Post by defaultPost by aaaPost by defaultPost by aaaPost by defaultPost by aaaPost by KevrobPost by defaultPost by BobPost by BobPost by defaultIt helps to be gullible and believe in ghosts...
Being gullible will only help someone to believe the Bible.
It won't do a thing to aid in understanding the Bible.
If one is capable of understanding, one couldn't ignore the contradictions.
You've got it backwards.
With the Bible, if one sees contradictions it's because they do not
understand what they have read.
Not true. The religions that use the bible to hold people, have been
refining their technique for thousands of years. They have the talent
to make up work-arounds to try to explain things when they've painted
themselves into corners.
AND truth be told, they are dealing with some amazingly gullible
people. No mental giants among the religious...
IF the Holy Spirit (one leg of the Christian Trinity) was inspiring
people to understand the Christian Scriptures, one would expect a
bit more agreement among the Christians about what those scriptures mean.
instead, we have competing groups claiming that they have the proper
interpretation.
It is still a circular argument. The babble proves there's a ghod,
but you need that ghod's intervention to understand what you read,
but the very verses in the babble that support the idea of the trinity
and the existence of a Holy Ghost or Holy Spirit are disputed among
various flavors of Christians. the snake continues to eat its tail.
The Bible doesn't need to prove God. God wrote the Bible to teach us the
truth. God's existence is not a question. It's a precondition to
understand the Bible truth. If you are interested in the truth, you are
required to believe in God. Otherwise, the Bible is just another book.
It will not help you in any other way. So the circular logic you are
suggesting doesn't apply. No one needs to prove God. That's because it's
faith instead of logic that will save people from evil and sin.
I suspect a lobotomy would go a long ways towards "understanding" the
bible.
What makes you say that? What do you know about understanding the Bible?
The bible cannot be "understood," it is chock full of contradictions.
Anyone saying they "understand," must either be delusional or insane.
(and I tend to regard such delusion a form of insanity, so it is a
redundant statement)
It's very unfortunate for you to say that. The Bible is God's
philosophical teaching to teach us God's absolute truth. It's no
ordinary teaching. It can't be fully understood as an ordinary book. If
you don't want to read the Bible from a philosophical point of view to
search for the unimaginable and unperceivable ultimate truth of God, you
are indeed not going to understand the Bible.
What, pray tell, is "absolute truth?" After all a thing is either
true or false, there is no gray area there.
The absolute truth is what made the thing to be true or false. You can
not know whether a thing is true or false unless you can rely on the
absolute truth to make a judgment. So, it's the truth that judges a
thing to be true or not. You, being an ignorant person, can not make
such judgment even though you don't realize it.
Post by defaultAh but it is an "ordinary book." This particular ordinary book can't
even trace it's provenance. None of the bible is derived from
original autographical manuscripts. Bits and pieces come from hither
an yon, and there's no way to check the authenticity or veracity of
translation.
That doesn't matter. God's truth transcends the actual Bible
description. No matter how you write the Bible, the truth will never be
affected.
Post by defaultNothing it the bible can be verified and all attempts to verify it
have (so far) failed.
That's part of the original plan. If you can rely on the things
described in the Bible, you would not need to rely on the Bible truth.
Then you would not have the incentive to search for the Bible truth.
Without searching for the truth, you would never understand the truth.
So the very purpose of the Bible to teach us the truth would have failed.
Post by defaultNow, from a philosophical viewpoint there's a lot of good shit in the
bible; noble shit, worthy shit, awesome shit. But there's a lot of
really evil, mind twisting, spirit crushing, dark shit as well.
That's why the Bible can be a very inspiring book for people to read.
There is always something to be learned and understood from the Bible.
There is no limit.
Post by defaultA 'good' book wouldn't tell you to kill babies, cheat people, stone
people, prostitute women, etc., as the OT bible does.
Then you have a very narrow understanding about what constitutes as
good. The Bible is not telling you to kill or cheat. It simply describes
what has happened. It's for you to make a sensible judgment according to
the truth. In doing so, you would have realized the truth if God is willing.
Post by defaultPost by aaaPost by defaultPost by aaaPost by defaultIf it weren't for the side effects (drooling and stepping into
traffic) the churches would be lobotomy clinics.
That church is a human organization that can always be criticized either
rightly or wrongly. We are imperfect humans forming imperfect
organizations. There is nothing wrong to be criticized for our
imperfections. So what does it have to do with the Bible?
Now you say that religions (by their very nature) will be wrong, or
wrong on occasion. AND these same imperfect organizations have a
magical ability to judge the bible as incapable of being wrong? How
can that be?
There is no human authority that can judge the Bible. The only authority
of the Bible is the Bible truth. Those who can understand the truth will
be living with God day and night. Those who can't understand the truth
will never know what exactly the Bible is talking about.
If no human authority can judge the veracity of the bible, no human
should assume the bible is anything but a seriously big load of horse
shit!
No. The truth rules in all things. It doesn't matter what any kind of
authority has to say.
Post by defaultCircular reasoning isn't reasoning.
There is no circular reasoning possible. The Bible truth is absolute.
There is no other truth that can replace the Bible truth. So there is
nothing else to circle around.
Post by defaultPost by aaaPost by defaultYou may like to think that god is perfect, but then how can an
imperfect creature like man determine that god is perfect? Could not
the imperfect creature making the judgment about god be wrong?
Of course the judgement of human mind can always be wrong, but the
realization of the truth from the human heart is never going to be
wrong. It's salvation and it's enlightenment. It's the best thing that
will ever happen to a human being on earth. When that happens, one will
automatically know how wonderfully written the Bible is.
The heart? You mean a blood pumping organ that has nothing to do with
sentience? Or a some vague emotional feeling that you are dependent
on?
There is nothing vague about the passionate love and wisdom coming from
the heart.
Post by defaultYou think I should bow down to your delusion because you are
emotional? Get a grip!
The passion of the heart has nothing to do with the emotion of the mind.
The emotion of the mind is not reliable, but the passion of the heart is
always real and true.