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If Renewables Are So Cheap Why Is Germany’s Electricity So Expensive?
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Chom Noamsky
2019-04-16 19:33:24 UTC
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The more renewables in the mix, the higher the price gets.

It is as irrefutable as gravity.

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“If renewables are so gosh-darn cheap, why does Germany now have the
highest electricity prices in Europe?” In fact, the average cost of
electricity is nearly 30 cents per kilowatt hour, almost three times
higher in Germany than it is in the United States.

https://www.americanexperiment.org/2018/11/renewables-cheap-germanys-electricity-expensive/
columbiaaccidentinvestigation
2019-04-16 20:27:10 UTC
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On Tuesday, April 16, 2019 at 12:33:29 PM UTC-7, Chom Noamsky wrote:"
If Renewables Are So Cheap Why Is Germany’s Electricity So Expensive?"

burden of nuclear weighing things down
JTEM is Remarkably Flexible
2019-04-16 23:05:30 UTC
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Post by Chom Noamsky
“If renewables are so gosh-darn cheap, why does Germany now have the
highest electricity prices in Europe?” In fact, the average cost of
electricity is nearly 30 cents per kilowatt hour, almost three times
higher in Germany than it is in the United States.
https://www.americanexperiment.org/2018/11/renewables-cheap-germanys-electricity-expensive/
Liar! Liar! Pants on fire!

: German consumers are paid to use electricity thanks to renewable energy

https://blueocean.net/german-consumers-paid-use-electricity-thanks-renewable-energy/

Wind & solar produce so much energy that Germany pays everyone to use
it!

Blast the A/C even when you're not home! Run the TV 24/7! Turn on all your
lights and never turn them off! You can finance that new car or dream
vacation just by using electricity in Germany!

...this is why all the so-called "Environmentalists" moved to Germany, btw,
Not only is it their renewable energy Utopia but they get paid to use up
energy!

I'm really surprised you didn't know this. Seriously, you should be embarrassed.





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Chom Noamsky
2019-04-17 05:18:56 UTC
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“If renewables are so gosh-darn cheap, why does Germany now have the
highest electricity prices in Europe?” In fact, the average cost of
electricity is nearly 30 cents per kilowatt hour, almost three times
higher in Germany than it is in the United States.
https://www.americanexperiment.org/2018/11/renewables-cheap-germanys-electricity-expensive/
Liar! Liar! Pants on fire!
: German consumers are paid to use electricity thanks to renewable energy
https://blueocean.net/german-consumers-paid-use-electricity-thanks-renewable-energy/
Wind & solar produce so much energy that Germany pays everyone to use
it!
Blast the A/C even when you're not home! Run the TV 24/7! Turn on all your
lights and never turn them off! You can finance that new car or dream
vacation just by using electricity in Germany!
...this is why all the so-called "Environmentalists" moved to Germany, btw,
Not only is it their renewable energy Utopia but they get paid to use up
energy!
I'm really surprised you didn't know this. Seriously, you should be embarrassed.
The hysterical thing is the loons were actually crowing about this at
one time, like it was an honest to god windfall of riches.

That's everything you need to know about their IQ scores.
Unum
2019-04-16 23:13:51 UTC
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Post by Chom Noamsky
The more renewables in the mix, the higher the price gets.
It is as irrefutable as gravity.
Another day, the same old crock of shit.
Post by Chom Noamsky
“If renewables are so gosh-darn cheap, why does Germany now have the highest
electricity prices in Europe?” In fact, the average cost of electricity is
nearly 30 cents per kilowatt hour, almost three times higher in Germany than
it is in the United States.
https://www.americanexperiment.org/2018/11/renewables-cheap-germanys-electricity-expensive/
Except that isn't the average cost of the actual electricity.

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Chom Noamsky
2019-04-17 05:14:17 UTC
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Post by Chom Noamsky
The more renewables in the mix, the higher the price gets.
It is as irrefutable as gravity.
Another day, the same old crock of shit.
Post by Chom Noamsky
“If renewables are so gosh-darn cheap, why does Germany now have the
highest electricity prices in Europe?” In fact, the average cost of
electricity is nearly 30 cents per kilowatt hour, almost three times
higher in Germany than it is in the United States.
https://www.americanexperiment.org/2018/11/renewables-cheap-germanys-electricity-expensive/
Except that isn't the average cost of the actual electricity.
It's all broken down in the article, yer boxed in worse than a cow
heading down the chute towards the captive bolt guy.
Unum
2019-04-17 16:06:23 UTC
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Post by Chom Noamsky
The more renewables in the mix, the higher the price gets.
It is as irrefutable as gravity.
Another day, the same old crock of shit.
Post by Chom Noamsky
“If renewables are so gosh-darn cheap, why does Germany now have the
highest electricity prices in Europe?” In fact, the average cost of
electricity is nearly 30 cents per kilowatt hour, almost three times higher
in Germany than it is in the United States.
https://www.americanexperiment.org/2018/11/renewables-cheap-germanys-electricity-expensive/
Except that isn't the average cost of the actual electricity.
It's all broken down in the article, yer boxed in worse than a cow heading
down the chute towards the captive bolt guy.
chumpsky is tooo stooopid to point it out?

The renewable energy surcharge is shown as 6.79 ct/kWh. The electricity
is about 14 ct/kWh, in line with the rest of Europe. But the average
electric bill is about 31 ct/kWh, so keep on running, boy!
Chom Noamsky
2019-04-17 16:23:12 UTC
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The more renewables in the mix, the higher the price gets.
It is as irrefutable as gravity.
Another day, the same old crock of shit.
Post by Chom Noamsky
“If renewables are so gosh-darn cheap, why does Germany now have the
highest electricity prices in Europe?” In fact, the average cost of
electricity is nearly 30 cents per kilowatt hour, almost three times
higher in Germany than it is in the United States.
https://www.americanexperiment.org/2018/11/renewables-cheap-germanys-electricity-expensive/
Except that isn't the average cost of the actual electricity.
It's all broken down in the article, yer boxed in worse than a cow
heading down the chute towards the captive bolt guy.
chumpsky is tooo stooopid to point it out?
The renewable energy surcharge is shown as 6.79 ct/kWh. The electricity
is about 14 ct/kWh, in line with the rest of Europe. But the average
electric bill is about 31 ct/kWh, so keep on running, boy!
Yer just confirmed my point, the cost of power is 6.79 ct/kWh higher
than it would be without renewables.

The goalposts you want are at the other end of the field.... bahahaha.
Unum
2019-04-17 19:28:12 UTC
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Post by Chom Noamsky
The more renewables in the mix, the higher the price gets.
It is as irrefutable as gravity.
Another day, the same old crock of shit.
Post by Chom Noamsky
“If renewables are so gosh-darn cheap, why does Germany now have the
highest electricity prices in Europe?” In fact, the average cost of
electricity is nearly 30 cents per kilowatt hour, almost three times
higher in Germany than it is in the United States.
https://www.americanexperiment.org/2018/11/renewables-cheap-germanys-electricity-expensive/
Except that isn't the average cost of the actual electricity.
It's all broken down in the article, yer boxed in worse than a cow heading
down the chute towards the captive bolt guy.
chumpsky is tooo stooopid to point it out?
The renewable energy surcharge is shown as 6.79 ct/kWh. The electricity
is about 14 ct/kWh, in line with the rest of Europe. But the average
electric bill is about 31 ct/kWh, so keep on running, boy!
Yer just confirmed my point, the cost of power is 6.79 ct/kWh higher than it
would be without renewables.
STILL lying? That's the residential electricity bill, not "the cost of power".
The goalposts you want are at the other end of the field.... bahahaha.
Keep on running for it, boy!

https://cleantechnica.com/2017/09/29/europe-providing-e112-billion-annually-fossil-fuel-subsidies/
JTEM is Remarkably Flexible
2019-04-17 19:45:35 UTC
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Keep on running for it, boy!
https://cleantechnica.com/2017/09/29/europe-providing-e112-billion-annually-fossil-fuel-subsidies/
"Not inventing yet another tax" hardly constitutes a subsidy, moron.






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Chom Noamsky
2019-04-17 19:49:47 UTC
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The more renewables in the mix, the higher the price gets.
It is as irrefutable as gravity.
Another day, the same old crock of shit.
Post by Chom Noamsky
“If renewables are so gosh-darn cheap, why does Germany now have
the highest electricity prices in Europe?” In fact, the average
cost of electricity is nearly 30 cents per kilowatt hour, almost
three times higher in Germany than it is in the United States.
https://www.americanexperiment.org/2018/11/renewables-cheap-germanys-electricity-expensive/
Except that isn't the average cost of the actual electricity.
It's all broken down in the article, yer boxed in worse than a cow
heading down the chute towards the captive bolt guy.
chumpsky is tooo stooopid to point it out?
The renewable energy surcharge is shown as 6.79 ct/kWh. The electricity
is about 14 ct/kWh, in line with the rest of Europe. But the average
electric bill is about 31 ct/kWh, so keep on running, boy!
Yer just confirmed my point, the cost of power is 6.79 ct/kWh higher
than it would be without renewables.
STILL lying? That's the residential electricity bill, not "the cost of power".
On what planet do people pay "the cost of power"?

Can't decide whether yer antics are laughable or merely pathetic.
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The goalposts you want are at the other end of the field.... bahahaha.
Keep on running for it, boy!
https://cleantechnica.com/2017/09/29/europe-providing-e112-billion-annually-fossil-fuel-subsidies/
"Renewable power (wind, solar) gets 72% of energy subsidies in the U.S."

https://www.fraserinstitute.org/blogs/renewable-power-wind-solar-gets-72-of-energy-subsidies-in-the-us

"Renewable energy sources received 25 times more in taxpayer subsidies
per energy unit produced than fossil fuels"

https://www.aei.org/publication/renewable-energy-sources-received-25-times-more-in-taxpayer-subsidies-per-energy-unit-produced-than-fossil-fuels-in-2010/
Unum
2019-04-17 20:20:18 UTC
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The more renewables in the mix, the higher the price gets.
It is as irrefutable as gravity.
Another day, the same old crock of shit.
Post by Chom Noamsky
“If renewables are so gosh-darn cheap, why does Germany now have the
highest electricity prices in Europe?” In fact, the average cost of
electricity is nearly 30 cents per kilowatt hour, almost three times
higher in Germany than it is in the United States.
https://www.americanexperiment.org/2018/11/renewables-cheap-germanys-electricity-expensive/
Except that isn't the average cost of the actual electricity.
It's all broken down in the article, yer boxed in worse than a cow
heading down the chute towards the captive bolt guy.
chumpsky is tooo stooopid to point it out?
The renewable energy surcharge is shown as 6.79 ct/kWh. The electricity
is about 14 ct/kWh, in line with the rest of Europe. But the average
electric bill is about 31 ct/kWh, so keep on running, boy!
Yer just confirmed my point, the cost of power is 6.79 ct/kWh higher than
it would be without renewables.
STILL lying? That's the residential electricity bill, not "the cost of power".
On what planet do people pay "the cost of power"?
chumpsky finally admits he lied about "the cost of power".
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Can't decide whether yer antics are laughable or merely pathetic.
Seems to have chumpsky backflipping continuously at this point.
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The goalposts you want are at the other end of the field.... bahahaha.
Keep on running for it, boy!
https://cleantechnica.com/2017/09/29/europe-providing-e112-billion-annually-fossil-fuel-subsidies/
"Renewable power (wind, solar) gets 72% of energy subsidies in the U.S."
https://www.fraserinstitute.org/blogs/renewable-power-wind-solar-gets-72-of-energy-subsidies-in-the-us
"Fiscal year 2013 electricity production subsidies and support"

OMFG this is so hilarious! I wonder what it was in 2003 or 1993?
Chom Noamsky
2019-04-17 20:49:32 UTC
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The more renewables in the mix, the higher the price gets.
It is as irrefutable as gravity.
Another day, the same old crock of shit.
Post by Chom Noamsky
“If renewables are so gosh-darn cheap, why does Germany now have
the highest electricity prices in Europe?” In fact, the average
cost of electricity is nearly 30 cents per kilowatt hour, almost
three times higher in Germany than it is in the United States.
https://www.americanexperiment.org/2018/11/renewables-cheap-germanys-electricity-expensive/
Except that isn't the average cost of the actual electricity.
It's all broken down in the article, yer boxed in worse than a cow
heading down the chute towards the captive bolt guy.
chumpsky is tooo stooopid to point it out?
The renewable energy surcharge is shown as 6.79 ct/kWh. The electricity
is about 14 ct/kWh, in line with the rest of Europe. But the average
electric bill is about 31 ct/kWh, so keep on running, boy!
Yer just confirmed my point, the cost of power is 6.79 ct/kWh higher
than it would be without renewables.
STILL lying? That's the residential electricity bill, not "the cost of power".
On what planet do people pay "the cost of power"?
chumpsky finally admits he lied about "the cost of power".
Cost of RE doesn't include RE taxes and levies?

Yer can't escape captive bolt man!
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The goalposts you want are at the other end of the field.... bahahaha.
Keep on running for it, boy!
https://cleantechnica.com/2017/09/29/europe-providing-e112-billion-annually-fossil-fuel-subsidies/
"Renewable power (wind, solar) gets 72% of energy subsidies in the U.S."
https://www.fraserinstitute.org/blogs/renewable-power-wind-solar-gets-72-of-energy-subsidies-in-the-us
"Fiscal year 2013 electricity production subsidies and support"
OMFG this is so hilarious! I wonder what it was in 2003 or 1993?
"OMFG", can't refute the article so starts blithering about dates.
Unum
2019-04-18 03:35:51 UTC
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The more renewables in the mix, the higher the price gets.
It is as irrefutable as gravity.
Another day, the same old crock of shit.
Post by Chom Noamsky
“If renewables are so gosh-darn cheap, why does Germany now have the
highest electricity prices in Europe?” In fact, the average cost of
electricity is nearly 30 cents per kilowatt hour, almost three times
higher in Germany than it is in the United States.
https://www.americanexperiment.org/2018/11/renewables-cheap-germanys-electricity-expensive/
Except that isn't the average cost of the actual electricity.
It's all broken down in the article, yer boxed in worse than a cow
heading down the chute towards the captive bolt guy.
chumpsky is tooo stooopid to point it out?
The renewable energy surcharge is shown as 6.79 ct/kWh. The electricity
is about 14 ct/kWh, in line with the rest of Europe. But the average
electric bill is about 31 ct/kWh, so keep on running, boy!
Yer just confirmed my point, the cost of power is 6.79 ct/kWh higher than
it would be without renewables.
STILL lying? That's the residential electricity bill, not "the cost of power".
On what planet do people pay "the cost of power"?
chumpsky finally admits he lied about "the cost of power".
Cost of RE doesn't include RE taxes and levies?
Yer can't escape captive bolt man!
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The goalposts you want are at the other end of the field.... bahahaha.
Keep on running for it, boy!
https://cleantechnica.com/2017/09/29/europe-providing-e112-billion-annually-fossil-fuel-subsidies/
"Renewable power (wind, solar) gets 72% of energy subsidies in the U.S."
https://www.fraserinstitute.org/blogs/renewable-power-wind-solar-gets-72-of-energy-subsidies-in-the-us
"Fiscal year 2013 electricity production subsidies and support"
OMFG this is so hilarious! I wonder what it was in 2003 or 1993?
"OMFG", can't refute the article so starts blithering about dates.
Lol, can't come up with a cite that has anything to do with the
present day so blabbers a load of nonsense.
Chom Noamsky
2019-04-18 06:21:37 UTC
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The more renewables in the mix, the higher the price gets.
It is as irrefutable as gravity.
Another day, the same old crock of shit.
Post by Chom Noamsky
“If renewables are so gosh-darn cheap, why does Germany now
have the highest electricity prices in Europe?” In fact, the
average cost of electricity is nearly 30 cents per kilowatt
hour, almost three times higher in Germany than it is in the
United States.
https://www.americanexperiment.org/2018/11/renewables-cheap-germanys-electricity-expensive/
Except that isn't the average cost of the actual electricity.
It's all broken down in the article, yer boxed in worse than a
cow heading down the chute towards the captive bolt guy.
chumpsky is tooo stooopid to point it out?
The renewable energy surcharge is shown as 6.79 ct/kWh. The electricity
is about 14 ct/kWh, in line with the rest of Europe. But the average
electric bill is about 31 ct/kWh, so keep on running, boy!
Yer just confirmed my point, the cost of power is 6.79 ct/kWh
higher than it would be without renewables.
STILL lying? That's the residential electricity bill, not "the cost of power".
On what planet do people pay "the cost of power"?
chumpsky finally admits he lied about "the cost of power".
Cost of RE doesn't include RE taxes and levies?
Yer can't escape captive bolt man!
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The goalposts you want are at the other end of the field.... bahahaha.
Keep on running for it, boy!
https://cleantechnica.com/2017/09/29/europe-providing-e112-billion-annually-fossil-fuel-subsidies/
"Renewable power (wind, solar) gets 72% of energy subsidies in the U.S."
https://www.fraserinstitute.org/blogs/renewable-power-wind-solar-gets-72-of-energy-subsidies-in-the-us
"Fiscal year 2013 electricity production subsidies and support"
OMFG this is so hilarious! I wonder what it was in 2003 or 1993?
"OMFG", can't refute the article so starts blithering about dates.
Lol, can't come up with a cite that has anything to do with the
present day so blabbers a load of nonsense.
It's perfectly valid until something newer comes along.

And why do you keep running away from this?

"Cost of RE doesn't include RE taxes and levies?"
Unum
2019-04-18 17:56:15 UTC
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The more renewables in the mix, the higher the price gets.
It is as irrefutable as gravity.
Another day, the same old crock of shit.
Post by Chom Noamsky
“If renewables are so gosh-darn cheap, why does Germany now have
the highest electricity prices in Europe?” In fact, the average
cost of electricity is nearly 30 cents per kilowatt hour, almost
three times higher in Germany than it is in the United States.
https://www.americanexperiment.org/2018/11/renewables-cheap-germanys-electricity-expensive/
Except that isn't the average cost of the actual electricity.
It's all broken down in the article, yer boxed in worse than a cow
heading down the chute towards the captive bolt guy.
chumpsky is tooo stooopid to point it out?
The renewable energy surcharge is shown as 6.79 ct/kWh. The electricity
is about 14 ct/kWh, in line with the rest of Europe. But the average
electric bill is about 31 ct/kWh, so keep on running, boy!
Yer just confirmed my point, the cost of power is 6.79 ct/kWh higher
than it would be without renewables.
STILL lying? That's the residential electricity bill, not "the cost of power".
On what planet do people pay "the cost of power"?
chumpsky finally admits he lied about "the cost of power".
Cost of RE doesn't include RE taxes and levies?
Yer can't escape captive bolt man!
Post by Unum
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The goalposts you want are at the other end of the field.... bahahaha.
Keep on running for it, boy!
https://cleantechnica.com/2017/09/29/europe-providing-e112-billion-annually-fossil-fuel-subsidies/
"Renewable power (wind, solar) gets 72% of energy subsidies in the U.S."
https://www.fraserinstitute.org/blogs/renewable-power-wind-solar-gets-72-of-energy-subsidies-in-the-us
"Fiscal year 2013 electricity production subsidies and support"
OMFG this is so hilarious! I wonder what it was in 2003 or 1993?
"OMFG", can't refute the article so starts blithering about dates.
Lol, can't come up with a cite that has anything to do with the
present day so blabbers a load of nonsense.
It's perfectly valid until something newer comes along.
Data from 2013 cited on somebody's blog means chumpsky has nothing.

Keep running!
Chom Noamsky
2019-04-19 21:38:00 UTC
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The more renewables in the mix, the higher the price gets.
It is as irrefutable as gravity.
Another day, the same old crock of shit.
Post by Chom Noamsky
“If renewables are so gosh-darn cheap, why does Germany now
have the highest electricity prices in Europe?” In fact, the
average cost of electricity is nearly 30 cents per kilowatt
hour, almost three times higher in Germany than it is in the
United States.
https://www.americanexperiment.org/2018/11/renewables-cheap-germanys-electricity-expensive/
Except that isn't the average cost of the actual electricity.
It's all broken down in the article, yer boxed in worse than a
cow heading down the chute towards the captive bolt guy.
chumpsky is tooo stooopid to point it out?
The renewable energy surcharge is shown as 6.79 ct/kWh. The electricity
is about 14 ct/kWh, in line with the rest of Europe. But the average
electric bill is about 31 ct/kWh, so keep on running, boy!
Yer just confirmed my point, the cost of power is 6.79 ct/kWh
higher than it would be without renewables.
STILL lying? That's the residential electricity bill, not "the cost of power".
On what planet do people pay "the cost of power"?
chumpsky finally admits he lied about "the cost of power".
Cost of RE doesn't include RE taxes and levies?
Yer can't escape captive bolt man!
Post by Unum
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The goalposts you want are at the other end of the field.... bahahaha.
Keep on running for it, boy!
https://cleantechnica.com/2017/09/29/europe-providing-e112-billion-annually-fossil-fuel-subsidies/
"Renewable power (wind, solar) gets 72% of energy subsidies in the U.S."
https://www.fraserinstitute.org/blogs/renewable-power-wind-solar-gets-72-of-energy-subsidies-in-the-us
"Fiscal year 2013 electricity production subsidies and support"
OMFG this is so hilarious! I wonder what it was in 2003 or 1993?
"OMFG", can't refute the article so starts blithering about dates.
Lol, can't come up with a cite that has anything to do with the
present day so blabbers a load of nonsense.
It's perfectly valid until something newer comes along.
Data from 2013 cited on somebody's blog means chumpsky has nothing.
Keep running!
The data is sourced from the EIA, all yer rat-gnawing is doing is making
you look stooopit.

Now clear this up once and for all, should renewable taxes and levies be
included in the price of renewables?
Unum
2019-04-19 23:51:58 UTC
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The more renewables in the mix, the higher the price gets.
It is as irrefutable as gravity.
Another day, the same old crock of shit.
Post by Chom Noamsky
“If renewables are so gosh-darn cheap, why does Germany now have
the highest electricity prices in Europe?” In fact, the average
cost of electricity is nearly 30 cents per kilowatt hour, almost
three times higher in Germany than it is in the United States.
https://www.americanexperiment.org/2018/11/renewables-cheap-germanys-electricity-expensive/
Except that isn't the average cost of the actual electricity.
It's all broken down in the article, yer boxed in worse than a cow
heading down the chute towards the captive bolt guy.
chumpsky is tooo stooopid to point it out?
The renewable energy surcharge is shown as 6.79 ct/kWh. The electricity
is about 14 ct/kWh, in line with the rest of Europe. But the average
electric bill is about 31 ct/kWh, so keep on running, boy!
Yer just confirmed my point, the cost of power is 6.79 ct/kWh higher
than it would be without renewables.
STILL lying? That's the residential electricity bill, not "the cost of
power".
On what planet do people pay "the cost of power"?
chumpsky finally admits he lied about "the cost of power".
Cost of RE doesn't include RE taxes and levies?
Yer can't escape captive bolt man!
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The goalposts you want are at the other end of the field.... bahahaha.
Keep on running for it, boy!
https://cleantechnica.com/2017/09/29/europe-providing-e112-billion-annually-fossil-fuel-subsidies/
"Renewable power (wind, solar) gets 72% of energy subsidies in the U.S."
https://www.fraserinstitute.org/blogs/renewable-power-wind-solar-gets-72-of-energy-subsidies-in-the-us
"Fiscal year 2013 electricity production subsidies and support"
OMFG this is so hilarious! I wonder what it was in 2003 or 1993?
"OMFG", can't refute the article so starts blithering about dates.
Lol, can't come up with a cite that has anything to do with the
present day so blabbers a load of nonsense.
It's perfectly valid until something newer comes along.
Data from 2013 cited on somebody's blog means chumpsky has nothing.
Keep running!
The data is sourced from the EIA, all yer rat-gnawing is doing is making you
look stooopit.
Apparently time stopped back in 2013 in de land of denial.
Now clear this up once and for all, should renewable taxes and levies be
included in the price of renewables?
Sure! Just as long as the entire social cost of fossil fuel burning is
included in the price of dirty energy. Glad we cleared that up 'once
and for all'!
m***@yahoo.com
2019-04-22 15:31:09 UTC
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Post by Chom Noamsky
Now clear this up once and for all, should renewable taxes and levies be
included in the price of renewables?
Sure! Just as long as the entire social cost of fossil fuel burning is
included in the price of dirty energy. Glad we cleared that up 'once
and for all'!
An there lies the CRUX of the issue..

How exactly do you place a "social cost" in $ of adding 1 ton of CO2 to the atmosphere?

That ton of CO2 was in the past and again becomes part of the natural carbon cycle. It will be absorbed by trees and other parts of "nature".

If the CO2 prevents us from entering an "ice age", is the added CO2 a "cost" or a benefit?

How do you arrive at a cost in $?


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Unum
2019-04-22 18:53:31 UTC
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Post by Unum
Post by Chom Noamsky
Now clear this up once and for all, should renewable taxes and levies be
included in the price of renewables?
Sure! Just as long as the entire social cost of fossil fuel burning is
included in the price of dirty energy. Glad we cleared that up 'once
and for all'!
An there lies the CRUX of the issue..
How exactly do you place a "social cost" in $ of adding 1 ton of CO2 to the atmosphere?
That ton of CO2 was in the past and again becomes part of the natural carbon cycle. It will be absorbed by trees and other parts of "nature".
If the CO2 prevents us from entering an "ice age", is the added CO2 a "cost" or a benefit?
How do you arrive at a cost in $?
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/fossil-fuel-subsidies-cost-5-trillion-annually-and-worsen-pollution/

Global energy subsidies, including the social and environmental costs
associated with heavily subsidized fossil fuels, are costing the world’s
governments upward of $5 trillion annually, according to new estimates
released yesterday by the International Monetary Fund.
Byker
2019-04-22 20:27:49 UTC
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Post by Chom Noamsky
Now clear this up once and for all, should renewable taxes and levies be
included in the price of renewables?
Sure! Just as long as the entire social cost of fossil fuel burning is
included in the price of dirty energy. Glad we cleared that up 'once
and for all'!
Be glad you're not driving a diesel in Deutschland:



Talk about the blind leading the blind...
Chom Noamsky
2019-04-24 04:31:12 UTC
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Post by Unum
Post by Chom Noamsky
Now clear this up once and for all, should renewable taxes and levies be
included in the price of renewables?
Sure! Just as long as the entire social cost of fossil fuel burning is
included in the price of dirty energy. Glad we cleared that up 'once
and for all'!
An there lies the CRUX of the issue..
How exactly do you place a "social cost" in $ of adding 1 ton of CO2 to the atmosphere?
That ton of CO2 was in the past and again becomes part of the natural carbon cycle. It will be absorbed by trees and other parts of "nature".
If the CO2 prevents us from entering an "ice age", is the added CO2 a "cost" or a benefit?
How do you arrive at a cost in $?
Some economists actually find a net benefit to 2C of warming.
columbiaaccidentinvestigation
2019-04-24 04:45:29 UTC
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Post by Unum
Post by Chom Noamsky
Now clear this up once and for all, should renewable taxes and levies be
included in the price of renewables?
Sure! Just as long as the entire social cost of fossil fuel burning is
included in the price of dirty energy. Glad we cleared that up 'once
and for all'!
An there lies the CRUX of the issue..
How exactly do you place a "social cost" in $ of adding 1 ton of CO2 to the atmosphere?
That ton of CO2 was in the past and again becomes part of the natural carbon cycle. It will be absorbed by trees and other parts of "nature".
If the CO2 prevents us from entering an "ice age", is the added CO2 a "cost" or a benefit?
How do you arrive at a cost in $?
Some economists actually find a net benefit to 2C of warming.
That would be a disguised form of wealth redistribution
JTEM is Remarkably Flexible
2019-04-24 05:12:12 UTC
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Some economists actually find a net benefit to 2C of warming.
Well, it's hubris to think that we can change things one way or
the way simply by driving a Model 3. Climate is hideously
complicated. In the case of the Quaternary Period, there seems
a delay of about 300 to 400 thousand years between the change
in deep ocean waters and the alterations to the currents which
were ultimately responsible.

I only got into "Climate" at all because of my interest in
paleoanthropology, and how human evolution seems to have
been shaped dramatically by the glacial/interglacial cycle. So,
I've always had an "Overview" or "Big Picture" -- seeing things
very long term -- and never understood how crackpots can
quote temperatures from only 130, or 40 or sometimes even 10
years ago and think this is someone "Definitive."





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https://jtem.tumblr.com/post/184387433153
Chom Noamsky
2019-04-24 04:29:26 UTC
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Now clear this up once and for all, should renewable taxes and levies
be included in the price of renewables?
Sure!
So yer finally admit the "price of electricity" you rabidly pumped isn't
the true price.

You may go now.
Unum
2019-04-24 21:33:20 UTC
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Post by Chom Noamsky
Now clear this up once and for all, should renewable taxes and levies be
included in the price of renewables?
Sure!
So yer finally admit the "price of electricity" you rabidly pumped isn't the
true price.
Just as long as the entire social cost of fossil fuel burning is
included in the price of dirty energy. Glad we cleared that up 'once
and for all'!
You may go now.
Keep running boy!

Bret Cahill
2019-04-18 05:47:05 UTC
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Same reason a beer in Germany costs $3.00

Eberthang is ober priced in N. Europe.
R Kym Horsell
2019-04-18 06:37:20 UTC
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Same reason a beer in Germany costs $3.00
Eberthang is ober priced in N. Europe.
Alles in Butter.
--
[W]e all admire financial success. However, it's what one does with his or
her wealth that matters. Will the Koch brothers eventually have late-in-life
conversions like John D. Rockefeller and Andrew Carnegie? Will they stop
using their billions to prevent anything from being done about climate change?
Will they put some of those billions back into their own companies to reduce
their own pollution and set an example for others? Will they begin to use
some of their excessive wealth for the good of all or will they continue
their present course? Sadly, they are both already well-past retirement age,
but we can always hope.
-- <https://davidoffutt.wordpress.com/2012/11/10/climate-change-and-the-david
-h-koch-hall-of-human-origins/>
Chom Noamsky
2019-04-19 21:39:09 UTC
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Same reason a beer in Germany costs $3.00
Eberthang is ober priced in N. Europe.
Yer think the price of energy might have sumpn to do with that?
Bret Cahill
2019-04-19 22:41:38 UTC
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Post by Bret Cahill
Same reason a beer in Germany costs $3.00
Eberthang is ober priced in N. Europe.
Yer think the price of energy might have sumpn to do with that?
In Norway? Sure. They have trillions in oil wealf.
R Kym Horsell
2019-04-19 22:47:34 UTC
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Post by Bret Cahill
Post by Chom Noamsky
Post by Bret Cahill
Same reason a beer in Germany costs $3.00
Eberthang is ober priced in N. Europe.
Yer think the price of energy might have sumpn to do with that?
In Norway? Sure. They have trillions in oil wealf.
Elec is currently ~$US54/MWh according to NVE.
--
According to the Dept of Transport the average American spends
around $5800/yr on fuel, $4640 of which ends up only as waste heat.
Chom Noamsky
2019-04-24 04:31:44 UTC
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Post by Bret Cahill
Same reason a beer in Germany costs $3.00
Eberthang is ober priced in N. Europe.
Yer think the price of energy might have sumpn to do with that?
In Norway? Sure. They have trillions in oil wealf.
Cuz deyz ruthless market capitalists.
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