what has happened to this group?

What has happened to this group??? It used to be a safe place, now it's
full of spammers and fat-haters.

unknown

2006-06-22 13:16:45 UTC

Post by Mike Bohn
What has happened to this group??? It used to be a safe place, now it's
full of spammers and fat-haters.

Bobbie Sanches (Lady Veteran) trashed it.

Doris

Lady Veteran

2006-06-23 00:52:23 UTC

On Thu, 22 Jun 2006 12:11:32 GMT, Mike Bohn

Post by Mike Bohn
What has happened to this group??? It used to be a safe place, now
it's full of spammers and fat-haters.

Bobbie Sanches (Lady Veteran) trashed it.
Doris

Not how idiots never accept responsibility for their actions. They
don't even remember their own names.

LV

I rode a tank and wore a General's rank-When the blitzkrieg raged and
the bodies stank.- - - Rolling Stones-Sympathy for the Devil

Gandalf Parker

2006-06-22 13:58:42 UTC

Post by Mike Bohn
What has happened to this group??? It used to be a safe place, now it's
full of spammers and fat-haters.

Thats about it. Usually when a newsgroup is garbage-filled its the work of
players from alt.troll but in this case it actually seems to be dedicated
trashers with a vendetta.

Its just the fad of the day. Im afraid that for another few years fat-
bashing will be the "accepted norm" from the skinny minority.

Gandalf Parker

--
Some believe that racial acceptance means wanting to be that race.
Some believe that gay acceptance is a sign of wanting to be gay.
And some believe that fat-acceptance means wanting to be fat.

Lady Veteran

2006-06-23 00:56:08 UTC

Post by Mike Bohn
What has happened to this group??? It used to be a safe place, now
it's full of spammers and fat-haters.

Thats about it. Usually when a newsgroup is garbage-filled its the
work of players from alt.troll but in this case it actually seems
to be dedicated trashers with a vendetta.
Its just the fad of the day. Im afraid that for another few years
fat- bashing will be the "accepted norm" from the skinny minority.
Gandalf Parker

I don't have to accept that and neither do you. Keep the little shit
heads out here where we can see them. I will swat everyone of then on
the nose that I can.

They blame me for everything-that is good. It means I pissed them off
and that is great.

I don't even think flies would want to contaminate themselves with
the shitheads we have in this group.

LV

I rode a tank and wore a General's rank-When the blitzkrieg raged and
the bodies stank.- - - Rolling Stones-Sympathy for the Devil

Terri

2006-06-23 22:37:53 UTC

On 22 Jun 2006 13:58:42 GMT, Gandalf Parker

Post by Mike Bohn
What has happened to this group??? It used to be a safe place, now it's
full of spammers and fat-haters.

Thats about it. Usually when a newsgroup is garbage-filled its the work of
players from alt.troll but in this case it actually seems to be dedicated
trashers with a vendetta.
Its just the fad of the day. Im afraid that for another few years fat-
bashing will be the "accepted norm" from the skinny minority.
Gandalf Parker

Gandalf - It should be quite clear to any who have read this group
for a while. It is Lady Veteran who is the cause of the downslide of
this NG. It is not enough of her to tell someone that she doesn't
agree with them. She persists in making the most slanderous and
pornographic insults to anyone she believes is not toeing HER LINE.

The she proclaims that she has the right to dictate who will post and
what they will post. She acts like some kind of two bit dictator.

It should be totally understandable to all that opinions will differ.
Some may be accepting of some who are obese but not morbidly obese.
Some may be accept of the morbidly obese if there are not of huge,
gigantic proportions of say 500 or 600 pounds. Then some believe that
someone of 300 lbs are not doing enough to control their weight. A
few may proclaim that a slim movie starlet figure is within easy reach
of all. Some believe that many fat people do eat too much and exercise
too little.
It varies, but not LV's line of thought. She obviously has a problem
dealing with people. Someone, some time ago made mention that she
often changes jobs. That is understandable for someone that cannot
get along with people.

Some are sympathetic of the fat persons plight and offer advice on
what works for them. Lady Veteran will really go off on these people.
She has even made the statement here that the issue of weight control
is not even open to question or debate. That is beyond being
ridiculous.

Of course that are insulted by her and of course she has alienated
them. She bestows upon them "enemy status" and they respond
accordingly.

But saving the most pertinent for the last. It is not the fat people
that many posters here have an issue with, it is Lady Veteran. By
this point in time they have came to realize that if they want to "get
to her" post something anti fat and they will have "gotten her"

Its as simple as that.

The nature and tone of her posts make her come across as someone from
the very lowest social strata.

Terri

--
Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com

Gandalf Parker

2006-06-24 01:42:53 UTC

Post by Terri
But saving the most pertinent for the last. It is not the fat people
that many posters here have an issue with, it is Lady Veteran. By
this point in time they have came to realize that if they want to "get
to her" post something anti fat and they will have "gotten her"
Its as simple as that.

Sorry. I dont agree.

I dont consider LV a shining example of our best representatives :) (no
offense LV) but in the wide range of regulars here I consider her to be a
member. And yes she seems to enjoy taking up arms in response to posters
she doesnt agree with. But I havent seen too many that she fired off all
barrels on for no reason.

I also dont agree that the trolls are here for her. A couple are, but they
arent a bother. The flooders arent flooding for LV

Gandalf Parker

Terri

2006-06-24 05:41:35 UTC

On 24 Jun 2006 01:42:53 GMT, Gandalf Parker

Sorry. I dont agree.
I dont consider LV a shining example of our best representatives :) (no
offense LV) but in the wide range of regulars here I consider her to be a
member. And yes she seems to enjoy taking up arms in response to posters
she doesnt agree with. But I havent seen too many that she fired off all
barrels on for no reason.

Apparently, you do realize that she is a loose cannon And she has
went off on posters for no reason at all. A newbie will come here and
post how they managed to lose some weight and she will come on like
gangbusters to tell them to get off of HER news group.

It is not to be expected that everyone who posts here will be in
agreement. The other person should answer back in a civilized manner
and most of them do.

Prime example, although Robin frequently responds to what she
perceives to be an anti-fat posting she is always a lady.
Conversely, LV who is definitely not a lady will jump in using gutter
language like a 13 year old boy who has just learned all the bad
words.

It is patently obvious that Robin is much, much further up the
socio-economic scale than LV.

Even if LV has a valid point it is smothered out by her rudeness and
crude low class manner. People will focus on her trashy gutter level
lingo and her argument will be lost. Most often there are no
counter-points, only filthy ghetto language. Typically when she is
called down for inappropriate language she responds by showing she
also knows some more dirty words.

She does the fat-acceptance folks no favor by appointing herself to be
their spokesperson.

She is widely known on the newsgroups for her immature childish
behavior. Do a Goggle search sometime on Lady Veteran. You will get
thousands of hits.

Terri

Post by Gandalf Parker
I also dont agree that the trolls are here for her. A couple are, but they
arent a bother. The flooders arent flooding for LV
Gandalf Parker

--
Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com

Gandalf Parker

2006-06-24 12:39:41 UTC

Post by Terri
On 24 Jun 2006 01:42:53 GMT, Gandalf Parker

Post by Gandalf Parker
I dont consider LV a shining example of our best representatives :)
(no offense LV) but in the wide range of regulars here I consider her
to be a member. And yes she seems to enjoy taking up arms in response
to posters she doesnt agree with. But I havent seen too many that she
fired off all barrels on for no reason.

Prime example, although Robin frequently responds to what she
perceives to be an anti-fat posting she is always a lady.
Conversely, LV who is definitely not a lady will jump in using gutter
language like a 13 year old boy who has just learned all the bad
words.

Like I said, there is a range to the membership. But I dont think the
ills of the group would be fixed by LV leaving, and someone else would
just have to step up to give the types of answers that we can count on
her volunteering to do.

Post by Terri
She is widely known on the newsgroups for her immature childish
behavior. Do a Goggle search sometime on Lady Veteran. You will get
thousands of hits.

Dont ever do a search on me. It very nearly crashes the google database.
Both on web and groups searches. Even putting it as "Gandalf Parker" with
quotes and getting pretty much only pretty much only links that mean me,
is more than anyone should ever want posted about them.

Gandalf Parker

Billy

2006-06-26 18:55:36 UTC

Post by Terri
On 24 Jun 2006 01:42:53 GMT, Gandalf Parker

Like I said, there is a range to the membership. But I dont think the
ills of the group would be fixed by LV leaving,

The poor attendance certainly wouldn't. The group is basically dead and
probably always will be.

Post by Gandalf Parker
and someone else would
just have to step up to give the types of answers that we can count on
her volunteering to do.

Why on earth would you think there is a need for that? Fact is, by your own
admission, some of the trolls are here for LV. Others are here to "rile up
the the fat people" and get a lot of pleasure out of her angry replies.

You are supposed to be some kind of sage usenet oldbie, but you seem to have
missed one of the basic tenets of usenet in your long existence here. "Don't
feed the trolls."

Pretty lame if you are going to ignore an infinite truth like that in order
to defend her because you are friends with her. Everybody but the most
stupid of creatures knows that the only way a troll is going to get bored is
through attention deprivation. Nobody has ever run a troll off by flaming
them in the history of usenet. Usually they end up with more trolls joining
in.

You might as well just admit you are trying to spare her feelings and
letting her do the opposite of what she should be doing because the group is
dead anyway and it really couldn't get worse here. Being honest would make
you look a lot better.

Post by Terri
She is widely known on the newsgroups for her immature childish
behavior. Do a Goggle search sometime on Lady Veteran. You will get
thousands of hits.

I'm sure those searches don't result in mainly posts about what a hotheaded,
troll and or netkook you are.

Lady Veteran

2006-06-26 22:52:16 UTC

Post by Terri
On 24 Jun 2006 01:42:53 GMT, Gandalf Parker

Post by Gandalf Parker
I dont consider LV a shining example of our best representatives
:) (no offense LV) but in the wide range of regulars here I
consider her to be a member. And yes she seems to enjoy taking up
arms in response to posters she doesnt agree with. But I havent
seen too many that she fired off all barrels on for no reason.

Prime example, although Robin frequently responds to what she
perceives to be an anti-fat posting she is always a lady.
Conversely, LV who is definitely not a lady will jump in using
gutter language like a 13 year old boy who has just learned all
the bad words.

Like I said, there is a range to the membership. But I dont think
the ills of the group would be fixed by LV leaving,

The poor attendance certainly wouldn't. The group is basically dead
and probably always will be.

Post by Gandalf Parker
and someone else would
just have to step up to give the types of answers that we can
count on her volunteering to do.

Why on earth would you think there is a need for that? Fact is, by
your own admission, some of the trolls are here for LV. Others are
here to "rile up the the fat people" and get a lot of pleasure out
of her angry replies.
You are supposed to be some kind of sage usenet oldbie, but you seem
to have missed one of the basic tenets of usenet in your long
existence here. "Don't feed the trolls."
Pretty lame if you are going to ignore an infinite truth like that
in order to defend her because you are friends with her. Everybody
but the most stupid of creatures knows that the only way a troll is
going to get bored is through attention deprivation. Nobody has
ever run a troll off by flaming them in the history of usenet.
Usually they end up with more trolls joining in.
You might as well just admit you are trying to spare her feelings
and letting her do the opposite of what she should be doing because
the group is dead anyway and it really couldn't get worse here.
Being honest would make you look a lot better.

Post by Terri
She is widely known on the newsgroups for her immature childish
behavior. Do a Goggle search sometime on Lady Veteran. You will
get thousands of hits.

Dont ever do a search on me. It very nearly crashes the google
database. Both on web and groups searches. Even putting it as
"Gandalf Parker" with quotes and getting pretty much only pretty
much only links that mean me, is more than anyone should ever want
posted about them.

I'm sure those searches don't result in mainly posts about what a
hotheaded, troll and or netkook you are.

The first rule of Usenet may be "Don't feed the trolls," but the
second rule should be "Don't believe what idiots say about
you-always consider the source."

People who know me know my motives and the rest don't matter. You
will die of old age before I leave this group. Deal with it.

LV

I rode a tank and wore a General's rank-When the blitzkrieg raged and
the bodies stank.- - - Rolling Stones-Sympathy for the Devil

Billy

2006-06-29 13:13:47 UTC

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Post by Terri
On 24 Jun 2006 01:42:53 GMT, Gandalf Parker

Post by Gandalf Parker
I dont consider LV a shining example of our best representatives
:) (no offense LV) but in the wide range of regulars here I
consider her to be a member. And yes she seems to enjoy taking up
arms in response to posters she doesnt agree with. But I havent
seen too many that she fired off all barrels on for no reason.

Prime example, although Robin frequently responds to what she
perceives to be an anti-fat posting she is always a lady.
Conversely, LV who is definitely not a lady will jump in using
gutter language like a 13 year old boy who has just learned all
the bad words.

Like I said, there is a range to the membership. But I dont think
the ills of the group would be fixed by LV leaving,

The poor attendance certainly wouldn't. The group is basically dead
and probably always will be.

Post by Gandalf Parker
and someone else would
just have to step up to give the types of answers that we can
count on her volunteering to do.

Why on earth would you think there is a need for that? Fact is, by
your own admission, some of the trolls are here for LV. Others are
here to "rile up the the fat people" and get a lot of pleasure out
of her angry replies.
You are supposed to be some kind of sage usenet oldbie, but you seem
to have missed one of the basic tenets of usenet in your long
existence here. "Don't feed the trolls."
Pretty lame if you are going to ignore an infinite truth like that
in order to defend her because you are friends with her. Everybody
but the most stupid of creatures knows that the only way a troll is
going to get bored is through attention deprivation. Nobody has
ever run a troll off by flaming them in the history of usenet.
Usually they end up with more trolls joining in.
You might as well just admit you are trying to spare her feelings
and letting her do the opposite of what she should be doing because
the group is dead anyway and it really couldn't get worse here.
Being honest would make you look a lot better.

Post by Terri
She is widely known on the newsgroups for her immature childish
behavior. Do a Goggle search sometime on Lady Veteran. You will
get thousands of hits.

Dont ever do a search on me. It very nearly crashes the google
database. Both on web and groups searches. Even putting it as
"Gandalf Parker" with quotes and getting pretty much only pretty
much only links that mean me, is more than anyone should ever want
posted about them.

I'm sure those searches don't result in mainly posts about what a
hotheaded, troll and or netkook you are.

Nice rant. Thanks.

Gandalf Parker

2006-06-27 12:56:45 UTC

Post by Billy
Why on earth would you think there is a need for that? Fact is, by
your own admission, some of the trolls are here for LV. Others are
here to "rile up the the fat people" and get a lot of pleasure out of
her angry replies.
You are supposed to be some kind of sage usenet oldbie, but you seem
to have missed one of the basic tenets of usenet in your long
existence here. "Don't feed the trolls."

That would indeed be "old usenet". I do avoid feeding those types of trolls
here. And if LV wants to then thats fine (in my more regular newsgroups we
keep them as pets and trade them like baseball cards). But that doesnt
apply to the alt.troll players. Their agenda is different and old tactics
like kill-files just help them along.

Gandalf Parker

Billy

2006-06-29 13:12:51 UTC

That would indeed be "old usenet". I do avoid feeding those types of trolls
here.

Trolls are still the same.

Post by Gandalf Parker
And if LV wants to then thats fine (in my more regular newsgroups we
keep them as pets and trade them like baseball cards).

That kind of defeats her proclamation that she wants them gone.

Post by Gandalf Parker
But that doesnt
apply to the alt.troll players. Their agenda is different and old tactics
like kill-files just help them along.

That is quite silly sounding. Please explain how killfiling them "helps"
them.

Post by Gandalf Parker
Gandalf Parker

Gandalf Parker

2006-06-29 16:11:31 UTC

Post by Billy
Why on earth would you think there is a need for that? Fact is, by
your own admission, some of the trolls are here for LV. Others are
here to "rile up the the fat people" and get a lot of pleasure out
of her angry replies.
You are supposed to be some kind of sage usenet oldbie, but you seem
to have missed one of the basic tenets of usenet in your long
existence here. "Don't feed the trolls."

And if LV wants to then thats fine (in my more regular newsgroups we
keep them as pets and trade them like baseball cards).

That kind of defeats her proclamation that she wants them gone.

I dont think you understood that. The fat-acceptance group isnt the one I
referred to where trolls are considered pets. I referred to hacker groups
or gaming groups. This one is abit too serious for that type of fun.

Post by Gandalf Parker
But that doesnt
apply to the alt.troll players. Their agenda is different and old
tactics like kill-files just help them along.

That is quite silly sounding. Please explain how killfiling them
"helps" them.

Old usenet trolls were people who posted in order to get a reaction.
Adding those to the kill-file so that nobody sees their posts or responds
to their posts was a good recommendation.

Alt.troll players are more interested in killing a newsgroup. They sit in
a "dead" newsgroup and crosspost to many groups they feel shouldnt exist.
Their goal is to achieve over 75% of the traffic in a group so that a new
person cant see anything but crap. It also rolls the decent posts off of
servers faster. Adding those to the kill-file actually helps them. The
regulars dont see the newsgroup die. They see only a few on-subject posts
and wonder why new people come in, post, then never come back for the
answers.

Responding to alt.troll players helps them fill other groups with
garbage. BUT if you spot their "home group" in the crossposting and trim
it off, then that pisses them off. Better yet to trim it down to the
single group you are in so that they lose the thread they started unless
they actually bother to visit the newsgroup they are messing with.

Looking at the posts here you shouldnt have any problem spotting a real
troll from an alt.troll player working on their scoreboard.

Gandalf Parker

Daedalus

2006-06-29 17:05:53 UTC

On 29 Jun 2006 16:11:31 GMT, Gandalf Parker

Post by Billy
Why on earth would you think there is a need for that? Fact is, by
your own admission, some of the trolls are here for LV. Others are
here to "rile up the the fat people" and get a lot of pleasure out
of her angry replies.
You are supposed to be some kind of sage usenet oldbie, but you seem
to have missed one of the basic tenets of usenet in your long
existence here. "Don't feed the trolls."

And if LV wants to then thats fine (in my more regular newsgroups we
keep them as pets and trade them like baseball cards).

That kind of defeats her proclamation that she wants them gone.

"And if LV wants to then thats fine"

I think the point was that if she wants to respond to them she's going
to have to accept they will always be here.

Post by Gandalf Parker
But that doesnt
apply to the alt.troll players. Their agenda is different and old
tactics like kill-files just help them along.

That is quite silly sounding. Please explain how killfiling them
"helps" them.

Old usenet trolls were people who posted in order to get a reaction.
Adding those to the kill-file so that nobody sees their posts or responds
to their posts was a good recommendation.

It's still the best recommendation.

Post by Gandalf Parker
Alt.troll players are more interested in killing a newsgroup.

You realize I post to alt.troll? You're completely wrong. Trust me.

Post by Gandalf Parker
They sit in
a "dead" newsgroup and crosspost to many groups they feel shouldnt exist.

Some people at alt.troll will fiercely attack certain groups with the
goal of reaching smoking crater level, then move on.

The reasons for these attacks are not motivated by some divine
judgment about what groups deserve to exist, but by individuals in
those groups who act like idiots. In other words, netkkkops and
hotheads like Bobbi. The bigger the tantrum you throw, the more fun it
is and the harder they lean on the group.

Post by Gandalf Parker
Their goal is to achieve over 75% of the traffic in a group so that a new
person cant see anything but crap. It also rolls the decent posts off of
servers faster.

Wrong again. If that were the only goal they could just hipcrime flood
any group they wanted to do this to and have it accomplished in a day.

The goal is to torment the netkkkop or hothead and get groups fighting
amongst one another. The more angry responses, the more gratifying it
is.

Post by Gandalf Parker
Adding those to the kill-file actually helps them. The
regulars dont see the newsgroup die. They see only a few on-subject posts
and wonder why new people come in, post, then never come back for the
answers.

So how do you think not having them killfiled enables you to do
anything about it? The crossposts are going to be there whether you
see them or not.

Post by Gandalf Parker
Responding to alt.troll players helps them fill other groups with
garbage.

In other words, don't respond to them.

Post by Gandalf Parker
BUT if you spot their "home group" in the crossposting and trim
it off, then that pisses them off.

No it doesn't. soc.men have tried that stupid tactic for years now.

The best you get is that once in a while the crossposter forgets to
add the groups back in when responding.

Post by Gandalf Parker
Better yet to trim it down to the
single group you are in so that they lose the thread they started unless
they actually bother to visit the newsgroup they are messing with.

They are bothering to visit the group. Again, it's a tactic they are
familiar with.

Post by Gandalf Parker
Looking at the posts here you shouldnt have any problem spotting a real
troll from an alt.troll player working on their scoreboard.

I'm telling you straight out that Bobbi is the main reason any troll
comes here any more. You haven't noticed that the less frequently she
is here, the quieter it gets?

This group is already dead, usually no more than 12 new posts a day.
If that's alt.troll working on flooding them out, they're doing a
pretty pitiful job.

Her name is synonymous with gullible hothead in a lot of different
groups. People throw the occasional crosspost over here to see if they
can stir her up into a frenzy. I don't think at this piont you could
ever completely rid yourselves of it, but trolls are part of usenet
too. I just want to assure you that she is the entertainment and the
reason for a lot of the attention you get. If anybody quiets down
here, it's because they're bored with her stupidity and found someone
else to mess with. Her crusade is an utter failure.

Jade

Gandalf Parker

2006-06-30 13:05:27 UTC

Post by Daedalus
On 29 Jun 2006 16:11:31 GMT, Gandalf Parker

Post by Gandalf Parker
But that doesnt
apply to the alt.troll players. Their agenda is different and old
tactics like kill-files just help them along.

That is quite silly sounding. Please explain how killfiling them
"helps" them.

Old usenet trolls were people who posted in order to get a reaction.
Adding those to the kill-file so that nobody sees their posts or
responds to their posts was a good recommendation.

It's still the best recommendation.

You think that will stop I Jah Rastafari, Sweet Zombie Jesus, Mongolian
Death Worm from posting here? It might stop you but I doubt it would stop
them and their traffic is worse.

Post by Gandalf Parker
Alt.troll players are more interested in killing a newsgroup.

You realize I post to alt.troll? You're completely wrong. Trust me.

You think I dont? Your partially wrong, check again.

Post by Gandalf Parker
They sit in
a "dead" newsgroup and crosspost to many groups they feel shouldnt exist.

Some people at alt.troll will fiercely attack certain groups with the
goal of reaching smoking crater level, then move on.
The reasons for these attacks are not motivated by some divine
judgment about what groups deserve to exist, but by individuals in
those groups who act like idiots. In other words, netkkkops and
hotheads like Bobbi. The bigger the tantrum you throw, the more fun it
is and the harder they lean on the group.

I would never call it divine but its not always about netcops either. Its
also many crusades of "these people need a clue that they are wrong" and
"these people need to be forced to get out and get a life" or "these
people take this shit too seriously". If thats not passing judgement on a
newsgroup over just some individual in it then Im not sure what would be.

Post by Gandalf Parker
Their goal is to achieve over 75% of the traffic in a group so that a
new person cant see anything but crap. It also rolls the decent posts
off of servers faster.

Wrong again. If that were the only goal they could just hipcrime flood
any group they wanted to do this to and have it accomplished in a day.

Hipcrime is frowned on as the overkill of a weak mind. They see no
satisfaction in it.

Post by Daedalus
The goal is to torment the netkkkop or hothead and get groups fighting
amongst one another. The more angry responses, the more gratifying it
is.

So your image of the goal here is to turn us all against LV?

Post by Gandalf Parker
Adding those to the kill-file actually helps them. The
regulars dont see the newsgroup die. They see only a few on-subject
posts and wonder why new people come in, post, then never come back
for the answers.

So how do you think not having them killfiled enables you to do
anything about it? The crossposts are going to be there whether you
see them or not.

Ahhh so you feel we should all just killfile you and not see what you are
doing here?

Post by Gandalf Parker
Responding to alt.troll players helps them fill other groups with
garbage.

In other words, don't respond to them.

If you dont trim the groups down, yes.

Post by Gandalf Parker
BUT if you spot their "home group" in the crossposting and trim
it off, then that pisses them off.

No it doesn't. soc.men have tried that stupid tactic for years now.

It can have backlash. A number of alt-trollees have moved into that group
and now use it as the home-group they shower other groups from.

Post by Gandalf Parker
Better yet to trim it down to the
single group you are in so that they lose the thread they started
unless they actually bother to visit the newsgroup they are messing
with.

They are bothering to visit the group. Again, it's a tactic they are
familiar with.

Nothing ever stops anything, it can only make it harder. Thats true of
any rule, law, or enforcement.In this case, forcing them to visit dozens
of groups to play their game instead of sitting in one newsgroup and
working on all of them at once is definetly a workable action against
most of them.

Post by Gandalf Parker
Looking at the posts here you shouldnt have any problem spotting a
real troll from an alt.troll player working on their scoreboard.

I'm telling you straight out that Bobbi is the main reason any troll
comes here any more. You haven't noticed that the less frequently she
is here, the quieter it gets?

For real trolls that might be true. The ones that actually read and
respond to posts. Well actually those even arent "real" trolls since
originally a troll didnt post just for responses. More like kiddie-trolls
in training.

Post by Daedalus
This group is already dead, usually no more than 12 new posts a day.
If that's alt.troll working on flooding them out, they're doing a
pretty pitiful job.

Thats not the death of a newsgroup. A newsgroup can do fine with that
kind of traffic. Its only the death of a newsgroup if its buried in trash
so that new people cant see the real posts. And since your efforts at LV
are threaded, they dont have that effect.

Post by Daedalus
Her name is synonymous with gullible hothead in a lot of different
groups. People throw the occasional crosspost over here to see if they
can stir her up into a frenzy. I don't think at this piont you could
ever completely rid yourselves of it, but trolls are part of usenet
too. I just want to assure you that she is the entertainment and the
reason for a lot of the attention you get. If anybody quiets down
here, it's because they're bored with her stupidity and found someone
else to mess with. Her crusade is an utter failure.

Bullshit. That might be you in your various incarnations but you arent
the horror of this group that you seem to think you are.

I take that back. You mentioned entertainment and if anything I will
admit that a sock-puppet anonymous troll is entertainment between real
conversations.

Gandalf Parker

Daedalus

2006-06-30 14:53:38 UTC

On 30 Jun 2006 13:05:27 GMT, Gandalf Parker

Post by Daedalus
On 29 Jun 2006 16:11:31 GMT, Gandalf Parker

Post by Gandalf Parker
But that doesnt
apply to the alt.troll players. Their agenda is different and old
tactics like kill-files just help them along.

That is quite silly sounding. Please explain how killfiling them
"helps" them.

Old usenet trolls were people who posted in order to get a reaction.
Adding those to the kill-file so that nobody sees their posts or
responds to their posts was a good recommendation.

It's still the best recommendation.

You think that will stop I Jah Rastafari, Sweet Zombie Jesus, Mongolian
Death Worm from posting here?

Maybe not entirely, but they'd probably post less. If no one gets
upset at them for posting their anti-fat messages, there really isn't
much point, is there?

Post by Gandalf Parker
It might stop you but I doubt it would stop
them and their traffic is worse.

Stop me from what? I haven't posted much here for the better part of a
year. Once I got bored with poking Bobbi, there wasn't much point. I
check back once in a while just to see if she's in a tizzy.

Post by Gandalf Parker
Alt.troll players are more interested in killing a newsgroup.

You realize I post to alt.troll? You're completely wrong. Trust me.

You think I dont? Your partially wrong, check again.

Post by Gandalf Parker
They sit in
a "dead" newsgroup and crosspost to many groups they feel shouldnt exist.

Some people at alt.troll will fiercely attack certain groups with the
goal of reaching smoking crater level, then move on.
The reasons for these attacks are not motivated by some divine
judgment about what groups deserve to exist, but by individuals in
those groups who act like idiots. In other words, netkkkops and
hotheads like Bobbi. The bigger the tantrum you throw, the more fun it
is and the harder they lean on the group.

That's exactly it. You said they decide a group shouldn't exist. I
said the attacks are caused because of individuals, not groups. Sounds
like you're now agreeing with me.

Post by Gandalf Parker
Their goal is to achieve over 75% of the traffic in a group so that a
new person cant see anything but crap. It also rolls the decent posts
off of servers faster.

Wrong again. If that were the only goal they could just hipcrime flood
any group they wanted to do this to and have it accomplished in a day.

Hipcrime is frowned on as the overkill of a weak mind. They see no
satisfaction in it.

There is no satisfaction in killing a group with a flood of crossposts
either. The goal is to piss people off. Bobbi gets pissed off. Are you
able to make the connection yet?

Post by Daedalus
The goal is to torment the netkkkop or hothead and get groups fighting
amongst one another. The more angry responses, the more gratifying it
is.

So your image of the goal here is to turn us all against LV?

I see why you're a Fat Acceptor. Trouble understanding what people
write and making huge leaps to conclusion are standard requirements.

Bobbi gets angry. Trolls think that's funny. It's really pretty
simple.

Post by Gandalf Parker
Adding those to the kill-file actually helps them. The
regulars dont see the newsgroup die. They see only a few on-subject
posts and wonder why new people come in, post, then never come back
for the answers.

So how do you think not having them killfiled enables you to do
anything about it? The crossposts are going to be there whether you
see them or not.

Ahhh so you feel we should all just killfile you and not see what you are
doing here?

I don't really give a shit what you do. Frankly, I think people that
use killfiles are weaklings. The only thing I'm saying is if you're
unhappy with a troll problem, stop responding to them.

Post by Gandalf Parker
Responding to alt.troll players helps them fill other groups with
garbage.

In other words, don't respond to them.

If you dont trim the groups down, yes.

It doesn't matter. You're still encouraging them to post more.

Post by Gandalf Parker
BUT if you spot their "home group" in the crossposting and trim
it off, then that pisses them off.

No it doesn't. soc.men have tried that stupid tactic for years now.

It can have backlash. A number of alt-trollees have moved into that group
and now use it as the home-group they shower other groups from.

I know. I'm the reason they did that. I kindly invited them to come
join the party. It's worked out really well so far.

Post by Gandalf Parker
Better yet to trim it down to the
single group you are in so that they lose the thread they started
unless they actually bother to visit the newsgroup they are messing
with.

They are bothering to visit the group. Again, it's a tactic they are
familiar with.

It's misguided and ineffective. But since you seem to think you know
more than I about trolls, you feel free to discount my opinion.

Post by Gandalf Parker
Looking at the posts here you shouldnt have any problem spotting a
real troll from an alt.troll player working on their scoreboard.

I'm telling you straight out that Bobbi is the main reason any troll
comes here any more. You haven't noticed that the less frequently she
is here, the quieter it gets?

Look, I see you have no interest in listening to what I have to say.
That's fine. You seemed like a reasonable guy, so I thought I would
interject since I have first hand knowledge of the situation.

Post by Daedalus
This group is already dead, usually no more than 12 new posts a day.
If that's alt.troll working on flooding them out, they're doing a
pretty pitiful job.

Thats not the death of a newsgroup. A newsgroup can do fine with that
kind of traffic. Its only the death of a newsgroup if its buried in trash
so that new people cant see the real posts.

I don't know what planet your on. A dead newsgroup is a dead
newsgroup, abandoned, empty.

Flooding a newsgroup might kill it, but no troll has the goal of
maintaining an eternal post flood so new people can't read it.

Post by Gandalf Parker
And since your efforts at LV
are threaded, they dont have that effect.

I don't know why you keep referring to me. Just because I know what's
going on here doesn't mean I'm part of it.

Bullshit.

Heh. That's what I figured you'd say. Good. Now I get to say I told
you so later on.

Post by Gandalf Parker
That might be you in your various incarnations but you arent
the horror of this group that you seem to think you are.

Again we're talking about me. Idiot. You're dealing with several
people here, none of which are me.

Post by Gandalf Parker
I take that back. You mentioned entertainment and if anything I will
admit that a sock-puppet anonymous troll is entertainment between real
conversations.

I love it when they get self righteous:)

One thing I've learned about usenet is that no matter where you go,
people are equally stubborn, gullible and arrogant. Exploiting those
traits is the key to endless fun.

Jade

Daedalus

2006-07-05 12:58:44 UTC

Post by Daedalus
On 30 Jun 2006 13:05:27 GMT, Gandalf Parker

Post by Daedalus
On 29 Jun 2006 16:11:31 GMT, Gandalf Parker

Post by Gandalf Parker
But that doesnt
apply to the alt.troll players. Their agenda is different and old
tactics like kill-files just help them along.

That is quite silly sounding. Please explain how killfiling them
"helps" them.

Old usenet trolls were people who posted in order to get a reaction.
Adding those to the kill-file so that nobody sees their posts or
responds to their posts was a good recommendation.

It's still the best recommendation.

You think that will stop I Jah Rastafari, Sweet Zombie Jesus, Mongolian
Death Worm from posting here?

Maybe not entirely, but they'd probably post less. If no one gets
upset at them for posting their anti-fat messages, there really isn't
much point, is there?

Post by Gandalf Parker
It might stop you but I doubt it would stop
them and their traffic is worse.

Stop me from what? I haven't posted much here for the better part of a
year. Once I got bored with poking Bobbi, there wasn't much point. I
check back once in a while just to see if she's in a tizzy.

Post by Gandalf Parker
Alt.troll players are more interested in killing a newsgroup.

You realize I post to alt.troll? You're completely wrong. Trust me.

You think I dont? Your partially wrong, check again.

Post by Gandalf Parker
They sit in
a "dead" newsgroup and crosspost to many groups they feel shouldnt exist.

Some people at alt.troll will fiercely attack certain groups with the
goal of reaching smoking crater level, then move on.
The reasons for these attacks are not motivated by some divine
judgment about what groups deserve to exist, but by individuals in
those groups who act like idiots. In other words, netkkkops and
hotheads like Bobbi. The bigger the tantrum you throw, the more fun it
is and the harder they lean on the group.

That's exactly it. You said they decide a group shouldn't exist. I
said the attacks are caused because of individuals, not groups. Sounds
like you're now agreeing with me.

Post by Gandalf Parker
Their goal is to achieve over 75% of the traffic in a group so that a
new person cant see anything but crap. It also rolls the decent posts
off of servers faster.

Wrong again. If that were the only goal they could just hipcrime flood
any group they wanted to do this to and have it accomplished in a day.

Hipcrime is frowned on as the overkill of a weak mind. They see no
satisfaction in it.

There is no satisfaction in killing a group with a flood of crossposts
either. The goal is to piss people off. Bobbi gets pissed off. Are you
able to make the connection yet?

Post by Daedalus
The goal is to torment the netkkkop or hothead and get groups fighting
amongst one another. The more angry responses, the more gratifying it
is.

So your image of the goal here is to turn us all against LV?

I see why you're a Fat Acceptor. Trouble understanding what people
write and making huge leaps to conclusion are standard requirements.
Bobbi gets angry. Trolls think that's funny. It's really pretty
simple.

Post by Gandalf Parker
Adding those to the kill-file actually helps them. The
regulars dont see the newsgroup die. They see only a few on-subject
posts and wonder why new people come in, post, then never come back
for the answers.

So how do you think not having them killfiled enables you to do
anything about it? The crossposts are going to be there whether you
see them or not.

Ahhh so you feel we should all just killfile you and not see what you are
doing here?

I don't really give a shit what you do. Frankly, I think people that
use killfiles are weaklings. The only thing I'm saying is if you're
unhappy with a troll problem, stop responding to them.

Post by Gandalf Parker
Responding to alt.troll players helps them fill other groups with
garbage.

In other words, don't respond to them.

If you dont trim the groups down, yes.

It doesn't matter. You're still encouraging them to post more.

Post by Gandalf Parker
BUT if you spot their "home group" in the crossposting and trim
it off, then that pisses them off.

No it doesn't. soc.men have tried that stupid tactic for years now.

It can have backlash. A number of alt-trollees have moved into that group
and now use it as the home-group they shower other groups from.

I know. I'm the reason they did that. I kindly invited them to come
join the party. It's worked out really well so far.

Post by Gandalf Parker
Better yet to trim it down to the
single group you are in so that they lose the thread they started
unless they actually bother to visit the newsgroup they are messing
with.

They are bothering to visit the group. Again, it's a tactic they are
familiar with.

It's misguided and ineffective. But since you seem to think you know
more than I about trolls, you feel free to discount my opinion.

Post by Gandalf Parker
Looking at the posts here you shouldnt have any problem spotting a
real troll from an alt.troll player working on their scoreboard.

I'm telling you straight out that Bobbi is the main reason any troll
comes here any more. You haven't noticed that the less frequently she
is here, the quieter it gets?

Look, I see you have no interest in listening to what I have to say.
That's fine. You seemed like a reasonable guy, so I thought I would
interject since I have first hand knowledge of the situation.

Post by Daedalus
This group is already dead, usually no more than 12 new posts a day.
If that's alt.troll working on flooding them out, they're doing a
pretty pitiful job.

Thats not the death of a newsgroup. A newsgroup can do fine with that
kind of traffic. Its only the death of a newsgroup if its buried in trash
so that new people cant see the real posts.

I don't know what planet your on. A dead newsgroup is a dead
newsgroup, abandoned, empty.
Flooding a newsgroup might kill it, but no troll has the goal of
maintaining an eternal post flood so new people can't read it.

Post by Gandalf Parker
And since your efforts at LV
are threaded, they dont have that effect.

I don't know why you keep referring to me. Just because I know what's
going on here doesn't mean I'm part of it.

Bullshit.

Heh. That's what I figured you'd say. Good. Now I get to say I told
you so later on.

Post by Gandalf Parker
That might be you in your various incarnations but you arent
the horror of this group that you seem to think you are.

Again we're talking about me. Idiot. You're dealing with several
people here, none of which are me.

Post by Gandalf Parker
I take that back. You mentioned entertainment and if anything I will
admit that a sock-puppet anonymous troll is entertainment between real
conversations.

I love it when they get self righteous:)
One thing I've learned about usenet is that no matter where you go,
people are equally stubborn, gullible and arrogant. Exploiting those
traits is the key to endless fun.
Jade

Clearly the discussion is over. YOu have no interest in listening to
my opinoins. I'd like you to acknowledge that you read this post
however, so that you cannot deny having seen it later on.

Stop saying I am trolling ssfa. I mean it.

None of these people are socks of mine and you are defaming me without
proof. I have always tried to be respectful of you.

Jade

Gandalf Parker

2006-07-05 13:41:19 UTC

Post by Daedalus
Clearly the discussion is over. YOu have no interest in listening to
my opinoins. I'd like you to acknowledge that you read this post
however, so that you cannot deny having seen it later on.

I dont keep up with the conversations well when they get this long. This
isnt my "home newsgroup" but more of an occassional stopover.

Post by Daedalus
Stop saying I am trolling ssfa. I mean it.

And alt.music.sultans-of-ping is.....?
To me it seems to be the one of the best examples Ive ever seen of an
alt.troll home.

Post by Daedalus
None of these people are socks of mine and you are defaming me without
proof. I have always tried to be respectful of you.

I will admit that its abit of a fallback defense for me. Altho generally
anyone who uses anonymous posting to be able to violate newsgroup
charters ends up with the added stigma that anyone can be them and they
can be anyone. You come close to maintaining a real personae but you have
to non-humbly admit that you are well above the average user/abuser. I
would say as much as the top 5%.

In fact, if I were playing the game myself I might even make the
insinuation that you are equally as high a level player as Lady Vet is a
high level target. Are you sure that you arent.... umm... never mind. I
said I wasnt playing. >;)
(Im sorry, that was bad. Just a slip)

Gandalf Parker

Daedalus

2006-07-05 15:53:07 UTC

On 05 Jul 2006 13:41:19 GMT, Gandalf Parker

Post by Daedalus
Stop saying I am trolling ssfa. I mean it.

And alt.music.sultans-of-ping is.....?

An abandoned group I inhabited. I've told you that before.

Noone had posted there for two years before I arrived.

Post by Gandalf Parker
To me it seems to be the one of the best examples Ive ever seen of an
alt.troll home.

You could probably make a case for that if it weren't for the fact
that alt.troll has zero to do with me posting to amsop. I'm just
keeping track of conversations on my occasional stopovers so that I
don't miss out on anything like you were just saying.

Post by Daedalus
None of these people are socks of mine and you are defaming me without
proof. I have always tried to be respectful of you.

Again you are making ridiculous assumptions about me. I'm posting
anonymously because only total idiots reveal personal information
about themselves online.

Post by Gandalf Parker
ou come close to maintaining a real personae but you have
to non-humbly admit that you are well above the average user/abuser. I
would say as much as the top 5%.

I don't even know what this means. A nebulous insinuation with a
nebulous percentage. It makes no sense at all.

Post by Gandalf Parker
In fact, if I were playing the game myself I might even make the
insinuation that you are equally as high a level player as Lady Vet is a
high level target.

Sounds like paranoia to me.

Post by Gandalf Parker
Are you sure that you arent.... umm... never mind. I
said I wasnt playing. >;)
(Im sorry, that was bad. Just a slip)
Gandalf Parker

Whatever. The point is that I'm not here when I'm not here. I'll tell
you straight up if I'm trying to waste a group. I don't like people
using my name when I'm not involved.

I appreciate your understanding.

Jade

Gandalf Parker

2006-07-05 23:25:02 UTC

Post by Gandalf Parker
I will admit that its abit of a fallback defense for me. Altho generally
anyone who uses anonymous posting to be able to violate newsgroup
charters ends up with the added stigma that anyone can be them and they
can be anyone.

Again you are making ridiculous assumptions about me. I'm posting
anonymously because only total idiots reveal personal information
about themselves online.

And you call me paranoid. Just about everything about me is available
online and has been for as long as the net has been around. In fact you can
do a query of me to the same whois database that provides answers about
domain names to get my house address and phone number.

Most white-hat hackers and security people arent real worried about such
things. There are some items you dont post online but not nearly so many as
the scare-mongers preach on.

Do you have an alarm system on your house, and a sign in the yard saying
that you do? Thats a bad info move by the way.

Gandalf Parker

unknown

2006-07-06 00:12:20 UTC

On 05 Jul 2006 23:25:02 GMT, Gandalf Parker

Again you are making ridiculous assumptions about me. I'm posting
anonymously because only total idiots reveal personal information
about themselves online.

And you call me paranoid. Just about everything about me is available
online and has been for as long as the net has been around. In fact you can
do a query of me to the same whois database that provides answers about
domain names to get my house address and phone number.
Most white-hat hackers and security people arent real worried about such
things. There are some items you dont post online but not nearly so many as
the scare-mongers preach on.
Do you have an alarm system on your house, and a sign in the yard saying
that you do? Thats a bad info move by the way.
Gandalf Parker

Gandalf, in regard to posting one's personal information on the net.
You do realize, I'm sure , that in Lady Veterans's case it was she,
herself, that posted way too much personal info about herself.

She posted about her car being repoed. It was she that posted
extremely derogatory statements about the car agency that was
involved. It was her that posted about her being evicted for
non-payment of rent. It was she that posted about her failure to get
the priests to give her money. She, herself, posted her racial
preferences that resulted in a lot feedback to her. It was she that
posted her negative feelings about Air Force Pilots that resulted in
her receiving angry responses. Etc.
Had she never put all this personal info on the net so many strangers
would not be aware of her personal problems

For someone to post their personal information the net is very unwise.
When Lady Veteran was asked why she posted so much of her personal
business on the net she replied that at the time she didn't know any
better.

Jason

Gandalf Parker

2006-07-06 12:33:15 UTC

Post by unknown
Had she never put all this personal info on the net so many strangers
would not be aware of her personal problems
For someone to post their personal information the net is very unwise.
When Lady Veteran was asked why she posted so much of her personal
business on the net she replied that at the time she didn't know any
better.

Ive posted equally as much about my own life. And have gotten some flack
back about it. Im not sure if the ammount of ammunition is generally a
factor in such things.

Maybes its because Ive been net since before it was called internet but
being sociable on the net is something I would rather see work. But I guess
there might be an argument that the virtual world was bound to treat that
about the same as the real world does. *sigh*

Gandalf Parker

Robert Johnson

2006-07-06 20:25:38 UTC

On 06 Jul 2006 12:33:15 GMT, Gandalf Parker

Ive posted equally as much about my own life. And have gotten some flack
back about it. Im not sure if the ammount of ammunition is generally a
factor in such things.
Maybes its because Ive been net since before it was called internet but
being sociable on the net is something I would rather see work. But I guess
there might be an argument that the virtual world was bound to treat that
about the same as the real world does. *sigh*
Gandalf Parker

Well Gandalf, I have also used the net when it was still called ARPA
and was text only and was navigated with UNIX commands. Actually
there was less familiarly between ARPA and today's WWW as there is
between a brand new Lamborghini and a 1905 Oldsmobile. (Merry
Oldsmobile)

Its usage was not even open to the general public as I am sure you
already know.

My first frequent personal use of anything similar to today's Usenet
was with the old RIME network using dial-up BBS's to up and down load
the inputs. The RIME network had a number of Forums. My favorite
was one named Remember When was where people shared memories of
happening and events that occurred in their lives be they recent or
distant.

There was a great camaraderie among these folks. There was even some
on-line romances that ended in marriage that we could all see progress
as the messages came across the screen. For the benefit of those not
familiar with computer use in that era - It ran on DOS utilizing a
third party software that allowed one dial up a participating BBS and
download that days copy of RIME. Then we went off line, read and
responded to the messages as we saw fit and then back on line with the
BBS to upload.

Everyone was always polite, courteous, and thoughtful of the other
members. The Subscribers to Remember When even had a yearly party in
New York City where they could meet the folks they had been
communicating with.

Really have some fond memories of that period. I never came across
any poster such as Lady Veteran that was so hate filled and spiteful
that they reveled in critiquing others posting and rudely informing
them that their most recent message was not pertinent to Remember When
and to desist from further postings.

It wasn't until after that WWW and Windows came onto the scene that
these natural born trolls came on to muddy up the clear waters.

Robert Johnson

Gandalf Parker

2006-07-06 21:19:19 UTC

Post by Robert Johnson
On 06 Jul 2006 12:33:15 GMT, Gandalf Parker

Post by unknown
For someone to post their personal information the net is very
unwise. When Lady Veteran was asked why she posted so much of her
personal business on the net she replied that at the time she didn't
know any better.

Ive posted equally as much about my own life. And have gotten some
flack back about it. Im not sure if the ammount of ammunition is
generally a factor in such things.

It wasn't until after that WWW and Windows came onto the scene that
these natural born trolls came on to muddy up the clear waters.
Robert Johnson

Oh I think the natural born trolls were always there. What we used to
call a troll was someone whose posts always caused arguments. They were
users just like the rest of us, just very adversarial.

But I do understand your comments about the changes. I liked the BBS
days. Eventually its predicted that the internet should come full circle
and people will create "local communities" again. Altho its expected that
"local" will have evolved abit from purely real-world geology.

Here is something I wrote back when XBoxs first came out:
It used to be that you had to learn DOS to get to and learn UNIX to get
to and learn Internet. We had some rude people but no stupid ones. Then
Windows created "user friendly" connections and we got "users" who could
only use a computer but knew nothing about it. Then AOL created
foolproof connections for those who couldnt figure out Windows and we
got fools. Then WebTV created idiot-proof connections and it seems to be
doing a great job of it. Now we have Xbox's connecting to the net but Ive
run out of words.

Gandalf Parker

Lady Veteran

2006-07-01 01:41:01 UTC

Post by Daedalus
On 29 Jun 2006 16:11:31 GMT, Gandalf Parker

Post by Gandalf Parker
But that doesnt
apply to the alt.troll players. Their agenda is different and
old tactics like kill-files just help them along.

That is quite silly sounding. Please explain how killfiling them
"helps" them.

Old usenet trolls were people who posted in order to get a
reaction. Adding those to the kill-file so that nobody sees their
posts or responds to their posts was a good recommendation.

It's still the best recommendation.

You think that will stop I Jah Rastafari, Sweet Zombie Jesus,
Mongolian Death Worm from posting here? It might stop you but I
doubt it would stop them and their traffic is worse.

Post by Gandalf Parker
Alt.troll players are more interested in killing a newsgroup.

You realize I post to alt.troll? You're completely wrong. Trust me.

You think I dont? Your partially wrong, check again.

Post by Gandalf Parker
They sit in
a "dead" newsgroup and crosspost to many groups they feel shouldnt exist.

Some people at alt.troll will fiercely attack certain groups with
the goal of reaching smoking crater level, then move on.
The reasons for these attacks are not motivated by some divine
judgment about what groups deserve to exist, but by individuals in
those groups who act like idiots. In other words, netkkkops and
hotheads like Bobbi. The bigger the tantrum you throw, the more
fun it is and the harder they lean on the group.

I would never call it divine but its not always about netcops
either. Its also many crusades of "these people need a clue that
they are wrong" and "these people need to be forced to get out and
get a life" or "these people take this shit too seriously". If
thats not passing judgement on a newsgroup over just some
individual in it then Im not sure what would be.

Post by Gandalf Parker
Their goal is to achieve over 75% of the traffic in a group so
that a new person cant see anything but crap. It also rolls the
decent posts off of servers faster.

Wrong again. If that were the only goal they could just hipcrime
flood any group they wanted to do this to and have it accomplished
in a day.

Hipcrime is frowned on as the overkill of a weak mind. They see no
satisfaction in it.

Post by Daedalus
The goal is to torment the netkkkop or hothead and get groups
fighting amongst one another. The more angry responses, the more
gratifying it is.

So your image of the goal here is to turn us all against LV?

Post by Gandalf Parker
Adding those to the kill-file actually helps them. The
regulars dont see the newsgroup die. They see only a few
on-subject posts and wonder why new people come in, post, then
never come back for the answers.

So how do you think not having them killfiled enables you to do
anything about it? The crossposts are going to be there whether
you see them or not.

Ahhh so you feel we should all just killfile you and not see what
you are doing here?

Post by Gandalf Parker
Responding to alt.troll players helps them fill other groups with
garbage.

In other words, don't respond to them.

If you dont trim the groups down, yes.

Post by Gandalf Parker
BUT if you spot their "home group" in the crossposting and trim
it off, then that pisses them off.

No it doesn't. soc.men have tried that stupid tactic for years now.

It can have backlash. A number of alt-trollees have moved into that
group and now use it as the home-group they shower other groups
from.

Post by Gandalf Parker
Better yet to trim it down to the
single group you are in so that they lose the thread they started
unless they actually bother to visit the newsgroup they are
messing with.

They are bothering to visit the group. Again, it's a tactic they
are familiar with.

Nothing ever stops anything, it can only make it harder. Thats true
of any rule, law, or enforcement.In this case, forcing them to
visit dozens of groups to play their game instead of sitting in one
newsgroup and working on all of them at once is definetly a
workable action against most of them.

Post by Gandalf Parker
Looking at the posts here you shouldnt have any problem spotting a
real troll from an alt.troll player working on their scoreboard.

I'm telling you straight out that Bobbi is the main reason any
troll comes here any more. You haven't noticed that the less
frequently she is here, the quieter it gets?

Post by Daedalus
This group is already dead, usually no more than 12 new posts a
day. If that's alt.troll working on flooding them out, they're
doing a pretty pitiful job.

Thats not the death of a newsgroup. A newsgroup can do fine with
that kind of traffic. Its only the death of a newsgroup if its
buried in trash so that new people cant see the real posts. And
since your efforts at LV are threaded, they dont have that effect.

Post by Daedalus
Her name is synonymous with gullible hothead in a lot of different
groups. People throw the occasional crosspost over here to see if
they can stir her up into a frenzy. I don't think at this piont
you could ever completely rid yourselves of it, but trolls are
part of usenet too. I just want to assure you that she is the
entertainment and the reason for a lot of the attention you get.
If anybody quiets down here, it's because they're bored with her
stupidity and found someone else to mess with. Her crusade is an
utter failure.

Bullshit. That might be you in your various incarnations but you
arent the horror of this group that you seem to think you are.
I take that back. You mentioned entertainment and if anything I will
admit that a sock-puppet anonymous troll is entertainment between
real conversations.
Gandalf Parker

This particular troll doesn't even know who it is half the time. It
points fingers at me to give it a reason to exist. If I were not it
would lose its purpose to live.

LV

I rode a tank and wore a General's rank-When the blitzkrieg raged and
the bodies stank.- - - Rolling Stones-Sympathy for the Devil

Robin King

2006-06-27 23:52:54 UTC

"Terri" <***@legend.net> wrote in message news:***@4ax.com...
| Apparently, you do realize that she is a loose cannon And she has
| went off on posters for no reason at all. A newbie will come here
and
| post how they managed to lose some weight and she will come on like
| gangbusters to tell them to get off of HER news group.

There are plenty of groups and mailing lists dedicated to
weight loss. This group is not. Why is it that Lady Veteran
understands this concept and so many others don't?

| It is not to be expected that everyone who posts here will be in
| agreement. The other person should answer back in a civilized
manner
| and most of them do.

If people wish to debate fat acceptance, they are perfectly
free to create a newsgroup for that purpose. If they wish to chat
about getting along in a fat-hating world as a fat person, well,
that's what this group is here for. When did "support" come to
mean "debate", anyway?

| Prime example, although Robin frequently responds to what she
| perceives to be an anti-fat posting she is always a lady.
| Conversely, LV who is definitely not a lady will jump in using
gutter
| language like a 13 year old boy who has just learned all the bad
| words.

I have seen lots of trolls here who use gutter language
and don't get called on it.

| Even if LV has a valid point it is smothered out by her rudeness and
| crude low class manner. People will focus on her trashy gutter
level
| lingo and her argument will be lost. Most often there are no
| counter-points, only filthy ghetto language. Typically when she is
| called down for inappropriate language she responds by showing she
| also knows some more dirty words.

If something is obvious to her, (e.g., that support means
support
and not debate) she assumes it is obvious to anyone with adequate
reading ability..

| She does the fat-acceptance folks no favor by appointing herself to
be
| their spokesperson.

She's no more a spokesperson than I am. She does expect
more of people than I do, however.
There's a difference, I believe, between those of us who've
grown up fat (like me), and those who've gotten fat in later years.
Many of the latter compare their treatment before and after, and
get angrier at what they see as an inexplicable superficial hostility.
With the former, they don't like it either, but it is seen as consis-
tent and somehow deserved.

| She is widely known on the newsgroups for her immature childish
| behavior. Do a Goggle search sometime on Lady Veteran. You will
get
| thousands of hits.

People poke at her, she pokes back. Happens all the time
on Usenet.

| Terri
|
| >
| >I also dont agree that the trolls are here for her. A couple are,
but they
| >arent a bother. The flooders arent flooding for LV

Gandalf's right. There have been trolls on this group from
day one, years before LV happened by.

| >Gandalf Parker

Robin

Michael Jackson's Gay Lover

2006-06-24 08:48:16 UTC

Post by Terri
On 22 Jun 2006 13:58:42 GMT, Gandalf Parker

Post by Mike Bohn
What has happened to this group??? It used to be a safe place, now
it's full of spammers and fat-haters.

Thats about it. Usually when a newsgroup is garbage-filled its the
work of players from alt.troll but in this case it actually seems to
be dedicated trashers with a vendetta.
Its just the fad of the day. Im afraid that for another few years fat-
bashing will be the "accepted norm" from the skinny minority.
Gandalf Parker

Is it possible that LV is suffering from an over abundance of sexually
specific hormones, thus causing excess pressure on her rectal-cranial
nerve endings? Michael Jackson has that problem in between monkeys and
little boys. He deals with it by having regular enemas every half hour
and liberal applications of manpons, or whatever else he can use for a
cork.

Lady Veteran

2006-06-25 03:58:07 UTC

Post by Terri
On 22 Jun 2006 13:58:42 GMT, Gandalf Parker

Post by Mike Bohn
What has happened to this group??? It used to be a safe place,
now it's full of spammers and fat-haters.

Thats about it. Usually when a newsgroup is garbage-filled its the
work of players from alt.troll but in this case it actually seems
to be dedicated trashers with a vendetta.
Its just the fad of the day. Im afraid that for another few years
fat- bashing will be the "accepted norm" from the skinny minority.
Gandalf Parker

This is a poster child for abortion telling me that I am out of place
here. I have been here since June 2001. I will be here long after
someone decides that the world is better off without this idiot and
drops it off in Iraq. Let it annoy them for awhile.

Post by Terri
The she proclaims that she has the right to dictate who will post
and what they will post. She acts like some kind of two bit
dictator.

Not at all. I demand a whole Dollar, dumb ass.

Post by Terri
It should be totally understandable to all that opinions will
differ. Some may be accepting of some who are obese but not morbidly
obese.
Some may be accept of the morbidly obese if there are not of huge,
gigantic proportions of say 500 or 600 pounds. Then some believe
that someone of 300 lbs are not doing enough to control their
weight. A
few may proclaim that a slim movie starlet figure is within easy
reach of all. Some believe that many fat people do eat too much and
exercise too little.

You are as tolerant as Hitler at a bar mitzvah.

Post by Terri
It varies, but not LV's line of thought. She obviously has a
problem dealing with people. Someone, some time ago made mention
that she
often changes jobs. That is understandable for someone that cannot
get along with people.

Awwww. I have an "A" in citizenship. Neener, neener!

Post by Terri
Some are sympathetic of the fat persons plight and offer advice on
what works for them. Lady Veteran will really go off on these
people. She has even made the statement here that the issue of
weight control is not even open to question or debate. That is
beyond being
ridiculous.

There is not idiot here that fits that description. That is why they
are idiots.

Post by Terri
Of course that are insulted by her and of course she has alienated
them. She bestows upon them "enemy status" and they respond
accordingly.

Were you born backwards or did you work at it?

Post by Terri
But saving the most pertinent for the last. It is not the fat
people that many posters here have an issue with, it is Lady
Veteran. By
this point in time they have came to realize that if they want to
"get to her" post something anti fat and they will have "gotten her"

Awwww. I am glad to see that I am your reason for existing.

Post by Terri
Its as simple as that.

You are pretty damn simple.

Post by Terri
The nature and tone of her posts make her come across as someone
from the very lowest social strata.

Right above your trailer trash?

Post by Terri
Terri

Boy, I need to quit being such a good sport.

LV

I rode a tank and wore a General's rank-When the blitzkrieg raged and
the bodies stank.- - - Rolling Stones-Sympathy for the Devil

unknown

2006-06-25 06:04:05 UTC

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Post by Terri
On 22 Jun 2006 13:58:42 GMT, Gandalf Parker

Post by Mike Bohn
What has happened to this group??? It used to be a safe place,
now it's full of spammers and fat-haters.

Thats about it. Usually when a newsgroup is garbage-filled its the
work of players from alt.troll but in this case it actually seems
to be dedicated trashers with a vendetta.
Its just the fad of the day. Im afraid that for another few years
fat- bashing will be the "accepted norm" from the skinny minority.
Gandalf Parker

Post by Terri
The she proclaims that she has the right to dictate who will post
and what they will post. She acts like some kind of two bit
dictator.

Not at all. I demand a whole Dollar, dumb ass.

What you get a dollar for is something entirely different.
Question - How helpful is street walking in keeping the pounds off.
Observation - It appears that most street walkers are not porkers.

You are as tolerant as Hitler at a bar mitzvah.

I see that you often mention Hitler. Is he your idol?

Awwww. I have an "A" in citizenship. Neener, neener!

Mexican citizenship?

There is not idiot here that fits that description. That is why they
are idiots.

Post by Terri
Of course that are insulted by her and of course she has alienated
them. She bestows upon them "enemy status" and they respond
accordingly.

Were you born backwards or did you work at it?

Post by Terri
But saving the most pertinent for the last. It is not the fat
people that many posters here have an issue with, it is Lady
Veteran. By
this point in time they have came to realize that if they want to
"get to her" post something anti fat and they will have "gotten her"

Awwww. I am glad to see that I am your reason for existing.

Post by Terri
Its as simple as that.

You are pretty damn simple.

Post by Terri
The nature and tone of her posts make her come across as someone
from the very lowest social strata.

Right above your trailer trash?

How's your Homies doing?

Turth B Known

Post by Terri
Terri

Boy, I need to quit being such a good sport.
LV

Lady Veteran

2006-06-29 15:04:24 UTC

Operation removes lightbulb from anus

MULTAN, Pakistan (Reuters) - Fateh Mohammad, a prison inmate in
Pakistan, says he woke up last weekend with a glass lightbulb in his
anus.

Wednesday night, doctors brought Mohammad's misery to an end after a
one-and-a-half hour operation to remove the object.

"Thanks Allah, now I feel comfort. Today, I had my breakfast. I was
just drinking water, nothing else," Mohammad, a grey-beared man in his
mid-40s, told Reuters from a hospital bed in the southern central city
of Multan.

"We had to take it out intact," said Dr. Farrukh Aftab at Nishtar
Hospital. "Had it been broken inside, it would be a very very
complicated situation."

Mohammad, who is serving a four-year sentence for making liquor,
prohibited for Muslims, said he was shocked when he was first told the
cause of his discomfort. He swears he didn't know the bulb was there.

"When I woke up I felt a pain in my lower abdomen, but later in
hospital, they told me this," Mohammad said.

"I don't know who did this to me. Police or other prisoners."

The doctor treating Mohammad said he'd never encountered anything like
it before, and doubted the felon's story that someone had drugged him
and inserted the bulb while he was comatose.

unknown

2006-06-29 16:10:19 UTC

On 29 Jun 2006 08:04:24 -0700, "Lady Veteran"

Post by Lady Veteran
Operation removes lightbulb from anus
MULTAN, Pakistan (Reuters) - Fateh Mohammad, a prison inmate in
Pakistan, says he woke up last weekend with a glass lightbulb in his
anus.
Wednesday night, doctors brought Mohammad's misery to an end after a
one-and-a-half hour operation to remove the object.
"Thanks Allah, now I feel comfort. Today, I had my breakfast. I was
just drinking water, nothing else," Mohammad, a grey-beared man in his
mid-40s, told Reuters from a hospital bed in the southern central city
of Multan.
"We had to take it out intact," said Dr. Farrukh Aftab at Nishtar
Hospital. "Had it been broken inside, it would be a very very
complicated situation."
Mohammad, who is serving a four-year sentence for making liquor,
prohibited for Muslims, said he was shocked when he was first told the
cause of his discomfort. He swears he didn't know the bulb was there.
"When I woke up I felt a pain in my lower abdomen, but later in
hospital, they told me this," Mohammad said.
"I don't know who did this to me. Police or other prisoners."
The doctor treating Mohammad said he'd never encountered anything like
it before, and doubted the felon's story that someone had drugged him
and inserted the bulb while he was comatose.

No doubt you have filed this in your First Aid kit or bathroom
medicine cabinet for future reference just in case you experience a
similar problem.

Truth B known

Lady Veteran

2006-06-29 17:49:38 UTC

Truth wrote:
/ No doubt you have filed this in your First Aid kit or bathroom
/ medicine cabinet for future reference just in case you experience a
/similar problem.
/
/ Truth B known

Back from Pakinstan so soon? Did a lightbulb go off in your head?
<Baaaaaaaahaaaaa>

Daedalus

2006-06-29 18:01:38 UTC

On 29 Jun 2006 10:49:38 -0700, "Lady Veteran"

Post by Lady Veteran
/ No doubt you have filed this in your First Aid kit or bathroom
/ medicine cabinet for future reference just in case you experience a
/similar problem.
/
/ Truth B known
Back from Pakinstan so soon? Did a lightbulb go off in your head?
<Baaaaaaaahaaaaa>

Hi Grunty!

Yer friend,

Jade

I Jah Rastafari

2006-06-29 19:09:18 UTC

Blubber -- It's Not Just For Breakfast

By Thighmaster Doug

In response to the surprise popularity of a new Fat in the Box on 24th
Street, SSFA Valley merchants are hustling to keep up with the latest
food trend: blubber.

At The Happy Walrus, customers from Blob Hill to Jowly Heights are
lapping up an array of heart-stopping arctic treats, from deep-fried
blubber balls to frozen penguinsicles.

Twenty-fourth Street's McFatt Restaurant announced it would change its
traditional Greek cuisine to Nouveau Alaskan. "Our specialty will be
`The Iditerod,' a husky-on-a-stick on a bed of iceberg lettuce and
mushy peas," said chef/ owner Gandalf Parker.

Over at the Blubbiner Bar, which formerly sold fish and chips only, the
gang is wolfing down barbecued auk wings, seal-fin wraps, and eskimo
pies. "My butt looks like a sackful of live ferrets," said waitress
Robin King.

Why this sudden craving for lard?

"People are tired of feeling good," said Noe Valley Feeders and
Cholesterol Association president Bobby Sanchez. "Life's too short not
to eat fat," she added, speaking from her death bed.

The Church Street eateries are also running with the pack. Last month a
sign in the window at What's for After-Dinner read "Save the Whales for
Last!" "All our desserts are made from large aquatic mammals," said
host Ragar, a large mammal himself.

Meanwhile, the fast food chain Blubber King, a subsidiary of Wildhare
Inc, announced it was moving into the spot recently vacated by Thin for
Now. The menu will feature the "Monte Crisco" burger, fatty melts, and
gravy milkshakes.

Daedalus

2006-06-29 19:40:16 UTC

On 29 Jun 2006 12:09:18 -0700, "I Jah Rastafari"

Post by I Jah Rastafari
Blubber -- It's Not Just For Breakfast
By Thighmaster Doug
In response to the surprise popularity of a new Fat in the Box on 24th
Street, SSFA Valley merchants are hustling to keep up with the latest
food trend: blubber.
At The Happy Walrus, customers from Blob Hill to Jowly Heights are
lapping up an array of heart-stopping arctic treats, from deep-fried
blubber balls to frozen penguinsicles.
Twenty-fourth Street's McFatt Restaurant announced it would change its
traditional Greek cuisine to Nouveau Alaskan. "Our specialty will be
`The Iditerod,' a husky-on-a-stick on a bed of iceberg lettuce and
mushy peas," said chef/ owner Gandalf Parker.
Over at the Blubbiner Bar, which formerly sold fish and chips only, the
gang is wolfing down barbecued auk wings, seal-fin wraps, and eskimo
pies. "My butt looks like a sackful of live ferrets," said waitress
Robin King.
Why this sudden craving for lard?
"People are tired of feeling good," said Noe Valley Feeders and
Cholesterol Association president Bobby Sanchez. "Life's too short not
to eat fat," she added, speaking from her death bed.
The Church Street eateries are also running with the pack. Last month a
sign in the window at What's for After-Dinner read "Save the Whales for
Last!" "All our desserts are made from large aquatic mammals," said
host Ragar, a large mammal himself.
Meanwhile, the fast food chain Blubber King, a subsidiary of Wildhare
Inc, announced it was moving into the spot recently vacated by Thin for
Now. The menu will feature the "Monte Crisco" burger, fatty melts, and
gravy milkshakes.

Thanks for this important update!

Jade

Lady Veteran

2006-06-30 13:07:41 UTC

Post by Daedalus
On 29 Jun 2006 12:09:18 -0700, "I Jah Rastafari"

?Blubber -- It's Not Just For Breakfast

Post by I Jah Rastafari
By Thighmaster Doug
In response to the surprise popularity of a new Fat in the Box on 24th
Street, SSFA Valley merchants are hustling to keep up with the latest
food trend: blubber.
At The Happy Walrus, customers from Blob Hill to Jowly Heights are
lapping up an array of heart-stopping arctic treats, from deep-fried
blubber balls to frozen penguinsicles.
Twenty-fourth Street's McFatt Restaurant announced it would change its
traditional Greek cuisine to Nouveau Alaskan. "Our specialty will be
`The Iditerod,' a husky-on-a-stick on a bed of iceberg lettuce and
mushy peas," said chef/ owner Gandalf Parker.
Over at the Blubbiner Bar, which formerly sold fish and chips only, the
gang is wolfing down barbecued auk wings, seal-fin wraps, and eskimo
pies. "My butt looks like a sackful of live ferrets," said waitress
Robin King.
Why this sudden craving for lard?
"People are tired of feeling good," said Noe Valley Feeders and
Cholesterol Association president Bobby Sanchez. "Life's too short not
to eat fat," she added, speaking from her death bed.
The Church Street eateries are also running with the pack. Last month a
sign in the window at What's for After-Dinner read "Save the Whales for
Last!" "All our desserts are made from large aquatic mammals," said
host Ragar, a large mammal himself.
Meanwhile, the fast food chain Blubber King, a subsidiary of Wildhare
Inc, announced it was moving into the spot recently vacated by Thin for
Now. The menu will feature the "Monte Crisco" burger, fatty melts, and
gravy milkshakes.

?Thanks for this important update!
?
? Jade

Screw each and every one of you blackhearted bastards!

Lady Veteran

2006-07-01 01:44:09 UTC

Post by Lady Veteran

Post by Daedalus
On 29 Jun 2006 12:09:18 -0700, "I Jah Rastafari"

?Blubber -- It's Not Just For Breakfast

Post by I Jah Rastafari
By Thighmaster Doug
In response to the surprise popularity of a new Fat in the Box on
24th Street, SSFA Valley merchants are hustling to keep up with
the latest food trend: blubber.
At The Happy Walrus, customers from Blob Hill to Jowly Heights
are lapping up an array of heart-stopping arctic treats, from
deep-fried blubber balls to frozen penguinsicles.
Twenty-fourth Street's McFatt Restaurant announced it would
change its traditional Greek cuisine to Nouveau Alaskan. "Our
specialty will be `The Iditerod,' a husky-on-a-stick on a bed of
iceberg lettuce and mushy peas," said chef/ owner Gandalf Parker.
Over at the Blubbiner Bar, which formerly sold fish and chips
only, the gang is wolfing down barbecued auk wings, seal-fin
wraps, and eskimo pies. "My butt looks like a sackful of live
ferrets," said waitress Robin King.
Why this sudden craving for lard?
"People are tired of feeling good," said Noe Valley Feeders and
Cholesterol Association president Bobby Sanchez. "Life's too
short not to eat fat," she added, speaking from her death bed.
The Church Street eateries are also running with the pack. Last
month a sign in the window at What's for After-Dinner read "Save
the Whales for Last!" "All our desserts are made from large
aquatic mammals," said host Ragar, a large mammal himself.
Meanwhile, the fast food chain Blubber King, a subsidiary of
Wildhare Inc, announced it was moving into the spot recently
vacated by Thin for Now. The menu will feature the "Monte Crisco"
burger, fatty melts, and gravy milkshakes.

?Thanks for this important update!
?
? Jade
Screw each and every one of you blackhearted bastards!

Jade the disease knows not the difference between my hijacker and me.
Not that anyone cares what it thinks.

Just keeping score.

You should cash in your English Lit degree and get some toilet paper
to wipe your mouth..

LV

I rode a tank and wore a General's rank-When the blitzkrieg raged and
the bodies stank.- - - Rolling Stones-Sympathy for the Devil

Lady Veteran

2006-06-30 02:12:22 UTC