanted peace, Snit, even if you wouldn't apologize, you
wouldn't still try taking shit shots like that at me; shots you can't
even support at that. Sad, little toadie.

Post by David_B
Talk about something of interest? Did you mention elsewhere that
you have a replacement cat. How about showing all of us a
photograph of it?

A replacement? I hope noting happened to any pet of his!

Yea well, I'm curious about that comment myself. My cat isn't aware
of any replacements either, and I'd think, they'd be one of the first
if not the first to know about such an event?

--
Thank God for compensating errors.

David_B

2020-07-30 09:03:04 UTC

Post by Gremlin
Yea well, I'm curious about that comment myself. My cat isn't aware
of any replacements either, and I'd think, they'd be one of the first
if not the first to know about such an event?

The first one I saw was *THE MOST UGLY CAT* I have ever seen!

Snit

2020-07-30 03:56:18 UTC

Post by David_B
I've had no cause to doubt what he says, but confess that I
would like to have a better understanding of the 'real-life
him.

Great, since you doubt nothing he's written, explain why you're
giving snit a free pass concerning their story they wrote about
me. An untrue, story at that, David. Go ahead, explain what your
new friend has been doing.

I've not really been following your discussion, Dustin. There was
some misunderstanding I gather. If Snit is the guilty party, just
forgive him and move on. You will feel MUCH better! :-D

There has been a disagreement. I do not need Diesel (or Gremlin) to
agree. What I do wish is he would show some level of understanding.
From there I pretty much gave up the focus on it and am happy to move
on (would have been happy to even before but it was clearly
important to Diesel). But to Diesel it is very important that I *SAY*
I agree with him, even when I have made it clear I do not. I want
peace. He says he will not accept peace unless I lie for him. I will
not. As such, until he is able to move on I do not see much chance
for the peace I would prefer. Given that I am responding to him less
and less, though I do sometimes still find it amusing to respond to
his trolling.

Post by David_B
Talk about something of interest? Did you mention elsewhere that
you have a replacement cat. How about showing all of us a
photograph of it?

A replacement? I hope noting happened to any pet of his!

Diesel, who also uses the name Gremlin in his trolling, ran from this.

Poor guy. Maybe some day he will figure out how to find posts based on
their message IDs.

Gremlin

2020-07-30 02:58:15 UTC

Post by David_B
I've had no cause to doubt what he says, but confess that I
would like to have a better understanding of the 'real-life him.

Great, since you doubt nothing he's written, explain why you're
giving snit a free pass concerning their story they wrote about
me. An untrue, story at that, David. Go ahead, explain what your
new friend has been doing.

I've not really been following your discussion, Dustin. There was
some misunderstanding I gather. If Snit is the guilty party, just
forgive him and move on. You will feel MUCH better! :-D

Let me bring you upto speed. No, I don't believe you aren't aware of
what's been going on for a second David. You've commented about it
too much for that to be true. :)

http://al.howardknight.net/?ID=159159190100
Diesel made it clear he had access not just to the output of the bot
but to the code itself. When called out on this he clarified it was
merely the compiled code he had:

<***@ZdS859K14.7p1JRyU90Zyd>
-----
Do you think when you disassemble something that you're
provided the original source code that was
compiled/assembled by the author? You aren't, what you're
given looks nothing like the original source code, but it
still tells you *everything* about the program.
-----

So how did Diesel get a copy of the program, compiled or not? My
guess: he will NEVER say.

I want to see the post(s) where I "made it quite clear" that I had
access to more than just the posts the bots been making (the output -
atleast what's available to an end user; admin may provide more
information). I want to see the post(s) where I was "called out", and
finally, I want to see the post(s) where I clarified I had the
"compiled code".

Those are three, seperate and distinct lies in a very short
paragraph. What you quoted me out of context! doesn't even come close
to supporting your accusation. And, it IS an accusation.

Where are the posts calling me out David? Snit can't provide them.
Where are the posts showing I clarified I had the bot in compiled
code form, David? Snit can't provide those either.

What you see above is a purely made up, bullshit story that Snit
wrote about me, to you; at the time in which I had him kf'd. He
repeated that lie several times before I opted to call him out on it.
And you responded to that very lie several times.

So, would you like to lie again and claim you haven't been following
along, or are otherwise, stupid about the issue? :) I'll be happy to
provide additional MIDs showing you've been aware of it. I like it
when you lie and make it so easy to show that's what you're doing. I
really do.

Post by David_B
Talk about something of interest?

David, when I do that, for any reason, along comes snit to either
claim I'm trying to impress him or that i'm bsing about something I
wrote, or that I'm bragging or otherwise showing arrogance. It
doesn't matter what the subject is, either. That's how snit sees
replies from me. When he's not confusing me for being carroll or a
sock of carrolls, that is.

David, you like making phone calls to stalk people, why don't you
give the real prescott computer company a call and ask them about
snits professional work? They still get some of his clients. Wanna
know how I know this? I didn't go by some usenet posts. I made a
phone call and had a nice chat with a professional technician;
obviously, not Snit.

Needless to say, snit has brought the other company some additional
business - they fix his fuckups and bill accordingly. Don't take my
word for it, call them and ask about him yourself. They are very
familiar with him. Did you know he named his company very close to
theirs? Some people might even say it was to intentionally mislead
customers of the original one to his, instead. Riding on their
reputation and already established advertising.

Go ahead, David, call the store and ask them about your pal. I did.
He's been acting to far out there for me not to be thorough during my
research, David. Plus, his accusations and smartass comments really
stressed that I should get to know as much as I can about the
assclown; without having to trust them to be honest with me.

If you need the number, just ask me. I'll publish it here. The offer
stands for anyone who's curious about snits actual technical skill
level here. I'm not making this up, the dude is (hah, much like you!)
a danger to himself, the equipment, and the data present on it. He's
a fuckup, gives real technicians like myself, a bad name; he's the
shady tree mechanic with the missing front teeth that's using a
hammer to make that new radiator 'fit' right <G>

There's a reason you didn't see him so much as even try! to help Joel
diagnose the audio cd burning problem. It's because he's just as
fucking clueless as Joel! You did see me offer to help Joel though,
and I started out by asking STANDARD QUESTIONS ANY REAL TECHNICIAN
WOULD ASK. And had Joel followed up with an answer, instead of a
hasty wipe and reload, I'm confident it could have been resolved
without hosing the OS in the process.

Post by David_B
Did you mention elsewhere that you have a replacement cat. How
about showing all of us a photograph of it?

Cats are a great topic, but, first we really do need to clear up your
friends un-necessary need not only to lie about various individuals
here (Carroll and myself, presently) but his seriously, absurd levels
of jealousy towards me. And, David, let's not even pretend you don't
see it. Snit feels so inferior to me, he's tried everything he can
think of to bring me closer to his level. I've only known two other
people, ever, who acted like that with me, and it didn't work out
well for either of them either. And one I actually considered a
friend- I brought him into the fold as it were, only for him to take
the knowledge I gave him and do something bad with it for a promotion
and fifty cent raise. Sold me out cheap he did. <G>

He got the promotion, but got himself seriously injured on the job
not two months later; he got to ride the lightning for a few moments
because like snit, and joel, greatly exaggerated his actual knowledge
of electronics and other aspects of IT. He got into a UPS that was in
for servicing. It proceeded to energize him. h0h0h0. And it got
worse, I told all my buddies on irc what he was doing to me irl (they
knew we knew each other in person) - so they did what good
blackhatters do when one is being fucked with and betrayed in such a
manner, - a pillage and a plundering we went. Did you know he still
owes for a house he's never even seen? And he's been to court trying
to get out of it twice that I know if, he can't so far! <SHAMELESS
BIG FUCKING GRIN>

Your friend is a tosser, David. A fucking toadie. Nothing to be proud
of. NO good qualities. He is what floats on the surface of pondscum.
And you, are the pondscum he's floating about on. Does it remind you
of the sewage canals?

And what do you mean about a replacement cat? Where do you get the
idea? When did I replace this cat? What did I replace said cat with?
What kind of cat did I have previously? I am confused by your
statement, David. /que snit 'see! he has a reading comprehension
problem, and, well, I'd know, because I actually do have a severe
case of it!'

--
The worst whistlers whistle the most.

Gremlin

2020-07-30 00:42:26 UTC

[....]

I'm 100% confident that Snit is not/was not
responsible for the 'flood' posts.

I'm inclined to agree with you there, David. I still don't
think either of them are actually behind it. I think it's
most likely one (but could be more) individual who knows
them both (likely a regular of cola or something they both
know each other from) and is taking advantage of their
animosity towards each other for free entertainment. Not
only is the bot code itself lame as fuck all, the
individual who's so proud of it obviously is such a loser,
his/her only chance of entertainment is usenet trolling.
And, it's not even that good, being as it's so easy to
filter out.
Apd and myself disagree somewhat on the automation aspects
of the bot. I'm not convinced it's automated in any real
way based on some tests i've been doing. You didn't really
think my replies to yourself and Snit was only intended
for you did ya? and, I'm not spamming anywhere; thanks.
Please learn to use the proper terminology if you're going
to accuse me of something. I've been xposting for several
reasons. One is part of an ongoing analysis test and the
other is to ensure the groups I'm familiar with all get to
know your new best friend, before he's able to cause much
of a ruckus there.

I have far more confidence in what Apd has to say on the matter.
:-D

Apd agrees with me concerning what Snit wrote about me. What
is your confidence in that? Or, is your confidence dependent
on whether or not he agrees with me, specifically? Do be
honest, David. You never know who might be reading this. <G>

The truth is that, as far as I'm aware, Apd has always been truthful.
I've had no cause to doubt what he says, but confess that I
would like to have a better understanding of the 'real-life
him.

Being that you've neglected your lesson on function basics,
and being that Snit now seems to have 'manipulated' you into
being ashamed to even try to learn anything (that's some
let mystery =
[72,111,119,32,99,97,110,32,65,112,100,32,107,110,111,119,32,11
6, 104,101,,32,116,114,117,116,104,32,104,101,114,101,63]
function mysterySolver(array) { return mystery.map(num =>
String.fromCharCode(num)).join('') }
What's going on there?

I'll pass - and ask FromTheRafters.

I ran it and got "undefined".
But what it is doing is getting the ASCII character of each
code. Given how ASCII is a standard, notice how Carroll did not
have to specify what OS or machine... ASCII will be the same on
macOS, Linux, Windows, etc.

ASCII is one standard, and this is all besides the point.

It was pretty key to the point I was making, and perhaps the one
Carroll was.

What point were you making, other than to try and take a snide shot
at me (Diesel) snit?

But, of course, being that you almost surely ARE Carroll you can
speak for him.

Someone can't read headers for shit, nor can they comprehend the concept of a 'writing style'.

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****

What do you suppose is the same about those two headers, Snit? What
do you suppose is inside those headers that pretty much is a dead
fucking give away that I, Gremlin, am also known as Diesel, as well
as Raid. Take your time, nearly illiterate adult; I know you skimmed
the post, because that's the best your reading level allows for. I
also know you have to do that because you lack the intelligence to
understand what you read in full context. And you demonstrated that
yet again with your accusation of my being Carroll and/or a sock of
Carrolls. You could have saved yourself the trouble and another
false accusation by reviewing the fucking headers. Now, I have that
much more doubt of a poster being a carroll sock just because you
claim they are. You just confused me for being one! And this isn't
the first time you did it, either.

And, again being Carroll, you will try to speak FOR
me, and your posts will show your obsession with me. And you will
"magically" have knowledge of Carroll's accusations from the past,
but then whenever I quote Carroll you will pretend to not know a
thing about it and demand Message IDs and then twist just as
Carroll does.

I'm not Carroll, and outside of here, I don't know Carroll anymore
so than I know you. But, what I know about the both of you is that
you have websites dedicated to warning people about you, just like
David Brooks - and I'd say it's for the same reasons. I've not been
able to find sites dedicated to warning others about Carroll. Why
might that be?

And let's not even bother considering the fact you just accused me
(wrongfully!) of being Carroll himself, and/or a fucking sock of
his.

It seems to me that anyone who posts something you don't like, or is
otherwise not a positive example of you, is a sock; by default. I'm
much more inclined at this point to believe you actually do have
that many people who despise you for the same reasons as I have
formed a strong dislike towards you. I bet it mostly revolves around
your consistent need to be a liar. A confirmed, liar, Snit.

All predictable. And all explained best by you being yet another
Carroll sock. You really do not understand how poorly you hide
your tells, Carroll -- but folks like Diesel will PRETEND to not
see to further their trolling, and you will use their insecurities
to manipulate them. Again, all very predictable.

I am Diesel!, you illiterate shitstain on the underwear of life.

Learn to read a header, illiterate gobshite. Seriously. Learn to
fucking read AND COMPREHEND what you are reading. It's not a
selective thing Snit, it's a life long skill and you don't have a
very good understanding of it.

See below for a string of your tells... you really just can't deal
with the fact I have you set on auto-read. You NEED my attention.
How pathetic.

A string of my tells? Dude, you went way above and beyond the call
of duty to show yourself as an ignoramous asshat who doesn't even
have the reading level of a 4th grader in American public schools,
in say, detroit. You don't have me set on auto-read you ignorant
shit, we don't have matching addresses. And, we're not the same
person.

It's quite clear to most of us that you're the one here to play
games, Snit.

See: tell after tell after tell. I wonder who will pretend to not
see it? Diesel and Shadow, surely. Others might just have no
comment, not wanting to get involved... but do you think they
REALLY do not see it? Are people REALLY as stupid as you need them
to be, Carroll?

What in the fuck are you going on about? Snit, dude, listen and listen close, you haven't succesfully snowed anybody here into believing you
aren't a lying, fuckwit, of a troll.

When did I 'snip and run' with you?

Last week.
"Whatever the difference you still do the same things".
What I meant by "do" is "accuse each other of"

Yup.

From: FromTheRafters <***@nomail.afraid.org>
Newsgroups: alt.computer.workshop

He was speaking about code in general, not any particular piece
of software. He said as much.

I have agreed he may have changed topics away from Carroll's
Usenet flood bot. He does tend to wander a lot as he posts.

You *didn't* understand what Apd wrote, or, you did, and are trying
to twist it into something else entirely. Which is it?

It is my understanding he said you changed topics away from Carroll's
flood bot code to code in general. If he disagrees he can tell me.

No I didn't say he changed topics. The talk about code in general was
directly related to the topic of the bot code itself.

You *really* believe the BS he's slinging at you now?
That it was in general doesn't mean it didn't apply
to the code in the context of the discussion, Snit is
*fully* aware of that fact. He's playing you and I
think you know it.

For the record, I've know Diesel a long time and while we've had our
run-ins and disagreements,

Is that your issue here (same one you have with me)?

I believe him when he says he has no access
to the flood-bot code.

That misses the point, the question here is *why*
Snit points fingers like he does. Anyone reading
can see it's beyond the 'hard sell' stage. What
do you get by ignoring the obvious to this extent?
That's what I don't understand. You get to converse
with people who are 'nice' to you? That they are
pathologically lying pieces of sh*t is irrelevant?

Even if you'd not made the accusation

The story, as I see it, is that somebody is running a lame spoofer
flooder bot or whatever and others are arguing about whose it is. I
don't care, it is filtered out.

I see it, but I skip most of the bot related posts because I am not
interested in such a lame program.

** end paste

See that Snit? can you comprehend what they are agreeing with that
was written about you by your detractor? They are agreeing that
Carroll was telling the truth about you, atleast in so far as your
need to lash out and attack. And, they've all noticed what you've
been doing towards me, too.

In case you're still confused, Snit, Carroll wrote some negative
things about what you've been doing here and specifically towards
me. Apd and FTR responded that they are *both* well aware of what
you're doing; neither of them disagreed with Carroll at any point
when he described your activities as he did in both of those posts I
shared here. So, if you're thinking that you snowed them and they
are seeing things from your fucked up point of view; we can all
agree, that's not the case. They are aware of your continued efforts
to lie and weasel around acknowledging what you wrote or issuing an
apology for it. There's no doubt about it, we all agree on that,
snit.

--
Cats must sit in mom's pants/underwear when she is on the throne.

Gremlin

2020-07-30 02:58:13 UTC

...

But what it is doing is getting the ASCII character of each
code. Given how ASCII is a standard, notice how Carroll did
not have to specify what OS or machine... ASCII will be the
same on macOS, Linux, Windows, etc.

ASCII is one standard, and this is all besides the point.

It was pretty key to the point I was making, and perhaps the one
Carroll was.

What point were you making, other than to try and take a snide
shot at me (Diesel) snit?

Thank you for admitting you failed to understand the point. I
think that is a good move forward for you.

Hmm. I have a pretty good idea of what Carroll meant, and I already
know what you thought he meant wasn't it; I already read his reply.
Are you sure you still want to try the 'I didn't understand' routine,
when Carroll responded and told you that you didn't? :)

It's okay, you tried the same thing with Apd a couple of times, even
going so far as to pretend that you and he agreed on something. Do
you remember? Here's what he wrote in response: And no, snit, before
you even try it, I'm not changing topics or subjects; I'm showing a
comparison of what you do, it's one of your favorite troll movements
right out of your trolling 101 book.

He was speaking about code in general, not any particular piece
of software. He said as much.

I have agreed he may have changed topics away from Carroll's
Usenet flood bot. He does tend to wander a lot as he posts.

You *didn't* understand what Apd wrote, or, you did, and are
trying to twist it into something else entirely. Which is it?

It is my understanding he said you changed topics away from
Carroll's flood bot code to code in general. If he disagrees he
can tell me.

No I didn't say he changed topics. The talk about code in general
was directly related to the topic of the bot code itself.
That agreed nonsense is also covered in the snitlist, it's something
you like to try and pull when the conversation is not going in your
favor. Apd corrected you several times though. He didn't agree with
your claim, and he again explained what I wrote was about.

I was noting how Carroll need not specify what system ASCII
applies to, given how it is a standard. That is it. A simple
concept. Are you able to understand that?

So Carroll disagreed with what you wrote because?

If so maybe we can move forward and look at how ASCII is really a
suite of standards... but want to make sure you have the basics
down first.

Heh, before you attempt to educate me on the basics (that would be
great for several laughs, all of which will be at your expense),
let's resolve your tendency of lying about me, with an apology from
you for having done so:

http://al.howardknight.net/?ID=159159190100
Diesel made it clear he had access not just to the output of the bot
but to the code itself. When called out on this he clarified it was
merely the compiled code he had:

<***@ZdS859K14.7p1JRyU90Zyd>
-----
Do you think when you disassemble something that you're
provided the original source code that was
compiled/assembled by the author? You aren't, what you're
given looks nothing like the original source code, but it
still tells you *everything* about the program.
-----

So how did Diesel get a copy of the program, compiled or not? My
guess: he will NEVER say.

I want to see the post(s) where I "made it quite clear" that I had
access to more than just the posts the bots been making (the output -
atleast what's available to an end user; admin may provide more
information). I want to see the post(s) where I was "called out", and
finally, I want to see the post(s) where I clarified I had the
"compiled code".

Those are three, seperate and distinct lies in a very short
paragraph. What you quoted me out of context! doesn't even come close
to supporting your accusation. And, it IS an accusation.

Can you understand exactly what it is I'm asking of you here, Snit?
It's a very simple request. You were very specific in what you
claimed. Posts supporting your accusations (all three of them!)
should be easy for you to find and share. So, get to it, or admit you
lied, and apologize.

--
Oh dear, I've gone and inflated my ego.

Gremlin

2020-07-30 00:42:27 UTC

-----
I've been booted off by past providers before because
people complain about me and all my bullshit. I don't
want to lose my ISP*again* but I still need my army of
sock puppets so I continually search usenet for
whatever servers I haven't yet been booted from.

https://groups.google.com/g/comp.os.ms-windows.networking.window
s /c/kbBnF7Aogf0
HTH :-D

Sorry. No bueno.
A post with a similar email address as Steve Carroll and written
in the third person doesn't constitute a form of legitimate
proof of snit's statements.
And why are you answering for snit? Can't snit answer directly?
Maybe you would like to try again?

account. He has been planting "evidence" for years using various
similar to Steve Carrolls real account emails. He is also behind
claiming it's posted under other email addresses he has yet to
provide any evidence of this which means it's just another lie he
can add to the 1000's he has posted over the years.
Snit is a sicko pathological liar.

THOSE have Carroll's tells... the other sock which people asked if
it was Carroll did not.

Actually, the post david cited is written like your posts, and the

Gremlin

2020-07-30 00:42:28 UTC

Simon <***@mailer.org> news:XnsAC074F94E2CE19999@
144.76.35.198 Mon, 27 Jul 2020 11:49:23 GMT in alt.computer.workshop,

I do not have the list, but this is a quote from him (though he
then lied and tried to attribute it to *me*, as being dishonest
-----
I've been booted off by past providers before because
people complain about me and all my bullshit. I don't want
to lose my ISP *again* but I still need my army of sock
puppets so I continually search usenet for whatever
servers I haven't yet been booted from.
-----

MID ?

Don't expect to see one anytime soon. Snit's pulled this before.

--
To live in the hearts we leave behind, is not to die.

David_B

2020-07-30 08:02:46 UTC

-----
I've been booted off by past providers before because
people complain about me and all my bullshit. I don't want
to lose my ISP*again* but I still need my army of sock
puppets so I continually search usenet for whatever
servers I haven't yet been booted from.

https://www.google.com/search?q=+Steve+Carroll%3A%0A+++++-----%0A+++++I%27ve+been+booted+off+by+past+providers+before+because%0A+++++people+complain+about+me+and+all+my+bullshit.+I+don%27t+want%0A+++++to+lose+my+ISP+*again*+but+I+still+need+my+army+of+sock%0A+++++puppets+so+I+continually+search+usenet+for+whatever%0A+++++servers+I+haven%27t+yet+been+booted+from.

David_B

2020-07-30 08:11:57 UTC

      -----
      I've been booted off by past providers before because
      people complain about me and all my bullshit. I don't want
      to lose my ISP*again* but I still need my army of sock
      puppets so I continually search usenet for whatever
      servers I haven't yet been booted from.

https://www.endofthelinebbs.com/?page=001-forum.ssjs&sub=lnlinuxy99&thread=1082

Snit

2020-07-30 08:17:00 UTC

      -----
      I've been booted off by past providers before because
      people complain about me and all my bullshit. I don't want
      to lose my ISP*again* but I still need my army of sock
      puppets so I continually search usenet for whatever
      servers I haven't yet been booted from.

https://www.endofthelinebbs.com/?page=001-forum.ssjs&sub=lnlinuxy99&thread=1082

Does Carroll now deny being booted from any of those services?

--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They
cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel
somehow superior by attacking the messenger. They cling to their attacks
and ignore the message time and time again.

David_B

2020-07-30 10:49:36 UTC

      -----
      I've been booted off by past providers before because
      people complain about me and all my bullshit. I don't want
      to lose my ISP*again* but I still need my army of sock
      puppets so I continually search usenet for whatever
      servers I haven't yet been booted from.

https://www.endofthelinebbs.com/?page=001-forum.ssjs&sub=lnlinuxy99&thread=1082

Does Carroll now deny being booted from any of those services?

He and I haven't discussed these matters.

Steve Carroll

2020-07-30 13:33:18 UTC

["Followup-To:" header set to alt.computer.workshop.]
"Translation: I've been booted off by past providers before because
people complain about me and all my bullshit. I don't want to lose my
ISP *again* but I still need my army of sock puppets so I continually
search usenet for whatever servers I haven't yet been booted from."

(out of context quote by Snit now fixed)

Snit

2020-07-30 17:46:18 UTC

       -----
       I've been booted off by past providers before because
       people complain about me and all my bullshit. I don't want
       to lose my ISP*again* but I still need my army of sock
       puppets so I continually search usenet for whatever
       servers I haven't yet been booted from.

https://www.endofthelinebbs.com/?page=001-forum.ssjs&sub=lnlinuxy99&thread=1082

Does Carroll now deny being booted from any of those services?

He and I haven't discussed these matters.

I bet he will refuse to. In the past he has talked about having content
removed and losing services, and there are links he has pointed to
online where he talks about losing service for abuse of systems. Here is
one example:

https://x10hosting.com/community/threads/my-recent-suspension.138524/

There he admits to being "suspended" from x10hosting.

Elsewhere he has blamed me for his getting in trouble for abusing IP.

His quote above, no matter how much he tries to attribute it to me or
blame me for his own words, applies to him and not to me.

Gremlin

2020-07-30 00:42:28 UTC

https://groups.google.com/g/comp.os.ms-windows.networking.windo
ws /c/kbBnF7Aogf0
HTH :-D

Sorry. No bueno.
A post with a similar email address as Steve Carroll and
written in the third person doesn't constitute a form of
legitimate proof of snit's statements.
And why are you answering for snit? Can't snit answer directly?
Maybe you would like to try again?

account. He has been planting "evidence" for years using various
similar to Steve Carrolls real account emails. He is also
snit claiming it's posted under other email addresses he has yet
to provide any evidence of this which means it's just another
lie he can add to the 1000's he has posted over the years.

Apparently snit has been playing this nym copying game for a long
time. It's quite obvious that snit is behind the spam messages
posted by some kiddie script he has cobbled together from code
fragments he found on the net.
Snit is not intelligent enough to design something from scratch,
even something as poorly implemented as his bot.

That appears to be the case, going by various interactions with him
here; some of which I've participated in under the nym Diesel.

All snit has to do is answer a few questions, provide an MID to
substantiate his claims and he would not only show honesty but
would also shut down the various people asking for him to prove
his claims.

Indeed. I have no problem admitting when/if I'm wrong about
something. I've asked for MIDs from him for various things he's
written, all to no avail. He won't even provide MIDs to backup the
lies he wrote about me here:

http://al.howardknight.net/?ID=159159190100
Diesel made it clear he had access not just to the output of the bot
but to the code itself. When called out on this he clarified it was
merely the compiled code he had:

<***@ZdS859K14.7p1JRyU90Zyd>
-----
Do you think when you disassemble something that you're
provided the original source code that was
compiled/assembled by the author? You aren't, what you're
given looks nothing like the original source code, but it
still tells you *everything* about the program.
-----

So how did Diesel get a copy of the program, compiled or not? My
guess: he will NEVER say.

I want to see the post(s) where I "made it quite clear" that I had
access to more than just the posts the bots been making (the output -
atleast what's available to an end user; admin may provide more
information). I want to see the post(s) where I was "called out", and
finally, I want to see the post(s) where I clarified I had the
"compiled code".

Those are three, seperate and distinct lies in a very short
paragraph. The section he quotes that I wrote has nothing to do with
any specific bot, and he was told this, ad nausem when he first asked
me about it. He lifted it from a reply I wrote to him, questioning
how much he actually knew about programming - because he wrote some
erroneous statements on what one needed/didn't need to determine how
the algorithm works. The part of the reply he cherry picked was going
into more detail concerning that erroneous comment of his, and this
was explained when I wrote it. It was also explained *again* by Apd.

Snit opted to "disagree" with both of us concerning what I meant with
the words I used. If you examine the entire reply, in full context,
it becomes quite obvious to anyone who doesn't have a severe reading
comprehension issue that I was NOT writing about any specific piece
of code, that I did NOT change subjects, etc. As was explained to
him, by several other people.

When he's told something he doesn't like, he dismisses it as a
"disagreement". I know damn well what I meant by what I wrote, and so
does anyone who doesn't have a reading comprehension issue.

Snit is the only one who is still confused about what I wrote.

But he never will and the reason is because he can't prove what
never happened. Snit likes to re-write history and whether it's
due to the long term effects of the various drug cocktails he has
been poisoning his brain with for years or he really does believe
people are as stupid as he needs them to be and simply expects
people to take his word as truth.

That's exactly what he does, in a nutshell. His efforts to snow
various individuals here though, have failed.

When did I 'snip and run' with you?

Last week.
"Whatever the difference you still do the same things".
What I meant by "do" is "accuse each other of"

Yup.

And I have more examples of his failure to con or otherwise snow
various individuals here. He's trying his best? to confuse things and
ride me, but it's not working as you can clearly see.

Based upon the various websites documenting snit's behavior, which
BTW show high in Google ratings,that ain't gonna happen.

Indeed. And the websites aren't quoting him out of context, or
otherwise fabricating stories about him either. MIDs are provided,
and from those, entire threads can be pulled for contextual review.
Snit really is as various people have gone to great lengths to
describe him as being.

Snit is a sicko pathological liar.

Indeed he is. Personally I don't know how he is able to live with
himself. He's obviously a pathetic old man who has watched life
pass him by because he spent all of that time trolling the
Internet.

Oh, to hear Snit tell it, he's spent time 'teaching people. You
believe that right? :)

If snit wasn't so dishonest and pathetic this would be hilarious
to watch but instead it is so very sad. By the time snit wakes up
and realizes he fucked up his and his family's lives he will have
one foot in the grave. The guy is the very definition of pathetic
and seems to have no intention towards improving himself.
<eyeroll>

He'd much rather waste his time trying to convince others that he
knows a hell of a lot more than he actually does. His credibility
here is in ruins, as can be plainly seen by reading any number of
threads he's involved with here (acw).

--
Good ideas are not adopted automatically. They must be driven into
practice with courageous impatience. --Admiral Hyman G. Rickover

Gremlin

2020-07-30 00:42:29 UTC

Simon may not understand that this item in his header identifies
exactly who he is:-
Injection-Info: reader02.eternal-september.org;
posting-host="3418118481dc3a117aaef7ba839a91b4";
logging-data="31154";
posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1+3rmDhaYos1fip6x9rBDXBslAPi/wdn54="
It is now a requirement under the law that Ray Banana report all
incidents of hate speech to law enforcement officers.

Where is the hate speech?

I'm more than willing to act as witness to the atrocious behavior
of some folk using the ES server.

David, I'm pretty sure it's illegal to knowingly file false reports..
And I wouldn't count on Ray banana accepting anything you tell them
at face value without checking things thoroughly first. What Simon
wrote can all be factually verified as being truthful. Here's an

When did I 'snip and run' with you?

Last week.
"Whatever the difference you still do the same things".
What I meant by "do" is "accuse each other of"

Yup.

Carroll as you can see described what Snits doing to Apd. Apd is
aware of it and acknowledged it. Would you like to see a post from
FTR doing the same thing? Your new friend has failed to snow the
others here, David. If anything, they've gone well out of their way
to show myself, Apd, FTR, etc, that what's been shared about them is
more than likely to be true vs not true. Nobody convinced us of
anything, Nobody aside from Snit has tried to run a con game here.

How do you explain this David?

--
EXPANSION SLOTS: The extra holes in your belt buckle.

David_B

2020-07-30 07:52:24 UTC

Where is the hate speech?

I'm more than willing to act as witness to the atrocious behavior
of some folk using the ES server.

When did I 'snip and run' with you?

Last week.
"Whatever the difference you still do the same things".
What I meant by "do" is "accuse each other of"

Yup.

I have no need to explain my actions to you, Dustin.
Perhaps Snit has been sent here to steal yet more of your time, eh?
Extend your punishment for bad deeds?

What happens in the future is down to you.

Shake hands and move on. Be nice! :-)

Gremlin

2020-08-01 04:56:05 UTC

Where is the hate speech?

I'm more than willing to act as witness to the atrocious
behavior of some folk using the ES server.

David, I'm pretty sure it's illegal to knowingly file false
reports.. And I wouldn't count on Ray banana accepting anything
you tell them at face value without checking things thoroughly
first. What Simon wrote can all be factually verified as being

When did I 'snip and run' with you?

Last week.
"Whatever the difference you still do the same things".
What I meant by "do" is "accuse each other of"

Yup.

Carroll as you can see described what Snits doing to Apd. Apd is
aware of it and acknowledged it. Would you like to see a post
from FTR doing the same thing? Your new friend has failed to snow
the others here, David. If anything, they've gone well out of
their way to show myself, Apd, FTR, etc, that what's been shared
about them is more than likely to be true vs not true. Nobody
convinced us of anything, Nobody aside from Snit has tried to run
a con game here.
How do you explain this David?

I have no need to explain my actions to you, Dustin.

I asked for two seperate explanations. Only one of which was about
your actions and empty thread you made to Simon. :) The other was
about what I shared with you, the others opinions concerning your new
friend and what he's been doing. He hasn't been able to snow them or
otherwise bullshit them into thinking he's anything other than what
Carroll has described him as being, David.

Post by David_B
Perhaps Snit has been sent here to steal yet more of your time,
eh? Extend your punishment for bad deeds?

So, you've flipped back around to you punishing me, eh? Why is it you
were okay with bad deeds being performed on those two servers for
your benefit? And if snit is here to 'steal yet more' of my time, are
you admitting that he's the troll Carroll, myself, and others have
described him as? That you basically know he's full of shit too, but
you're going to continue using him so long as he continues to steal
my time? <G>

Why do you insist upon being such a jerkoff David?

--
When your pet bird sees you reading the newspaper, does it wonder why
you're sitting there staring at carpeting?

Gremlin

2020-08-01 04:56:06 UTC

Simon may not understand that this item in his header
identifies exactly who he is:-
Injection-Info: reader02.eternal-september.org;
posting-host="3418118481dc3a117aaef7ba839a91b4";
logging-data="31154";
posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1+3rmDhaYos1fip6x9rBDXBslAPi/wdn54="
It is now a requirement under the law that Ray Banana report
all incidents of hate speech to law enforcement officers.

Where is the hate speech?

I'm more than willing to act as witness to the atrocious
behavior of some folk using the ES server.

David, I'm pretty sure it's illegal to knowingly file false
reports.. And I wouldn't count on Ray banana accepting anything
you tell them at face value without checking things thoroughly
first. What Simon wrote can all be factually verified as being

When did I 'snip and run' with you?

Last week.
"Whatever the difference you still do the same things".
What I meant by "do" is "accuse each other of"

Yup.

Carroll as you can see described what Snits doing to Apd. Apd is
aware of it and acknowledged it. Would you like to see a post
from FTR doing the same thing? Your new friend has failed to
snow the others here, David. If anything, they've gone well out
of their way to show myself, Apd, FTR, etc, that what's been
shared about them is more than likely to be true vs not true.
Nobody convinced us of anything, Nobody aside from Snit has
tried to run a con game here.
How do you explain this David?

I have no need to explain my actions to you, Dustin.
Perhaps Snit has been sent here to steal yet more of your time,
eh? Extend your punishment for bad deeds?
What happens in the future is down to you.
Shake hands and move on. Be nice! :-)

Diesel is mad at himself more than he is mad at me. After all, I
am not the one throwing a cross poster tantrum over a
misunderstanding.

There was no misunderstanding in what you wrote, Snit:
http://al.howardknight.net/?ID=159159190100
Diesel made it clear he had access not just to the output of the bot
but to the code itself. When called out on this he clarified it was
merely the compiled code he had:

<***@ZdS859K14.7p1JRyU90Zyd>
-----
Do you think when you disassemble something that you're
provided the original source code that was
compiled/assembled by the author? You aren't, what you're
given looks nothing like the original source code, but it
still tells you *everything* about the program.
-----

So how did Diesel get a copy of the program, compiled or not? My
guess: he will NEVER say.

I want to see the post(s) where I "made it quite clear" that I had
access to more than just the posts the bots been making (the output -
atleast what's available to an end user; admin may provide more
information). I want to see the post(s) where I was "called out", and
finally, I want to see the post(s) where I clarified I had the
"compiled code".

Those are three, seperate and distinct lies in a very short
paragraph. What you quoted me out of context! doesn't even come close
to supporting your accusation. And, it IS an accusation.
And then we have the issue of the question you asked at the end. That
question makes the assumption that what you wrote
previous to it is factual - The question is intended to give credence
to what's written previous to it, to give it credibility. To assist
in your effort to mislead. Which is incidently, a form of
manipulation, Snit.

You asked a specific question after you wrote the material. That
question directly implied that what you wrote prior to it was
accurate. We've already established that NOTHING YOU WROTE in that
post was accurate. So, about that question then, Snit. How can you
still claim you weren't lying when you wrote that post?

Where are the MIDs to the posts which support what you claimed took
place in it? You offered up that question to give credibility to your
bullshit story.

I've got a small but growing collection of other not so little white
lies you've told about me, and I'll begin bringing them up in fine
detail soon enough as well. The longer you take to either backup what
you wrote, OR, admit you lied and apologize, the finer the detail
over what you did, exactly, I'm going to get.

You really don't grasp the concept yet, I'm not like some others
you've tried to jerk around on usenet before. I'm not just going to
go away, you lied on me. Unless, you can provide the MIDs to the
posts which support the claim that (a) I was called out and (b) that
I clarified I had the bot. Otherwise, when combined with that
question you wrote, especially this question:

"So how did Diesel get a copy of the program, compiled or not? My
guess: he will NEVER say. " directly implies that the statements you
wrote prior to it have already been established as being the truth.
The problem for you is, you're not able to actually establish that.
Infact, what's been established is that you wrote some accusations
towards me, and because of that question I was intentionally ignoring
for your benefit, you can no longer claim it's a misunderstanding on
my part, or yours. It's a series of lies you wrote in a very short
paragraph that you then tried to pass off as established truth with
your followup question.

You tried to mislead people, Snit. You tried to manipulate others
with your post. You've been trying to do that with your accusations
concerning my ability to comprehend what I read. We've (and I do mean
all of us) have seen multiple examples of you struggling with the
simplest of english material. You are in absolutely no position to
even come close to questioning anyone elses comprehension level here.
The rest of us don't have the problems understanding material that
you've already shown you have, Snit.

He knows he is.

I know for a fact I caught you lying on me, and I know for a fact
your efforts to weasel around what you actually did - failed quite
nicely to convince anyone. I shared that previously, but, I'll do so

When did I 'snip and run' with you?

Last week.
"Whatever the difference you still do the same things".
What I meant by "do" is "accuse each other of"

Yup.

And that is the real issue â he knows I wonât sink to his
level.

The only issue is that you lied and you don't have the maturity of an
adult to admit it, and apologize for having done it. Fact is, you did
a very immature thing in an effort to troll me and you got caught
doing it. It's just that simple.

Snit, you can't sink any further, you've already reached bottom here.

When did I 'snip and run' with you?

Last week.
"Whatever the difference you still do the same things".
What I meant by "do" is "accuse each other of"

Yup.

--
Is it ok to use my AM radio after NOON?

Gremlin

2020-08-01 06:46:32 UTC

But he needs me to say I agree with him, even if I have to lie to
do so. And I won't lie.

I am pleased about that! :-D

You are pleased that you have a kindred spirit with another known to
be liar. What about that pleases you specifically?

If he isn't a liar, David, why does Apd, Ftr, Carroll, and myself all
think he is? Further, why can't he provide MIDs to backup the
statements he wrote here?

http://al.howardknight.net/?ID=159159190100
Diesel made it clear he had access not just to the output of the bot
but to the code itself. When called out on this he clarified it was
merely the compiled code he had:

<***@ZdS859K14.7p1JRyU90Zyd>
-----
Do you think when you disassemble something that you're
provided the original source code that was
compiled/assembled by the author? You aren't, what you're
given looks nothing like the original source code, but it
still tells you *everything* about the program.
-----

So how did Diesel get a copy of the program, compiled or not? My
guess: he will NEVER say.

*** end snittage lie

Looks like quite a lie to me - complete with a question to give the
lie you wrote credibility. The question directly implies that what
you wrote above it has already been an established fact - which isn't
the case.

I want to see the post(s) where I "made it quite clear" that I had
access to more than just the posts the bots been making (the output -
atleast what's available to an end user; admin may provide more
information). I want to see the post(s) where I was "called out", and
finally, I want to see the post(s) where I clarified I had the
"compiled code".

So, that being stated, about that question then David? Any reasonable
answer? Any reasonable answer for why he haven't provided those MIDs
yet Snit?

So, if he doesn't lie, David, how do you explain what he wrote and
how do you explain his continued refusal to provide the MIDs to those
posts he claims exist which would support his claims there, Snit?

Why, if he isn't a liar, can't he backup what he wrote with those
MIDs? He was very specific in what he claimed took place as he wrote
the bullshit story, David. You'd think he'd want to put me in my
place by backing his story up with those MIDs. That would shut me up
for sure. Yet, he doesn't provide any. I wonder why that might be.
<BFG> - No such posts exist David. Your new found friend is a liar. A
confirmed, liar. No question about it. No denying it. He *IS A LIAR*

Well?

--
If nobody measures up, check your yardstick.

Gremlin

2020-07-30 00:42:30 UTC

Â Â Â Â Â -----
Â Â Â Â Â I've been booted off by past providers before because
Â Â Â Â Â people complain about me and all my bullshit. I don't
want Â Â Â Â Â to lose my ISP*again*Â but I still need my army
of sock Â Â Â Â Â puppets so I continually search usenet for
whatever Â Â Â Â Â servers I haven't yet been booted from.

https://groups.google.com/g/comp.os.ms-windows.networking.windows/
c/kbBnF7Aogf0
HTH :-D

Much older than that... Carroll uses his bot to quote himself to
make his own quotes harder to find.

A references line can be your friend here, that is if you understand
how to read headers. Considering that you've accused me of being
carroll and/or a sock of his, twice now; it's a safe bet you have as
much trouble parsing a usenet header as you do a paragraph of simple
english. Just an observation, Snit, no offense intended.

And your excuse to justify why you aren't forthcoming with an MID to
backup what you claimed he wrote, isn't helpful. Combined with the
post David selected to back your play; where the poster is taking
credit for the closure of atleast one if not more email addresses,
indicates you're behind the post. I'm sure you wouldn't resort to
socking up right? I mean, you've never told a lie the entire time
you've been here, right? rofl...

Are you interested in some ocean front property in your home state?
I've got a yacht i'll throw in. Package deal. I'll even cut you a
break on diesel fuel.

This was from years ago in, I think, CSMA where he said that and
then immediately tried to dishonestly attribute it to me. But they
are his words. And he has also whined about what specific accounts
-- as the post you link to shows.

Why is it you can show us what you claim are his words, quotes
infact, but didn't manage to save the MID or even the name of the
thread the quoted words supposedly came from? It seems to me that
you're intentionally failling to provide details like that.

Could it be because the post you claimed the quotes are from either
doesn't exist, or isn't going to have headers that matches anything
Carroll normally posts with? And don't bother telling me you'd know
the difference, asshat, you've accused me of being a Carroll sock
twice since I did nothing more than switch to my original handle from
way back in the day. Had you taken a second to look at the fucking
headers, or paid attention in any way to my writing style, you
wouldn't have accused me of being a carroll sock.

What you did by doing that is show that you can't even parse a usenet
header, you're quick as hell to accuse anyone you don't know as a
normal poster to a specific newsgroup as a sock. Paranoid, much,
Snit?

And, yes, even when he posts with a bot he is accountable for what
he posts.

Speaking of accountable for what one posts.. You are as well:

http://al.howardknight.net/?ID=159159190100
Diesel made it clear he had access not just to the output of the bot
but to the code itself. When called out on this he clarified it was
merely the compiled code he had:

<***@ZdS859K14.7p1JRyU90Zyd>
-----
Do you think when you disassemble something that you're
provided the original source code that was
compiled/assembled by the author? You aren't, what you're
given looks nothing like the original source code, but it
still tells you *everything* about the program.
-----

So how did Diesel get a copy of the program, compiled or not? My
guess: he will NEVER say.

I want to see the post(s) where I "made it quite clear" that I had
access to more than just the posts the bots been making (the output -
atleast what's available to an end user; admin may provide more
information). I want to see the post(s) where I was "called out", and
finally, I want to see the post(s) where I clarified I had the
"compiled code".

Those are three, seperate and distinct lies in a very short
paragraph. What you quoted me out of context! doesn't even come close
to supporting your accusation. And, it IS an accusation.

--
A tribble a day keeps the Klingons well fed.

Snit

2020-07-30 01:05:26 UTC

https://groups.google.com/g/comp.os.ms-windows.networking.windows/
c/kbBnF7Aogf0
HTH :-D

Much older than that... Carroll uses his bot to quote himself to
make his own quotes harder to find.

A references line can be your friend here, that is if you understand
how to read headers.

Re-read the sentence you wrote and see if you can identify your arrogance.

Best wishes!

...

Gremlin

2020-07-30 02:58:14 UTC

ÃÂ ÃÂ ÃÂ ÃÂ ÃÂ -----
ÃÂ ÃÂ ÃÂ ÃÂ ÃÂ I've been booted off by past providers
before because ÃÂ ÃÂ ÃÂ ÃÂ ÃÂ people complain about me
and all my bullshit. I don't want ÃÂ ÃÂ ÃÂ ÃÂ ÃÂ to lose
my ISP*again*ÃÂ but I still need my army of sock
ÃÂ ÃÂ ÃÂ ÃÂ ÃÂ puppets so I continually search usenet
for whatever ÃÂ ÃÂ ÃÂ ÃÂ ÃÂ servers I haven't yet been
booted from.

https://groups.google.com/g/comp.os.ms-windows.networking.window
s/ c/kbBnF7Aogf0
HTH :-D

Much older than that... Carroll uses his bot to quote himself to
make his own quotes harder to find.

A references line can be your friend here, that is if you
understand how to read headers.

Re-read the sentence you wrote and see if you can identify your arrogance.

What you snipped:

A references line can be your friend here, that is if you understand
how to read headers. Considering that you've accused me of being
carroll and/or a sock of his, twice now; it's a safe bet you have as
much trouble parsing a usenet header as you do a paragraph of simple
english. Just an observation, Snit, no offense intended.

And your excuse to justify why you aren't forthcoming with an MID to
backup what you claimed he wrote, isn't helpful. Combined with the
post David selected to back your play; where the poster is taking
credit for the closure of atleast one if not more email addresses,
indicates you're behind the post. I'm sure you wouldn't resort to
socking up right? I mean, you've never told a lie the entire time
you've been here, right? rofl...

Are you interested in some ocean front property in your home state?
I've got a yacht i'll throw in. Package deal. I'll even cut you a
break on diesel fuel.

Pointing out yet another thing you cannot do is not showing arrogance
on my part, sniveling troll. You talk shit and aren't able to support
it. That's what you do.

The rest of what you didn't respond to, because you couldn't back a
single word of it up with something most of us call 'evidence';
actual evidence, not the bs you consider as evidence. Hell, you
accused me of being Carroll for nothing more than a fucking nym
change! NOTHING ELSE in my headers was changed in any way shape or
form outside of normal changes that you should be very familiar with
by now, Snit. What's your excuse for that little fuck up?

Post by Snit
This was from years ago in, I think, CSMA where he said that and
then immediately tried to dishonestly attribute it to me. But they
are his words. And he has also whined about what specific accounts
-- as the post you link to shows.

Post by Snit
And, yes, even when he posts with a bot he is accountable for what
he posts.

--
Hi! I can't remember your name either.

Gremlin

2020-07-30 00:42:32 UTC

[....]

I'm 100% confident that Snit is not/was not
responsible for the 'flood' posts.

I'm inclined to agree with you there, David. I still
don't think either of them are actually behind it. I
think it's most likely one (but could be more) individual
who knows them both (likely a regular of cola or
something they both know each other from) and is taking
advantage of their animosity towards each other for free
entertainment. Not only is the bot code itself lame as
fuck all, the individual who's so proud of it obviously
is such a loser, his/her only chance of entertainment is
usenet trolling. And, it's not even that good, being as
it's so easy to filter out.
Apd and myself disagree somewhat on the automation
aspects of the bot. I'm not convinced it's automated in
any real way based on some tests i've been doing. You
didn't really think my replies to yourself and Snit was
only intended for you did ya? and, I'm not spamming
anywhere; thanks. Please learn to use the proper
terminology if you're going to accuse me of something.
I've been xposting for several reasons. One is
part of an ongoing analysis test and the other is to
ensure the groups I'm familiar with all get to know your
new best friend, before he's able to cause much of a
ruckus there.

I have far more confidence in what Apd has to say on the matter.
:-D

Apd agrees with me concerning what Snit wrote about me.
What is your confidence in that? Or, is your confidence
dependent on whether or not he agrees with me,
specifically? Do be honest, David. You never know who might
be reading this. <G>

The truth is that, as far as I'm aware, Apd has always been truthful.
I've had no cause to doubt what he says, but confess that I
would like to have a better understanding of the 'real-life
him.

Being that you've neglected your lesson on function basics,
and being that Snit now seems to have 'manipulated' you into
being ashamed to even try to learn anything (that's some
let mystery =
[72,111,119,32,99,97,110,32,65,112,100,32,107,110,111,119,32,1
16, 104,101,,32,116,114,117,116,104,32,104,101,114,101,63]
function mysterySolver(array) { return mystery.map(num =>
String.fromCharCode(num)).join('') }
What's going on there?

I'll pass - and ask FromTheRafters.

ASCII is one standard, and this is all besides the point.

It was pretty key to the point I was making, and perhaps the one
Carroll was.
But, of course, being that you almost surely ARE Carroll you can
speak for him. And, again being Carroll, you will try to speak
FOR me, and your posts will show your obsession with me. And you
will "magically" have knowledge of Carroll's accusations from the
past, but then whenever I quote Carroll you will pretend to not
know a thing about it and demand Message IDs and then twist just
as Carroll does.
All predictable. And all explained best by you being yet another
Carroll sock. You really do not understand how poorly you hide
your tells, Carroll -- but folks like Diesel will PRETEND to not
see to further their trolling, and you will use their
insecurities to manipulate them. Again, all very predictable.
See below for a string of your tells... you really just can't
deal with the fact I have you set on auto-read. You NEED my
attention. How pathetic.

The only
reason you jumped on me for specifying the codepage in the AZ
thread was to cover up your severe reading comprehension on
display when you told us how 'confusing' the instructions were,
as you proceeded to 'improve' them with your take on what you
thought you understood.
It was quite obvious based on replies from myself and others
that you were beyond, simply lost. But, after reading many
threads about you, and interacting with you a bit myself, I
realize that when you're in way over your little head, you'll
try to attack with anything you think you can to distract others
from your own failures.
And that's what and all you've done since you got here. And your
lies on me didn't fool anyone important. Ftr and Apd have both
commented concerning your activities, and both of them commented
when Carroll brought up the things you like doing.

Post by David_B
When did I 'snip and run' with you?

Last week.
"Whatever the difference you still do the same things".
What I meant by "do" is "accuse each other of"

Yup.
I decided to play... sigh... figuring I would regret it.
Actually it was not as bad as I thought. I grabbed the number

You're trying to impress us with script kiddie level of
understanding, so you can continue to participate in the
discussion that's above your paygrade. You aren't fooling
anyone, Snit.
And your efforts to brown nose the others isn't working either.
They *both know* you've been lying and essentially, trolling the
entire time you've been here.
And, none of us took Carrolls word concerning you for anything,
we let you show us what you're about, yourself. And you have.
You have failed to snow others here, Snit.

And that was as far as I went with Carroll's game. I have no
idea what his goal even is... and I bet if I looked at his
posts he would not say. Generally he just wants attention.

It's quite clear to most of us that you're the one here to play
games, Snit.

Hmmm, looking at some other posts it might Diesel... but I have
not known him to use socks. The two of you are sounding more and
more alike, and Diesel is using enough of Carroll's trolling
(evidence of the manipulation I speak of) where you two sound more
and more alike.

Hmm. Looking at some other posts. Maybe you should have done that
before you smarted off (yet again) to me, writing out of your
arsehole and making more false accusations against me. I don't use
socks. Changing to and using my original handle (from the BBS days no
less and CB radio before that) is not socking up, asshat.

What are you doing snit, pulling words out of your ass?

I didn't like the original caps usage, so I fixed that too.

Go ahead though SNit, try to sell us on my having a selective reading
comprehension issue again, as you accused me of being Carroll AS WELL
AS a sock of carrolls. I suppose you were trying to cover all the
bases?

Well, the headers from the GReMLiN and Gremlin posts as well as that
of Diesel posts will confirm, IT'S ONE IN THE SAME PERSON.

Curious.

ignorant asshat, can't even parse a usenet header before he makes
false accusations (more false accusations):

Message-ID: <***@mid.individual.net>

But, of course, being that you almost surely ARE Carroll you can
speak for him. And, again being Carroll, you will try to speak FOR
me, and your posts will show your obsession with me. And you will
"magically" have knowledge of Carroll's accusations from the past,
but then whenever I quote Carroll you will pretend to not know a
thing about it and demand Message IDs and then twist just as Carroll
does.

All predictable. And all explained best by you being yet another
Carroll
sock. You really do not understand how poorly you hide your tells,
Carroll -- but folks like Diesel will PRETEND to not see to further
their trolling, and you will use their insecurities to manipulate
them.
Again, all very predictable.

*** end

So, do you want to go ahead and apologize to me for writing
completely from your asshole now, or are you going to try for the
'you were confused about what I wrote' routine again, as you've been
doing with your false accusation that I had the bot, in compiled code
form, no less. This post:

http://al.howardknight.net/?ID=159159190100
Diesel made it clear he had access not just to the output of the bot
but to the code itself. When called out on this he clarified it was
merely the compiled code he had:

<***@ZdS859K14.7p1JRyU90Zyd>
-----
Do you think when you disassemble something that you're
provided the original source code that was
compiled/assembled by the author? You aren't, what you're
given looks nothing like the original source code, but it
still tells you *everything* about the program.
-----

So how did Diesel get a copy of the program, compiled or not? My
guess: he will NEVER say.

I want to see the post(s) where I "made it quite clear" that I had
access to more than just the posts the bots been making (the output -
atleast what's available to an end user; admin may provide more
information). I want to see the post(s) where I was "called out", and
finally, I want to see the post(s) where I clarified I had the
"compiled code".

Those are three, seperate and distinct lies in a very short
paragraph. What you quoted me out of context! doesn't even come close
to supporting your accusation. And, it IS an accusation.

The only thing you're becoming known for here Snit, is that of a
lying troll. And a bit of an illiterate fuckwit to boot. And, that's
entirely your doing.

--
I wanna reach up and touch the sky; I wanna touch the sun but I don't
wanna fry

Gremlin

2020-07-30 02:58:17 UTC

...

See: tell after tell after tell. I wonder who will pretend to
not see it? Diesel and Shadow, surely. Others might just have
no comment, not wanting to get involved... but do you think
they REALLY do not see it? Are people REALLY as stupid as you
need them to be, Carroll?

Hmm. Looking at some other posts.

Is that a concept you are able to understand?

Post by Gremlin
Maybe you should have done that
before you smarted off (yet again) to me, writing out of your
arsehole and making more false accusations against me. I don't
use socks. Changing to and using my original handle (from the BBS
days no less and CB radio before that) is not socking up, asshat.

You do realize you are posting with a name other than "Diesel",
right? You are using multiple names. And of course you did not
identify yourself as the same person.

I'm posting with a single name. you don't see Gremlin AND current
Diesel posts. You've seen (past tense) Diesel posts, and you're now
seeing (present tense, stupid, try to keep up) Gremlin posts.
Granted, with you, and your profound level of illiteracy, I should
have made it very clear that I was Diesel; but I figured, oh, the
headers and my writing style would have been sufficient. Especially
for a usenet old timer, such as yourself.

Once again, in hindsight, I greatly over estimated your actual level
of understanding. You can't even read header information. How long
have you been on usenet, Snit?

But it is also quite telling that at first look your posts were so
influenced by how much Carroll has manipulated you that they
appeared to be possibly from him.

What's quite telling is your sad level of functional reading
comprehension and your need to lash out at others for pointing out
one of many of your own shortcomings. You're really reaching now if
you think you can convince, anyone, even David that the writing style
I use and the writing style Steve uses is anything alike.

Granted, this is another weak attempt by you to spin things around
because you made a serious fuckup when you wrongfully accused me of
being Carroll and/or a sock of his - because you aren't smart enough
to understand how to read a message header and you don't understand
the concept of writing style. As I pointed this out, your only
option, as the dishonest sack of shit you've shown yourself to be
here, is to try and convince others that our writing style is close
enough so that you were confused.

No, Snit, our writing style isn't that much alike. And you weren't
confused, you just got busted, flat out, again, lying on me and
you're trying to figure out a way of getting out of it, again. Just
like you did with the bot accusations.

But, I'll amuse myself with another question for you. Please provide
MIDs of posts from Carroll where you think he's manipulating myself
or anyone else. At this point in time, I'm fairly confident that
anyone who posts something that doesn't paint you in the best light
and/or otherwise disagrees with something you wrote, and has the
gall! (oh the fucking nerve right? How dare they!) to back it up with
factual data, you'll accuse them of being a carroll sock, carroll
himself, and/or claim the individual is being 'manipulated' by
Carroll.

Carroll doesn't have the ability to manipulate anyone here, Snit. If
you or he thinks otherwise, even for a nanosecond, you both seriously
picked the wrong newsgroup and the wrong people to play games with.
:) You don't have any credibility here at this point in time, and you
won't be able to begin earning any of it back until you own up to
what you already did, take responsibility and apologize.

And now, Snit, you may also add your false accusation that I'm
carroll and/or a sock to the things you need to be apologizing for.
Along with this of course:

http://al.howardknight.net/?ID=159159190100
Diesel made it clear he had access not just to the output of the bot
but to the code itself. When called out on this he clarified it was
merely the compiled code he had:

<***@ZdS859K14.7p1JRyU90Zyd>
-----
Do you think when you disassemble something that you're
provided the original source code that was
compiled/assembled by the author? You aren't, what you're
given looks nothing like the original source code, but it
still tells you *everything* about the program.
-----

So how did Diesel get a copy of the program, compiled or not? My
guess: he will NEVER say.

I want to see the post(s) where I "made it quite clear" that I had
access to more than just the posts the bots been making (the output -
atleast what's available to an end user; admin may provide more
information). I want to see the post(s) where I was "called out", and
finally, I want to see the post(s) where I clarified I had the
"compiled code".

Those are three, seperate and distinct lies in a very short
paragraph. What you quoted me out of context! doesn't even come close
to supporting your accusation. And, it IS an accusation.

That backs what I have been noting about you. Curious.

Nothing you've written makes any sense, let alone backs anything else
you've written. You stepped on your own dick, again, Snit. I'm not a
sock of Carrolls.

--
I'm still an atheist, thank God! --Luis Bunel

Gremlin

2020-08-01 04:56:21 UTC

...

See: tell after tell after tell. I wonder who will pretend to
not see it? Diesel and Shadow, surely. Others might just have
no comment, not wanting to get involved... but do you think
they REALLY do not see it? Are people REALLY as stupid as you
need them to be, Carroll?

Hmmm, looking at some other posts it might Diesel... but I
have not known him to use socks. The two of you are sounding
more and more alike, and Diesel is using enough of Carroll's
trolling (evidence of the manipulation I speak of) where you
two sound more and more alike.

Hmm. Looking at some other posts.

Is that a concept you are able to understand?

Post by Gremlin
Maybe you should have done that
before you smarted off (yet again) to me, writing out of your
arsehole and making more false accusations against me. I don't
use socks. Changing to and using my original handle (from the
BBS days no less and CB radio before that) is not socking up,
asshat.

You do realize you are posting with a name other than "Diesel",
right? You are using multiple names. And of course you did not
identify yourself as the same person.

I'm posting with a single name.

Not even you are so ignorant as to think "Diesel" and "Gremlin"
are the same name, hence you have been caught lying again.

What you snipped:

I'm posting with a single name. you don't see Gremlin AND current
Diesel posts. You've seen (past tense) Diesel posts, and you're now
seeing (present tense, stupid, try to keep up) Gremlin posts.
Granted, with you, and your profound level of illiteracy, I should
have made it very clear that I was Diesel; but I figured, oh, the
headers and my writing style would have been sufficient. Especially
for a usenet old timer, such as yourself.

Once again, in hindsight, I greatly over estimated your actual level
of understanding. You can't even read header information. How long
have you been on usenet, Snit?

Nice try with the selectice snipping routine, but hasn't quoting me
out of context as you just did (again) gotten you in enough shit?

So, you fucked up with the headers and you're so fucking illiterate
you thought my writing style was a match for Carrolls too. You're not
just a dishonest individual, you're a very stupid dishonest
individual.

It's not a case of you being dumb, snit, that's a very fixable
condition. At this point, I'm satisfied that you're every bit the
pathetic non working, lazy ass stupid! fucktard I've read about you
being, and you're so damn dishonest it's not even funny.

I wasn't sure, but now, you've convinced me, you aren't playing, you
aren't acting. You actually are this fucking stupid. How in the fuck
did you ever land a teaching job of any kind? Or, have you been lying
your ass off about that too? And those degrees you earned - were the
classes all online? There's no fucking way you could have done the
required work in person. Someone else had to be doing the majority of
it for you.

There's just no way you can be so damn stupid here, and so fucking
illiterate, yet be able to read at the required college levels to get
either of the degrees you claim to have.. Unless, someone else did
the work to earn them on your behalf and you took the credit for work
you didn't actually do.

What's the real story behind them, Snit? I'm starting to seriously
question those claims...

--
Don't spit in the soup. We've all got to eat. --Lyndon B. Johnson

Gremlin

2020-07-30 00:42:33 UTC

(snip)

ASCII is one standard, and this is all besides the point.

It was pretty key to the point I was making, and perhaps the one
Carroll was.

Nope.

I didn't think so.

But, of course, being that you almost surely ARE Carroll you can
speak for him.

Are you *this* high again?

He must be. The asshat has completely forgotten how to read a usenet
header.

See below for

... even more examples of your Carroll derangement syndrome?

So, I've got him lying on me again, point blank. I've requested an
apology for this one too. <G>

--
'Reality? That's where the pizza delivery guy comes from!'

Gremlin

2020-07-30 00:42:33 UTC

Why does he repeatedly ask you guys to do stuff he could do with
a little effort (I don't think he's feigning that part)?

I've assembled the guys here to provide second opinions.

Translation: I don't know what the fuck you're all writing about, but
I still want your help in stocking Gremlin (Dustin) later. So, can
you stop with trying to educate me and just help me with what I
really want? I'm very tired of trying to play along and act as if I
have the foggiest idea what you're writing about. Long term drinking
you know, has its days.

That only works if people are open and honest, something which,
sadly, YOU have not been.

Says the one who overlooks Snits consistent need to lie on me:

http://al.howardknight.net/?ID=159159190100
Diesel made it clear he had access not just to the output of the bot
but to the code itself. When called out on this he clarified it was
merely the compiled code he had:

<***@ZdS859K14.7p1JRyU90Zyd>
-----
Do you think when you disassemble something that you're
provided the original source code that was
compiled/assembled by the author? You aren't, what you're
given looks nothing like the original source code, but it
still tells you *everything* about the program.
-----

So how did Diesel get a copy of the program, compiled or not? My
guess: he will NEVER say.

I want to see the post(s) where I "made it quite clear" that I had
access to more than just the posts the bots been making (the output -
atleast what's available to an end user; admin may provide more
information). I want to see the post(s) where I was "called out", and
finally, I want to see the post(s) where I clarified I had the
"compiled code".

Those are three, seperate and distinct lies in a very short
paragraph. What you quoted me out of context! doesn't even come close
to supporting your accusation. And, it IS an accusation.

And here's a much more recent one where he pretty much loses it:

Message-ID: <***@mid.individual.net>

But, of course, being that you almost surely ARE Carroll you can
speak for him. And, again being Carroll, you will try to speak FOR
me, and your posts will show your obsession with me. And you will
"magically" have knowledge of Carroll's accusations from the past,
but then whenever I quote Carroll you will pretend to not know a
thing about it and demand Message IDs and then twist just as Carroll
does.

All predictable. And all explained best by you being yet another
Carroll sock. You really do not understand how poorly you hide your
tells, Carroll -- but folks like Diesel will PRETEND to not see to
further their trolling, and you will use their insecurities to
manipulate them. Again, all very predictable.

** end

Your friend is an illiterate adult David. On the same level as that
of a chimpanzee. They can't even parse usenet headers before making
wild accusations like you see above.

Explain his confusion, David.

I'm also somewhat perplexed as to why you found nothing amiss with
www.dogagent.com One has to look carefully 'under the hood'.

You just don't want to take the time to learn to do that yourself.
You want to con people into doing shady rat bastard shit for you,
just like you tried and failed with me. And when they won't, either
because they refuse but could (as I did and can) or the refuse
because they can't - you'll attack them and 'turn on them' just as
quick as a tire turns on a patch of ice.

You like to tell people i'm such a terrible person, but you prefer to
leave out various details; including those details where you tried to
HIRE ME TO CRACK INTO TWO SERVERS you didn't have rights to at any
point in time. Both server admins banned you for multiple tos
violations. You mistakenly think it's your god given right to access
someone elses gear whenever you damn well please, upto and including
creating new accounts, upto and including having the site admin
shitcan the entire BT IP address block to ensure you don't continue
with ban evasion, atleast not from your home ISP.

You had no problems with me or the things I'd done years before you
heard of me until the con job you were pulling went sideways and you
didn't get the job done with me. That's when you decided I was a
problem. That's when you tried to dox me the first time with the gsv
of what you thought was my house, posted to all kinds of newsgroups
as a single post, new thread for each newsgroup; nothing was xposted
as you normally do. You wanted to make damn sure you got my
attention.

Go ahead, deny that's why you did what you did, asshole, nobody
believes you. We *ALL KNOW* that's why you did what you did, I knew
it when you first did it, too.

Again, you had no problems with me, or the bad shit I'd done years
before until you couldn't CON ME into breaking federal law stateside
to get you unauthorized access to data you had no right to access in
the first place. You stalked me for a considerable period of time,
and confirmed that in the email correspondence before you 'reached
out' to me under false pretenses. Nothing you say or do can be taken
at face value. You cannot ever be trusted with anything.

You and Snit are very much alike, David. Rest assured, you are. You
both will lie your asses off and are actually stupid enough to think
you'll get away with it. You might be able to snow a kid with the
lies the both of you write, but a functioning, able bodied adult who
has a reading comprehension level above that of a small child isn't
going to be taken by the bullshit both of you are trying so hard to
peddle here.

At some point, one or both of you is going to wind up in a courtroom
and have to answer for the shit things you've written, unfounded,
shit things you've written, about others. You do not have impunity
just because you 'wrote some bullshit' about someone online. You
should refresh yourself with some semi recent court cases where
people have taken another party to court over untrue statements being
made about them online.

If I could prove snit was in any way harming my bottom line with the
remarks he's made concerning my professional abilities, I'd haul his
brokeass into a courtroom over it. And he could try conning a judge
that what he's been writing about me was accurate. And when he fails
to do so, pop, judgement awarded to the plaintiff. But, it would be
difficult to prove his nonsense is actually causing me any harm. As I
wrote previously, you'd have to have the reading comprehension level
of a small child to be taken in by his bullshit.

For example:

http://al.howardknight.net/?ID=159159190100
Diesel made it clear he had access not just to the output of the bot
but to the code itself. When called out on this he clarified it was
merely the compiled code he had:

<***@ZdS859K14.7p1JRyU90Zyd>
-----
Do you think when you disassemble something that you're
provided the original source code that was
compiled/assembled by the author? You aren't, what you're
given looks nothing like the original source code, but it
still tells you *everything* about the program.
-----

So how did Diesel get a copy of the program, compiled or not? My
guess: he will NEVER say.

I want to see the post(s) where I "made it quite clear" that I had
access to more than just the posts the bots been making (the output -
atleast what's available to an end user; admin may provide more
information). I want to see the post(s) where I was "called out", and
finally, I want to see the post(s) where I clarified I had the
"compiled code".

Those are three, seperate and distinct lies in a very short
paragraph. Snit hasn't been able to support ANY of them. Not one
single fucking time. Lies like that can get you in a civil courtroom
where if you can't prove it, you're going to be paying the other
party a considerable sum; to discourage you from publishing
unverified 'facts' again in the future.

I'm almost certain your country has similar laws with regard to
things like this, David. As I told you, both, before, your words do
have consequences. Just because you wrote it online doesn't mean you
can't be held accountable for it. You damn sure can.

--
Hi. I'll be your tagline for this evening.

Gremlin

2020-07-30 00:42:34 UTC

Snit is a very kind guy. If I asked him for help, I've no doubt at
all that he'd willingly help me. At the moment, though, I feel no
need to ask.

Snit is a lot like you, yes. He's a very bad liar, and he has a problem
with drugs; where as your drug of choice is the bottle. You are a
kindred spirit, David.

I'm certain that snit would help you, in whatever severely limited way
in which he can. His technical skills, even you must agree at this
point, leave much to be desired. His troubleshooting skills, heh, well,
Joel dumped an OS to resolve an audio cd burning issue and snit didn't
see a problem with that line of troubleshooting. So, if the issue comes
up again, Joel is no better off than he was the last time. Reinstall OS
to fix it, because he doesn't know how. That's what happens when you
elect to drop out. rofl.

--
(A)bort, (R)etry, (T)ake down entire network?

Gremlin

2020-07-30 02:58:18 UTC

Snit is a very kind guy. If I asked him for help, I've no doubt
at all that he'd willingly help me. At the moment, though, I
feel no need to ask.

Snit is a lot like you, yes. He's a very bad liar, and he has a
problem with drugs; where as your drug of choice is the bottle.
You are a kindred spirit, David.

See: here you are showing how you work to emulate Carroll -- he
has manipulated you into doing something I do not think you did
much of before: telling direct lie about drug abuse for the
purpose to further your trolling and attacks.

Snit, I've found piles of posts, some of which go into a bit of
detail, from you (header confirmed already, thanks) discussing
various prescription medications you take or have taken in the past.
I didn't pull the accusation out of my ass, as you've done several
times now with me. Because, well, I'm not like you. I don't go around
writing bullshit that I can't backup.

David is a drunk, regardless of what he claims, he's a drunk. And you
are quite well, medicated, depending on which post I read and how old
the post is. Since some of your issues are life long, there's just no
way you're completely drug free now.

OTH, If you'd like to embarrass yourself that much more by trying to
play wordy word concerning various prescription meds, I'll play. I've
got all kinds of .. friends and associates who are either prescribed
various drugs and/or aren't but use them (abuse them, who are we
kidding here) recreationally. At this point I'm okay with letting you
embarrass yourself further. You've repeatedly lied on me, talked shit
about me, and tried to troll me for awhile now in acw. I'm over it.

I'm not going to use kid gloves or be gentle with the way in which I
treat you anymore. You're hostile, intentionally, so i'll treat you
as such from here on out. When you lie on me, or another, and I can
prove it, I'll be right back on your ass about it, keeping score.

Every time you lie and don't apologize, that's just a better looking
score card against you. I won't waste time with silly bs lies, just
the good ones - like the carroll accusation, straight up, or the bot
accusation where you claimed I was not only "called out" but that I
"clarified". Neither happened, you made both of those claims up. You
literally pulled them from your arsehole and didn't think anyone
would notice. Except, I did notice, and I'm calling you out for it,
in all the newsgroups you've haunted. I didn't pick any of them at
random. :) I told you, script kiddie on your best days, I'm a chess
playing individual - and until you learn how to play to win, you're
always going to be atleast six moves behind me, Snit.

Post by Gremlin
I'm certain that snit would help you, in whatever severely
limited way in which he can.

LOL! See: there is your arrogance again. Remember when you used to
pretend to not have it be so open.

I don't believe that it's arrogant of me to point out various lies
you've told about me, no. I didn't ask you to lie about me, you opted
to do that entirely on your own as you were trying to support Davids
efforts to do what one of the things he does best, troll me.

I didn't lie about you, I stated that you would help David, in
whatever severely limited way that you can. You aren't a programmer,
barely a script kiddie.. Your troubleshooting skills are, let's be
frank, a joke on a bright sunshiny day with perfect weather. Your
understanding of actual hardware is, sadly, a joke on a good day.

You couldn't even help him with a full source code backdoor example,
and it was written in ASIC. It's a very simple, straight forward
(hehe) language and you couldn't do anything with it for him.

So I wasn't lying about what I wrote, nor being even slightly
arrogant about it. Now, if you want to see examples of actual
arrogance, and stupidity in the same post, one only need to examine
some of yours where you claim I know "some about electronics" and a
little about computers, but I don't even understand the basics.
Asshat, I've got certs older than your entire career, certs you
actually had to earn. Novell isn't a joke.

I asked if you even knew what Novell was, you never answered me.
You've had plenty of time to google about it by now though.

It's arrogant of you to go and write the stupid shit you have
concerning me and what you think I do/don't know. Very arrogant, and
oh so very fucking stupid. It really is.

Post by Gremlin
His technical skills, even you must agree at this
point, leave much to be desired. His troubleshooting skills, heh,
well, Joel dumped an OS to resolve an audio cd burning issue and
snit didn't see a problem with that line of troubleshooting. So,
if the issue comes up again, Joel is no better off than he was
the last time. Reinstall OS to fix it, because he doesn't know
how. That's what happens when you elect to drop out. rofl.

Notice how you again show you fail to understand what you read. It
is amazing how often you make such demonstrations.

Please, for all of us, point out exactly what I failed to understand.
Use crayons if you feel it necessary, make a video. Let's see you
backup something (anything?) you've been writing.

--
BASIC is to computer programming as 'qwerty' is to typing.

David_B

2020-07-30 08:44:05 UTC

Gremlin, Raid/SLAM, Diesel, Dustin J Cook is a *LIAR*

Post by Gremlin
David is a drunk, regardless of what he claims, he's a drunk.

No, Dustin, I'm not! :-D

Snit

2020-07-30 08:47:07 UTC

Post by David_B
Gremlin, Raid/SLAM, Diesel, Dustin J Cook is a *LIAR*

Post by Gremlin
David is a drunk, regardless of what he claims, he's a drunk.

No, Dustin, I'm not! :-D

When I first met Diesel he tried to present himself as honest and decent.

He no longer even tries.

--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They
cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel
somehow superior by attacking the messenger. They cling to their attacks
and ignore the message time and time again.

David_B

2020-07-30 13:53:24 UTC

Post by David_B
Gremlin, Raid/SLAM, Diesel, Dustin J Cook is a *LIAR*

Post by Gremlin
David is a drunk, regardless of what he claims, he's a drunk.

No, Dustin, I'm not! :-D

When I first met Diesel he tried to present himself as honest and decent.
He no longer even tries.

I'm rather sorry that he has wasted his life with nothing to show for it
but a dead cat. :-(

David

2020-07-30 15:11:27 UTC

Post by David_B
Gremlin, Raid/SLAM, Diesel, Dustin J Cook is a *LIAR*

Post by Gremlin
David is a drunk, regardless of what he claims, he's a drunk.

No, Dustin, I'm not! :-D

When I first met Diesel he tried to present himself as honest and decent.
He no longer even tries.

I'm rather sorry that he has wasted his life with nothing to show for it
but a dead cat. :-(

You prefer a dead son?

noname

2020-07-30 13:33:09 UTC

Snit is a very kind guy. If I asked him for help, I've no doubt
at all that he'd willingly help me. At the moment, though, I
feel no need to ask.

Snit is a lot like you, yes. He's a very bad liar, and he has a
problem with drugs; where as your drug of choice is the bottle.
You are a kindred spirit, David.

It's the end of the month and as you have discovered, snit's posts are
becoming more bizarre as the first day of the next month approaches.
What happens is snit tends to run out of his tax payer provided
prescription drugs so he starts hitting the home made gluebag and
begins an extended period of posting bizarre messages to usenet.
It's a pattern that repeats itself almost every month and there are
examples of it all over usenet.

As soon as snit receives his prescription refill, he will return to
almost normal, semi lucid and continue lying his ass off in order to
annoy his current victims. And when the end of August approaches snit
will once again hit the gluebag and go off the rails for a few days
until he gets his refill.

Rinse and repeat for 20 years.

David_B

2020-07-30 13:50:34 UTC

Post by noname

Snit is a very kind guy. If I asked him for help, I've no doubt
at all that he'd willingly help me. At the moment, though, I
feel no need to ask.

Snit is a lot like you, yes. He's a very bad liar, and he has a
problem with drugs; where as your drug of choice is the bottle.
You are a kindred spirit, David.

It's the end of the month and as you have discovered, snit's posts are
becoming more bizarre as the first day of the next month approaches.
What happens is snit tends to run out of his tax payer provided
prescription drugs so he starts hitting the home made gluebag and
begins an extended period of posting bizarre messages to usenet.
It's a pattern that repeats itself almost every month and there are
examples of it all over usenet.
As soon as snit receives his prescription refill, he will return to
almost normal, semi lucid and continue lying his ass off in order to
annoy his current victims. And when the end of August approaches snit
will once again hit the gluebag and go off the rails for a few days
until he gets his refill.
Rinse and repeat for 20 years.

You appear to be jealous of Snit's honesty.

I have no trust in folk who hide behind their keyboard and tell lies
about other people. Why *DO* you do that, 'noname'?

Snit

2020-07-30 17:39:30 UTC

Snit is a very kind guy. If I asked him for help, I've no doubt
at all that he'd willingly help me. At the moment, though, I
feel no need to ask.

Snit is a lot like you, yes. He's a very bad liar, and he has a
problem with drugs; where as your drug of choice is the bottle.
You are a kindred spirit, David.

It's the end of the month and as you have discovered, snit's posts are
becoming more bizarre as the first day of the next month approaches.
What happens is snit tends to run out of his tax payer provided
prescription drugs so he starts hitting the home made gluebag and
begins an extended period of posting bizarre messages to usenet.
It's a pattern that repeats itself almost every month and there are
examples of it all over usenet.
As soon as snit receives his prescription refill, he will return to
almost normal, semi lucid and continue lying his ass off in order to
annoy his current victims. And when the end of August approaches snit
will once again hit the gluebag and go off the rails for a few days
until he gets his refill.
Rinse and repeat for 20 years.

You appear to be jealous of Snit's honesty.
I have no trust in folk who hide behind their keyboard and tell lies
about other people. Why *DO* you do that, 'noname'?

It is so weird that "new" people come in having the exact same delusions
as Carroll. I wonder how that happens?

Gremlin

2020-07-30 00:42:35 UTC

Steve Carroll <"Steve Carroll"@noSPAM.none> news:rfsqo6$ai$2
@fretwizzer.eternal-september.org Wed, 29 Jul 2020 21:46:46 GMT in

(snip)

<shrug> seems to me you and Snit have atleast one thing in common.
Neither of you is a good listener.

I listened, that doesn't mean I'm bound to comply. You can use the
internet the way you want and I'll do the same. Or maybe, like

Snit,

you like to be a control freak, eh?

ROFL. Yea, that must be it. Do you really think that you're the first
person to come along and try to explain things of a technical or even
semi technical nature to David? Do you really think the results of
your efforts are going to in any possible way have a different
outcome than the others efforts? Do you really think he has no
intention of learning to use whatever you can teach him to attack
others - and by others, I do mean the sites themselves too; he gets
off on 'scanning' them excessively without permission?

This is what I've repeatedly been trying to explain to you, as you
continue to ignore me (basically yea, that's what you're doing) and
continue with your lesson plan as if nothing had changed, or nobody
came to you and said, hey, this kid your teaching explosives about,
he intends to use the knowledge to blow the facility up. What do you
do? tell the student to find a seat, and continue on with your
lesson.

You and Snit came here for different reasons, I suppose, but the more
I get to know each of you, the less different you both actually are.

You're both all about trying to educate David. He doesn't need your
help, he's only going to use it down the road to stalk and continue
fucking with other people and their sites. Neither of you seem to
give a shit about that, but you might down the road if either of you
gives him a hinky; you'll quickly regret having told him anything in
confidence and having taught him anything.

In other words, you aren't going to be exceptioned for your good
deeds. Either of you. When he has no further use for you, the two of
you will join myself and others on Davids hinky shitlist. And, I ,
being me, will slightly mock both of you for not listening, many
times, when several of us all took the time (we wasted it really) to
warn both of you.

Don't take my word for this, any of it, learn the hard way; it's
always much more entertaining when they (well, the two of you) do.
You won't be the first, and you won't be the last. More suckers will
come eventually and he'll repeat his wash and spin cycle for the new
ones, just as he's been doing with the two of you.

--
Why do our kids have to take the Iowa Test for Basic Skills?
Why can't we have a Georgia Test of Basic Skills with questions like,
"Bubba's got three cars and he done traded for two more. How many
cement blocks is Bubba gonna need?"

Gremlin

2020-07-30 02:58:19 UTC

...

Post by Gremlin
You and Snit came here for different reasons, I suppose, but the
more I get to know each of you, the less different you both
actually are.

Hey! Are you waking up to how much Carroll is manipulating you? I
hope so! Sadly I bet you do not really do stick to that.

Uhh, you might want to slowly, as in, very slowly, go back and re-
read the sentence I wrote that you opted to respond to. I don't think
you quite grasp the implication with your reply.

Post by Gremlin
You're both all about trying to educate David.

There is much more to both of us. You are, again, failing to
understand basic concepts.

You are, without a doubt, trying to setup a strawman for future use.
You've yet to show any proof/evidence of any kind, even
circumstancial that I don't understand what I read. Your continued
efforts to claim it, to defend from your failures, isn't going to get
the job done for you. I've known some of the people here for over two
decades; I do not have a problem understanding things I read. YOU DO,
though. And it's very evident. You obviously have a real problem with
me pointing it out, but I can't help it, it's a pet peeve. In this
day and age, there's not legitimate reason for an adult of your age
to be as illiterate as you've repeatedly shown yourself to be here.

There's just no legitimate excuse for your piss poor education and
the results of it. Nothing arrogant about that, either, Snit.

Post by Gremlin
He doesn't need your
help,

Need or not, I will continue to help him -- and you and others --
when it is appropriate to do so.
<snip your efforts at manipulation>

What you snipped, that you're falsely claiming is manipulation (yet
another lie you've now told Snit. Are you going for a record in a
single posting period?)

You're both all about trying to educate David. He doesn't need your
help, he's only going to use it down the road to stalk and continue
fucking with other people and their sites. Neither of you seem to
give a shit about that, but you might down the road if either of you
gives him a hinky; you'll quickly regret having told him anything in
confidence and having taught him anything.

In other words, you aren't going to be exceptioned for your good
deeds. Either of you. When he has no further use for you, the two of
you will join myself and others on Davids hinky shitlist. And, I ,
being me, will slightly mock both of you for not listening, many
times, when several of us all took the time (we wasted it really) to
warn both of you.

Don't take my word for this, any of it, learn the hard way; it's
always much more entertaining when they (well, the two of you) do.
You won't be the first, and you won't be the last. More suckers will
come eventually and he'll repeat his wash and spin cycle for the new
ones, just as he's been doing with the two of you.

I can backup every single statement I wrote there, snit. No effort to
manipulate on any level or any aspect. I didn't lie about anything,
nor did I make a single effort to mislead in any way shape or form. I
didn't even do so much as withhold information as your friend David
likes doing so often with me.

Oh, and did I just catch you with another double standard? When David
writes lies, actual lies on me, you don't call him out for trying to
manipulate anyone. Why is that, Snit?

--
Thank you for holding your breath while I smoke.

Steve Carroll

2020-07-30 13:11:38 UTC

["Followup-To:" header set to alt.computer.workshop.]
On 2020-07-30, Gremlin <***@haph.org> wrote:

(snip)

Post by Gremlin
This is what I've repeatedly been trying to explain to you, as you
continue to ignore me (basically yea, that's what you're doing) and
continue with your lesson plan as if nothing had changed, or nobody
came to you and said, hey, this kid your teaching explosives about,
he intends to use the knowledge to blow the facility up. What do you
do? tell the student to find a seat, and continue on with your
lesson.

There are *tons* of sources on the 'net where DB can find useful info,
*much* more useful and to the point, than the basic things I'm showing.

Post by Gremlin
You and Snit came here for different reasons, I suppose, but the more
I get to know each of you, the less different you both actually are.

That's your opinion and you're entitled to it but it comes with
attachments, the primary one being:

You can no longer use me as any kind of 'witness' in your discussions
with Snit... a thing, you may note, he's *already* taking advantage of.

Gremlin

2020-07-30 00:42:31 UTC

David_B <***@nomail.afraid.org> news:f2nUG.170804$Rb1.143707
@fx35.ams1 Wed, 29 Jul 2020 22:49:47 GMT in alt.computer.workshop,

Is your iMac listed here?
https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201634

No. It's too old.

Treat yourself to a new one! ;-)

What advantages would it offer vs the hardware he already has?

--
666-A -- The Tenant of the Beast.

David_B

2020-07-30 08:15:56 UTC

Post by Gremlin
@fx35.ams1 Wed, 29 Jul 2020 22:49:47 GMT in alt.computer.workshop,

Is your iMac listed here?
https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201634

No. It's too old.

Treat yourself to a new one! ;-)

What advantages would it offer vs the hardware he already has?

What Apple itself says here is absolutely true!

https://www.apple.com/uk/imac-pro/

If it's not obvious, do scroll that page!

Snit

2020-07-30 08:18:13 UTC

Post by Gremlin
@fx35.ams1 Wed, 29 Jul 2020 22:49:47 GMT in alt.computer.workshop,

Is your iMac listed here?
https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201634

No. It's too old.

Treat yourself to a new one! ;-)

What advantages would it offer vs the hardware he already has?

What Apple itself says here is absolutely true!
https://www.apple.com/uk/imac-pro/
If it's not obvious, do scroll that page!

I’ll take two. :)

--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They
cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel
somehow superior by attacking the messenger. They cling to their attacks
and ignore the message time and time again.

David_B

2020-07-30 10:53:33 UTC

Post by Gremlin
@fx35.ams1 Wed, 29 Jul 2020 22:49:47 GMT in alt.computer.workshop,

Is your iMac listed here?
https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201634

No. It's too old.

Treat yourself to a new one! ;-)

What advantages would it offer vs the hardware he already has?

What Apple itself says here is absolutely true!
https://www.apple.com/uk/imac-pro/
If it's not obvious, do scroll that page!

I’ll take two. :)

Haha! :-)

Which model(s) do YOU have?

Snit

2020-07-30 17:42:17 UTC

Post by Gremlin
@fx35.ams1 Wed, 29 Jul 2020 22:49:47 GMT in alt.computer.workshop,

Is your iMac listed here?
https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201634

No. It's too old.

Treat yourself to a new one! ;-)

What advantages would it offer vs the hardware he already has?

What Apple itself says here is absolutely true!
https://www.apple.com/uk/imac-pro/
If it's not obvious, do scroll that page!

I’ll take two. :)

Haha! :-)
Which model(s) do YOU have?

A 2017 iMac. My goodness how time flies. Also have older ones in the
house -- going back to 2007 or so.

Gremlin

2020-08-01 04:56:01 UTC

David_B <***@nomail.afraid.org> news:0lvUG.108722$Ai5.46205
@fx30.ams1 Thu, 30 Jul 2020 08:15:56 GMT in alt.computer.workshop,

Post by Gremlin
@fx35.ams1 Wed, 29 Jul 2020 22:49:47 GMT in alt.computer.workshop,

Is your iMac listed here?
https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201634

No. It's too old.

Treat yourself to a new one! ;-)

What advantages would it offer vs the hardware he already has?

What Apple itself says here is absolutely true!

That's not a very helpful answer...

In your own words, what advantages would it offer vs the hardware he
already has? If you don't know, just state as such. Thanks.

--
I tried to contain myself, but I escaped.

Snit

2020-08-01 05:10:38 UTC

Post by Gremlin
@fx30.ams1 Thu, 30 Jul 2020 08:15:56 GMT in alt.computer.workshop,

Post by Gremlin
@fx35.ams1 Wed, 29 Jul 2020 22:49:47 GMT in alt.computer.workshop,

Is your iMac listed here?
https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201634

No. It's too old.

Treat yourself to a new one! ;-)

What advantages would it offer vs the hardware he already has?

What Apple itself says here is absolutely true!

That's not a very helpful answer...
In your own words, what advantages would it offer vs the hardware he
already has? If you don't know, just state as such. Thanks.

I suspect he already knows newer hardware tends to run faster and run
newer OSs and software. It depends on his needs how this will
specifically impact him.

Gremlin

2020-08-01 06:46:31 UTC

Post by Gremlin
@fx30.ams1 Thu, 30 Jul 2020 08:15:56 GMT in

Post by Gremlin
@fx35.ams1 Wed, 29 Jul 2020 22:49:47 GMT in

Is your iMac listed here?
https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201634

No. It's too old.

Treat yourself to a new one! ;-)

What advantages would it offer vs the hardware he already has?

What Apple itself says here is absolutely true!

That's not a very helpful answer...
In your own words, what advantages would it offer vs the hardware
he already has? If you don't know, just state as such. Thanks.

I suspect he already knows newer hardware tends to run faster and
run newer OSs and software. It depends on his needs how this will
specifically impact him.

Snit, do you feel that David is so incompetent that he's not able to
answer my question?

--
What did the elephant say to the naked man?
How do you pick up anything with that?

Gremlin

2020-07-30 00:42:31 UTC

Is there a reason you prefer to run XP?

I'd rather run Win 2000 but it's not so capable these days. XP
still works for most things and I prefer it to later MS
releases. It's better designed, less of a resource hog, and I
have proper control over it. It's installed on an older iMac
which has a half decent screen. The Win 7 is on a laptop which
is less covenient to use.

I have an old MacBook Pro that I had to decommission from doing
web dev because it wouldn't run the 'latest' browser versions
It's a f*cking browser, not some high end app... what a racket.
I replaced it with an ASUS laptop I run Linux on.

Did you try running Ubuntu on the MacBook Pro?

I tried loading it up with Debian Wheezy (it's circa 2006) no
luck.

I've experimented a great deal over the years.

He wasn't writing about alcohol, David.

If that machine is in working order - and can connect to the
Internet - I'd most certainly try my luck. In fact, if you wish,
to save you time and trouble, we could connect up with TeamViewer
and I'll spend MY time trying to get it running for you!

How is you offering to help him, with the knowledge you don't have
demonstrated for decades now going to save him any time or effort? He
might as well just do it all himself, lest he has to stop every few
seconds and explain what he's doing, and why he's doing it.

For fucks sake, David, you couldn't even understand that x.x.x.x is
NOT a valid IP address. Numbers should be in place of the character
'x'. You are NOT the right person to fix a computer, remotely.

Hell, why not just ask him to image the hard disk and send it to you
for 'analysis'? Pending he actually uses the machine and it has
personal data, you can 'get to know him better' by going through it,
as you tell him you're 'fixing' the machine.

--
Mow Mow Boppa Mow Mow Mow

Gremlin

2020-07-30 02:58:17 UTC

Is there a reason you prefer to run XP?

I'd rather run Win 2000 but it's not so capable these days.
XP still works for most things and I prefer it to later MS
releases. It's better designed, less of a resource hog, and
I have proper control over it. It's installed on an older
iMac which has a half decent screen. The Win 7 is on a
laptop which is less covenient to use.

I have an old MacBook Pro that I had to decommission from
doing web dev because it wouldn't run the 'latest' browser
versions It's a f*cking browser, not some high end app...
what a racket. I replaced it with an ASUS laptop I run Linux
on.

Did you try running Ubuntu on the MacBook Pro?

I tried loading it up with Debian Wheezy (it's circa 2006) no
luck.

I've experimented a great deal over the years.

He wasn't writing about alcohol, David.

A shame you misunderstood what he was reading so badly you thought
he had changed the topic to that.

In your hasty effort to besmirch me again, you missed an obvious
sarcastic reply I wrote for him. I'll do you a solid and clearly
label my snarky posts with a /snark flag in the future. I wouldn't
want you to step on your own dick so quickly again, Snit.

If that machine is in working order - and can connect to the
Internet - I'd most certainly try my luck. In fact, if you wish,
to save you time and trouble, we could connect up with
TeamViewer and I'll spend MY time trying to get it running for
you!

Remember when you used to deny the arrogance you demonstrate,
below? Amazing how quickly you contradict yourself.

Snit, David Brooks actually tried to use x.x.x.x as an IP for his
router once. Are you really going to disagree with what I wrote now
that you know that? Would you want someone trying to help you
diagnose an IT issue when they confuse x.x.x.x as a valid IP address?

Seriously, would you be comfortable letting an asshat like that on
your machine? If so, volunteer yours, before you come to Davids
defense when he's offering services he doesn't have the knowledge to
support. There's nothing 'arrogant' about pointing that out either.

If you're going to try and pass yourself off as someone with a normal
vocabulary, please learn to use the correct terminology to describe
various things. The example you selected for arrogance isn't it,
Snit.

And neither is the spamming one you accused me of previously.
Xposting doesn't automatically equal spamming. Do you even understand
where the term actually comes from?

--
The only way to amuse some people is to slip and fall on an icy
pavement.

Gremlin

2020-07-30 07:34:36 UTC

Post by Gremlin
In your hasty effort to besmirch me again, you missed an obvious
sarcastic reply I wrote for him.

Oh, I understood your trolling -- I just happily tossed it back
into your face. I do that a lot with you... and others who troll.
If you do not troll me I do not do anything to push your tantrum.
But when you troll me or others I have no issue shoving your BS
into your face.

I wasn't trolling him, Snit. As I've tried to tell you before, and
offered to show you plenty of evidence to support, David and I have
quite a history. I don't know what you think you tossed back in my
face, but we've already established that you're a liar, and various
other regulars have agreed with what Carroll has written about you
concerning what you've been trying to pull with me, twice now.

Do you need me to share those posts with you again to remind you?
They aren't buying your bullshit, Snit.

Post by Gremlin
I'll do you a solid and clearly
label my snarky posts with a /snark flag in the future.

No. You will not, at least not as a rule.

First, don't get the silly idea that you're in any position to tell
me what I will or will not do. I'll do as I damn well please, thanks.

You will make moreexcuses and throw more tantrums and beg me yet
again to lie for> you. You cannot help yourself at this point.

Since you want to continue playing avoidance, let's get even more
specific about what you wrote, and how we all know you lied about me
when you wrote this:

alt.computer.workshop,comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,ta
lk.politics.guns,alt.comp.os.windows-10

http://al.howardknight.net/?ID=159159190100
Diesel made it clear he had access not just to the output of the bot
but to the code itself. When called out on this he clarified it was
merely the compiled code he had:

<***@ZdS859K14.7p1JRyU90Zyd>
-----
Do you think when you disassemble something that you're
provided the original source code that was
compiled/assembled by the author? You aren't, what you're
given looks nothing like the original source code, but it
still tells you *everything* about the program.
-----

So how did Diesel get a copy of the program, compiled or not? My
guess: he will NEVER say.

I want to see the post(s) where I "made it quite clear" that I had
access to more than just the posts the bots been making (the output -
atleast what's available to an end user; admin may provide more
information). I want to see the post(s) where I was "called out", and
finally, I want to see the post(s) where I clarified I had the
"compiled code".

Those are three, seperate and distinct lies in a very short
paragraph. What you quoted me out of context! doesn't even come close
to supporting your accusation. And, it IS an accusation.
And then we have the issue of the question you asked at the end. That
question makes the assumption that what you wrote
previous to it is factual - The question is intended to give credence
to what's written previous to it, to give it credibility. To assist
in your effort to mislead. Which is incidently, a form of
manipulation, Snit.

You asked a specific question after you wrote the material. That
question directly implied that what you wrote prior to it was
accurate. We've already established that NOTHING YOU WROTE in that
post was accurate. So, about that question then, Snit. How can you
still claim you weren't lying when you wrote that post?

Where are the MIDs to the posts which support what you claimed took
place in it? You offered up that question to give credibility to your
bullshit story.

I've got a small but growing collection of other not so little white
lies you've told about me, and I'll begin bringing them up in fine
detail soon enough as well. The longer you take to either backup what
you wrote, OR, admit you lied and apologize, the finer the detail
over what you did, exactly, I'm going to get.

You really don't grasp the concept yet, I'm not like some others
you've tried to jerk around on usenet before. I'm not just going to
go away, you lied on me. Unless, you can provide the MIDs to the
posts which support the claim that (a) I was called out and (b) that
I clarified I had the bot. Otherwise, when combined with that
question you wrote, especially this question:

"So how did Diesel get a copy of the program, compiled or not? My
guess: he will NEVER say. " directly implies that the statements you
wrote prior to it have already been established as being the truth.
The problem for you is, you're not able to actually establish that.
Infact, what's been established is that you wrote some accusations
towards me, and because of that question I was intentionally ignoring
for your benefit, you can no longer claim it's a misunderstanding on
my part, or yours. It's a series of lies you wrote in a very short
paragraph that you then tried to pass off as established truth with
your followup question.

You tried to mislead people, Snit. You tried to manipulate others
with your post. You've been trying to do that with your accusations
concerning my ability to comprehend what I read. We've (and I do mean
all of us) have seen multiple examples of you struggling with the
simplest of english material. You are in absolutely no position to
even come close to questioning anyone elses comprehension level here.
The rest of us don't have the problems understanding material that
you've already shown you have, Snit.

Post by Gremlin
I wouldn't
want you to step on your own dick so quickly again, Snit.

Do you realize how much you sound like Carroll there? LOL! He
really does have you wrapped around his little finger.

As I wrote previously, according to you, at one point, I was/am
Carroll, or a sock of his. All without a smidgeon of any kind of
proof, not even bothering to so much as check usenet headers you go
and make another fraudulent accusation. You're a poster child for the
expression, when in a hole, one shouldn't keep digging.

Snit, it's obvious that anyone who writes something which doesn't
paint you as a saint is either going to be accused of being carroll,
a sock of carrolls, or otherwise 'manipulated' in some way that you
never disclose the specifics of, but accuse multiple times, by
carroll. It looks to me as if you've reached the point, amusingly,
where you're almost out of gas and are going to toss
anything/everything at the wall, hoping something/anything!!? sticks
to give you something/anything!?!? to work with at this point.

What a sad, miserable existance you must have, Snit. I bet your real
life existance isn't much more pleasant than the online one you seem
to take great pride in here.

Yea.. right. Give it up already. There's no fucking way one single
person is making hundreds of sock posts, all against you snit, for
over a decade now. I know several of the people who are quoted about
material concerning you. There's absolutely no way those people are
Carroll socks, either. And, every single individual on that list has
written something about you that can be fact checked and is provably
true and accurate concerning you, snit. And not one single item, so
far, that I've checked out is a good thing.

Not only have I yet to find a single compliment concerning you, so
far, every damn quote on that list, when pulled for full contextual
reading is accurate. I've yet to find someone who's actually lying
about you, or the things you do. Can you provide any MIDs where you
are falsely accused of.. well, anything, Snit?

Post by Gremlin
Are you really going to disagree with what I wrote now
that you know that? Would you want someone trying to help you
diagnose an IT issue when they confuse x.x.x.x as a valid IP
address?

Depends on the issue. You see, if you had a better understand of
tech you would understand that even people knowledgeable in one
area can be extremely ignorant of others.

You're really reaching now, Snit. I've told you several times that I
have a Novell cert that's most likely older than your career
(actually, I know it is, unless you lied about the dates on your
minibio) and I've asked you several times if you knew what Novell
was. If you have responded to that question, I've yet to see it.

I've gone into some detail to elaborate on what I meant by "things" I
did with computers as a kid too, I asked you and Joel if you did
anything like that and as expected, crickets was the response. Was it
resistor, or soldering that neither of you were comfortable with
doing at that age? Or, did neither of you know about such hardware
modifications to unlock or otherwise give yourself more features and
options concerning that hardware?

So, enough with your bullshit ruse about my not knowing tech; I do,
quite well, thanks. And considerably more than you know of it - right
down to the fucking components themselves. What you claimed was my
knowing "some about electronics" previously. You just can't help
yourself, you really do have to dig a hole. You are not a peer of
mine, snit, you'll never be a peer of mine. In the IT world people
like you are a fucking joke and have never, not one single time, been
able to hold a candle to me. That's not arrogance, that's not even
bragging, that's just being honest.

I know David quite well, I've interacted with him for a considerably
longer period of time than yourself. I know he's a technological
fucking moron, despite your efforts to claim otherwise. I've been
down the road he's on with Carroll and yourself, multiple times The
scenery never changes. David *never improves* his knowledge base.
Give it three months, he'll be asking the same fucking questions he's
asking now. He's done this multiple times before. You really don't
know him, Snit. You just think you do. He's far better at
manipulation than you'll ever be, but, like you, his manipulation
only works on simple minded individuals. So, his audience, much like
yours is rather niche.

Post by Gremlin
Seriously, would you be comfortable letting an asshat like that
on your machine? If so, volunteer yours, before you come to
Davids defense when he's offering services he doesn't have the
knowledge to support. There's nothing 'arrogant' about pointing
that out either.

I could note where you make many grammar errors. Does that imply
you are incompetent in all areas? Come on now, try to use some
logic. Just try. Work to understand simple concepts.

Snit, idiot, what the fuck does my freehand nature with usenet have
to do with what I asked you? Not a fucking thing. Try taking your own
advice, sometime, if you wouldn't mind. And perhaps, answer a
question on occasion. that's how 'conversation' works, Snit.

And super cool try with a grammar lame shot. Kiddo, we both know you
haven't got any live rounds left. You've been dry for awhile now.
That's not the point. Either find the posts you claim exist which
supoprt the accusations you made against me, or just admit that you
made it up and apologize for having done so. You aren't going to
decrease your credibility here, it's already zero now.

alt.computer.workshop,comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,ta
lk.politics.guns,alt.comp.os.windows-10

http://al.howardknight.net/?ID=159159190100
Diesel made it clear he had access not just to the output of the bot
but to the code itself. When called out on this he clarified it was
merely the compiled code he had:

<***@ZdS859K14.7p1JRyU90Zyd>
-----
Do you think when you disassemble something that you're
provided the original source code that was
compiled/assembled by the author? You aren't, what you're
given looks nothing like the original source code, but it
still tells you *everything* about the program.
-----

So how did Diesel get a copy of the program, compiled or not? My
guess: he will NEVER say.

I want to see the post(s) where I "made it quite clear" that I had
access to more than just the posts the bots been making (the output -
atleast what's available to an end user; admin may provide more
information). I want to see the post(s) where I was "called out", and
finally, I want to see the post(s) where I clarified I had the
"compiled code".

Those are three, seperate and distinct lies in a very short
paragraph. What you quoted me out of context! doesn't even come close
to supporting your accusation. And, it IS an accusation.
And then we have the issue of the question you asked at the end. That
question makes the assumption that what you wrote
previous to it is factual - The question is intended to give credence
to what's written previous to it, to give it credibility. To assist
in your effort to mislead. Which is incidently, a form of
manipulation, Snit.

You made three, distinct, accusations; direct claims of being called
out, and clarifying. You followed it up with your question, which
directly implies the aforementioned text was already determined to be
factual; when it's not. You not only lied your ass off here, snit,
you went a step further and attempted to mislead others into thinking
what you already wrote prior to the question was an established fact.
You didn't establish any facts, you lied, instead.

That's why, despite my asking multiple times now to see the posts
supporting what you wrote, you're still unable to provide the MIDs to
them; because they don't actually exist and you can't just make an
MID up; you know various people are checking this thread out now,
some have commented about how you fucked up here.

So, snit, again, either produce the posts you claimed, outright,
claimed exist with the words you used, or, admit you concocted the
whole thing, that you went well out of your way to lie on me, and
then went a step further to sell the lie with the question. How did I
get the bot? I didn't get any bot, we never established that was the
truth. You simply claimed it, and tried to make it the truth with
your question.

Now, snit, explain your way out of the mess you've gotten yourself
into once the question is brought out. <G> A question you wrote, to
go with your story. Go ahead, explain to us all that what I've
written isn't true; that there's a completely reasonable, alternate
explanation. And, feel free to share that explanation with us, Snit.

Post by Gremlin
If you're going to try and pass yourself off as someone with a
normal vocabulary, please learn to use the correct terminology to
describe various things. The example you selected for arrogance
isn't it, Snit.

The fact you fail to understand why it is the EXACT right word I
meant does not change the fact it is. Can you understand why your
ignorance does not alter such facts?

We haven't established that I fail to understand anything. Repeatedly
making the accusation with nothing to back it up - like you did with
the aforementioned series of lies - does not make it a truthful or
otherwise, factual statement. Do you understand that, or do I need to
dumb it down further for you?

Post by Gremlin
And neither is the spamming one you accused me of previously.
Xposting doesn't automatically equal spamming. Do you even
understand where the term actually comes from?

I know damned well you are spamming like crazy in your tantrum...
just as Carroll wants you to.

Ahh, so the answer to my question is that you don't know what
spamming actually is or even means. I'll give you a hint, then I'll
ask again if you understand what you're accusing me of, this time.

What am I advertising either for sale or for free, in any of the
posts I've written, Snit?

Now, again, I will ask, do you understand what spamming means? Is
that crickets I hear? Hmm. lol. Well, snit?

--
Sometimes on a rainy day, I sit around and weed the losers out of my
address book. --George Carlin

David_B

2020-07-30 10:35:38 UTC

On 30/07/2020 03:58, Gremlin *LIED* - *AGAIN*!

Post by Gremlin
David Brooks actually tried to use x.x.x.x as an IP for his
router once.

No, Dustin, he did *NOT* do so.

Stop lying!

Snit

2020-07-30 17:48:15 UTC

On 30/07/2020 03:58, Gremlin *LIED* - *AGAIN*!

Post by Gremlin
David Brooks actually tried to use x.x.x.x as an IP for his
router once.

No, Dustin, he did *NOT* do so.
Stop lying!

But let's say you had... say you were at some point in your life not
familiar with IP addresses. So what? Why would this be a reason to
attack you? NO! The fact you have learned would be a good thing (and
also be contrary to Diesel's own claim you refuse to or cannot learn).

So his claim speaks poorly of himself AND contradicts his own claims.

Gremlin

2020-08-01 04:56:03 UTC

On 30/07/2020 03:58, GremlinÂ *LIED* - *AGAIN*!

Post by Gremlin
David Brooks actually tried to use x.x.x.x as an IP for his
router once.

No, Dustin, he did *NOT* do so.
Stop lying!

But let's say you had... say you were at some point in your life
not familiar with IP addresses. So what? Why would this be a
reason to attack you? NO! The fact you have learned would be a
good thing (and also be contrary to Diesel's own claim you refuse
to or cannot learn).

ROFL.

You're an idiot, much like David. And a known liar too. Much like
David. The only thing I haven't seen you actually do is try stalking
people.

Post by Snit
So his claim speaks poorly of himself AND contradicts his own
claims.

You'd do yourself and others around you a great service if you'd take
some adult reading classes and regularly attend them. Public school
failed you. And quite honestly, I don't see how you were doing much
teaching with the demonstrated severe reading comprehension issues
you have. Those degrees, all online courses?

--
No soul is more a soul than another.

Shadow

2020-07-30 23:25:32 UTC

Post by David_B
On 30/07/2020 03:58, Gremlin *LIED* - *AGAIN*!

Post by Gremlin
David Brooks actually tried to use x.x.x.x as an IP for his
router once.

No, <personal name redacted>, he did *NOT* do so.
Stop lying!

Are you calling M.E. a *LIAR* ?

Message-ID: <***@mid.individual.net>

------------------------------------
BD: I want people to "get to know me better. I have nothing to
hide".
I'm always here to help, this page was put up at BD's request,
rather, he said "Do it *NOW*!":

<https://tekrider.net/pages/david-brooks-stalker.php>

67 confirmed #FAKE_NYMS, most used in cybercrimes!
Google "David Brooks Devon"
[]'s

--
Don't be evil - Google 2004
We have a new policy - Google 2012

David_B

2020-07-30 10:54:36 UTC

Is there a reason you prefer to run XP?

Did you try running Ubuntu on the MacBook Pro?

I tried loading it up with Debian Wheezy (it's circa 2006) no
luck.

I've experimented a great deal over the years.

He wasn't writing about alcohol, David.

I don't drink alcohol nowadays. I stopped on 21st March 2018.

Wine taken at church services isn't 'drunk' - it is sipped!

I suspect that he has better things to do.

Post by Gremlin
For fucks sake, David, you couldn't even understand that x.x.x.x is
NOT a valid IP address. Numbers should be in place of the character
'x'.

Do you REALLY think that? Don't you read all the posts here? Ask Apd -
he will confirm.

You are NOT the right person to fix a computer, remotely.

I've done it before! :-)

If you put your website back on line, I'll tell you what YOUR IP is! ;-)

Post by Gremlin
Hell, why not just ask him to image the hard disk and send it to you
for 'analysis'? Pending he actually uses the machine and it has
personal data, you can 'get to know him better' by going through it,
as you tell him you're 'fixing' the machine.

No need to image it, he can send the whole computer and, when/if I've
fixed it, I can give it to someone needy. That's the sort of thing I do,
Dustin, not steal and misappropriate commercial software as you have
claimed to do.

Gremlin

2020-08-01 04:56:03 UTC

Is there a reason you prefer to run XP?

I'd rather run Win 2000 but it's not so capable these days.
XP still works for most things and I prefer it to later MS
releases. It's better designed, less of a resource hog, and
I have proper control over it. It's installed on an older
iMac which has a half decent screen. The Win 7 is on a
laptop which is less covenient to use.

I have an old MacBook Pro that I had to decommission from
doing web dev because it wouldn't run the 'latest' browser
versions It's a f*cking browser, not some high end app...
what a racket. I replaced it with an ASUS laptop I run Linux
on.

Did you try running Ubuntu on the MacBook Pro?

I tried loading it up with Debian Wheezy (it's circa 2006) no
luck.

I've experimented a great deal over the years.

He wasn't writing about alcohol, David.

I don't drink alcohol nowadays. I stopped on 21st March 2018.
Wine taken at church services isn't 'drunk' - it is sipped!

ROFL. I get it, it's an exception to your claim that you didn't touch
a drop since you quit, and you wanted to cover your ass here when I'd
ask about your church services. <G>

It's what you do, lie. Either directly, or indirectly by choosing not
to be completely forthcoming in your answers - which is 'odd' to pull
a snit, because you expect that of others. so funny.

If that machine is in working order - and can connect to the
Internet - I'd most certainly try my luck. In fact, if you wish,
to save you time and trouble, we could connect up with
TeamViewer and I'll spend MY time trying to get it running for
you!

I suspect that he has better things to do.

I agree, which is why I wrote what I did.

Post by Gremlin
For fucks sake, David, you couldn't even understand that x.x.x.x
is NOT a valid IP address. Numbers should be in place of the
character 'x'.

Do you REALLY think that? Don't you read all the posts here? Ask
Apd - he will confirm.

Uhh, you already demonstrated you had no clue. Or, have you forgotten
about the thread already? Apd did infact confirm in the very thread
i'm writing about. Would you like to know what he confirmed, David?
:)

Post by David_B
You are NOT the right person to fix a computer, remotely.
I've done it before! :-)

Uhh, David, I have degrees and many many hours doing IT work
professionally that clearly says otherwise. <G>

I've done thousands of remote connection repairs, David. How many
have you performed succesfully? <G>

Post by David_B
If you put your website back on line, I'll tell you what YOUR IP is! ;-)

WAHAHAHAHAAHA. You're a fucking idiot.

Post by Gremlin
Hell, why not just ask him to image the hard disk and send it to
you for 'analysis'? Pending he actually uses the machine and it
has personal data, you can 'get to know him better' by going
through it, as you tell him you're 'fixing' the machine.

No need to image it, he can send the whole computer and, when/if
I've fixed it, I can give it to someone needy.

I do the same, but, the thing is, people can trust me not to abuse
the data that might still be on the machine. With you, it's very
unwise to send anything to you that has personal data. You're very
likely to make copies to abuse the individual with later.

You do it online, no reason to suspect you wouldn't do the same if
provided physical access to a treasure trove of personal data.

In my case, whatever data was on the machine gets hosed before
anything else is done if it's to be for a donation. And when I set it
up to be donated, it's done properly. So that it's secure AND ready
for use, as soon as it's powered on again.

Post by David_B
That's the sort of thing I do, Dustin

You are not, nor have you ever been employed as a professional PC
repair technician. You have no certifications, no specialized
training, limited tools and limited knowledge to go with them.

I have none of those aforementioned shortcomings. I have the degrees,
the certifications, the training, the hands on experience, the proper
tools, and the knowledge to use them.

Post by David_B
not steal and misappropriate commercial software as you have
claimed to do.

Hah, how quick you are to forget soliciting the help of Snit for you
to crack the free trial marker on clamxav and then proceed to publish
those details to anyone else who wanted to know how to use the
product in free trial mode, with all features running, forever
without having to pay for it.

Atleast I don't have to get someone else to do the dirty work for me,
I've got the knowledge required for that part too. Very Jealous you
are, eh, David?

And incidently, steal isn't the appropriate word to use to describe
digital copyright infringement, but, you know that; it just makes
your bitch attack sound more impressive. :)

--
When I was a kid, I...No wait, I still do that.

Gremlin

2020-07-30 00:42:35 UTC

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I'm 100% confident that Snit is not/was not
responsible for the 'flood' posts.

I'm inclined to agree with you there, David. I still don't think
either of them are actually behind it. I think it's most likely
one

If you examine all the evidence and the history, Snit is the "most
likely one", by a *long* shot. Part of your unwillingness to
believe that may stem from how vigorously Snit denies it. Ask
anyone in COLA or CSMA what his doing so is "more likely" to mean
and why.

(but could
be more) individual who knows them both (likely a regular of
cola or something they both know each other from) and is taking
advantage of their animosity towards each other for free
entertainment.

The fact that *any* of us are talking about any of this childish
crap shows how effective that lying asshole is. He is the *only*
one to get any mileage out of that flood bot and we're stupidly
giving it to him. Ignore it for any length of time and what
happens? We've all seen, we all know.

Not only is
the bot code itself lame as fuck all, the individual who's so
proud of it obviously is such a loser, his/her only chance of
entertainment is usenet trolling.

LOL!
Trolling and bots aren't just entertainment to Snit, they're his
life's 'work', especially the trolling. Combining a bot with it
would be like icing his his cake. You were dead on with seeing his
need to get validation from "others", which is why you need to
understand that this isn't like automating the creation of recipe
PDFs or any of the other things he calls 'tech'. This is something
that, in his mind, puts him on par with 'programmers or coders',
which is why he's sitting back and having a good laugh over the
whole thing, that people who are telling him they're smarter than
he is can't figure out his 'secret'. I'd bet my eyes on it.
You need to understand something fundamental about Snit, being
"Arnie" up on that tree branch isn't just in Snit's wheelhouse, it
*is* his wheelhouse. He *did* create a bot that runs on usenet
(his "COLA bot") and he very well may be running it manually or,
at least, partially manually. Only *he* would waste *this* much
"From 9/8 to 9/11 last year, he posted 589 times in 4 days."
DFS also tracked Snit as posting between 4-500 in a 3 day period.
How difficult is it to copy/paste from prepared data, or have his
'bot' do it, for a much larger number over the same period of
time? There is no one else who would be aware of all the history
who is *this* obsessive and has shown they have this amount of
time to troll with. When I said GG showed he often posted up to
3000 a month, many of them extremely lengthy and requiring
'research', I wasn't joking. He simply found a new way to troll.
The idea that it isn't "most likely" him makes no sense to those
of us that watched the history and know him.

And, it's not even that good, being as it's so easy to
filter out.
Apd and myself disagree somewhat on the automation aspects of
the bot. I'm not convinced it's automated in any real way based
on some tests i've been doing. You didn't really think my
replies to yourself and Snit was only intended for you did ya?
and, I'm not spamming anywhere; thanks. Please learn to use the
proper terminology if you're going to accuse me of something.
I've been xposting for several reasons. One is part of an
ongoing analysis test and the other is to ensure the groups
I'm familiar with all get to know your new best friend, before
he's able to cause much of a ruckus there.

And all you may be doing is giving him places to 'hunt' ;)

Maybe. I might also have been leading him into a den where some of my
friends are hanging out. <G> They like me, will find his lawdog
threats to be most amusing. When the game begins, expect him to do a
lot of 'whining and crying' about things which will be well outside
of his control, and more than slightly outside of his lawdogs
jurisdiction or even understanding.

He thinks his police can do what lifelock can't always do for their
clients. rofl. It must be nice to be so ignorant.

I have far more confidence in what Apd has to say on the matter.
:-D

Yet, you have even more "confidence" in a person who has an
interest in pinning that POS of me... when he very well could be
the one who is behind it. How "honourable" does that make you?

Haha, David isn't an honorable person. What honorable person would
try to blackmail someone else into comitting felonious computer
tresspass for his and his alone benefit?

--
All that glitters has a high refractive index.

David_B

2020-07-30 10:27:28 UTC

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Post by Gremlin
Haha, David isn't an honorable person.

Oh! yes, Dustin, I am! :-D

Post by Gremlin
What honorable person would
try to blackmail someone else into comitting felonious computer
tresspass for his and his alone benefit?

I don't do things for *MY* benefit, Dustin.

I'm always looking for the common good. :-)

Gremlin

2020-07-30 02:58:19 UTC