In 2003 Mark Tindall (homosexual activist) came to attack ACC. I was not guilty of anything he accused me of, nor had he even met me. I did not even know most of the posters on his list. Yet he accused me falsely, libelled me and mocked and threatened ...

In 2003 Mark Tindall came to attack ACC after David Matthieu P.P. had
caught him to join his bullying.

I was not guilty of anything the accused me of, nor had he even met me.
I did not even know most of the posters on his list. Yet he accused me
falsely, libelled me and mocked and threatened me most hatefully. I had
never done anything wrong or bad in ACC, yet I was treated like that by
someone who did not even know me. He even threatened life when he wrote:
"Your Dresden will come", or posted a bomb the similar way he has done
lately. He also libelled my good name in the internet.

What could I do? I did the best thing, namely block this hateful silly
little man that had come to ruin my reputation and to chase all the
Christians away. I did NOT respond to this guy for many weeks, although
he kept on in the style below!!! He kept on attacking me, smearing into
my guestbook on my website, into the forum, and he came into my chatroom
to insult and threaten me.

I had not "persecuted" anyone but was kind to all in ACC! I just
happened to love the group and started a website for them, that was all.
But suddenly they accused me of being an evil cult leader. It was an
assault on my soul, really. I felt I had fallen into the hands of some
killers. Mark was not the only one, however.

Okay, thee are such kinds of evil doers in this world, and that was not
what saddened me most. But many of those who I regarded my friends got
infected by this silly little man's libel and turned against me. It is
easier to be on the side of the bullies if you do not want to be hit,
too, or to run away. What a bunch of COWARDS AND EVIL DOERS!

Some of the so-called Christian girls and guys really thought I should
just stand still until I was dead while they could have a cup of coffee
with the killer.

It is a shame, really, and still is. Not many have the guts to stand up
against such a bully and his friends (Matt, Jude and others of the
homosexual activist league), or stay with the truth. They have all
turned it upside down now, and would really love to believe it
themselves, and just for one reason: they cannot believe in the only GOD
there is, but I can - and my friends. It is envy - or why do they not
just go their way if they have no faith in GOD? JESUS CHRIST? Their
faith in their sexual orientation is NOT FAITH IN GOD.

I thank the LORD JESUS CHRIST for keeping my faith strong in all those
years, and no, It is NOT your merit. But I can say that I have never met
more evil people than here in ACC - also a number of golden hearts,
though, for whom I am very grateful to the LORD.

To give the reader an idea of what I am talking, you can find a few
posts of the bully Mark Tindall below, some of his first ones, while he
did not know anything of me at all. He even called me a "Pente" again
and again, but I was a Baptist.

_________start Mark Tindall's rabid attacks__________

Newsgroups: alt.christnet.christianlife
Von: "Mark and Bev Tindall" <***@tpg.com.au>
Datum: Sun, 7 Dec 2003 10:50:56 +1100
Lokal: So 7 Dez. 2003 01:50
Betreff: Re: Vera and Griz
To Grizzle Guts (Craig) ...IN YOUR OWN WORDS ....

On behalf of all the Christians you have persecuted and plonked on this
unmoderated public Christian forum you are formally asked to leave and
never
return.

A majority of those gathered here to discuss Christian life have agreed
that your authoritarian behaviour is not welcomed here. Bring yourself
to
leave this electronic unmoderated public forum which you never had any
claim
over to begin with. You made ACC a place where Christians from any
denomination were afraid to post. As a result you are not welcomed here
on
ACC.

You said "every time someone bid Jesus to leave, he did." He didn't try
to maneuver with words, he didn't say "yea, but", he didn't come up with
clever reasons to remain - even when he had every right to remain."
(Mark
5) Go Grizzle Guts! This door of ministry is closed to you and your
Pente
Usurpers. Your presence here has been more of a hindrance than a help.
You
shoot down those engaged in discussion on Christian life and encourage
the
trolls.

The True, Only Begotten Son of God - during his ministry years here on
earth
- did not hesitate to depart from whence he was urged to depart; even
by
those who lacked full understanding of who He was. Can you, Grizzle
Guts, do
the same? ACC formally requests that you leave our region.

If you remain here, we will expect Scriptural precedent for why you do
not
need to follow the example of Jesus Christ in this particular situation.
Bafflegab, nitpicking, dancing with words, name-calling, and
self-aggrandizement are not valid points to put forth.

Check your Bible Grizzle guts (the big book-like thingy with the dust on
it).
Mark 5:17-18 - even as Jesus was entering the boat to leave - after
being
asked only once.
Matt 10:14 - whoever does not receive your or heed your words, leave!
Mark 6:11 - anyplace that does not receive you or listen to your words,
leave!
Luke 9:5 - as for those who do not welcome you, leave!

We as a group reject what you offer. Your ministry is not accepted,
required, or welcomed here.

Leave our region.
Leave.
Sail away even as Christ did as an example to you personally.
You are officially asked to leave Grizzle Guts.
You have been given Scriptural precedent to do so.
Leave Grizzle Guts, we implore you.

****************************************************************************
****************

ACC IS A PUBLIC UNMODERATED FORUM

ALL Christians from ALL denominations are welcome on this NG - Catholic,
protestant, orthodox, seventh day adventists, fundamentalists, liberals,
whatever!!!! This includes ALL the Christians plonked and persecuted
by
Grizzle Guts (Cwaig), Vera (666) and the brown shirt "building team"
(What
DO they build???) such as ...

- Woz
- Donna Kupp
- David Matthieu P.P.
- Brenda Kent
- David Chariot
- Annie Asher
- Yusufallah
- Ninure Saunders
- Glenn
- T Grasso
- Nevermore
- Michael Christ
- NoName

You do NOT have to bow to the authoritarian anal retentive Pente Thought
Police!!!!!

Grizzle Guts, Vera (666) and the "building team" are overthrown! The
revolution is here! Bye-bye "building team"!!!

* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *

THE FOLLOWING SITE IS NOT ASSOCIATED WITH THIS UNMODERATED PUBLIC FORUM
FOR
ALL CHRISTIANS AND DOES NOT REPRESENT ACC IN ANY MANNER WHATSOEVER!!!

It is owned by the Pente Usurper Vera 666 and is CENSORED by her!!!

BE WARNED!!!!

* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Where Jesus is BORED & censored by Vera 666!!!

http://www.acc-growing-deeper.de

Too much Kristyun Lite and no Christian substance!

* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *

II Corinthians 10:4 -5 " ...for the weapons of our warfare are NOT
WORLDLY
but have DIVINE POWER TO DESTROY STRONGHOLDS. WE DESTROY ARGUMENTS AND
EVERY PROUD OBSTACLE TO THE KNOWLEDGE OF GOD, AND TAKE EVERY THOUGHT
CAPTIVE
to obey Christ ..."

************************

Newsgroups: alt.christnet.christianlife
Von: "Mark and Bev Tindall" <***@tpg.com.au>
Datum: Sun, 7 Dec 2003 10:51:34 +1100
Lokal: So 7 Dez. 2003 01:51
Betreff: Re: Vera and Griz
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To Vera 666 ...IN GRIZZLE GUT'S OWN WORDS ....

On behalf of all the Christians you have persecuted and plonked on this
unmoderated public Christian forum you are formally asked to leave and
never
return.

A majority of those gathered here to discuss Christian life have agreed
that your authoritarian behaviour is not welcomed here. Bring yourself
to
leave this electronic unmoderated public forum which you never had any
claim
over to begin with. You made ACC a place where Christians from any
denomination were afraid to post. As a result you are not welcomed here
on
ACC.

Grizzle Guts said "every time someone bid Jesus to leave, he did." He
didn't try
to maneuver with words, he didn't say "yea, but", he didn't come up with
clever reasons to remain - even when he had every right to remain."
(Mark
5) Go Vwera 666! This door of ministry is closed to you and your Pente
Usurpers. Your presence here has been more of a hindrance than a help.
You
shoot down those engaged in discussion on Christian life and encourage
the
trolls.

The True, Only Begotten Son of God - during his ministry years here on
earth
- did not hesitate to depart from whence he was urged to depart; even
by
those who lacked full understanding of who He was. Can you, Vera 666, do
the same? ACC formally requests that you leave our region.

If you remain here, we will expect Scriptural precedent for why you do
not
need to follow the example of Jesus Christ in this particular situation.
Bafflegab, nitpicking, dancing with words, name-calling, and
self-aggrandizement are not valid points to put forth.

Check your Bible Vera 666 (the big book-like thingy with the dust on
it).
Mark 5:17-18 - even as Jesus was entering the boat to leave - after
being
asked only once.
Matt 10:14 - whoever does not receive your or heed your words, leave!
Mark 6:11 - anyplace that does not receive you or listen to your words,
leave!
Luke 9:5 - as for those who do not welcome you, leave!

We as a group reject what you offer. Your ministry is not accepted,
required, or welcomed here.

Leave our region.
Leave.
Sail away even as Christ did as an example to you personally.
You are officially asked to leave Vera 666.
You have been given Scriptural precedent to do so.
Leave Vera 666, we implore you.

****************************************************************************

ACC IS A PUBLIC UNMODERATED FORUM

ALL Christians from ALL denominations are welcome on this NG - Catholic,
protestant, orthodox, seventh day adventists, fundamentalists, liberals,
whatever!!!! This includes ALL the Christians plonked and persecuted
by
Grizzle Guts (Cwaig), Vera (666) and the brown shirt "building team"
(What
DO they build???) such as ...

- Woz
- Donna Kupp
- David Matthieu P.P.
- Brenda Kent
- David Chariot
- Annie Asher
- Yusufallah
- Ninure Saunders
- Glenn
- T Grasso
- Nevermore
- Michael Christ
- NoName

You do NOT have to bow to the authoritarian anal retentive Pente Thought
Police!!!!!

Grizzle Guts, Vera (666) and the "building team" are overthrown! The
revolution is here! Bye-bye "building team"!!!

* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *

THE FOLLOWING SITE IS NOT ASSOCIATED WITH THIS UNMODERATED PUBLIC FORUM
FOR
ALL CHRISTIANS AND DOES NOT REPRESENT ACC IN ANY MANNER WHATSOEVER!!!

It is owned by the Pente Usurper Vera 666 and is CENSORED by her!!!

BE WARNED!!!!

* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Where Jesus is BORED & censored by Vera 666!!!

http://www.acc-growing-deeper.de

Too much Kristyun Lite and no Christian substance!

* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *

II Corinthians 10:4 -5 " ...for the weapons of our warfare are NOT
WORLDLY
but have DIVINE POWER TO DESTROY STRONGHOLDS. WE DESTROY ARGUMENTS AND
EVERY PROUD OBSTACLE TO THE KNOWLEDGE OF GOD, AND TAKE EVERY THOUGHT
CAPTIVE
to obey Christ ..."

************************

Newsgroups: alt.christnet.christianlife
Von: "Mark and Bev Tindall" <***@tpg.com.au>
Datum: Sun, 7 Dec 2003 10:52:23 +1100
Lokal: So 7 Dez. 2003 01:52
Betreff: Re: Vera and Griz
"Fwank" rote:

...whatever ...

To Vera 666 ...IN GRIZZLE GUT'S OWN WORDS ....

On behalf of all the Christians you have persecuted and plonked on this
unmoderated public Christian forum you are formally asked to leave and
never
return.

A majority of those gathered here to discuss Christian life have agreed
that your authoritarian behaviour is not welcomed here. Bring yourself
to
leave this electronic unmoderated public forum which you never had any
claim
over to begin with. You made ACC a place where Christians from any
denomination were afraid to post. As a result you are not welcomed here
on
ACC.

Grizzle Guts said "every time someone bid Jesus to leave, he did." He
didn't try
to maneuver with words, he didn't say "yea, but", he didn't come up with
clever reasons to remain - even when he had every right to remain."
(Mark
5) Go Vwera 666! This door of ministry is closed to you and your Pente
Usurpers. Your presence here has been more of a hindrance than a help.
You
shoot down those engaged in discussion on Christian life and encourage
the
trolls.

The True, Only Begotten Son of God - during his ministry years here on
earth
- did not hesitate to depart from whence he was urged to depart; even
by
those who lacked full understanding of who He was. Can you, Vera 666, do
the same? ACC formally requests that you leave our region.

If you remain here, we will expect Scriptural precedent for why you do
not
need to follow the example of Jesus Christ in this particular situation.
Bafflegab, nitpicking, dancing with words, name-calling, and
self-aggrandizement are not valid points to put forth.

Check your Bible Vera 666 (the big book-like thingy with the dust on
it).
Mark 5:17-18 - even as Jesus was entering the boat to leave - after
being
asked only once.
Matt 10:14 - whoever does not receive your or heed your words, leave!
Mark 6:11 - anyplace that does not receive you or listen to your words,
leave!
Luke 9:5 - as for those who do not welcome you, leave!

We as a group reject what you offer. Your ministry is not accepted,
required, or welcomed here.

Leave our region.
Leave.
Sail away even as Christ did as an example to you personally.
You are officially asked to leave Vera 666.
You have been given Scriptural precedent to do so.
Leave Vera 666, we implore you.

****************************************************************************

ACC IS A PUBLIC UNMODERATED FORUM

ALL Christians from ALL denominations are welcome on this NG - Catholic,
protestant, orthodox, seventh day adventists, fundamentalists, liberals,
whatever!!!! This includes ALL the Christians plonked and persecuted
by
Grizzle Guts (Cwaig), Vera (666) and the brown shirt "building team"
(What
DO they build???) such as ...

- Woz
- Donna Kupp
- David Matthieu P.P.
- Brenda Kent
- David Chariot
- Annie Asher
- Yusufallah
- Ninure Saunders
- Glenn
- T Grasso
- Nevermore
- Michael Christ
- NoName

You do NOT have to bow to the authoritarian anal retentive Pente Thought
Police!!!!!

Grizzle Guts, Vera (666) and the "building team" are overthrown! The
revolution is here! Bye-bye "building team"!!!

* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *

THE FOLLOWING SITE IS NOT ASSOCIATED WITH THIS UNMODERATED PUBLIC FORUM
FOR
ALL CHRISTIANS AND DOES NOT REPRESENT ACC IN ANY MANNER WHATSOEVER!!!

It is owned by the Pente Usurper Vera 666 and is CENSORED by her!!!

BE WARNED!!!!

* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Where Jesus is BORED & censored by Vera 666!!!

http://www.acc-growing-deeper.de

Too much Kristyun Lite and no Christian substance!

* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *

II Corinthians 10:4 -5 " ...for the weapons of our warfare are NOT
WORLDLY
but have DIVINE POWER TO DESTROY STRONGHOLDS. WE DESTROY ARGUMENTS AND
EVERY PROUD OBSTACLE TO THE KNOWLEDGE OF GOD, AND TAKE EVERY THOUGHT
CAPTIVE
to obey Christ ..."

************************

Newsgroups: alt.christnet.christianlife
Von: "Mark and Bev Tindall" <***@tpg.com.au>
Datum: Sun, 7 Dec 2003 10:53:25 +1100
Lokal: So 7 Dez. 2003 01:53
Betreff: Re: Vera and Griz
To Vera 666 ...IN GRIZZLE GUT'S OWN WORDS ....

On behalf of all the Christians you have persecuted and plonked on this
unmoderated public Christian forum you are formally asked to leave and
never
return.

A majority of those gathered here to discuss Christian life have agreed
that your authoritarian behaviour is not welcomed here. Bring yourself
to
leave this electronic unmoderated public forum which you never had any
claim
over to begin with. You made ACC a place where Christians from any
denomination were afraid to post. As a result you are not welcomed here
on
ACC.

Grizzle Guts said "every time someone bid Jesus to leave, he did." He
didn't try
to maneuver with words, he didn't say "yea, but", he didn't come up with
clever reasons to remain - even when he had every right to remain."
(Mark
5) Go Vwera 666! This door of ministry is closed to you and your Pente
Usurpers. Your presence here has been more of a hindrance than a help.
You
shoot down those engaged in discussion on Christian life and encourage
the
trolls.

The True, Only Begotten Son of God - during his ministry years here on
earth
- did not hesitate to depart from whence he was urged to depart; even
by
those who lacked full understanding of who He was. Can you, Vera 666, do
the same? ACC formally requests that you leave our region.

If you remain here, we will expect Scriptural precedent for why you do
not
need to follow the example of Jesus Christ in this particular situation.
Bafflegab, nitpicking, dancing with words, name-calling, and
self-aggrandizement are not valid points to put forth.

Check your Bible Vera 666 (the big book-like thingy with the dust on
it).
Mark 5:17-18 - even as Jesus was entering the boat to leave - after
being
asked only once.
Matt 10:14 - whoever does not receive your or heed your words, leave!
Mark 6:11 - anyplace that does not receive you or listen to your words,
leave!
Luke 9:5 - as for those who do not welcome you, leave!

We as a group reject what you offer. Your ministry is not accepted,
required, or welcomed here.

Leave our region.
Leave.
Sail away even as Christ did as an example to you personally.
You are officially asked to leave Vera 666.
You have been given Scriptural precedent to do so.
Leave Vera 666, we implore you.

****************************************************************************

ACC IS A PUBLIC UNMODERATED FORUM

ALL Christians from ALL denominations are welcome on this NG - Catholic,
protestant, orthodox, seventh day adventists, fundamentalists, liberals,
whatever!!!! This includes ALL the Christians plonked and persecuted
by
Grizzle Guts (Cwaig), Vera (666) and the brown shirt "building team"
(What
DO they build???) such as ...

- Woz
- Donna Kupp
- David Matthieu P.P.
- Brenda Kent
- David Chariot
- Annie Asher
- Yusufallah
- Ninure Saunders
- Glenn
- T Grasso
- Nevermore
- Michael Christ
- NoName

You do NOT have to bow to the authoritarian anal retentive Pente Thought
Police!!!!!

Grizzle Guts, Vera (666) and the "building team" are overthrown! The
revolution is here! Bye-bye "building team"!!!

* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *

THE FOLLOWING SITE IS NOT ASSOCIATED WITH THIS UNMODERATED PUBLIC FORUM
FOR
ALL CHRISTIANS AND DOES NOT REPRESENT ACC IN ANY MANNER WHATSOEVER!!!

It is owned by the Pente Usurper Vera 666 and is CENSORED by her!!!

BE WARNED!!!!

* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Where Jesus is BORED & censored by Vera 666!!!

http://www.acc-growing-deeper.de

Too much Kristyun Lite and no Christian substance!

* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *

II Corinthians 10:4 -5 " ...for the weapons of our warfare are NOT
WORLDLY
but have DIVINE POWER TO DESTROY STRONGHOLDS. WE DESTROY ARGUMENTS AND
EVERY PROUD OBSTACLE TO THE KNOWLEDGE OF GOD, AND TAKE EVERY THOUGHT
CAPTIVE
to obey Christ ..."

************************

Newsgroups: alt.christnet.christianlife
Von: "Mark and Bev Tindall" <***@tpg.com.au>
Datum: Sun, 7 Dec 2003 10:54:29 +1100
Lokal: So 7 Dez. 2003 01:54
Betreff: Re: Vera and Griz
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Nachricht melden | Nachrichten dieses Autors suchen
"oldwetblanket" rote:

...whatever ...

To Grizzle Guts (Craig) ...IN YOUR OWN WORDS ....

On behalf of all the Christians you have persecuted and plonked on this
unmoderated public Christian forum you are formally asked to leave and
never
return.

A majority of those gathered here to discuss Christian life have agreed
that your authoritarian behaviour is not welcomed here. Bring yourself
to
leave this electronic unmoderated public forum which you never had any
claim
over to begin with. You made ACC a place where Christians from any
denomination were afraid to post. As a result you are not welcomed here
on
ACC.

You said "every time someone bid Jesus to leave, he did." He didn't try
to maneuver with words, he didn't say "yea, but", he didn't come up with
clever reasons to remain - even when he had every right to remain."
(Mark
5) Go Grizzle Guts! This door of ministry is closed to you and your
Pente
Usurpers. Your presence here has been more of a hindrance than a help.
You
shoot down those engaged in discussion on Christian life and encourage
the
trolls.

The True, Only Begotten Son of God - during his ministry years here on
earth
- did not hesitate to depart from whence he was urged to depart; even
by
those who lacked full understanding of who He was. Can you, Grizzle
Guts, do
the same? ACC formally requests that you leave our region.

If you remain here, we will expect Scriptural precedent for why you do
not
need to follow the example of Jesus Christ in this particular situation.
Bafflegab, nitpicking, dancing with words, name-calling, and
self-aggrandizement are not valid points to put forth.

Check your Bible Grizzle guts (the big book-like thingy with the dust on
it).
Mark 5:17-18 - even as Jesus was entering the boat to leave - after
being
asked only once.
Matt 10:14 - whoever does not receive your or heed your words, leave!
Mark 6:11 - anyplace that does not receive you or listen to your words,
leave!
Luke 9:5 - as for those who do not welcome you, leave!

We as a group reject what you offer. Your ministry is not accepted,
required, or welcomed here.

Leave our region.
Leave.
Sail away even as Christ did as an example to you personally.
You are officially asked to leave Grizzle Guts.
You have been given Scriptural precedent to do so.
Leave Grizzle Guts, we implore you.

****************************************************************************
****************

ACC IS A PUBLIC UNMODERATED FORUM

ALL Christians from ALL denominations are welcome on this NG - Catholic,
protestant, orthodox, seventh day adventists, fundamentalists, liberals,
whatever!!!! This includes ALL the Christians plonked and persecuted
by
Grizzle Guts (Cwaig), Vera (666) and the brown shirt "building team"
(What
DO they build???) such as ...

- Woz
- Donna Kupp
- David Matthieu P.P.
- Brenda Kent
- David Chariot
- Annie Asher
- Yusufallah
- Ninure Saunders
- Glenn
- T Grasso
- Nevermore
- Michael Christ
- NoName

You do NOT have to bow to the authoritarian anal retentive Pente Thought
Police!!!!!

Grizzle Guts, Vera (666) and the "building team" are overthrown! The
revolution is here! Bye-bye "building team"!!!

* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *

THE FOLLOWING SITE IS NOT ASSOCIATED WITH THIS UNMODERATED PUBLIC FORUM
FOR
ALL CHRISTIANS AND DOES NOT REPRESENT ACC IN ANY MANNER WHATSOEVER!!!

It is owned by the Pente Usurper Vera 666 and is CENSORED by her!!!

BE WARNED!!!!

* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Where Jesus is BORED & censored by Vera 666!!!

http://www.acc-growing-deeper.de

Too much Kristyun Lite and no Christian substance!

* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *

II Corinthians 10:4 -5 " ...for the weapons of our warfare are NOT
WORLDLY
but have DIVINE POWER TO DESTROY STRONGHOLDS. WE DESTROY ARGUMENTS AND
EVERY PROUD OBSTACLE TO THE KNOWLEDGE OF GOD, AND TAKE EVERY THOUGHT
CAPTIVE
to obey Christ ..."

************************

Newsgroups: alt.christnet.christianlife
Von: "Mark and Bev Tindall" <***@tpg.com.au>
Datum: Sun, 7 Dec 2003 11:21:43 +1100
Lokal: So 7 Dez. 2003 02:21
Betreff: Re: Vera and Griz
To Grizzle Guts (Craig) ...IN YOUR OWN WORDS ....

On behalf of all the Christians you have persecuted and plonked on this
unmoderated public Christian forum you are formally asked to leave and
never
return.

A majority of those gathered here to discuss Christian life have agreed
that your authoritarian behaviour is not welcomed here. Bring yourself
to
leave this electronic unmoderated public forum which you never had any
claim
over to begin with. You made ACC a place where Christians from any
denomination were afraid to post. As a result you are not welcomed here
on
ACC.

You said "every time someone bid Jesus to leave, he did." He didn't try
to maneuver with words, he didn't say "yea, but", he didn't come up with
clever reasons to remain - even when he had every right to remain."
(Mark
5) Go Grizzle Guts! This door of ministry is closed to you and your
Pente
Usurpers. Your presence here has been more of a hindrance than a help.
You
shoot down those engaged in discussion on Christian life and encourage
the
trolls.

The True, Only Begotten Son of God - during his ministry years here on
earth
- did not hesitate to depart from whence he was urged to depart; even
by
those who lacked full understanding of who He was. Can you, Grizzle
Guts, do
the same? ACC formally requests that you leave our region.

If you remain here, we will expect Scriptural precedent for why you do
not
need to follow the example of Jesus Christ in this particular situation.
Bafflegab, nitpicking, dancing with words, name-calling, and
self-aggrandizement are not valid points to put forth.

Check your Bible Grizzle guts (the big book-like thingy with the dust on
it).
Mark 5:17-18 - even as Jesus was entering the boat to leave - after
being
asked only once.
Matt 10:14 - whoever does not receive your or heed your words, leave!
Mark 6:11 - anyplace that does not receive you or listen to your words,
leave!
Luke 9:5 - as for those who do not welcome you, leave!

We as a group reject what you offer. Your ministry is not accepted,
required, or welcomed here.

Leave our region.
Leave.
Sail away even as Christ did as an example to you personally.
You are officially asked to leave Grizzle Guts.
You have been given Scriptural precedent to do so.
Leave Grizzle Guts, we implore you.

****************************************************************************
****************

ACC IS A PUBLIC UNMODERATED FORUM

ALL Christians from ALL denominations are welcome on this NG - Catholic,
protestant, orthodox, seventh day adventists, fundamentalists, liberals,
whatever!!!! This includes ALL the Christians plonked and persecuted
by
Grizzle Guts (Cwaig), Vera (666) and the brown shirt "building team"
(What
DO they build???) such as ...

- Woz
- Donna Kupp
- David Matthieu P.P.
- Brenda Kent
- David Chariot
- Annie Asher
- Yusufallah
- Ninure Saunders
- Glenn
- T Grasso
- Nevermore
- Michael Christ
- NoName

You do NOT have to bow to the authoritarian anal retentive Pente Thought
Police!!!!!

Grizzle Guts, Vera (666) and the "building team" are overthrown! The
revolution is here! Bye-bye "building team"!!!

* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *

THE FOLLOWING SITE IS NOT ASSOCIATED WITH THIS UNMODERATED PUBLIC FORUM
FOR
ALL CHRISTIANS AND DOES NOT REPRESENT ACC IN ANY MANNER WHATSOEVER!!!

It is owned by the Pente Usurper Vera 666 and is CENSORED by her!!!

BE WARNED!!!!

* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Where Jesus is BORED & censored by Vera 666!!!

http://www.acc-growing-deeper.de

Vera dear heart has given us all much to be thankful for.

PUKE!!!!

I'am thankful for her as well as griz

DOUBLE PUKE!!!!

To Grizzle Guts (Craig) ...IN YOUR OWN WORDS ....

On behalf of all the Christians you have persecuted and plonked on this
unmoderated public Christian forum you are formally asked to leave and
never
return.

A majority of those gathered here to discuss Christian life have agreed
that your authoritarian behaviour is not welcomed here. Bring yourself
to
leave this electronic unmoderated public forum which you never had any
claim
over to begin with. You made ACC a place where Christians from any
denomination were afraid to post. As a result you are not welcomed here
on
ACC.

You said "every time someone bid Jesus to leave, he did." He didn't try
to maneuver with words, he didn't say "yea, but", he didn't come up with
clever reasons to remain - even when he had every right to remain."
(Mark
5) Go Grizzle Guts! This door of ministry is closed to you and your
Pente
Usurpers. Your presence here has been more of a hindrance than a help.
You
shoot down those engaged in discussion on Christian life and encourage
the
trolls.

The True, Only Begotten Son of God - during his ministry years here on
earth
- did not hesitate to depart from whence he was urged to depart; even
by
those who lacked full understanding of who He was. Can you, Grizzle
Guts, do
the same? ACC formally requests that you leave our region.

If you remain here, we will expect Scriptural precedent for why you do
not
need to follow the example of Jesus Christ in this particular situation.
Bafflegab, nitpicking, dancing with words, name-calling, and
self-aggrandizement are not valid points to put forth.

Check your Bible Grizzle guts (the big book-like thingy with the dust on
it).
Mark 5:17-18 - even as Jesus was entering the boat to leave - after
being
asked only once.
Matt 10:14 - whoever does not receive your or heed your words, leave!
Mark 6:11 - anyplace that does not receive you or listen to your words,
leave!
Luke 9:5 - as for those who do not welcome you, leave!

We as a group reject what you offer. Your ministry is not accepted,
required, or welcomed here.

Leave our region.
Leave.
Sail away even as Christ did as an example to you personally.
You are officially asked to leave Grizzle Guts.
You have been given Scriptural precedent to do so.
Leave Grizzle Guts, we implore you.

****************************************************************************
****************

ACC IS A PUBLIC UNMODERATED FORUM

ALL Christians from ALL denominations are welcome on this NG - Catholic,
protestant, orthodox, seventh day adventists, fundamentalists, liberals,
whatever!!!! This includes ALL the Christians plonked and persecuted
by
Grizzle Guts (Cwaig), Vera (666) and the brown shirt "building team"
(What
DO they build???) such as ...

- Woz
- Donna Kupp
- David Matthieu P.P.
- Brenda Kent
- David Chariot
- Annie Asher
- Yusufallah
- Ninure Saunders
- Glenn
- T Grasso
- Nevermore
- Michael Christ
- NoName

You do NOT have to bow to the authoritarian anal retentive Pente Thought
Police!!!!!

Grizzle Guts, Vera (666) and the "building team" are overthrown! The
revolution is here! Bye-bye "building team"!!!

* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *

THE FOLLOWING SITE IS NOT ASSOCIATED WITH THIS UNMODERATED PUBLIC FORUM
FOR
ALL CHRISTIANS AND DOES NOT REPRESENT ACC IN ANY MANNER WHATSOEVER!!!

It is owned by the Pente Usurper Vera 666 and is CENSORED by her!!!

BE WARNED!!!!

* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Where Jesus is BORED & censored by Vera 666!!!

http://www.acc-growing-deeper.de

Now, that _is_ evidence to support what you say. Had you posted that
the
first time around, instead of just making point blank accusations,
he'd be
on the watch list instead of you being on the toll list.

You need to read more.

To Vera 666 ...IN GRIZZLE GUTS' OWN WORDS ....

On behalf of all the Christians you have persecuted and plonked on this
unmoderated public Christian forum you are formally asked to leave and
never
return.

A majority of those gathered here to discuss Christian life have agreed
that your authoritarian behaviour is not welcomed here. Bring yourself
to
leave this electronic unmoderated public forum which you never had any
claim
over to begin with. You made ACC a place where Christians from any
denomination were afraid to post. As a result you are not welcomed here
on
ACC.

Grizzle Guts said "every time someone bid Jesus to leave, he did." He
didn't try
to maneuver with words, he didn't say "yea, but", he didn't come up with
clever reasons to remain - even when he had every right to remain."
(Mark
5) Go Vwera 666! This door of ministry is closed to you and your Pente
Usurpers. Your presence here has been more of a hindrance than a help.
You
shoot down those engaged in discussion on Christian life and encourage
the
trolls.

The True, Only Begotten Son of God - during his ministry years here on
earth
- did not hesitate to depart from whence he was urged to depart; even
by
those who lacked full understanding of who He was. Can you, Vera 666, do
the same? ACC formally requests that you leave our region.

If you remain here, we will expect Scriptural precedent for why you do
not
need to follow the example of Jesus Christ in this particular situation.
Bafflegab, nitpicking, dancing with words, name-calling, and
self-aggrandizement are not valid points to put forth.

Check your Bible Vera 666 (the big book-like thingy with the dust on
it).
Mark 5:17-18 - even as Jesus was entering the boat to leave - after
being
asked only once.
Matt 10:14 - whoever does not receive your or heed your words, leave!
Mark 6:11 - anyplace that does not receive you or listen to your words,
leave!
Luke 9:5 - as for those who do not welcome you, leave!

We as a group reject what you offer. Your ministry is not accepted,
required, or welcomed here.

Leave our region.
Leave.
Sail away even as Christ did as an example to you personally.
You are officially asked to leave Vera 666.
You have been given Scriptural precedent to do so.
Leave Vera 666, we implore you.

****************************************************************************

ACC IS A PUBLIC UNMODERATED FORUM

ALL Christians from ALL denominations are welcome on this NG - Catholic,
protestant, orthodox, seventh day adventists, fundamentalists, liberals,
whatever!!!! This includes ALL the Christians plonked and persecuted
by
Grizzle Guts (Cwaig), Vera (666) and the brown shirt "building team"
(What
DO they build???) such as ...

- Woz
- Donna Kupp
- David Matthieu P.P.
- Brenda Kent
- David Chariot
- Annie Asher
- Yusufallah
- Ninure Saunders
- Glenn
- T Grasso
- Nevermore
- Michael Christ
- NoName

You do NOT have to bow to the authoritarian anal retentive Pente Thought
Police!!!!!

Grizzle Guts, Vera (666) and the "building team" are overthrown! The
revolution is here! Bye-bye "building team"!!!

* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *

THE FOLLOWING SITE IS NOT ASSOCIATED WITH THIS UNMODERATED PUBLIC FORUM
FOR
ALL CHRISTIANS AND DOES NOT REPRESENT ACC IN ANY MANNER WHATSOEVER!!!

It is owned by the Pente Usurper Vera 666 and is CENSORED by her!!!

BE WARNED!!!!

* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Where Jesus is BORED & censored by Vera 666!!!

http://www.acc-growing-deeper.de

Too much Kristyun Lite and no Christian substance!

* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *

II Corinthians 10:4 -5 " ...for the weapons of our warfare are NOT
WORLDLY
but have DIVINE POWER TO DESTROY STRONGHOLDS. WE DESTROY ARGUMENTS AND
EVERY PROUD OBSTACLE TO THE KNOWLEDGE OF GOD, AND TAKE EVERY THOUGHT
CAPTIVE
to obey Christ ..."

************************

Newsgroups: alt.christnet.christianlife
Von: "Mark and Bev Tindall" <***@tpg.com.au>
Datum: Sun, 7 Dec 2003 16:56:00 +1100
Betreff: Re: Vera and Griz
Grizzle Guts roted:

...whatever ...

To Grizzle Guts (Craig) ...IN YOUR OWN WORDS ....

On behalf of all the Christians you have persecuted and plonked on this
unmoderated public Christian forum you are formally asked to leave and
never
return.

A majority of those gathered here to discuss Christian life have agreed
that your authoritarian behaviour is not welcomed here. Bring yourself
to
leave this electronic unmoderated public forum which you never had any
claim
over to begin with. You made ACC a place where Christians from any
denomination were afraid to post. As a result you are not welcomed here
on
ACC.

You said "every time someone bid Jesus to leave, he did." He didn't try
to maneuver with words, he didn't say "yea, but", he didn't come up with
clever reasons to remain - even when he had every right to remain."
(Mark
5) Go Grizzle Guts! This door of ministry is closed to you and your
Pente
Usurpers. Your presence here has been more of a hindrance than a help.
You
shoot down those engaged in discussion on Christian life and encourage
the
trolls.

The True, Only Begotten Son of God - during his ministry years here on
earth
- did not hesitate to depart from whence he was urged to depart; even
by
those who lacked full understanding of who He was. Can you, Grizzle
Guts, do
the same? ACC formally requests that you leave our region.

If you remain here, we will expect Scriptural precedent for why you do
not
need to follow the example of Jesus Christ in this particular situation.
Bafflegab, nitpicking, dancing with words, name-calling, and
self-aggrandizement are not valid points to put forth.

Check your Bible Grizzle guts (the big book-like thingy with the dust on
it).
Mark 5:17-18 - even as Jesus was entering the boat to leave - after
being
asked only once.
Matt 10:14 - whoever does not receive your or heed your words, leave!
Mark 6:11 - anyplace that does not receive you or listen to your words,
leave!
Luke 9:5 - as for those who do not welcome you, leave!

We as a group reject what you offer. Your ministry is not accepted,
required, or welcomed here.

Leave our region.
Leave.
Sail away even as Christ did as an example to you personally.
You are officially asked to leave Grizzle Guts.
You have been given Scriptural precedent to do so.
Leave Grizzle Guts, we implore you.

****************************************************************************
****************

ACC IS A PUBLIC UNMODERATED FORUM

ALL Christians from ALL denominations are welcome on this NG - Catholic,
protestant, orthodox, seventh day adventists, fundamentalists, liberals,
whatever!!!! This includes ALL the Christians plonked and persecuted
by
Grizzle Guts (Cwaig), Vera (666) and the brown shirt "building team"
(What
DO they build???) such as ...

- Woz
- Donna Kupp
- David Matthieu P.P.
- Brenda Kent
- David Chariot
- Annie Asher
- Yusufallah
- Ninure Saunders
- Glenn
- T Grasso
- Nevermore
- Michael Christ
- NoName

You do NOT have to bow to the authoritarian anal retentive Pente Thought
Police!!!!!

Grizzle Guts, Vera (666) and the "building team" are overthrown! The
revolution is here! Bye-bye "building team"!!!

* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *

THE FOLLOWING SITE IS NOT ASSOCIATED WITH THIS UNMODERATED PUBLIC FORUM
FOR
ALL CHRISTIANS AND DOES NOT REPRESENT ACC IN ANY MANNER WHATSOEVER!!!

It is owned by the Pente Usurper Vera 666 and is CENSORED by her!!!

BE WARNED!!!!

* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Where Jesus is BORED & censored by Vera 666!!!

http://www.acc-growing-deeper.de

Too much Kristyun Lite and no Christian substance!

* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *

II Corinthians 10:4 -5 " ...for the weapons of our warfare are NOT
WORLDLY
but have DIVINE POWER TO DESTROY STRONGHOLDS. WE DESTROY ARGUMENTS AND
EVERY PROUD OBSTACLE TO THE KNOWLEDGE OF GOD, AND TAKE EVERY THOUGHT
CAPTIVE
to obey Christ ..."

************************

Newsgroups: alt.christnet.christianlife
Von: "Mark and Bev Tindall" <***@tpg.com.au>
Datum: Sun, 7 Dec 2003 16:56:54 +1100
Lokal: So 7 Dez. 2003 07:56
Betreff: Re: Vera and Griz
Feathered brain roted:

...whatever ..not using her God given brain! ....

To Vera 666 ...IN GRIZZL:E GUT'S OWN WORDS ....

On behalf of all the Christians you have persecuted and plonked on this
unmoderated public Christian forum you are formally asked to leave and
never
return.

A majority of those gathered here to discuss Christian life have agreed
that your authoritarian behaviour is not welcomed here. Bring yourself
to
leave this electronic unmoderated public forum which you never had any
claim
over to begin with. You made ACC a place where Christians from any
denomination were afraid to post. As a result you are not welcomed here
on
ACC.

Grizzle Guts said "every time someone bid Jesus to leave, he did." He
didn't try
to maneuver with words, he didn't say "yea, but", he didn't come up with
clever reasons to remain - even when he had every right to remain."
(Mark
5) Go Vwera 666! This door of ministry is closed to you and your Pente
Usurpers. Your presence here has been more of a hindrance than a help.
You
shoot down those engaged in discussion on Christian life and encourage
the
trolls.

The True, Only Begotten Son of God - during his ministry years here on
earth
- did not hesitate to depart from whence he was urged to depart; even
by
those who lacked full understanding of who He was. Can you, Vera 666, do
the same? ACC formally requests that you leave our region.

If you remain here, we will expect Scriptural precedent for why you do
not
need to follow the example of Jesus Christ in this particular situation.
Bafflegab, nitpicking, dancing with words, name-calling, and
self-aggrandizement are not valid points to put forth.

Check your Bible Vera 666 (the big book-like thingy with the dust on
it).
Mark 5:17-18 - even as Jesus was entering the boat to leave - after
being
asked only once.
Matt 10:14 - whoever does not receive your or heed your words, leave!
Mark 6:11 - anyplace that does not receive you or listen to your words,
leave!
Luke 9:5 - as for those who do not welcome you, leave!

We as a group reject what you offer. Your ministry is not accepted,
required, or welcomed here.

Leave our region.
Leave.
Sail away even as Christ did as an example to you personally.
You are officially asked to leave Vera 666.
You have been given Scriptural precedent to do so.
Leave Vera 666, we implore you.

****************************************************************************

ACC IS A PUBLIC UNMODERATED FORUM

ALL Christians from ALL denominations are welcome on this NG - Catholic,
protestant, orthodox, seventh day adventists, fundamentalists, liberals,
whatever!!!! This includes ALL the Christians plonked and persecuted
by
Grizzle Guts (Cwaig), Vera (666) and the brown shirt "building team"
(What
DO they build???) such as ...

- Woz
- Donna Kupp
- David Matthieu P.P.
- Brenda Kent
- David Chariot
- Annie Asher
- Yusufallah
- Ninure Saunders
- Glenn
- T Grasso
- Nevermore
- Michael Christ
- NoName

You do NOT have to bow to the authoritarian anal retentive Pente Thought
Police!!!!!

Grizzle Guts, Vera (666) and the "building team" are overthrown! The
revolution is here! Bye-bye "building team"!!!

* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *

THE FOLLOWING SITE IS NOT ASSOCIATED WITH THIS UNMODERATED PUBLIC FORUM
FOR
ALL CHRISTIANS AND DOES NOT REPRESENT ACC IN ANY MANNER WHATSOEVER!!!

It is owned by the Pente Usurper Vera 666 and is CENSORED by her!!!

BE WARNED!!!!

* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Where Jesus is BORED & censored by Vera 666!!!

http://www.acc-growing-deeper.de

Care to discuss?

Grizzle Guts and Vera 666 NEVER DISCUSS ...they only hit the plonk!

To Grizzle Guts (Craig) ...IN YOUR OWN WORDS ....

On behalf of all the Christians you have persecuted and plonked on this
unmoderated public Christian forum you are formally asked to leave and
never
return.

A majority of those gathered here to discuss Christian life have agreed
that your authoritarian behaviour is not welcomed here. Bring yourself
to
leave this electronic unmoderated public forum which you never had any
claim
over to begin with. You made ACC a place where Christians from any
denomination were afraid to post. As a result you are not welcomed here
on
ACC.

You said "every time someone bid Jesus to leave, he did." He didn't try
to maneuver with words, he didn't say "yea, but", he didn't come up with
clever reasons to remain - even when he had every right to remain."
(Mark
5) Go Grizzle Guts! This door of ministry is closed to you and your
Pente
Usurpers. Your presence here has been more of a hindrance than a help.
You
shoot down those engaged in discussion on Christian life and encourage
the
trolls.

The True, Only Begotten Son of God - during his ministry years here on
earth
- did not hesitate to depart from whence he was urged to depart; even
by
those who lacked full understanding of who He was. Can you, Grizzle
Guts, do
the same? ACC formally requests that you leave our region.

If you remain here, we will expect Scriptural precedent for why you do
not
need to follow the example of Jesus Christ in this particular situation.
Bafflegab, nitpicking, dancing with words, name-calling, and
self-aggrandizement are not valid points to put forth.

Check your Bible Grizzle guts (the big book-like thingy with the dust on
it).
Mark 5:17-18 - even as Jesus was entering the boat to leave - after
being
asked only once.
Matt 10:14 - whoever does not receive your or heed your words, leave!
Mark 6:11 - anyplace that does not receive you or listen to your words,
leave!
Luke 9:5 - as for those who do not welcome you, leave!

We as a group reject what you offer. Your ministry is not accepted,
required, or welcomed here.

Leave our region.
Leave.
Sail away even as Christ did as an example to you personally.
You are officially asked to leave Grizzle Guts.
You have been given Scriptural precedent to do so.
Leave Grizzle Guts, we implore you.

****************************************************************************
****************

ACC IS A PUBLIC UNMODERATED FORUM

ALL Christians from ALL denominations are welcome on this NG - Catholic,
protestant, orthodox, seventh day adventists, fundamentalists, liberals,
whatever!!!! This includes ALL the Christians plonked and persecuted
by
Grizzle Guts (Cwaig), Vera (666) and the brown shirt "building team"
(What
DO they build???) such as ...

- Woz
- Donna Kupp
- David Matthieu P.P.
- Brenda Kent
- David Chariot
- Annie Asher
- Yusufallah
- Ninure Saunders
- Glenn
- T Grasso
- Nevermore
- Michael Christ
- NoName

You do NOT have to bow to the authoritarian anal retentive Pente Thought
Police!!!!!

Grizzle Guts, Vera (666) and the "building team" are overthrown! The
revolution is here! Bye-bye "building team"!!!

* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *

THE FOLLOWING SITE IS NOT ASSOCIATED WITH THIS UNMODERATED PUBLIC FORUM
FOR
ALL CHRISTIANS AND DOES NOT REPRESENT ACC IN ANY MANNER WHATSOEVER!!!

It is owned by the Pente Usurper Vera 666 and is CENSORED by her!!!

BE WARNED!!!!

* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Where Jesus is BORED & censored by Vera 666!!!

http://www.acc-growing-deeper.de

By their fruits you shall know them!

YOUR FRUITS ARE EVIL!!!!

A visitor to this NG (or any) can read,

... ALL ABOUT YOUR SINS AGAINST FELLOW CHRISTIANS AND YOUR AUTHORITARIAN
CULT.

As the group has grown in strength and discernment, God has allowed
the
adversary to place a few strong ones in our midst so we might sharpen
our
discerning skills.

You have no discernment skills! You are a FRAUD!

WHEN ARE YOU FOLLOWING YOUR OWN ADVICE AND LEAVING????????

To Grizzle Guts (Craig) ...IN YOUR OWN WORDS ....

On behalf of all the Christians you have persecuted and plonked on this
unmoderated public Christian forum you are formally asked to leave and
never
return.

A majority of those gathered here to discuss Christian life have agreed
that your authoritarian behaviour is not welcomed here. Bring yourself
to
leave this electronic unmoderated public forum which you never had any
claim
over to begin with. You made ACC a place where Christians from any
denomination were afraid to post. As a result you are not welcomed here
on
ACC.

You said "every time someone bid Jesus to leave, he did." He didn't try
to maneuver with words, he didn't say "yea, but", he didn't come up with
clever reasons to remain - even when he had every right to remain."
(Mark
5) Go Grizzle Guts! This door of ministry is closed to you and your
Pente
Usurpers. Your presence here has been more of a hindrance than a help.
You
shoot down those engaged in discussion on Christian life and encourage
the
trolls.

The True, Only Begotten Son of God - during his ministry years here on
earth
- did not hesitate to depart from whence he was urged to depart; even
by
those who lacked full understanding of who He was. Can you, Grizzle
Guts, do
the same? ACC formally requests that you leave our region.

If you remain here, we will expect Scriptural precedent for why you do
not
need to follow the example of Jesus Christ in this particular situation.
Bafflegab, nitpicking, dancing with words, name-calling, and
self-aggrandizement are not valid points to put forth.

Check your Bible Grizzle guts (the big book-like thingy with the dust on
it).
Mark 5:17-18 - even as Jesus was entering the boat to leave - after
being
asked only once.
Matt 10:14 - whoever does not receive your or heed your words, leave!
Mark 6:11 - anyplace that does not receive you or listen to your words,
leave!
Luke 9:5 - as for those who do not welcome you, leave!

We as a group reject what you offer. Your ministry is not accepted,
required, or welcomed here.

Leave our region.
Leave.
Sail away even as Christ did as an example to you personally.
You are officially asked to leave Grizzle Guts.
You have been given Scriptural precedent to do so.
Leave Grizzle Guts, we implore you.

****************************************************************************
****************

ACC IS A PUBLIC UNMODERATED FORUM

ALL Christians from ALL denominations are welcome on this NG - Catholic,
protestant, orthodox, seventh day adventists, fundamentalists, liberals,
whatever!!!! This includes ALL the Christians plonked and persecuted
by
Grizzle Guts (Cwaig), Vera (666) and the brown shirt "building team"
(What
DO they build???) such as ...

- Woz
- Donna Kupp
- David Matthieu P.P.
- Brenda Kent
- David Chariot
- Annie Asher
- Yusufallah
- Ninure Saunders
- Glenn
- T Grasso
- Nevermore
- Michael Christ
- NoName

You do NOT have to bow to the authoritarian anal retentive Pente Thought
Police!!!!!

Grizzle Guts, Vera (666) and the "building team" are overthrown! The
revolution is here! Bye-bye "building team"!!!

* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *

THE FOLLOWING SITE IS NOT ASSOCIATED WITH THIS UNMODERATED PUBLIC FORUM
FOR
ALL CHRISTIANS AND DOES NOT REPRESENT ACC IN ANY MANNER WHATSOEVER!!!

It is owned by the Pente Usurper Vera 666 and is CENSORED by her!!!

BE WARNED!!!!

* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Where Jesus is BORED & censored by Vera 666!!!

http://www.acc-growing-deeper.de

Too much Kristyun Lite and no Christian substance!

* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *

II Corinthians 10:4 -5 " ...for the weapons of our warfare are NOT
WORLDLY
but have DIVINE POWER TO DESTROY STRONGHOLDS. WE DESTROY ARGUMENTS AND
EVERY PROUD OBSTACLE TO THE KNOWLEDGE OF GOD, AND TAKE EVERY THOUGHT
CAPTIVE
to obey Christ ..."

************************

Newsgroups: alt.christnet.christianlife
Von: "Mark and Bev Tindall" <***@tpg.com.au>
Datum: Mon, 8 Dec 2003 10:23:00 +1100
Betreff: Re: Vera 666 and Grizzle Gits - please LEAVE!!!!!
Weiterleiten | Drucken | Einzelne Nachricht | Original anzeigen | Diese
Nachricht melden | Nachrichten dieses Autors suchen
"." <***@spam.com> rotted:

...whatever ...

To Vera 666 ...IN GRIZZLE GUTS' OWN WORDS ....

On behalf of all the Christians you have persecuted and plonked on this
unmoderated public Christian forum you are formally asked to leave and
never
return.

A majority of those gathered here to discuss Christian life have agreed
that your authoritarian behaviour is not welcomed here. Bring yourself
to
leave this electronic unmoderated public forum which you never had any
claim
over to begin with. You made ACC a place where Christians from any
denomination were afraid to post. As a result you are not welcomed here
on
ACC.

Grizzle Guts said "every time someone bid Jesus to leave, he did." He
didn't try
to maneuver with words, he didn't say "yea, but", he didn't come up with
clever reasons to remain - even when he had every right to remain."
(Mark
5) Go Vwera 666! This door of ministry is closed to you and your Pente
Usurpers. Your presence here has been more of a hindrance than a help.
You
shoot down those engaged in discussion on Christian life and encourage
the
trolls.

The True, Only Begotten Son of God - during his ministry years here on
earth
- did not hesitate to depart from whence he was urged to depart; even
by
those who lacked full understanding of who He was. Can you, Vera 666, do
the same? ACC formally requests that you leave our region.

If you remain here, we will expect Scriptural precedent for why you do
not
need to follow the example of Jesus Christ in this particular situation.
Bafflegab, nitpicking, dancing with words, name-calling, and
self-aggrandizement are not valid points to put forth.

Check your Bible Vera 666 (the big book-like thingy with the dust on
it).
Mark 5:17-18 - even as Jesus was entering the boat to leave - after
being
asked only once.
Matt 10:14 - whoever does not receive your or heed your words, leave!
Mark 6:11 - anyplace that does not receive you or listen to your words,
leave!
Luke 9:5 - as for those who do not welcome you, leave!

We as a group reject what you offer. Your ministry is not accepted,
required, or welcomed here.

Leave our region.
Leave.
Sail away even as Christ did as an example to you personally.
You are officially asked to leave Vera 666.
You have been given Scriptural precedent to do so.
Leave Vera 666, we implore you.

****************************************************************************

ACC IS A PUBLIC UNMODERATED FORUM

ALL Christians from ALL denominations are welcome on this NG - Catholic,
protestant, orthodox, seventh day adventists, fundamentalists, liberals,
whatever!!!! This includes ALL the Christians plonked and persecuted
by
Grizzle Guts (Cwaig), Vera (666) and the brown shirt "building team"
(What
DO they build???) such as ...

- Woz
- Donna Kupp
- David Matthieu P.P.
- Brenda Kent
- David Chariot
- Annie Asher
- Yusufallah
- Ninure Saunders
- Glenn
- T Grasso
- Nevermore
- Michael Christ
- NoName

You do NOT have to bow to the authoritarian anal retentive Pente Thought
Police!!!!!

Grizzle Guts, Vera (666) and the "building team" are overthrown! The
revolution is here! Bye-bye "building team"!!!

* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *

THE FOLLOWING SITE IS NOT ASSOCIATED WITH THIS UNMODERATED PUBLIC FORUM
FOR
ALL CHRISTIANS AND DOES NOT REPRESENT ACC IN ANY MANNER WHATSOEVER!!!

It is owned by the Pente Usurper Vera 666 and is CENSORED by her!!!

BE WARNED!!!!

* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Where Jesus is BORED & censored by Vera 666!!!

http://www.acc-growing-deeper.de

Sensii

2010-09-14 23:38:47 UTC

On 9/14/2010 5:42 PM, ::: Jesus is LORD ::: wrote:

Lies

Vera lies and therefore:

Vera,
Ye are of [your] father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will
do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth,
because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of
his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

You mother and father your lies.. How is it that you can say Jesus is
your Lord. Jesus does not father your lies. Jesus does not father your
thoughts or your lies.. They are born in you by you.

===============================================
He answered my prayer - not in the way I sought,
Not in the way I had thought he ought,
But in his own good way, and I could see
He answered in the fashion best for me.
And I was glad that I had such a share
In His loving and gracious care.
That He answered prayer.

::: Jesus is LORD :::

2010-09-15 00:18:00 UTC

@@@ MARLENE CAPPS (SENSII, WICKED WITCH AND HOMOSEXUAL ACTIVIST)

We do not want our GOD, HIS WORD, our Saints or the Prophets smeared in
a Christian newsgroup by lost demonically driven and Spiritually empty
people such as you and your group of homosexual fans. You smear our GOD,
you smear our Saints, you smear the Prophets, and you smear God's Word.

Go to a Muslim group and insult Allah, Muhammed and the Koran there the
same way you are acting here - and see what will happen.

Post by Sensii
Lies
Vera,
Ye are of [your] father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye
will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the
truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he
speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

You have just blasphemed, lady.

Post by Sensii
You mother and father your lies.. How is it that you can say Jesus is
your Lord. Jesus does not father your lies. Jesus does not father
your thoughts or your lies.. They are born in you by you.

And again.

But this was to expect from an exposed wicked witch.

_WARNING OF OCCULT PRACTICES IN $$$ CULT CALLED ASTARA_

They are trying to convert people behind the scene and on the scene of
ACC (alt.christnet.christianlife) to sell them occult prractices or make
them members of their cult! They are IN NOWAY CHRISTIAN!

Reading the following message carefully might save you or your family
members and friends from joining one of the new cults of the occult
scene...

________start quoting poster Sensii________

On Thursday, August 12, 2010 6:47 AM [GMT+1=CET],
Sensii <***@yahoo.com> wrote:

I offered to get you a *health reading* not a psychic reading. .

[...]

I personally get a health reading once a year and have found them to
be 100% correct in helping any person become more aware of what's going
on
inside their body.
These come from the Metaphysics class I took for about 6 yrs.
They have a God given talent of being able to read the aura of the
body but from the 3rd level of mind.
Did you know there are 7 levels of mind? (3rd heaven..7th heaven)
biblical.

[...]

If anyone is interested I'll be glad to give you the number...

[...]

The health reading are $ 85.00 very affordable with much more intrinsic
detail than a Dr. visit.
Dr's have their place and are well equipped to help heal the sick .

__________end of quote_________

I do not say that aura magic does not work. But it is what it is:
OCCULT. People should ask themselves whom they want to give their soul,
God or satan. They cannot say they have not been warned now.

Yes, Astara is the new name for Asteroth who shows herself in a new
dress there. She has many similar names... insiders know.

This is from Wikipedia...

________________________________________________
"The name Astaroth was ultimately derived from that of 2nd millennium BC
Phoenician goddess Astarte[1], an equivalent of the Babylonian Ishtar,
and the earlier Sumerian Inanna. She is mentioned in the Hebrew Bible in
the forms Ashtoreth (singular) and Ashtaroth (plural, in reference to
multiple statues of her). This latter form was directly transliterated
in the early Greek and Latin versions of the Bible, where it was less
apparent that it had been a plural feminine in Hebrew."
The pseudepigraphal work Testament of Solomon, attributed to King
Solomon of Israel, but thought to date to the early centuries AD,
mentions "Asteraoth" (in Greek) as an angel, who is opposed to the demon
of power.

The name "Astaroth" as a male demon is first known from The Book of
Abramelin, written in Hebrew ca. 1458, and recurred in most occult
grimoires of the following centuries. Astaroth also features as an
arch-demon associated with the qliphoth (adverse forces) according to
later Kabbalistic texts.

________________________________________________

I just wonder how many posters were asked to get involved with this
occult Astara Cult by Sensi. I have always thought she was rather
harmless, just a little stubborn, but this shows her in a very different
light. It explains her "dislike" for me, too. She knew I would expose
her for teaching the occult right away. "New Ager" was a rather harmless
term for her. There is obviously much more behind her coming here to
Christian groups. I guess she is trying to get members for her cult.

And - ha, ha, ha, just read their "testimonials"
(http://www.astara.org/support-testimonials.shtml).

Does it ring a bell??? $$$

This is Sensii's version:

________start quoting poster Sensii________

Post by Sensii
There are numerous stories where they have helped others gain back
their health and emotional stability through
the teachings of Jesus Christ. ( Do unto others) and they do.
I highly recommend it for anyone who is suffering with pain or
emotional distress and can't find answers from the medical field.
You can be your own judge... But you cannot judge till it you receive
one. :-)

________end of quote________

Thanks for your attention.

Jesus is LORD!

--
___________________________________________________
http://www.acc-growing-deeper.de
http://www.acc-growing-deeper.de/Israel.html

--->>> http://god-bless-obama.blogspot.com/

Sensii

2010-09-15 00:41:58 UTC

On 9/14/2010 7:18 PM, ::: Jesus is LORD ::: wrote:

Sensi:
Vera smears God.

Vera wants God to hate you!

She wants God to burn you in hell for eternity. Vera lies 21080 times
in one month and then expresses lies and hatred to anyone who disagrees
with her philosophy that God hates you. She will even lie to make people
think God hates you.

Vera hates:

Homosexuals
Heterosexuals
People who sing hymns.
People who worship God by singing hymns.
Christians of other denominations
Scripture
Jesus life and instructions for living
A Supernatural God
Jews
Muslims
SDA's
Inspiration
Encouragement
Humans
Life in general
The Present
Cultures other than her own
Prayer Groups
People in prayer groups

Vera is only interested in *her version* of Jesus.

Her version, is Jesus died for only her, a liar and a hateful advocate
for everything under the sun and left everyone else to pay for their
sins and go to hell in Jesus name.

Nhra fan

2010-09-15 00:52:35 UTC

Post by Sensii
Vera smears God.
Vera wants God to hate you!
She wants God to burn you in hell for eternity. Vera lies 21080 times in
one month and then expresses lies and hatred to anyone who disagrees
with her philosophy that God hates you. She will even lie to make people
think God hates you.
Homosexuals

it's hard not to hate gays. a homosexual cannot separate the person
from the depravity

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Mordecai

2010-09-15 03:38:14 UTC

it's hard not to hate gays. a homosexual cannot separate the person
from the depravity

It is hard not to hate heterosexual adulterers. A heterosexual cannot
separate the person from the depravity, the desire to have adulterous
relationships with another.

I do not hate heterosexuals. Some of me best friends are heterosexuals.

Sadly - this is not exactly sarcasm (I wish it were) ... it is lamentable.
How many of your friends do you KNOW have had affairs? How many do you
SUSPECT of having affairs.
And how many men and women talk about their admiration of the opposite sex
when they merely look? Most of the people they look at are married.

If the same standard you use against others is applied to you - how well do
you make out?
Frightening!

Oh ... and look at how many verses discuss adultery ... as compared to the
amount of verses which discuss sodomy? Which is the sin which needs the
most attention?

Heterosexuality? Zero verses. (possibly four if you stretch it)
Homosexuality? Zero verses. (Possibly two if you stretch it)
Sodomy? six to nine verses.
Adultery ... a zillion verses.

--
Mordecai!

When words and actions disagree, believe actions.
When rhetoric and reality disagree, either rhetoric is wrong or reality is
wrong, and reality is Never wrong.

Sensii

2010-09-15 05:00:18 UTC

it's hard not to hate gays. a homosexual cannot separate the person from
the depravity

Sensi:
I once had a boss who was gay.. I had to make a choice of rather to
look at him as an authority figure, respect him for his knowledge, his
critique,his ability to make my job flow or to condemn him, snicker
behind his back,cause him problems by making snide remarks to others
about what his sex life might be like.. I didn't care about that nor did
I give it much thought.
I chose to respect him as an authority figure and we got along just fine..

===============================================
He answered my prayer - not in the way I sought,
Not in the way I had thought he ought,
But in his own good way, and I could see
He answered in the fashion best for me.
And I was glad that I had such a share
In His loving and gracious care.
That He answered prayer.

::: Jesus is LORD :::

2010-09-15 15:05:46 UTC

_WARNING OF OCCULT PRACTICES IN $$$ CULT CALLED ASTARA_

They are trying to convert people behind the scene and on the scene of
ACC (alt.christnet.christianlife) to sell them occult prractices or make
them members of their cult! They are IN NOWAY CHRISTIAN!

Reading the following message carefully might save you or your family
members and friends from joining one of the new cults of the occult
scene...

________start quoting poster Sensii________

On Thursday, August 12, 2010 6:47 AM [GMT+1=CET],
Sensii <***@yahoo.com> wrote:

I offered to get you a *health reading* not a psychic reading. .

[...]

I personally get a health reading once a year and have found them to
be 100% correct in helping any person become more aware of what's going
on
inside their body.
These come from the Metaphysics class I took for about 6 yrs.
They have a God given talent of being able to read the aura of the
body but from the 3rd level of mind.
Did you know there are 7 levels of mind? (3rd heaven..7th heaven)
biblical.

[...]

If anyone is interested I'll be glad to give you the number...

[...]

The health reading are $ 85.00 very affordable with much more intrinsic
detail than a Dr. visit.
Dr's have their place and are well equipped to help heal the sick .

__________end of quote_________

I do not say that aura magic does not work. But it is what it is:
OCCULT. People should ask themselves whom they want to give their soul,
God or satan. They cannot say they have not been warned now.

Yes, Astara is the new name for Asteroth who shows herself in a new
dress there. She has many similar names... insiders know.

This is from Wikipedia...

________________________________________________
"The name Astaroth was ultimately derived from that of 2nd millennium BC
Phoenician goddess Astarte[1], an equivalent of the Babylonian Ishtar,
and the earlier Sumerian Inanna. She is mentioned in the Hebrew Bible in
the forms Ashtoreth (singular) and Ashtaroth (plural, in reference to
multiple statues of her). This latter form was directly transliterated
in the early Greek and Latin versions of the Bible, where it was less
apparent that it had been a plural feminine in Hebrew."
The pseudepigraphal work Testament of Solomon, attributed to King
Solomon of Israel, but thought to date to the early centuries AD,
mentions "Asteraoth" (in Greek) as an angel, who is opposed to the demon
of power.

The name "Astaroth" as a male demon is first known from The Book of
Abramelin, written in Hebrew ca. 1458, and recurred in most occult
grimoires of the following centuries. Astaroth also features as an
arch-demon associated with the qliphoth (adverse forces) according to
later Kabbalistic texts.

________________________________________________

I just wonder how many posters were asked to get involved with this
occult Astara Cult by Sensi. I have always thought she was rather
harmless, just a little stubborn, but this shows her in a very different
light. It explains her "dislike" for me, too. She knew I would expose
her for teaching the occult right away. "New Ager" was a rather harmless
term for her. There is obviously much more behind her coming here to
Christian groups. I guess she is trying to get members for her cult.

And - ha, ha, ha, just read their "testimonials"
(http://www.astara.org/support-testimonials.shtml).

Does it ring a bell??? $$$

This is Sensii's version:

________start quoting poster Sensii________

Seeker

2010-09-15 15:49:30 UTC

Post by ::: Jesus is LORD :::
_WARNING OF OCCULT PRACTICES IN $$$ CULT CALLED ASTARA_

Why the same tired lies Vera? Why so many lies?

::: Jesus is LORD :::

2010-09-18 23:37:42 UTC

Nhra fan

2010-09-15 18:13:28 UTC

it's hard not to hate gays. a homosexual cannot separate the person from
the depravity

I once had a boss who was gay.. I had to make a choice of rather to look
at him as an authority figure, respect him for his knowledge, his
critique,his ability to make my job flow or to condemn him, snicker
behind his back,cause him problems by making snide remarks to others
about what his sex life might be like.. I didn't care about that nor did
I give it much thought.
I chose to respect him as an authority figure and we got along just fine..

I'm coming from this corner; it is the constant lying and attacking
Christians for quoting them the scriptures that are very obviously
dealing with homosexuality, that generates my contempt for them.

For quite while they wanted to be accepted as normal Christians
and allowed to attend church, and then Christians came to a
concensus within each church and began reading the scriptures
dealing with such sins. Now they are starting to change their tune
and keep pace with the atheists, claiming that scripture is valueless
and God does not exist, as well as calling Faith and all religion a
scam.

They are acting as a mass addicted populace, willing to do anything
to maintain an addiction. And they are proving this so daily when
allowing people like Mark Tindall to be a mouth piece for them. I
point specifically at Mark as an example of the type of rhetoric
and activities being pursued against Christians.

One last thing before I leave my soapbox, Christians haven't preached
the gospel to gays because they hate them, they are trying to save
their lives while they are able to be spared. I'm sure there is a
point where God draws a line between what He will accept and won't
tolerate, apostate be that line.

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Sensii

2010-09-15 18:54:57 UTC

it's hard not to hate gays. a homosexual cannot separate the person from
the depravity

I'm coming from this corner; it is the constant lying and attacking
Christians for quoting them the scriptures that are very obviously
dealing with homosexuality, that generates my contempt for them.

Sensi:
Alright, so you sit in that corner... What about 3 other corners?
You shall not judge?
Love thy neighbor as thyself?
Do unto others?

Post by Nhra fan
For quite while they wanted to be accepted as normal Christians
and allowed to attend church, and then Christians came to a
concensus within each church and began reading the scriptures
dealing with such sins. Now they are starting to change their tune
and keep pace with the atheists, claiming that scripture is valueless
and God does not exist, as well as calling Faith and all religion a
scam.

Sensi:
There's not much faith involved for one person to attack another person
with scripture. I've always thought that faith is taking an action as
in do something worthwhile and know that the rewards are great even if
it's trivial and satisfying.
I cleaned my house today, it feels great to have a clean house. I'm
honored to have the opportunity, the willpower and the knowledge of how
to clean. I've accomplished a task for not only myself but for my
family. I have faith that I can do this and therefore I did what needed
to be done.

Post by Nhra fan
They are acting as a mass addicted populace, willing to do anything
to maintain an addiction. And they are proving this so daily when
allowing people like Mark Tindall to be a mouth piece for them. I
point specifically at Mark as an example of the type of rhetoric
and activities being pursued against Christians.

Sensi:

I don't know how to justify my actions towards individuals who are born
with chemical imbalances. My boss for example was a male but had very
feminine characteristics. He moved his hands more like a female and had
a high pitched voice. Should I have told him he was a sinner for being
born with these characteristics? I just accepted him and didn't try to
change his posture or his femininity. I could only *imagine* his sex
life. I would not dare accuse him of practicing sodomy and then yank
out a Bible verse to justify my action. Why? Because it is none of my
business what he does in his bedroom.
This boss of mine was also a Christian and did practice the teachings of
Christ, so what was I to do but practice the same thing towards him..

Post by Nhra fan
One last thing before I leave my soapbox, Christians haven't preached
the gospel to gays because they hate them, they are trying to save
their lives while they are able to be spared. I'm sure there is a
point where God draws a line between what He will accept and won't
tolerate, apostate be that line.

Sensi:
If you think that then wouldn't it be fair to say that that same line is
drawn for everyone for other reasons? Hence, lack of compassion, lack of
understanding, lack of developing neighborly conduct. ??? I don't know
for sure but it seems that one shouldn't get away with not practicing
good conduct towards those who have hormonal issues verses those who are
just downright mean spirited. (Nothing personal against you)

--
===============================================
He answered my prayer - not in the way I sought,
Not in the way I had thought he ought,
But in his own good way, and I could see
He answered in the fashion best for me.
And I was glad that I had such a share
In His loving and gracious care.
That He answered prayer.

Pastor Dave

2010-09-15 19:12:17 UTC

Post by Nhra fan
I'm coming from this corner; it is the constant lying and attacking
Christians for quoting them the scriptures that are very obviously
dealing with homosexuality, that generates my contempt for them.

Alright, so you sit in that corner... What about 3 other corners?
You shall not judge?
Love thy neighbor as thyself?
Do unto others?

How would they eliminate the first corner?

There's not much faith involved for one person to attack another person
with scripture.

It isn't an attack to speak the truth. Why would you want
to have those committing homosexual acts falsely believing
that it is okay and that God has no problem with that?

I don't know how to justify my actions towards individuals who are born
with chemical imbalances.

You are making an assumption. That it is somehow genetic.
But even if it were, you called it an "imbalance". That is
obviously a problem, not a good thing. Either way, having
such an imbalance is not an excuse. They say that addicts
have a chemical imbalance. Would you feed an addict crack?
Would you tell them that it's okay and that God has no problem
with them doing crack?

--
Pastor Dave

"Education is a state-controlled manufactory of echoes."
-Norman Douglas

Jude Alexander

2010-09-15 19:22:35 UTC

Alright, so you sit in that corner... What about 3 other corners?
You shall not judge?
Love thy neighbor as thyself?
Do unto others?

How would they eliminate the first corner?

There's not much faith involved for one person to attack another person
with scripture.

It isn't an attack to speak the truth. Why would you want
to have those committing homosexual acts falsely believing
that it is okay and that God has no problem with that?

I don't know how to justify my actions towards individuals who are born
with chemical imbalances.

Hey, Preterist Heretick, homosexuality is not an addiction to some
substance.

Oh, I just thought of anoth daffynition. I like to make them up and keep
them if they're good.

Heterotick: A heterosexual who claims that such is the only orientation
that "God" and "nature" provide. OBVIOUSLY, a Hetrotick is stoopid because
homosexuality occurs in nature. Yes, an anomoly of nature but it doesn't
come from being addicted, choosing to sin against God, or weak/absent father
and strong mother family dynamic. DUH DUH DUH and yes, Pasta Dave, massive
Heterotick has received Jude's TRIPLE DUH AWARD of 2010!

Post by Pastor Dave
--
Pastor Dave
"Education is a state-controlled manufactory of echoes."
-Norman Douglas

2010-09-16 00:10:14 UTC

Post by Jude Alexander
Hey, Preterist Heretick, homosexuality is not an addiction to some
substance.

Not unless heterosexuality is also an addiction.

When did heretic Pasta Dave CHOOSE to become a heterosexual????

::: Jesus is LORD :::

2010-09-16 00:46:02 UTC

@@@ SENSI (Marlene Capps, wicked witch) and _WARNING OF OCCULT PRACTICES
IN $$$ CULT CALLED ASTARA_

They are trying to convert people behind the scene and on the scene of
ACC (alt.christnet.christianlife) to sell them occult prractices or make
them members of their cult! They are IN NOWAY CHRISTIAN!

Reading the following message carefully might save you or your family
members and friends from joining one of the new cults of the occult
scene...

________start quoting poster Sensii (Marlene Capps)________

On Thursday, August 12, 2010 6:47 AM [GMT+1=CET],
Sensii <***@yahoo.com> wrote:

I offered to get you a *health reading* not a psychic reading. .

[...]

I personally get a health reading once a year and have found them to
be 100% correct in helping any person become more aware of what's going
on
inside their body.
These come from the Metaphysics class I took for about 6 yrs.
They have a God given talent of being able to read the aura of the
body but from the 3rd level of mind.
Did you know there are 7 levels of mind? (3rd heaven..7th heaven)
biblical.

[...]

If anyone is interested I'll be glad to give you the number...

[...]

The health reading are $ 85.00 very affordable with much more intrinsic
detail than a Dr. visit.
Dr's have their place and are well equipped to help heal the sick .

__________end of quote_________

I do not say that aura magic does not work. But it is what it is:
OCCULT. People should ask themselves whom they want to give their soul,
God or satan. They cannot say they have not been warned now.

Yes, Astara is the new name for Asteroth who shows herself in a new
dress there. She has many similar names... insiders know.

This is from Wikipedia...

________________________________________________
"The name Astaroth was ultimately derived from that of 2nd millennium BC
Phoenician goddess Astarte[1], an equivalent of the Babylonian Ishtar,
and the earlier Sumerian Inanna. She is mentioned in the Hebrew Bible in
the forms Ashtoreth (singular) and Ashtaroth (plural, in reference to
multiple statues of her). This latter form was directly transliterated
in the early Greek and Latin versions of the Bible, where it was less
apparent that it had been a plural feminine in Hebrew."
The pseudepigraphal work Testament of Solomon, attributed to King
Solomon of Israel, but thought to date to the early centuries AD,
mentions "Asteraoth" (in Greek) as an angel, who is opposed to the demon
of power.

The name "Astaroth" as a male demon is first known from The Book of
Abramelin, written in Hebrew ca. 1458, and recurred in most occult
grimoires of the following centuries. Astaroth also features as an
arch-demon associated with the qliphoth (adverse forces) according to
later Kabbalistic texts.

________________________________________________

I just wonder how many posters were asked to get involved with this
occult Astara Cult by Sensi. I have always thought she was rather
harmless, just a little stubborn, but this shows her in a very different
light. It explains her "dislike" for me, too. She knew I would expose
her for teaching the occult right away. "New Ager" was a rather harmless
term for her. There is obviously much more behind her coming here to
Christian groups. I guess she is trying to get members for her cult.

And - ha, ha, ha, just read their "testimonials"
(http://www.astara.org/support-testimonials.shtml).

Does it ring a bell??? $$$

This is Sensii's version:

________start quoting poster Sensii________

Seeker

2010-09-15 20:23:00 UTC

On Sep 15, 12:12 pm, Pastor Dave <newsgroup-mail @ tampabay.rr.com>
wrote:
[...]

Post by Pastor Dave
It isn't an attack to speak the truth.

Sure provided you can demonstrate that what you speak is the truth.
It's wrong to make baseless attacks and call them "truth" in order to
justify making the baseless attacks.

Post by Pastor Dave
Why would you want
to have those committing homosexual acts falsely believing
that it is okay and that God has no problem with that?

How can you demonstrate that God has a problem with it? Sorry but
citing the word of men doesn't do that.

[...]

Post by Sensii
I don't know how to justify my actions towards individuals who are born
with chemical imbalances.

You are making an assumption. That it is somehow genetic.

No, you don't understand what genetic means. It could be
environmental.

Post by Pastor Dave
But even if it were, you called it an "imbalance". That is
obviously a problem, not a good thing.

So should you hate blind people because being blind is not as good as
having normal vision?

Post by Pastor Dave
Either way, having
such an imbalance is not an excuse.

Just like being blind is not an excuse for not seeing?

Post by Pastor Dave
They say that addicts
have a chemical imbalance. Would you feed an addict crack?

Your analogy is flawed.

Post by Pastor Dave
Would you tell them that it's okay and that God has no problem
with them doing crack?

That doesn't correspond to being gay.

::: Jesus is LORD :::

2010-09-16 00:42:18 UTC

Seeker

2010-09-16 01:42:52 UTC

Post by ::: Jesus is LORD :::
@@@ SENSI (Marlene Capps, wicked witch) and _WARNING OF OCCULT PRACTICES
IN $$$ CULT CALLED ASTARA_

More lies.

Sensii

2010-09-15 21:15:44 UTC

Alright, so you sit in that corner... What about 3 other corners?
You shall not judge?
Love thy neighbor as thyself?
Do unto others?

How would they eliminate the first corner?

Sensi:

I'm not eliminating the corner.
If you want to be a mental judge of character judging a homosexual then
wouldn't the judge also have to be judged *in that same corner?*

There's not much faith involved for one person to attack another person
with scripture.

It isn't an attack to speak the truth. Why would you want
to have those committing homosexual acts falsely believing
that it is okay and that God has no problem with that?

Sensi:

But the truth is homosexuals exist. Why attack a homosexual who is being
truthful to their plight in life? If they came knocking on your door
and demanded sex from you then you might have a reason to attack.
It shouldn't bother you that people are not born to be just like you or I.
If God created them just like he created you then where does the problem
originate from? Can I ask you if you are perfect in everything you do?
If you say no...then how come you're not perfect? What's the problem?

I don't know how to justify my actions towards individuals who are born
with chemical imbalances.

Sensi:
No, it's not an assumption. It's clear as a bell. When I see a man with
female characteristics of hand motions, body movement, high pitched
voice it is not an assumption... It is real!
They can't fake it, they can't change their voice, or lift weights to
change their hand motions or take on a masculine body when they were
born with female characteristics.
Why would anyone want to assume they were not born this way and then
proceed to feed them fear, shame,guilt and unforgiveness in a tone of
voice that tries to sound like God shouting at them for a body they were
put in to live on earth by God.

They have a hard time understanding this too..

===============================================
He answered my prayer - not in the way I sought,
Not in the way I had thought he ought,
But in his own good way, and I could see
He answered in the fashion best for me.
And I was glad that I had such a share
In His loving and gracious care.
That He answered prayer.

Pastor Dave

2010-09-15 23:11:36 UTC

Post by Nhra fan
I'm coming from this corner; it is the constant lying
and attacking Christians for quoting them the scriptures
that are very obviously dealing with homosexuality,
that generates my contempt for them.

Alright, so you sit in that corner... What about 3 other corners?
You shall not judge?
Love thy neighbor as thyself?
Do unto others?

How would they eliminate the first corner?

I'm not eliminating the corner.
If you want to be a mental judge of character
judging a homosexual then wouldn't the judge
also have to be judged *in that same corner?*

That's a cop out. What you're trying to say, is that
no one should say that homosexual acts are wrong
and you're trying to find any way that you can to
make that true. But the fact is, they are wrong
and it is not wrong to say that they are wrong.
If it were, then toss your Bible, since men wrote
in it that they are wrong.

Post by Nhra fan
For quite while they wanted to be accepted
as normal Christians and allowed to attend
church, and then Christians came to a
concensus within each church and began
reading the scriptures dealing with such sins.
Now they are starting to change their tune
and keep pace with the atheists, claiming
that scripture is valueless and God does
not exist, as well as calling Faith and all
religion a scam.

There's not much faith involved for one person
to attack another person with scripture.

It isn't an attack to speak the truth. Why would you want
to have those committing homosexual acts falsely believing
that it is okay and that God has no problem with that?

But the truth is homosexuals exist.

Existing does not make them right in what they do.
Murderers exist. Using your logic, we should accept
them as being okay with God as well.

Post by Sensii
Why attack a homosexual who is being truthful
to their plight in life?

Once again, you are falsely labeling speaking the truth
as "an attack".

Post by Sensii
If they came knocking on your door and demanded sex
from you then you might have a reason to attack.

It is not an attack to preach the truth of the Gospel.
It is a sin however, to withhold the truth from someone.

We also have a responsibility to preach a warning to sinners:

Ezekiel 3:17-21

17) Son of man, I have made you a watchman for the house of Israel;
therefore hear a word from My mouth, and give them warning from Me:
18) When I say to the wicked, You shall surely die,' and you give him
no warning, nor speak to warn the wicked from his wicked way, to save
his life, that same wicked man shall die in his iniquity; but his blood
I will require at YOUR hand.
19) Yet, if you warn the wicked, and he does not turn from his
wickedness, nor from his wicked way, he shall die in his iniquity;
but you have delivered YOUR soul.
20) Again, when a righteous man turns from his righteousness
and commits iniquity, and I lay a stumbling block before him,
he shall die; because you did not give him warning, he shall
die in his sin, and his righteousness which he has done shall
not be remembered; but his blood I will require at YOUR hand.
21) Nevertheless if you warn the righteous man that the righteous
should not sin, and he does not sin, he shall surely live because
he took warning; also you will have delivered YOUR soul.

And in the New Testament, we are told how to handle those
who will not turn from thier sin.

1 Corinthians 5:1-5

1) It is actually reported that there is sexual immorality among you,
and such sexual immorality as is not even named among the Gentiles;
that a man has his father's wife!
2) And you are puffed up, and have not rather mourned, that he
who has done this deed might be taken away from among you.
3) For I indeed, as absent in body but present in spirit, have already
judged (as though I were present) him who has so done this deed.
4) In the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, when you are gathered
together, along with my spirit, with the power of our Lord Jesus
Christ,
5) deliver such a one to Satan for the destruction of the flesh,
that his spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.

So even those who have sought to serve the Lord, but still sin,
must be removed from the church (unless they repent) and
remember, that "repent" was the first thing that both John
the Baptist and Jesus Himself preached!

Post by Sensii
It shouldn't bother you that people are not born to be
just like you or I. If God created them just like he created
you then where does the problem originate from?

Once again, you make the claim that homosexuals are
"born that way". There is no proof of any such thing.
But again, even if they were, so was a crack addict then.
So answer the question that you are dodging...

Would you then feed them crack? Yes or no?

Post by Sensii
Can I ask you if you are perfect in everything you do?

Another cop out. People aren't perfect, so we should
accept homosexual acts as being okay? Sorry, that
doesn't work and we both know it!

The Scriptures condemn it and I trust God's word
over your New Age garbage!

Post by Sensii
If you say no...then how come you're not perfect?
What's the problem?

The difference is, I don't claim that my "imperfections"
are okay.

Post by Nhra fan
They are acting as a mass addicted populace,
willing to do anything to maintain an addiction.
And they are proving this so daily when allowing
people like Mark Tindall to be a mouth piece for
them. I point specifically at Mark as an example
of the type of rhetoric and activities being pursued
against Christians.

I don't know how to justify my actions towards
individuals who are born with chemical imbalances.

No, it's not an assumption.

Yes, it is an assumption. There is zero scientific evidence
that it is genetic. Zero!

And again, you have dodge the question! Addicts are also
claimed to be "born that way". Do you feed them what
they are addicted to and claim that's okay with God for
them to remain living in that sin? Yes or no?

Your dodging of this question proves that you know
that the answer is no and wish to dodge answering it.

--
Pastor Dave

"All concepts are Godliness to the twister of words."
- Unknown

::: Jesus is LORD :::

2010-09-15 23:31:03 UTC

PRETERISM IS WRONG!

And I will gather the remnant of my flock out of all countries whither I
have driven them, and will bring them again to their folds; and they
shall be fruitful and increase. And I will set up shepherds over them
which shall feed them: and they shall fear no more, nor be dismayed,
neither shall they be lacking, saith the LORD. Behold, the days come,
saith the LORD, that I will raise unto David a righteous Branch, and a
King shall reign and prosper, and shall execute judgment and justice in
the earth. In his days Judah shall be saved, and Israel shall dwell
safely: and this is his name whereby he shall be called, THE LORD OUR
RIGHTEOUSNESS. (Jeremiah 23:3-6 KJV)

This above is a prophecy by Jeremiah. It speaks of the Coming of the
Messiah after He will collect the Jews after being scattered.
Interesting enough, the people of Israel have been banished from their
land twice, and they have been returning returning there for a second
time in the last centuries. Know that prophecies can be fulfilled
several times. (cf. http://100prophecies.org/page9.htm)

The burden of the word of the LORD for Israel, saith the LORD, which
stretcheth forth the heavens, and layeth the foundation of the earth,
and formeth the spirit of man within him. Behold, I will make Jerusalem
a cup of trembling unto all the people round about, when they shall be
in the siege both against Judah and against Jerusalem. And in that day
will I make Jerusalem a burdensome stone for all people: all that burden
themselves with it shall be cut in pieces, though all the people of the
earth be gathered together against it. In that day, saith the LORD, I
will smite every horse with astonishment, and his rider with madness:
and I will open mine eyes upon the house of Judah, and will smite every
horse of the people with blindness. And the governors of Judah shall say
in their heart, The inhabitants of Jerusalem shall be my strength in the
LORD of hosts their God. (Zechariah 12:1-5 KJV)

And they asked him, saying, Master, but when shall these things be? and
what sign will there be when these things shall come to pass? And he
said, Take heed that ye be not deceived: for many shall come in my name,
saying, I am Christ; and the time draweth near: go ye not therefore
after them. But when ye shall hear of wars and commotions, be not
terrified: for these things must first come to pass; but the end is not
by and by. Then said he unto them, Nation shall rise against nation, and
kingdom against kingdom: And great earthquakes shall be in divers
places, and famines, and pestilences; and fearful sights and great signs
shall there be from heaven. But before all these, they shall lay their
hands on you, and persecute you, delivering you up to the synagogues,
and into prisons, being brought before kings and rulers for my name's
sake. And it shall turn to you for a testimony. Settle it therefore in
your hearts, not to meditate before what ye shall answer: For I will
give you a mouth and wisdom, which all your adversaries shall not be
able to gainsay nor resist. And ye shall be betrayed both by parents,
and brethren, and kinsfolks, and friends; and some of you shall they
cause to be put to death. And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's
sake. But there shall not an hair of your head perish. In your patience
possess ye your souls. And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with
armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh. Then let them
which are in Judaea flee to the mountains; and let them which are in the
midst of it depart out; and let not them that are in the countries enter
thereinto. For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are
written may be fulfilled. But woe unto them that are with child, and to
them that give suck, in those days! for there shall be great distress in
the land, and wrath upon this people. And they shall fall by the edge of
the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem
shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles
be fulfilled. And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and
in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity;
the sea and the waves roaring; Men's hearts failing them for fear, and
for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the
powers of heaven shall be shaken. And then shall they see the Son of man
coming in a cloud with power and great glory. And when these things
begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your
redemption draweth nigh. And he spake to them a parable; Behold the fig
tree, and all the trees; When they now shoot forth, ye see and know of
your own selves that summer is now nigh at hand. So likewise ye, when ye
see these things come to pass, know ye that the kingdom of God is nigh
at hand. Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass away,
till all be fulfilled. Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words
shall not pass away. (Luke 21:7-33 KJV)

For the Lord himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the
voice of the archangel, and with God's trumpet. The dead in Christ will
rise first, then we who are alive, who are left, will be caught up
together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air. So we
will be with the Lord forever. (1 Thessalonians 4:16-17 WEB)

An oracle. The word of Yahweh concerning Israel. Yahweh, who stretches
out the heavens, and lays the foundation of the earth, and forms the
spirit of man within him says: "Behold, I will make Jerusalem a cup of
reeling to all the surrounding peoples, and on Judah also will it be in
the siege against Jerusalem. It will happen in that day, that I will
make Jerusalem a burdensome stone for all the peoples. All who burden
themselves with it will be severely wounded, and all the nations of the
earth will be gathered together against it. In that day," says Yahweh,
"I will strike every horse with terror, and his rider with madness; and
I will open my eyes on the house of Judah, and will strike every horse
of the peoples with blindness. The chieftains of Judah will say in their
heart, 'The inhabitants of Jerusalem are my strength in Yahweh of Hosts
their God.' In that day I will make the chieftains of Judah like a pan
of fire among wood, and like a flaming torch among sheaves; and they
will devour all the surrounding peoples, on the right hand and on the
left; and Jerusalem will yet again dwell in their own place, even in
Jerusalem. Yahweh also will save the tents of Judah first, that the
glory of the house of David and the glory of the inhabitants of
Jerusalem not be magnified above Judah. In that day Yahweh will defend
the inhabitants of Jerusalem. He who is feeble among them at that day
will be like David, and the house of David will be like God, like the
angel of Yahweh before them. It will happen in that day, that I will
seek to destroy all the nations that come against Jerusalem. I will pour
on the house of David, and on the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit
of grace and of supplication; and they will look to me whom they have
pierced; and they shall mourn for him, as one mourns for his only son,
and will grieve bitterly for him, as one grieves for his firstborn. In
that day there will be a great mourning in Jerusalem, like the mourning
of Hadadrimmon in the valley of Megiddon. The land will mourn, every
family apart; the family of the house of David apart, and their wives
apart; the family of the house of Nathan apart, and their wives apart;
the family of the house of Levi apart, and their wives apart; the family
of the Shimeites apart, and their wives apart; all the families who
remain, every family apart, and their wives apart. (Zechariah 12:1-14
WEB)

Question: "What is the Second Coming of Jesus Christ?"

Answer: The Second Coming of Jesus Christ is the hope of believers that
God is in control of all things, and is faithful to the promises and
prophecies in His Word. In His first coming, Jesus Christ came to earth
as a baby in a manager in Bethlehem, just as prophesied. Jesus fulfilled
many of the prophecies of the Messiah during His birth, life, ministry,
death, and resurrection. However, there are some prophecies regarding
the Messiah that Jesus has not, as of yet, fulfilled. The Second Coming
of Christ will be the return of Christ to fulfill these remaining
prophecies. In His first coming, Jesus was the suffering servant. In His
Second Coming, Jesus will be the conquering King. In His first coming,
Jesus arrived in the most humble of circumstances. In His Second Coming,
Jesus will arrive with the armies of Heaven at His side.

The Old Testament Prophets did not make this distinction between the two
comings. This can be seen in Scriptures such as Isaiah 7:14; 9:6-7; and
Zechariah 14:4. As a result of the prophecies seeming to speak of two
individuals, many Jewish scholars believed there would be both a
suffering Messiah and a conquering Messiah. What they failed to
understand is that the same Messiah would fulfill both roles. Jesus
fulfilled the role of the suffering servant (Isaiah chapter 53) in His
first coming. Jesus will fulfill the role of Israel's deliverer and King
in His Second Coming. Zechariah 12:10 and Revelation 1:7, describing the
Second Coming, look back to Jesus being pierced. Israel, and the whole
world, will mourn for not having accepted the Messiah the first time He
came.

After Jesus ascended into Heaven, the angels declared to the apostles,
"Men of Galilee, why do you stand looking into the sky? This Jesus, who
has been taken up from you into heaven, will come in just the same way
as you have watched Him go into heaven" (Acts 1:11). Zechariah 14:4
identifies the location of the Second Coming as the Mount of Olives.
Matthew 24:30 declares, "At that time the sign of the Son of Man will
appear in the sky, and all the nations of the earth will mourn. They
will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of the sky, with power and
great glory." Titus 2:13 describes the Second Coming as a "glorious
appearing."

The Second Coming is spoken of in greatest detail in Revelation
19:11-16, "And I saw heaven opened, and behold, a white horse, and He
who sat on it is called Faithful and True, and in righteousness He
judges and wages war. His eyes are a flame of fire, and on His head are
many diadems; and He has a name written on Him which no one knows except
Himself. He is clothed with a robe dipped in blood, and His name is
called The Word of God. And the armies which are in heaven, clothed in
fine linen, white and clean, were following Him on white horses. From
His mouth comes a sharp sword, so that with it He may strike down the
nations, and He will rule them with a rod of iron; and He treads the
wine press of the fierce wrath of God, the Almighty. And on His robe and
on His thigh He has a name written, "KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS."

http://www.gotquestions.org/second-coming-Jesus-Christ.html

http://www.gotquestions.org/preterist.html

Seeker

2010-09-15 23:41:23 UTC

[...]

Post by Sensii
I'm not eliminating the corner.
If you want to be a mental judge of character
judging a homosexual then wouldn't the judge
also have to be judged *in that same corner?*

That's a cop out. What you're trying to say, is that
no one should say that homosexual acts are wrong
and you're trying to find any way that you can to
make that true.

Since you brought it up, where have you established that homosexual
acts are wrong between consenting adults? You've got the Word of Men
of course. But the Bible doesn't mean anything in the real world does
it. It's just the opinion of men who died long ago.

But the fact is, they are wrong . . .

Proof? You don't have any. You are persecuting people because of
beliefs you hold.

. . . and it is not wrong to say that they are wrong.

I don't think anybody is trying to take away your right to say false
things.

in it that they are wrong.

That doesn't mean we must throw it away. But yes it is the opinion of
men and many of them were wrong about a great many things.

[...]

Post by Sensii
But the truth is homosexuals exist.

Existing does not make them right in what they do.

Homosexuals do a wide range of things. Some homosexual men marry a
woman, have sex only with her, join a church that hates gays and
become a champion of hatemongers and they shout out against gays. Yet
they are just as gay as any other gay man.

Murderers exist. Using your logic, we should accept
them as being okay with God as well.

Murderers are defined by an action. Gays are defined by an
orientation. Your analogy fails.

Post by Sensii
Why attack a homosexual who is being truthful
to their plight in life?

Once again, you are falsely labeling speaking the truth
as "an attack".

You falsely label your opinion as "the truth".

Post by Sensii
If they came knocking on your door and demanded sex
from you then you might have a reason to attack.

It is not an attack to preach the truth of the Gospel.

Is this a truth that you cannot support in any way except to quote the
Word of Men? That is just a belief. It's not known unless you can
demonstrate it is true.

It is a sin however, to withhold the truth from someone.
Ezekiel 3:17-21

The Word of Men.
[...]

::: Jesus is LORD :::

2010-09-16 00:28:23 UTC

~~*°*~~ BACK TO THE ROOTS ~~*°*~~
A GROWING DEEPER BIBLE STUDY
MEDITATING ON ROMANS 1:18-32
(see and cf. King James Version, Romans 1:18-32)
by Vera Six / Jesus is LORD!
The Bible says that people who do not stay in the doctrine of Christ,
does not have God.
There are more and more confused people coming to Christian newsgroups
and Christian forums who want to make us believe this is not true, and
that we Christians just have to accept any form of perversity as a
Christian virtue. More and more Christians have fallen into the trap
and accept it, and even prefer to attack the messenger of God's Word
instead of exposing and rejecting the wicked announcers of this false
gospel.
Let us speak of sexual perversities like homosexuality, for example.
We Christians *know* that God created this world, and that He made
and he took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh instead thereof;
And the rib, which the LORD God had taken from man, made he a woman,
and brought her unto the man. And Adam said, This is now bone of my
bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman, because she
was taken out of Man. Therefore shall a man leave his father and his
mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh.
And they were both naked, the man and his wife, and were not ashamed.
(Gen 2:21-25 KJV)
He created them in His image! God is no pervert, and neither should
His creation be.
So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he
him; male and female created he them. And God blessed them, and God
said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth,
and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over
the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the
earth. (Gen 1:27-28 KJV)
This is a fundamental part of the Christian faith onto which all other
things are built to have a house of stone not built on sand. The devil
sends the perverts, however, into our Christian newsgroups or internet
forums to undermine that part and claim homosexuality is much welcome
with God. Are they fruitful? Can they multiply?
God also says (cf. Romans 1:18-32), however, that their lifestyle is
just a sign from Heaven, a sign for His WRATH against all ungodliness
and unrighteousness of men who should know better. They could know
about God by what they can see in their environment, in nature, or in
any other good things they are shown. But no, they just ignore God
and His eternal power, although they could all see His works in His
creation!
They have no excuse not to see who God is.
And if they do see it, they do not glorify Him at all, nor give thanks
to Him. They made their own false gospels as can be seen here day in,
day out. and their hearts darkened, even so much that they have no
scruples to persecute those who bring the real Gospel of Jesus Christ.
They think they are clever and know much, but in reality they have
become fools and changed what should be God's image into an image of
animals. That is why God gave them lust into their hearts to be
unclean through them. Now they have to keep on dishonoring their own
bodies between themselves. Not only do the men pervert God's
creation, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust
one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and
receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was
meet, but the women as well changed the natural use of their bodies
into that which is against nature.
They changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served
the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever.
~~*°*~~
Now you know why God gave them up unto vile affections. But they are
they doing it? They might even believe it is their own decision - but
that is far from the truth. God said through Paul in Romans 1:28 that
they have to do it, because God gave them over to a reprobate mind,
and filled them with all those perverted things [Paul lists them up in
Romans 1:29-31: "Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication,
wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate,
deceit, malignity; whisperers, Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful,
proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,
Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection,
implacable, unmerciful"- KJV]
Those who rreject God even know that their end will be the second
death which the Apostle John is speaking of in Revelation (cf. Rev
21:8 KJV: "But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and
murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all
liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and
brimstone: which is the second death.) They are wicked enough to draw
other in, too, and have pleasure to get them do all the pervert
things they do themselves.
God says in the end of Romans 1 through the Apostle Paul that all
those who rejected God (the homosexuals were just used as an example)
are worthy of this second death after the Last Trumpet on Judgment
Day.
~~*°*~~
Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ,
hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both
the Father and the Son. If there come any unto you, and bring not this
For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds. (2
John 1:9-11 KJV)
~~*°*~~
I am debtor both to the Greeks, and to the Barbarians; both to the
wise, and to the unwise. So, as much as in me is, I am ready to
preach the gospel to you that are at Rome also. For I am not ashamed
of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to
every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.
as it is written, The just shall live by faith. (Rom 1:14-17 KJV)
~~*°*~~
Please feel free to copy and paste this and spread this article as
much as you see fit, provided that you do not change the context or
the correct wording or authorship. Be warned by Paul: the homosexuals
want us to be ashamed of the Gospel. I am not! I can only encourage
you to stand up against the gay lobby and PREACH GOD'S WORD as long
as they allow you doing it.
I would be glad if you corrected my grammatical or semantical
mistakes, so the message can be passed on even better, but please let
me know, so I can change the mistakes in the original, too. Thanks!
--
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http://www.acc-growing-deeper.de/Israel.html
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2010-09-16 00:16:44 UTC

Post by Pastor Dave
That's a cop out. What you're trying to say, is that
no one should say that homosexual acts are wrong

NO.

READ SLOWLY.

"Homosexuality is not a sin."

That does not mention homosexual ACTS.

WHICH ACTS are you talking about?????

Oral sex? Mutual masturbation?

BOTH are used by HETEROSEXUALS as well!!!!!

Post by Pastor Dave
in it that they are wrong.

One does not need to toss one's bible even though it is entirely man-made.
it still contains truth.

All truth is God's truth no matter where it is found.
All that is not true is not God's truth even if it is found in the bible.

Take the good. Spit out the bad.

SLAVERY IS CONDONED IN THE BIBLE

THEREFORE ..................

WANTED: MALE AND FEMALE FUNDAMENTALIST GENTILE SLAVES
1. I want to buy two Fundamentalist Gentiles as my personal slaves (one
woman, one man) ... just like in the Bible.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Leviticus 25:44-46
"Both thy bondmen, and thy bondmaids, which thou shalt have, shall be of the
heathen that are round about you; of them shall ye buy bondmen and
bondmaids. Moreover of the children of the strangers that do sojourn among
you, of them shall ye buy, and of their families that are with you, which
they begat in your land: and they shall be your possession. And ye shall
take them as an inheritance for your children after you, to inheritthem for
a possession; they shall be your bondmen for ever: but over your brethren
the children of Israel, ye shall not rule one over another with rigour."
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

2. My male Fundamentalist Gentile Slave will be circumcised for free (if not
done already).

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Genesis 17:13 "He that is born in thy house, and he that is bought with thy
money, must needs be circumcised: and my covenant shall be in your flesh for
an everlasting covenant."Genesis 17:27 "And all the men of his house, born
in the house, and bought with money of the stranger, were circumcised with
him."

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

3. My female Fundamentalist Gentile Slave must not be not married or engaged
as I want to use her for my own sexual pleasure. (Though if an engagedfemale
is all I can acquire I am prepared to pay the trespass offering, let her be
killed and get another female. )

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Leviticus 19:20-22 "And whosoever lieth carnally with a woman, that is a
bondmaid, betrothed to an husband, and not at all redeemed, nor freedom
given her; she shall be scourged; they shall not be put to death, because
she was not free. And he shall bring his trespass offering unto the Lord,
unto the door of the tabernacle of the congregation, even a ram for a
trespass offering. And the priest shall make an atonement for him with the
ram of the trespass offering before the Lord for his sin which he hath done:
and the sin which he hath done shall be forgiven him."

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

4. My Fundamentalist Gentile Slaves will not be subject to reselling.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Exodus 21:8 "If she please not her master, who hath betrothed her to
himself, then shall he let her be redeemed: to sell her unto a strange
nation he shall have no power, seeing he hath dealt deceitfully with her.
And if he have betrothed her unto his son, he shall deal with her after
themanner of daughters. If he take him another wife; her food, her raiment,
and her duty of marriage, shall he not diminish. And if he do not these
three unto her, then shall she go out free without money."

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

5. I am willing to accept as a Fundamentalist Gentile Slave a debtor (or his
/ her children) who cannot pay back creditors.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

II Kings 4:1 "Now there cried a certain woman of the wives of the sons of
the prophets unto Elisha, saying, Thy servant my husband is dead; and thou
knowest that thy servant did fear the Lord: and the creditor is come to take
unto him my two sons to be
bondmen."~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

6. My Fundamentalist Gentile Slaves may, themselves, own slaves.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

2 Samuel 9:10: "...Now Ziba [Saul's slave] had fifteen sons and twenty
servants."

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

7. My Fundamentalist Gentile Slaves may have the Sabbath [Saturday] off but
work 14 / 6 otherwise.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Exodus 20:10 "But the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord thy God: in it
thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy
manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is
within thy gates."

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

8. If a suitable female Fundamentalist Gentile Slave is not found soon I may
have to invade another country to obtain a female Fundamentalist Gentile
Slave for free. I will let the invaded country keep the female's children,
cattle and everything else to show that I am a Trew Kristyun who is only
following what "God's Word" says that I am allowed to do.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Deuteronomy 20:14 "But the women, and the little ones, and the cattle, and
all that is in the city, even all the spoil thereof, shalt thou take unto
thyself"

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

My buying price for each Fundamentalist Gentile Slave is $1.99 (Aus)

All offers considered.

Please send photo, personal details (age, vital statistics, proof of being a
Fundamentalist Trew Kristyun Gentile, proof of being a virgin) attached to
your reply to this post.

::: Jesus is LORD :::

2010-09-16 00:22:13 UTC

Nhra fan

2010-09-15 20:18:15 UTC

it's hard not to hate gays. a homosexual cannot separate the person from
the depravity

I'm coming from this corner; it is the constant lying and attacking
Christians for quoting them the scriptures that are very obviously
dealing with homosexuality, that generates my contempt for them.

Alright, so you sit in that corner... What about 3 other corners?
You shall not judge?
Love thy neighbor as thyself?
Do unto others?

Ask those that don't believe and see what they say. They have
already been judged by God in the scriptures Sensi....not by
Gods followers. God's people are only making known Gods judgment,
not their own..

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Sensii

2010-09-15 21:25:32 UTC

it's hard not to hate gays. a homosexual cannot separate the person from
the depravity

I'm coming from this corner; it is the constant lying and attacking
Christians for quoting them the scriptures that are very obviously
dealing with homosexuality, that generates my contempt for them.

Alright, so you sit in that corner... What about 3 other corners?
You shall not judge?
Love thy neighbor as thyself?
Do unto others?

Sensi:
I'm going to leave you alone to think as you want to think....
*of them.* You be the judge *of them* and act towards *them* as you
choose to act towards *them.* Even the judge has to be judged by
his/her own personal actions that will surely exclude *them.*

Rod

2010-09-15 21:39:07 UTC

it's hard not to hate gays. a homosexual cannot separate the person from
the depravity

I'm coming from this corner; it is the constant lying and attacking
Christians for quoting them the scriptures that are very obviously
dealing with homosexuality, that generates my contempt for them.

Alright, so you sit in that corner... What about 3 other corners?
You shall not judge?
Love thy neighbor as thyself?
Do unto others?

I'm going to leave you alone to think as you want to think....
*of them.* You be the judge *of them* and act towards *them* as you
choose to act towards *them.* Even the judge has to be judged by
his/her own personal actions that will surely exclude *them.*

For the most part, after they refuse to listen I avoid them
and have nothing further to do with them, unless I am approached
or threatened, as has been the case in the past. There exists
a coalition of radical atheists and gays that espouse the murder
of Christians, a very good reason to keep tabs on them while
avoiding them.

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Sensii

2010-09-15 21:59:51 UTC

it's hard not to hate gays. a homosexual cannot separate the person from
the depravity

I'm coming from this corner; it is the constant lying and attacking
Christians for quoting them the scriptures that are very obviously
dealing with homosexuality, that generates my contempt for them.

Alright, so you sit in that corner... What about 3 other corners?
You shall not judge?
Love thy neighbor as thyself?
Do unto others?

Sensi:
It's probably best to just avoid them rather than to anger them as with
anyone. I've not experienced anything bad happening to me from them..
It's usually, well, I hate to say it but it's Christians that I've had
the worst experiences from.

Sensii

2010-09-15 22:05:12 UTC

it's hard not to hate gays. a homosexual cannot separate the person from
the depravity

I'm coming from this corner; it is the constant lying and attacking
Christians for quoting them the scriptures that are very obviously
dealing with homosexuality, that generates my contempt for them.

Alright, so you sit in that corner... What about 3 other corners?
You shall not judge?
Love thy neighbor as thyself?
Do unto others?

It's probably best to just avoid them rather than to anger them as with
anyone. I've not experienced anything bad happening to me from them..
It's usually, well, I hate to say it but it's Christians that I've had
the worst experiences from.

Oh, and that would be heterosexual Christians btw.

Rod

2010-09-15 23:28:28 UTC

it's hard not to hate gays. a homosexual cannot separate the person
from
the depravity

I once had a boss who was gay.. I had to make a choice of rather to look
at him as an authority figure, respect him for his knowledge, his
critique,his ability to make my job flow or to condemn him, snicker
behind his back,cause him problems by making snide remarks to others
about what his sex life might be like.. I didn't care about that
nor
did
I give it much thought.
I chose to respect him as an authority figure and we got along just fine..

I'm coming from this corner; it is the constant lying and attacking
Christians for quoting them the scriptures that are very obviously
dealing with homosexuality, that generates my contempt for them.

Alright, so you sit in that corner... What about 3 other corners?
You shall not judge?
Love thy neighbor as thyself?
Do unto others?

Oh, and that would be heterosexual Christians btw.

People as a specie are violent, that's a fact of life. Survival calls
for it many times in a persons life. We can make choices, and many times
we make the right moral choice, but there is a wide gap between the
right moral choice, and the choice made to survive. The gays are making
a survival choice, they are under the mistaken belief that choosing
God's way means death for them...it doesn't..it means the end of sin
and the beginning of life. Gays are bent on self destruction, all the
more so because they dishonor their bodies, sinning against themselves
and against God. Their sex habits are unnatural to the order that God
has laid down and transgress His design, which was to enable the human
race to replicate itself and populate the planet, preventing the species
from dying out.
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Sensii

2010-09-16 02:10:51 UTC

Post by Sensii
Vera smears God.
Vera wants God to hate you!
She wants God to burn you in hell for eternity. Vera lies 21080
times in
one month and then expresses lies and hatred to anyone who disagrees
with her philosophy that God hates you. She will even lie to
make
people
think God hates you.
Homosexuals

it's hard not to hate gays. a homosexual cannot separate the person
from
the depravity

I once had a boss who was gay.. I had to make a choice of
rather to
look
at him as an authority figure, respect him for his knowledge, his
critique,his ability to make my job flow or to condemn him, snicker
behind his back,cause him problems by making snide remarks to others
about what his sex life might be like.. I didn't care about that
nor
did
I give it much thought.
I chose to respect him as an authority figure and we got along
just
fine..

I'm coming from this corner; it is the constant lying and attacking
Christians for quoting them the scriptures that are very obviously
dealing with homosexuality, that generates my contempt for them.

Alright, so you sit in that corner... What about 3 other corners?
You shall not judge?
Love thy neighbor as thyself?
Do unto others?

Oh, and that would be heterosexual Christians btw.

Sensi:
You mean the fight or flight instinct. The toughest guy doesn't always
win every battle he fights.
I'm glad you brought up moral choices though cause they do make us who
and what we are.

I like the idea that we each have a mental/moral body given to us and
when we screw around with it in the *wrong* way we are given ample
opportunities to correct any immoral issues that we *produce.*
This applies to heteros, the same as homos..

mor·al
/ˈmɔrəl, ˈmɒr-/ Show Spelled[mawr-uhl, mor-] Show IPA
–adjective
1.
of, pertaining to, or concerned with the principles or rules of right
conduct or the distinction between right and wrong; ethical: moral
attitudes.
2.
expressing or conveying truths or counsel as to right conduct, as a
speaker or a literary work; moralizing: a moral novel.
3.
founded on the fundamental principles of right conduct rather than on
legalities, enactment, or custom: moral obligations.
4.
capable of conforming to the rules of right conduct: a moral being.
5.
conforming to the rules of right conduct ( opposed to immoral): a moral man.
6.
virtuous in sexual matters; chaste.
7.
of, pertaining to, or acting on the mind, feelings, will, or character:
moral support.
8.
resting upon convincing grounds of probability; virtual: a moral certainty.
–noun
9.
the moral teaching or practical lesson contained in a fable, tale,
experience, etc.
10.
the embodiment or type of something.
11.
morals, principles or habits with respect to right or wrong conduct.

And here are some synonyms

conscientious
significance
meritorious
respectable
trustworthy
immaculate
scrupulous

upright, honest, straightforward, open, virtuous, honorable. 11.
integrity, standards, morality. Morals, ethics refer to rules and
standards of conduct and practice. Morals refers to generally accepted
customs of conduct and right living in a society, and to the
individual's practice in relation to these: the morals of our
civilization. Ethics now implies high standards of honest and honorable
dealing, and of methods used, esp. in the professions or in business:
ethics of the medical profession.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/moral

No mention that heterosexuals practice more morals than homosexuals.

That leaves me to think it's not about sexual bodies practicing with sex
organs but more about the practice of moral issues that in a way
multiply and produce good moral decent children of God in the same body
as Jesus Christ. Obviously it is not about Jesus having a a male
physical body but a moral body that looks somewhat like his whether male
or female.

That's my nickels worth.

Rod

2010-09-16 03:06:36 UTC

Post by Sensii
Vera smears God.
Vera wants God to hate you!
She wants God to burn you in hell for eternity. Vera lies 21080
times in
one month and then expresses lies and hatred to anyone who disagrees
with her philosophy that God hates you. She will even lie to
make
people
think God hates you.
Homosexuals

it's hard not to hate gays. a homosexual cannot separate the person
from
the depravity
---

I once had a boss who was gay.. I had to make a choice of
rather to
look
at him as an authority figure, respect him for his knowledge, his
critique,his ability to make my job flow or to condemn him, snicker
behind his back,cause him problems by making snide remarks to others
about what his sex life might be like.. I didn't care about that
nor
did
I give it much thought.
I chose to respect him as an authority figure and we got along
just
fine..

I'm coming from this corner; it is the constant lying and attacking
Christians for quoting them the scriptures that are very obviously
dealing with homosexuality, that generates my contempt for them.

Alright, so you sit in that corner... What about 3 other corners?
You shall not judge?
Love thy neighbor as thyself?
Do unto others?

Oh, and that would be heterosexual Christians btw.

You mean the fight or flight instinct. The toughest guy doesn't always
win every battle he fights.
I'm glad you brought up moral choices though cause they do make us who
and what we are.
I like the idea that we each have a mental/moral body given to us and
when we screw around with it in the *wrong* way we are given ample
opportunities to correct any immoral issues that we *produce.*
This applies to heteros, the same as homos..
mor·al
/ˈmɔrəl, ˈmɒr-/ Show Spelled[mawr-uhl, mor-] Show IPA
–adjective
1.
of, pertaining to, or concerned with the principles or rules of right
conduct or the distinction between right and wrong; ethical: moral
attitudes.
2.
expressing or conveying truths or counsel as to right conduct, as a
speaker or a literary work; moralizing: a moral novel.
3.
founded on the fundamental principles of right conduct rather than on
legalities, enactment, or custom: moral obligations.
4.
capable of conforming to the rules of right conduct: a moral being.
5.
conforming to the rules of right conduct ( opposed to immoral): a moral man.
6.
virtuous in sexual matters; chaste.
7.
moral support.
8.
resting upon convincing grounds of probability; virtual: a moral certainty.
–noun
9.
the moral teaching or practical lesson contained in a fable, tale,
experience, etc.
10.
the embodiment or type of something.
11.
morals, principles or habits with respect to right or wrong conduct.
And here are some synonyms
conscientious
significance
meritorious
respectable
trustworthy
immaculate
scrupulous
upright, honest, straightforward, open, virtuous, honorable. 11.
integrity, standards, morality. Morals, ethics refer to rules and
standards of conduct and practice. Morals refers to generally accepted
customs of conduct and right living in a society, and to the
individual's practice in relation to these: the morals of our
civilization. Ethics now implies high standards of honest and honorable
ethics of the medical profession.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/moral
No mention that heterosexuals practice more morals than homosexuals.

Of course not..wrong is wrong, it knows no boundaries, gay or
straight.

Post by Sensii
That leaves me to think it's not about sexual bodies practicing with sex
organs but more about the practice of moral issues that in a way
multiply and produce good moral decent children of God in the same body
as Jesus Christ. Obviously it is not about Jesus having a a male
physical body but a moral body that looks somewhat like his whether male
or female.
That's my nickels worth.

More like 25 cents Sensi...<smiling....>

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Sensii

2010-09-16 03:13:06 UTC

Post by Sensii
Vera smears God.
Vera wants God to hate you!
She wants God to burn you in hell for eternity. Vera lies 21080
times in
one month and then expresses lies and hatred to anyone who
disagrees
with her philosophy that God hates you. She will even lie to
make
people
think God hates you.
Homosexuals

it's hard not to hate gays. a homosexual cannot separate the person
from
the depravity
---

I once had a boss who was gay.. I had to make a choice of
rather to
look
at him as an authority figure, respect him for his knowledge, his
critique,his ability to make my job flow or to condemn him, snicker
behind his back,cause him problems by making snide remarks to others
about what his sex life might be like.. I didn't care about that
nor
did
I give it much thought.
I chose to respect him as an authority figure and we got along
just
fine..

I'm coming from this corner; it is the constant lying and attacking
Christians for quoting them the scriptures that are very obviously
dealing with homosexuality, that generates my contempt for them.

Alright, so you sit in that corner... What about 3 other corners?
You shall not judge?
Love thy neighbor as thyself?
Do unto others?

Oh, and that would be heterosexual Christians btw.

Of course not..wrong is wrong, it knows no boundaries, gay or straight.

More like 25 cents Sensi...<smiling....>

Sensi:
Thank you, Rod! A smile is worth 100 dollars.

r m

2010-09-16 03:24:37 UTC

Post by Sensii
Vera smears God.
Vera wants God to hate you!
She wants God to burn you in hell for eternity. Vera lies 21080
times in
one month and then expresses lies and hatred to anyone who
disagrees
with her philosophy that God hates you. She will even lie to
make
people
think God hates you.
Homosexuals

it's hard not to hate gays. a homosexual cannot separate the
person
from
the depravity
---

I once had a boss who was gay.. I had to make a choice of
rather to
look
at him as an authority figure, respect him for his knowledge, his
critique,his ability to make my job flow or to condemn him, snicker
behind his back,cause him problems by making snide remarks to
others
about what his sex life might be like.. I didn't care about that
nor
did
I give it much thought.
I chose to respect him as an authority figure and we got along
just
fine..

I'm coming from this corner; it is the constant lying and attacking
Christians for quoting them the scriptures that are very obviously
dealing with homosexuality, that generates my contempt for them.

Alright, so you sit in that corner... What about 3 other corners?
You shall not judge?
Love thy neighbor as thyself?
Do unto others?

Oh, and that would be heterosexual Christians btw.

Of course not..wrong is wrong, it knows no boundaries, gay or straight.

More like 25 cents Sensi...<smiling....>

Thank you, Rod! A smile is worth 100 dollars.

hmmmmmmm the value of the dollar must be in free fall ......

Post by Sensii
--
===============================================
He answered my prayer - not in the way I sought,
Not in the way I had thought he ought,
But in his own good way, and I could see
He answered in the fashion best for me.
And I was glad that I had such a share
In His loving and gracious care.
That He answered prayer.

::: Jesus is LORD :::

2010-09-16 03:41:01 UTC

_WARNING OF OCCULT PRACTICES IN $$$ CULT CALLED ASTARA_

They are trying to convert people behind the scene and on the scene of
ACC (alt.christnet.christianlife) to sell them occult prractices or make
them members of their cult! They are IN NOWAY CHRISTIAN!

Reading the following message carefully might save you or your family
members and friends from joining one of the new cults of the occult
scene...

________start quoting poster Sensii (Marlene Capps, wicked witch________

On Thursday, August 12, 2010 6:47 AM [GMT+1=CET],
Sensii <***@yahoo.com> wrote:

I offered to get you a *health reading* not a psychic reading. .

[...]

I personally get a health reading once a year and have found them to
be 100% correct in helping any person become more aware of what's going
on
inside their body.
These come from the Metaphysics class I took for about 6 yrs.
They have a God given talent of being able to read the aura of the
body but from the 3rd level of mind.
Did you know there are 7 levels of mind? (3rd heaven..7th heaven)
biblical.

[...]

If anyone is interested I'll be glad to give you the number...

[...]

The health reading are $ 85.00 very affordable with much more intrinsic
detail than a Dr. visit.
Dr's have their place and are well equipped to help heal the sick .

__________end of quote_________

I do not say that aura magic does not work. But it is what it is:
OCCULT. People should ask themselves whom they want to give their soul,
God or satan. They cannot say they have not been warned now.

Yes, Astara is the new name for Asteroth who shows herself in a new
dress there. She has many similar names... insiders know.

This is from Wikipedia...

________________________________________________
"The name Astaroth was ultimately derived from that of 2nd millennium BC
Phoenician goddess Astarte[1], an equivalent of the Babylonian Ishtar,
and the earlier Sumerian Inanna. She is mentioned in the Hebrew Bible in
the forms Ashtoreth (singular) and Ashtaroth (plural, in reference to
multiple statues of her). This latter form was directly transliterated
in the early Greek and Latin versions of the Bible, where it was less
apparent that it had been a plural feminine in Hebrew."
The pseudepigraphal work Testament of Solomon, attributed to King
Solomon of Israel, but thought to date to the early centuries AD,
mentions "Asteraoth" (in Greek) as an angel, who is opposed to the demon
of power.

The name "Astaroth" as a male demon is first known from The Book of
Abramelin, written in Hebrew ca. 1458, and recurred in most occult
grimoires of the following centuries. Astaroth also features as an
arch-demon associated with the qliphoth (adverse forces) according to
later Kabbalistic texts.

________________________________________________

I just wonder how many posters were asked to get involved with this
occult Astara Cult by Sensi. I have always thought she was rather
harmless, just a little stubborn, but this shows her in a very different
light. It explains her "dislike" for me, too. She knew I would expose
her for teaching the occult right away. "New Ager" was a rather harmless
term for her. There is obviously much more behind her coming here to
Christian groups. I guess she is trying to get members for her cult.

And - ha, ha, ha, just read their "testimonials"
(http://www.astara.org/support-testimonials.shtml).

Does it ring a bell??? $$$

This is Sensii's version:

________start quoting poster Sensii________

Rod

2010-09-16 03:54:19 UTC

Post by Sensii
Vera smears God.
Vera wants God to hate you!
She wants God to burn you in hell for eternity. Vera lies 21080
times in
one month and then expresses lies and hatred to anyone who
disagrees
with her philosophy that God hates you. She will even lie to
make
people
think God hates you.
Homosexuals

it's hard not to hate gays. a homosexual cannot separate the person
from
the depravity
---

I once had a boss who was gay.. I had to make a choice of
rather to
look
at him as an authority figure, respect him for his knowledge, his
critique,his ability to make my job flow or to condemn him, snicker
behind his back,cause him problems by making snide remarks to others
about what his sex life might be like.. I didn't care about that
nor
did
I give it much thought.
I chose to respect him as an authority figure and we got along
just
fine..

I'm coming from this corner; it is the constant lying and attacking
Christians for quoting them the scriptures that are very obviously
dealing with homosexuality, that generates my contempt for them.

Alright, so you sit in that corner... What about 3 other corners?
You shall not judge?
Love thy neighbor as thyself?
Do unto others?

Oh, and that would be heterosexual Christians btw.

Of course not..wrong is wrong, it knows no boundaries, gay or straight.

More like 25 cents Sensi...<smiling....>

Thank you, Rod! A smile is worth 100 dollars.

Thank you, And you are welcome.
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2010-09-16 04:12:19 UTC

Of course not..wrong is wrong, it knows no boundaries, gay or straight.

Then why is homophobic HATRED okay?????

HOW does HATRED suddenly become okay???????

::: Jesus is LORD :::

2010-09-16 03:25:55 UTC

::: Jesus is LORD :::

2010-09-16 00:21:14 UTC

Pastor Dave

2010-09-15 23:16:23 UTC

Post by Rod
For the most part, after they refuse to listen I avoid them
and have nothing further to do with them, unless I am approached
or threatened, as has been the case in the past. There exists
a coalition of radical atheists and gays that espouse the murder
of Christians, a very good reason to keep tabs on them while
avoiding them.

It's probably best to just avoid them rather than to anger them as with
anyone. I've not experienced anything bad happening to me from them..

Why would you? You tell them how great what they're doing is
and you judge Christians for repeating Gods judgment.

The truth is, you speak about judgment and how bad it is
and yet, all you do is judge people who recite God's word
about something and tell them how they are in danger of
being condemned, which makes you a hypocrite.

--
Pastor Dave

May you live as long as you want to.
May you want to as long as you live.

::: Jesus is LORD :::

2010-09-16 00:17:13 UTC

"Pastor" Dave wrote under the nickname % -*- Truth -*- %

Another dumb cunt lies. Why don't you go kill yourself.

::: Jesus is LORD :::

2010-09-16 00:21:27 UTC

2010-09-16 00:22:48 UTC

It's usually, well, I hate to say it but it's Christians that I've had the
worst experiences from.

Ditto.

I have experienced more violent hatred from homophobic Christians than from
any homosexual.
--
Fundamentalists seem aimed at making themselves feel better by placing all
negative and destructive emotions in people with different beliefs, and
enjoying the golden glow of self-justification that results. ... You know
that simile: 'As rare as a Fundamentalist who loves his enemy.' ... the
Inquisition did largely miss the point of 'Love Thy Neighbour', didn't they?
Wasn't burning heretics 'worse' than being tolerant towards them? ...

from "LIFE ...and how to survive it" - Robin Skinner & John Cleese (Methuen;
London:1993) p. 287

2010-09-16 00:21:11 UTC

There exists a coalition of radical atheists and gays that espouse the
murder
of Christians

Don't you read the news?????

There exists a coalition of radical homophobic Christians that espouse the
murder
of homosexuals.

What is the key ingredient of both HATE GROUPS??????

"Radical"
--
Fundamentalists seem aimed at making themselves feel better by placing all
negative and destructive emotions in people with different beliefs, and
enjoying the golden glow of self-justification that results. ... You know
that simile: 'As rare as a Fundamentalist who loves his enemy.' ... the
Inquisition did largely miss the point of 'Love Thy Neighbour', didn't they?
Wasn't burning heretics 'worse' than being tolerant towards them? ...

from "LIFE ...and how to survive it" - Robin Skinner & John Cleese (Methuen;
London:1993) p. 287

Pastor Dave

2010-09-15 23:14:09 UTC

Post by Nhra fan
Ask those that don't believe and see what they say. They have
already been judged by God in the scriptures Sensi....not by
Gods followers. God's people are only making known Gods judgment,
not their own..

I'm going to leave you alone to think as you want to think....

What you're doing, is dodging the issue.

God says; "That is a sin!".

You say; "It is okay.".

Now whom should we believe?

Post by Sensii
You be the judge *of them* and act towards *them*
as you choose to act towards *them.*

What you are trying to do, is pretend that God has not
made the judgment and ascribe evil actions to people,
for simply speaking what God has said about something.

Tell us, why is it that you have such an aversion to what
Gods word says?

--
Pastor Dave

"Leftists seem to be tolerant of just about everything
except dissenting opinions." - Unknown

::: Jesus is LORD :::

2010-09-15 23:46:11 UTC

About "Pastor" Dave Raymond - Warning !!!

(The fake Pastor also used a number of other nyms, such as "Azaliah,
Giant Waffle, Bible Believer, 70 AD

- he was ordained by a "minister" and some Elders who laid hands on him,
who sent him out to preach

- he was not a member of their church (which is rather dubious, and I
would really know what denomination they were - no serious church would
ordain a Preterist to preach, and I would really very much like to talk
with them if that is all the truth)

- he is no member of a church (only his home church)

- they ordained him while he was in prison

- churches disgust him (I believe it is because they would never accept
his false teaching)

- he did not say what he was in prison for

- got the piece of paper for marrying people people and

- he thinks he is very well studied without a church, (but yet did not
understand the basics, as he claims the Second Coming of Christ in 70
A.D.)

- he denies teachings of other Christians (and so denies Colossians 3:16
(WEB): "Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly; in all wisdom
teaching and admonishing one another with psalms, hymns, and spiritual
songs, singing with grace in your heart to the Lord." He also denies
Matthew 28:19-20 (WEB) "Go, and make disciples of all nations, baptizing
them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,
teaching them to observe all things which I commanded you. Behold, I am
with you always, even to the end of the age." I do not see he was
"taught" or would be teachable here in ACC. The result is his false
teaching that does not leave any hope for believers, because there is
still pain, suffering and death even for them - yet "Pastor" Dave thinks
this is Heaven already. How can one be so blind??? And how can he make
disciples with that? Obviously there are some who are this stupid that
they think this is Heaven already while the next tooth-ache will show
them how far they are away from that yet. *sigh* Obviously he has never
learned the Gospel by other Christians, but Scripture says in 2 Timothy
4:2 (WEB) "preach the word; be urgent in season and out of season;
reprove, rebuke, and exhort, with all patience and teaching." (2 John
1:9-10 WEB) Whoever transgresses and doesn't remain in the teaching of
Christ, doesn't have God. He who remains in the teaching, the same has
both the Father and the Son. If anyone comes to you, and doesn't bring
this teaching, don't receive him into your house, and don't welcome
him")

- he ordains other people by laying hands on them

- he obviously has papers to do the jobs as a "Pastor". (but that is
really not very difficult in the States, just have a look there:
http://www.spiritualhumanism.org/)

What I know about "Pastor" Dave from experience in ACC is that

- he is up for strife with Christians who have joined a church

- he calls people names all the time and lies about them

- he uses methods to post so people cannot really follow what was going
on - very often he insults others in new threads and exposes them in the
subject lines

- he lies about the Gospel by claiming that Jesus has come back in 70
A.D. already

- he shows only little or no love for others, not for other Christians,
either, if they rebuke him for his heresy about the Gospel and for
leading others a wrong path

- he is in severe pain very often and yet thinks this is Heaven already,
while he does not call the earth earth in 2 Peter 3:10 (WEB), for
example: "But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in
which the heavens will pass away with a great noise, and the elements
will be dissolved with fervent heat, and the earth and the works that
are in it will be burned up."

All in all I can only warn of this false teacher, and I do not really
see that there might be ANY serious church that would support his
teaching. He made at least one disciple here already, which should cause
all Christians here to be very concerned. He should proof his ordainment
as a "Pastor". He does not come with a sound doctrine but with the
garbage that Jesus Christ came back in 70 AD for a second time (but
nobody noticed but he). I have refuted this a hundred times or more, and
others have as well.

In addition, a real pastor would not threaten to kill others in a public
medium, would he?

_DAVE RAYMOND'S DEATH THREATS_

___________________________________________________

You are a coward. A liar. A moron. And a God hater.
And an all around idiot. And you should be shot on sight.

HOw about some evidence to prove your claims.
they are nothing but hearsay and assuption.

Listen, stupid... your posts are the proof. Just the other
day, you were talking about some troop movements in
Iraq and how that was never done before and then started
quoting Scripture, saying it was the fulfillment of it!
When you lie like the dumb ass you are and actually sit
there and think that people are that fucking stupid, that
they can't see what the fuck you're doing, then you deserve
to be shot in the fucking head, you fucking moron!!!
Now goodbye, you fucking ass wipe!

"I repeat what I said a while ago. You need to be taken out back and
shot
in the head. Both you and Vic.
As it looks right now, you are both headed for Hell anyway,
so you might as well get it over with.
And yes, dumb ass, feel free to quote me saying that all
you want. Unlike you, I won't deny my own words. "

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.christnet.christianlife/browse_frm/thread/3a0b6f0891d5cf92/d8ebc98c79a0372d?lnk=st&q=%22shot+in+the+head%22+group%3Aalt.christnet.christianlife&rnum=24#d8ebc98c79a0372d

"I'll tell you why, whore bag... It's because you're a whore
bag and a liar, who should be run over and shot on sight! "

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.christnet.christianlife/browse_frm/thread/eb66b551ec342c6c/c70e5f282b011288?lnk=st&q=&rnum=4#c70e5f282b011288

"You're a coward and a moron and you should be
shot on sight."

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.christnet.christianlife/browse_frm/thread/eb66b551ec342c6c/c70e5f282b011288?lnk=st&q=&rnum=4#c70e5f282b011288

"As far as I'm concerned, Glenn, Grace, Sensi, GentleOwl,
Diana and others, should all be shot in the head, on sight! Why?
Because
they deserve it! "

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.christnet.christianlife/browse_frm/thread/eb66b551ec342c6c/c70e5f282b011288?lnk=st&q=&rnum=2#c70e5f282b011288

"Pastor" Dave ***@_gmail.com insulted and threatened in
***@4ax.com
after someone repeated the Apostle Paul's Word by saying "Maranatha!

So then, you cheer on the destruction of this world?
****************************************************************
You are one dumb cunt and I say it again...
You should be taken out behind the shed and shot in
the head, you stupid fucking bitch!

________________________________________________

Thanks fo your attention.

Jesus is LORD!

--

___________________________________________________
http://www.acc-growing-deeper.de
http://growing-deeper-bridge.blogspot.com
http://jesus-christ-is-my-lord-and-my-god.blogspot.com
http://bible-prophecy-and-revelation.blogspot.com/

::: Jesus is LORD :::

2010-09-16 00:21:42 UTC

2010-09-16 00:19:06 UTC

Post by Nhra fan
God's people are only making known Gods judgment,
not their own..

UTTER NONSENSE!

You are applying YOUR SUBJECTIVE INTERPRETATION of the Bible and then
telling us that YOUR SUBJECTIVE INTERPRETATION of the Bible is really "God's
Word".

I don't believe you!

--
The most pronounced characteristics [of fundamentalists] are the following:
(a) a very strong emphasis on the inerrancy of the Bible, the absence from
it of any sort of error;
(b) a strong hostility to modern theology and to the methods, results and
implications of modern critical study of the Bible;
(c) an assurance that those who do not share their religious viewpoint are
not really 'true Christians' at all.
- James Barr "Fundamentalism" (SCM Press:1977) p.1

::: Jesus is LORD :::

2010-09-16 00:45:01 UTC

2010-09-16 00:08:27 UTC

Post by Sensii
If you think that then wouldn't it be fair to say that that same line is
drawn for everyone for other reasons? Hence, lack of compassion, lack of
understanding, lack of developing neighborly conduct. ???

Homophobic fundamentalists are INFAMOUS for their lack of compassion and
love.
--
Fundamentalists seem aimed at making themselves feel better by placing all
negative and destructive emotions in people with different beliefs, and
enjoying the golden glow of self-justification that results. ... You know
that simile: 'As rare as a Fundamentalist who loves his enemy.' ... the
Inquisition did largely miss the point of 'Love Thy Neighbour', didn't they?
Wasn't burning heretics 'worse' than being tolerant towards them? ...

from "LIFE ...and how to survive it" - Robin Skinner & John Cleese (Methuen;
London:1993) p. 287

::: Jesus is LORD :::

2010-09-16 00:22:29 UTC

2010-09-16 00:06:42 UTC

AS Mordecai has pointed out numeropus times (as well as many others) the
bible does NOT forbid homosexuality , only sodomy.

Post by Nhra fan
scripture is valueless

The bible is a fallible man-made book.

Post by Nhra fan
and God does not exist

Proven by Jean-Paul Sartre in "On Being and Nothingness".

God CREATES existence and so therefore is far beyond existing himself.

Saying that God "exists" like you or I exist is actually LIMITING God to
time and space. God is far greater than that.

This is a philosophical argument that goes way above your head.

Post by Nhra fan
I point specifically at Mark as an example of the type of rhetoric
and activities being pursued against Christians.

How can that be when I AM a Christian and have been since 1972????

--
The most pronounced characteristics [of fundamentalists] are the following:
....
(c) an assurance that those who do not share their religious viewpoint are
not really 'true Christians' at all.
- James Barr "Fundamentalism" (SCM Press:1977) p.1

Seeker

2010-09-15 15:43:02 UTC

On Sep 14, 5:52 pm, Nhra fan <***@yahoo.com> wrote:
[...]

Post by Sensii
Homosexuals

it's hard not to hate gays. a homosexual cannot separate the person
from the depravity

How do you separate the heterosexual from the depravity?

::: Jesus is LORD :::

2010-09-15 19:46:09 UTC

Post by Seeker
[...]

Post by Sensii
Homosexuals

it's hard not to hate gays. a homosexual cannot separate the person
from the depravity

How do you separate the heterosexual from the depravity?

By telling them to get a life in the LORD Jesus Christ. He will change
them. They can all come as they are. There is nothing the LORD cannot
do. They owe him anything, even their life. Why are they so ungrateful?

--
___________________________________________________
http://www.acc-growing-deeper.de
http://www.acc-growing-deeper.de/Israel.html

--->>> http://god-bless-obama.blogspot.com/

Seeker

2010-09-15 20:16:28 UTC

Post by ::: Jesus is LORD :::

On Sep 15, 12:46 pm, " ::: Jesus is LORD :::" <jesus-is-

Post by Seeker
[...]

Post by Sensii
Homosexuals

it's hard not to hate gays. a homosexual cannot separate the person
from the depravity

How do you separate the heterosexual from the depravity?

By telling them to get a life in the LORD Jesus Christ. He will change
them.

So with God's help they will be changed so they are no longer
heterosexual? LOL!

Post by ::: Jesus is LORD :::
They can all come as they are. There is nothing the LORD cannot
do.

Such as turning heterosexuals into not-heterosexuals as you suggest
above? LOL!

Post by ::: Jesus is LORD :::
They owe him anything, even their life. Why are they so ungrateful?

Who said "they" are ungrateful? How did we establish that all
heterosexuals are ungrateful? And just how will there be a next
generation of humans if nobody is heterosexual anymore? That's a lot
of test tube work.

Rod

2010-09-19 00:25:55 UTC

Post by Seeker
[...]

Post by Sensii
Homosexuals

it's hard not to hate gays. a homosexual cannot separate the person
from the depravity

How do you separate the heterosexual from the depravity?

Hetero's are don't practice homosexuality, if they did they wouldn't
be hetero.

2010-09-19 00:44:49 UTC

Hetero's are don't practice homosexuality, if they did they wouldn't be
hetero.

So which of the following practices are homosexual?

OLral sex?

Mutual masturbation?

Sodomy?

They are ALL used by heterosexuals as well.

There is not homosexual practice that is not also used by heterosexuals.

::: Jesus is LORD :::

2010-09-15 02:42:18 UTC

@@@ Vera Hates SENSI'S (MARLENE CAPPS') Lies - TRUE

My version of Jesus:

~~*°*~~*°*~~*°*~~*°*~~*°*~~*°*~~*°*~~*°*~~*°*~~

===>>>

I believe that Jesus died a horrible death on the cross in my place and
for my sins so I can have eternal life in community with God. All who
believe that ARE saved and know about it.

<<<===

And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the
Son of man be lifted up: That whosoever believeth in him should not
perish, but have eternal life. For God so loved the world, that he gave
his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not
perish, but have everlasting life. For God sent not his Son into the
world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be
saved. He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth
not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of
the only begotten Son of God. (John 3:14-18 KJV)

~~*°*~~*°*~~*°*~~*°*~~*°*~~*°*~~*°*~~*°*~~*°*~~

--
___________________________________________________
http://www.acc-growing-deeper.de
http://www.acc-growing-deeper.de/Israel.html
--->>> http://god-bless-obama.blogspot.com/

::: Jesus is LORD :::

2010-09-15 01:57:30 UTC

You have just blasphemed, lady.

::: Jesus is LORD :::

2010-09-15 01:57:49 UTC

You have just blasphemed, lady.

2010-09-15 02:43:21 UTC

ACC-GROWING-DUMBERER - Parody of abusive troll Vera Six (:::Jesus is
LORD:::) & her fellow trolls
http://acc-growing-dumberer.blogspot.com/

Fundamentalist Poop Party by Crusader, Grand Inquisitor and Witch
Hunter
Vera.

Features:
- FREE Indulgence to troll and forge for the Lord
- FREE cross to bear of hatred and intolerance
- FREE license to sin boldly (from Martin Luther)
- FREE flowchart for efficient trolling
- FREE cardboard cut out Jesus
- FREE colour-in bible / library
- FREE cut out suit of armour
- FREE cut out church
- FREE exorcism coupon
- FREE colour-in the spreading of our good news on newsgroups
- FREE selected bible verses suitable for trolling and flaming
- PICTURES especially of myself, my family, my pet dog Cerberus and my
fiends.
- UPDATES on latest Crusades / Inquisitions / Witch Hunts
- BIOGRAPHY

Copyright by Vera.

ACC TROLL REPORT

2010-09-15 02:45:26 UTC

In November 2003 David Matthieu posted a general request for help which
mentioned the name of my friend Woz who had been "moderated" on the
unmoderated ACC by Griz, Vera and their fundamentalist thugs. David
Matthieu spoke of the abuse and intimidation endured by my friend and fellow
CHRISTIAN ARTIST, Woz and many other Christians who were chased away from
ACC by Griz and Vera and their thugs. In 2003-2004 a number of Christians
of varying Christian traditions helped destroy the Griz cult (of which Vera
was a major member) to bring this NG back to its original intent - A FREE
UNMODERATED PUBLIC FORUM FOR ALL CHRISTIANS!! Though we were not an
homogenous group of Christians (we had various Christian belief from a wide
cross-section of Christianity) it was Christian unity against Griz, Vera and
their bully building team not cultish fundamentalist uniformity like Griz
and Vera demanded of others.

Rev Dr Rowland Croucher advised me against coming to ACC and told me it was
a waste of my time and talent. I ignored him. Gradually Rowland saw the
benefit in helping the Christians who had been abused by Griz and Vera and
their thugs. Rowland was joined later by Lawrence and Bradley (both from ARC
where I had been). After the destruction of the Griz cult Vera followed us
to ARC.

Various members of the Griz cult used aliases and complained to people's
ISPs ... including Vera Six . I was warned about this (and their other
intimidating tactics) in advance by a number of their victims.

Griz tried to moderate the unmoderated ACC. Vera Supported supported Griz
all the way. Google for a copy of the infamous "moderation rules and
mandate"for the unmoderated ACC written by Griz ...and NEVER legitimate.

All this may be verified by a simple Google search.

Vera Six calls me "Satan" and according to her I am not a Christian. Vera
asserts that woz is not a Christian either and helped to chase him away from
this unmoderated newsgroup. Some of the Christians chased away from ACC by
Vera and her Griz Cult include (not a full list ...there are
many more!):
- Woz
- Donna Kupp
- David Matthieu P.P.
- Brenda Kent
- David Chariot
- Annie Asher
- Yusufallah
- Ninure Saunders
- Glenn
- T Grasso
- Nevermore
- Michael Christ
- NoName
- Beth

The Porn Prophet Fervent is featured at
http://www.acc-growing-deeper.de/info.htm#- with a "prophecy" concerning
wonderful things about the Griz Shallowship cult.

Concerning the Porn Prophet Fervent his female CHRISTIAN VICTIM stated in
December 2003:

#############################################################

... And the constant Fervent emails, I first met him years and years ago and
sometimes he would pop up in my msn, and wanted me to talk sex with him, he
is a porn addict, not converted as he says, he still does it as often as he
did before, repents and goes awhile without doing it and then does it again
and repents, a cycle. .....

#########################################################

In Fervent's OWN words ...

Not the least of these were and addiction to porn in my past life which
I stayed clear of for over four years from my infilling with the glory

and

light which shines from above. That was until the easy access of the
internet got hold of me for a season! Try as I might, it was just too
flashy a drawing card with just too many inadvertent "pop ups" to display

the

wares! I have been delivered and I have escaped but there has been a
scarring of my peace and a reluctant admission before God that I am not
all I thought I was!

###################################################################

Concerning the Griz Shallowshipcult's lies and deceptions and attempted
alteration of history one of their previous members, and then their victim,
stated:

###################################################

....... if he really believed in God then he could never do what he has done
to people, I am not talking about the letters, lies, or manipulations or
such you see on group. I am talking about hurting people very deeply and
causing them to flee from the Lord Jesus. Once there was a lonely but very
lovely lady, we spoke in emails a lot, she left and would never come back to
acc. I think she gave up being a Christian because Griz and the crew had
told her that she showed (griz told her this first) that she showed no
evidence that the HSpirt was within her. It hurt her very badly.

This coming from a drug addict that lives like a hermit in the mountains of
Canada and works a few months out of the year picking up trash, no he is not
a camp councelor! He is a liar and a manipulator, I saw posts on google
where people all over the ng sites like Supernews and such talk about the
tyrant of ACC, he LOVEs it. :(

....

I was literally cursed at by Vera, a supposed sweet and innocent Christian.

....

Your lied about, threatened with him calling your isp and the government to
say lies about stealing identities or using your pc to gather personal info
like social security, or spreading harmful virus' and such, there are no
lengths this man won't go to. ..... He goes on and on until you get tired of
it and move on somewhere else. Or he destroyes your character online with
anyone he can email. ...I consider this man dangerous, slanderous and
harrassing! ... does he have the right to see me lied about, to slander my
good name, and harrass me .... or whatever it might be? Emphatically, NO>
..... I am glad to see you two trying to stop Griz and cohorts! Someone
needs to, Lord knows I tried but I didn't have
enough people to back me, my friends think it is a waist of time. He keeps
all letters and stuff and threatens to expose you, one of his many talents.
...... (Lord knows how many identities he and his crew have-he admitted to
me once, and so did some other of them) .....

....

#########################################################

::: Jesus is LORD :::

2010-09-15 03:15:32 UTC