Post by RH156RHWhat trolling? Purely factual descriptions of your limitations... RH
Just stop it. I'd rather engage in an adult discussion; if
that's not what you want, just say so.
Post by RH156RHPost by Andy WalkerPost by RH156RHIt does not matter what happens to the money
beyond promoting consumption.
You have not given us any hint as to how it promotes
consumption.
SIGH. It promotes consumption because people need money to live.
"Money to live" is not "promoted" consumption, it's a matter
of maintaining current consumption, which is achieved by continuing
to pay salaries even when workers are redundant, continuing current
benefits, improving benefit provision for those who lose their jobs,
and encouraging mortgage/rent/rates/VAT/... holidays. Which is what
the government has been doing. The time for promoting consumption
is not now, but in the recovery phase.
Post by RH156RH[...] Most people do not have savings to last the 12 weeks the
government is talking about. Some be savedf the money will be
saved by the better off but the vast majority will not. NB even
if the better of spend it on non-essentials that still helps the
economy. RH
No-one is asking "most people" to last for 12 weeks out of
their savings. Benefits, inc pensions, continue; and most workers
will retain most or all of their current pay, even if they are
technically redundant. The government is allegedly thinking about
how to help the self-employed and casual workers. That's a few
million people who need more help; a serious problem, but for
at most 10% of the population, not "most", let alone the "vast
majority" you talked about in a PP. I doubt whether anyone other
than you thinks that just dumping £36Kpa or more onto the average
family is the best way to resolve the situation.
Post by RH156RHPost by Andy WalkerPost by RH156RH[...] All the civil servants have to do is identify the
person.
I'm amazed that an alleged former civil servant thinks it's
that easy to identify someone. [...]
You seem to be incapable of understanding the difference between easy
and complicated.
As I have pointed out already that I have not s aid it is easy
merely than mine suggestion is simple in concept and simpler than any
other means of maintain the economy. rH
Your phrase "All [they] have to do is ..." clearly suggests
that you think it is easy. In detail, it's a lot more difficult,
*and* more complicated, than what the government has proposed, as
can be seen by the speed with which they have been able to initiate
their proposals from scratch.
Post by RH156RHPost by Andy WalkerPost by RH156RHWith the proposed bail out the state has to operate not one
but half a dozen separate ways of getting money directly or
indirectly to people. RH
All of which are minor tweaks to existing schemes.
I notice you coyly fail to say what they "minor tweaks are". RH
Not only did I not "fail" in this way, I said what they were
in the following two sentences of the PP. You should get into the
habit of reading articles in their entirety before replying to them;
it would save from from many of your most egregious blunders.
[...]
Post by RH156RHPost by Andy WalkerMeanwhile, I remind you that your proposal involved the
marrying of dozens of existing databases not intended to be
combined into one new scheme. [...]
The merging of databases is commonplace. rH
Yes, it's the sort of thing that happens when one company
takes over another. Occasionally, when the databases are very
similar, it can be done in a few weeks, but it has been known to
take years, and sometimes it is simply impossible, for a variety
of reasons. Civil service and similar databases tend towards the
"impossible" end of the spectrum, not least because of the needs
of data protection.
Post by RH156RHMy scheme would be ready to go in months. RH
So the Chancellor's schemes, worked out in days, worked
through in a couple of weeks, and largely ready to be rolled out,
are "hideously complicated", and won't help the "vast majority"
of the population who can't last 12 weeks; and, instead, your
"simple" scheme will be ready "in months". You don't read what
I write, at least not with any attention; it seems that you now
don't even read what you write.
--
Andy Walker,
Nottingham.