Post by JohnGavinPost by JohnGavinPost by dkPost by HermanThe notion that Debussy should sound "fluid and sensual" as
all French music is a cliche, and one that you'll never hear
the French themselves use.
And I couldn't care less. Debussy should sound exactly as I like
it -- whether anyone else agrees or not. A chacun ses oreilles.
Post by HermanFor a long time the Philips recording by the Italiano Quartet
used to be the standard version,
Per The Gramophone.
Post by Hermanjust because they were "fluid and sensual", and also, very slow.
No, they weren't. This is what the British music reviewers thought
about them. The Quartetto Italiano was the string quartet equivalent
of Claudio Arthritis.
Post by HermanThe two recordings I like best, the past ten years, are the one
by the Ebene and the live Ysaye. Neither overdo the sensual thing
and the Ysaye is a little strident at times, which I suspect is
part of the music.
Whatever makes one happy makes one happy.
You always seem to do a jig around the objective / subjective line.
There is no "objective" in enjoying art.
Post by JohnGavinPost by JohnGavinI'm not sure whether it is a conscious or unconscious dance. I know
that it confounds and annoys people - partly because you're very
forceful in your presentation, and very absolute in your opinions.
I strive to state my opinions in the briefest way possible.
Why waste time and bandwidth? I have no intent of forcing
them on anyone. Pick what you agree with, debate what you
don't like, and go to sleep over the rest.
Post by JohnGavinPost by JohnGavin"Long been the widely accepted reference recording"----- then
"whatever makes one happy makes one happy".
No contradiction there. "Long accepted as reference by many people"
is a statistical summary. It doesn't argue individuals should like
something they don't.
Post by JohnGavinThen a dose of disrespect to Arrau fans (I'm not one, by the way)
?!?!?!?
Post by JohnGavinwith "Claudio Arthritis". All of this leaves some posters feeling
like they've been slapped around.
So many people in this ng are thin skinned and take everything
personally. It's no skin off anyone's nose if I consider Arrau
and Kempff to be some of the worst pianists of note.
Post by JohnGavinPost by JohnGavinOtherwise, I do often find your views interesting Dan.
Thanks!
Post by JohnGavinPersonally, I find your scolding more annoying than Dan's
forcefulness. And you mis-attributed the quote "Long been
the widely accepted reference recording" to Dan, when it
was Herman who said it.
No, I said it all right. Confusing indentation.
Post by JohnGavinCalling Arrau arthritic "insults" Arrau, I suppose,
It doesn't. It diagnoses him. He is 6 feet under and
long past the point when he might have felt insulted.
Post by JohnGavinbut not his fans.
Of course not.
Post by JohnGavinIt's not personal.
Of course not. As I said so many times, what makes
one happy makes one happy. If someone likes Arrau,
Backhaus, Brendel, Curzon, Haskil, Kempff, Lipatti,
LL, Perahia, Pollini, YW, etc... all the power to
them. They have an easier time and happier life
finding the music they like and listening to it
than perfectionists like your truly and a few
others around here.
Post by JohnGavinI don't understand your code of ethics at all.
Ethics on r.m.c.r? C'mon! Did you think r.m.c.r.
is a version of the British Parliament? ;-)
dk