Post by Ruud HarmsenMon, 5 Nov 2018 04:16:17 -0800 (PST): "Peter T. Daniels"
Post by Peter T. DanielsPost by Ruud HarmsenSun, 4 Nov 2018 12:50:17 -0800 (PST): "Peter T. Daniels"
Post by Peter T. DanielsPost by Ruud HarmsenWrong. I am quite willing to believe it might faulty, but the
investigation has not revealed a fault. That same investigation has
unambiguously shown that GG makes the mistakes.
Whom have you persuaded of that conclusion?
Anyone who is not blind, and who can see the difference between the
raw message as received (as displayed, on request, by Google Groups),
and how Google Groups routinely displays the message. You didn't
really look at those, did you? Should I look up the links (which I
already posted)?
"Routinely" is simply false. Never before have accented letters turned
into ccyrillic or Hebrew.
OK, wrong choice of word. What I meant is the normal display which GG
normally presents to users, other than the display that if offered
when users explicitly ask for the message as Google in fact received
it from the Usenet network.
I'll look up the links and present them again in a next message.
This is what the antiquated program I use, Agent 1.93, actually sent
on my behalf, so this is also what Google Groups (as it itself shows
and thereby admits) has received:
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!original/sci.lang/ltdKYlcevwY/MuthmjmbAwAJ
What you see it what you get: valid ISO-8859-1, nothing outside that
scope, ISO-8859-1 as announced in the header, and as displayed. Skip
to just under "Testing accented letters, encoded in Latin-1,
ISO8859-1, Windows" [...] to see it.
And this is what Google Group shows in the normal, regular, every day,
day to day, common display for non-suspecting users:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/sci.lang/ltdKYlcevwY/MuthmjmbAwAJ
Cyrillic. And that's wrong. A bug, by GG, not by Agent, not by me.
QED.
And this the proof for the Hebrew case:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/sci.lang/ltdKYlcevwY/gUQ26QC_AwAJ
vs.
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!original/sci.lang/ltdKYlcevwY/gUQ26QC_AwAJ
Proof of the erratic behaviour:
This
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!original/sci.lang/ltdKYlcevwY/y36C3Ei_AwAJ
is NOT mangled into Russian of Hebrew, but remains broken Portuguese:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/sci.lang/ltdKYlcevwY/y36C3Ei_AwAJ
even though the situation is the same.
So GG is trying to be smart and human-like, by guessing what the
sender meant, but it fails. Much better to do what the header says.
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Ruud Harmsen, http://rudhar.com