Idiocy

[steveski]

I had antibac handwash on my shopping list which I buy regularly but
infrequently.

Could I find any in all of the shops and supermarkets I tried? No chance.

All ANTIBACTERIAL handwash had been bought by idiots and sheeple to wash
their hands against a VIRAL disease . . .

Sheesh!

<mini rant over>

[Mike]

Post by steveski
I had antibac handwash on my shopping list which I buy regularly but
infrequently.
Could I find any in all of the shops and supermarkets I tried? No chance.
All ANTIBACTERIAL handwash had been bought by idiots and sheeple to wash
their hands against a VIRAL disease . . .
Sheesh!
<mini rant over>

Thoughts of streamlining the gene pool come to mind...

[Vicky Ayech]

Post by Mike

Post by steveski
I had antibac handwash on my shopping list which I buy regularly but
infrequently.
Could I find any in all of the shops and supermarkets I tried? No chance.
All ANTIBACTERIAL handwash had been bought by idiots and sheeple to wash
their hands against a VIRAL disease . . .
Sheesh!
<mini rant over>

Thoughts of streamlining the gene pool come to mind...

The people dying are old people. We have too many of those and that is
a problem, bed blockers, use resources of the NHS etc. B suggested the
virus was released to solve this....

[Flop]

Post by Vicky Ayech

Post by Mike

Post by steveski
I had antibac handwash on my shopping list which I buy regularly but
infrequently.
Could I find any in all of the shops and supermarkets I tried? No chance.
All ANTIBACTERIAL handwash had been bought by idiots and sheeple to wash
their hands against a VIRAL disease . . .
Sheesh!
<mini rant over>

Thoughts of streamlining the gene pool come to mind...

The people dying are old people. We have too many of those and that is
a problem, bed blockers, use resources of the NHS etc. B suggested the
virus was released to solve this....

Perhaps God is threatening us if we dont solve Climate Change and
destroy His work.

[Penny]

On Sat, 7 Mar 2020 09:20:18 +0000, Flop <***@flop.knot.me.uk> scrawled in
the dust...

Post by Flop

Post by Vicky Ayech

Post by Mike
Thoughts of streamlining the gene pool come to mind...

The people dying are old people. We have too many of those and that is
a problem, bed blockers, use resources of the NHS etc. B suggested the
virus was released to solve this....

Perhaps God is threatening us if we dont solve Climate Change and
destroy His work.

I am reminded of the "Game of Life" which I think I first met as a pencil
and graph-paper thing, probably from New Scientist.
It was preinstalled on our first computer and I subsequently typed in the
code to run it on another one.

Rules
You seed your block of squares with people (dots).
Any dot with 0 or 1 immediately adjacent neighbours dies from isolation
Any dot with 4 or more immediately adjacent neighbours dies of overcrowding
Any square with 3 immediately adjacent neighbours gains a dot
So any dot with 2 or 3 neighbours stays alive.

Depending on the original set-up the patterns move and change across the
paper (screen) with each generation or stay in the same place 'blinking' in
similar patterns.

<https://twitter.com/lorenschmidt/status/1046815679419232258/photo/1>

And then there was Sprouts... which I'm not going to remind myself about
now because I have things to do.

[Flop]

Post by Penny
the dust...

Post by Flop

Post by Vicky Ayech

Post by Mike
Thoughts of streamlining the gene pool come to mind...

The people dying are old people. We have too many of those and that is
a problem, bed blockers, use resources of the NHS etc. B suggested the
virus was released to solve this....

Perhaps God is threatening us if we dont solve Climate Change and
destroy His work.

I am reminded of the "Game of Life" which I think I first met as a pencil
and graph-paper thing, probably from New Scientist.
It was preinstalled on our first computer and I subsequently typed in the
code to run it on another one.
Rules
You seed your block of squares with people (dots).
Any dot with 0 or 1 immediately adjacent neighbours dies from isolation
Any dot with 4 or more immediately adjacent neighbours dies of overcrowding
Any square with 3 immediately adjacent neighbours gains a dot
So any dot with 2 or 3 neighbours stays alive.
Depending on the original set-up the patterns move and change across the
paper (screen) with each generation or stay in the same place 'blinking' in
similar patterns.
<https://twitter.com/lorenschmidt/status/1046815679419232258/photo/1>
And then there was Sprouts... which I'm not going to remind myself about
now because I have things to do.

Great fun trying to generate a start pattern with the longest life:


https://playgameoflife.com/

Beware....it can be addictive :-)

[Penny]

On Sat, 7 Mar 2020 13:02:43 +0000, Flop <***@flop.knot.me.uk> scrawled in
the dust...

Post by Flop

Post by Penny
I am reminded of the "Game of Life"
Rules
You seed your block of squares with people (dots).
Any dot with 0 or 1 immediately adjacent neighbours dies from isolation
Any dot with 4 or more immediately adjacent neighbours dies of overcrowding
Any square with 3 immediately adjacent neighbours gains a dot
So any dot with 2 or 3 neighbours stays alive.
Depending on the original set-up the patterns move and change across the
paper (screen) with each generation or stay in the same place 'blinking' in
similar patterns.
<https://twitter.com/lorenschmidt/status/1046815679419232258/photo/1>
And then there was Sprouts... which I'm not going to remind myself about
now because I have things to do.

I made one which only lasted 3 iterations and then a rather pleasing
checkered triangle which went on moving for about 100, looking rather like
a butterfly before stopping in 7 static groups in a butterfly-like array :)

Post by Flop
https://playgameoflife.com/
Beware....it can be addictive :-)

and I did say I had things to do...

[Clive Arthur]

On 07/03/2020 12:46, Penny wrote:
<snip>

Post by Penny
I am reminded of the "Game of Life" which I think I first met as a pencil
and graph-paper thing, probably from New Scientist.
It was preinstalled on our first computer and I subsequently typed in the
code to run it on another one.

Langton's ant is even simpler. Make a grid of squares in any
arrangement of black and white. An ant is placed somewhere. If the
square it's on is black, it turns 90' right, flips the square colour and
moves forward. If it's white, 90' left, flip the colour and move
forward. And so on.

[Rosalind Mitchell]

Post by Clive Arthur
<snip>

Post by Penny
I am reminded of the "Game of Life" which I think I first met as a
pencil and graph-paper thing, probably from New Scientist.
It was preinstalled on our first computer and I subsequently typed in
the code to run it on another one.

Langton's ant is even simpler. Make a grid of squares in any
arrangement of black and white. An ant is placed somewhere. If the
square it's on is black, it turns 90' right, flips the square colour and
moves forward. If it's white, 90' left, flip the colour and move
forward. And so on.

You need to be very patient to stick at it until something interesting
happens.

R

[Rosalind Mitchell]

Post by Mike

Post by steveski
I had antibac handwash on my shopping list which I buy regularly but
infrequently.
Could I find any in all of the shops and supermarkets I tried? No chance.
All ANTIBACTERIAL handwash had been bought by idiots and sheeple to
wash their hands against a VIRAL disease . . .
Sheesh!
<mini rant over>

Thoughts of streamlining the gene pool come to mind...

The people dying are old people. We have too many of those and that is a
problem, bed blockers, use resources of the NHS etc. B suggested the
virus was released to solve this....

It is also likely to affect Brexit voters disproportionately. Just saying.

R

[steveski]

Post by Rosalind Mitchell

Post by Vicky Ayech

Post by Mike

Post by steveski
I had antibac handwash on my shopping list which I buy regularly but
infrequently.
Could I find any in all of the shops and supermarkets I tried? No chance.
All ANTIBACTERIAL handwash had been bought by idiots and sheeple to
wash their hands against a VIRAL disease . . .
Sheesh!
<mini rant over>

Thoughts of streamlining the gene pool come to mind...

The people dying are old people. We have too many of those and that is
a problem, bed blockers, use resources of the NHS etc. B suggested the
virus was released to solve this....

It is also likely to affect Brexit voters disproportionately. Just saying.

Tea on monitor, Rosie :-)

[BrritSki]

Post by Rosalind Mitchell

Post by Mike

Post by steveski
I had antibac handwash on my shopping list which I buy regularly but
infrequently.
Could I find any in all of the shops and supermarkets I tried? No chance.
All ANTIBACTERIAL handwash had been bought by idiots and sheeple to
wash their hands against a VIRAL disease . . .
Sheesh!
<mini rant over>

Thoughts of streamlining the gene pool come to mind...

The people dying are old people. We have too many of those and that is a
problem, bed blockers, use resources of the NHS etc. B suggested the
virus was released to solve this....

It is also likely to affect Brexit voters disproportionately. Just saying.

I suggested it was all a vicious plot against them errm us errm me days
weeks ago :)

[Sam Plusnet]

Post by BrritSki

Post by Rosalind Mitchell
It is also likely to affect Brexit voters disproportionately. Just saying.

I suggested it was all a vicious plot against them errm us errm me days
weeks ago  :)

Does this mean that Briitters and Rosie are on different sides of an
argument?

'Stonishing! Whatever next?

[BrritSki]

Post by Sam Plusnet

Post by BrritSki

Post by Rosalind Mitchell
It is also likely to affect Brexit voters disproportionately. Just saying.

I suggested it was all a vicious plot against them errm us errm me
days weeks ago  :)

Does this mean that Briitters and Rosie are on different sides of an
argument?
'Stonishing!  Whatever next?

I think in this instance we are on the SAME side of the argument :)

The coronavirus deaths are higher the older the population and polling
analysis certainly seems to show that the older you are the more likely
you are to vote Tory and/or Brexit (although what ACTUALLY happens in
the privacy of the voting booth is another matter as the "surprise"
results of the referendum and latest election have shown).

People who suggest another referendum now that "all the Brexit voters
have died off" forget that it is an ineluctable law that statistically
people's politics move to the right as they age, so as the "aged" cohort
is the fastest growing, in fact it is more likely that the Brexit
majority would be higher :/

This perhaps won't happen with an unusual one-off (we hope) event like
coronavirus, but it doesn't look like there'll be any elections or
referenda soon to test the theory. Be thankful for small mercies...

[Sam Plusnet]

Post by BrritSki
People who suggest another referendum now that "all the Brexit voters
have died off" forget that it is an ineluctable law that statistically
people's politics move to the right as they age, so as the "aged" cohort
is the fastest growing, in fact it is more likely that the Brexit
majority would be higher  :/

Reminds me of a complaint about the introduction of decimal coinage in
(roughly) 1970.
"It's a disgrace! They should have waited until us old ones have died
before doing something like this!"

[Rosalind Mitchell]

Post by Sam Plusnet

Post by BrritSki
People who suggest another referendum now that "all the Brexit voters
have died off" forget that it is an ineluctable law that statistically
people's politics move to the right as they age, so as the "aged"
cohort is the fastest growing, in fact it is more likely that the
Brexit majority would be higher  :/

Reminds me of a complaint about the introduction of decimal coinage in
(roughly) 1970.
"It's a disgrace! They should have waited until us old ones have died
before doing something like this!"

They got their revenge by digging in against metrication.

When I was actively bowling a few years ago one of the younger players
was being marked by one of the oldies. "Yard out!" called the marker. The
youngster turned to me and said "what's a yard?"

I get annoyed by, for example, supermarket own-brand coffee being sold in
bags of 227g "just because", when furrin brands like Lavazza come in a
more sensible 250g. But that's not as surreal as the supermarket meat
labels with cooking instructions that say daft things like "30 minutes
per 454g".

R

[Clive Arthur]

Post by steveski
I had antibac handwash on my shopping list which I buy regularly but
infrequently.
Could I find any in all of the shops and supermarkets I tried? No chance.
All ANTIBACTERIAL handwash had been bought by idiots and sheeple to wash
their hands against a VIRAL disease . . .
Sheesh!
<mini rant over>

They've been advised to wash their hands, so have bought some handwash.
Antibacterial handwash is no better than soap for killing bacteria
anyway, but having 'special' stuff acts as a reminder

[Rosalind Mitchell]

Post by steveski
I had antibac handwash on my shopping list which I buy regularly but
infrequently.
Could I find any in all of the shops and supermarkets I tried? No chance.
All ANTIBACTERIAL handwash had been bought by idiots and sheeple to wash
their hands against a VIRAL disease . . .
Sheesh!
<mini rant over>

Feeling bitter, are we? :)

R

[steveski]

Post by Rosalind Mitchell

Post by steveski
I had antibac handwash on my shopping list which I buy regularly but
infrequently.
Could I find any in all of the shops and supermarkets I tried? No chance.
All ANTIBACTERIAL handwash had been bought by idiots and sheeple to
wash their hands against a VIRAL disease . . .
Sheesh!
<mini rant over>

Feeling bitter, are we? :)

No, just vaguely disappointed. :-)

[steve hague]

Post by steveski

Post by Rosalind Mitchell

Post by steveski
I had antibac handwash on my shopping list which I buy regularly but
infrequently.
Could I find any in all of the shops and supermarkets I tried? No chance.
All ANTIBACTERIAL handwash had been bought by idiots and sheeple to
wash their hands against a VIRAL disease . . .
Sheesh!
<mini rant over>

Feeling bitter, are we? :)

No, just vaguely disappointed. :-)

My wife buys antibac hand gel, but I usually just use soap and water. I
particularly like Imperial Leather. I wonder why it's called that.
Steve

[Vicky Ayech]

On Sat, 7 Mar 2020 08:40:34 +0000, steve hague

Post by steve hague

Post by steveski

Post by Rosalind Mitchell

Post by steveski
I had antibac handwash on my shopping list which I buy regularly but
infrequently.
Could I find any in all of the shops and supermarkets I tried? No chance.
All ANTIBACTERIAL handwash had been bought by idiots and sheeple to
wash their hands against a VIRAL disease . . .
Sheesh!
<mini rant over>

Feeling bitter, are we? :)

No, just vaguely disappointed. :-)

My wife buys antibac hand gel, but I usually just use soap and water. I
particularly like Imperial Leather. I wonder why it's called that.
Steve

B got a pack of antibacterial soap bars. Not recently, I tried one
today and they smell very nice. Does hair washing too.

[Chris McMillan]

Post by steve hague

Post by steveski

Post by Rosalind Mitchell

Post by steveski
I had antibac handwash on my shopping list which I buy regularly but
infrequently.
Could I find any in all of the shops and supermarkets I tried? No chance.
All ANTIBACTERIAL handwash had been bought by idiots and sheeple to
wash their hands against a VIRAL disease . . .
Sheesh!
<mini rant over>

Feeling bitter, are we? :)

No, just vaguely disappointed. :-)

My wife buys antibac hand gel, but I usually just use soap and water. I
particularly like Imperial Leather. I wonder why it's called that.
Steve

Don’t tell anyone baby wipes are antibac too. I use them for daily hearing
aid tubes leaning. Non-perfumed too.

Sincerely Chris

[SODAM]

Post by Chris McMillan

Post by steve hague

Post by steveski

Post by Rosalind Mitchell

Post by steveski
I had antibac handwash on my shopping list which I buy regularly but
infrequently.
Could I find any in all of the shops and supermarkets I tried? No chance.
All ANTIBACTERIAL handwash had been bought by idiots and sheeple to
wash their hands against a VIRAL disease . . .
Sheesh!
<mini rant over>

Feeling bitter, are we? :)

No, just vaguely disappointed. :-)

My wife buys antibac hand gel, but I usually just use soap and water. I
particularly like Imperial Leather. I wonder why it's called that.
Steve

Don’t tell anyone baby wipes are antibac too. I use them for daily hearing
aid tubes leaning. Non-perfumed too.

Are they leftish leaning or rightly inclined?

[Mike]

Post by SODAM

Post by Chris McMillan

Post by steve hague

Post by steveski

Post by Rosalind Mitchell

Post by steveski
I had antibac handwash on my shopping list which I buy regularly but
infrequently.
Could I find any in all of the shops and supermarkets I tried? No chance.
All ANTIBACTERIAL handwash had been bought by idiots and sheeple to
wash their hands against a VIRAL disease . . .
Sheesh!
<mini rant over>

Feeling bitter, are we? :)

No, just vaguely disappointed. :-)

My wife buys antibac hand gel, but I usually just use soap and water. I
particularly like Imperial Leather. I wonder why it's called that.
Steve

Don’t tell anyone baby wipes are antibac too. I use them for daily hearing
aid tubes leaning. Non-perfumed too.

Are they leftish leaning or rightly inclined?

;-)))

[Chris McMillan]

Post by SODAM

Post by Chris McMillan

Post by steve hague

Post by steveski

Post by Rosalind Mitchell

Post by steveski
I had antibac handwash on my shopping list which I buy regularly but
infrequently.
Could I find any in all of the shops and supermarkets I tried? No chance.
All ANTIBACTERIAL handwash had been bought by idiots and sheeple to
wash their hands against a VIRAL disease . . .
Sheesh!
<mini rant over>

Feeling bitter, are we? :)

No, just vaguely disappointed. :-)

My wife buys antibac hand gel, but I usually just use soap and water. I
particularly like Imperial Leather. I wonder why it's called that.
Steve

Don’t tell anyone baby wipes are antibac too. I use them for daily hearing
aid tubes leaning. Non-perfumed too.

Are they leftish leaning or rightly inclined?

LOL.

Sincerely Chris

[Vicky Ayech]

On Mon, 09 Mar 2020 15:43:33 GMT, Chris McMillan
.

Don’t tell anyone baby wipes are antibac too. I use them for daily hearing
aid tubes leaning. Non-perfumed too.
Sincerely Chris

MTAAW!

[b***@gmail.com]

Post by steveski
I had antibac handwash on my shopping list which I buy regularly but
infrequently.
Could I find any in all of the shops and supermarkets I tried? No chance.
All ANTIBACTERIAL handwash had been bought by idiots and sheeple to wash
their hands against a VIRAL disease . . .
Sheesh!
<mini rant over>

Except that high alcohol content hand sanitizers DO kill a number of viruses, including the flu virus. Which IS helpful against COVID-19 because the last thing you want is to to be immuno-compromised by getting flu...and then getting COVID-19, because that would substantially increase the severity of COVID-19 and decrease your chance of survival.

And in general hand-washing IS good advice, in whatever form it may come (there is of course a hierarchy of efficacy).

So you seem to be railing against people doing broadly the right thing, at the onset of a global pandemic, and calling them idiots. I think that says more about you than it does about them.

[BrritSki]

Post by b***@gmail.com

Post by steveski
I had antibac handwash on my shopping list which I buy regularly but
infrequently.
Could I find any in all of the shops and supermarkets I tried? No chance.
All ANTIBACTERIAL handwash had been bought by idiots and sheeple to wash
their hands against a VIRAL disease . . .
Sheesh!
<mini rant over>

Except that high alcohol content hand sanitizers DO kill a number of viruses, including the flu virus. Which IS helpful against COVID-19 because the last thing you want is to to be immuno-compromised by getting flu...and then getting COVID-19, because that would substantially increase the severity of COVID-19 and decrease your chance of survival.
And in general hand-washing IS good advice, in whatever form it may come (there is of course a hierarchy of efficacy).
So you seem to be railing against people doing broadly the right thing, at the onset of a global pandemic, and calling them idiots. I think that says more about you than it does about them.

I think brother Steve was distinguishing between general ANTIBACTERIAL
handwashes and those containing a high alcohol content. The former, if
alcohol free or of a low alcohol %age, are not much use against VIRAL
diseases...

So you're both right :/

[b***@gmail.com]

Post by BrritSki

Post by b***@gmail.com
And in general hand-washing IS good advice, in whatever form it may come (there is of course a hierarchy of efficacy).
So you seem to be railing against people doing broadly the right thing, at the onset of a global pandemic, and calling them idiots. I think that says more about you than it does about them.

I think brother Steve was distinguishing between general ANTIBACTERIAL
handwashes and those containing a high alcohol content. The former, if
alcohol free or of a low alcohol %age, are not much use against VIRAL
diseases...

Normal, old-fashioned soap isn't anti-viral either, yet still the single best course of action any of us can take.

Post by BrritSki
So you're both right :/

I think it's possible to be right without calling people idiots for doing the right thing.

[BrritSki]

Post by b***@gmail.com

Post by BrritSki

Post by b***@gmail.com
And in general hand-washing IS good advice, in whatever form it may come (there is of course a hierarchy of efficacy).
So you seem to be railing against people doing broadly the right thing, at the onset of a global pandemic, and calling them idiots. I think that says more about you than it does about them.

I think brother Steve was distinguishing between general ANTIBACTERIAL
handwashes and those containing a high alcohol content. The former, if
alcohol free or of a low alcohol %age, are not much use against VIRAL
diseases...

Normal, old-fashioned soap isn't anti-viral either, yet still the single best course of action any of us can take.

But AIUI it's the mechanical action for 20 seconds which is what is
effective, not the soap. Low alcohol handwashes do NOT have the same
effect, even if you massage your hands for 20 seconds because it's not
being flushed away.

Post by b***@gmail.com

Post by BrritSki
So you're both right :/

I think it's possible to be right without calling people idiots for doing the right thing.

But they're not doing the right thing are they if they think that an
ANTIBACTERIAL handwash will help and are panic buying it ?

And there doesn't seem to be much difference between generally calling
such people idiots and saying to a respected umrat that "I think that
says more about you than it does about them". :/

YMMV, that's all from me on the subject...

[John Ashby]

Post by BrritSki

Post by b***@gmail.com

Post by BrritSki

Post by b***@gmail.com
And in general hand-washing IS good advice, in whatever form it may
come (there is of course a hierarchy of efficacy).
So you seem to be railing against people doing broadly the right
thing, at the onset of a global pandemic, and calling them idiots.
I think that says more about you than it does about them.

I think brother Steve was distinguishing between general ANTIBACTERIAL
handwashes and those containing a high alcohol content. The former, if
alcohol free or of a low alcohol %age, are not much use against VIRAL
diseases...

Normal, old-fashioned soap isn't anti-viral either, yet still the
single best course of action any of us can take.

But AIUI it's the mechanical action for 20 seconds which is what is
effective, not the soap. Low alcohol handwashes do NOT have the same
effect, even if you massage your hands for 20 seconds because it's not
being flushed away.

Post by b***@gmail.com

Post by BrritSki
So you're both right :/

I think it's possible to be right without calling people idiots for
doing the right thing.

But they're not doing the right thing are they if they think that an
ANTIBACTERIAL handwash will help and are panic buying it ?
And there doesn't seem to be much difference between generally calling
such people idiots and saying to a respected umrat that "I think that
says more about you than it does about them".  :/
YMMV, that's all from me on the subject...

If we're not careful umra will become a *real* newsgroup, with cliques,
trolls, flame wars, hall monitors, gangf**ks, usw, usw.

john

[steveski]

Post by BrritSki

Post by b***@gmail.com

Post by BrritSki

Post by b***@gmail.com
And in general hand-washing IS good advice, in whatever form it may
come (there is of course a hierarchy of efficacy).
So you seem to be railing against people doing broadly the right
thing, at the onset of a global pandemic, and calling them idiots. I
think that says more about you than it does about them.

I think brother Steve was distinguishing between general ANTIBACTERIAL
handwashes and those containing a high alcohol content. The former, if
alcohol free or of a low alcohol %age, are not much use against VIRAL
diseases...

Normal, old-fashioned soap isn't anti-viral either, yet still the
single best course of action any of us can take.

But AIUI it's the mechanical action for 20 seconds which is what is
effective, not the soap. Low alcohol handwashes do NOT have the same
effect, even if you massage your hands for 20 seconds because it's not
being flushed away.

Post by b***@gmail.com

Post by BrritSki
So you're both right :/

I think it's possible to be right without calling people idiots for
doing the right thing.

But they're not doing the right thing are they if they think that an
ANTIBACTERIAL handwash will help and are panic buying it ?
And there doesn't seem to be much difference between generally calling
such people idiots and saying to a respected umrat that "I think that
says more about you than it does about them". :/
YMMV, that's all from me on the subject...

Thanks for that BrritSki - I think both sets of points have validity to
be teased out.

[Chris J Dixon]

Post by BrritSki
But AIUI it's the mechanical action for 20 seconds which is what is
effective, not the soap. Low alcohol handwashes do NOT have the same
effect, even if you massage your hands for 20 seconds because it's not
being flushed away.

One aspect that doesn't seem to be emphasised is dealing with
manual taps. Many folk will turn on the tap, do the prescribed
lengthy and thorough wash, then turn off the tap, picking up once
again the contamination you have just deposited on it.

Chris

[Joe Kerr]

Post by Chris J Dixon

Post by BrritSki
But AIUI it's the mechanical action for 20 seconds which is what is
effective, not the soap. Low alcohol handwashes do NOT have the same
effect, even if you massage your hands for 20 seconds because it's not
being flushed away.

One aspect that doesn't seem to be emphasised is dealing with
manual taps. Many folk will turn on the tap, do the prescribed
lengthy and thorough wash, then turn off the tap, picking up once
again the contamination you have just deposited on it.
Chris

Having just been shopping[1] and realised that I have handled a trolley,
products that may have been handled by others, products I handled and
put back, shopping bags, the car, car and house keys, door handles,
fridge, freezer and kitchen cupboards most of which I will handle again
regularly is there really any point in washing my hands (using the tap
and washing up liquid bottle that I also touched)? It might be of
greater benefit if I was using public transport, dealing with customers
or something of that benefit.

[1]Empty shelves for rice, bread flour, Paracetamol and frozen fish. Low
stock of pasta, chicken and soap. Pet food fully stocked.

[BrritSki]

Post by Joe Kerr
[1]Empty shelves for rice, bread flour, Paracetamol and frozen fish. Low
stock of pasta, chicken and soap. Pet food fully stocked.

Poor strategy. Keep your pets fat - you might need to eat them.

[Sally Thompson]

Post by BrritSki

Post by Joe Kerr
[1]Empty shelves for rice, bread flour, Paracetamol and frozen fish. Low
stock of pasta, chicken and soap. Pet food fully stocked.

Poor strategy. Keep your pets fat - you might need to eat them.

BTN!

[Min]

Post by BrritSki

Post by Joe Kerr
[1]Empty shelves for rice, bread flour, Paracetamol and frozen fish. Low
stock of pasta, chicken and soap. Pet food fully stocked.

Poor strategy. Keep your pets fat - you might need to eat them.

BTN!

Seconded!

[Vicky Ayech]

On Sun, 8 Mar 2020 17:46:58 -0700 (PDT), Min

Post by Min

Post by BrritSki

Post by Joe Kerr
[1]Empty shelves for rice, bread flour, Paracetamol and frozen fish. Low
stock of pasta, chicken and soap. Pet food fully stocked.

Poor strategy. Keep your pets fat - you might need to eat them.

BTN!

Seconded!

It is much more likely that Harryet Pottercat will eventually eat us.
And Bobby the dog. She loves him but will look on it as grokking.
Appreciating.

[Sid Nuncius]

Post by Min

Post by BrritSki

Post by Joe Kerr
[1]Empty shelves for rice, bread flour, Paracetamol and frozen fish. Low
stock of pasta, chicken and soap. Pet food fully stocked.

Poor strategy. Keep your pets fat - you might need to eat them.

BTN!

Seconded!

Yes.

[Sally Thompson]

Post by Min

Post by BrritSki

Post by Joe Kerr
[1]Empty shelves for rice, bread flour, Paracetamol and frozen fish. Low
stock of pasta, chicken and soap. Pet food fully stocked.

Poor strategy. Keep your pets fat - you might need to eat them.

BTN!

Seconded!

Yes.

Hooray! I thought you must be sleeping on the job for a moment there Sid.

[Sid Nuncius]

Post by Sally Thompson
Hooray! I thought you must be sleeping on the job for a moment there Sid.

Circumstances meant that I almost three hundred posts in arrears, I'm
afraid. I caught up last night. I don't think I have missed any other
BTNs, but please let me know if there are any outstanding.

[Sally Thompson]

Post by Sid Nuncius

Post by Sally Thompson
Hooray! I thought you must be sleeping on the job for a moment there Sid.

Circumstances meant that I almost three hundred posts in arrears, I'm
afraid. I caught up last night. I don't think I have missed any other
BTNs, but please let me know if there are any outstanding.

Hope you're okay old bean.

[Serena Blanchflower]

Post by Sally Thompson

Post by Sid Nuncius

Post by Sally Thompson
Hooray! I thought you must be sleeping on the job for a moment there Sid.

Circumstances meant that I almost three hundred posts in arrears, I'm
afraid. I caught up last night. I don't think I have missed any other
BTNs, but please let me know if there are any outstanding.

Hope you're okay old bean.

<languid wave>

[Sid Nuncius]

Post by Serena Blanchflower

Post by Sally Thompson

Post by Sid Nuncius

Post by Sally Thompson
Hooray! I thought you must be sleeping on the job for a moment there Sid.

Circumstances meant that I almost three hundred posts in arrears, I'm
afraid.  I caught up last night.  I don't think I have missed any other
BTNs, but please let me know if there are any outstanding.

Hope you're okay old bean.

<languid wave>

Thanks. I KBO.

[Mike]

Post by Sid Nuncius

Post by Serena Blanchflower

Post by Sally Thompson

Post by Sid Nuncius

Post by Sally Thompson
Hooray! I thought you must be sleeping on the job for a moment there Sid.

Circumstances meant that I almost three hundred posts in arrears, I'm
afraid.  I caught up last night.  I don't think I have missed any other
BTNs, but please let me know if there are any outstanding.

Hope you're okay old bean.

<languid wave>

Thanks. I KBO.

You be careful about those Victory V signs you keep making Sid, Matron
might mis-understand!

[Rosalind Mitchell]

Post by Mike

Post by Sid Nuncius

Post by Serena Blanchflower

Post by Sally Thompson

Post by Sid Nuncius

Post by Sally Thompson
Hooray! I thought you must be sleeping on the job for a moment there Sid.

Circumstances meant that I almost three hundred posts in arrears,
I'm afraid.  I caught up last night.  I don't think I have missed
any other BTNs, but please let me know if there are any outstanding.

Hope you're okay old bean.

<languid wave>

Thanks. I KBO.

You be careful about those Victory V signs you keep making Sid, Matron
might mis-understand!

Aren't they full of toluene or some other carcinogen? My dad kippered his
lungs to an early death but his Victory V habit didn't help.

R

[BrritSki]

Post by Serena Blanchflower

Post by Sally Thompson

Post by Sid Nuncius

Post by Sally Thompson
Hooray! I thought you must be sleeping on the job for a moment there Sid.

Circumstances meant that I almost three hundred posts in arrears, I'm
afraid.  I caught up last night.  I don't think I have missed any other
BTNs, but please let me know if there are any outstanding.

Hope you're okay old bean.

<languid wave>

Thanks.  I KBO.

Legs a'KBO ?

[Mike]

Post by BrritSki

Post by Serena Blanchflower

Post by Sally Thompson

Post by Sid Nuncius

Post by Sally Thompson
Hooray! I thought you must be sleeping on the job for a moment there Sid.

Circumstances meant that I almost three hundred posts in arrears, I'm
afraid.  I caught up last night.  I don't think I have missed any other
BTNs, but please let me know if there are any outstanding.

Hope you're okay old bean.

<languid wave>

Thanks.  I KBO.

Legs a'KBO ?

Winston Churchill: ‘Keep Buggering On’.

[BrritSki]

Post by Mike

Post by BrritSki

Thanks.  I KBO.

Legs a'KBO ?

Winston Churchill: ‘Keep Buggering On’.

Yes, I know, it was simply a riff on a previous thread.

NAAUPINH or something <sigh>

[Mike]

Post by Sally Thompson

Post by Min

Post by BrritSki

Post by Joe Kerr
[1]Empty shelves for rice, bread flour, Paracetamol and frozen fish. Low
stock of pasta, chicken and soap. Pet food fully stocked.

Poor strategy. Keep your pets fat - you might need to eat them.

BTN!

Seconded!

Yes.

Hooray! I thought you must be sleeping on the job for a moment there Sid.

‘Sokay, he had to vet the suggestion first.

[BrritSki]

Post by Min

Post by Joe Kerr
[1]Empty shelves for rice, bread flour, Paracetamol and frozen fish. Low
stock of pasta, chicken and soap. Pet food fully stocked.

Poor strategy.  Keep your pets fat - you might need to eat them.

BTN!

Seconded!

Yes.

Hurrah ! Thankyou Sally and Min, and neoBTM of course :)

[Sam Plusnet]

Post by Joe Kerr
[1]Empty shelves for rice, bread flour, Paracetamol and frozen fish.
Low stock of pasta, chicken and soap. Pet food fully stocked.

Poor strategy.  Keep your pets fat - you might need to eat them.

Newspaper reports suggest the reverse is more common.

[Jim Easterbrook]

Post by Sam Plusnet

Post by Joe Kerr
[1]Empty shelves for rice, bread flour, Paracetamol and frozen fish.
Low stock of pasta, chicken and soap. Pet food fully stocked.

Poor strategy.  Keep your pets fat - you might need to eat them.

Newspaper reports suggest the reverse is more common.

Are you suggesting that newspapers would be more likely to report "dog
bites man" than "man bites dog"? This is contrary to received wisdom.

[Mike]

Post by Jim Easterbrook

Post by Sam Plusnet

Post by Joe Kerr
[1]Empty shelves for rice, bread flour, Paracetamol and frozen fish.
Low stock of pasta, chicken and soap. Pet food fully stocked.

Poor strategy.  Keep your pets fat - you might need to eat them.

Newspaper reports suggest the reverse is more common.

Are you suggesting that newspapers would be more likely to report "dog
bites man" than "man bites dog"? This is contrary to received wisdom.

Ifyou are a star, you may prefer to eat hamster.

[Rosalind Mitchell]

Post by Mike

Post by Jim Easterbrook

Post by Sam Plusnet

Post by Joe Kerr
[1]Empty shelves for rice, bread flour, Paracetamol and frozen fish.
Low stock of pasta, chicken and soap. Pet food fully stocked.

Poor strategy.  Keep your pets fat - you might need to eat them.

Newspaper reports suggest the reverse is more common.

Are you suggesting that newspapers would be more likely to report "dog
bites man" than "man bites dog"? This is contrary to received wisdom.

Ifyou are a star, you may prefer to eat hamster.

Not much meat on a hamster. Guinea pig is better.

R

[Sam Plusnet]

Post by Jim Easterbrook

Post by Sam Plusnet

Post by Joe Kerr
[1]Empty shelves for rice, bread flour, Paracetamol and frozen fish.
Low stock of pasta, chicken and soap. Pet food fully stocked.

Poor strategy.  Keep your pets fat - you might need to eat them.

Newspaper reports suggest the reverse is more common.

Are you suggesting that newspapers would be more likely to report "dog
bites man" than "man bites dog"? This is contrary to received wisdom.

Pet eats owner - one assumes _after_ owner has popped clogs.

[Mike]

Post by Sam Plusnet

Post by Jim Easterbrook

Post by Sam Plusnet

Post by Joe Kerr
[1]Empty shelves for rice, bread flour, Paracetamol and frozen fish.
Low stock of pasta, chicken and soap. Pet food fully stocked.

Poor strategy.  Keep your pets fat - you might need to eat them.

Newspaper reports suggest the reverse is more common.

Are you suggesting that newspapers would be more likely to report "dog
bites man" than "man bites dog"? This is contrary to received wisdom.

Pet eats owner - one assumes _after_ owner has popped clogs.

It would save on burial fees for Freddy Starr.

[steveski]

On Sat, 07 Mar 2020 06:24:37 -0800, benblaney wrote:

[]

Post by b***@gmail.com
Except that high alcohol content hand sanitizers DO kill a number of
viruses, including the flu virus. Which IS helpful against COVID-19
because the last thing you want is to to be immuno-compromised by
getting flu...and then getting COVID-19, because that would
substantially increase the severity of COVID-19 and decrease your chance
of survival.
And in general hand-washing IS good advice, in whatever form it may come
(there is of course a hierarchy of efficacy).
So you seem to be railing against people doing broadly the right thing,
at the onset of a global pandemic, and calling them idiots. I think
that says more about you than it does about them.

I don't unquestioningly follow what this or any other government says, I
engage my brain and exercise discretion which is why I used the
expression 'sheeple'.

People (including sheeple) should be practising good hygiene all the time
anyway, shouldn't they? Not just when there's a herd-mentality panic.

And I wasn't talking about the alcohol based ones - it's the barely
efficient 'everyday' handwashes as Brritters pointed out (another
respected umrat :-) ).

[Sid Nuncius]

Post by steveski
And I wasn't talking about the alcohol based ones - it's the barely
efficient 'everyday' handwashes as Brritters pointed out (another
respected umrat :-) ).

I visited a Learned Society Which Shall Remain Nameless this morning to
meet a friend who works there. She told me that there was a large
conference there yesterday and that proper hand sanitiser was
unavailable, so one of the admin staff got some "everyday" stuff and
added a load of vodka to it.

Efficient but very drying was friend's verdict.

[Sam Plusnet]

Post by Sid Nuncius

Post by steveski
And I wasn't talking about the alcohol based ones - it's the barely
efficient 'everyday' handwashes as Brritters pointed out (another
respected umrat  :-) ).

I visited a Learned Society Which Shall Remain Nameless this morning to
meet a friend who works there.  She told me that there was a large
conference there yesterday and that proper hand sanitiser was
unavailable, so one of the admin staff got some "everyday" stuff and
added a load of vodka to it.
Efficient but very drying was friend's verdict.

I would love to see that expense claim.

"Vodka - Hand drying for the use of"

[BrritSki]

Post by Sam Plusnet

Post by Sid Nuncius

Post by steveski
And I wasn't talking about the alcohol based ones - it's the barely
efficient 'everyday' handwashes as Brritters pointed out (another
respected umrat  :-) ).

I visited a Learned Society Which Shall Remain Nameless this morning
to meet a friend who works there.  She told me that there was a large
conference there yesterday and that proper hand sanitiser was
unavailable, so one of the admin staff got some "everyday" stuff and
added a load of vodka to it.
Efficient but very drying was friend's verdict.

I would love to see that expense claim.
"Vodka - Hand drying for the use of"

When we were still going to Naples (see later), we considered making
some hand gel from Aloe Vera [1] and the 96% pure alcohol that we use
for making 'cellos (umra passim).

[1] "Aloe Britters"

[Mike]

Post by Sam Plusnet

Post by Sid Nuncius

Post by steveski
And I wasn't talking about the alcohol based ones - it's the barely
efficient 'everyday' handwashes as Brritters pointed out (another
respected umrat  :-) ).

I visited a Learned Society Which Shall Remain Nameless this morning to
meet a friend who works there.  She told me that there was a large
conference there yesterday and that proper hand sanitiser was
unavailable, so one of the admin staff got some "everyday" stuff and
added a load of vodka to it.
Efficient but very drying was friend's verdict.

I would love to see that expense claim.
"Vodka - Hand drying for the use of"

Necessary after toiling all day cleaning out one’s moat y’know!

[carolet]

Post by Sid Nuncius

Post by steveski
And I wasn't talking about the alcohol based ones - it's the barely
efficient 'everyday' handwashes as Brritters pointed out (another
respected umrat  :-) ).

I visited a Learned Society Which Shall Remain Nameless this morning to
meet a friend who works there.  She told me that there was a large
conference there yesterday and that proper hand sanitiser was
unavailable, so one of the admin staff got some "everyday" stuff and
added a load of vodka to it.
Efficient but very drying was friend's verdict.

I understand that the alcohol has to be at least 60% for it to be
beneficial. That is a lot higher than in the bottle of vodka that I
have, and mixing it with hand sanitiser would bring down the
concentration even further.

[steveski]

Post by carolet

Post by Sid Nuncius

Post by steveski
And I wasn't talking about the alcohol based ones - it's the barely
efficient 'everyday' handwashes as Brritters pointed out (another
respected umrat  :-) ).

I visited a Learned Society Which Shall Remain Nameless this morning to
meet a friend who works there.  She told me that there was a large
conference there yesterday and that proper hand sanitiser was
unavailable, so one of the admin staff got some "everyday" stuff and
added a load of vodka to it.
Efficient but very drying was friend's verdict.

I understand that the alcohol has to be at least 60% for it to be
beneficial. That is a lot higher than in the bottle of vodka that I
have, and mixing it with hand sanitiser would bring down the
concentration even further.

I'd rather drink the vodka and then not give a damn if I had the virus or
not.

--
Steveski

[Sam Plusnet]

Post by steveski
I'd rather drink the vodka and then not give a damn if I had the virus or
not.

I'm not sure which I'd dislike most.

[Mike]

Post by Sam Plusnet

Post by steveski
I'd rather drink the vodka and then not give a damn if I had the virus or
not.

I'm not sure which I'd dislike most.

Don’t have vodka (or any other alcoholic drinking solution) but, I do have
a ‘stock’ of isopropyl alcohol (audio equipment for the cleaning of M’Lud),
would this be suited to use in cleansing wipes?

[Sam Plusnet]

Post by Mike

Post by Sam Plusnet

Post by steveski
I'd rather drink the vodka and then not give a damn if I had the virus or
not.

I'm not sure which I'd dislike most.

Don’t have vodka (or any other alcoholic drinking solution) but, I do have
a ‘stock’ of isopropyl alcohol (audio equipment for the cleaning of M’Lud),
would this be suited to use in cleansing wipes?

I don't have any isopropyl alcohol but do have some meths.
Not too sure I'd want to use that mind.

[steveski]

Post by Sam Plusnet

Post by Mike

Post by Sam Plusnet

Post by steveski
I'd rather drink the vodka and then not give a damn if I had the
virus or not.

I'm not sure which I'd dislike most.

Don’t have vodka (or any other alcoholic drinking solution) but, I do
have a ‘stock’ of isopropyl alcohol (audio equipment for the cleaning
of M’Lud),
would this be suited to use in cleansing wipes?

I don't have any isopropyl alcohol but do have some meths.
Not too sure I'd want to use that mind.

Why not? IMS is just ethyl alcohol (modern: ethanol) with a smidgeon of
methyl alcohol (methanol) to, theoretically, make it undrinkable (FCVO
'undrinkable' viz. 'meths drinkers' although the methanol will,
eventually, have seriously debilitating consequences).

Isopropyl alcohol (iso-propanol) is a three carbon saturated linear
molecule with the alcohol group attached to the centre carbon (hence
'iso'). This is very nasty stuff to ingest. [1]

[Sid Nuncius]

Post by steveski
Isopropyl alcohol (iso-propanol) is a three carbon saturated linear
molecule with the alcohol group attached to the centre carbon (hence
'iso'). This is very nasty stuff to ingest. [1]

A UIPAC nomenclature pedant writes: And hence the 2 in propan-2-ol[1].


[1]Back in the 80s, when I was asked if I could revive a school cassette
player[2]. I asked our lab technicians whether we had any isoproyl
alcohol and was handed a bottle labelled propan-2-ol with a look of
silent reproach.

[2] It was about to be thrown out and replaced at considerable expense.
As Head of Science, I was the general dogsbody for anything vaguely
scientific/technical, apparently. Fortunately, all it needed was a good
clean of the heads and rollers. Dead simple, but everyone was mightily
impressed.

[steve hague]

Post by Sid Nuncius

Post by steveski
Isopropyl alcohol (iso-propanol) is a three carbon saturated linear
molecule with the alcohol group attached to the centre carbon (hence
'iso'). This is very nasty stuff to ingest. [1]

A UIPAC nomenclature pedant writes: And hence the 2 in propan-2-ol[1].
[1]Back in the 80s, when I was asked if I could revive a school cassette
player[2].  I asked our lab technicians whether we had any isoproyl
alcohol and was handed a bottle labelled propan-2-ol with a look of
silent reproach.
[2] It was about to be thrown out and replaced at considerable expense.
As Head of Science, I was the general dogsbody for anything vaguely
scientific/technical, apparently.  Fortunately, all it needed was a good
clean of the heads and rollers.  Dead simple, but everyone was mightily
impressed.

I used to buy it in aerosol cans as IPA. I mostly used it for wot u sed,
but more with VHS machines than audio cassette players. Very useful stuff.
Steve

[Chris McMillan]

Post by steve hague

Post by Sid Nuncius

Post by steveski
Isopropyl alcohol (iso-propanol) is a three carbon saturated linear
molecule with the alcohol group attached to the centre carbon (hence
'iso'). This is very nasty stuff to ingest. [1]

A UIPAC nomenclature pedant writes: And hence the 2 in propan-2-ol[1].
[1]Back in the 80s, when I was asked if I could revive a school cassette
player[2].  I asked our lab technicians whether we had any isoproyl
alcohol and was handed a bottle labelled propan-2-ol with a look of
silent reproach.
[2] It was about to be thrown out and replaced at considerable expense.
As Head of Science, I was the general dogsbody for anything vaguely
scientific/technical, apparently.  Fortunately, all it needed was a good
clean of the heads and rollers.  Dead simple, but everyone was mightily
impressed.

I used to buy it in aerosol cans as IPA. I mostly used it for wot u sed,
but more with VHS machines than audio cassette players. Very useful stuff.
Steve

I think it might be one of McT’s favourite bits of repair kit. I have many
memories of him hunched over our bank of 10 CD duplicating players cleaning
them during long CD runs.

Sincerely Chris

[steve hague]

Post by Chris McMillan

Post by steve hague

Post by Sid Nuncius
silent reproach.
[2] It was about to be thrown out and replaced at considerable expense.
As Head of Science, I was the general dogsbody for anything vaguely
scientific/technical, apparently.  Fortunately, all it needed was a good
clean of the heads and rollers.  Dead simple, but everyone was mightily
impressed.

I used to buy it in aerosol cans as IPA. I mostly used it for wot u sed,
but more with VHS machines than audio cassette players. Very useful stuff.
Steve

I think it might be one of McT’s favourite bits of repair kit. I have many
memories of him hunched over our bank of 10 CD duplicating players cleaning
them during long CD runs.
Sincerely Chris

Fond memories?
Steve

[Chris McMillan]

Post by steve hague

Post by Chris McMillan

Post by steve hague

Post by Sid Nuncius
silent reproach.
[2] It was about to be thrown out and replaced at considerable expense.
As Head of Science, I was the general dogsbody for anything vaguely
scientific/technical, apparently.  Fortunately, all it needed was a good
clean of the heads and rollers.  Dead simple, but everyone was mightily
impressed.

I used to buy it in aerosol cans as IPA. I mostly used it for wot u sed,
but more with VHS machines than audio cassette players. Very useful stuff.
Steve

I think it might be one of McT’s favourite bits of repair kit. I have many
memories of him hunched over our bank of 10 CD duplicating players cleaning
them during long CD runs.
Sincerely Chris

Fond memories?
Steve

Shows what a twerp I am. It was a bank of cassette decks. The CDs came
later of course.

Sincerely Chris

[Clive Arthur]

Post by Mike

Post by Sam Plusnet

Post by steveski
I'd rather drink the vodka and then not give a damn if I had the virus or
not.

I'm not sure which I'd dislike most.

Don’t have vodka (or any other alcoholic drinking solution) but, I do have
a ‘stock’ of isopropyl alcohol (audio equipment for the cleaning of M’Lud),
would this be suited to use in cleansing wipes?

Yes, IPA aka isopropanol is perfect and is what is often used. You can
use it to wipe surfaces or your hands, and can dilute it with Aloe Vera
gel 2:1 for a better hand cleansing experience.

[Mike]

Post by Clive Arthur

Post by Mike

Post by Sam Plusnet

Post by steveski
I'd rather drink the vodka and then not give a damn if I had the virus or
not.

I'm not sure which I'd dislike most.

Don’t have vodka (or any other alcoholic drinking solution) but, I do have
a ‘stock’ of isopropyl alcohol (audio equipment for the cleaning of M’Lud),
would this be suited to use in cleansing wipes?

Yes, IPA aka isopropanol is perfect and is what is often used. You can
use it to wipe surfaces or your hands, and can dilute it with Aloe Vera
gel 2:1 for a better hand cleansing experience.

Ta muchly, is that 2 part IPA to 1 hello Vera?

[Clive Arthur]

Post by Mike

Post by Clive Arthur

Post by Mike

Post by Sam Plusnet

Post by steveski
I'd rather drink the vodka and then not give a damn if I had the virus or
not.

I'm not sure which I'd dislike most.

Don’t have vodka (or any other alcoholic drinking solution) but, I do have
a ‘stock’ of isopropyl alcohol (audio equipment for the cleaning of M’Lud),
would this be suited to use in cleansing wipes?

Yes, IPA aka isopropanol is perfect and is what is often used. You can
use it to wipe surfaces or your hands, and can dilute it with Aloe Vera
gel 2:1 for a better hand cleansing experience.

Ta muchly, is that 2 part IPA to 1 hello Vera?

Yes, the idea is to keep the alcohol content above about 60%. Bit like
my late (but well-preserved) father.