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zoro robbin hood
2006-06-14 06:18:14 UTC
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Quick Take: Rove follows familiar pattern

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/news/texassouthwest/stories/061406dntexquicktake.17d9f64b.html

11:53 PM CDT on Tuesday, June 13, 2006
By WAYNE SLATER / The Dallas Morning News



AUSTIN - In the political haunts around Austin, where Karl Rove
earned his spurs, there was something decidedly déjà vu about news
that he would not be indicted in the CIA leak case.

Mr. Rove has long had a reputation for tiptoeing right up to the edge
of impropriety without crossing it - or at least not getting caught.
To friends and enemies alike who watched Mr. Rove's political rise, the
Valerie Plame affair seemed to fit a familiar pattern.

The CIA operative's identity was surreptitiously leaked to the media,
apparently in retaliation for her husband's criticism of the Bush
administration.

Such bare-knuckle political gamesmanship had a name back in Texas, the
Mark of Rove: Level the opponent, leave no fingerprints.

In 1986 the discovery of a planted listening device in Mr. Rove's
office was widely publicized, damaging Democratic Gov. Mark White's
re-election bid. He lost to Mr. Rove's client, Republican Bill
Clements.

Four years later, a Rove candidate for agriculture commissioner, Rick
Perry, benefited from newspaper leaks about a federal investigation of
aides to Democratic Commissioner Jim Hightower.

And when George W. Bush ousted Democratic Gov. Ann Richards in 1994,
Mr. Rove was at the helm of the campaign.

She was damaged by a whisper campaign in East Texas that focused on a
small number of gay people she had appointed in her administration. Mr.
Rove denied involvement, and no one could prove otherwise.

A dozen years later, Mr. Bush's 1994 chief media strategist, Don
Sipple, still marvels at the effectiveness of the whisper campaign.

"It worked," Mr. Sipple said. "It was always talked about. It was a
subterranean text of the campaign."

More recently, Sen. John McCain in 2000 touted his valorous service as
a prisoner of war in Vietnam as a strong point in his presidential bid.
In South Carolina, Mr. McCain was targeted by opponents who raised
questions about his personal life and by a veterans group that publicly
questioned his temperament to be president after his searing experience
as a POW.

Mr. McCain blamed the president's guru. Mr. Rove again denied it, and
again, no firm evidence showed otherwise.

So when federal prosecutors began investigating the disclosure of Ms.
Plame's identity shortly after The New York Times published a column by
her husband challenging the Bush administration's rationale for war in
Iraq, the narrative had a familiar look.

But for all the similarity, there was something different in the Plame
affair, something that set it apart from the pattern of political dirty
tricks and hardball tactics that have accompanied Rove campaigns of the
past.

In the CIA case, Mr. Rove had to admit his involvement. He had told a
Time magazine reporter about her CIA role and, over the course of five
appearances before a grand jury, Mr. Rove testified that his failure to
initially tell prosecutors was an honest mistake.

When the federal prosecutor, Patrick Fitzgerald, informed the
president's aide that he would not be charged with any wrongdoing, Mr.
Rove was off the hook legally.

But for the first time, the strategist couldn't deny involvement in
what prosecutors say was a campaign to smear an opponent. This time,
Karl Rove had left fingerprints.

Senior political writer Wayne Slater has covered Karl Rove and Texas
politics for two decades and is co-author of the upcoming book The
Architect: Karl Rove and the Master Plan for Absolute Power.

E-mail ***@dallasnews.com
•R L Measures
2006-06-14 09:44:56 UTC
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Post by zoro robbin hood
Quick Take: Rove follows familiar pattern
http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/news/texassouthwest/stories/061=
406dntexquicktake.17d9f64b.html
11:53 PM CDT on Tuesday, June 13, 2006
By WAYNE SLATER / The Dallas Morning News
AUSTIN - In the political haunts around Austin, where Karl Rove
earned his spurs, there was something decidedly d=E9j=E0 vu about news
that he would not be indicted in the CIA leak case.
Mr. Rove has long had a reputation for tiptoeing right up to the edge
of impropriety without crossing it - or at least not getting caught.
To friends and enemies alike who watched Mr. Rove's political rise, the
Valerie Plame affair seemed to fit a familiar pattern.
The CIA operative's identity was surreptitiously leaked to the media,
apparently in retaliation for her husband's criticism of the Bush
administration.
...

• Karl Rove could never be convicted of outing Valerie Plame because
Pres. George W. Bush claims he declassified intormation about her
employment.
Eat more pork
2006-06-14 17:20:58 UTC
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One big problem. Plame wasn't an operative.
Michael R. McAfee
2006-06-14 23:51:34 UTC
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Post by Eat more pork
One big problem. Plame wasn't an operative.
The CIA seemed to think so.
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Mesa, AZ
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Zamboni
2006-06-15 01:35:35 UTC
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Post by Eat more pork
One big problem. Plame wasn't an operative.
The CIA seemed to think so.
No they didn't, the liberal press seemed to think so.
Michael R. McAfee
2006-06-15 15:31:01 UTC
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Post by Zamboni
Post by Michael R. McAfee
Post by Eat more pork
One big problem. Plame wasn't an operative.
The CIA seemed to think so.
No they didn't, the liberal press seemed to think so.
I'm pretty sure (make that positive) that the CIA indicated that Plame's
employment was a state secret. One that somebody in the White House
leaked for political gain. AKA treason.
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Michael R. McAfee
Mesa, AZ
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Zamboni
2006-06-15 15:56:02 UTC
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Post by Michael R. McAfee
Post by Zamboni
Post by Michael R. McAfee
Post by Eat more pork
One big problem. Plame wasn't an operative.
The CIA seemed to think so.
No they didn't, the liberal press seemed to think so.
I'm pretty sure (make that positive) that the CIA indicated that Plame's
employment was a state secret. One that somebody in the White House
leaked for political gain. AKA treason.
You don't know, but you are calling CArl Rove treasonous. How about
everyone being really sure that Clinton sold the Chinese every
classified secret he could funnel through Ron Brown?
Sanders Kaufman
2006-06-15 16:01:54 UTC
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Post by Zamboni
Post by Michael R. McAfee
I'm pretty sure (make that positive) that the CIA indicated that Plame's
employment was a state secret. One that somebody in the White House
leaked for political gain. AKA treason.
You don't know, but you are calling CArl Rove treasonous.
It's worth pointing out that although he did, without question, commit the
crimes, he was not found to be "not guilty".
They simply chose to not prosecute him for his crimes.
Zamboni
2006-06-15 16:34:14 UTC
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Post by Sanders Kaufman
Post by Zamboni
Post by Michael R. McAfee
I'm pretty sure (make that positive) that the CIA indicated that Plame's
employment was a state secret. One that somebody in the White House
leaked for political gain. AKA treason.
You don't know, but you are calling CArl Rove treasonous.
It's worth pointing out that although he did, without question, commit the
crimes, he was not found to be "not guilty".
They simply chose to not prosecute him for his crimes.
Evidently there was no crime, because all charges were dropped. It's
over. No crime has been determined.
z***@hotmail.com
2006-06-15 23:51:32 UTC
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TREASON of the most dangerous kind (making the U.S. vulnerable to
black-market Nukes)was comitted.. if you claim otherwise you are lying.

That Rove got off is indication of how crooked and powerful the Bush
Crime Family is... again for you to claim otherwise means you are
either a liar or blind... ie they have set Libby (Cheney's right arm to
take the fall ... and the payoffs have been made to make sure it does
not go higher)...

but you can do something about it!
NOVEMBER IS A REFERENDUM ON IMPEACHMENT
Post by Zamboni
Post by Sanders Kaufman
Post by Zamboni
Post by Michael R. McAfee
I'm pretty sure (make that positive) that the CIA indicated that Plame's
employment was a state secret. One that somebody in the White House
leaked for political gain. AKA treason.
You don't know, but you are calling CArl Rove treasonous.
It's worth pointing out that although he did, without question, commit the
crimes, he was not found to be "not guilty".
They simply chose to not prosecute him for his crimes.
Evidently there was no crime, because all charges were dropped. It's
over. No crime has been determined.
Sanders Kaufman
2006-06-16 06:35:33 UTC
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Evidently there was no crime, because all charges were dropped. It's over.
No crime has been determined.
Yeah - that's why there's no investigations, and no Republicans under
indictment.
Because no crime was committed.

Hahahah!
•R L Measures
2006-06-16 11:09:14 UTC
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Post by Sanders Kaufman
Evidently there was no crime, because all charges were dropped. It's over.
No crime has been determined.
Yeah - that's why there's no investigations, and no Republicans under
indictment.
Because no crime was committed.
Hahahah!
• If G. W. declassified the info as to that Valerie was working for the
CIA, it was not against the law for Karl "Turdblossom" Rove to tell Bob
Woodward who she worked for.
z***@hotmail.com
2006-06-16 11:44:47 UTC
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· If G. W. declassified the info as to that Valerie was working for the
CIA, it was not against the law for Karl "Turdblossom" Rove to tell Bob
Woodward who she worked for.
Outing Plame was an act of TREASON!

You are being sarcastic, a joke right?

Or do you not really understand what you have said means?

In other words there is no law Bush can not break because he is the
law...

YOU DO REALIZE THAT IS INSANE...

I ask these questions because so many Bush followers seem to believe
that Bush is the law.

If you are one then you too are insane.
•R L Measures
2006-06-16 21:49:56 UTC
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Post by z***@hotmail.com
=B7 If G. W. declassified the info as to that Valerie was working for the
CIA, it was not against the law for Karl "Turdblossom" Rove to tell Bob
Woodward who she worked for.
Outing Plame was an act of TREASON!
You are being sarcastic, a joke right?
Or do you not really understand what you have said means?
In other words there is no law Bush can not break because he is the
law...
YOU DO REALIZE THAT IS INSANE...
I ask these questions because so many Bush followers seem to believe
that Bush is the law.
If you are one then you too are insane.
*** I did not vote for him in 2000 or in 2004. I agree with Natalie Maines.
Infinity
2006-06-16 22:42:37 UTC
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Post by •R L Measures
Post by z***@hotmail.com
=B7 If G. W. declassified the info as to that Valerie was working for the
CIA, it was not against the law for Karl "Turdblossom" Rove to tell Bob
Woodward who she worked for.
Outing Plame was an act of TREASON!
You are being sarcastic, a joke right?
Or do you not really understand what you have said means?
In other words there is no law Bush can not break because he is the
law...
YOU DO REALIZE THAT IS INSANE...
I ask these questions because so many Bush followers seem to believe
that Bush is the law.
If you are one then you too are insane.
*** I did not vote for him in 2000 or in 2004. I agree with Natalie Maines.
Thus Spake: *G* *O* *D* *S* *C* *R* *E* *A* *T* *O* *R*


I'm wondering why Bush would need to declassify information about
that (ONE) particular CIA agent, and the date that Bush did it?

But at any rate, making public a CIA Agent's identity is called OUTING!
Bush OUTED a CIA agent.... (.) =-O an act of treason...

That... "Bush is is above the law"... is: (BUSH-SHIT) !!

There shouldn't be any doubt, ( left in anyone's mind) , that some group
is taking over the U.S. Government.



God's Creator!
(That was my only sin...) :-[
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Larry in AZ
2006-06-16 21:52:38 UTC
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 If G. W. declassified the info as to that Valerie was working for the
CIA, it was not against the law for Karl "Turdblossom" Rove to tell Bob
Woodward who she worked for.
Everyone knew she worked for the CIA. Her husband bragged about it. She
drove her car into their parking lot every day.
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about the environment!" - 'Denny Crane'
Infinity
2006-06-16 23:14:30 UTC
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<pre wrap=""><font color="#663366"><b>Waiving the right to remain silent, <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:***@somis.org">***@somis.org</a> (&#8226;R L Measures) said</b></font>:

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<pre wrap=""><font color="#663366"><big><b>If G. W. declassified the info as to that Valerie was working for the
CIA, it was not against the law for Karl "Turdblossom" Rove to tell Bob
Woodward who she worked for.</b></big></font>
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<font color="#6600cc"><big><b>Everyone knew she worked for the CIA. Her husband bragged about it. She
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<div align="center"><font color="#993399"><b><big>Thus Spake:&nbsp; *G* *O*
*D* *S*&nbsp;&nbsp; *C* *R* *E* *A* *T* *O* *R*<br>
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<big><b>So&nbsp; does the CIA cafeteria cook and dishwasher, <br>
they all work for the C.I.A.&nbsp; </b></big><span class="moz-smiley-s5"><span>
:-D </span></span><br>
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<big><b>Those are <u>dam</u> good jobs,&nbsp; but they don't hire many
Illegals. ???</b></big> <span class="moz-smiley-s3"><span> ;-) </span></span><br>
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<font color="#993399"><big><b>God's Creator!&nbsp; </b></big></font><br>
(<font color="#cc0000"><b>Sorry... I don't forgive shit!</b></font>)<br>
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Michael R. McAfee
2006-06-17 00:54:19 UTC
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Post by Larry in AZ
 If G. W. declassified the info as to that Valerie was working for the
CIA, it was not against the law for Karl "Turdblossom" Rove to tell Bob
Woodward who she worked for.
Everyone knew she worked for the CIA. Her husband bragged about it. She
drove her car into their parking lot every day.
Even if it were true, disclosing her identity would have been a crime.
Some would say treason.

Why do you continue to defend the indefensible? Do you hate America?
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Michael R. McAfee
Mesa, AZ
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Not PC
2006-06-17 02:07:02 UTC
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On Fri, 16 Jun 2006 17:54:19 -0700, "Michael R. McAfee"
Post by Michael R. McAfee
Post by Larry in AZ
Everyone knew she worked for the CIA. Her husband bragged about it. She
drove her car into their parking lot every day.
Even if it were true, disclosing her identity would have been a crime.
No it would not. It's not illegal to say someone works for the CIA.
Post by Michael R. McAfee
Some would say treason.
And more would say it was popsicle farts.
Michael R. McAfee
2006-06-17 04:30:03 UTC
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Post by Not PC
On Fri, 16 Jun 2006 17:54:19 -0700, "Michael R. McAfee"
Post by Michael R. McAfee
Post by Larry in AZ
Everyone knew she worked for the CIA. Her husband bragged about it. She
drove her car into their parking lot every day.
Even if it were true, disclosing her identity would have been a crime.
No it would not. It's not illegal to say someone works for the CIA.
It is if the CIA says that it is (covert status as they have said in the
Plame case).
Post by Not PC
Post by Michael R. McAfee
Some would say treason.
And more would say it was popsicle farts.
And those would be patriotic Americans? I don't think so. I think that
anybody who says it is OK to disclose the ID of a CIA employee that the
CIA says is covert is a traitor. Don't you agree? What kind of American
are you? The kind that thinks that disclosing the ID of covert agents is
OK ,especially if it is for political gain? The kind that will sacrifice
the lives of untold foreign allies just to gain a point or two of public
opinion? Are you that kind of person?
--
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Michael R. McAfee
Mesa, AZ
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Larry in AZ
2006-06-17 16:24:36 UTC
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Waiving the right to remain silent, "Michael R. McAfee"
Post by Michael R. McAfee
Post by Not PC
On Fri, 16 Jun 2006 17:54:19 -0700, "Michael R. McAfee"
Post by Michael R. McAfee
Post by Larry in AZ
Everyone knew she worked for the CIA. Her husband bragged about
it. She drove her car into their parking lot every day.
Even if it were true, disclosing her identity would have been a crime.
No it would not. It's not illegal to say someone works for the CIA.
It is if the CIA says that it is (covert status as they have said in
the Plame case).
She hadn't been "covert" for five years. Read about it...
--
Larry J. - Remove spamtrap in ALLCAPS to e-mail

"I've come here to enjoy nature. Don't talk to me
about the environment!" - 'Denny Crane'
Michael R. McAfee
2006-06-17 18:24:03 UTC
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Post by Larry in AZ
Waiving the right to remain silent, "Michael R. McAfee"
Post by Michael R. McAfee
Post by Not PC
On Fri, 16 Jun 2006 17:54:19 -0700, "Michael R. McAfee"
Post by Michael R. McAfee
Post by Larry in AZ
Everyone knew she worked for the CIA. Her husband bragged about
it. She drove her car into their parking lot every day.
Even if it were true, disclosing her identity would have been a crime.
No it would not. It's not illegal to say someone works for the CIA.
It is if the CIA says that it is (covert status as they have said in
the Plame case).
She hadn't been "covert" for five years. Read about it...
The CIA said that she was. That's good enough for me. Should be for you too.
--
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Michael R. McAfee
Mesa, AZ
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Larry in AZ
2006-06-17 19:28:58 UTC
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Waiving the right to remain silent, "Michael R. McAfee"
Post by Michael R. McAfee
Post by Larry in AZ
Waiving the right to remain silent, "Michael R. McAfee"
Post by Michael R. McAfee
Post by Not PC
On Fri, 16 Jun 2006 17:54:19 -0700, "Michael R. McAfee"
Post by Michael R. McAfee
Post by Larry in AZ
Everyone knew she worked for the CIA. Her husband bragged about
it. She drove her car into their parking lot every day.
Even if it were true, disclosing her identity would have been a crime.
No it would not. It's not illegal to say someone works for the CIA.
It is if the CIA says that it is (covert status as they have said in
the Plame case).
She hadn't been "covert" for five years. Read about it...
The CIA said that she was. That's good enough for me. Should be for you too.
Someone within the CIA, unfriendly toward the administration. That
there's serious doubt is good enough for me...
--
Larry J. - Remove spamtrap in ALLCAPS to e-mail

"I've come here to enjoy nature. Don't talk to me
about the environment!" - 'Denny Crane'
Michael R. McAfee
2006-06-17 20:54:01 UTC
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Post by Larry in AZ
Waiving the right to remain silent, "Michael R. McAfee"
Post by Michael R. McAfee
Post by Larry in AZ
Waiving the right to remain silent, "Michael R. McAfee"
Post by Michael R. McAfee
Post by Not PC
On Fri, 16 Jun 2006 17:54:19 -0700, "Michael R. McAfee"
Post by Michael R. McAfee
Post by Larry in AZ
Everyone knew she worked for the CIA. Her husband bragged about
it. She drove her car into their parking lot every day.
Even if it were true, disclosing her identity would have been a crime.
No it would not. It's not illegal to say someone works for the CIA.
It is if the CIA says that it is (covert status as they have said in
the Plame case).
She hadn't been "covert" for five years. Read about it...
The CIA said that she was. That's good enough for me. Should be for you too.
Someone within the CIA, unfriendly toward the administration. That
there's serious doubt is good enough for me...
Is that so? Who might that be? Sounds like to me that you just don't
care for the truth. The truth is that the CIA listed Plame as a covert
agent. End of story. Now go stick you head back into the sand.
--
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Michael R. McAfee
Mesa, AZ
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Larry in AZ
2006-06-18 01:24:02 UTC
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Waiving the right to remain silent, "Michael R. McAfee"
Post by Michael R. McAfee
Is that so? Who might that be? Sounds like to me that you just don't
care for the truth. The truth is that the CIA listed Plame as a covert
agent. End of story. Now go stick you head back into the sand.
Someone should have told her husband who bragged about, "My wife, the
Spook" at parties...
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Larry J. - Remove spamtrap in ALLCAPS to e-mail

"I've come here to enjoy nature. Don't talk to me
about the environment!" - 'Denny Crane'
Not PC
2006-06-17 19:36:07 UTC
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On Sat, 17 Jun 2006 11:24:03 -0700, "Michael R. McAfee"
Post by Michael R. McAfee
Post by Larry in AZ
Post by Michael R. McAfee
Post by Not PC
Post by Michael R. McAfee
Post by Larry in AZ
Everyone knew she worked for the CIA. Her husband bragged about
it. She drove her car into their parking lot every day.
Even if it were true, disclosing her identity would have been a crime.
No it would not. It's not illegal to say someone works for the CIA.
It is if the CIA says that it is (covert status as they have said in
the Plame case).
She hadn't been "covert" for five years. Read about it...
The CIA said that she was. That's good enough for me. Should be for you too.
So now the CIA is publishing lists of it's "covert" agents???? Kinda
makes the law on "outing" them moot, doesn't it?
Michael R. McAfee
2006-06-17 20:52:26 UTC
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Post by Not PC
On Sat, 17 Jun 2006 11:24:03 -0700, "Michael R. McAfee"
Post by Michael R. McAfee
Post by Larry in AZ
Post by Michael R. McAfee
Post by Not PC
Post by Michael R. McAfee
Post by Larry in AZ
Everyone knew she worked for the CIA. Her husband bragged about
it. She drove her car into their parking lot every day.
Even if it were true, disclosing her identity would have been a crime.
No it would not. It's not illegal to say someone works for the CIA.
It is if the CIA says that it is (covert status as they have said in
the Plame case).
She hadn't been "covert" for five years. Read about it...
The CIA said that she was. That's good enough for me. Should be for you too.
So now the CIA is publishing lists of it's "covert" agents???? Kinda
makes the law on "outing" them moot, doesn't it?
The CIA outing its own agents? I think not. In this Administration,
that's the Vice President's job.
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Michael R. McAfee
Mesa, AZ
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Not PC
2006-06-17 21:59:02 UTC
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Post by Michael R. McAfee
Post by Not PC
On Sat, 17 Jun 2006 11:24:03 -0700, "Michael R. McAfee"
Post by Michael R. McAfee
Post by Larry in AZ
Post by Michael R. McAfee
Post by Not PC
Post by Michael R. McAfee
Post by Larry in AZ
Everyone knew she worked for the CIA. Her husband bragged about
it. She drove her car into their parking lot every day.
Even if it were true, disclosing her identity would have been a crime.
No it would not. It's not illegal to say someone works for the CIA.
It is if the CIA says that it is (covert status as they have said in
the Plame case).
She hadn't been "covert" for five years. Read about it...
The CIA said that she was. That's good enough for me. Should be for you too.
So now the CIA is publishing lists of it's "covert" agents???? Kinda
makes the law on "outing" them moot, doesn't it?
The CIA outing its own agents? I think not. In this Administration,
that's the Vice President's job.
YOU said the CIA "said she was". So where is this "list" of CIA
covert operatives YOU referred to?
Michael R. McAfee
2006-06-18 01:09:09 UTC
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Post by Not PC
On Sat, 17 Jun 2006 13:52:26 -0700, "Michael R. McAfee"
Post by Michael R. McAfee
Post by Not PC
On Sat, 17 Jun 2006 11:24:03 -0700, "Michael R. McAfee"
Post by Michael R. McAfee
Post by Larry in AZ
Post by Michael R. McAfee
Post by Not PC
Post by Michael R. McAfee
Post by Larry in AZ
Everyone knew she worked for the CIA. Her husband bragged about
it. She drove her car into their parking lot every day.
Even if it were true, disclosing her identity would have been a crime.
No it would not. It's not illegal to say someone works for the CIA.
It is if the CIA says that it is (covert status as they have said in
the Plame case).
She hadn't been "covert" for five years. Read about it...
The CIA said that she was. That's good enough for me. Should be for you too.
So now the CIA is publishing lists of it's "covert" agents???? Kinda
makes the law on "outing" them moot, doesn't it?
The CIA outing its own agents? I think not. In this Administration,
that's the Vice President's job.
YOU said the CIA "said she was". So where is this "list" of CIA
covert operatives YOU referred to?
My source for that comment wasn't the CIA directly, but rather Special
Counsel Fitzgerld.

"Valerie Wilson was a CIA officer. In July 2003, the fact that Valerie
Wilson was a CIA officer was classified. Not only was it classified, but
it was not widely known outside the intelligence community."
http://tinyurl.com/dbf64
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stewart_connor
2006-06-17 04:48:34 UTC
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Libby indicted for the exact same crime because the Bush Crime Family
knew it was serious enough that they would need a fall guy and scape
goat in order that Bush and Rove would not go down.

Get at least an ounce of honesty son.
Post by Not PC
On Fri, 16 Jun 2006 17:54:19 -0700, "Michael R. McAfee"
Post by Michael R. McAfee
Post by Larry in AZ
Everyone knew she worked for the CIA. Her husband bragged about it. She
drove her car into their parking lot every day.
Even if it were true, disclosing her identity would have been a crime.
No it would not. It's not illegal to say someone works for the CIA.
Post by Michael R. McAfee
Some would say treason.
And more would say it was popsicle farts.
•R L Measures
2006-06-17 12:55:00 UTC
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Post by stewart_connor
Libby indicted for the exact same crime because the Bush Crime Family
knew it was serious enough that they would need a fall guy and scape
goat in order that Bush and Rove would not go down.
• Bingo. Under Clinton, crude was $19 a barrel and interns went down.
Post by stewart_connor
Get at least an ounce of honesty son.
Post by Not PC
On Fri, 16 Jun 2006 17:54:19 -0700, "Michael R. McAfee"
Post by Michael R. McAfee
Post by Larry in AZ
Everyone knew she worked for the CIA. Her husband bragged about it. She
drove her car into their parking lot every day.
Even if it were true, disclosing her identity would have been a crime.
No it would not. It's not illegal to say someone works for the CIA.
Post by Michael R. McAfee
Some would say treason.
And more would say it was popsicle farts.
•R L Measures
2006-06-17 12:51:44 UTC
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Post by Larry in AZ
Post by •R L Measures
If G. W. declassified the info as to that Valerie was working for the
CIA, it was not against the law for Karl "Turdblossom" Rove to tell Bob
Woodward who she worked for.
Everyone knew she worked for the CIA. Her husband bragged about it. She
drove her car into their parking lot every day.
Even if it were true, disclosing her identity would have been a crime.
Some would say treason.
Why do you continue to defend the indefensible? Do you hate America?
• My guess is that he's a rabid anti-abortionist who knows deep in his
heart that the U. S. soldiers in Iraq are defending this us.
Larry in AZ
2006-06-17 16:24:01 UTC
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Waiving the right to remain silent, "Michael R. McAfee"
Post by Michael R. McAfee
Do you hate America?
Do you still beat your wife..?
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stewart_connor
2006-06-17 04:45:35 UTC
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Post by Larry in AZ
Everyone knew she worked for the CIA. Her husband bragged about it. She
drove her car into their parking lot every day.
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Larry J. - Remove spamtrap in ALLCAPS to e-mail
"I've come here to enjoy nature. Don't talk to me
about the environment!" - 'Denny Crane'
So then Libby (Cheeny's right hand) is indicted for the same crime for
what then?

Please learn before you write total garbage... or are you intentionally
spreading your lies hoping that some idiot will believe you..
(in all fairness with Bush polling in the thirty percent range it is
clear there are some idots left.. and that is who you are concentrating
on right?)
Larry in AZ
2006-06-17 16:22:12 UTC
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Waiving the right to remain silent, "stewart_connor"
Post by stewart_connor
(in all fairness with Bush polling in the thirty percent range it is
clear there are some idots left.. and that is who you are concentrating
on right?)
Public polling can be full of holes. If you asked the public if they
wanted to be taxed, how many would say "Yes"..?

Yet, for millenia, we've known that taxes are necessary for a functioning,
governed society.

Somebody has to make the hard choices, despite what the public says...
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•R L Measures
2006-06-17 12:46:42 UTC
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Post by Larry in AZ
Post by •R L Measures
If G. W. declassified the info as to that Valerie was working for the
CIA, it was not against the law for Karl "Turdblossom" Rove to tell Bob
Woodward who she worked for.
Everyone knew she worked for the CIA.
• I didn't unril Joe revealed G. W.'s yellowcake fake.
Post by Larry in AZ
Her husband bragged about it.
• How do I know this was true, and not just another RRR red herring?.
Post by Larry in AZ
She drove her car into their parking lot every day.
• So do the typists, food workers, and janitors.
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Eat more pork wrote:
<blockquote cite="mid1AXjg.14007$***@fed1read03" type="cite">One
big problem. Plame wasn't an operative.
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<blockquote><b><font color="#993399">Thus Spake The REAL:&nbsp; *G* *O* *D*
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&nbsp;&nbsp; You should inform all of those stupid congress(persons) and<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp; investigators about that... <span class="moz-smiley-s2"><span> :-( </span></span><br>
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Because the CIA thinks every American citizen may be a...&nbsp; <font
color="#cc0000"><big><big><b>TERRORIST!! <span class="moz-smiley-s11"><span>
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<font color="#6600cc"><big><big><b>&nbsp;<font color="#6633ff">???&nbsp; wrote:</font></b></big></big></font><span
class="moz-smiley-s7"><span> :-\ </span></span> <blockquote cite="midr-***@192.168.1.101" type="cite"> <pre wrap=""><font color="#663366"><b>In article <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:***@y41g2000cwy.googlegroups.com">&lt;***@y41g2000cwy.googlegroups.com&gt;</a>, "zoro
robbin hood" <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:***@hotmail.com">&lt;***@hotmail.com&gt;</a> wrote:
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<pre wrap=""><font color="#663366"><b>Quick Take: Rove follows familiar pattern

<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/news/texassouthwest/stories/061=">http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/news/texassouthwest/stories/061=</a>
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<pre wrap="">The CIA operative's identity was surreptitiously leaked to the media,
apparently in retaliation for her husband's criticism of the Bush
administration.

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<pre wrap=""><!----><font color="#6666cc"><big><b>&#8226; Karl Rove could never be convicted of outing Valerie Plame because
Pres. George W. Bush claims he declassified intormation about her
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<font color="#993399"><big><b>Thus Spake:&nbsp; *G* *O* *D* *S*&nbsp;&nbsp; *C* *R*
*E* *A* *T* *O* *R*<br>
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&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <font color="#cc0000"><big><big><b>Then Bush was the one
that...&nbsp; "Outed"&nbsp; her!</b></big></big></font><br>
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<font color="#993399"><big><b>God's Creator!</b></big></font><br>
&nbsp; (<font color="#cc0000"><big><b>That was my only sin...</b></big></font>)
<span class="moz-smiley-s2"><span> :-( </span></span><br>
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