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Health Check JES_NJE_SECURITY
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Jesse 1 Robinson
2018-02-28 19:37:22 UTC
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APAR OA49171 introduces a new health check called JES_NJE_SECURITY . I understand the motivation for it but I can't figure out how to satisfy the check's requirements. There's plenty of write-up available, but there lots of IFs and BUTs. Furthermore, there's reference to the &RACLNDE profile in the RACFVARS class. We have class RACFVARS active, but it contains no profiles.

I cannot find an example of how to create/update the &RACLNDE profile. Anyone have a clue?

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Tom Conley
2018-02-28 23:19:46 UTC
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Post by Jesse 1 Robinson
APAR OA49171 introduces a new health check called JES_NJE_SECURITY . I understand the motivation for it but I can't figure out how to satisfy the check's requirements. There's plenty of write-up available, but there lots of IFs and BUTs. Furthermore, there's reference to the &RACLNDE profile in the RACFVARS class. We have class RACFVARS active, but it contains no profiles.
I cannot find an example of how to create/update the &RACLNDE profile. Anyone have a clue?
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J.O.Skip Robinson
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Skip,

I ran these on 1/5/18 to fix this check:

RDEFINE RACFVARS &RACLNDE UACC(NONE) OWNER(<sysprog group>)
RALTER RACFVARS &RACLNDE ADDMEM(<your JES node>) (add one for each
node)
SETROPTS CLASSACT(RACFVARS) RACLIST(RACFVARS)

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Tom Conley

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Jesse 1 Robinson
2018-02-28 23:27:14 UTC
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I did the same thing but get new complaints:

IAZH104I Informational messages issued by IRRNJECK

IAZH105I None of the input node names are matched by a NODES class
profile with a UACC greater than READ.

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Post by Jesse 1 Robinson
APAR OA49171 introduces a new health check called JES_NJE_SECURITY . I understand the motivation for it but I can't figure out how to satisfy the check's requirements. There's plenty of write-up available, but there lots of IFs and BUTs. Furthermore, there's reference to the &RACLNDE profile in the RACFVARS class. We have class RACFVARS active, but it contains no profiles.
I cannot find an example of how to create/update the &RACLNDE profile. Anyone have a clue?
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J.O.Skip Robinson
Southern California Edison Company
Electric Dragon Team Paddler
SHARE MVS Program Co-Manager
323-715-0595 Mobile
626-543-6132 Office <===== NEW
Skip,

I ran these on 1/5/18 to fix this check:

RDEFINE RACFVARS &RACLNDE UACC(NONE) OWNER(<sysprog group>) RALTER RACFVARS &RACLNDE ADDMEM(<your JES node>) (add one for each
node)
SETROPTS CLASSACT(RACFVARS) RACLIST(RACFVARS)

Regards,
Tom Conley

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Walt Farrell
2018-03-01 01:19:44 UTC
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Post by Tom Conley
RDEFINE RACFVARS &RACLNDE UACC(NONE) OWNER(<sysprog group>)
RALTER RACFVARS &RACLNDE ADDMEM(<your JES node>) (add one for each
node)
SETROPTS CLASSACT(RACFVARS) RACLIST(RACFVARS)
You should be careful with that, Tom. &RACLNDE should only contain the names of nodes whose RACF databases are identical to each other, at least with respect to the users, groups, and user-group connections that are defined. Having a node listed in &RACLNDE will have a strong effect on security processing (mainly the propagation of submitter identity) for jobs submitted from that node to other nodes in your JES2 network.
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Jesse 1 Robinson
2018-03-01 03:13:20 UTC
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Barbara Nitz
2018-03-01 06:19:16 UTC
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Post by Jesse 1 Robinson
Ouch. I never saw Walt's proviso mentioned in the doc. Yes, these nodes are all totally under our control. However each node (sysplex) constitutes a different business environment supported by a different RACF data base. A person may have the same userid on sandbox and on production, but they do not necessarily have the same authority on both. Both represent the same person but not necessarily the same role.
We need to reassess our goal here.
On all of my systems that health check ends with
HZS1002E CHECK(IBMJES,JES_NJE_SECURITY):
AN ERROR OCCURRED, DIAG: 00000300_00000004

In the (sysprog) sandplex running mixed with 2.1 and 2.3 we don't get the rc12 anymore, it has downgraded itself to a rc 4 check on both systems. And we haven't done anything to fix anything. NJE isn't even used/active on that sysplex even though there are a few definitions in preparation of NJE.

I read the check as having to give those nodes a password (read: certificate) somewhere. Which may prove interesting since we have an external NJE node in production. Not being very familiar with JES2 or network configuration, I found the explanations in the check text fairly incomprehensible.

Barbara

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R.S.
2018-03-01 13:45:55 UTC
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Post by Jesse 1 Robinson
APAR OA49171 introduces a new health check called JES_NJE_SECURITY . I understand the motivation for it but I can't figure out how to satisfy the check's requirements. There's plenty of write-up available, but there lots of IFs and BUTs. Furthermore, there's reference to the &RACLNDE profile in the RACFVARS class. We have class RACFVARS active, but it contains no profiles.
I cannot find an example of how to create/update the &RACLNDE profile. Anyone have a clue?
In general you should keep in mind it's ONLY a healthcheck, some general
rule of thumb, but your mileage may vary.
For this case:
1. Do you have NJE?
2. Do you think your NJE configuration is secured properly? Can you
check it with someone responsible for that?

Now details: &RACLNDE may or may not be needed in your setup. Use of
&RACLNDE may or may not be security hole. See RACF Security Guide and
Walt's response.
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Jesse 1 Robinson
2018-03-01 17:10:43 UTC
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The immediate goal is to enable a health check, but as Walt pointed out, the JES2 and/or RACF changes required may affect NJE processing in unintended ways. Yes we have NJE, but we're not prepared to take chances with current functionality until we learn more about possible consequences. For now we plan to disable the check as RSU maintenance rolls out.

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Post by Jesse 1 Robinson
APAR OA49171 introduces a new health check called JES_NJE_SECURITY . I understand the motivation for it but I can't figure out how to satisfy the check's requirements. There's plenty of write-up available, but there lots of IFs and BUTs. Furthermore, there's reference to the &RACLNDE profile in the RACFVARS class. We have class RACFVARS active, but it contains no profiles.
I cannot find an example of how to create/update the &RACLNDE profile. Anyone have a clue?
In general you should keep in mind it's ONLY a healthcheck, some general rule of thumb, but your mileage may vary.
For this case:
1. Do you have NJE?
2. Do you think your NJE configuration is secured properly? Can you check it with someone responsible for that?

Now details: &RACLNDE may or may not be needed in your setup. Use of &RACLNDE may or may not be security hole. See RACF Security Guide and Walt's response.

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David Magee
2018-03-01 18:45:23 UTC
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Is is possible to add the &RACLNDE profile (with possibly a dummy MEMBER subentry) as WARNING to the RACFVARS Class? Then monitor for the Temporary Access Allowed condition and use that information to build your ADDMEMs to the &RACLNDE profile over time?

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Lou Losee
2018-03-01 19:33:13 UTC
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Hi David,
The problem with that approach is that checks against the &RACLNDE profile
will also be made for NJE jobs that are not local to the RACF database.
The purpose of the profile is to allow JES/RACF to make a decision as to
whether the submitter is a local user.

Lou

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Post by David Magee
Is is possible to add the &RACLNDE profile (with possibly a dummy MEMBER
subentry) as WARNING to the RACFVARS Class? Then monitor for the
Temporary Access Allowed condition and use that information to build your
ADDMEMs to the &RACLNDE profile over time?
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Walt Farrell
2018-03-01 21:53:21 UTC
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Post by Jesse 1 Robinson
Ouch. I never saw Walt's proviso mentioned in the doc. Yes, these nodes are all totally under our control. However each node (sysplex) constitutes a different business environment supported by a different RACF data base. A person may have the same userid on sandbox and on production, but they do not necessarily have the same authority on both. Both represent the same person but not necessarily the same role.
We need to reassess our goal here.
The user's permissions don't really matter. What's important for inclusion in &RACLNDE is that the same user IDs exist (and represent the same human users), and the same groups exist, and the same user-to-group connections exist in the RACF databases for the nodes you list in &RACLNDE.

You should be able to find more in the RACF documentation, or you could inquire on RACF-L since the content of &RACLNDE is more appropriately (in my opinion, at least) a RACF topic not a JES topic :)
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Walt Farrell
2018-03-01 21:57:06 UTC
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Is is possible to add the &RACLNDE profile (with possibly a dummy MEMBER subentry) as WARNING to the RACFVARS Class? Then monitor for the >Temporary Access Allowed condition and use that information to build your ADDMEMs to the &RACLNDE profile over time?
No. It's not an access check being done. The &RACLNDE profile is an information repository used by RACF while processing inbound NJE work (jobs, sysout), and the presence of the source node name in the member list controls what processing is done during authentication of the inbound work.
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Jesse 1 Robinson
2018-03-01 22:45:26 UTC
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Some of our nodes are connected via store-and-forward, so I don't think we can specify DIRECT=YES without also changing topology. Similar concern for SUBNET, which is not currently defined. All nodes belong to us and are managed by the same group of folks. That means that a userid on one node represents the same individual on another node, but I can't speak to GROUP membership, which could easily vary according to business roles.

SHARE is coming up. I'll buttonhole some JES folks there for their advice.

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Subject: (External):Re: Health Check JES_NJE_SECURITY
Is is possible to add the &RACLNDE profile (with possibly a dummy MEMBER subentry) as WARNING to the RACFVARS Class? Then monitor for the >Temporary Access Allowed condition and use that information to build your ADDMEMs to the &RACLNDE profile over time?
No. It's not an access check being done. The &RACLNDE profile is an information repository used by RACF while processing inbound NJE work (jobs, sysout), and the presence of the source node name in the member list controls what processing is done during authentication of the inbound work.

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