CO2 production ever increasing

[JTEM]

Check it out:

https://www.eia.gov/outlooks/ieo/

Demand for fossil fuels is not only still
increasing but, it's projected to continue
to grow for decades to come. Even coal,
which is Enemy #1 to environmentalists, is
remaining steady. Which means for every
coal plant we in the west retire a new one
springs up in Asia or Africa...

The way they fool you is being talking about
coal's "Decline" as a percentage of energy.
That makes it sound like coal is declining,
but it's not. Energy consumption is growing,
so if coal is remaining the same then that
means it's shrinking AS A PERCENTAGE. But there
is no decline what so ever in coal use.

...while oil & natural gas keep growing
in use.

The point is, if the "Global Warming" mantra
is true, there is no stopping global warming.

It's impossible.

We're killing our own economy, our own jobs,
"Choosing" ridiculously expensive alternatives
just so other countries can burn the cheap
coal for fuel...

We penalize ourselves, heap costs on ourselves,
when the only result possible is that somebody
else burns the fossil fuels that we saved.

This is stupid. It's "Environmentalism" where
we accomplish NOTHING for the environment!





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[Yap Honghor]

Post by JTEM
https://www.eia.gov/outlooks/ieo/
Demand for fossil fuels is not only still
increasing but, it's projected to continue
to grow for decades to come. Even coal,
which is Enemy #1 to environmentalists, is
remaining steady. Which means for every
coal plant we in the west retire a new one
springs up in Asia or Africa...
The way they fool you is being talking about
coal's "Decline" as a percentage of energy.
That makes it sound like coal is declining,
but it's not. Energy consumption is growing,
so if coal is remaining the same then that
means it's shrinking AS A PERCENTAGE. But there
is no decline what so ever in coal use.
...while oil & natural gas keep growing
in use.
The point is, if the "Global Warming" mantra
is true, there is no stopping global warming.
It's impossible.
We're killing our own economy, our own jobs,
"Choosing" ridiculously expensive alternatives
just so other countries can burn the cheap
coal for fuel...
We penalize ourselves, heap costs on ourselves,
when the only result possible is that somebody
else burns the fossil fuels that we saved.
This is stupid. It's "Environmentalism" where
we accomplish NOTHING for the environment!

You are always wrong in your context.
First, the West is the one which uses coal from the very beginning.
Second, West is the leader and if you don't lead, don't expect followers.
Third, China is aware of the pollution from coal but needs time to change.
Fourth, West is rich, can afford more expensive alternative....the problem is willingness and lead by example.

You have always scorn at global warming and embracing mini ice age...
You must have missed all the basic facts about the problem of uncontrolled fossil burning and its effect on our climate!!!!

You ignore the fact that large noxious gas expanding in our atmosphere will trap sun heat on earth, leading to warming which changes our climate.

[Malcolm McMahon]

Post by JTEM
https://www.eia.gov/outlooks/ieo/
Demand for fossil fuels is not only still
increasing but, it's projected to continue
to grow for decades to come. Even coal,
which is Enemy #1 to environmentalists, is
remaining steady. Which means for every
coal plant we in the west retire a new one
springs up in Asia or Africa...
The way they fool you is being talking about
coal's "Decline" as a percentage of energy.
That makes it sound like coal is declining,
but it's not. Energy consumption is growing,
so if coal is remaining the same then that
means it's shrinking AS A PERCENTAGE. But there
is no decline what so ever in coal use.
...while oil & natural gas keep growing
in use.
The point is, if the "Global Warming" mantra
is true, there is no stopping global warming.
It's impossible.
We're killing our own economy, our own jobs,
"Choosing" ridiculously expensive alternatives
just so other countries can burn the cheap
coal for fuel...
We penalize ourselves, heap costs on ourselves,
when the only result possible is that somebody
else burns the fossil fuels that we saved.
This is stupid. It's "Environmentalism" where
we accomplish NOTHING for the environment!

This is the usual "We can't do everything so why do anything?" fallacy. AGW is a matter of degree, it's not binary. The more we can cut CO2, the less drastic its effects are likely to be. No, we aren't going to prevent it, but we can reduce it.

But it's good that you've abandoned the complete denial that was your position until recently.

Here in Britain we have days when renewables are dominating electricity generation. Our CO2 production is back to what it was decades ago.

And there's now Musk with his grid batteries to help the intermitency problem.

In the long term many of these renewables will cost _less_, even in purely monetary terms than the fossil fuel alternative.

And the country that goes first, winds up with the intellectual property.

[JTEM]

Post by Malcolm McMahon
But it's good that you've abandoned the complete denial that was your position until recently.

"Denial"?

Your religion is based on the DENIAL of the
Quaternary period, which is an ice age. Tell
people this one fact -- WE ARE INSIDE OF AN
ICE AGE -- and those that can't force themselves
to reject the fact stop caring about the GW
myth.

Your religion is based on the DENIAL of the
glacial/interglacial cycle, where the planet
cycles between lengthy glacial periods
punctuated by brief, much warmer interglacials.
Tell people we are inside the very tail end
of one of these interglacials, with the next
glacial period (what they colloquially refer
to as an "ice age") overdue to return. The
ones who can't force themselves to reject this
reality will instantly stop caring about your
GB dogma.

"Global Warming" is as unscientific as you can
get! It uses the present interglacial as a
model for itself, then announces that it doesn't
match the model... "Look! It's too hot!"

Reality based people would use the last interglacial
as a model for what an interglacial looks like
without human industry, only that one was warmer.

...and so wasn't the one before that!

You have to DENY sound scientific principles in
order to maintain your GW mantra.

Post by Malcolm McMahon
Here in Britain we have days when renewables are dominating electricity generation.

Great. As I just pointed out, using an official
cite, it's not changing anything. Fossil fuel
use is still increasing. The west throws away
billions on "Alternatives" just so Asia and
Africa and burn more & more cheap coal.

Post by Malcolm McMahon
Our CO2 production is back to what it was decades ago.

And every once of fossil fuels you didn't
burn were burned in Asia instead. There was
ZERO reduction. In fact, there was an increase.

Which brings us full circle:

Why? The U.S. is producing record amounts of
oil. Cut us back to where we were just a couple
of years ago, remove a few billion barrels from
production each year and the planet is deep
inside of an oil crisis.

There is NOT an infinite supply, there is not
an infinite production capacity. If we don't
burn it somebody else does.

Coal is the only "Victory" and it's steady.
It's not increasing but it's not declining
either.




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[Gospel TT]

Post by JTEM

Post by Malcolm McMahon
But it's good that you've abandoned the complete denial that was

your position until recently.

Post by JTEM
"Denial"?
Your religion is based on the DENIAL of the
Quaternary period, which is an ice age. Tell
people this one fact -- WE ARE INSIDE OF AN
ICE AGE -- and those that can't force themselves
to reject the fact stop caring about the GW
myth.
Your religion is based on the DENIAL of the
glacial/interglacial cycle, where the planet
cycles between lengthy glacial periods
punctuated by brief, much warmer interglacials.
Tell people we are inside the very tail end
of one of these interglacials, with the next
glacial period (what they colloquially refer
to as an "ice age") overdue to return. The
ones who can't force themselves to reject this
reality will instantly stop caring about your
GB dogma.
"Global Warming" is as unscientific as you can
get! It uses the present interglacial as a
model for itself, then announces that it doesn't
match the model... "Look! It's too hot!"
Reality based people would use the last interglacial
as a model for what an interglacial looks like
without human industry, only that one was warmer.
...and so wasn't the one before that!
You have to DENY sound scientific principles in
order to maintain your GW mantra.

Post by Malcolm McMahon
Here in Britain we have days when renewables are dominating

electricity generation.

Post by JTEM
Great. As I just pointed out, using an official
cite, it's not changing anything. Fossil fuel
use is still increasing. The west throws away
billions on "Alternatives" just so Asia and
Africa and burn more & more cheap coal.

Post by Malcolm McMahon
Our CO2 production is back to what it was decades ago.

And every once of fossil fuels you didn't
burn were burned in Asia instead. There was
ZERO reduction. In fact, there was an increase.
Why? The U.S. is producing record amounts of
oil. Cut us back to where we were just a couple
of years ago, remove a few billion barrels from
production each year and the planet is deep
inside of an oil crisis.
There is NOT an infinite supply, there is not
an infinite production capacity. If we don't
burn it somebody else does.
Coal is the only "Victory" and it's steady.
It's not increasing but it's not declining
either.

When you deny anthropomorphic global warming your putting the planet
at risk, rumdum.

[JTEM]

Post by Gospel TT
When you

You don't even have the guts to respond in
the clear. You're so ashamed of the things
you say you can only say them behind sock
puppets.

You refute yourself. Stop pretending you
have any credibility.




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[Gospel TT]

When you eat shit it's gross!!!

You don't even have the guts to watch me eat shit.

That's cause it's so disgusting & you alway's do it, rumdum.

[JTEM]

I'm off my meds. Look how brave I am
to cower behind sock puppets!

You know what you are, and that's why
you do it this way.





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[Gospel TT]

Look how smart I am & how dum jtem is.

You know what you are & what I am.

Your rite lol.

[JTEM]

Gospel TT wrote:
[..]

Even you don't respect you!




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[Gospel TT]

Your not worth no respect.
Even I don't respect me!

How could you lol.

[Alex W.]

Post by JTEM

Post by Malcolm McMahon
But it's good that you've abandoned the complete denial that was your position until recently.

"Denial"?
Your religion is based on the DENIAL of the
Quaternary period, which is an ice age. Tell
people this one fact -- WE ARE INSIDE OF AN
ICE AGE -- and those that can't force themselves
to reject the fact stop caring about the GW
myth.
Your religion is based on the DENIAL of the
glacial/interglacial cycle, where the planet
cycles between lengthy glacial periods
punctuated by brief, much warmer interglacials.
Tell people we are inside the very tail end
of one of these interglacials, with the next
glacial period (what they colloquially refer
to as an "ice age") overdue to return. The
ones who can't force themselves to reject this
reality will instantly stop caring about your
GB dogma.
"Global Warming" is as unscientific as you can
get! It uses the present interglacial as a
model for itself, then announces that it doesn't
match the model... "Look! It's too hot!"
Reality based people would use the last interglacial
as a model for what an interglacial looks like
without human industry, only that one was warmer.
...and so wasn't the one before that!
You have to DENY sound scientific principles in
order to maintain your GW mantra.

Post by Malcolm McMahon
Here in Britain we have days when renewables are dominating electricity generation.

Great. As I just pointed out, using an official
cite, it's not changing anything. Fossil fuel
use is still increasing. The west throws away
billions on "Alternatives" just so Asia and
Africa and burn more & more cheap coal.

Post by Malcolm McMahon
Our CO2 production is back to what it was decades ago.

And every once of fossil fuels you didn't
burn were burned in Asia instead. There was
ZERO reduction. In fact, there was an increase.
Why? The U.S. is producing record amounts of
oil. Cut us back to where we were just a couple
of years ago, remove a few billion barrels from
production each year and the planet is deep
inside of an oil crisis.
There is NOT an infinite supply, there is not
an infinite production capacity. If we don't
burn it somebody else does.
Coal is the only "Victory" and it's steady.
It's not increasing but it's not declining
either.

You know what? I don't care. I really don't.

I have very considerable objections to the quasi-religion of
environmentalism, not to mention inane and half-baked "green" government
policies.

But I do appreciate what it gives me.

I LIKE having less garbage in the streets and on the beaches.

I LIKE being able to walk through nature undespoiled by tons of candy
wrappers, empty bottles, plastic bags and other such crap.

I LIKE forests and lakes that do not die of acid rain.

I LIKE rivers that do not burn, that I can swim in, that I can fish in
(and eat safely what I catch).

I LIKE air that is ever so much cleaner because of pollution controls on
heating, vehicles and power stations.

I LIKE the safety net of having my own power generation capacity on the
roof and in the ground -- it's independence from the increasingly
unreliable grid.

I LIKE the ingenuity on display to address Climate Change and
environmental issues, and that I am reminded of every time I put on my
fleece-lined jacket made from recycled plastic bottles or use a plastic
bag made from eminently renewable casein, a dairy by-product.

I LIKE new LED lighting which does not burn my fingers when replacing a
bulb and which does not get so hot that wires melt and burn down the house.

I LIKE having a car that is faster and as powerful as anything built 20
years ago while using only a quarter of the fuel.

I LIKE insulation and energy-efficient appliances that reduce my bills
while being quieter and more effective.

I LIKE new and better crops that feed more people more nutritiously at a
lower cost and using less hard chemistry because that means less war,
less famine, less shit I put in my own body.

I LIKE knowing that reducing our reliance on irreplaceable resources
will stave off the day when we cannot manufacture essential products
anymore.

I LIKE having a new green roof on my home because it reduces my energy
bills, keeps the house cooler and the air cleaner without me having to
do a damn thing.

I LIKE having new and fast-growing industries that offer good jobs for
many, many people as much as I LIKE the profits they generate for me as
an investor.

I like all of these things because they spur inventiveness, they improve
my life, they not only save me money but look good on the performance of
my portfolio, and because they are good engineering. Being green or
eco-friendly or a paid-up member of the Church of Climate Catastrophe
has nothing to do with any of those benefits. Nor do I give a flying
leap at a dried rat's anus if the Indians or Chinese continue to poison
their own people, if a few thousand residents of Delhi or Beijing die
every time there is smog in their city -- that's their loss of life,
their short-sightedness, their loss of productivity.

[JTEM]

Post by Alex W.
You know what? I don't care. I really don't.

I do.

I like education. I like intelligence. I like
people being well informed. I like honest news.

I hate regressive taxation, like any & all
"Carbon Tax" schemes.

I hate sacrificing our economic growth for the
sake of some other country. Like I said, if
we don't burn the fossil fuels then somebody
else will. Production is not infinite, and
neither is supply. There is ZERO reduction in
pollution from our sacrifice.

So I care.

If everyone knew the facts, if nobody was being
hammered with propaganda, if everyone STILL
wanted to give away part of their economy to
some other nation, I could accept that. But not
this.





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[Cloud Hobbit]

I hate sacrificing our economic growth for the
sake of some other country. Like I said, if
we don't burn the fossil fuels then somebody
else will. Production is not infinite, and
neither is supply. There is ZERO reduction in
pollution from our sacrifice.

So I care.

If everyone knew the facts, if nobody was being
hammered with propaganda, if everyone STILL
wanted to give away part of their economy to
some other nation, I could accept that. But not
this.
___________

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.technologyreview.com/s/416786/global-warming-vs-the-next-ice-age/amp/#ampshare=https://www.technologyreview.com/s/416786/global-warming-vs-the-next-ice-age/

There’s little question that global warming is happening. Climate data show that Earth’s average temperature has risen at least 0.7  oC (1.3 oF) over the 20th century. Temperature increases over the 21st century will probably be two and a half to five times as large,because greenhouse gases like carbon dioxide allow sunlight to penetrate the atmosphere but make it harder for outgoing infrared radiation to escape. What’s more, just as carbonated soda fizzes when it warms up, warmer temperatures cause the ocean to release carbon dioxide taken up during colder periods. Analyses of air trapped in glacial ice over the last 800,000 years show that atmospheric carbon dioxide generally ranged between 200 and 300 parts per million by volume (ppmv); increases in these levels were slightly preceded by increases in temperature caused by natural orbital shifts. During this period, global temperature varied by about 12 oC. Now, carbon levels are approaching 400 ppmv as the burning of fossil fuels pumps more and more carbon dioxide into the atmosphere. Even if the rate of growth could be moderated enough to stabilize levels at about 550 ppmv, average temperatures might well rise by about 5 oC–with devastating effects for us earthlings, such as rising sea levels and dramatic changes in weather patterns.

[JTEM]

Post by Cloud Hobbit
There’s little question that global warming is happening.

We're inside of an ice age. Right now. The
Quaternary Period is an ice age. You're wetting
your bed at the thought of the earth warming
up closer to it's normal temperature during an
ice age.

...it's like screaming about a lack of water
on the deck of the Titanic.







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[Malcolm McMahon]

Post by JTEM

Post by Malcolm McMahon
But it's good that you've abandoned the complete denial that was your
position until recently.

"Denial"?
Your religion is based on the DENIAL of the
Quaternary period, which is an ice age. Tell
people this one fact -- WE ARE INSIDE OF AN
ICE AGE -- and those that can't force themselves
to reject the fact stop caring about the GW
myth.

I don't deny that, and there is likely to come a time when we have to deal with
it. For the moment warming is the problem to hand.

[JTEM]

Post by Malcolm McMahon
For the moment warming is the problem to hand.

Why?

The earth's norms are warmer, not cooler. The
previous interglacial period was warmer than
this one and even THIS interglacial was warmer
in the past. So why should we be concerned at
all?

Wait. You didn't think that "Staying the same"
was ever an option, did you? Seriously? After
millions of years of constant climate change,
you thought it might remain stagnant at some
undescribed "Ideal" for no apparent reason?

The choice is warmer or colder, and I pick warmer.

...as does anyone with an ounce or more of
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Post by JTEM
https://www.eia.gov/outlooks/ieo/
Demand for fossil fuels is not only still
increasing but, it's projected to continue
to grow for decades to come. Even coal,
which is Enemy #1 to environmentalists, is
remaining steady. Which means for every
coal plant we in the west retire a new one
springs up in Asia or Africa...
The way they fool you is being talking about
coal's "Decline" as a percentage of energy.
That makes it sound like coal is declining,
but it's not. Energy consumption is growing,
so if coal is remaining the same then that
means it's shrinking AS A PERCENTAGE. But there
is no decline what so ever in coal use.
...while oil & natural gas keep growing
in use.
The point is, if the "Global Warming" mantra
is true, there is no stopping global warming.
It's impossible.
We're killing our own economy, our own jobs,
"Choosing" ridiculously expensive alternatives
just so other countries can burn the cheap
coal for fuel...
We penalize ourselves, heap costs on ourselves,
when the only result possible is that somebody
else burns the fossil fuels that we saved.
This is stupid. It's "Environmentalism" where
we accomplish NOTHING for the environment!

You are remarkably small, short-sighted, greedy, needy, and STUPID.

[JTEM]

Post by default
You are remarkably small, short-sighted, greedy, needy, and STUPID.

"Oh no! We're in an ice age! This brief
interglacial period we now live in is overdue
to end! The glaciers are overdue to return
and bulldoze most of north America and northern
Europe! Only a remarkably small, short sighted,
greedy, needy & STUPID person wouldn't wet their
bed at the thought of the climate warming
slightly! Oh no! SCIENCE & stuff!"

You ridicule yourself, again.




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On Thu, 8 Mar 2018 08:47:53 -0800 (PST), JTEM <***@gmail.com>
wrote:

Nothing has changed: You are remarkably small, short-sighted, greedy,
needy, and STUPID.

[JTEM]

Post by default
Nothing has changed: You are remarkably small, short-sighted, greedy,
needy, and STUPID.

"Nothing has changed! We are STILL inside an
ice age! The glaciers are STILL overdue to
return! Temperatures are STILL below peak
for this interglacial period and even previous
interglacials! We are STILL overdue to see most
of north America & northern Europe wiped out
by advancing glaciers! And if you aren't pissing
yourself in fright at the idea of it growing
slightly warmer then you're STILL a remarkably
small, short sighted, greedy, needy & STUPID
person because, like, *Science* & stuff!"

Like I said, you ridicule yourself...




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Post by JTEM

Post by default
Nothing has changed: You are remarkably small, short-sighted, greedy,
needy, and STUPID.

"Nothing has changed! We are STILL inside an
ice age! The glaciers are STILL overdue to
return! Temperatures are STILL below peak
for this interglacial period and even previous
interglacials! We are STILL overdue to see most
of north America & northern Europe wiped out
by advancing glaciers! And if you aren't pissing
yourself in fright at the idea of it growing
slightly warmer then you're STILL a remarkably
small, short sighted, greedy, needy & STUPID
person because, like, *Science* & stuff!"
Like I said, you ridicule yourself...

https://climate.nasa.gov/

[JTEM]

Post by default
https://climate.nasa.gov/

So the space agency is spewing "GLOBAL WARMING DURING
AN ICE AGE WITH THE GLACIERS OVERDUE TO RETURN" idiocy,
and alarm bells aren't going off in your head?

Which FACT are you denying? That this is an ice age?
That we are inside a brief interglacial period? That
most interglacials only lasted 10k years and this one
is already close to 12k by the most popular estimates,
and more like 15k taking into account the Younger
Dryas cooling?

Which of these undeniable facts are you denying?




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Post by JTEM

Post by default
https://climate.nasa.gov/

So the space agency is spewing "GLOBAL WARMING DURING
AN ICE AGE WITH THE GLACIERS OVERDUE TO RETURN" idiocy,
and alarm bells aren't going off in your head?

Gee, I thought the NASA site was dumbed-down enough so even you could
understand it.

Post by JTEM
Which FACT are you denying? That this is an ice age?
That we are inside a brief interglacial period? That
most interglacials only lasted 10k years and this one
is already close to 12k by the most popular estimates,
and more like 15k taking into account the Younger
Dryas cooling?
Which of these undeniable facts are you denying?

The reason you don't hear "mini-ice age" or some of the other BS the
coal/gas/oil companies are filling your limited intellect with, is
because of climate "change." The operative word is CHANGE.

Did you know that while Exxon was gearing up their own propaganda
campaign to discredit the words of climatologists, they were churning
out memos telling their engineering staff to allow for sea level rise
when designing offshore drilling platforms.

http://graphics.latimes.com/oil-operations/

[JTEM]

Post by default
Gee, I thought the NASA site was dumbed-down

Clearly, so I'll repeat:

What fact are your denying? The fact that we are
inside of an ice age? That, the Quaternary period
is an ice age. That, we are experiencing a brief
"Interglacial period," that these typically last
only 10k years and this one is popularly dated to
almost 12k, but perhaps is more accurately dated
to around 15k before the start of the Younger
Dryas cooling?

...so which fact are you denying, allowing you
to wet your bed in fright over the thought of it
getting slightly warmer during an ice age?




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Post by JTEM

Post by default
Gee, I thought the NASA site was dumbed-down

What fact are your denying? The fact that we are
inside of an ice age? That, the Quaternary period
is an ice age. That, we are experiencing a brief
"Interglacial period," that these typically last
only 10k years and this one is popularly dated to
almost 12k, but perhaps is more accurately dated
to around 15k before the start of the Younger
Dryas cooling?
...so which fact are you denying, allowing you
to wet your bed in fright over the thought of it
getting slightly warmer during an ice age?

The very guys paying for propaganda to deny climate change are
themselves reacting to it. Did you miss that?

After all, you are just choosing to believe what makes you feel
secure. Exxon and Mobil et al. are the people that you are parroting,
along with some particularly stupid greedy political dummies.

http://graphics.latimes.com/oil-operations/

[JTEM]

Post by default
The very guys paying for propaganda

STOP acting like such a pussy and answer
the question:

Which fact are you you denying? Which fact
are you calling propaganda?

Because we are inside of an ice age. We are
living in a very brief "interglacial period."
These interglacials typically last only 10k
years, ours is popularly thought to be almost
12k years old but, accounting for the freak
Younger Dryas cooling, might more accurately
be described as 15k years old. Meaning, the
glaciers are overdue for a return.

So, which of these facts are you denying?





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[Yap Honghor]

Post by JTEM

Post by default
The very guys paying for propaganda

STOP acting like such a pussy and answer
Which fact are you you denying? Which fact
are you calling propaganda?
Because we are inside of an ice age. We are
living in a very brief "interglacial period."
These interglacials typically last only 10k
years, ours is popularly thought to be almost
12k years old but, accounting for the freak
Younger Dryas cooling, might more accurately
be described as 15k years old. Meaning, the
glaciers are overdue for a return.
So, which of these facts are you denying?

To theists, the word "evidence" or "fact" does not exist!!!

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On Sun, 11 Mar 2018 01:40:12 -0800 (PST), Yap Honghor

Post by Yap Honghor

Post by JTEM

Post by default
The very guys paying for propaganda

STOP acting like such a pussy and answer
Which fact are you you denying? Which fact
are you calling propaganda?
Because we are inside of an ice age. We are
living in a very brief "interglacial period."
These interglacials typically last only 10k
years, ours is popularly thought to be almost
12k years old but, accounting for the freak
Younger Dryas cooling, might more accurately
be described as 15k years old. Meaning, the
glaciers are overdue for a return.
So, which of these facts are you denying?

To theists, the word "evidence" or "fact" does not exist!!!

I think Jtem is already in his hands over his ears (figuratively) and
screaming so he can't hear the truth.

[JTEM]

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I think Jtem is already in his hands over his ears (figuratively) and
screaming so he can't hear the truth.

Okay, so the "Truth" is that we're not inside
of an ice age? That the Quaternary period
isn't an ice age? That typically an interglacial
doesn't last only 10k years? That ours isn't
popularly dated to almost 12k years ago? That,
if we adjust for the Younger Dryas cooling it
isn't about 15k years old?

You believe in idiocy. You denounce reality in
favor of dogma.




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I think Jtem is already in his hands over his ears (figuratively) and
screaming so he can't hear the truth.

Okay, so the "Truth" is that we're not inside
of an ice age? That the Quaternary period
isn't an ice age? That typically an interglacial
doesn't last only 10k years? That ours isn't
popularly dated to almost 12k years ago? That,
if we adjust for the Younger Dryas cooling it
isn't about 15k years old?
You believe in idiocy. You denounce reality in
favor of dogma.

Dogma is the elixir of Catholics, fundies, Muslims, Republicans, and
religious cretins of all stripes; I stay away from dogma and Koolaid.

[JTEM]

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Dogma is

So it's only "Dogma" if you don't agree with
it? Fascinating.

All you dogmatic fools feel that way, or didn't
you know?




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Dogma is

So it's only "Dogma" if you don't agree with
it? Fascinating.
All you dogmatic fools feel that way, or didn't
you know?

Dogma is defined as "prescribed doctrine proclaimed as unquestionably
true by a particular group."

I prefer to make decisions based on independent consideration and
eschew group-think.

[JTEM]

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Dogma is defined as "prescribed doctrine proclaimed as unquestionably
true by a particular group."

Well that certainly describes the "Man Made Global
Warming Caused By Fossil Fuels Which Are Running
Out Anyway" crowd.

Again, we are inside of an ice age. The Quaternary
period is an ice age. We are experiencing a pause
between two glacial periods, an interglacial, which
is overdue to end. Typically these pauses last some
10k years while ours is popularly dated to almost
12k years ago. It may be more accurately dated to
15k years ago, if we account for the Younger Dryas
cooling.

These facts all by themselves ridicule the "Global
Warming" religion. True or not, it's stupid to
worry about it. We'd want to warm the planet, if we
could. The alternative is to invite the overdue
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[Cloud Hobbit]

Why is it always someone who everybody knows is full of shit that yells and screams that they have the truth but they never have any evidence?

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Post by Cloud Hobbit
Why is it always someone who everybody knows is full of shit that yells and screams that they have the truth but they never have any evidence?

I suspect there may be a evolutionary quirk involved with how we
humans think. When you are a weak critter with little to protect you
from the predators all around.

Too many of us are a cowardly bunch and very "risk adverse." Denial
is a way to avoid confronting what scares you.

[JTEM]

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I suspect there may be a evolutionary quirk involved with how we
humans think. When you are a weak critter with little to protect you
from the predators all around.

You're saying this in response to a cite
demonstrating the GROWING demand in fossil
fuels, and their forecasted growth for
decades to come.

Yes, you have to be of the exact same mindset
as a young earth creationist to even worry
about global warming during an ice age, but
even if you're too ignorant to know that, you've
got to grasp that your own position is not
internally consistent. It's pointless to invest
energy into avoiding "global warming," if you
believe your own narrative, as it's unavoidable.
100% of efforts should be in preparation... if
you believe what you say.

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Too many of us are a cowardly bunch and very "risk adverse." Denial
is a way to avoid confronting what scares you.

Why does reality scare you?





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Post by JTEM

Post by default
I suspect there may be a evolutionary quirk involved with how we
humans think. When you are a weak critter with little to protect you
from the predators all around.

You're saying this in response to a cite
demonstrating the GROWING demand in fossil
fuels, and their forecasted growth for
decades to come.
Yes, you have to be of the exact same mindset
as a young earth creationist to even worry
about global warming during an ice age, but
even if you're too ignorant to know that, you've
got to grasp that your own position is not
internally consistent. It's pointless to invest
energy into avoiding "global warming," if you
believe your own narrative, as it's unavoidable.
100% of efforts should be in preparation... if
you believe what you say.

Post by default
Too many of us are a cowardly bunch and very "risk adverse." Denial
is a way to avoid confronting what scares you.

Why does reality scare you?

It is you who are in denial.

[JTEM]

Post by default
It is you who are in denial.

So you're saying that the Quaternary period
is NOT an ice age, that we are NOT inside the
tail end of a brief "interglacial period,"
that the glaciers are NOT due to return... and
that it's me in denial?

Just the fact that we are inside of an ice age,
just this one fact, and your entire "Global
Warming" religion falls flat.

Who. Cares.



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[Yap Honghor]

Post by JTEM

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It is you who are in denial.

So you're saying that the Quaternary period
is NOT an ice age, that we are NOT inside the
tail end of a brief "interglacial period,"
that the glaciers are NOT due to return... and
that it's me in denial?
Just the fact that we are inside of an ice age,
just this one fact, and your entire "Global
Warming" religion falls flat.
Who. Cares.

There is no ice beyond New York....what ice age?

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Post by JTEM

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It is you who are in denial.

So you're saying that the Quaternary period
is NOT an ice age, that we are NOT inside the
tail end of a brief "interglacial period,"
that the glaciers are NOT due to return... and
that it's me in denial?
Just the fact that we are inside of an ice age,
just this one fact, and your entire "Global
Warming" religion falls flat.
Who. Cares.

Anyone with children who think they would "do anything for my kids,"
and that they are "the most precious gift," should care.

Selfish, short-sighted, ignorant, or stupid people, do not care about
others or the future beyond their own miserable gluttonous lives.

[JTEM]

Post by default

Post by JTEM
So you're saying that the Quaternary period
is NOT an ice age, that we are NOT inside the
tail end of a brief "interglacial period,"
that the glaciers are NOT due to return... and
that it's me in denial?
Just the fact that we are inside of an ice age,
just this one fact, and your entire "Global
Warming" religion falls flat.
Who. Cares.

Anyone with children who think they would "do anything for my kids,"
and that they are "the most precious gift," should care.

So, anyone who "Cares" for their children would
want the earth to continue it's plunge towards
glaciation. I see. You're Nucking Futs!

We. Are. In. An. Ice age. The glaciers will return.
They were supposed to have already returned. We are
overdue to see most of western civilization destroyed
by advancing glaciers. AND, you think that only people
in denial wouldn't care if it gets warmer...

There is something VERY wrong with you!




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Post by JTEM

Post by default

Post by JTEM
So you're saying that the Quaternary period
is NOT an ice age, that we are NOT inside the
tail end of a brief "interglacial period,"
that the glaciers are NOT due to return... and
that it's me in denial?
Just the fact that we are inside of an ice age,
just this one fact, and your entire "Global
Warming" religion falls flat.
Who. Cares.

Anyone with children who think they would "do anything for my kids,"
and that they are "the most precious gift," should care.

So, anyone who "Cares" for their children would
want the earth to continue it's plunge towards
glaciation. I see. You're Nucking Futs!
We. Are. In. An. Ice age. The glaciers will return.
They were supposed to have already returned. We are
overdue to see most of western civilization destroyed
by advancing glaciers. AND, you think that only people
in denial wouldn't care if it gets warmer...
There is something VERY wrong with you!

Funny thing is that glaciers are receding, and not just receding but
receding at a faster rate each year. How does that fit your ice age
theory?

So your idea is that we are really saving ourselves by raising the
temperatures and avoiding an ice age?

Another funny thing about humans is that intelligence and standard of
living seem to favor the colder climates. Had we stayed in Africa, we
wouldn't be discussing this now.

I wouldn't worry too much about running out of fossil fuels, there's
more than enough to poison the atmosphere without global warming as a
consequence. And we don't just poison the atmosphere, we also poison
our water and soil.

[JTEM]

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Funny thing is that glaciers are receding

Why would that be funny? If it were true that
would be a good thing. I mean, what psycho
would want the glaciers to grow, wiping out
most of western civilization, including the
most productive agricultural areas on the
planet?

Assuming that you can grasp that the climate
has never one been "Stable" in over 2 and a
half million years, and that the opposite of
warming is cooling, even the likes of you would
see receding glaciers as good news.

Does a warmer earth present some problem?

WRONG QUESTION!

The right question is: Does a warmer earth
present more or fewer problems than a cooling
earth?

Hint: THE FUCKING ANSWER IS "FEWER." A WARMER
EARTH PRESENTS FEWER PROBLEMS!

You're welcome.





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Post by JTEM

Post by default
Funny thing is that glaciers are receding

Why would that be funny? If it were true that
would be a good thing. I mean, what psycho
would want the glaciers to grow, wiping out
most of western civilization, including the
most productive agricultural areas on the
planet?

It is true. You've never been to "Glacier National Park."

Post by JTEM
Assuming that you can grasp that the climate
has never one been "Stable" in over 2 and a
half million years, and that the opposite of
warming is cooling, even the likes of you would
see receding glaciers as good news.
Does a warmer earth present some problem?

Only if you live in NYC, Miami, etc..

Post by JTEM
WRONG QUESTION!
The right question is: Does a warmer earth
present more or fewer problems than a cooling
earth?
Hint: THE FUCKING ANSWER IS "FEWER." A WARMER
EARTH PRESENTS FEWER PROBLEMS!

You really are a dense idiot. You're welcome.

[Cloud Hobbit]

It is true. You've never been to "Glacier National Park."
___________

I have. Mid 1960's.
I still remember having the most incredible drink of ice cold water from a stream there.

Later we went to a restaurant named Frenchy's Chinese Garden.

I later dated one of my sister's friends who was Flathead Indian who told me that when the white man came to Montana, they killed the women and raped the buffalo.

[Smiler]

Post by default
It is true. You've never been to "Glacier National Park."
___________
I have. Mid 1960's.
I still remember having the most incredible drink of ice cold water from a stream there.
Later we went to a restaurant named Frenchy's Chinese Garden.
I later dated one of my sister's friends who was Flathead Indian who
told me that when the white man came to Montana, they killed the women
and raped the buffalo.

Bully tactics?

[Cloud Hobbit]

Bully tactics?
______

No, no, I let her get on top.

[JTEM]

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It is true.

What's true? That the glaciers are larger
now than they have been in the historical
past? Of course that's true! And they'll
grow large again -- so large that they wipe
clean most of western civilization and the
present day food belt! The only thing that
could ever stop it from happen would be --
not get this -- "Global Warming."

Yes, we are inside of an ice age and ending
the ice age means "Global Warming." This
would be a good thing.

Painful? Of course. But a ridiculously small
amount of pain compared to the alternative.

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You really are a dense idiot.

Said the idiot as he wet his bed in fear of
it growing slightly warmer during an ice age.





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[JTEM]

Again, we are in an ice age. We are at the
very tail end of a short lived "Interglacial
Period," one that is colder than the previous
interglacial... or even the one before that.

We're inside of an ice age. We want "Warmer."
"Warmer" is a good thing.








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[Yap Honghor]

Post by default

Post by JTEM

Post by default

Post by JTEM
So you're saying that the Quaternary period
is NOT an ice age, that we are NOT inside the
tail end of a brief "interglacial period,"
that the glaciers are NOT due to return... and
that it's me in denial?
Just the fact that we are inside of an ice age,
just this one fact, and your entire "Global
Warming" religion falls flat.
Who. Cares.

Anyone with children who think they would "do anything for my kids,"
and that they are "the most precious gift," should care.

So, anyone who "Cares" for their children would
want the earth to continue it's plunge towards
glaciation. I see. You're Nucking Futs!
We. Are. In. An. Ice age. The glaciers will return.
They were supposed to have already returned. We are
overdue to see most of western civilization destroyed
by advancing glaciers. AND, you think that only people
in denial wouldn't care if it gets warmer...
There is something VERY wrong with you!

Funny thing is that glaciers are receding, and not just receding but
receding at a faster rate each year. How does that fit your ice age
theory?

JTEM thinks he cannot see because the photos are fake.

Post by default
So your idea is that we are really saving ourselves by raising the
temperatures and avoiding an ice age?

Luckily JTEM is nobody and has no say in climatic change, otherwise, he could mandate that coal plants be put into use, instead of nuke or green energy.

Post by default
Another funny thing about humans is that intelligence and standard of
living seem to favor the colder climates. Had we stayed in Africa, we
wouldn't be discussing this now.

JTEM is staying in comfort of American climate, he has no desire to taste the African weather.

Post by default
I wouldn't worry too much about running out of fossil fuels, there's
more than enough to poison the atmosphere without global warming as a
consequence. And we don't just poison the atmosphere, we also poison
our water and soil.

Not to mention your lung and other diseases from polluting particles which trap heat and absorb more sun ray.

[JTEM]

Post by Yap Honghor
JTEM thinks

You're defending a hysterical fear of it
growing slightly warmer during an ice age.




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[JTEM]

Post by Cloud Hobbit
Why is it always someone who everybody knows

So have you chugged a whole box of Stupid Pills
again?

Clearly you can't deal with the facts because
they conflict with your beliefs. Admitting that
we are inside of an ice age, IN YOUR MIND,
completely debunks your global warming.

...admitting that we are inside a short
lived interglacial period OVERDUE to end, in
your mind, destroys your "Science" narrative.

You're worse than a young earth creationist. They
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[Cloud Hobbit]

no! We're in an ice age! This brief
interglacial period we now live in is overdue
to end! The glaciers are overdue to return
and bulldoze most of north America and northern
Europe! Only a remarkably small, short sighted,
greedy, needy & STUPID person wouldn't wet their
bed at the thought of the climate warming
slightly! Oh no! SCIENCE & stuff!"

You ridicule yourself, again.
______________

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/heres-why-were-not-living-in-an-ice-age-and-why-that-matters-for-the-future-109417477/

[Cloud Hobbit]

Post by JTEM

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You are remarkably small, short-sighted, greedy, needy, and STUPID.

"Oh no! We're in an ice age! This brief
interglacial period we now live in is overdue
to end! The glaciers are overdue to return
and bulldoze most of north America and northern
Europe! Only a remarkably small, short sighted,
greedy, needy & STUPID person wouldn't wet their
bed at the thought of the climate warming
slightly! Oh no! SCIENCE & stuff!"
You ridicule yourself, again.
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https://www.usgs.gov/faqs/how-long-can-we-expect-present-interglacial-period-last?qt-news_science_products=0#qt-news_science_products

How long can we expect the present Interglacial period to last?

No one knows for sure. In the Devils Hole, Nevada, paleoclimate record, the last four interglacials lasted over ~20,000 years with the warmest portion being a relatively stable period of 10,000 to 15,000 years duration. This is consistent with what is seen in the Vostok ice core from Antarctica and several records of sea level high stands. These data suggest that an equally long duration should be inferred for the current interglacial period as well. Work in progress on Devils Hole data for the period 60,000 to 5,000 years ago indicates that current interglacial temperature conditions may have already persisted for 17,000 years. Other workers have suggested that the current interglacial might last tens of thousands of years.

https://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/abrupt-climate-change/Glacial-Interglacial%20Cycles

ET until Saturday, September 28 at 2:00 PM ET. We apologize for any inconvenience.
Glacial-Interglacial Cycles
Comparison between summer ice coverage from 18,000 years BP and modern day.

Comparison between summer ice coverage from 18,000 years BP (see, for example, Peltier 1994) and modern day observations. Note that when more water is locked up in ice, more land is exposed due to lower sea levels
Large, continental ice sheets in the Northern Hemisphere have grown and retreated many times in the past. We call times with large ice sheets “glacial periods” (or ice ages) and times without large ice sheets “interglacial periods.” The most recent glacial period occurred between about 120,000 and 11,500 years ago. Since then, Earth has been in an interglacial period called the Holocene. Glacial periods are colder, dustier, and generally drier than interglacial periods. These glacial–interglacial cycles are apparent in many marine and terrestrial paleoclimate records from around the world.
What causes glacial–interglacial cycles?

Variations in Earth's orbit through time have changed the amount of solar radiation Earth receives in each season. Interglacial periods tend to happen during times of more intense summer solar radiation in the Northern Hemisphere. These glacial–interglacial cycles have waxed and waned throughout the Quaternary Period (the past 2.6 million years). Since the middle Quaternary, glacial–interglacial cycles have had a frequency of about 100,000 years (Lisiecki and Raymo 2005). In the solar radiation time series, cycles of this length (known as “eccentricity”) are present but are weaker than cycles lasting about 23,000 years (which are called “precession of the equinoxes”).

[Cloud Hobbit]

The point is, if the "Global Warming" mantra
is true, there is no stopping global warming.
___________________

Some people would argue that's not true.
___________



It's impossible.

We're killing our own economy, our own jobs,
"Choosing" ridiculously expensive alternatives
just so other countries can burn the cheap
coal for fuel...

We penalize ourselves, heap costs on ourselves,
when the only result possible is that somebody
else burns the fossil fuels that we saved.

This is stupid. It's "Environmentalism" where
we accomplish NOTHING for the environment!
_________________

I have said on more than one occasion that I distrust that the problem of climate change seems a bit to hysterical to be completely genuine.

People, scientists, who don't agree with the consensus are treated as pariahs and have their jobs threatened and get lied about.

Does that mean the whole thing is manufactured?

I don't know.

I do suspect that when we are told that the solution is a drastic change of lifestyle, it has more to do with politics than science.

I sincerely hope that if it should be an oncoming catastrophe that there will be a way or ways to fix it.

I don't think it will be the end of the world and in some places it will be beneficial.

We have been told too many times that disaster was imminent only for it to be unwarranted hysteria.

I've read enough to believe there is chicanery on both sides.

Perhaps you could give a citation about being in the middle of an ice age and any other relevant info.

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Post by JTEM
The point is, if the "Global Warming" mantra
is true, there is no stopping global warming.
___________________
Some people would argue that's not true.
___________
It's impossible.
We're killing our own economy, our own jobs,
"Choosing" ridiculously expensive alternatives
just so other countries can burn the cheap
coal for fuel...
We penalize ourselves, heap costs on ourselves,
when the only result possible is that somebody
else burns the fossil fuels that we saved.
This is stupid. It's "Environmentalism" where
we accomplish NOTHING for the environment!
_________________
I have said on more than one occasion that I distrust that the problem of climate change seems a bit to hysterical to be completely genuine.
People, scientists, who don't agree with the consensus are treated as pariahs and have their jobs threatened and get lied about.
Does that mean the whole thing is manufactured?
I don't know.
I do suspect that when we are told that the solution is a drastic change of lifestyle, it has more to do with politics than science.
I sincerely hope that if it should be an oncoming catastrophe that there will be a way or ways to fix it.
I don't think it will be the end of the world and in some places it will be beneficial.
We have been told too many times that disaster was imminent only for it to be unwarranted hysteria.
I've read enough to believe there is chicanery on both sides.
Perhaps you could give a citation about being in the middle of an ice age and any other relevant info.

The only thing we can count on is that people will deny climate change
until something that adversely affects them personally, can be blamed
on climate change. Then people will put their faith in politicians to
fix things, in an instant, that took hundreds of years to induce at
no cost to them. Said politicians will, of course, satisfy their own
personal agendas of grandeur and power, while spending the people's
money frivolously on cures that don't work, but enrich them, and look
good.

There's a fine line between cynicism and honesty.

[JTEM]

Look. These idiots don't even know what "Climate
Change" means...

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The only thing we can count on is that people will deny climate change

"Climate Change" is not French for "Man Made Global
Warming That's Caused By All The Fossil Fuels Which
Are Going To Run Out Anyway."

The earth is inside the Quaternary period, an ice
age. "Climate Change" is a given. We are cycling
between lengthy glaciations and brief warm periods
called "Interglacials." We are at the very tail end
of an interglacial right now, with the glaciers
overdue to return.

"Climate Change" is like "Time change." With each
tic further & further past 12, we move ever closer
to the clock striking 12 again... even as we move
away we move closer...

Constant change.




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[JTEM]

Post by Cloud Hobbit
Perhaps you could give a citation about being in the middle of an ice age and any other relevant info.

Lol!

You're completely ignorant on the topic!

I want you to stay that way. I want the people
who do have curiosity, who do want to know the
fact, who do educate themselves on the issues
to look for themselves, google things like
"Interglacial period" and "Quaternary period"
so they can see what a fucking idiot you are &
always have been.




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[Cloud Hobbit]

Post by Cloud Hobbit
Perhaps you could give a citation about being in the middle of an ice age and any other relevant info.

Lol!

You're completely ignorant on the topic!

I want you to stay that way. I want the people
who do have curiosity, who do want to know the
fact, who do educate themselves on the issues
to look for themselves, google things like
"Interglacial period" and "Quaternary period"
so they can see what a fucking idiot you are &
always have been.
______________

Evasion noted.

[JTEM]

Post by Cloud Hobbit

Me! Me! Me!
google things like
"Interglacial period" and "Quaternary period"
so they can see what a fucking idiot you are &
always have been.

______________
Evasion noted.

So you have no clue what "Climate Change" OR
"Evasion" means.




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[Davej]

Post by JTEM
[...]
We're killing our own economy, our own jobs,
"Choosing" ridiculously expensive alternatives
just so other countries can burn the cheap
coal for fuel...

Coal is not cheaper.

"When measured in terms of the cost of fuel it takes to generate a megawatthour (MWh) of electricity, to account for the different efficiencies of power plants, the prices for natural gas and coal were relatively competitive for much of 2015. At the beginning of 2016, the national average price of natural gas was consistently below the cost of coal delivered to power plants, reaching a low point of about $16/MWh in March, while coal has averaged between $21/MWh and $23/MWh for the past two years."

From https://www.eia.gov/todayinenergy/detail.php?id=28832

Also coal burning produces more air pollutants, and poor air quality causes illness, and since US Healthcare is the most expensive in the world the lowering of air quality increases our total costs.

[JTEM]

All the "Global Warming" facts are fudged this

Post by Davej
Coal is not cheaper.

Coal is LOADS cheaper...

Post by Davej
"When measured in terms of the cost of fuel it takes to generate a megawatthour (MWh) of electricity

http://environment-ecology.com/what-is-energy/90-energy-units-and-calculators.html

You're comparing the efficiency of power plants,
not the fuel.

Coal plants are amongst the oldest and hence least
efficient.

In terms of BTUs -- AN HONEST COMPARISON -- coal
is about 1/5th the price of natural gas or oil.

True, you need a lot less oil to achieve the same
numbers, but that oil is going to cost you a lot
more.

Thank you for providing a textbook example of
how dishonest the "Global Warming" narrative is,
comparing power plants and pretending that you're
comparing fuel types.

Don't worry though, the Koolade guzzlers won't
even notice.





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[Gospel TT]

On Tue, 13 Mar 2018 02:58:30 -0700 (PDT), rumdum JTEM

I stink like poop.

I no.

[JTEM]

Wow. You're actually upset because I
don't wet my bed over the thought of
it getting slightly warmer during an
ice age.

Take your lithium.






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