IPL problem from CD

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IPL problem from CD

hercules_ventura

2009-02-20 01:55:47 UTC

I am trying to use z/VM 5.3 Evaluation DVD from IBM but when I do the
command "ipl /cdrom/ZVM.ins" I get:

ipl /home/linux390/dasd/cdrom/ZVM.ins
HHCCP007I CPU0000 architecture mode set to ESA/390
CPU0000: SIGP Set architecture mode (12) CPU0000, PARM 00000001: CC 0
HHCCP007I CPU0000 architecture mode set to z/Arch
HHCCP011I CPU0000: Disabled wait state
PSW=00020001 80000000 0000000000009082

I am using the hercules 3.06.

I have no idea. Any suggestion ???

Thanks in advance,
Ventura

Ian S. Worthington

2009-02-20 02:20:25 UTC

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iirc this has been discussed in the group before and it doesn't (yet?) work.
I suggest you search the archive for more information.

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Post by hercules_ventura
I am trying to use z/VM 5.3 Evaluation DVD from IBM but when I do the
ipl /home/linux390/dasd/cdrom/ZVM.ins
HHCCP007I CPU0000 architecture mode set to ESA/390
CPU0000: SIGP Set architecture mode (12) CPU0000, PARM 00000001: CC 0
HHCCP007I CPU0000 architecture mode set to z/Arch
HHCCP011I CPU0000: Disabled wait state
PSW=00020001 80000000 0000000000009082
I am using the hercules 3.06.
I have no idea. Any suggestion ???
Thanks in advance,
Ventura
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August Treubig

2009-02-20 04:26:18 UTC

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Ian and all, it works just fine. But you MUST have a 3 gig machine size.

Aug

Post by Ian S. Worthington
iirc this has been discussed in the group before and it doesn't (yet?) work.
I suggest you search the archive for more information.
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pfg504

2009-02-20 04:28:39 UTC

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Using a MAC OS X build of a 64-bit Hercules from the latest SVN source on Snow Leopard
and a 3G memory model I have been able to IPL and execute successfully. The boot from
the DVD builds a RAM disk that VM runs on which is why a 3G memory is needed.

Paul

hercules_ventura

2009-02-20 20:03:53 UTC

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I try to do your suggestion but unfortunately I have only
2G memory and a 31-bit machine. I get the same with
the CVS revision 5061.

Thank you.

Post by pfg504
Using a MAC OS X build of a 64-bit Hercules from the latest SVN source on Snow Leopard
and a 3G memory model I have been able to IPL and execute

successfully. The boot from

Post by pfg504
the DVD builds a RAM disk that VM runs on which is why a 3G memory is needed.
Paul

August Treubig

2009-02-20 21:59:33 UTC

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If you only have a 2 gig physical machine, that is the end of the
story. The Evaluation Edition requires at least a 3 gig LPAR. When I
did it, I ran it on an AMD X2 with 4 gigs for memory and I configured
Hercules for 3 gigs. Understand as Paul said previously, that this
version of VM runs out of a ram disk and not a "real" disk 3390 or FBA.

Aug

Post by hercules_ventura
I try to do your suggestion but unfortunately I have only
2G memory and a 31-bit machine. I get the same with
the CVS revision 5061.
Thank you.

Post by pfg504
Using a MAC OS X build of a 64-bit Hercules from the latest SVN

source on Snow Leopard

Post by pfg504
and a 3G memory model I have been able to IPL and execute

successfully. The boot from

Post by pfg504
the DVD builds a RAM disk that VM runs on which is why a 3G memory

is needed.

Post by pfg504
Paul

Post by Ian S. Worthington
iirc this has been discussed in the group before and it doesn't

(yet?) work.

Post by pfg504

Post by Ian S. Worthington
I suggest you search the archive for more information.
i
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Received: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 08:55:53 PM COT
Subject: [hercules-390] IPL problem from CD

Post by hercules_ventura
I am trying to use z/VM 5.3 Evaluation DVD from IBM but when I

do the

Post by pfg504

Post by Ian S. Worthington

Post by hercules_ventura
ipl /home/linux390/dasd/cdrom/ZVM.ins
HHCCP007I CPU0000 architecture mode set to ESA/390

CC 0

Post by pfg504

Post by Ian S. Worthington

Post by hercules_ventura
HHCCP007I CPU0000 architecture mode set to z/Arch
HHCCP011I CPU0000: Disabled wait state
PSW=00020001 80000000 0000000000009082
I am using the hercules 3.06.
I have no idea. Any suggestion ???
Thanks in advance,
Ventura
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Robin Atwood

2009-02-21 08:13:03 UTC

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Post by August Treubig
If you only have a 2 gig physical machine, that is the end of the
story. The Evaluation Edition requires at least a 3 gig LPAR. When I
did it, I ran it on an AMD X2 with 4 gigs for memory and I configured
Hercules for 3 gigs. Understand as Paul said previously, that this
version of VM runs out of a ram disk and not a "real" disk 3390 or FBA.

Nah. I have only 2 GB of RAM but I increased my swap partitions to 6GB and the
it worked. The machine virtually dies while the system is copied into memory
but once it's finished it becomes quite usable again. I then IPLed a 1GB
Linux system without any problems.

HTH
-Robin
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Jay Maynard

2009-02-21 15:45:12 UTC

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Post by Robin Atwood

64-bit Linux will allow you to allocate as much memory as the sum of
physical RAM and swap space. In general, you don't want to have the host
system swap when running Hercules, because it suspends the entire Hercules
machine while doing so - but if you need 3 GB MAINSTOR and only have 2 GB
RAM, you don't have a lot of other options.

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Bob Brown

2009-02-25 14:25:25 UTC

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Strange question, but is there any way that hercules can intercept the
building of the RAM disk and direct it to an emulated disk volume
instead (thus decreasing the amount of RAM needed to run the z/VM
evaluation edition)?

-Bob

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Subject: Re: [hercules-390] Re: IPL problem from CD

Post by Robin Atwood

Post by August Treubig
If you only have a 2 gig physical machine, that is the end of the
story. The Evaluation Edition requires at least a 3 gig LPAR. When
I did it, I ran it on an AMD X2 with 4 gigs for memory and I
configured Hercules for 3 gigs. Understand as Paul said previously,
that this version of VM runs out of a ram disk and not a "real" disk

3390 or FBA.

Post by Robin Atwood
Nah. I have only 2 GB of RAM but I increased my swap partitions to 6GB
and the it worked. The machine virtually dies while the system is
copied into memory but once it's finished it becomes quite usable
again. I then IPLed a 1GB Linux system without any problems.

64-bit Linux will allow you to allocate as much memory as the sum of
physical RAM and swap space. In general, you don't want to have the host
system swap when running Hercules, because it suspends the entire
Hercules machine while doing so - but if you need 3 GB MAINSTOR and only
have 2 GB RAM, you don't have a lot of other options.

Robin Atwood

2009-02-25 16:00:28 UTC

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Post by Bob Brown
Strange question, but is there any way that hercules can intercept the
building of the RAM disk and direct it to an emulated disk volume
instead (thus decreasing the amount of RAM needed to run the z/VM
evaluation edition)?

Or having installed the system onto the RAM drive, use DDR to dump it to a
real DASD volume. I could not get this to work and suspect IBM would not want
it to!

FWIW
-Robin

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pfg504

2009-02-25 19:18:45 UTC

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The documentation that came with the system warned about the machine appearing to
hang for 15-20 minutes even on a z10.

Once you have the machine up and running, attach an FBA device like a 9336 that is about
500M in size. Logon on to MAINT, attach the device to MAINT. DDR the RAM disk to the
attach drive. DDR only the used portion, otherwise the system will crash.

Shutdown the system and IPL from the attached disk...

Paul

Post by Robin Atwood

Or having installed the system onto the RAM drive, use DDR to dump it to a
real DASD volume. I could not get this to work and suspect IBM would not want
it to!
FWIW
-Robin
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Bob Brown

2009-02-25 20:37:35 UTC

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How do you ddr only the used portion?
-Bob

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On Behalf Of pfg504
Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 1:19 PM
To: hercules-390-***@public.gmane.org
Subject: [hercules-390] Re: IPL problem from CD

The documentation that came with the system warned about the machine
appearing to hang for 15-20 minutes even on a z10.

Once you have the machine up and running, attach an FBA device like a
9336 that is about 500M in size. Logon on to MAINT, attach the device to
MAINT. DDR the RAM disk to the attach drive. DDR only the used portion,
otherwise the system will crash.

Shutdown the system and IPL from the attached disk...

Paul

Post by Robin Atwood

Post by Bob Brown
Strange question, but is there any way that hercules can intercept
the building of the RAM disk and direct it to an emulated disk
volume instead (thus decreasing the amount of RAM needed to run the
z/VM evaluation edition)?

Or having installed the system onto the RAM drive, use DDR to dump it
to a real DASD volume. I could not get this to work and suspect IBM
would not want it to!
FWIW
-Robin
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pfg504

2009-03-02 05:59:09 UTC

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On the DDR DUMP specify block zero to the last block as mapped in the DIRECTORY.

I'll look it up if you can't find it.

Paul

Post by Bob Brown
How do you ddr only the used portion?
-Bob
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-----Original Message-----
On Behalf Of pfg504
Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 1:19 PM
Subject: [hercules-390] Re: IPL problem from CD
The documentation that came with the system warned about the machine
appearing to hang for 15-20 minutes even on a z10.
Once you have the machine up and running, attach an FBA device like a
9336 that is about 500M in size. Logon on to MAINT, attach the device to
MAINT. DDR the RAM disk to the attach drive. DDR only the used portion,
otherwise the system will crash.
Shutdown the system and IPL from the attached disk...
Paul

Post by Robin Atwood

Post by Bob Brown
Strange question, but is there any way that hercules can intercept
the building of the RAM disk and direct it to an emulated disk
volume instead (thus decreasing the amount of RAM needed to run the
z/VM evaluation edition)?

Or having installed the system onto the RAM drive, use DDR to dump it
to a real DASD volume. I could not get this to work and suspect IBM
would not want it to!
FWIW
-Robin
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pfg504

2009-03-02 06:12:30 UTC

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I appears that 3700399 is the last block number.

DUMP 0 3700399

You also need to build a PAGING disk...

Paul

Post by pfg504
On the DDR DUMP specify block zero to the last block as mapped in the DIRECTORY.
I'll look it up if you can't find it.
Paul

Post by Robin Atwood

Post by Bob Brown
Strange question, but is there any way that hercules can intercept
the building of the RAM disk and direct it to an emulated disk
volume instead (thus decreasing the amount of RAM needed to run the
z/VM evaluation edition)?

Or having installed the system onto the RAM drive, use DDR to dump it
to a real DASD volume. I could not get this to work and suspect IBM
would not want it to!
FWIW
-Robin
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Robin Atwood

2009-03-02 14:54:42 UTC

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Post by pfg504
I appears that 3700399 is the last block number.
DUMP 0 3700399
You also need to build a PAGING disk...

I copied the RAM image to a 3370 and IPLing it under z/VM works. However, when
I try it stand-alone I get a PSW=000A0000 00001010 which according to the
manual is no console available. According to the SYSTEM CONFIG file, the
consoles are at 0020, 0021, etc., but these make no difference. I also tried
0000, 001F to no avail. What am I missing here?

TIA
-Robin

Roger Bowler

2009-03-02 15:21:32 UTC

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Post by Robin Atwood
I copied the RAM image to a 3370 and IPLing it under z/VM works.
However, when I try it stand-alone I get a PSW=000A0000 00001010
which according to the manual is no console available. According to
the SYSTEM CONFIG file, the consoles are at 0020, 0021, etc., but
these make no difference. I also tried 0000, 001F to no avail. What
am I missing here?

Add this as the first device in your hercules.conf file:

000 SYSG

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Robin Atwood

2009-03-02 15:42:49 UTC

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Post by Robin Atwood

Post by pfg504
I appears that 3700399 is the last block number.
DUMP 0 3700399
You also need to build a PAGING disk...

I copied the RAM image to a 3370 and IPLing it under z/VM works. However,
when I try it stand-alone I get a PSW=000A0000 00001010 which according
to the manual is no console available. According to the SYSTEM CONFIG
file, the consoles are at 0020, 0021, etc., but these make no difference.
I also tried 0000, 001F to no avail. What am I missing here?
TIA
-Robin

The problem is that SAIPL is unable to access the console.
The default console as defined by the z/VM Eval is the SYSG console (the
integrated 3270 console).
0000 SYSG

I had that already otherwise I could not have IPLed the RAM system. I also
had "0020 3270" for good measure.

or
Tell SAIPL to use another console !
LOADPARM CONSxxxx (where xxxx is the device number of the device you
wish to use).

I added the "LOADPARM CONS0020" and then it all worked and now I have two
consoles. Not sure what was happening there!

Thanks
-Robin
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"Ship me somewheres east of Suez, where the best is like the worst,
Where there ain't no Ten Commandments an' a man can raise a thirst"
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Bob Brown

2009-03-02 16:25:10 UTC

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Can you post the hercules.cnf files you used, both for the initial boot
(where you then ddr'ed the ramdisk to the 3370) and the config to boot
from the 3370?
thanks
-Bob

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On Behalf Of Robin Atwood
Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 9:43 AM
To: hercules-390-***@public.gmane.org
Subject: Re: [hercules-390] Re: IPL problem from CD

Post by Robin Atwood

Post by pfg504
I appears that 3700399 is the last block number.
DUMP 0 3700399
You also need to build a PAGING disk...

I copied the RAM image to a 3370 and IPLing it under z/VM works.
However, when I try it stand-alone I get a PSW=000A0000 00001010
which according to the manual is no console available. According to
the SYSTEM CONFIG file, the consoles are at 0020, 0021, etc., but

these make no difference.

Post by Robin Atwood
I also tried 0000, 001F to no avail. What am I missing here?
TIA
-Robin

The problem is that SAIPL is unable to access the console.
The default console as defined by the z/VM Eval is the SYSG console
(the integrated 3270 console).
0000 SYSG

I had that already otherwise I could not have IPLed the RAM system. I
also had "0020 3270" for good measure.

or
Tell SAIPL to use another console !
LOADPARM CONSxxxx (where xxxx is the device number of the device you
wish to use).

I added the "LOADPARM CONS0020" and then it all worked and now I have
two consoles. Not sure what was happening there!

Thanks
-Robin
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Robin Atwood.

"Ship me somewheres east of Suez, where the best is like the worst,
Where there ain't no Ten Commandments an' a man can raise a thirst"
from "Mandalay" by Rudyard Kipling
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Robin Atwood

2009-03-02 16:37:39 UTC

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Post by Robin Atwood
I added the "LOADPARM CONS0020" and then it all worked and now I have two
consoles. Not sure what was happening there!

Next problem (at the risk of out-staying my welcome!):

10:51:24 HCPLNM053E OP1 not in CP directory
10:51:24 HCPLNM1151E OPERATOR 0191 has not been linked because it is not
within CP volume extents.

I think this means my DDR did not work properly. I did a "COPY ALL" and
received no error messages but I guess something is missing.

TIA
-Robin
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Where there ain't no Ten Commandments an' a man can raise a thirst"
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Ian S. Worthington

2009-02-20 04:32:13 UTC

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I stand corrected. Thanks.

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Subject: [hercules-390] Re: IPL problem from CD

Post by August Treubig
Ian and all, it works just fine. But you MUST have a 3 gig machine size.
Aug

Post by Ian S. Worthington
iirc this has been discussed in the group before and it doesn't

(yet?) work.

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Dave Wade

2009-02-20 08:56:22 UTC

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If the partition icon turns the color used for Disabled Wait (usually
red), the "Hardware
Messages" screen will show the event and "Details" will show the
Processor Status Word
(PSW) value. The wait state is the last four hexadecimal numbers in the
PSW. The possible
-) 9082 Storage size too small
-) 9084 Write Event Data error
-) 9085 FTP Services event error
-) 9086 Read Event Data error

Dave Wade G4UGM
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-----Original Message-----
On Behalf Of hercules_ventura
Sent: 20 February 2009 01:56
Subject: [hercules-390] IPL problem from CD
I am trying to use z/VM 5.3 Evaluation DVD from IBM but when I do the
ipl /home/linux390/dasd/cdrom/ZVM.ins
HHCCP007I CPU0000 architecture mode set to ESA/390
CPU0000: SIGP Set architecture mode (12) CPU0000, PARM 00000001: CC 0
HHCCP007I CPU0000 architecture mode set to z/Arch
HHCCP011I CPU0000: Disabled wait state
PSW=00020001 80000000 0000000000009082
I am using the hercules 3.06.
I have no idea. Any suggestion ???
Thanks in advance,
Ventura
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