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Chris McMillan
2018-12-20 19:15:34 UTC
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Pass the sick bucket ......

As for the other plot ........

Sincerely Chris
J. P. Gilliver (John)
2018-12-21 02:21:49 UTC
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Post by Chris McMillan
Pass the sick bucket ......
Yea verily. YEUCH! (And no, I _don't_ mean the Grundy mess.)
Post by Chris McMillan
As for the other plot ........
Sincerely Chris
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History is not the past. It is the method we have evolved of organising our
ignorance of the past. - Hilary Mantel, first Reith Lecture 2017
Vicky Ayech
2018-12-21 08:11:50 UTC
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On Fri, 21 Dec 2018 02:21:49 +0000, "J. P. Gilliver (John)"
Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)
Post by Chris McMillan
Pass the sick bucket ......
Yea verily. YEUCH! (And no, I _don't_ mean the Grundy mess.)
Post by Chris McMillan
As for the other plot ........
Sincerely Chris
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And he might have been a grown up and competent when Lizzie had the
panic attack, but she would not hav e nuggering well eben there if he
hadn't wanted to avoid bumping into anyone more locally so dragged the
poor woman off to Felpersham. And he made her pay for petrol.
Mike
2018-12-21 08:47:51 UTC
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Post by Vicky Ayech
On Fri, 21 Dec 2018 02:21:49 +0000, "J. P. Gilliver (John)"
Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)
Post by Chris McMillan
Pass the sick bucket ......
Yea verily. YEUCH! (And no, I _don't_ mean the Grundy mess.)
Post by Chris McMillan
As for the other plot ........
Sincerely Chris
Again yes. v
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And he might have been a grown up and competent when Lizzie had the
panic attack, but she would not hav e nuggering well eben there if he
hadn't wanted to avoid bumping into anyone more locally so dragged the
poor woman off to Felpersham. And he made her pay for petrol.
.... and probably filled his tank to the brim! The tight crawling mean
scrounging b&st&ard!

Plea to script writers: Put Russ back under that slimy rock he crawled from
- or better still, crush him with it!
--
Toodle Pip
J. P. Gilliver (John)
2018-12-21 10:46:10 UTC
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Post by Mike
Post by Vicky Ayech
On Fri, 21 Dec 2018 02:21:49 +0000, "J. P. Gilliver (John)"
Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)
Post by Chris McMillan
Pass the sick bucket ......
Yea verily. YEUCH! (And no, I _don't_ mean the Grundy mess.)
Post by Chris McMillan
As for the other plot ........
Sincerely Chris
Again yes. v
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And he might have been a grown up and competent when Lizzie had the
panic attack,
Was he though? I'm dubious. His main action seems to have been doing an
adult form of "there, there." Which, if it _was_ just a panic attack,
might have turned out to be the right thing, and OK, he has maybe _some_
experience of panic attacks with students, but I wasn't impressed,
sorry. (And no, I _don't_ know either what else should have been done,
or what I'd have done.)
Post by Mike
Post by Vicky Ayech
but she would not hav e nuggering well eben there if he
hadn't wanted to avoid bumping into anyone more locally so dragged the
poor woman off to Felpersham.
What for anyway? Buying Christmas presents was it?
Post by Mike
Post by Vicky Ayech
And he made her pay for petrol.
.... and probably filled his tank to the brim! The tight crawling mean
scrounging b&st&ard!
Plea to script writers: Put Russ back under that slimy rock he crawled from
- or better still, crush him with it!
(-:
255soft.uk
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J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)***@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

"I'm very peachable, if people know how to peach" - Sir David Attenborough (on
being asked if he was tired of being described as impeachable), on Desert
Island Discs, 2012-1-29.
Serena Blanchflower
2018-12-21 11:06:13 UTC
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Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)
Post by Vicky Ayech
On Fri, 21 Dec 2018 02:21:49 +0000, "J. P. Gilliver (John)"
Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)
Post by Chris McMillan
Pass the sick bucket ......
Yea verily. YEUCH! (And no, I _don't_ mean the Grundy mess.)
Post by Chris McMillan
As for the other plot ........
Sincerely Chris
Again yes. v
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And he might have been a grown up and competent when Lizzie had the
panic attack,
Was he though? I'm dubious. His main action seems to have been doing an
adult form of "there, there." Which, if it _was_ just a panic attack,
might have turned out to be the right thing, and OK, he has maybe _some_
experience of panic attacks with students, but I wasn't impressed,
sorry. (And no, I _don't_ know either what else should have been done,
or what I'd have done.)
Given that the first thing he did was to call for an ambulance, I think
doing what he could to try to keep her calm and encourage her to breathe
slowly was the right thing. The parameds, when they arrived, would do
whatever was necessary, if it had proved to be anything more serious
than a panic attack.

This doesn't make Russ superman but I think it did qualify as being
"grown up and competent". It's just a shame he can't manage to live up
to that description for the rest of the time.
--
Best wishes, Serena
To keep a lamp burning, we have to keep putting oil in it (Mother Theresa)
DavidK
2018-12-21 21:49:06 UTC
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Post by Vicky Ayech
And he made her pay for petrol.
It's unclear to me how many cars he and Lily have. I *think* that she
packed her and Freddy's joint car to go to university. Do we know
whether they are running two cars or was it Lily's car that Elizabeth
filled?
Vicky Ayech
2018-12-21 22:43:50 UTC
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Post by DavidK
Post by Vicky Ayech
And he made her pay for petrol.
It's unclear to me how many cars he and Lily have. I *think* that she
packed her and Freddy's joint car to go to university. Do we know
whether they are running two cars or was it Lily's car that Elizabeth
filled?
I thought Lily's, which sort of made it okish? But not really ok.
Penny
2018-12-22 00:08:19 UTC
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On Fri, 21 Dec 2018 22:43:50 +0000, Vicky Ayech <***@gmail.com>
scrawled in the dust...
Post by Vicky Ayech
Post by DavidK
Post by Vicky Ayech
And he made her pay for petrol.
It's unclear to me how many cars he and Lily have. I *think* that she
packed her and Freddy's joint car to go to university. Do we know
whether they are running two cars or was it Lily's car that Elizabeth
filled?
I thought Lily's, which sort of made it okish? But not really ok.
But if Lily drove home (as I think she did) and Russ stopped at the shop to
buy something (wine?) when he first arrived, I assumed he had also driven.
I wonder how he paid for the petrol for the trip down from Manchester.
--
Penny
Annoyed by The Archers since 1959
steveski
2018-12-22 00:58:26 UTC
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Post by Penny
scrawled in the dust...
Post by Vicky Ayech
Post by DavidK
Post by Vicky Ayech
And he made her pay for petrol.
It's unclear to me how many cars he and Lily have. I *think* that she
packed her and Freddy's joint car to go to university. Do we know
whether they are running two cars or was it Lily's car that Elizabeth
filled?
I thought Lily's, which sort of made it okish? But not really ok.
But if Lily drove home (as I think she did) and Russ stopped at the shop
to buy something (wine?) when he first arrived, I assumed he had also
driven. I wonder how he paid for the petrol for the trip down from
Manchester.
He had a full tank but used it up visiting his various floozies[TM]
--
Steveski
Vicky Ayech
2018-12-22 09:50:28 UTC
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Post by steveski
Post by Penny
scrawled in the dust...
Post by Vicky Ayech
Post by DavidK
Post by Vicky Ayech
And he made her pay for petrol.
It's unclear to me how many cars he and Lily have. I *think* that she
packed her and Freddy's joint car to go to university. Do we know
whether they are running two cars or was it Lily's car that Elizabeth
filled?
I thought Lily's, which sort of made it okish? But not really ok.
But if Lily drove home (as I think she did) and Russ stopped at the shop
to buy something (wine?) when he first arrived, I assumed he had also
driven. I wonder how he paid for the petrol for the trip down from
Manchester.
He had a full tank but used it up visiting his various floozies[TM]
BTN
BrritSki
2018-12-22 12:26:25 UTC
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Post by steveski
Post by Penny
scrawled in the dust...
Post by Vicky Ayech
Post by DavidK
Post by Vicky Ayech
And he made her pay for petrol.
It's unclear to me how many cars he and Lily have. I *think* that she
packed her and Freddy's joint car to go to university. Do we know
whether they are running two cars or was it Lily's car that Elizabeth
filled?
I thought Lily's, which sort of made it okish? But not really ok.
But if Lily drove home (as I think she did) and Russ stopped at the shop
to buy something (wine?) when he first arrived, I assumed he had also
driven. I wonder how he paid for the petrol for the trip down from
Manchester.
He had a full tank but used it up visiting his various floozies[TM]
BTN
Blimey Vicky, you've got an even dirtier mind than me ! :)
Mike
2018-12-22 12:47:36 UTC
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Post by BrritSki
Post by steveski
Post by Penny
scrawled in the dust...
Post by Vicky Ayech
Post by DavidK
Post by Vicky Ayech
And he made her pay for petrol.
It's unclear to me how many cars he and Lily have. I *think* that she
packed her and Freddy's joint car to go to university. Do we know
whether they are running two cars or was it Lily's car that Elizabeth
filled?
I thought Lily's, which sort of made it okish? But not really ok.
But if Lily drove home (as I think she did) and Russ stopped at the shop
to buy something (wine?) when he first arrived, I assumed he had also
driven. I wonder how he paid for the petrol for the trip down from
Manchester.
He had a full tank but used it up visiting his various floozies[TM]
BTN
Blimey Vicky, you've got an even dirtier mind than me ! :)
Would anyrat believe me if I said that I hadn’t even understood the nature
of the BTN???
--
Toodle Pip
Jim Easterbrook
2018-12-22 12:53:19 UTC
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Post by Mike
Post by BrritSki
Post by steveski
He had a full tank but used it up visiting his various floozies[TM]
BTN
Blimey Vicky, you've got an even dirtier mind than me ! :)
Would anyrat believe me if I said that I hadn’t even understood the
nature of the BTN???
No.

(In the unlikely event you still don't get it, I think Vicky was
suggesting he may have exhausted his reserves of vital bodily fluids.)
--
Jim <http://www.jim-easterbrook.me.uk/>
1959/1985? M B+ G+ A L- I- S- P-- CH0(p) Ar++ T+ H0 Q--- Sh0
Vicky Ayech
2018-12-22 13:01:10 UTC
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On Sat, 22 Dec 2018 12:26:25 +0000, BrritSki
Post by BrritSki
Post by steveski
Post by Penny
scrawled in the dust...
Post by Vicky Ayech
Post by DavidK
Post by Vicky Ayech
And he made her pay for petrol.
It's unclear to me how many cars he and Lily have. I *think* that she
packed her and Freddy's joint car to go to university. Do we know
whether they are running two cars or was it Lily's car that Elizabeth
filled?
I thought Lily's, which sort of made it okish? But not really ok.
But if Lily drove home (as I think she did) and Russ stopped at the shop
to buy something (wine?) when he first arrived, I assumed he had also
driven. I wonder how he paid for the petrol for the trip down from
Manchester.
He had a full tank but used it up visiting his various floozies[TM]
BTN
Blimey Vicky, you've got an even dirtier mind than me ! :)
I was just surprised I got there before you and assumed it was too
obvious for you to post on.
Mike
2018-12-22 13:17:02 UTC
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Post by Vicky Ayech
On Sat, 22 Dec 2018 12:26:25 +0000, BrritSki
Post by BrritSki
Post by steveski
Post by Penny
scrawled in the dust...
Post by Vicky Ayech
Post by DavidK
Post by Vicky Ayech
And he made her pay for petrol.
It's unclear to me how many cars he and Lily have. I *think* that she
packed her and Freddy's joint car to go to university. Do we know
whether they are running two cars or was it Lily's car that Elizabeth
filled?
I thought Lily's, which sort of made it okish? But not really ok.
But if Lily drove home (as I think she did) and Russ stopped at the shop
to buy something (wine?) when he first arrived, I assumed he had also
driven. I wonder how he paid for the petrol for the trip down from
Manchester.
He had a full tank but used it up visiting his various floozies[TM]
BTN
Blimey Vicky, you've got an even dirtier mind than me ! :)
I was just surprised I got there before you and assumed it was too
obvious for you to post on.
Are you suggesting BrritSki might have ejaculated before you came......
along with your BTN?
--
Toodle Pip
Jenny M Benson
2018-12-22 17:32:15 UTC
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Post by steveski
Post by Penny
scrawled in the dust...
Post by Vicky Ayech
Post by DavidK
Post by Vicky Ayech
And he made her pay for petrol.
It's unclear to me how many cars he and Lily have. I *think* that she
packed her and Freddy's joint car to go to university. Do we know
whether they are running two cars or was it Lily's car that Elizabeth
filled?
I thought Lily's, which sort of made it okish? But not really ok.
But if Lily drove home (as I think she did) and Russ stopped at the shop
to buy something (wine?) when he first arrived, I assumed he had also
driven. I wonder how he paid for the petrol for the trip down from
Manchester.
He had a full tank but used it up visiting his various floozies[TM]
BTN
MV. IMHO.
--
Jenny M Benson
steveski
2018-12-22 22:19:05 UTC
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Post by steveski
He had a full tank but used it up visiting his various floozies[TM]
BTN
MV. IMHO.
Thing is . . . the thing is . . . there's far more prurience in your
interpretations of what you think I said than was in my mind when I wrote
it.

'A full tank' is not an oblique reference to things gonadic. It means a
full tank of petrol in his car.

Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.

:-)
--
Steveski
BrritSki
2018-12-23 07:57:46 UTC
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Post by Jenny M Benson
Post by steveski
He had a full tank but used it up visiting his various floozies[TM]
BTN
MV. IMHO.
Thing is . . . the thing is . . . there's far more prurience in your
it.
'A full tank' is not an oblique reference to things gonadic. It means a
full tank of petrol in his car.
Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.
:-)
Aha, the Lewinsky defence.
Mike
2018-12-23 08:53:59 UTC
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Post by steveski
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Post by Jenny M Benson
Post by steveski
He had a full tank but used it up visiting his various floozies[TM]
BTN
MV. IMHO.
Thing is . . . the thing is . . . there's far more prurience in your
it.
'A full tank' is not an oblique reference to things gonadic. It means a
full tank of petrol in his car.
Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.
:-)
Quaite!
--
Toodle Pip
Sid Nuncius
2018-12-24 07:38:37 UTC
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Post by Jenny M Benson
Post by steveski
He had a full tank but used it up visiting his various floozies[TM]
BTN
MV. IMHO.
H? *H*?

For heaven's sake get a grip, Jenny! Where will we be if the BTM
decides her opinion is humble? Eh?

And anyway, your opinion is invariably spot-on, I*M*HO. :o)
--
Sid (Make sure Matron is away when you reply)
Sam Plusnet
2018-12-24 21:41:25 UTC
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Post by Jenny M Benson
Post by steveski
He had a full tank but used it up visiting his various floozies[TM]
BTN
MV. IMHO.
H?  *H*?
For heaven's sake get a grip, Jenny!  Where will we be if the BTM
decides her opinion is humble?  Eh?
And anyway, your opinion is invariably spot-on, I*M*HO.  :o)
You may be in error old chap.

Haughty.
--
Sam Plusnet
John Ashby
2018-12-24 22:06:51 UTC
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Post by Sam Plusnet
Post by Jenny M Benson
Post by steveski
He had a full tank but used it up visiting his various floozies[TM]
BTN
MV. IMHO.
H?  *H*?
For heaven's sake get a grip, Jenny!  Where will we be if the BTM
decides her opinion is humble?  Eh?
And anyway, your opinion is invariably spot-on, I*M*HO.  :o)
You may be in error old chap.
Haughty.
3rd reserve for the Seven Dwarves.

john (Oh no he isn't)
Chris McMillan
2018-12-22 13:51:30 UTC
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Post by Vicky Ayech
Post by DavidK
Post by Vicky Ayech
And he made her pay for petrol.
It's unclear to me how many cars he and Lily have. I *think* that she
packed her and Freddy's joint car to go to university. Do we know
whether they are running two cars or was it Lily's car that Elizabeth
filled?
I thought Lily's, which sort of made it okish? But not really ok.
Surely Lily drove herself back to LL, Russ has his own car, therefore he
drove Lizzie craftily so it’s her paying for *his* petrol.

Sincerely Chris
Nick Odell
2018-12-22 21:21:51 UTC
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Post by Chris McMillan
Post by Vicky Ayech
Post by DavidK
Post by Vicky Ayech
And he made her pay for petrol.
It's unclear to me how many cars he and Lily have. I *think* that she
packed her and Freddy's joint car to go to university. Do we know
whether they are running two cars or was it Lily's car that Elizabeth
filled?
I thought Lily's, which sort of made it okish? But not really ok.
Surely Lily drove herself back to LL, Russ has his own car, therefore he
drove Lizzie craftily so it’s her paying for *his* petrol.
Sincerely Chris
Which reminds me <swerve>...

When you drive your internal combustion engined car to stay with a
friend overnight, do you ask them to give you some money for the petrol
home? So what is the etiquette concerning asking to recharge your
electric vehicle?

Nick
Penny
2018-12-22 22:23:02 UTC
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On Sat, 22 Dec 2018 21:21:51 +0000, Nick Odell
Post by Nick Odell
When you drive your internal combustion engined car to stay with a
friend overnight, do you ask them to give you some money for the petrol
home? So what is the etiquette concerning asking to recharge your
electric vehicle?
At this stage of the game I think they'd be shocked if asked to pay for the
fuel to get you home again but would happily let you plug the car in for a
recharge.

Is this even possible? One of the things which puts me off electric cars at
the moment is the lack of suitable charging points (although I spotted one
at a rural community hall recently) and the time it takes to charge. AIUI
there are at least two different systems which require different plugs, or
possibly sockets.
--
Penny
Annoyed by The Archers since 1959
Nick Odell
2018-12-22 23:44:18 UTC
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Post by Penny
On Sat, 22 Dec 2018 21:21:51 +0000, Nick Odell
Post by Nick Odell
When you drive your internal combustion engined car to stay with a
friend overnight, do you ask them to give you some money for the petrol
home? So what is the etiquette concerning asking to recharge your
electric vehicle?
At this stage of the game I think they'd be shocked if asked to pay for the
fuel to get you home again but would happily let you plug the car in for a
recharge.
This is what I thought. I wonder how long it will take before people
realise it is not very different from asking your friend for petrol
money. OTOH if electric cars really take off [1] [2] maybe we will have
a more sharing society.
Post by Penny
Is this even possible? One of the things which puts me off electric cars at
the moment is the lack of suitable charging points (although I spotted one
at a rural community hall recently) and the time it takes to charge. AIUI
there are at least two different systems which require different plugs, or
possibly sockets.
I only have one friend with an electric car but as far as I know it's
possible to take a portable charger with you and plug it into a standard
13A socket. You get a quicker charge through a proper charging point,
though.

Nick
[1] That's take off as in become more popular, not as in Back To The Future
[2]I mean properly take off - not just like this:-
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-46152853
Vicky Ayech
2018-12-23 09:01:27 UTC
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On Sat, 22 Dec 2018 23:44:18 +0000, Nick Odell
Post by Nick Odell
Post by Penny
On Sat, 22 Dec 2018 21:21:51 +0000, Nick Odell
Post by Nick Odell
When you drive your internal combustion engined car to stay with a
friend overnight, do you ask them to give you some money for the petrol
home? So what is the etiquette concerning asking to recharge your
electric vehicle?
At this stage of the game I think they'd be shocked if asked to pay for the
fuel to get you home again but would happily let you plug the car in for a
recharge.
This is what I thought. I wonder how long it will take before people
realise it is not very different from asking your friend for petrol
money. OTOH if electric cars really take off [1] [2] maybe we will have
a more sharing society.
Post by Penny
Is this even possible? One of the things which puts me off electric cars at
the moment is the lack of suitable charging points (although I spotted one
at a rural community hall recently) and the time it takes to charge. AIUI
there are at least two different systems which require different plugs, or
possibly sockets.
I only have one friend with an electric car but as far as I know it's
possible to take a portable charger with you and plug it into a standard
13A socket. You get a quicker charge through a proper charging point,
though.
Nick
[1] That's take off as in become more popular, not as in Back To The Future
[2]I mean properly take off - not just like this:-
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-46152853
The thing is you can't take an electric car to any garage on the way
back from your friends to charge it, can you? And it is convenient to
let it charge while you visit. No need to go to a garage at all. Asda
locally does have charging places but it would be a pain to have to
sit in the carpark while it charges. How long for? You could shop for
however long, and they've just put a McD in there too and there is an
Asda cafe. But doing it at the friends' house is easier. It is not
expensive like petrol, is it?
Mike
2018-12-23 09:10:25 UTC
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Post by Vicky Ayech
On Sat, 22 Dec 2018 23:44:18 +0000, Nick Odell
Post by Nick Odell
Post by Penny
On Sat, 22 Dec 2018 21:21:51 +0000, Nick Odell
Post by Nick Odell
When you drive your internal combustion engined car to stay with a
friend overnight, do you ask them to give you some money for the petrol
home? So what is the etiquette concerning asking to recharge your
electric vehicle?
At this stage of the game I think they'd be shocked if asked to pay for the
fuel to get you home again but would happily let you plug the car in for a
recharge.
This is what I thought. I wonder how long it will take before people
realise it is not very different from asking your friend for petrol
money. OTOH if electric cars really take off [1] [2] maybe we will have
a more sharing society.
Post by Penny
Is this even possible? One of the things which puts me off electric cars at
the moment is the lack of suitable charging points (although I spotted one
at a rural community hall recently) and the time it takes to charge. AIUI
there are at least two different systems which require different plugs, or
possibly sockets.
I only have one friend with an electric car but as far as I know it's
possible to take a portable charger with you and plug it into a standard
13A socket. You get a quicker charge through a proper charging point,
though.
Nick
[1] That's take off as in become more popular, not as in Back To The Future
[2]I mean properly take off - not just like this:-
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-46152853
The thing is you can't take an electric car to any garage on the way
back from your friends to charge it, can you? And it is convenient to
let it charge while you visit. No need to go to a garage at all. Asda
locally does have charging places but it would be a pain to have to
sit in the carpark while it charges. How long for? You could shop for
however long, and they've just put a McD in there too and there is an
Asda cafe. But doing it at the friends' house is easier. It is not
expensive like petrol, is it?
Dunno how it works out but.... the average car must have a fair few
horsepower of battery capacity and 1 horsepower equals 745.6 watts - as
they say, ‘do the math’.
--
Toodle Pip
Vicky Ayech
2018-12-23 11:24:46 UTC
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Post by Mike
Post by Vicky Ayech
On Sat, 22 Dec 2018 23:44:18 +0000, Nick Odell
Post by Nick Odell
Post by Penny
On Sat, 22 Dec 2018 21:21:51 +0000, Nick Odell
Post by Nick Odell
When you drive your internal combustion engined car to stay with a
friend overnight, do you ask them to give you some money for the petrol
home? So what is the etiquette concerning asking to recharge your
electric vehicle?
At this stage of the game I think they'd be shocked if asked to pay for the
fuel to get you home again but would happily let you plug the car in for a
recharge.
This is what I thought. I wonder how long it will take before people
realise it is not very different from asking your friend for petrol
money. OTOH if electric cars really take off [1] [2] maybe we will have
a more sharing society.
Post by Penny
Is this even possible? One of the things which puts me off electric cars at
the moment is the lack of suitable charging points (although I spotted one
at a rural community hall recently) and the time it takes to charge. AIUI
there are at least two different systems which require different plugs, or
possibly sockets.
I only have one friend with an electric car but as far as I know it's
possible to take a portable charger with you and plug it into a standard
13A socket. You get a quicker charge through a proper charging point,
though.
Nick
[1] That's take off as in become more popular, not as in Back To The Future
[2]I mean properly take off - not just like this:-
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-46152853
The thing is you can't take an electric car to any garage on the way
back from your friends to charge it, can you? And it is convenient to
let it charge while you visit. No need to go to a garage at all. Asda
locally does have charging places but it would be a pain to have to
sit in the carpark while it charges. How long for? You could shop for
however long, and they've just put a McD in there too and there is an
Asda cafe. But doing it at the friends' house is easier. It is not
expensive like petrol, is it?
Dunno how it works out but.... the average car must have a fair few
horsepower of battery capacity and 1 horsepower equals 745.6 watts - as
they say, ‘do the math’.
A car does about 400 miles on a charge? If I visit ALly and it's
around 200 miles I suppose I'd stay over and want to charge the car. b
just suggested you would ask if you can charge your phone. But car is
more. And he also just mentioned pre-pay and smart meters. If the
counter is counting down...in ££ I'd offer to pay. Also just
suggested put chargers on street lamps. Also I just thought of how
using people's phones when visiting, landlines I mean. Before itemised
billing...
Fenny
2018-12-23 21:46:04 UTC
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Post by Vicky Ayech
A car does about 400 miles on a charge?
Very few electric (rather than hybrid) cars have a range of 200 miles
and most far less than that. This is the reason there's no way I
would have one. It's a 190 mile round trip to Ma's plus the extras
around town. As there's nowhere to charge the car at Ma's overnight,
I'd have to stop on the way home and waste time in a 100 minute
journey to charge.

OTOH, our local council charging points are free.
--
Fenny
the Omrud
2018-12-23 17:27:22 UTC
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Post by Nick Odell
Post by Penny
On Sat, 22 Dec 2018 21:21:51 +0000, Nick Odell
Post by Nick Odell
When you drive your internal combustion engined car to stay with a
friend overnight, do you ask them to give you some money for the petrol
home? So what is the etiquette concerning asking to recharge your
electric vehicle?
At this stage of the game I think they'd be shocked if asked to pay for the
fuel to get you home again but would happily let you plug the car in for a
recharge.
This is what I thought. I wonder how long it will take before people
realise it is not very different from asking your friend for petrol
money. OTOH if electric cars really take off [1] [2] maybe we will have
a more sharing society.
Would you ask to recharge your phone?

I think the point of the car is that the cost of a single recharge is
very small. Unless you've got a Tesla.
--
David
Nick Odell
2018-12-23 19:48:51 UTC
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Post by the Omrud
Post by Nick Odell
Post by Penny
On Sat, 22 Dec 2018 21:21:51 +0000, Nick Odell
Post by Nick Odell
When you drive your internal combustion engined car to stay with a
friend overnight, do you ask them to give you some money for the petrol
home? So what is the etiquette concerning asking to recharge your
electric vehicle?
At this stage of the game I think they'd be shocked if asked to pay for the
fuel to get you home again but would happily let you plug the car in for a
recharge.
This is what I thought. I wonder how long it will take before people
realise it is not very different from asking your friend for petrol
money. OTOH if electric cars really take off [1] [2] maybe we will
have a more sharing society.
Would you ask to recharge your phone?
I think the point of the car is that the cost of a single recharge is
very small.  Unless you've got a Tesla.
Based on their capacity figures and my domestic electricity figures it
should cost under a fiver to recharge a Nissan Leaf.

But not a lot under a fiver.

Nick
Sam Plusnet
2018-12-23 21:27:03 UTC
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Post by Nick Odell
Post by the Omrud
Post by Nick Odell
Post by Penny
On Sat, 22 Dec 2018 21:21:51 +0000, Nick Odell
Post by Nick Odell
When you drive your internal combustion engined car to stay with a
friend overnight, do you ask them to give you some money for the petrol
home? So what is the etiquette concerning asking to recharge your
electric vehicle?
At this stage of the game I think they'd be shocked if asked to pay for the
fuel to get you home again but would happily let you plug the car in for a
recharge.
This is what I thought. I wonder how long it will take before people
realise it is not very different from asking your friend for petrol
money. OTOH if electric cars really take off [1] [2] maybe we will
have a more sharing society.
Would you ask to recharge your phone?
I think the point of the car is that the cost of a single recharge is
very small.  Unless you've got a Tesla.
Based on their capacity figures and my domestic electricity figures it
should cost under a fiver to recharge a Nissan Leaf.
But not a lot under a fiver.
Does that allow for losses in the charging process?
I have no idea what the efficiency would be.

The cost of charging a phone would be too small to calculate.
--
Sam Plusnet
Nick Odell
2018-12-23 23:32:32 UTC
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Post by Sam Plusnet
Post by Nick Odell
Post by the Omrud
Post by Nick Odell
Post by Penny
On Sat, 22 Dec 2018 21:21:51 +0000, Nick Odell
Post by Nick Odell
When you drive your internal combustion engined car to stay with a
friend overnight, do you ask them to give you some money for the petrol
home? So what is the etiquette concerning asking to recharge your
electric vehicle?
At this stage of the game I think they'd be shocked if asked to pay for the
fuel to get you home again but would happily let you plug the car in for a
recharge.
This is what I thought. I wonder how long it will take before people
realise it is not very different from asking your friend for petrol
money. OTOH if electric cars really take off [1] [2] maybe we will
have a more sharing society.
Would you ask to recharge your phone?
I think the point of the car is that the cost of a single recharge is
very small.  Unless you've got a Tesla.
Based on their capacity figures and my domestic electricity figures it
should cost under a fiver to recharge a Nissan Leaf.
But not a lot under a fiver.
Does that allow for losses in the charging process?
I have no idea what the efficiency would be.
The cost of charging a phone would be too small to calculate.
It's all very rule of thumb. I pay 18p per unit and the Leaf Battery has
a capacity of 30KWh but won't discharge below 28KWh (according to the
manufacturer's notes) and probably wouldn't be redlining when plugged in
at the friend's house. In the worst case scenario it would just squeeze
its way past a fiver but I'm presuming it mostly wouldn't be that bad
and will come in under the magic 5.

For the purpose of charging losses I think I'm willing to presume the
friends don't live all that far away and stick to my fiver.

Nick
Sam Plusnet
2018-12-24 01:27:54 UTC
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Post by Nick Odell
Post by Sam Plusnet
Post by Nick Odell
Post by the Omrud
Post by Nick Odell
Post by Penny
On Sat, 22 Dec 2018 21:21:51 +0000, Nick Odell
Post by Nick Odell
When you drive your internal combustion engined car to stay with a
friend overnight, do you ask them to give you some money for the petrol
home? So what is the etiquette concerning asking to recharge your
electric vehicle?
At this stage of the game I think they'd be shocked if asked to pay for the
fuel to get you home again but would happily let you plug the car in for a
recharge.
This is what I thought. I wonder how long it will take before
people realise it is not very different from asking your friend for
petrol money. OTOH if electric cars really take off [1] [2] maybe
we will have a more sharing society.
Would you ask to recharge your phone?
I think the point of the car is that the cost of a single recharge
is very small.  Unless you've got a Tesla.
Based on their capacity figures and my domestic electricity figures
it should cost under a fiver to recharge a Nissan Leaf.
But not a lot under a fiver.
Does that allow for losses in the charging process?
I have no idea what the efficiency would be.
The cost of charging a phone would be too small to calculate.
It's all very rule of thumb. I pay 18p per unit and the Leaf Battery has
a capacity of 30KWh but won't discharge below 28KWh
Does that mean you can only use 2KWh out of that 30KWh capacity?
Or have I got it upside down?

(according to the
Post by Nick Odell
manufacturer's notes) and probably wouldn't be redlining when plugged in
at the friend's house. In the worst case scenario it would just squeeze
its way past a fiver but I'm presuming it mostly wouldn't be that bad
and will come in under the magic 5.
For the purpose of charging losses I think I'm willing to presume the
friends don't live all that far away and stick to my fiver.
The mains AC supply has to be converted to (some form of) DC to charge
the battery, and I don't know how efficient that conversion is.
I.E. To put 1 KWh back into the battery, does that take 1.2 KWh from the
house supply?
--
Sam Plusnet
Nick Odell
2018-12-24 02:28:08 UTC
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Post by Sam Plusnet
Post by Nick Odell
Post by Sam Plusnet
Post by Nick Odell
Post by the Omrud
Post by Nick Odell
Post by Penny
On Sat, 22 Dec 2018 21:21:51 +0000, Nick Odell
Post by Nick Odell
When you drive your internal combustion engined car to stay with a
friend overnight, do you ask them to give you some money for the petrol
home? So what is the etiquette concerning asking to recharge your
electric vehicle?
At this stage of the game I think they'd be shocked if asked to pay for the
fuel to get you home again but would happily let you plug the car in for a
recharge.
This is what I thought. I wonder how long it will take before
people realise it is not very different from asking your friend
for petrol money. OTOH if electric cars really take off [1] [2]
maybe we will have a more sharing society.
Would you ask to recharge your phone?
I think the point of the car is that the cost of a single recharge
is very small.  Unless you've got a Tesla.
Based on their capacity figures and my domestic electricity figures
it should cost under a fiver to recharge a Nissan Leaf.
But not a lot under a fiver.
Does that allow for losses in the charging process?
I have no idea what the efficiency would be.
The cost of charging a phone would be too small to calculate.
It's all very rule of thumb. I pay 18p per unit and the Leaf Battery
has a capacity of 30KWh but won't discharge below 28KWh
Does that mean you can only use 2KWh out of that 30KWh capacity?
Or have I got it upside down?
 (according to the
Post by Nick Odell
manufacturer's notes) and probably wouldn't be redlining when plugged
in at the friend's house. In the worst case scenario it would just
squeeze its way past a fiver but I'm presuming it mostly wouldn't be
that bad and will come in under the magic 5.
For the purpose of charging losses I think I'm willing to presume the
friends don't live all that far away and stick to my fiver.
The mains AC supply has to be converted to (some form of) DC to charge
the battery, and I don't know how efficient that conversion is.
I.E. To put 1 KWh back into the battery, does that take 1.2 KWh from the
house supply?
Sorry, I've said that back to front. It won't discharge more than 28KWh
leaving 2KWh in reserve. No, I don't know in reserve for what. Perhaps
the battery would be damaged by a complete discharge.

I believe the charging points are limited to 8KWh so if they were too
inefficient even losses of around 20% would cause a significant heating
effect. I haven't done any deeper research than this.

Nick
Mike
2018-12-24 08:40:36 UTC
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Post by Nick Odell
Post by Sam Plusnet
Post by Nick Odell
Post by the Omrud
Post by Nick Odell
Post by Penny
On Sat, 22 Dec 2018 21:21:51 +0000, Nick Odell
Post by Nick Odell
When you drive your internal combustion engined car to stay with a
friend overnight, do you ask them to give you some money for the petrol
home? So what is the etiquette concerning asking to recharge your
electric vehicle?
At this stage of the game I think they'd be shocked if asked to pay for the
fuel to get you home again but would happily let you plug the car in for a
recharge.
This is what I thought. I wonder how long it will take before people
realise it is not very different from asking your friend for petrol
money. OTOH if electric cars really take off [1] [2] maybe we will
have a more sharing society.
Would you ask to recharge your phone?
I think the point of the car is that the cost of a single recharge is
very small.  Unless you've got a Tesla.
Based on their capacity figures and my domestic electricity figures it
should cost under a fiver to recharge a Nissan Leaf.
But not a lot under a fiver.
Does that allow for losses in the charging process?
I have no idea what the efficiency would be.
The cost of charging a phone would be too small to calculate.
It's all very rule of thumb. I pay 18p per unit and the Leaf Battery has
a capacity of 30KWh but won't discharge below 28KWh (according to the
manufacturer's notes) and probably wouldn't be redlining when plugged in
at the friend's house. In the worst case scenario it would just squeeze
its way past a fiver but I'm presuming it mostly wouldn't be that bad
and will come in under the magic 5.
For the purpose of charging losses I think I'm willing to presume the
friends don't live all that far away and stick to my fiver.
Nick
Explorers often worked in ‘days’ travel to wherever, perhaps car travel
will be measured in ‘fivers’?
--
Toodle Pip
krw
2018-12-27 15:18:05 UTC
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Post by the Omrud
I think the point of the car is that the cost of a single recharge is
very small.  Unless you've got a Tesla.
Is it? How much is it?
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Kosmo Richard W
www.travelswmw.whitnet.uk
https://tinyurl.com/KRWpics
Mike
2018-12-27 15:24:32 UTC
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Post by krw
Post by the Omrud
I think the point of the car is that the cost of a single recharge is
very small.  Unless you've got a Tesla.
Is it? How much is it?
Why should the cost of recharging a Tesla be at variance with t’others
please?
--
Toodle Pip
Mike
2018-12-23 08:52:34 UTC
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Post by Vicky Ayech
Post by DavidK
Post by Vicky Ayech
And he made her pay for petrol.
It's unclear to me how many cars he and Lily have. I *think* that she
packed her and Freddy's joint car to go to university. Do we know
whether they are running two cars or was it Lily's car that Elizabeth
filled?
I thought Lily's, which sort of made it okish? But not really ok.
Surely Lily drove herself back to LL, Russ has his own car, therefore he
drove Lizzie craftily so it’s her paying for *his* petrol.
Sincerely Chris
Which reminds me <swerve>...
When you drive your internal combustion engined car to stay with a
friend overnight, do you ask them to give you some money for the petrol
home? So what is the etiquette concerning asking to recharge your
electric vehicle?
Nick
Shirley you pay them an ohming fee, based on the current rate of course.
--
Toodle Pip
BrritSki
2018-12-22 08:33:37 UTC
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Post by DavidK
Post by Vicky Ayech
And he made her pay for petrol.
It's unclear to me how many cars he and Lily have. I *think* that she
packed her and Freddy's joint car to go to university. Do we know
whether they are running two cars or was it Lily's car that Elizabeth
filled?
Having caught a bit of that epi (despite not having listened to last
week's omni yet) I would like to OP that Russ will end up with Lizzie.
You heard it here first...
LFS
2018-12-22 09:20:37 UTC
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Post by BrritSki
Post by DavidK
Post by Vicky Ayech
And he made her pay for petrol.
It's unclear to me how many cars he and Lily have. I *think* that she
packed her and Freddy's joint car to go to university. Do we know
whether they are running two cars or was it Lily's car that Elizabeth
filled?
Having caught a bit of that epi (despite not having listened to last
week's omni yet) I would like to OP that Russ will end up with Lizzie.
You heard it here first...
If that happens, I shall definitely stop listening. His whiny voice is
deeply unpleasant, give me a real villain like Rob any day, not this
miserable milksop. I am hoping that Jill will chase him out of Ambridge
under a hail of seasonal baked goods.
--
Laura (emulate St George for email)
Chris McMillan
2018-12-22 13:51:30 UTC
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Post by BrritSki
Post by DavidK
Post by Vicky Ayech
And he made her pay for petrol.
It's unclear to me how many cars he and Lily have. I *think* that she
packed her and Freddy's joint car to go to university. Do we know
whether they are running two cars or was it Lily's car that Elizabeth
filled?
Having caught a bit of that epi (despite not having listened to last
week's omni yet) I would like to OP that Russ will end up with Lizzie.
You heard it here first...
Nooooooooo! Although she’s not got much of a track record in salubrious
men

Sincerely Chris
Vicky Ayech
2018-12-22 21:53:41 UTC
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On Sat, 22 Dec 2018 13:51:30 GMT, Chris McMillan
Post by BrritSki
Post by DavidK
Post by Vicky Ayech
And he made her pay for petrol.
It's unclear to me how many cars he and Lily have. I *think* that she
packed her and Freddy's joint car to go to university. Do we know
whether they are running two cars or was it Lily's car that Elizabeth
filled?
Having caught a bit of that epi (despite not having listened to last
week's omni yet) I would like to OP that Russ will end up with Lizzie.
You heard it here first...
Nooooooooo! Although she’s not got much of a track record in salubrious
men
Sincerely Chris
I thought Nigel was lovely.
BrritSki
2018-12-23 07:58:01 UTC
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Post by Vicky Ayech
On Sat, 22 Dec 2018 13:51:30 GMT, Chris McMillan
Post by Chris McMillan
Post by BrritSki
Post by DavidK
Post by Vicky Ayech
And he made her pay for petrol.
It's unclear to me how many cars he and Lily have. I *think* that she
packed her and Freddy's joint car to go to university. Do we know
whether they are running two cars or was it Lily's car that Elizabeth
filled?
Having caught a bit of that epi (despite not having listened to last
week's omni yet) I would like to OP that Russ will end up with Lizzie.
You heard it here first...
Nooooooooo! Although she’s not got much of a track record in salubrious
men
Sincerely Chris
I thought Nigel was lovely.
One cuckoo does not a summer make.
Chris McMillan
2018-12-23 11:48:19 UTC
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Post by Vicky Ayech
On Sat, 22 Dec 2018 13:51:30 GMT, Chris McMillan
Post by BrritSki
Post by DavidK
Post by Vicky Ayech
And he made her pay for petrol.
It's unclear to me how many cars he and Lily have. I *think* that she
packed her and Freddy's joint car to go to university. Do we know
whether they are running two cars or was it Lily's car that Elizabeth
filled?
Having caught a bit of that epi (despite not having listened to last
week's omni yet) I would like to OP that Russ will end up with Lizzie.
You heard it here first...
Nooooooooo! Although she’s not got much of a track record in salubrious
men
Sincerely Chris
I thought Nigel was lovely.
Even so, he was still not yer normal stuffed shirt ye olde lord of the
manor which presumably PhilnJill would have preferred if she were a
seriously social climbing Archer.

Sincerely Chris
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