Discussion:
Any GAS lately?
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Dan
2004-09-30 02:51:51 UTC
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OK... fess-up!

Who's given into a GAS attack say in the last 30 days?

I'll jump in... ! New Samick Royale... A Mesa Theile Cab w/ EV 200 W ..
Oh yeah.. one of those Digitech modeling thingees... There I've said it!
Now I need another 12 -15 Step Program... UGH!!!

Fess-up!

=) Danny
CRIPE733
2004-09-30 03:30:57 UTC
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H&K Tube Factor and an Analogman Mimi-BiComprossor.

Sweetness!
JOSEPH JEWELL
2004-09-30 04:21:57 UTC
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Sad Sad Sad. But, admitting it is the first step.
So, my name is Joe and in the last month I've added:
Dell'Arte Jimmy Rosenberg
Clarus 1R with Raezer's Edge 12
A Custom Shop Strat and Tele on order.
Now, if we go back to the beginning of summer, then we're really ready for
therapy.
Joe
www.joejewellguitar.com
www.clubdjango.com
Post by Dan
OK... fess-up!
Who's given into a GAS attack say in the last 30 days?
I'll jump in... ! New Samick Royale... A Mesa Theile Cab w/ EV 200 W ..
Oh yeah.. one of those Digitech modeling thingees... There I've said it!
Now I need another 12 -15 Step Program... UGH!!!
Fess-up!
=) Danny
postnetsf
2004-09-30 07:09:18 UTC
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Post by Dan
OK... fess-up!
Who's given into a GAS attack say in the last 30 days?
I'll jump in... ! New Samick Royale... A Mesa Theile Cab w/ EV 200 W ..
Oh yeah.. one of those Digitech modeling thingees... There I've said it!
Now I need another 12 -15 Step Program... UGH!!!
Fess-up!
=) Danny
Currently got some serioussssssssssssssssss GAS. Shopping for a warm
woody mellow sounding archtop. How do you like your new Royale? Is
that the Greg Bennett model JZ3 0r 4? Also shopping for a little
practice amp to use with my other guitars. Know anything about the
Alesis SPitfire 60? 12-step program wont help here since while I have
acknowledged the problem, I REFUSE to seek a cure!
Dan
2004-09-30 19:16:20 UTC
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Oh Yeah! gassers goin' strong.. a regular epidemic!!

RL 4 - Arch mahogany top, set neck, mahogany sides and back, rosewood Fgbd,
Duncan DesignedÂȘ HH, pearl type block inlays, GroverÂȘ tuners, gold Hdwr., 2
vol., 2 tone, 3 way toggle switch

Alot more guitar than the description... A friggen bargain to feed the
Jones ;-)

Danny
Post by postnetsf
Post by Dan
OK... fess-up!
Who's given into a GAS attack say in the last 30 days?
I'll jump in... ! New Samick Royale... A Mesa Theile Cab w/ EV 200 W ..
Oh yeah.. one of those Digitech modeling thingees... There I've said it!
Now I need another 12 -15 Step Program... UGH!!!
Fess-up!
=) Danny
Currently got some serioussssssssssssssssss GAS. Shopping for a warm
woody mellow sounding archtop. How do you like your new Royale? Is
that the Greg Bennett model JZ3 0r 4? Also shopping for a little
practice amp to use with my other guitars. Know anything about the
Alesis SPitfire 60? 12-step program wont help here since while I have
acknowledged the problem, I REFUSE to seek a cure!
Kurt Shapiro
2004-09-30 08:01:20 UTC
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Washburn WI67, and a Schecter 006 to butcher into a guitar/bass combo axe.

I need help bad.
Post by Dan
OK... fess-up!
Who's given into a GAS attack say in the last 30 days?
I'll jump in... ! New Samick Royale... A Mesa Theile Cab w/ EV 200 W ..
Oh yeah.. one of those Digitech modeling thingees... There I've said it!
Now I need another 12 -15 Step Program... UGH!!!
Fess-up!
=) Danny
Atari
2004-09-30 11:42:59 UTC
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Oh well admitting is the first step hope my wife doesnt read these posts its
easy to hide small gear hehe...

in the last 2 months

Yamaha SG 700S
12 string round back Ovation copy (wedding gift from my wife God love her)
Digitech RP80
Peavey Milestone 3 Bass
Peavey Basic 60 watt Bass combo (used)
Seymour Duncan JB
Seymour Duncan JB Jr
Post by Dan
OK... fess-up!
Who's given into a GAS attack say in the last 30 days?
I'll jump in... ! New Samick Royale... A Mesa Theile Cab w/ EV 200 W ..
Oh yeah.. one of those Digitech modeling thingees... There I've said it!
Now I need another 12 -15 Step Program... UGH!!!
Fess-up!
=) Danny
Ant Moore
2004-09-30 21:18:05 UTC
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Ummmm... I tried to be good.... but failed.

A re-issue TS-808, and an Ibanez J-Custom 8570 came my way last month.
(Now I must offload something to make space... possibly the grotty Champ 12
that I never use any more...)


Cheers!

Ant. (Tamworth, UK)
--
"Make me one with everything." The Dalai Lama at a hot dog stand.
GregD/OASYSCO
2004-09-30 12:11:01 UTC
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Post by Dan
OK... fess-up!
Who's given into a GAS attack say in the last 30 days?
I'll jump in... ! New Samick Royale... A Mesa Theile Cab w/ EV 200 W ..
Oh yeah.. one of those Digitech modeling thingees... There I've said it!
Now I need another 12 -15 Step Program... UGH!!!
Fess-up!
=) Danny
This is a first! I've not bought anything since my vintage Polytone amp -
months back, but I did sell my Deluxe Reverb, if that counts --- sorta like
reverse GAS :)-

Greg
pataud
2004-09-30 23:55:47 UTC
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Post by GregD/OASYSCO
Post by Dan
OK... fess-up!
Who's given into a GAS attack say in the last 30 days?
I'll jump in... ! New Samick Royale... A Mesa Theile Cab w/ EV 200 W ..
Oh yeah.. one of those Digitech modeling thingees... There I've said it!
Now I need another 12 -15 Step Program... UGH!!!
Fess-up!
=) Danny
This is a first! I've not bought anything since my vintage Polytone amp -
months back, but I did sell my Deluxe Reverb, if that counts --- sorta like
reverse GAS :)-
Greg
SAG? ;)
Chrome!Hat
2004-09-30 12:29:18 UTC
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Ibanez AS-120. Fantastic guitar. Set it up with half-rounds. Sweet and
modern jazz sound. Six other guitars have stayed in their cases since.

Personal opinion and all, but my theory on the Artstars is that Ibanez
discontinued the line because market-weasels figured they were too good for
the price. They introduced the less expensive Artcores - which are fine
guitars but not quite on par with the Artstars. They did a makeover on the
dressier AS-200 and introduced the JSM line at mucho dolares more.

Anyhoo, procured for $355 on eBay. I played one head-to-head against a new
ES-335 before I bought this one. The Gibby was good. The Ibanez was better.

No more GAS for now.

Rick
Dan
2004-09-30 19:20:36 UTC
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Yeah Right! =)
Post by Chrome!Hat
Ibanez AS-120. Fantastic guitar. Set it up with half-rounds. Sweet and
modern jazz sound. Six other guitars have stayed in their cases since.
Personal opinion and all, but my theory on the Artstars is that Ibanez
discontinued the line because market-weasels figured they were too good for
the price. They introduced the less expensive Artcores - which are fine
guitars but not quite on par with the Artstars. They did a makeover on the
dressier AS-200 and introduced the JSM line at mucho dolares more.
Anyhoo, procured for $355 on eBay. I played one head-to-head against a new
ES-335 before I bought this one. The Gibby was good. The Ibanez was better.
No more GAS for now.
Rick
Scott McKnight
2004-09-30 12:37:08 UTC
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Post by Dan
OK... fess-up!
Who's given into a GAS attack say in the last 30 days?
I'll jump in... ! New Samick Royale... A Mesa Theile Cab w/ EV 200 W ..
Oh yeah.. one of those Digitech modeling thingees... There I've said it!
Now I need another 12 -15 Step Program... UGH!!!
Fess-up!
=) Danny
See posts to AGA about the Gibson GA-8T Discoverer amp. That was
largely due to a GAS attack.

-Scott
Bill Ribas
2004-09-30 13:00:08 UTC
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just some minor gas here - bought a bunch of cd's (country western swing),
started playing the pedal steel, learned a few solos, and can feel a GAS
bubble building. . .
Post by Dan
OK... fess-up!
Who's given into a GAS attack say in the last 30 days?
I'll jump in... ! New Samick Royale... A Mesa Theile Cab w/ EV 200 W ..
Oh yeah.. one of those Digitech modeling thingees... There I've said it!
Now I need another 12 -15 Step Program... UGH!!!
Fess-up!
=) Danny
Alan
2004-09-30 14:18:07 UTC
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Bill--speaking of such, I got to hear some Junior Brown for the first
time and could NOT believe that guy--just amazing talent.

alan
Bill Ribas
2004-09-30 15:00:45 UTC
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if you get chance, see him live, even a more mind blowing experience. i've
seen him twice, and he plays his guit-steel through two fender twins, and it
is incredible. i have most of his discs as well, so if you'd like a clip or
two, let me know.
Post by Alan
Bill--speaking of such, I got to hear some Junior Brown for the first
time and could NOT believe that guy--just amazing talent.
alan
Mario Gamboa
2004-09-30 21:01:16 UTC
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Post by Alan
Bill--speaking of such, I got to hear some Junior Brown for the first
time and could NOT believe that guy--just amazing talent.
alan
Also check out Robert Randolph.

Mario Gamboa
Arlington, VA
Rick Wilson
2004-09-30 16:26:24 UTC
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Post by Bill Ribas
just some minor gas here - bought a bunch of cd's (country western swing),
started playing the pedal steel, learned a few solos, and can feel a GAS
bubble building. . .
Post by Dan
OK... fess-up!
Who's given into a GAS attack say in the last 30 days?
I'll jump in... ! New Samick Royale... A Mesa Theile Cab w/ EV 200 W ..
Oh yeah.. one of those Digitech modeling thingees... There I've said it!
Now I need another 12 -15 Step Program... UGH!!!
Fess-up!
=) Danny
I sort of ordered a new guitar (Schecter Robert Smith Signature), but it
won't even be out of production until late December, early January.
Other than that, I've only been picking up CDs as of late.

Rick
thom_j
2004-09-30 13:49:11 UTC
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I'm still in "denial",, so I ain't tellin'!! 8^)~~~'..
enigma tee'..
Paul Sanwald
2004-09-30 14:57:04 UTC
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later this week I am probably going to order the first guitar I've
bought in 7 years, a godin fretless.

--paul
Chrome!Hat
2004-09-30 15:32:03 UTC
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The glissentar??

If so, that is such a cool guitar! I played it and loved it. I just couldn't
justify the expense for such a niche product. Maybe someday...

Rick
Post by Paul Sanwald
later this week I am probably going to order the first guitar I've
bought in 7 years, a godin fretless.
--paul
Kurt Shapiro
2004-09-30 16:24:00 UTC
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Man, I've been jonesing bad for a fretless guitar.
Post by Paul Sanwald
later this week I am probably going to order the first guitar I've
bought in 7 years, a godin fretless.
--paul
GregD/OASYSCO
2004-09-30 16:47:44 UTC
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Post by Kurt Shapiro
Man, I've been jonesing bad for a fretless guitar.
That's what I need! Considering how much of a hard itme I have with
intonation and playing the right notes on a fretted gutiar, I need a
fretless one <g>

Greg
Post by Kurt Shapiro
Post by Paul Sanwald
later this week I am probably going to order the first guitar I've
bought in 7 years, a godin fretless.
--paul
Kurt Shapiro
2004-10-02 23:03:53 UTC
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I'm hoping playing a fretless will help me.
Post by GregD/OASYSCO
Post by Kurt Shapiro
Man, I've been jonesing bad for a fretless guitar.
That's what I need! Considering how much of a hard itme I have with
intonation and playing the right notes on a fretted gutiar, I need a
fretless one <g>
Greg
Ra
2004-09-30 17:58:04 UTC
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Post by Kurt Shapiro
Man, I've been jonesing bad for a fretless guitar.
I got one of those 6 string fretless basses a while back.
They're a real trip.
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Kurt Shapiro
2004-10-03 07:06:13 UTC
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A friend of mine got a 4 string fretless from Rondo. I played it a few
times. It sounds fantastic and looks great too. At $240 it was the Deal of
the Century.
Post by Ra
Post by Kurt Shapiro
Man, I've been jonesing bad for a fretless guitar.
I got one of those 6 string fretless basses a while back.
They're a real trip.
http://www.rondomusic.bigstep.com/BassGuitars/hxb406natq1.jpg
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thom_j
2004-10-03 19:09:51 UTC
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Post by Kurt Shapiro
A friend of mine got a 4 string fretless from Rondo. I played it a few
times. It sounds fantastic and looks great too. At $240 it was the Deal of
the Century.
The Kurt'ster is nice guy too but of course what do expect
from another Jersey'ite...eh? 8^)'.. He aims to please, even
if these "geetars" are more of the Asian low'end persuasion..
cheers tee'...
Mark Smart
2004-09-30 15:47:21 UTC
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Post by Dan
OK... fess-up!
Who's given into a GAS attack say in the last 30 days?
I'll jump in... ! New Samick Royale... A Mesa Theile Cab w/ EV 200 W ..
Oh yeah.. one of those Digitech modeling thingees... There I've said it!
Now I need another 12 -15 Step Program... UGH!!!
Fess-up!
=) Danny
Three Fender White/Gold Lace Sensors and custom pickguard from
pickguardian.com for my reissue Fender Bass VI. Sounds great, way less
hum. New plain white pickguard looks a lot better than the ugly
tortoiseshell pickguard it came with.

Gibson Echoplex Digital Pro Plus w/footpedal. Having immense fun with
this thing!! Pedalboard cases from Angstrom (on Ebay) to contain the
newly-expanded jazz pedalboard setup.

Electronic parts to try to add synch out to Boss RC-20 Loop Station.
Matthias Grob (inventor of the Echoplex) designed an RC-20
modification to allow an Echoplex to synch to the RC-20. I'm trying to
make a slightly different version of this that will only send a signal
when the RC-20 is actually playing sound. I haven't gotten it to work
yet.

Mark Smart
www.marksmart.net
Dan
2004-09-30 19:22:16 UTC
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Mark,

U da Man!
Post by Mark Smart
Post by Dan
OK... fess-up!
Who's given into a GAS attack say in the last 30 days?
I'll jump in... ! New Samick Royale... A Mesa Theile Cab w/ EV 200 W ..
Oh yeah.. one of those Digitech modeling thingees... There I've said it!
Now I need another 12 -15 Step Program... UGH!!!
Fess-up!
=) Danny
Three Fender White/Gold Lace Sensors and custom pickguard from
pickguardian.com for my reissue Fender Bass VI. Sounds great, way less
hum. New plain white pickguard looks a lot better than the ugly
tortoiseshell pickguard it came with.
Gibson Echoplex Digital Pro Plus w/footpedal. Having immense fun with
this thing!! Pedalboard cases from Angstrom (on Ebay) to contain the
newly-expanded jazz pedalboard setup.
Electronic parts to try to add synch out to Boss RC-20 Loop Station.
Matthias Grob (inventor of the Echoplex) designed an RC-20
modification to allow an Echoplex to synch to the RC-20. I'm trying to
make a slightly different version of this that will only send a signal
when the RC-20 is actually playing sound. I haven't gotten it to work
yet.
Mark Smart
www.marksmart.net
icarusi
2004-10-02 22:31:20 UTC
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Post by Mark Smart
Electronic parts to try to add synch out to Boss RC-20 Loop Station.
Matthias Grob (inventor of the Echoplex) designed an RC-20
modification to allow an Echoplex to synch to the RC-20. I'm trying to
make a slightly different version of this that will only send a signal
when the RC-20 is actually playing sound. I haven't gotten it to work
yet.
Mark Smart
www.marksmart.net
I have a RedSound Micro-Sync which outputs a midi clock derived from an
audio input signal. It was developed for DJs so they could sync a sequencer
or synth to an audio CD or vinyl, providing there was a regular drum beat
present. It works equally well on the drum sound of the RC20 (or a track
played in from the radio). I'm looking for a reasonably priced mid file
player, but may opt for a notebook PC to play out midi and audio sequences.
So far I've just used it to sync the RC20 (and radio) with a DR5 drum
machine.

Icarusi
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Mark Smart
2004-10-04 15:51:37 UTC
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Post by icarusi
I have a RedSound Micro-Sync which outputs a midi clock derived from an
audio input signal. It was developed for DJs so they could sync a sequencer
or synth to an audio CD or vinyl, providing there was a regular drum beat
present. It works equally well on the drum sound of the RC20 (or a track
played in from the radio). I'm looking for a reasonably priced mid file
player, but may opt for a notebook PC to play out midi and audio sequences.
So far I've just used it to sync the RC20 (and radio) with a DR5 drum
machine.
Icarusi
Cool, thanks for the suggestion. I finally got my RC-20 circuit to
work, but it didn't help because of the way the synch works on the
Echoplex. Apparently it only pays attention to the first two synch
pulses it receives when recording, then after that uses its internal
timing and ignores further synch pulses. This has the result of
causing your loop to get farther and farther off if you try to record
something long like a 32-bar form. Maybe I can avoid that problem if I
use the MIDI synch instead of the BeatSync jack.

Mark Smart
www.marksmart.net
icarusi
2004-10-04 23:25:23 UTC
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Mark Smart <***@InsightBB.com> wrote in message news:***@posting.google.com...

This has the result of
Post by Mark Smart
causing your loop to get farther and farther off if you try to record
something long like a 32-bar form. Maybe I can avoid that problem if I
use the MIDI synch instead of the BeatSync jack.
You could try feeding it a midi clock signal from a sequencer or drum
machine, which outputs midi clock, to check how well it syncs to that. I
just checked the spec on my Yamaha UD Stomp, but it doesn't send or receive
midi clock, so no better options there for this purpose.

Icarusi
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Kurt Shapiro
2004-09-30 16:25:16 UTC
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Has anyone else hear tried to sneak the gear into the guitar room when the
wife was out of the house?
Post by Dan
OK... fess-up!
Who's given into a GAS attack say in the last 30 days?
I'll jump in... ! New Samick Royale... A Mesa Theile Cab w/ EV 200 W ..
Oh yeah.. one of those Digitech modeling thingees... There I've said it!
Now I need another 12 -15 Step Program... UGH!!!
Fess-up!
=) Danny
thom_j
2004-09-30 16:29:40 UTC
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Post by Kurt Shapiro
Has anyone else hear tried to sneak the gear into the guitar room when the
wife was out of the house?
Of course! I've been divorced for 24years, so it's easy! 8^)'..
hip & still swing'swangin' tee'...
Mark Guest
2004-09-30 16:41:23 UTC
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Post by Kurt Shapiro
Has anyone else hear tried to sneak the gear into the guitar room when the
wife was out of the house?
Nope. My wife *insisted* that I buy my L-5, and blocked the sale of a 1956
ES-135. I have to chide her to invest in her art (shamless plug /on) some of
which can be seen at www.DGuest.com (plug /off).

Mark Guest
Mark at MarkGuest.net
www.MarkGuest.net
Kurt Shapiro
2004-09-30 16:43:11 UTC
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My wife's been supporting my L-5 GAS lately, but something tells me it'll
come back to haunt me if I actually buy one.
Post by Mark Guest
Post by Kurt Shapiro
Has anyone else hear tried to sneak the gear into the guitar room when the
wife was out of the house?
Nope. My wife *insisted* that I buy my L-5, and blocked the sale of a 1956
ES-135. I have to chide her to invest in her art (shamless plug /on) some of
which can be seen at www.DGuest.com (plug /off).
Mark Guest
Mark at MarkGuest.net
www.MarkGuest.net
Mark Guest
2004-09-30 18:19:31 UTC
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My L-5 seriously cut back on my GAS attacks. I can pass likely-looking music
stores without (well, almost without) a second thought. I actually believe
that I own too many guitars. I plan to sell some soon. Keep your eyes peeled
for my FS notice re: Blonde Washburn Orleans, '77 Ibanez-made Howard
Roberts, fretless Kubicki bass, handmade acoustic bass, probably more. Let's
keep that GAS bubbling!

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Mark Guest
Mark at MarkGuest.net
www.MarkGuest.net
Post by Kurt Shapiro
My wife's been supporting my L-5 GAS lately, but something tells me it'll
come back to haunt me if I actually buy one.
in
Post by Mark Guest
Post by Kurt Shapiro
Has anyone else hear tried to sneak the gear into the guitar room when
the
Post by Mark Guest
Post by Kurt Shapiro
wife was out of the house?
Nope. My wife *insisted* that I buy my L-5, and blocked the sale of a 1956
ES-135. I have to chide her to invest in her art (shamless plug /on)
some
Post by Kurt Shapiro
of
Post by Mark Guest
which can be seen at www.DGuest.com (plug /off).
Mark Guest
Mark at MarkGuest.net
www.MarkGuest.net
thomas
2004-10-01 00:31:45 UTC
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Post by Kurt Shapiro
My wife's been supporting my L-5 GAS lately, but something tells me it'll
come back to haunt me if I actually buy one.
Trust your instincts, Luke. The Force remembers every little
thing you've ever done, ever since The Force has known you.
Tom Walls
2004-09-30 17:10:15 UTC
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Post by Mark Guest
I have to chide her to invest in her art (shamless plug /on) some of
which can be seen at www.DGuest.com (plug /off).
Mark Guest
Mark at MarkGuest.net
www.MarkGuest.net
Nice stuff, Mark! ["flaming bitch" tee hee hee...]
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Tom Walls
the guy at the Temple of Zeus
Mark Guest
2004-09-30 18:24:19 UTC
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Post by Tom Walls
Nice stuff, Mark! ["flaming bitch" tee hee hee...]
Thanks, Tom. My wife made flaming bitch #1 for me. She (my wife) is very
talented, generous, *and* happily married. I find it very satisfying to have
a flaming bitch light my infrequent cigars.

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Mark at MarkGuest.net
www.MarkGuest.net
D.Onstenk
2004-09-30 18:31:19 UTC
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Why did you let your wife come between us Mark? It could have been so
beautiful ...

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Post by Mark Guest
My wife *insisted* that I buy my L-5, and blocked the sale of a 1956
ES-135.
Mark Guest
2004-09-30 18:58:27 UTC
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Post by D.Onstenk
Why did you let your wife come between us Mark? It could have been so
beautiful ...
'Appiness is always close at hand. Ah... I'm just ####in' around with you,
Mr. O. I may be ready to let it go by the time we head across the pond. I'm
loving my
L-50 with it's recently installed Lawrence floating PU.

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Mark Guest
Mark at MarkGuest.net
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Dan
2004-09-30 19:23:44 UTC
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U, sir, married well!
Post by Mark Guest
Post by Kurt Shapiro
Has anyone else hear tried to sneak the gear into the guitar room when the
wife was out of the house?
Nope. My wife *insisted* that I buy my L-5, and blocked the sale of a 1956
ES-135. I have to chide her to invest in her art (shamless plug /on) some of
which can be seen at www.DGuest.com (plug /off).
Mark Guest
Mark at MarkGuest.net
www.MarkGuest.net
Mark Guest
2004-09-30 19:53:03 UTC
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Agreed.

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Mark Guest
Mark at MarkGuest.net
www.MarkGuest.net
Post by Dan
U, sir, married well!
in
Post by Mark Guest
Post by Kurt Shapiro
Has anyone else hear tried to sneak the gear into the guitar room when
the
Post by Mark Guest
Post by Kurt Shapiro
wife was out of the house?
Nope. My wife *insisted* that I buy my L-5, and blocked the sale of a 1956
ES-135. I have to chide her to invest in her art (shamless plug /on)
some
Post by Dan
of
Post by Mark Guest
which can be seen at www.DGuest.com (plug /off).
Mark Guest
Mark at MarkGuest.net
www.MarkGuest.net
Pete Kerezman
2004-09-30 16:53:48 UTC
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On Thu, 30 Sep 2004 09:25:16 -0700, "Kurt Shapiro"
Post by Kurt Shapiro
Has anyone else hear tried to sneak the gear into the guitar room when the
wife was out of the house?
For some reason I find it disturbing that some people feel that they
have to do this. My wife is completely supportive of everything I do,
even the R/C model planes, and I'm the same way about her hobbies and
interests.

Texas Pete
Gerry
2004-09-30 17:36:50 UTC
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Post by Pete Kerezman
On Thu, 30 Sep 2004 09:25:16 -0700, "Kurt Shapiro"
Post by Kurt Shapiro
Has anyone else hear tried to sneak the gear into the guitar room when the
wife was out of the house?
For some reason I find it disturbing that some people feel that they
have to do this. My wife is completely supportive of everything I do,
even the R/C model planes, and I'm the same way about her hobbies and
interests.
Do you have kids? And nice furniture?

i think the real situation is that some of us boys-grown-large would
rather by a third guitar than have furniture that doesn't look like
Early Goodwill Colonial, or kids wearing high-top pants. It's not like
that's a real decision, but a default after the purchase. If if you
don't have somebody watching the details it can happen...

That's said from a guy whose wife is totally supportive, and we have no
kids and tolerable furniture.
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-- Jerry Heaster
Kurt Shapiro
2004-10-02 23:06:12 UTC
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Is that so wrong? I fail to see a problem.
Post by Gerry
i think the real situation is that some of us boys-grown-large would
rather by a third guitar than have furniture that doesn't look like
Early Goodwill Colonial, or kids wearing high-top pants. It's not like
that's a real decision, but a default after the purchase. If if you
don't have somebody watching the details it can happen...
GregD/OASYSCO
2004-09-30 18:15:01 UTC
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Post by Pete Kerezman
On Thu, 30 Sep 2004 09:25:16 -0700, "Kurt Shapiro"
Post by Kurt Shapiro
Has anyone else hear tried to sneak the gear into the guitar room when
the wife was out of the house?
For some reason I find it disturbing that some people feel that they
have to do this. My wife is completely supportive of everything I do,
even the R/C model planes, and I'm the same way about her hobbies and
interests.
Texas Pete
Pete, we're talkin' about real people here, not folks who have lots of
disposable income :)-

Greg
Pete Kerezman
2004-09-30 21:06:41 UTC
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Post by GregD/OASYSCO
Post by Pete Kerezman
Post by Kurt Shapiro
Has anyone else hear tried to sneak the gear into the guitar room when
the wife was out of the house?
For some reason I find it disturbing that some people feel that they
have to do this. My wife is completely supportive of everything I do,
even the R/C model planes, and I'm the same way about her hobbies and
interests.
Texas Pete
Pete, we're talkin' about real people here, not folks who have lots of
disposable income :)-
You must be thinking of some other Pete. I have a bicycle shop, not
quite a "get rich quick" operation to put it mildly. I mostly dispose
of what passes for my income at the local supermarket. If it wasn't
for cheap guitars I wouldn't have no guitars at all. It's just blind
luck that I also have no talent.

Texas Pete
D.Onstenk
2004-09-30 18:29:33 UTC
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Yeah Pete, but you are an oil Baron, right?

#####
Post by Pete Kerezman
On Thu, 30 Sep 2004 09:25:16 -0700, "Kurt Shapiro"
Post by Kurt Shapiro
Has anyone else hear tried to sneak the gear into the guitar room when the
wife was out of the house?
For some reason I find it disturbing that some people feel that they
have to do this. My wife is completely supportive of everything I do,
even the R/C model planes, and I'm the same way about her hobbies and
interests.
Texas Pete
Dan
2004-09-30 19:23:06 UTC
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SEE POST to Atari! end of quote!
Post by Kurt Shapiro
Has anyone else hear tried to sneak the gear into the guitar room when the
wife was out of the house?
Post by Dan
OK... fess-up!
Who's given into a GAS attack say in the last 30 days?
I'll jump in... ! New Samick Royale... A Mesa Theile Cab w/ EV 200 W ..
Oh yeah.. one of those Digitech modeling thingees... There I've said it!
Now I need another 12 -15 Step Program... UGH!!!
Fess-up!
=) Danny
l***@aol.com
2004-10-02 04:10:53 UTC
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Post by Kurt Shapiro
Has anyone else hear tried to sneak the gear into the guitar room when the
wife was out of the house?
<grin>This is a VERY bad & wimpy thing to do. A woman will never
respect a man who is a sneak. Usually, this temptation is strongest
when one buys the 4th guitar or amp, since fairly good "style of
music" excuses can be made for the first 3. She may even be bragging
to her friends about those - something like: "Did I tell you, Fred
got a beautiful new guitar to play even PRETTIER music for me...it
doesn't even have to plug in like his others do."

What one must do instead, is to see this crucial next piece as an
important opportunity rather than fear. Just bring it right into the
kitchen & set it (and yourself) down quietly. Doesn't matter whether
it's a plastic uke, a D'Aquisto, or a Dumble.

All hell will break loose, and every sin you ever committed since your
first meeting will be perfectly recounted in complete detail. She
will remind you that her car is 14 years old & that she's still
wearing the same clothes she had in high school. Her mother's
original advice to marry someone else may crop up, as may the name of
an aggressive domestic law firm. However, if you just stay quiet &
don't fight back, eventually she will say something like: "You don't
care about ME - you only care about ALL THOSE GUITARS (amps,
whatever)!!!"

You have just won. Your GAS goodies are no longer 4 guitars, or 6
amps - but are now a SINGLE COLLECTIVE ENTITY: "ALL THOSE." So since
it no longer matters how many you have, you are now free to amass as
many as you like. All you need now is one, simple thing:

An expandable guitar rack and amp shelf.

Put all your goodies on them, but be sure to leave 1 or 2 empty
spaces. As you acquire more, just expand it - but always leave the
same empty spaces in relation to them. Your wife will no longer take
much interest in the gear - but she will ALWAYS notice the empty
spaces! This works very well.

One day your sweetheart will say something to you like: "You know,
Honey, I must be slowing down with age; it used to take me 10 minutes
to dust your guitars & amps, and now it takes me almost an hour!" :-)
Kurt Shapiro
2004-10-02 23:11:49 UTC
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Excellent strategies!
Post by l***@aol.com
Post by Kurt Shapiro
Has anyone else hear tried to sneak the gear into the guitar room when the
wife was out of the house?
<grin>This is a VERY bad & wimpy thing to do. A woman will never
respect a man who is a sneak. Usually, this temptation is strongest
when one buys the 4th guitar or amp, since fairly good "style of
music" excuses can be made for the first 3. She may even be bragging
to her friends about those - something like: "Did I tell you, Fred
got a beautiful new guitar to play even PRETTIER music for me...it
doesn't even have to plug in like his others do."
What one must do instead, is to see this crucial next piece as an
important opportunity rather than fear. Just bring it right into the
kitchen & set it (and yourself) down quietly. Doesn't matter whether
it's a plastic uke, a D'Aquisto, or a Dumble.
All hell will break loose, and every sin you ever committed since your
first meeting will be perfectly recounted in complete detail. She
will remind you that her car is 14 years old & that she's still
wearing the same clothes she had in high school. Her mother's
original advice to marry someone else may crop up, as may the name of
an aggressive domestic law firm. However, if you just stay quiet &
don't fight back, eventually she will say something like: "You don't
care about ME - you only care about ALL THOSE GUITARS (amps,
whatever)!!!"
You have just won. Your GAS goodies are no longer 4 guitars, or 6
amps - but are now a SINGLE COLLECTIVE ENTITY: "ALL THOSE." So since
it no longer matters how many you have, you are now free to amass as
An expandable guitar rack and amp shelf.
Put all your goodies on them, but be sure to leave 1 or 2 empty
spaces. As you acquire more, just expand it - but always leave the
same empty spaces in relation to them. Your wife will no longer take
much interest in the gear - but she will ALWAYS notice the empty
spaces! This works very well.
One day your sweetheart will say something to you like: "You know,
Honey, I must be slowing down with age; it used to take me 10 minutes
to dust your guitars & amps, and now it takes me almost an hour!" :-)
Boyd Williamson
2004-10-05 07:54:06 UTC
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Post by Kurt Shapiro
Excellent strategies!
Post by l***@aol.com
Post by Kurt Shapiro
Has anyone else hear tried to sneak the gear into the guitar room when
the
Post by l***@aol.com
Post by Kurt Shapiro
wife was out of the house?
<grin>This is a VERY bad & wimpy thing to do. A woman will never
respect a man who is a sneak. Usually, this temptation is strongest
when one buys the 4th guitar or amp, since fairly good "style of
music" excuses can be made for the first 3. She may even be bragging
to her friends about those - something like: "Did I tell you, Fred
got a beautiful new guitar to play even PRETTIER music for me...it
doesn't even have to plug in like his others do."
What one must do instead, is to see this crucial next piece as an
important opportunity rather than fear. Just bring it right into the
kitchen & set it (and yourself) down quietly. Doesn't matter whether
it's a plastic uke, a D'Aquisto, or a Dumble.
All hell will break loose, and every sin you ever committed since your
first meeting will be perfectly recounted in complete detail. She
will remind you that her car is 14 years old & that she's still
wearing the same clothes she had in high school. Her mother's
original advice to marry someone else may crop up, as may the name of
an aggressive domestic law firm. However, if you just stay quiet &
don't fight back, eventually she will say something like: "You don't
care about ME - you only care about ALL THOSE GUITARS (amps,
whatever)!!!"
You have just won. Your GAS goodies are no longer 4 guitars, or 6
amps - but are now a SINGLE COLLECTIVE ENTITY: "ALL THOSE." So since
it no longer matters how many you have, you are now free to amass as
An expandable guitar rack and amp shelf.
Put all your goodies on them, but be sure to leave 1 or 2 empty
spaces. As you acquire more, just expand it - but always leave the
same empty spaces in relation to them. Your wife will no longer take
much interest in the gear - but she will ALWAYS notice the empty
spaces! This works very well.
One day your sweetheart will say something to you like: "You know,
Honey, I must be slowing down with age; it used to take me 10 minutes
to dust your guitars & amps, and now it takes me almost an hour!" :-)
Well, as a 2X loser myself, I wouldn't try to advise anyone on marriage.

But I sure as hell encourage anyone on the advancement of the craft!

Genuinely fascinated...

Zoid
Lord Valve
2004-09-30 17:28:26 UTC
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Post by Dan
OK... fess-up!
Who's given into a GAS attack say in the last 30 days?
I'll jump in... ! New Samick Royale... A Mesa Theile Cab w/ EV 200 W ..
Oh yeah.. one of those Digitech modeling thingees... There I've said it!
Now I need another 12 -15 Step Program... UGH!!!
Fess-up!
=) Danny
Yeah.

I picked up the Behringer line. Like most dedicated
junkies, I decided to become a dealer a long time
ago.

I mean - why fight it? ;-)

Any of you guys need a Behringer piece, let me know.
I don't know if I can beat GC (probably not, on the cheaper
stuff, but possibly on the upper end of the line) but I *can*
tell you how to operate it after you buy it. ;-)

I ordered one of the smallest guitar amps - the little
vintage-looking thing with brown tolex. I want to see
how the cheapie looks inside before I buy any of the
more expensive ones.

I also laid in a supply of all the tube-based rackmount
processors (Tube Composer, Tube Ultragain, Tube
Ultrafex, Tube Ultra-Q, etc.) and when I get time, I'll
take 'em apart, check the guts, and give 'em a listen.
Keep your eyeballs peeled for the reviews. There are
also a couple of little "table-top" tube mike preamps,
one with digital modeling, which I'll be tasting. Both
of 'em are less than a C-note.

Some of the small mixers now feature "smart"
power supplies - internal, *not* wall-warts or
line-lumps - which automatically adjust to any
supply voltage/freq anywhere in the world.
This means that if you have a gig in a country
with different juice than your own, all you need
to do is put the right plug for the region on the
end of the line cord. Pretty slick! ;-)

Stay tuned...

Lord Valve
Tone Chaperone

VISIT MY WEBSITE: http://www.nebsnow.com/LordValve
I specialize in top quality HAND SELECTED NOS and
current-production vacuum tubes for guitar and
bass amps. Good prices, fast service.
QSC amps, RNC compressors, lots of other good stuff!

Partial Client List: * Derek Trucks/Allman Brothers Band *
* Meatloaf * Catherine Wheel * Yo La Tengo * Let's Go Bowling *
* Rob Hyckys (guitarist for Commander Cody) * Waky Amps *
* Fleetwood Mac * Tyrin Benoit * Eugene Fodor * Dale Bruning *
* Komet Amplification * Dr. Z * Maven Peal * Blockhead Amps *
* Jim Kelley * Balls Amplification * Roccaforte Amplifiers *
* Gerhart Amplification * Aiken Amplification * The Right Half of AGA *
* Lots More *

NBS Electronics, 230 South Broadway, Denver, CO 80209-1510
Phone orders/tech support after 1:30 PM Denver time at 303-778-1156

- Our 23rd Year -

VISA - MASTERCARD - PAYPAL

"I'm not an asshole, but I *play* one on the Internet." - Lord Valve
Sweepy
2004-09-30 18:31:22 UTC
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Still looking for a maple neck strat that is as good as the old 80's Tokai I
had stolen :-( having no luck at all and I work in a music shop , damned
frustrating ...and the new US Fenders are piss poor these days, not keen on
the Tyler headstock and the Andersons just dont have the vibe
Kurt Shapiro
2004-10-02 23:10:11 UTC
Permalink
I've heard rumors that some of these tube Behringers thingies can be vastly
improved by replacing the tube(s).

When you've obtained some results from this experimenting, I hope you will
give us a full report, Sir Valve.
Post by Lord Valve
I picked up the Behringer line. Like most dedicated
junkies, I decided to become a dealer a long time
ago.
I mean - why fight it? ;-)
Any of you guys need a Behringer piece, let me know.
I don't know if I can beat GC (probably not, on the cheaper
stuff, but possibly on the upper end of the line) but I *can*
tell you how to operate it after you buy it. ;-)
I ordered one of the smallest guitar amps - the little
vintage-looking thing with brown tolex. I want to see
how the cheapie looks inside before I buy any of the
more expensive ones.
I also laid in a supply of all the tube-based rackmount
processors (Tube Composer, Tube Ultragain, Tube
Ultrafex, Tube Ultra-Q, etc.) and when I get time, I'll
take 'em apart, check the guts, and give 'em a listen.
Keep your eyeballs peeled for the reviews. There are
also a couple of little "table-top" tube mike preamps,
one with digital modeling, which I'll be tasting. Both
of 'em are less than a C-note.
Some of the small mixers now feature "smart"
power supplies - internal, *not* wall-warts or
line-lumps - which automatically adjust to any
supply voltage/freq anywhere in the world.
This means that if you have a gig in a country
with different juice than your own, all you need
to do is put the right plug for the region on the
end of the line cord. Pretty slick! ;-)
Stay tuned...
Lord Valve
Tone Chaperone
VISIT MY WEBSITE: http://www.nebsnow.com/LordValve
I specialize in top quality HAND SELECTED NOS and
current-production vacuum tubes for guitar and
bass amps. Good prices, fast service.
QSC amps, RNC compressors, lots of other good stuff!
Partial Client List: * Derek Trucks/Allman Brothers Band *
* Meatloaf * Catherine Wheel * Yo La Tengo * Let's Go Bowling *
* Rob Hyckys (guitarist for Commander Cody) * Waky Amps *
* Fleetwood Mac * Tyrin Benoit * Eugene Fodor * Dale Bruning *
* Komet Amplification * Dr. Z * Maven Peal * Blockhead Amps *
* Jim Kelley * Balls Amplification * Roccaforte Amplifiers *
* Gerhart Amplification * Aiken Amplification * The Right Half of AGA *
* Lots More *
NBS Electronics, 230 South Broadway, Denver, CO 80209-1510
Phone orders/tech support after 1:30 PM Denver time at 303-778-1156
- Our 23rd Year -
VISA - MASTERCARD - PAYPAL
"I'm not an asshole, but I *play* one on the Internet." - Lord Valve
Fearless Freep
2004-10-03 00:52:41 UTC
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I bought a second late 70s BC Rich 10 string. I had the extra 4 off on my
old one for a while, and realized that it was my favorite 6 stringer just
like that. But I couldn't be without a 10, so now I can have both, all set
up right for the appropriate neck tension.

It was an extravagance, for sure, but you gotta treat yourself right, or
what's the use?

Freep
D.Onstenk
2004-09-30 18:33:37 UTC
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I lusted after Mark Guest's ES 135.

Now I am lusting again for a late 1940s/early 1950s ES 175.

#####
Post by Dan
OK... fess-up!
Who's given into a GAS attack say in the last 30 days?
I'll jump in... ! New Samick Royale... A Mesa Theile Cab w/ EV 200 W ..
Oh yeah.. one of those Digitech modeling thingees... There I've said it!
Now I need another 12 -15 Step Program... UGH!!!
Fess-up!
=) Danny
Mark Guest
2004-09-30 19:02:42 UTC
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Hi ####,

I'll pitch my earlier suggestion of having a cutaway put into your 125. I
did it to my c. 1932 L-50 with no qualms because it was a beater when I
bought it. The chance of 125's becoming historically significant collectors'
items is not great. But the vintage police will still hate you.

--
Mark Guest
Mark at MarkGuest.net
www.MarkGuest.net
Post by D.Onstenk
I lusted after Mark Guest's ES 135.
Now I am lusting again for a late 1940s/early 1950s ES 175.
#####
Post by Dan
OK... fess-up!
Who's given into a GAS attack say in the last 30 days?
I'll jump in... ! New Samick Royale... A Mesa Theile Cab w/ EV 200 W ..
Oh yeah.. one of those Digitech modeling thingees... There I've said it!
Now I need another 12 -15 Step Program... UGH!!!
Fess-up!
=) Danny
frankly
2004-09-30 21:31:12 UTC
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i dont know if you can really call it GAS but i just got a 1978 gibson "the
paul' from ebay. excellent guitar for only $415 ;p
Post by Dan
OK... fess-up!
Who's given into a GAS attack say in the last 30 days?
I'll jump in... ! New Samick Royale... A Mesa Theile Cab w/ EV 200 W ..
Oh yeah.. one of those Digitech modeling thingees... There I've said it!
Now I need another 12 -15 Step Program... UGH!!!
Fess-up!
=) Danny
FRETBUZZ
2004-09-30 22:59:18 UTC
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Post by Dan
OK... fess-up!
Who's given into a GAS attack say in the last 30 days?
I'll jump in... ! New Samick Royale... A Mesa Theile Cab w/ EV 200 W ..
Oh yeah.. one of those Digitech modeling thingees... There I've said it!
Now I need another 12 -15 Step Program... UGH!!!
Fess-up!
=) Danny
I missed out on a couple of US strats ('79, '76) and a really nice looking
Mexican strat (mid to late 80's) on Ebay, but I did manage to win a very
nice Korean Tokai Love Rock for just over ÂŁ270, mint condition and never
gigged; I'm still looking for that ideal Strat though.
Ra
2004-09-30 23:19:26 UTC
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I knew I had a sickness, the day that a guitar arrived...
and I left the box sitting there, unopened,
while I checked eBay again, to see what else was for sale.
--
best regards,
Ra
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http://surfpick.com
Lignum Vitae
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Dan
2004-10-01 00:04:53 UTC
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Me thinkest a Pilgrimage to Fullerton, California may be the only thing left
for salvaging your gassed soul! U R nau Da MAN!

Danny
Post by Ra
I knew I had a sickness, the day that a guitar arrived...
and I left the box sitting there, unopened,
while I checked eBay again, to see what else was for sale.
--
best regards,
Ra
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http://surfpick.com
Lignum Vitae
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Ra
2004-10-01 01:14:38 UTC
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Post by Dan
Me thinkest a Pilgrimage to Fullerton, California may be the only thing left
for salvaging your gassed soul! U R nau Da MAN!
Danny
What's there? Fenders?
Never had one of those.
I'm more likely to head for Bozeman or Nashville.

I emailed Gibson back when the controversy over the new 'policy'
regarding online sales was breaking.. and ended up gabbing with
an exec. We ended up designing a Mandolin pick together.

I was reaching for my book a few days later:
"Gibson Guitars - 100 Years of an American Icon",
when I realized the author had the same name as my new friend.
I looked over at my 'Gruhn's Guide to Vintage Guitars' and
saw that he also co-wrote that.
He's also the Mando player for the Nashville Mandolin Ensemble..
and evidentally quite humble.

I wouldn't mind making a pilgrimage there.
I never stray far from the Keys though.
--
best regards,
Ra
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http://surfpick.com
Lignum Vitae
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Tom Walls
2004-10-01 11:40:02 UTC
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In article <yb27d.213490$%***@bignews6.bellsouth.net>, usenet3
@freetoys.com says...
Post by Ra
I wouldn't mind making a pilgrimage there.
I never stray far from the Keys though.
My favorite fantasy is semi-retiring to the Keys. If you don't mind me
asking Ra -- with the real estate market what it is -- where do
"regular" people live? Feel free to email me.
--
Tom Walls
the guy at the Temple of Zeus
Ra
2004-10-01 14:36:47 UTC
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Post by Tom Walls
Post by Ra
I wouldn't mind making a pilgrimage there.
I never stray far from the Keys though.
My favorite fantasy is semi-retiring to the Keys. If you don't mind me
asking Ra -- with the real estate market what it is -- where do
"regular" people live? Feel free to email me.
--
Tom Walls
the guy at the Temple of Zeus
A lot of them work 2 jobs... then leave in frustration after a year or so.
Smallest 1 bedroom apts. start at about $750. Nicer ones are about $1000 a month.
A two bedroom apartmen or house rental will start at about $1500 to $2000.
It hard to find even those deals, during the 'season'. ( December to April, or so )

A lot of people live on boats.. but they're beginning to`charge even for anchoring.
I lived on boats for about 10 years.

Mobile Homes on 'non-waterfront' lots can occasionaly be found as low as $50K sometimes.
You can buy one in a 'park' cheaper.. but you'll still pay about $500 a month for rent.

Here's the local paper:
http://keynoter.com/classifieds/?loc=detail&main=REAL%20ESTATE%20RENTALS


I started working for some multimillionaires about 8 years ago.
They're always out West somewhere.
I take care of their bird Loading Image...
and piddle around their place for 2 hours a day, mostly gazing out to sea.
They're on their 3rd place. Here was their least favorite;
http://freetoys.com/starpoint2
I'd say they treated me like family.. but no one treats their family this well.

I moved to Miami, from New York, in '85,
to start a training program for a big importer.
Imports were drying up right around then.
Almost all parrots are raised domestically now.
.
I drifted down here later that year.
I started out working construction,
then tried all kinds of commercial fishing, from shrimp to sharks.

It's hard to imagine living in the real world again.
--
best regards,
Ra
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http://surfpick.com
Lignum Vitae
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Tom Walls
2004-10-01 15:53:44 UTC
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In article <BXd7d.217756$%***@bignews6.bellsouth.net>, usenet3
@freetoys.com says...
Post by Ra
Mobile Homes on 'non-waterfront' lots can occasionaly be found as low as $50K sometimes.
You can buy one in a 'park' cheaper.. but you'll still pay about $500 a month for rent.
http://keynoter.com/classifieds/?loc=detail&main=REAL%20ESTATE%20RENTALS
Looks like rentals are cheaper down there than they are here. My fantasy
involves buying a place, but they seem to start at "out of my range"
then proceed to "beyond my imagination". When you're a geezer, renting
doesn't offer enough security. I'm not a geezer, but I'm planning ahead.
Post by Ra
I started working for some multimillionaires about 8 years ago.
They're always out West somewhere.
I take care of their bird http://freetoys.com/pics/babe.jpg
and piddle around their place for 2 hours a day, mostly gazing out to sea.
They're on their 3rd place. Here was their least favorite;
http://freetoys.com/starpoint2
Damn!
Post by Ra
I'd say they treated me like family.. but no one treats their family this well.
I moved to Miami, from New York, in '85,
to start a training program for a big importer.
Imports were drying up right around then.
Almost all parrots are raised domestically now.
.
I drifted down here later that year.
I started out working construction,
then tried all kinds of commercial fishing, from shrimp to sharks.
It's hard to imagine living in the real world again.
More power to you! Thanks for the info.
--
Tom Walls
the guy at the Temple of Zeus
Ra
2004-10-01 18:44:33 UTC
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My fantasy involves buying a place, but they seem to start at "out of my range"
then proceed to "beyond my imagination". When you're a geezer, renting
doesn't offer enough security. I'm not a geezer, but I'm planning ahead.
Security?

Did you not see the 4 hurricanes that were bearing down on us
in the last 6 weeks?

Security is not a good word to use in conjunction with
owning a home down here, or many other places in Florida, it seems?

I was building a pool for this dude who had just retired from Readers Digest,
about 12 years ago. His property cost about a million or so.
Right across the street was a lot that sold for 6 thou.
If you're not on the water, you can still find deals.

However, getting a building permit is another whole can of worms.


Good luck.
--
best regards,
Ra
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http://surfpick.com
Lignum Vitae
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Tom Walls
2004-10-01 19:01:03 UTC
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In article <Tzh7d.219231$%***@bignews6.bellsouth.net>, usenet3
@freetoys.com says...
Post by Ra
My fantasy involves buying a place, but they seem to start at "out of my range"
then proceed to "beyond my imagination". When you're a geezer, renting
doesn't offer enough security. I'm not a geezer, but I'm planning ahead.
Security?
Did you not see the 4 hurricanes that were bearing down on us
in the last 6 weeks?
Security is not a good word to use in conjunction with
owning a home down here, or many other places in Florida, it seems?
I hear that, but I was referring to feeling insecure such things as long
term residency and a fixed monthly housing expense, not to mention the
tax benefits of home ownership.
--
Tom Walls
the guy at the Temple of Zeus
Ra
2004-10-01 20:00:19 UTC
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Post by Tom Walls
I hear that, but I was referring to feeling insecure such things as long
term residency and a fixed monthly housing expense, not to mention the
tax benefits of home ownership.
That's true.. but owning a home has it's own expenses and hassles.
You can afford a lot larger 'monthly expense' too,
if all your equity isn't tied up in a house.

Gives you more party money.
Screw the grandchildren!
--
best regards,
Ra
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http://surfpick.com
Lignum Vitae
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Max Leggett
2004-10-01 20:40:55 UTC
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Post by Ra
Post by Tom Walls
I hear that, but I was referring to feeling insecure such things as long
term residency and a fixed monthly housing expense, not to mention the
tax benefits of home ownership.
That's true.. but owning a home has it's own expenses and hassles.
You can afford a lot larger 'monthly expense' too,
if all your equity isn't tied up in a house.
Gives you more party money.
Screw the grandchildren!
Get a condo. You can find them at very reasonable prices. Once the
mortgage is paid off - which is the only reason I can afford nice
guitars now - is that all that's left is property taxes and
maintenance. For me that's about C$210 a month. Cheep. Forget the Keys
- they've been discovered and bought up lock stock and barrel. Check
out the Pacific northwest. Don't live downtown. I'm out in the boonies
on the banks of the Fraser River - it's freaking gorgeous - and
property is about 1/2 what it is downtown. Still all mod cons, 1/2 hr
train ride downtown. But with net shopping I can get clothes, books,
CDs, you name it, without leaving my living room. Who needs downtown?
Weather is great. I'm waxing poetic, I know, but for a guy who lived
his life in London and Toronto this is heaven.
Tom Walls
2004-10-04 13:47:58 UTC
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Post by Max Leggett
Get a condo. You can find them at very reasonable prices. Once the
mortgage is paid off - which is the only reason I can afford nice
guitars now - is that all that's left is property taxes and
maintenance. For me that's about C$210 a month. Cheep. Forget the Keys
- they've been discovered and bought up lock stock and barrel. Check
out the Pacific northwest. Don't live downtown. I'm out in the boonies
on the banks of the Fraser River - it's freaking gorgeous - and
property is about 1/2 what it is downtown. Still all mod cons, 1/2 hr
train ride downtown. But with net shopping I can get clothes, books,
CDs, you name it, without leaving my living room. Who needs downtown?
Weather is great. I'm waxing poetic, I know, but for a guy who lived
his life in London and Toronto this is heaven.
The place I've lived for the last 30 years is considered extremely
desirable, but I find the Keys really appealing. Best case scenario is
keeping the place up here and splitting time between here and the Keys.
In college I majored in "fleecing the tourists"(college of the streets)
and that's how I see myself spending my golden years. Terrific market
for that in the Keys.
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Ra
2004-10-04 14:24:01 UTC
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Post by Tom Walls
The place I've lived for the last 30 years is considered extremely
desirable, but I find the Keys really appealing. Best case scenario is
keeping the place up here and splitting time between here and the Keys.
In college I majored in "fleecing the tourists"(college of the streets)
and that's how I see myself spending my golden years. Terrific market
for that in the Keys.
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Yeah, we've only really got one road in most places.. that is about 120 miles long.
You can set up shop anywhere along it... and there is a steady stream of
people from all over the world, passing your doorstep.

The sunset celebration at Mallory Square would also be a fun spot to have
some kind of little vending stand. They sell all kinds of weird stuff there.

One good thing about the Keys..
I was looking at government weather charts..
and the water here, on the coldest day of winter,
is warmer than the water in L.A., on the hottest day of summer.
A darn site cleaner too, I would suspect?


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2004-10-04 14:52:32 UTC
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In article <u1d8d.237009$%***@bignews6.bellsouth.net>, usenet3
@freetoys.com says...
Post by Ra
Yeah, we've only really got one road in most places.. that is about 120 miles long.
You can set up shop anywhere along it... and there is a steady stream of
people from all over the world, passing your doorstep.
The sunset celebration at Mallory Square would also be a fun spot to have
some kind of little vending stand. They sell all kinds of weird stuff there.
One good thing about the Keys..
I was looking at government weather charts..
and the water here, on the coldest day of winter,
is warmer than the water in L.A., on the hottest day of summer.
A darn site cleaner too, I would suspect?
WAAAAAAAY cleaner!
Post by Ra
Good luck!
Thanks. I suspect I'll make it happen. You made a good case for
renting.
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Pete Kerezman
2004-10-01 19:53:21 UTC
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Post by Tom Walls
I hear that, but I was referring to feeling insecure such things as long
term residency and a fixed monthly housing expense, not to mention the
tax benefits of home ownership.
Suggest you give it a little time and then check out insurance
costs, in case any is still available in the Florida keys.

Texas Pete
Ra
2004-10-01 20:57:37 UTC
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Post by Pete Kerezman
Suggest you give it a little time and then check out insurance
costs, in case any is still available in the Florida keys.
Texas Pete
Another good reason to rent.

The Stingray house got the big ceiling dome messed up in
Hurricane Georges and the insurance company only offered
a fraction of the repair cost.
What they gave didn't even equal the premium they paid for one year!

A lot of insurance companies also went bankrupt, after Hurricane Andrew.
You're better off without it.
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thomas
2004-10-01 22:12:25 UTC
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Post by Ra
I started working for some multimillionaires about 8 years ago.
They're always out West somewhere.
I take care of their bird http://freetoys.com/pics/babe.jpg
and piddle around their place for 2 hours a day, mostly gazing out to sea.
They're on their 3rd place. Here was their least favorite;
http://freetoys.com/starpoint2
Nice house. I'm visualizing Al Pacino poolside, hopped up on
cocaine and killing a hooker.
Ra
2004-10-02 11:04:01 UTC
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Post by thomas
Post by Ra
http://freetoys.com/starpoint2
Nice house. I'm visualizing Al Pacino poolside, hopped up on
cocaine and killing a hooker.
Say 'Hello' to my li'l friend... Loading Image...
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thom_j
2004-10-02 03:05:57 UTC
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Post by Ra
I take care of their bird http://freetoys.com/pics/babe.jpg
best regards,
Ra
You must have stole my twin "Too". I've had him since he
was 2 months old & he'll be 8yrs/old on the 14th.. I have
worked & use to train, psittacines for 3decades (on&off)
now and they still never cease to amaze & crack me up..8^)'...
ole bird brain lefty tee'...
Ra
2004-10-02 03:49:31 UTC
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Post by Ra
I take care of their bird http://freetoys.com/pics/babe.jpg
You must have stole my twin "Too". I've had him since he
was 2 months old & he'll be 8yrs/old on the 14th.. I have
worked & use to train, psittacines for 3decades (on&off)
now and they still never cease to amaze & crack me up..8^)'...
ole bird brain lefty tee'...
Babe will be 8 in January.. and we've been raising him since he was 6 weeks old.
His favorite thing is meeting new people.
He roller skates, rolls over, plays dead, fetches and cleans the deck of leaves, on command.

He creates a sensation wherever I take him around town.
He often just hangs out in the yard while I'm working.
He used to be able to fly up to the tops of the giant Australian Pines..
but I keep him more clipped now, so he can only fly about 50 feet.

He obeys me without question... but after I'm gone for a little while,
he starts trying to push around whoever is near.
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2004-10-03 19:11:55 UTC
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Post by Ra
Post by thom_j
Post by Ra
I take care of their bird http://freetoys.com/pics/babe.jpg
You must have stole my twin "Too". I've had him since he
was 2 months old & he'll be 8yrs/old on the 14th.. I have
worked & use to train, psittacines for 3decades (on&off)
now and they still never cease to amaze & crack me up..8^)'...
ole bird brain lefty tee'...
Babe will be 8 in January.. and we've been raising him since he was 6 weeks old.
His favorite thing is meeting new people.
He roller skates, rolls over, plays dead, fetches and cleans the deck of
leaves, on command.
He creates a sensation wherever I take him around town.
He often just hangs out in the yard while I'm working.
He used to be able to fly up to the tops of the giant Australian Pines..
but I keep him more clipped now, so he can only fly about 50 feet.
He obeys me without question... but after I'm gone for a little while,
he starts trying to push around whoever is near.
Well I think Mikko (my moluccan) needs lessons from yours? 8^)'..
a humbled "Too" owning tee'...
Post by Ra
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2004-10-03 19:53:47 UTC
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Post by thom_j
Well I think Mikko (my moluccan) needs lessons from yours? 8^)'..
a humbled "Too" owning tee'...
Hey, as long as he is biting the hell out of everyone,
you're doing a lot better than most!
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thom_j
2004-10-03 20:11:39 UTC
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Post by Ra
Hey, as long as he is biting the hell out of everyone,
you're doing a lot better than most!
Actually Ra, thats one thing I dont and wont allow!
He is a big baby, & was up here all afternoon with
me... I have special home'made toys for him to kill
& destroy and he knows just what he can chew &
can't!! Now screaming? Thats an entirely different
issue!
He's potty' trained, and speaks fairly well too 8^)'..
Dag this reads really weird! Ya'd think I'm talking
about a child or somethin'.. hahaha
cheers ole tee'..
p.s talk about Way OT!! 8^)'...
Ra
2004-10-03 20:54:04 UTC
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Post by thom_j
Post by Ra
Hey, as long as he is biting the hell out of everyone,
you're doing a lot better than most!
Actually Ra, thats one thing I dont and wont allow!
He is a big baby, & was up here all afternoon with
me... I have special home'made toys for him to kill
& destroy and he knows just what he can chew &
can't!! Now screaming? Thats an entirely different
issue!
He's potty' trained, and speaks fairly well too 8^)'..
Dag this reads really weird! Ya'd think I'm talking
about a child or somethin'.. hahaha
cheers ole tee'..
p.s talk about Way OT!! 8^)'...
I meant to say; " As long as he ISN"T biting ... "

Yeah, Babe's toilet trained too... but Mikko's got him beat on the talking.
All he will say is 'Hello'. When he was a baby, he said; "Yum yum",
clear as a bell.. but not anymore.

Talk about 'on topic', I got distracted and left a Gibson in the room with him once.
Luckily, the pegs were all he desttroyed.
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2004-10-04 03:31:14 UTC
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Post by Ra
Yeah, Babe's toilet trained too... but Mikko's got him beat on the talking.
All he will say is 'Hello'. When he was a baby, he said; "Yum yum",
clear as a bell.. but not anymore.
I wont get into my gloat'mode.. 8^)' but yea Mikko speaks fairly well
but of course [a] he had 2 yakkity Macaws with him for 6yrs [b] they
talked up a storm so I cant take the credit for Mikko's talking abilities.
Post by Ra
Talk about 'on topic', I got distracted and left a Gibson in the room with him once.
Luckily, the pegs were all he desttroyed.
I have been extremely lucky here! When I had 2 Macaws, & a Too
here I thought I'd have some guitar damage but I didnt. Sadly letting
my 2 macaws go was not a happy day in my life but with my mother
dieing I had no choice.. It was better for the 2 Macaws as I couldnt
take care of my mom + 3 birds. So I just had to give them to 2 new
loving families, but they're both quite happy now and this makes me
feel good.. cheers bird brained tee'..
Post by Ra
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Oh wonderful... with this thread, I feel a case of BAS coming on.
Thanks, guys.

Greg

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Post by Ra
Yeah, Babe's toilet trained too... but Mikko's got him beat on the talking.
All he will say is 'Hello'. When he was a baby, he said; "Yum yum",
clear as a bell.. but not anymore.
I wont get into my gloat'mode.. 8^)' but yea Mikko speaks fairly well
but of course [a] he had 2 yakkity Macaws with him for 6yrs [b] they
talked up a storm so I cant take the credit for Mikko's talking abilities.
Post by Ra
Talk about 'on topic', I got distracted and left a Gibson in the room with him once.
Luckily, the pegs were all he desttroyed.
I have been extremely lucky here! When I had 2 Macaws, & a Too
here I thought I'd have some guitar damage but I didnt. Sadly letting
my 2 macaws go was not a happy day in my life but with my mother
dieing I had no choice.. It was better for the 2 Macaws as I couldnt
take care of my mom + 3 birds. So I just had to give them to 2 new
loving families, but they're both quite happy now and this makes me
feel good.. cheers bird brained tee'..
Post by Ra
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2004-10-05 02:53:27 UTC
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Post by GregD/OASYSCO
Oh wonderful... with this thread, I feel a case of BAS coming on.
Thanks, guys.
Greg
BAS = Bird Acquisition Syndrome
Be careful Greg... These old dinosaurs will steal your heart in
a flash, as they take all prisoners & you're hooked for life! 8^)'.
birdy brain washed tee'...
Jeff Engelmann
2004-10-01 01:29:14 UTC
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Post by Dan
OK... fess-up!
Who's given into a GAS attack say in the last 30 days?
I'll jump in... ! New Samick Royale... A Mesa Theile Cab w/ EV 200 W ..
Oh yeah.. one of those Digitech modeling thingees... There I've said it!
Now I need another 12 -15 Step Program... UGH!!!
Fess-up!
=) Danny
Epi Les Paul Standard. Mint w/case. $380.
Boyd Williamson
2004-10-05 09:46:18 UTC
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Post by Jeff Engelmann
Post by Dan
OK... fess-up!
Who's given into a GAS attack say in the last 30 days?
I'll jump in... ! New Samick Royale... A Mesa Theile Cab w/ EV 200 W ..
Oh yeah.. one of those Digitech modeling thingees... There I've said it!
Now I need another 12 -15 Step Program... UGH!!!
Fess-up!
=) Danny
Epi Les Paul Standard. Mint w/case. $380.
Epiphone Firebird VII (2000?), eBay $360.
Off-white/ebony f'board/gold hardware. Angelically gorgeous! No case (?).

The basic structure seems to be not just okay, but actually rather nice.
Seems strong. I wish the frets were larger. Keys are good.

Adjusted truss rod; lightly leveled and crowned frets. Replaced Epi bridge
with Schaller roller bridge (nice machining, that!), and scratch-built a
Delrin nut for it. Harmonized setup. Moved strap button from rim to heel.

Bought Gibson Firebird case (slightly shopworn) used. Replaced Vibrola
handle screw with Gibson equivalent. Replaced 3-way switch.

It plays really, really sweet, and stays in tune very nicely, but ...
it still sounds like crud. It's okay if overdriven, but it just won't do any
clean sounds to challenge my Strat.

So, I'm replacing the pickups, pots, wiring and jack:

I have a '80's-vintage Gibson Firebird pickup for the neck position.

I have a DiMarzio Mini Humbucker for the bridge, in gold, on the way.

For the middle, I have a GFS Retrotron "Memphis" bridge pickup in gold that
claims to be real "jangly." The middle pickup is mostly just for spice and
special effects on this guitar, so it can afford to be just a tad radical
and complex.

My overall idea is to have a rich "tone machine," with some original "mojo"
(whatever that means). It can always be overdriven. I have some nice pots
lined up, and I'm just dangerous enough with a soldering iron to do this up.

By the time I'm done with it, I will have spent nearly $800 on this Epi, but
I think it will have been well worth it. An equivalent Gibson would be what,
$1,800 new? $1,200 used?

I'm fine w/mine, and havin' fun!

Zoid
Craig Ramseur
2004-10-05 21:49:15 UTC
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Post by Jeff Engelmann
Post by Dan
OK... fess-up!
Who's given into a GAS attack say in the last 30 days?
I'll jump in... ! New Samick Royale... A Mesa Theile Cab w/ EV 200 W
.. Oh yeah.. one of those Digitech modeling thingees... There I've
said it! Now I need another 12 -15 Step Program... UGH!!!
Fess-up!
=) Danny
Epi Les Paul Standard. Mint w/case. $380.
The guitar GAS was 2 months ago, but here's the lst month:

Boss GT-5
MOTU 24I/O audio recording interface
Vox Tone Bender Fuzz Pedal
SansAmp Tri A.C.
Zoom MRS-8 8 track digital recorder


Plus I talked a friend of mine into a $750 Taylor (an upgrade from his $149
Takamine, and 300 over his "budget") !
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Craig Ramseur
Georgio
2004-10-01 02:39:00 UTC
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Post by Dan
OK... fess-up!
Who's given into a GAS attack say in the last 30 days?
I'll jump in... ! New Samick Royale... A Mesa Theile Cab w/ EV 200 W ..
Oh yeah.. one of those Digitech modeling thingees... There I've said it!
Now I need another 12 -15 Step Program... UGH!!!
Fess-up!
=) Danny
Fender tely MIM, PRS dragon pickups, pawn shop traynor amp

georgio
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2004-10-01 19:34:22 UTC
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'59 ES125 from a 2nd hand store. finish is bad but straight neck and
original pickups
Post by Georgio
Post by Dan
OK... fess-up!
Who's given into a GAS attack say in the last 30 days?
I'll jump in... ! New Samick Royale... A Mesa Theile Cab w/ EV 200 W ..
Oh yeah.. one of those Digitech modeling thingees... There I've said it!
Now I need another 12 -15 Step Program... UGH!!!
Fess-up!
=) Danny
Fender tely MIM, PRS dragon pickups, pawn shop traynor amp
georgio
GregD/OASYSCO
2004-10-01 22:27:47 UTC
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Post by tvdoc
'59 ES125 from a 2nd hand store. finish is bad but straight neck and
original pickups
That's not GAS; that's a neccessity.
Greg
Post by tvdoc
Post by Georgio
Post by Dan
OK... fess-up!
Who's given into a GAS attack say in the last 30 days?
I'll jump in... ! New Samick Royale... A Mesa Theile Cab w/ EV 200
W .. Oh yeah.. one of those Digitech modeling thingees... There I've
said it! Now I need another 12 -15 Step Program... UGH!!!
Fess-up!
=) Danny
Fender tely MIM, PRS dragon pickups, pawn shop traynor amp
georgio
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2004-10-02 03:37:21 UTC
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Post by GregD/OASYSCO
Post by tvdoc
'59 ES125 from a 2nd hand store. finish is bad but straight neck and
original pickups
That's not GAS; that's a neccessity.
That's not GAS or a necessity, it's almost useless<g>.
Thomas
2004-10-01 07:47:24 UTC
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Marshall 1974X Handwired 18-watter
icarusi
2004-10-02 22:41:32 UTC
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Post by Dan
OK... fess-up!
Who's given into a GAS attack say in the last 30 days?
I bought a Yamaha UD Stomp, but tried an Orange Rockerverb amp and 4x12 cab,
a Soldano SLO100 and 4x12 cab (and 2x12 cab) and also an Engl 50 watt head
through an Engl 2x12 slant cab. All nice amp/cab combos but the Engl was a
relative bargain. Looking to try a Carlsbro Top 50 and a Matamp mini stack
next.

Also bought a Panasonic NV-GS11 DV camcorder. Currently good prices on these
and well specced for a budget model providing you don't need DV-in. Some
competing budget models don't have a mic-in socket , don't include a remote
control and can't replace a tape whilst on a tripod.

Icarusi
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2004-10-03 18:56:27 UTC
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Finally gonna get to try a Santa Cruz

http://www.thepodium.com/santacruzOMCsitka2383.html

Mine also has the optional pickup..
which is also the dual piezo / soundhole mic system.


Non cutaway / non pickup models seem to be going
for about $2500, used, which is around what I'll be asking,
once I've had a chance to play with it for awhile.
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2004-10-06 05:28:54 UTC
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Gibson SG - '61 Reissue. In layaway - right in time for Xmas.

JT
Post by Dan
OK... fess-up!
Who's given into a GAS attack say in the last 30 days?
I'll jump in... ! New Samick Royale... A Mesa Theile Cab w/ EV 200 W ..
Oh yeah.. one of those Digitech modeling thingees... There I've said it!
Now I need another 12 -15 Step Program... UGH!!!
Fess-up!
=) Danny
Ed Cregger
2004-10-06 06:04:51 UTC
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Post by Tom Niesytto
Gibson SG - '61 Reissue. In layaway - right in time for Xmas.
JT
Good for you JT and Danny as well.

I'm in a phase where I have to buy "necessary" objects in order to
accomplish a particular feat. Things like USB outboard hard drives and such.
While I do get a little excited over buying something like that, it is kind
of like getting excited over the pizza that you just ordered. It's nothing
like GAS as far as I am concerned.

I love my MIM Stratocaster. I finally found a Strat that fits me perfectly.
The more I play it, the more I like it. Would an MIA Strat be better? Maybe,
but I don't need to look at the moment. The one I am playing is working out
just fine.

Ditto my latest amp, a Behringer GMX210. I love this amp!

For what I am doing (recording in my dining room), it fits the bill
perfectly and is working out well with my MIM Strat. I have a bunch (ton?)
of guitar amps, some with tubes, some solid-state. This is the one that is
doing what I need at the moment, in the best manner of what I have available
to use. I can't believe how easily the Behringer's notes drift into
harmonics. This is heaven on Earth.

After purchasing/updating to Sonar 4, buying a soft-synth named Atmosphere
(program) and two USB 200 GB hard drives (one for the wife's business), I'm
about gassed out for a while.

Ed Cregger

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