[Emc-users] BDI-4.25 released.

Discussion:

paul_c

2005-09-05 18:29:51 UTC

Just when everyone thought it safe to go back to sleep... BDI-4.25 is slowly
making it's way on to the mirrors - Several packages have been updated from
Debian-Security, these include cvs, sudo zlib, and a few others.
EMC has received another bug fix that should improve verify times.

A reorganisation of the master repository has resulted in improvements in the
way packages are selected for the final CD - This has resulted in a
significant reduction in size over earlier releases. Some of the space freed
up has been used to add additional tools and libraries. Still, the final
BDI-4.25 ISO is some 18Megs smaller than the BDI-4.20 release.

Unless any major foobar comes to light, this will be the last release for a
while.

Regards, Paul.

Stephen Wille Padnos

2005-09-05 18:37:41 UTC

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Odd - I thought I had put that fix into the BDI4 branch at Fest - oh well.

Post by paul_c
A reorganisation of the master repository has resulted in improvements in the
way packages are selected for the final CD - This has resulted in a
significant reduction in size over earlier releases. Some of the space freed
up has been used to add additional tools and libraries. Still, the final
BDI-4.25 ISO is some 18Megs smaller than the BDI-4.20 release.

Cool. Were you able to cram all of the necessary development tools onto
the disc? I seem to remember that some packages needed to be downloaded
after installation.

Post by paul_c
Unless any major foobar comes to light, this will be the last release for a
while.

That's good - I'm running out of blank CDRs :)

Post by paul_c
Regards, Paul.

Thanks
- Steve

paul_c

2005-09-05 18:58:52 UTC

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Hi Steve

Cool. Were you able to cram all of the necessary development tools onto
the disc? I seem to remember that some packages needed to be downloaded
after installation.

Everything needed to compile EMC was included on the BDI-x.xx from the
earliest release. The development libraries and tools are generally installed
only if you select them during the Customize Package Selections menu. These
are not part of the default install as many users will want to avoid doing
any development work.

Post by paul_c
Unless any major foobar comes to light, this will be the last release for
a while.

That's good - I'm running out of blank CDRs :)

Well.... You could have the full Sarge mirror plus sources at a guesstimate of
some 25 disks.. Not forgetting the contrib, non-free, and non-US sections
('cept much of non-US is illegal for you to use) - That would add a few more
beer mats to the set...

Regards, Paul.

Stephen Wille Padnos

2005-09-05 20:40:25 UTC

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Post by paul_c
Hi Steve

Post by Stephen Wille Padnos
Cool. Were you able to cram all of the necessary development tools onto
the disc? I seem to remember that some packages needed to be downloaded
after installation.

Hiya Paul.

Maybe I was thinking of the additional libraries needed for QT and
KConfig related development. Can you do a make xconfig in the kernel
tree with the developer BDI install?

- Steve

markwayne

2005-09-06 01:07:01 UTC

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Is there any reason you know why 4.23 should run slow as in slow GUI responsiveness compared to 4.20? This is without EMC running at all. I hope 4.25 fixes this.

Mark

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To: emc-***@lists.sourceforge.net
Subject: Re: [Emc-users] BDI-4.25 released.

Post by paul_c
Hi Steve

Post by Stephen Wille Padnos
Cool. Were you able to cram all of the necessary development tools onto
the disc? I seem to remember that some packages needed to be downloaded
after installation.

Hiya Paul.

Maybe I was thinking of the additional libraries needed for QT and
KConfig related development. Can you do a make xconfig in the kernel
tree with the developer BDI install?

- Steve

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David A. Frantz

2005-09-06 01:06:00 UTC

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Into the breech once more...

Having downloaded both 23 and 24 and finishing those downloads just in
time to start another, I'm hopeing this is the last for awhile. I
will ask though what are the fixes and is another download a requirement
or are these mostly security related?

Thanks
dave

Post by paul_c
Just when everyone thought it safe to go back to sleep... BDI-4.25 is slowly
making it's way on to the mirrors - Several packages have been updated from
Debian-Security, these include cvs, sudo zlib, and a few others.
EMC has received another bug fix that should improve verify times.
A reorganisation of the master repository has resulted in improvements in the
way packages are selected for the final CD - This has resulted in a
significant reduction in size over earlier releases. Some of the space freed
up has been used to add additional tools and libraries. Still, the final
BDI-4.25 ISO is some 18Megs smaller than the BDI-4.20 release.
Unless any major foobar comes to light, this will be the last release for a
while.
Regards, Paul.
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paul_c

2005-09-06 08:33:22 UTC

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Hi David

Post by David A. Frantz
Having downloaded both 23 and 24 and finishing those downloads just in
time to start another, I'm hopeing this is the last for awhile. I
will ask though what are the fixes and is another download a requirement
or are these mostly security related?

Most of the changes are security related bug fixes, along with a small bug fix
to EMC. There is no need to do a full reinstall from 4.23 to 4.25, although
if you are upgrading from 4.20 or earlier, it may be easier..
Using synaptic go to Edit->Add CD-ROM, the disk will be scanned - Selecting
Status & Installed(Upgradeable), you can pick out the packages that have
changed.

For the command line:

apt-cdrom add
apt-get upgrade

Regards, Paul.

markwayne

2005-09-06 01:47:16 UTC

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once more onto the breech my fine countrymen......

me to I downloaded 18 20 23 24 and managed to install 18,20 and 23. I have to wait till I go to class at the comm. coll. to have a fast connection .

Has any one had trouble installing these builds? I have had the installer stop at just about every screen and lock up. Every thing from the time zone selection to minites from completeing the file transfer. After 6-10 tries I finally got a clean install. This box is a celeron 300a (@450) VIA apollo pro chipset 256M of memory. It passes memtest over nite with no errors. I had a Morphix/Debian install on it before the 4.18 that ran fine. In the past it had win 98 ME NT4 and 2000 also several rouge shappo versions as well run on it. Any ideas?

Mark

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From: "David A. Frantz" <***@frontiernet.net>
Sent: Sep 5, 2005 9:06 PM
To: emc-***@lists.sourceforge.net
Subject: Re: [Emc-users] BDI-4.25 released.

Into the breech once more...

Having downloaded both 23 and 24 and finishing those downloads just in
time to start another, I'm hopeing this is the last for awhile. I
will ask though what are the fixes and is another download a requirement
or are these mostly security related?

Thanks
dave

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Stephen Wille Padnos

2005-09-06 04:15:40 UTC

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David A. Frantz

2005-09-06 08:28:56 UTC

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I have had similar issues with a number of CDROM drives on a number of
different computers. As Steve suggest lower your write rate no
matter what the drive or media says it can do.

I have a Linux system and a number of tools to try to burn CD's with.
The issue really seems to be a combination of the drive and the
media. slow write speeds can do wonders for making a clean usable
CD. You still have the issue of an unstable drive that you should
keep in the back of your mind.

As to your specific issues, I'm not sure if they changed the installer
that much with this version of BDI. My last install of debian was from
unstable, but there they did have issues with the installer program
itself. I don't remember lock ups but what I do remember is
unexpected behaviour. So I'm thinking you issue is still the CD.

Thanks
Dave

Post by Stephen Wille Padnos

Post by markwayne
once more onto the breech my fine countrymen......
me to I downloaded 18 20 23 24 and managed to install 18,20 and 23. I
have to wait till I go to class at the comm. coll. to have a fast
connection .
Has any one had trouble installing these builds? I have had the
installer stop at just about every screen and lock up. Every thing
from the time zone selection to minites from completeing the file
transfer. After 6-10 tries I finally got a clean install. This box is
passes memtest over nite with no errors. I had a Morphix/Debian
install on it before the 4.18 that ran fine. In the past it had win
98 ME NT4 and 2000 also several rouge shappo versions as well run on
it. Any ideas?
Mark

The only time I've ever had a problem installing a BDI is when the CD
was corrupt. I burned again at 8x (instead of 12), and it was fine.
My machine is a celeron 500, 512M RAM, 20G IDE HD, 440BX chipset,
onboard C&T F69000 video (it has an LCD touchscreen). Pretty standard
stuff (except that I have to open it up to connect a CD-ROM if I want
to install :) )
- Steve
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paul_c

2005-09-06 08:43:12 UTC

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I have a Linux system and a number of tools to try to burn CD's with.
The issue really seems to be a combination of the drive and the
media. slow write speeds can do wonders for making a clean usable
CD. You still have the issue of an unstable drive that you should
keep in the back of your mind.

Agreed - Even although I have a 48x burner, record speed is always done at 8x
for best results. I have this set in the config, but it can be overridden
with the -speed flag.

As to your specific issues, I'm not sure if they changed the installer
that much with this version of BDI. My last install of debian was from
unstable, but there they did have issues with the installer program
itself. I don't remember lock ups but what I do remember is
unexpected behaviour. So I'm thinking you issue is still the CD.

I always found the Debian Installer to be somewhat irksome to use and not
something I would want to inflict on someone new to Linux. The BDI
installation disks (not Live) have always used Red Hat's anaconda. Some may
not like it, but if an eight year old can perform a complete install...

One of the additions to BDI-4.24 & 4.25 is a media check that can be triggered
from the first boot screen - As soon as the CD has booted, type in "linux
mediacheck" and follow the prompts. If an error is detected, you will be
warned that the CD is corrupt.

Regards, Paul.

j***@att.net

2005-09-06 13:40:31 UTC

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Post by paul_c
Most of the changes are security related bug fixes, along with a small bug fix
to EMC. There is no need to do a full reinstall from 4.23 to 4.25, although
if you are upgrading from 4.20 or earlier, it may be easier..
Using synaptic go to Edit->Add CD-ROM, the disk will be scanned - Selecting
Status & Installed(Upgradeable), you can pick out the packages that have
changed.
apt-cdrom add
apt-get upgrade

Is it possible to upgrade 4.23 to 4.25 without downloading the entire iso, by
fetching the revised packages directly from the repository(s)?

Regards,

John Kasunich

paul_c

2005-09-06 15:04:49 UTC

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Hi John

Post by j***@att.net
Is it possible to upgrade 4.23 to 4.25 without downloading the entire iso,
by fetching the revised packages directly from the repository(s)?

markwayne

2005-09-06 15:01:25 UTC

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My CD burning PC has a dual layer DVD-RW drive a Memorex. I did change CD roms because at first I was getting script parse errors when the install failed. I replaced this drive which wouldn't read CDRW also with a late model TEAC 40X unit out of another PC . I didn't get ant parse errors after that. I also in the process of trouble shooting I lowered the write speed to 24X from 40. It didn't seem to make a difference maybe you have to drop it further to see a change. I am gong to get to the bottom of this as soon as I have time. I'll report back later. I have a could of ideas to try like hooking up the DVD burner in the EMC box for the install to see if that makes the install go smooth. I don't want Linux / EMC rubies to have this experience so I want to know what is causing it.

I love that apt for updating. the best Debian related thing I think.

Thanks for the input,
Mark

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Markwayne

2005-09-11 02:21:46 UTC

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After going through many combinations of record speed and drives, I
figured out a few things. I have a motherboard thats flaky. Its a FIC
KA6100 VIA Apollo Pro chip set one of the early slot one mobos. Its
likely a problem in the IDE but it was never all that great so no big
deal its a tosser. As to drive record speed I did see the error rate
increase when the record speed was higher than the reading drives max
speed. Thus if you record at 40X on 40X media then try to read it on a
24X CD the results were more re-reads (you could hear the drive reading
the same spot over and over) and the install had less of a chance at
success. So keep those write speeds lower than that old CD's speed in
the EMC box. I had heard that recording slower than the target drive
read was a good thing and now I have proved it to my self.

Another thing I found, knock off the over clocking for Linux. Once I
dropped off the over clocking of a AMD K6-2+ to its rated 450 from 550
mhz the GUI and Linux in general seemed zippier. It seems the Linux
Kernel likes a low error rate in the memory read dept most likely. The
windows kernel seems to respond to clock speed more. This mobo/proc had
been over clocked for so long I forgot it was. Windows was stable and
the bench marks were improved. Another lesson learned.

Mark

Post by markwayne
My CD burning PC has a dual layer DVD-RW drive a Memorex. I did change CD roms because at first I was getting script parse errors when the install failed. I replaced this drive which wouldn't read CDRW also with a late model TEAC 40X unit out of another PC . I didn't get ant parse errors after that. I also in the process of trouble shooting I lowered the write speed to 24X from 40. It didn't seem to make a difference maybe you have to drop it further to see a change. I am gong to get to the bottom of this as soon as I have time. I'll report back later. I have a could of ideas to try like hooking up the DVD burner in the EMC box for the install to see if that makes the install go smooth. I don't want Linux / EMC rubies to have this experience so I want to know what is causing it.
I love that apt for updating. the best Debian related thing I think.
Thanks for the input,
Mark
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Sent: Sep 6, 2005 9:40 AM
Subject: Re: [Emc-users] BDI-4.25 released.

Is it possible to upgrade 4.23 to 4.25 without downloading the entire iso, by
fetching the revised packages directly from the repository(s)?
Regards,
John Kasunich
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Satchid

2005-09-06 15:54:57 UTC

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Hi all,

Where can I download the iso with the latest bdi-4.25? I usually got it from
Sherline, but the latest is not there yest.

Willy

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Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2005 5:05 PM
To: emc-***@lists.sourceforge.net
Subject: Re: [Emc-users] BDI-4.25 released.

Hi John

Post by j***@att.net
Is it possible to upgrade 4.23 to 4.25 without downloading the entire iso,
by fetching the revised packages directly from the repository(s)?

Add these two lines to /etc/apt/sources.list

deb http://security.debian.org/ sarge/updates main contrib non-free
deb http://81.100.211.99/BDI-4/ sarge updates extras

Then do:

apt-get update
apt-get upgrade

The total size of the updates repository is some 122Megs (and growing) so it

will have to stay on the end of a slow internet connection. As long as
security.debian.org appears above 81.100.211.99, the bulk of the updates
should come from Debian's server and reduce the load on my cable.

Regards, Paul.

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Chuck Rice

2005-09-06 20:34:37 UTC

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It is on my mirror site at

<http://www.wildrice.com/EMC/>

-Chuck-

Post by Satchid
Hi all,
Where can I download the iso with the latest bdi-4.25? I usually got it from
Sherline, but the latest is not there yest.
Willy
-----Original Message-----
Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2005 5:05 PM
Subject: Re: [Emc-users] BDI-4.25 released.
Hi John

Post by j***@att.net
Is it possible to upgrade 4.23 to 4.25 without downloading the entire iso,
by fetching the revised packages directly from the repository(s)?

Add these two lines to /etc/apt/sources.list
deb http://security.debian.org/ sarge/updates main contrib non-free
deb http://81.100.211.99/BDI-4/ sarge updates extras
apt-get update
apt-get upgrade
The total size of the updates repository is some 122Megs (and growing) so it
will have to stay on the end of a slow internet connection. As long as
security.debian.org appears above 81.100.211.99, the bulk of the updates
should come from Debian's server and reduce the load on my cable.
Regards, Paul.
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Satchid

2005-09-07 00:31:42 UTC

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Thank you,
I have it.

Willy

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Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2005 10:35 PM
To: emc-***@lists.sourceforge.net
Cc: Satchid
Subject: RE: [Emc-users] BDI-4.25 released.

It is on my mirror site at

<http://www.wildrice.com/EMC/>

-Chuck-

Post by Satchid
Hi all,
Where can I download the iso with the latest bdi-4.25? I usually got it

from

Post by Satchid
Sherline, but the latest is not there yest.
Willy
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Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2005 5:05 PM
Subject: Re: [Emc-users] BDI-4.25 released.
Hi John

Post by j***@att.net
Is it possible to upgrade 4.23 to 4.25 without downloading the entire

iso,

Post by Satchid

Post by j***@att.net
by fetching the revised packages directly from the repository(s)?

Post by Satchid
will have to stay on the end of a slow internet connection. As long as
security.debian.org appears above 81.100.211.99, the bulk of the updates
should come from Debian's server and reduce the load on my cable.
Regards, Paul.
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