Well said, as usual, Jonathan. I think for those with a third-party Apple TV waiting a bit is the way to go or get the fourth gen Apple TV and enjoy it for what it offers and use it side by side with the third gen. But for many like me who never upgraded from the second gen to the third gen I think getting the new Apple TV is a no-brainer. The second gen Apple TV doesnât support Netflix audio descriptions anyways and there is no Youtube app any more so even though the new Apple TV needs some major feature additions, I think itâs not much of a step back compared to the second gen with maybe the exception of Bluetooth keyboards, but maybe as somebody pointed out, this really is coming very soon although if it were coming within days or a week, why ship them without. Somehow I think Apple is not going to push an update before many customers have even received their unit.
Despite everything I read and hear from the early reviews, I am excited that mine has also shipped now and the UPS tracking information says it will be delivered next Friday so maybe itâs even going to be Thursday and definitely itâs earlier than November 11 to 13 which is what my order said originally.
I am really surprised the there is no native Podcast app or that the remote app isnât working with the Apple TV. I just looked it up on the App Store and it says:
Note: Remote is only compatible with Apple TV (3rd generation or earlier)
It shows the app was last updatedin April, so hopefully weâll see an update to that app very soon which will add support for the fourth gen Apple TV. It also appears that the reviews for the Remote app are dismal, the latest version gets 2 Stars. Itâs interesting how Apple makes some stuff and has some services which work so well and are so easy to use and other products and services they just canât seem to get right.
Regards,
Sieghard
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Hi Brian and all, I agree with you. The term half baked Apples comes to mind at the moment. It has huge potential, and I'm sure it is going to be really good, but to me it's not even feeling like a 1.0 product right now. On the third gen, we used to use the Radio app, for listening to Internet radio stations including the one I manage, Mushroom FM. Apple hasn't included it with this release, and there's no equivalent app in the App Store that I've been able to find.
We listen to a lot of podcasts on the Apple TV. But Apple hasn't even done a version of its own Podcasts app, even though there was one for the third generation.
For both of these issues, Airplay is a work-around, but then you're involving another device, which in my view is a step backwards. Hopefully Downcast or Overcast will come to the platform soon for Podcasts, and TuneIn Radio would be great for Mushroom FM and similar stations.
When, in the podcast, it became clear to me that Bluetooth keyboard support is not in the software right now, I consoled myself by thinking that I could use the excellent Remote app for iOS and Watch OS, and control the TV that way. But you can't, Apple's own Remote app doesn't yet work with Apple's own brand new Apple TV.
It's also curious to me that despite the great storage and fast chip, you get no choice of voice in VO, unless you change your region.
On the third-party side, we've lost Netflix with audio description, and Hulu isn't accessible.
And as Sieghard has said in this thread and I pointed out in my podcast, Siri isn't supported here in New Zealand, even though New Zealand English is a choice in iOS.
I think all these things may well be addressed, but if you have a functional third generation unit and enjoy it for some of these functions, you might want to hang on a bit. For those who think it's fun to be on the cutting edge, this product shows a lot of promise and I'm sure it's going to get very good over time.
Jonathan Mosen
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On 2/11/2015, at 3:54 AM, Brian Fischler <***@me.com <mailto:***@me.com> > wrote:
I think as more developers get a hold of the AppleTV it will get better, but the fact that you cannot pair a bluetooth keyboard, that Netflix left described video out as a option, and that typing is dreadful I would not run out and buy a AppleTv yet. Very disappointed in it so far.
On Nov 1, 2015, at 8:15 AM, chris <***@icloud.com <mailto:***@icloud.com> > wrote:
Ar ok, just got this message so please disregard my query.
On 01/11/2015 12:22, Gadget Girl wrote:
Hello everyone. I was in the Apple Store yesterday and was told by a manager that an update to the software is coming which will enable the Apple bluetooth keyboard and the new Apple magic keyboard to work with the new Apple TV. He said the update should be out in days. FYI.
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Gadget Girl
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On Nov 1, 2015, at 1:48 AM, chris <***@icloud.com <mailto:***@icloud.com> > wrote:
Yes so I encourage anyone who relies on a bluetooth keyboard to think twice before purchasing the new Apple TV. At least the third generation will be around for the forseeable future.
On 01/11/2015 03:46, Mary Otten wrote:
Oh boy! That sounds like a big step back. Hopefully, they will fix this in the coming months.
Mary
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On Oct 31, 2015, at 8:40 PM, Ben Mustill-Rose <***@benmr.com <mailto:***@benmr.com> > wrote:
I've tried and it doesn't work. Unfortunately as you say the new
keyboard layout is even worse than the old one and even though the TV
has Siri you don't appear to be able to use dictation.
Cheers,
Ben.
On 11/1/15, Mary Otten <***@gmail.com <mailto:***@gmail.com> > wrote:
For those of you who have the new AppleTV, has any of you tried connecting
it with an apple or other Bluetooth keyboard and what have your results
been? I saw an article in some tech blogger other today commenting on the
fact that typing stuff on the screen is now much more difficult, because
they don't have the grid that they used to have for use with the remote. It
is apparently one long line of letters and one long line of numbers. And the
author was complaining that this was very much a pain in the butt. They did
not say anything about using a Bluetooth keyboard, making me think that that
might not be an option. So, what say you?
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