Third of farmed fruit and veg deemed 'too ugly to sell'

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Yet Norman reckons we have a food crisis.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-business-45238732


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Yet Norman reckons we have a food crisis.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-business-45238732

What do you think processors use to produce pies, soups, sauces,
veggiburgers, veggie sausages, instant mash, oven chips etc etc etc?

And where do you think they get them?

[p-0''0-h the cat (coder)]

Post by Norman Wells

Post by p-0''0-h the cat (coder)
Yet Norman reckons we have a food crisis.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-business-45238732

What do you think processors use to produce pies, soups, sauces,
veggiburgers, veggie sausages, instant mash, oven chips etc etc etc?
And where do you think they get them?

"A University of Edinburgh study found more than 50 million tonnes of
fruit and vegetables grown across Europe were discarded each year.

This was in part because they did not meet consumers' expectations of
how they should look."

Try harder.

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Post by Norman Wells

Post by p-0''0-h the cat (coder)
Yet Norman reckons we have a food crisis.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-business-45238732

What do you think processors use to produce pies, soups, sauces,
veggiburgers, veggie sausages, instant mash, oven chips etc etc etc?
And where do you think they get them?

"A University of Edinburgh study found more than 50 million tonnes of
fruit and vegetables grown across Europe were discarded each year.
This was in part because they did not meet consumers' expectations of
how they should look."
Try harder.

How they look doesn't matter to processors. That's where the wonky ones
go. It's a very efficient system.

If you're hanging on the word 'discarded', that just means they don't go
to the supermarkets as Grade A produce but go to processors instead.

If you think they're just 'thrown away', you don't know farmers very well.

[p-0''0-h the cat (coder)]

Post by Norman Wells

Post by p-0''0-h the cat (coder)

Post by Norman Wells

Post by p-0''0-h the cat (coder)
Yet Norman reckons we have a food crisis.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-business-45238732

What do you think processors use to produce pies, soups, sauces,
veggiburgers, veggie sausages, instant mash, oven chips etc etc etc?
And where do you think they get them?

"A University of Edinburgh study found more than 50 million tonnes of
fruit and vegetables grown across Europe were discarded each year.
This was in part because they did not meet consumers' expectations of
how they should look."
Try harder.

How they look doesn't matter to processors. That's where the wonky ones
go. It's a very efficient system.
If you're hanging on the word 'discarded', that just means they don't go
to the supermarkets as Grade A produce but go to processors instead.
If you think they're just 'thrown away', you don't know farmers very well.

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2016/jul/13/us-food-waste-ugly-fruit-vegetables-perfect

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Post by Norman Wells

Post by p-0''0-h the cat (coder)
Yet Norman reckons we have a food crisis.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-business-45238732

What do you think processors use to produce pies, soups, sauces,
veggiburgers, veggie sausages, instant mash, oven chips etc etc etc?
And where do you think they get them?

"A University of Edinburgh study found more than 50 million tonnes of
fruit and vegetables grown across Europe were discarded each year.
This was in part because they did not meet consumers' expectations of
how they should look."
Try harder.

How they look doesn't matter to processors. That's where the wonky ones
go. It's a very efficient system.

And presumably your lack of a link, to the evidence you have for how many
tons go to the processors each year, is merely an oversight on your part.

If you're hanging on the word 'discarded', that just means they don't go
to the supermarkets as Grade A produce but go to processors instead.

Presumably your lack of a link to your evidence for your statement, is simply
an oversight.

If you think they're just 'thrown away', you don't know farmers very well.

I bet you know lots of farmers.

How many of them sell fruit and veg to soup companies?

No need to be shy, as we know you have all the figures to hand.

[BurfordTJustice]

"Fruitiest of Fruitcakes" <***@bungay.com> wrote in message news:***@news.giganews.com...
: On 19 Aug 2018, Norman Wells wrote
: (in article <***@mid.individual.net>):
:
: > On 19/08/2018 18:58, p-0''0-h the cat (coder) wrote:
: > > On Sun, 19 Aug 2018 18:26:43 +0100, Norman Wells <***@unseen.ac.am>
: > > wrote:
: > >
: > > > On 19/08/2018 17:26, p-0''0-h the cat (coder) wrote:
: > > > >
: > > > > Yet Norman reckons we have a food crisis.
: > > > >
: > > > > https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-business-45238732
: > > >
: > > > What do you think processors use to produce pies, soups, sauces,
: > > > veggiburgers, veggie sausages, instant mash, oven chips etc etc etc?
: > > >
: > > > And where do you think they get them?
: > >
: > > "A University of Edinburgh study found more than 50 million tonnes of
: > > fruit and vegetables grown across Europe were discarded each year.
: > >
: > > This was in part because they did not meet consumers' expectations of
: > > how they should look."
: > >
: > > Try harder.
: >
: > How they look doesn't matter to processors. That's where the wonky ones
: > go. It's a very efficient system.
:
: And presumably your lack of a link, to the evidence you have for how many
: tons go to the processors each year, is merely an oversight on your part.
:
: >
: >
: > If you're hanging on the word 'discarded', that just means they don't go
: > to the supermarkets as Grade A produce but go to processors instead.
:
: Presumably your lack of a link to your evidence for your statement, is
simply
: an oversight.
:
: >
: >
: > If you think they're just 'thrown away', you don't know farmers very
well.
:
: I bet you know lots of farmers.
:
: How many of them sell fruit and veg to soup companies?
:
: No need to be shy, as we know you have all the figures to hand.
:
:

[Norman Wells]

Post by Fruitiest of Fruitcakes

Post by p-0''0-h the cat (coder)

Post by Norman Wells

Post by p-0''0-h the cat (coder)
Yet Norman reckons we have a food crisis.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-business-45238732

What do you think processors use to produce pies, soups, sauces,
veggiburgers, veggie sausages, instant mash, oven chips etc etc etc?
And where do you think they get them?

"A University of Edinburgh study found more than 50 million tonnes of
fruit and vegetables grown across Europe were discarded each year.
This was in part because they did not meet consumers' expectations of
how they should look."
Try harder.

How they look doesn't matter to processors. That's where the wonky ones
go. It's a very efficient system.

And presumably your lack of a link, to the evidence you have for how many
tons go to the processors each year, is merely an oversight on your part.

If you're hanging on the word 'discarded', that just means they don't go
to the supermarkets as Grade A produce but go to processors instead.

Presumably your lack of a link to your evidence for your statement, is simply
an oversight.

Where do you think processors get their supplies from? And of what do
they consist?

Food processing is a big business. You can't just ignore it.

Post by Fruitiest of Fruitcakes

If you think they're just 'thrown away', you don't know farmers very well.

I bet you know lots of farmers.

Quite a lot, yes.

Post by Fruitiest of Fruitcakes
How many of them sell fruit and veg to soup companies?
No need to be shy, as we know you have all the figures to hand.

All of those who produce 'sub-standard' wonky veg.

They're not daft, even if you'd like to think that.

[pensive hamster]

[...]

Post by Norman Wells
Where do you think processors get their supplies from? And of what do
they consist?
Food processing is a big business. You can't just ignore it.

Post by Fruitiest of Fruitcakes

Post by Norman Wells
If you think they're just 'thrown away', you don't know farmers very well.

I bet you know lots of farmers.

Quite a lot, yes.

Post by Fruitiest of Fruitcakes
How many of them sell fruit and veg to soup companies?
No need to be shy, as we know you have all the figures to hand.

All of those who produce 'sub-standard' wonky veg.
They're not daft, even if you'd like to think that.

But the Guardian article linked to earlier says:

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2016/jul/13/us-food-waste-ugly-fruit-vegetables-perfect

'... Vast quantities of fresh produce grown in the US are left in the
field to rot, fed to livestock or hauled directly from the field to landfill,
because of unrealistic and unyielding cosmetic standards, according
to official data and interviews with dozens of farmers, packers,
truckers, researchers, campaigners and government officials.'

Perhaps people just aren't buying enough soup.

[Handsome Jack]

Post by p-0''0-h the cat (coder)
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2016/jul/13/us-food-waste-ugly-f
ruit-vegetables-perfect
'... Vast quantities of fresh produce grown in the US are left in the
field to rot, fed to livestock or hauled directly from the field to landfill,
because of unrealistic and unyielding cosmetic standards, according
to official data and interviews with dozens of farmers, packers,
truckers, researchers, campaigners and government officials.'

The trouble with such articles is that the reporter could be choosing to
cite only the interviewees that expressed his preferred point of view,
while discarding those that said there was no big problem. When you know
the news channel is heavily biased, as the Guardian is regarding
environmentalism, that is a significant risk.

[JNugent]

Post by Handsome Jack

Post by p-0''0-h the cat (coder)
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2016/jul/13/us-food-waste-ugly-f
ruit-vegetables-perfect
'... Vast quantities of fresh produce grown in the US are left in the
field to rot, fed to livestock or hauled directly from the field to landfill,
because of unrealistic and unyielding cosmetic standards, according
to official data and interviews with dozens of farmers, packers,
truckers, researchers, campaigners and government officials.'

The trouble with such articles is that the reporter could be choosing to
cite only the interviewees that expressed his preferred point of view,
while discarding those that said there was no big problem. When you know
the news channel is heavily biased, as the Guardian is regarding
environmentalism, that is a significant risk.

And in a country where agricultural produce is so plentiful, what is
wrong with feeding some of it to livestock, or even "wasting" it by
composting it in the field?

It isn't as though there can be many people in the USA who are
under-nourished, as a cursory glance around any American street soon
confirms.

[pensive hamster]

Post by JNugent

pensive hamster posted

Post by p-0''0-h the cat (coder)
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2016/jul/13/us-food-waste-ugly-f
ruit-vegetables-perfect
'... Vast quantities of fresh produce grown in the US are left in the
field to rot, fed to livestock or hauled directly from the field to landfill,
because of unrealistic and unyielding cosmetic standards, according
to official data and interviews with dozens of farmers, packers,
truckers, researchers, campaigners and government officials.'

The trouble with such articles is that the reporter could be choosing to
cite only the interviewees that expressed his preferred point of view,
while discarding those that said there was no big problem. When you know
the news channel is heavily biased, as the Guardian is regarding
environmentalism, that is a significant risk.

And in a country where agricultural produce is so plentiful, what is
wrong with feeding some of it to livestock, or even "wasting" it by
composting it in the field?

Composting it in the field is fine, composting it in landfill, not so
fine:

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2016/jul/13/us-food-waste-ugly-fruit-vegetables-perfect

'... Within the US, discarded food is the biggest single component
of landfill and incinerators, according to the Environmental Protection
Agency. Food dumps are a rising source of methane, a far more
powerful greenhouse gas than carbon dioxide. But experts readily
acknowledge that they are only beginning to come to grips with the
scale of the problem. ...'

Post by JNugent
It isn't as though there can be many people in the USA who are
under-nourished, as a cursory glance around any American street soon
confirms.

[Norman Wells]

Post by p-0''0-h the cat (coder)
[...]

Post by Norman Wells
Where do you think processors get their supplies from? And of what do
they consist?
Food processing is a big business. You can't just ignore it.

Post by Fruitiest of Fruitcakes

Post by Norman Wells
If you think they're just 'thrown away', you don't know farmers very well.

I bet you know lots of farmers.

Quite a lot, yes.

Post by Fruitiest of Fruitcakes
How many of them sell fruit and veg to soup companies?
No need to be shy, as we know you have all the figures to hand.

All of those who produce 'sub-standard' wonky veg.
They're not daft, even if you'd like to think that.

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2016/jul/13/us-food-waste-ugly-fruit-vegetables-perfect
'... Vast quantities of fresh produce grown in the US are left in the
field to rot, fed to livestock or hauled directly from the field to landfill,
because of unrealistic and unyielding cosmetic standards, according
to official data and interviews with dozens of farmers, packers,
truckers, researchers, campaigners and government officials.'
Perhaps people just aren't buying enough soup.

No. Maybe it's shifting ground, as it always is with those with an agenda.

We were talking about a University of Edinburgh study of 'Europe',
whereas you now seem to be talking about the USA. And all this in a UK
group. Do you want me to argue the case for Europe, the world, or the UK?

The USA is absolutely vast. Any quantities you talk about are going to
be huge. It is also more than self-sufficient in food, so conservation
of everything they produce is not an absolute priority. Supply exceeds
demand. That keeps prices low, and that means everyone can be wasteful
if that's the way they're inclined.

The pressure is on the farmers to produce what the market wants to buy.
Even if the supermarkets were prepared to take their wonky veg, it
wouldn't help. There's plenty of the 'perfect' stuff available, and the
people aren't going to stuff themselves even fuller when they've had
enough already.

It seems distasteful to us for the Americans to be profligate with food
because we here are not self-sufficient, and we of course are sensitive
to starvation and hardships elsewhere in the world which we think the
Americans aren't. But the surpluses produced in the USA are mainly of
perishable items that can't possibly be transported thousands of miles
and distributed to the natives in deepest darkest Africa whilst
remaining edible. So, that just isn't a possibility.

Here in the UK, supply does not exceed demand in the vast majority of
agricultural crops. That keeps prices high, so we have more regard for
anything we produce, and avoid waste wherever possible. Supermarkets
cream off the best of the crop for direct sale to consumers. Wonky veg
goes to processors. If there is any surplus after that, which will be
rare because we are not self-sufficient in food, it will go as animal
feed. You want animals? They have to be fed somehow.

How much goes in each direction is not easy to determine, especially
from the greenie publications that would have you believe, because of
the agenda they're pushing, that we 'waste' an awful lot. They tend to
lump together all food sent for processing or animal feed as 'waste',
when it's clearly not. It's all being used for necessary purposes.

They can't see an inch beyond what ends up on supermarket shelves.

[pensive hamster]

[...]

Post by Norman Wells

Post by p-0''0-h the cat (coder)
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2016/jul/13/us-food-waste-ugly-fruit-vegetables-perfect
'... Vast quantities of fresh produce grown in the US are left in the
field to rot, fed to livestock or hauled directly from the field to landfill,
because of unrealistic and unyielding cosmetic standards, according
to official data and interviews with dozens of farmers, packers,
truckers, researchers, campaigners and government officials.'
Perhaps people just aren't buying enough soup.

No. Maybe it's shifting ground, as it always is with those with an agenda.
We were talking about a University of Edinburgh study of 'Europe',
whereas you now seem to be talking about the USA. And all this in a UK
group. Do you want me to argue the case for Europe, the world, or the UK?

Why limit yourself? Go Global. From the Guardian article:

'...Globally, about one-third of food is wasted: 1.6bn tonnes of
produce a year, with a value of about $1tn. If this wasted food
were stacked in 20-cubic metre skips, it would fill 80m of them,
enough to reach all the way to the moon, and encircle it once.
Taking action to tackle this is not impossible, as countries like
Denmark have shown. ...'

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2016/jul/13/how-did-denmark-become-a-leader-in-the-food-waste-revolution
'How did Denmark become a leader in the food waste revolution?

' A six-year-old sniffs asparagus suspiciously as his father grapples
with a grapefruit and several women admire a selection of cabbages,
in search of a bargain.

“Everyone pays 20 kroner (about £2) for a reusable bag to fill with
whatever they like,” says Bettina Bach, 31, of Bo Welfare, a social
housing project in the Danish city of Horsens that runs the food
waste pop-up shop. ...'

Post by Norman Wells
The USA is absolutely vast. Any quantities you talk about are going to
be huge. It is also more than self-sufficient in food, so conservation
of everything they produce is not an absolute priority. Supply exceeds
demand. That keeps prices low, and that means everyone can be wasteful
if that's the way they're inclined.
The pressure is on the farmers to produce what the market wants to buy.
Even if the supermarkets were prepared to take their wonky veg, it
wouldn't help. There's plenty of the 'perfect' stuff available, and the
people aren't going to stuff themselves even fuller when they've had
enough already.
It seems distasteful to us for the Americans to be profligate with food
because we here are not self-sufficient, and we of course are sensitive
to starvation and hardships elsewhere in the world which we think the
Americans aren't. But the surpluses produced in the USA are mainly of
perishable items that can't possibly be transported thousands of miles
and distributed to the natives in deepest darkest Africa whilst
remaining edible. So, that just isn't a possibility.
Here in the UK, supply does not exceed demand in the vast majority of
agricultural crops. That keeps prices high, so we have more regard for
anything we produce, and avoid waste wherever possible. Supermarkets
cream off the best of the crop for direct sale to consumers. Wonky veg
goes to processors. If there is any surplus after that, which will be
rare because we are not self-sufficient in food, it will go as animal
feed. You want animals? They have to be fed somehow.
How much goes in each direction is not easy to determine, especially
from the greenie publications that would have you believe, because of
the agenda they're pushing, that we 'waste' an awful lot. They tend to
lump together all food sent for processing or animal feed as 'waste',
when it's clearly not. It's all being used for necessary purposes.
They can't see an inch beyond what ends up on supermarket shelves.

[Norman Wells]

[...]

Post by Norman Wells

Post by p-0''0-h the cat (coder)
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2016/jul/13/us-food-waste-ugly-fruit-vegetables-perfect
'... Vast quantities of fresh produce grown in the US are left in the
field to rot, fed to livestock or hauled directly from the field to landfill,
because of unrealistic and unyielding cosmetic standards, according
to official data and interviews with dozens of farmers, packers,
truckers, researchers, campaigners and government officials.'
Perhaps people just aren't buying enough soup.

No. Maybe it's shifting ground, as it always is with those with an agenda.
We were talking about a University of Edinburgh study of 'Europe',
whereas you now seem to be talking about the USA. And all this in a UK
group. Do you want me to argue the case for Europe, the world, or the UK?

Define 'wasted'. Where are the data leading to this conclusion? What
counts and what doesn't? Why does no-one who repeats this mindless
mantra ever say?

[pensive hamster]

Post by Norman Wells

[...]

Post by Norman Wells

Post by p-0''0-h the cat (coder)
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2016/jul/13/us-food-waste-ugly-fruit-vegetables-perfect
'... Vast quantities of fresh produce grown in the US are left in the
field to rot, fed to livestock or hauled directly from the field to landfill,
because of unrealistic and unyielding cosmetic standards, according
to official data and interviews with dozens of farmers, packers,
truckers, researchers, campaigners and government officials.'
Perhaps people just aren't buying enough soup.

No. Maybe it's shifting ground, as it always is with those with an agenda.
We were talking about a University of Edinburgh study of 'Europe',
whereas you now seem to be talking about the USA. And all this in a UK
group. Do you want me to argue the case for Europe, the world, or the UK?

Define 'wasted'. Where are the data leading to this conclusion? What
counts and what doesn't? Why does no-one who repeats this mindless
mantra ever say?

Google not working down your way?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-13364178
11 May 2011
'One third of world's food is wasted, says UN study'

'... The UN study, by the Swedish Institute for Food and Biotechnology,
was aimed at an international trade fair for the food packaging industry,
to be held in Germany later this month.

'... Commissioned by the UN Food and Agriculture Organisation (FAO),
it distinguishes between food loss and food waste.

'Losses happen during the production, processing and distribution of food.
They affect developing countries worst. The answer is to improve
technology and infrastructure, the study says.

'Food waste is the big issue in industrialised countries. It is mainly due to
retailers and consumers throwing perfectly edible food into the bin.

'Waste amounts to around 100kg (more than 200lb) per consumer in
Europe and North America every year. ...'

[Norman Wells]

Post by pensive hamster

Post by Norman Wells

[...]

Post by Norman Wells

Post by p-0''0-h the cat (coder)
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2016/jul/13/us-food-waste-ugly-fruit-vegetables-perfect
'... Vast quantities of fresh produce grown in the US are left in the
field to rot, fed to livestock or hauled directly from the field to landfill,
because of unrealistic and unyielding cosmetic standards, according
to official data and interviews with dozens of farmers, packers,
truckers, researchers, campaigners and government officials.'
Perhaps people just aren't buying enough soup.

No. Maybe it's shifting ground, as it always is with those with an agenda.
We were talking about a University of Edinburgh study of 'Europe',
whereas you now seem to be talking about the USA. And all this in a UK
group. Do you want me to argue the case for Europe, the world, or the UK?

Define 'wasted'. Where are the data leading to this conclusion? What
counts and what doesn't? Why does no-one who repeats this mindless
mantra ever say?

Google not working down your way?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-13364178
11 May 2011
'One third of world's food is wasted, says UN study'
'... The UN study, by the Swedish Institute for Food and Biotechnology,
was aimed at an international trade fair for the food packaging industry,
to be held in Germany later this month.
'... Commissioned by the UN Food and Agriculture Organisation (FAO),
it distinguishes between food loss and food waste.
'Losses happen during the production, processing and distribution of food.
They affect developing countries worst. The answer is to improve
technology and infrastructure, the study says.
'Food waste is the big issue in industrialised countries. It is mainly due to
retailers

Is it?

"Less than 1% of food at Tesco in the UK is wasted."

https://www.tescoplc.com/little-helps-plan/products-food-waste/

"We have made a commitment that no food that’s safe for human
consumption will go to waste from our UK retail operations by the end of
2017/18."

"Since 2009 no food from Tesco has gone to landfill"

https://www.tescoplc.com/little-helps-plan/products-food-waste/

Post by pensive hamster
and consumers throwing perfectly edible food into the bin.

Do you? I've raised this many times before here, when the usual mantra
is repeated that consumers throw away one-third of all the food they
buy. No-one knows where this figure comes from, no-one admits to it,
and no-one knows anyone who gets anywhere near it. It's a figure with a
life of its own that gets endlessly repeated but has no substance when
examined.

When you look at it, it includes all sorts of things that are not
actually edible and never were. Things like banana peel, orange skins,
pineapple and melon skins, potato peelings, teabags, chicken bones,
cabbage stalks, apple cores, leftover tea, and so on. It's a dishonest
amount, repeated to alarm and disgust, in order obviously to further
someone's agenda. Of stuff that was once edible, my estimate of waste
is considerably under 10%.

Post by pensive hamster
'Waste amounts to around 100kg (more than 200lb) per consumer in
Europe and North America every year. ...'

It doesn't as far as I'm concerned. Does it as far as you are? If not,
when all the evidence is against it, why do you believe it?

[tim...]

Post by Norman Wells

Post by pensive hamster

Post by Norman Wells

[...]

Post by Norman Wells

Post by p-0''0-h the cat (coder)
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2016/jul/13/us-food-waste-ugly-fruit-vegetables-perfect
'... Vast quantities of fresh produce grown in the US are left in the
field to rot, fed to livestock or hauled directly from the field to landfill,
because of unrealistic and unyielding cosmetic standards, according
to official data and interviews with dozens of farmers, packers,
truckers, researchers, campaigners and government officials.'
Perhaps people just aren't buying enough soup.

No. Maybe it's shifting ground, as it always is with those with an agenda.
We were talking about a University of Edinburgh study of 'Europe',
whereas you now seem to be talking about the USA. And all this in a UK
group. Do you want me to argue the case for Europe, the world, or the UK?

Define 'wasted'. Where are the data leading to this conclusion? What
counts and what doesn't? Why does no-one who repeats this mindless
mantra ever say?

Google not working down your way?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-13364178
11 May 2011
'One third of world's food is wasted, says UN study'
'... The UN study, by the Swedish Institute for Food and Biotechnology,
was aimed at an international trade fair for the food packaging industry,
to be held in Germany later this month.
'... Commissioned by the UN Food and Agriculture Organisation (FAO),
it distinguishes between food loss and food waste.
'Losses happen during the production, processing and distribution of food.
They affect developing countries worst. The answer is to improve
technology and infrastructure, the study says.
'Food waste is the big issue in industrialised countries. It is mainly due to
retailers

Is it?
"Less than 1% of food at Tesco in the UK is wasted."

What, 1% of all food or 1% of fresh food?

I doubt that more than a minuscule amount of tinned/packet food goes to
waste so if the figure is for all food that means a larger percentage of
fresh food is wasted

If they didn't want to give that impression they should have been clearer
(and they had every opportunity to be so)

tim

[Norman Wells]

Post by tim...

Post by Norman Wells

Post by pensive hamster

[...]

Post by p-0''0-h the cat (coder)
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2016/jul/13/us-food-waste-ugly-fruit-vegetables-perfect
'... Vast quantities of fresh produce grown in the US are left in the
field to rot, fed to livestock or hauled directly from the field to landfill,
because of unrealistic and unyielding cosmetic standards, according
to official data and interviews with dozens of farmers, packers,
truckers, researchers, campaigners and government officials.'
Perhaps people just aren't buying enough soup.

No.  Maybe it's shifting ground, as it always is with those with
an agenda.
We were talking about a University of Edinburgh study of 'Europe',
whereas you now seem to be talking about the USA.  And all this in
a UK
group.  Do you want me to argue the case for Europe, the world, or
the UK?

Define 'wasted'.  Where are the data leading to this conclusion?  What
counts and what doesn't?  Why does no-one who repeats this mindless
mantra ever say?

Google not working down your way?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-13364178
      11 May 2011
'One third of world's food is wasted, says UN study'
'... The UN study, by the Swedish Institute for Food and Biotechnology,
was aimed at an international trade fair for the food packaging industry,
to be held in Germany later this month.
'... Commissioned by the UN Food and Agriculture Organisation (FAO),
it distinguishes between food loss and food waste.
'Losses happen during the production, processing and distribution of food.
They affect developing countries worst. The answer is to improve
technology and infrastructure, the study says.
'Food waste is the big issue in industrialised countries. It is
mainly due to retailers

Is it?
"Less than 1% of food at Tesco in the UK is wasted."

What, 1% of all food or 1% of fresh food?
I doubt that more than a minuscule amount of tinned/packet food goes to
waste so if the figure is for all food that means a larger percentage of
fresh food is wasted
If they didn't want to give that impression they should have been
clearer (and they had every opportunity to be so)

They're actually the clearest and most forthcoming of all the major
supermarkets.

"Waste as % of food sales: 0.5%"

https://www.tescoplc.com/little-helps-plan/products-food-waste/uk-food-waste-data-201718/

They also give a breakdown of the waste by category.

You can't run any food retailing business with zero waste.

[pensive hamster]

[...]

Post by Norman Wells

Post by pensive hamster
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-13364178
11 May 2011
'One third of world's food is wasted, says UN study'
'... The UN study, by the Swedish Institute for Food and Biotechnology,
was aimed at an international trade fair for the food packaging industry,
to be held in Germany later this month.
'... Commissioned by the UN Food and Agriculture Organisation (FAO),
it distinguishes between food loss and food waste.
'Losses happen during the production, processing and distribution of food.
They affect developing countries worst. The answer is to improve
technology and infrastructure, the study says.
'Food waste is the big issue in industrialised countries. It is mainly due to
retailers

Is it?
"Less than 1% of food at Tesco in the UK is wasted."
https://www.tescoplc.com/little-helps-plan/products-food-waste/
"We have made a commitment that no food that’s safe for human
consumption will go to waste from our UK retail operations by the end of
2017/18."
"Since 2009 no food from Tesco has gone to landfill"
https://www.tescoplc.com/little-helps-plan/products-food-waste/

Post by pensive hamster
and consumers throwing perfectly edible food into the bin.

Probably Tesco themselves don't waste much food, they seem
quite an efficient enterprise, I imagine they buy less than 1% of
food above what they know they can sell.

That doesn't preclude their customers buying more than 1% in
excess of what they can eat.

Post by Norman Wells
Do you?

Well, obviously I don't, I'm a hummus-nibbling, Guardian reading
Remain supporter, the very model of a modern responsible
consumer.

Post by Norman Wells
I've raised this many times before here, when the usual mantra
is repeated that consumers throw away one-third of all the food they
buy. No-one knows where this figure comes from,

At least you now know where the figure may have come from
- the The UN commissioned study, carried out by the Swedish
Institute for Food and Biotechnology

Post by Norman Wells
no-one admits to it,
and no-one knows anyone who gets anywhere near it. It's a figure with a
life of its own that gets endlessly repeated but has no substance when
examined.
When you look at it, it includes all sorts of things that are not
actually edible and never were. Things like banana peel, orange skins,
pineapple and melon skins, potato peelings, teabags, chicken bones,
cabbage stalks, apple cores, leftover tea, and so on. It's a dishonest
amount, repeated to alarm and disgust, in order obviously to further
someone's agenda. Of stuff that was once edible, my estimate of waste
is considerably under 10%.

Post by pensive hamster
'Waste amounts to around 100kg (more than 200lb) per consumer in
Europe and North America every year. ...'

It doesn't as far as I'm concerned. Does it as far as you are? If not,
when all the evidence is against it, why do you believe it?

Is all the evidence against it? What evidence?

You may be right for all I know, that food waste is much less
than one-third. I have taken the figure fairly seriously, based
mostly on TV programmes showing skips full of discarded
food, interviews with freegans, and various reports about
farmers dumping tons of wonky vegetables.

[Norman Wells]

Post by pensive hamster
[...]

Post by Norman Wells

Post by pensive hamster
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-13364178
11 May 2011
'One third of world's food is wasted, says UN study'
'... The UN study, by the Swedish Institute for Food and Biotechnology,
was aimed at an international trade fair for the food packaging industry,
to be held in Germany later this month.
'... Commissioned by the UN Food and Agriculture Organisation (FAO),
it distinguishes between food loss and food waste.
'Losses happen during the production, processing and distribution of food.
They affect developing countries worst. The answer is to improve
technology and infrastructure, the study says.
'Food waste is the big issue in industrialised countries. It is mainly due to
retailers

Is it?
"Less than 1% of food at Tesco in the UK is wasted."
https://www.tescoplc.com/little-helps-plan/products-food-waste/
"We have made a commitment that no food that’s safe for human
consumption will go to waste from our UK retail operations by the end of
2017/18."
"Since 2009 no food from Tesco has gone to landfill"
https://www.tescoplc.com/little-helps-plan/products-food-waste/

Post by pensive hamster
and consumers throwing perfectly edible food into the bin.

Probably Tesco themselves don't waste much food, they seem
quite an efficient enterprise, I imagine they buy less than 1% of
food above what they know they can sell.
That doesn't preclude their customers buying more than 1% in
excess of what they can eat.

Post by Norman Wells
Do you?

Well, obviously I don't, I'm a hummus-nibbling, Guardian reading
Remain supporter, the very model of a modern responsible
consumer.

Post by Norman Wells
I've raised this many times before here, when the usual mantra
is repeated that consumers throw away one-third of all the food they
buy. No-one knows where this figure comes from,

At least you now know where the figure may have come from
- the The UN commissioned study, carried out by the Swedish
Institute for Food and Biotechnology

Post by Norman Wells
no-one admits to it,
and no-one knows anyone who gets anywhere near it. It's a figure with a
life of its own that gets endlessly repeated but has no substance when
examined.
When you look at it, it includes all sorts of things that are not
actually edible and never were. Things like banana peel, orange skins,
pineapple and melon skins, potato peelings, teabags, chicken bones,
cabbage stalks, apple cores, leftover tea, and so on. It's a dishonest
amount, repeated to alarm and disgust, in order obviously to further
someone's agenda. Of stuff that was once edible, my estimate of waste
is considerably under 10%.

Post by pensive hamster
'Waste amounts to around 100kg (more than 200lb) per consumer in
Europe and North America every year. ...'

It doesn't as far as I'm concerned. Does it as far as you are? If not,
when all the evidence is against it, why do you believe it?

Is all the evidence against it? What evidence?
You may be right for all I know, that food waste is much less
than one-third. I have taken the figure fairly seriously, based
mostly on TV programmes showing skips full of discarded
food, interviews with freegans, and various reports about
farmers dumping tons of wonky vegetables.

Yes, they hammer it in by repetition, and no-one questions it.

But what evidence, you ask? Your own eyes and ears for one thing, or
two, or four. I don't waste anything like that much, nor do you. And I
bet you don't know anyone who does. So, there's a reasonable start.

Then there's these 'skips' you say they go on about. Could you actually
lead me to one, because I couldn't show you one? I assume supermarkets
must have them somewhere round the back because of course no-one can run
a fresh produce business without some waste, and they're not allowed by
law to sell anything beyond its sell-by date. But you have the evidence
from Tesco that their food waste is just 0.5% of food sales, and that
they aim to send no food waste at all to landfill (which is where
anything in skips would go) by the end of 2018. I imagine other
supermarkets are doing much the same. So, we're not yet making much of
a dent in the 'one-third' figure, are we?

As for interviews with freegans, I don't know any, and suspect they're a
bit thin on the ground. Perhaps they're dying out because of the
scarcity of skips.

Then there are the reports you mention of farmers dumping tons of wonky
veg. I'd like to see some figures before I'm anything like convinced
that it's a sizeable problem. Farmers are not daft. They know that not
every carrot they grow will match the specifications set by the
supermarkets. It won't come as a surprise to them to get some that are
wonky. If they're any good at their job, and most are, they will have a
pretty good idea of the proportion of what they grow will not be Grade A
fit for the shelves, and they will have contingency plans for those that
aren't. They will have arrangements with processors. In the final
resort, their excess produce will go to animal feed. It's extermely
naive to think that any half-sensible farmer will just dump any
substantial amount of what he's grown.

I suspect in fact that the reports are almost exclusively to shock and
alarm when there isn't in fact a significant problem.

[pensive hamster]

[...]

Post by Norman Wells

Post by pensive hamster
You may be right for all I know, that food waste is much less
than one-third. I have taken the figure fairly seriously, based
mostly on TV programmes showing skips full of discarded
food, interviews with freegans, and various reports about
farmers dumping tons of wonky vegetables.

Yes, they hammer it in by repetition, and no-one questions it.
But what evidence, you ask? Your own eyes and ears for one thing, or
two, or four. I don't waste anything like that much, nor do you. And I
bet you don't know anyone who does. So, there's a reasonable start.
Then there's these 'skips' you say they go on about. Could you actually
lead me to one, because I couldn't show you one? I assume supermarkets
must have them somewhere round the back because of course no-one can run
a fresh produce business without some waste, and they're not allowed by
law to sell anything beyond its sell-by date. But you have the evidence
from Tesco that their food waste is just 0.5% of food sales, and that
they aim to send no food waste at all to landfill (which is where
anything in skips would go) by the end of 2018. I imagine other
supermarkets are doing much the same. So, we're not yet making much of
a dent in the 'one-third' figure, are we?
As for interviews with freegans, I don't know any, and suspect they're a
bit thin on the ground. Perhaps they're dying out because of the
scarcity of skips.

You seem strangely reluctant to use Google ...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2551810/Astonishing-haul-food-grabbed-supermarket-bin-just-10-minutes-skip-divers-tempted-eat-it.html
8 February 2014
Astonishing haul of food grabbed from supermarket bin in
just 10 minutes by 'skip divers'...

EXCLUSIVE: Students grabbed haul of meats, ready meals,
fruit and even 'fresh' roses from a supermarket bin
The group go 'binning' every week and grab up to £50 worth
of free meals
They say they do it in an ethical stand against supermarket
waste... but turn their noses up at fish fingers
Campaigner says he lived off one shop's bins for six months,
taking £890

-------------------------------

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/jan/28/three-charged-vagrancy-act-food-skip-iceland
28 Jan 2014
Three charged with stealing food from skip behind Iceland
supermarket

Crown Prosecution Service claims there is 'significant public
interest' in prosecuting men arrested for taking discarded food

Post by Norman Wells
Then there are the reports you mention of farmers dumping tons of wonky
veg. I'd like to see some figures before I'm anything like convinced
that it's a sizeable problem. Farmers are not daft. They know that not
every carrot they grow will match the specifications set by the
supermarkets. It won't come as a surprise to them to get some that are
wonky. If they're any good at their job, and most are, they will have a
pretty good idea of the proportion of what they grow will not be Grade A
fit for the shelves, and they will have contingency plans for those that
aren't. They will have arrangements with processors. In the final
resort, their excess produce will go to animal feed. It's extermely
naive to think that any half-sensible farmer will just dump any
substantial amount of what he's grown.
I suspect in fact that the reports are almost exclusively to shock and
alarm when there isn't in fact a significant problem.

[Norman Wells]

Post by pensive hamster
[...]

Post by Norman Wells

Post by pensive hamster
You may be right for all I know, that food waste is much less
than one-third. I have taken the figure fairly seriously, based
mostly on TV programmes showing skips full of discarded
food, interviews with freegans, and various reports about
farmers dumping tons of wonky vegetables.

Yes, they hammer it in by repetition, and no-one questions it.
But what evidence, you ask? Your own eyes and ears for one thing, or
two, or four. I don't waste anything like that much, nor do you. And I
bet you don't know anyone who does. So, there's a reasonable start.
Then there's these 'skips' you say they go on about. Could you actually
lead me to one, because I couldn't show you one? I assume supermarkets
must have them somewhere round the back because of course no-one can run
a fresh produce business without some waste, and they're not allowed by
law to sell anything beyond its sell-by date. But you have the evidence
from Tesco that their food waste is just 0.5% of food sales, and that
they aim to send no food waste at all to landfill (which is where
anything in skips would go) by the end of 2018. I imagine other
supermarkets are doing much the same. So, we're not yet making much of
a dent in the 'one-third' figure, are we?
As for interviews with freegans, I don't know any, and suspect they're a
bit thin on the ground. Perhaps they're dying out because of the
scarcity of skips.

You seem strangely reluctant to use Google ...
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2551810/Astonishing-haul-food-grabbed-supermarket-bin-just-10-minutes-skip-divers-tempted-eat-it.html
8 February 2014
Astonishing haul of food grabbed from supermarket bin in
just 10 minutes by 'skip divers'...
EXCLUSIVE: Students grabbed haul of meats, ready meals,
fruit and even 'fresh' roses from a supermarket bin
The group go 'binning' every week and grab up to £50 worth
of free meals
They say they do it in an ethical stand against supermarket
waste... but turn their noses up at fish fingers
Campaigner says he lived off one shop's bins for six months,
taking £890
-------------------------------
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/jan/28/three-charged-vagrancy-act-food-skip-iceland
28 Jan 2014
Three charged with stealing food from skip behind Iceland
supermarket

Of course there is *some* waste. No-one who sells fresh produce can
possibly run a business with no waste at all. The question is how much
is wasted as a percentage of what is sold, because that is the basis of
the 'one-third of food is wasted' or even the 'one third of all food we
buy is wasted' claim. And a few skips containing, as Tesco say, just
0.5% of all food sales, doesn't even start to make a dent in that.
You've still got 32.5% to find.

[pensive hamster]

On Wednesday, 22 August 2018 19:24:13 UTC+1, Norman Wells wrote:
[...]

Post by Norman Wells
Of course there is *some* waste. No-one who sells fresh produce can
possibly run a business with no waste at all. The question is how much
is wasted as a percentage of what is sold, because that is the basis of
the 'one-third of food is wasted' or even the 'one third of all food we
buy is wasted' claim. And a few skips containing, as Tesco say, just
0.5% of all food sales, doesn't even start to make a dent in that.
You've still got 32.5% to find.

So you say. I gave you a possible source for the 1/3rd of food is
wasted claim, but I don't know how accurate it is, nor do I feel any
great desire to defend it. I don't actually know how much food is
wasted, other than "a certain amount".

Anway, here is one reporter's recent findings:

https://www.leicestermercury.co.uk/news/leicester-news/what-found-spent-night-dumpster-1318539
10 Mar 2018
What we found when we spent the night 'dumpster diving' in Leicester
supermarket bins

Reporter Jacob Jarvis said he was shocked by what he found

'Skipping' or 'dumpster diving' is when people go out and look through
supermarket and shop bins, to find out if they have thrown anything
usable away.

On a cold evening, our reporter Jacob Jarvis headed out with a couple
who do this around Leicestershire, and he was taken aback by what he
found.

Eating food from out of a bin. I mull the thought of it over in my head
and no matter how I try to make sense of it, I struggle to.

I’m wasteful with what I buy from the supermarket, I have to admit, and
I throw my fair share of fruit and veg away.

I buy it with the best intentions, eat one portion, then chuck it because it
goes mushy and off.

Some shops, though, throw out a lot of food that’s fine to eat, by plenty
of people’s standards.

That’s not me jumping on the environmentalist bandwagon, and I’m not
trying to shame these conglomerates or shock you. It simply does
happen.

I know this because I went out with two ‘skippers’, who go and rescue
castaway food from bins at shops before it gets thrown away, and
found plenty. ...

[pensive hamster]

On Wednesday, 22 August 2018 17:54:55 UTC+1, Norman Wells wrote:
[...]

Post by Norman Wells
As for interviews with freegans, I don't know any, and suspect they're a
bit thin on the ground. Perhaps they're dying out because of the
scarcity of skips.

Apparently it's not just food, either. This one keeps an Excel
spreadsheet of the best bin locations:

https://www.thesun.co.uk/living/3242987/dumpster-diving-jessica-high-street-stores-bins/
3rd April 2017
'Dumpster diving beauty Jessica has made a name for herself
picking up incredible hauls by bin raiding outside stores.

'The YouTuber has previously bagged more than £950 worth of
products in one session and has amassed a following of more
than 25,000 subscribers just by sharing stories of her
trash-rummaging exploits.

'... Keep an excel sheet of the best days

'Jess explained that there is no way of knowing which day is best
to go and check out the rubbish on your high street.

'She suggested starting up an excel sheet with details of each
store on the day that you visited.

'It may be that on a Thursday the dumpsters are empty, so you’ll
know that’s the bin collection day and you can save yourself time
by avoiding that shop on Thursdays in future.'

[Norman Wells]

Post by pensive hamster
[...]

Post by Norman Wells
As for interviews with freegans, I don't know any, and suspect they're a
bit thin on the ground. Perhaps they're dying out because of the
scarcity of skips.

Apparently it's not just food, either. This one keeps an Excel
https://www.thesun.co.uk/living/3242987/dumpster-diving-jessica-high-street-stores-bins/
3rd April 2017
'Dumpster diving beauty Jessica has made a name for herself
picking up incredible hauls by bin raiding outside stores.
'The YouTuber has previously bagged more than £950 worth of
products in one session and has amassed a following of more
than 25,000 subscribers just by sharing stories of her
trash-rummaging exploits.
'... Keep an excel sheet of the best days
'Jess explained that there is no way of knowing which day is best
to go and check out the rubbish on your high street.
'She suggested starting up an excel sheet with details of each
store on the day that you visited.
'It may be that on a Thursday the dumpsters are empty, so you’ll
know that’s the bin collection day and you can save yourself time
by avoiding that shop on Thursdays in future.'

Good for her. But we were talking just about food.

[BurfordTJustice]

"Norman Wells" <***@unseen.ac.am> wrote in message news:***@mid.individual.net...
: On 19/08/2018 20:55, Fruitiest of Fruitcakes wrote:
: > On 19 Aug 2018, Norman Wells wrote
: > (in article <***@mid.individual.net>):
: >
: >> On 19/08/2018 18:58, p-0''0-h the cat (coder) wrote:
: >>> On Sun, 19 Aug 2018 18:26:43 +0100, Norman Wells <***@unseen.ac.am>
: >>> wrote:
: >>>
: >>>> On 19/08/2018 17:26, p-0''0-h the cat (coder) wrote:
: >>>>>
: >>>>> Yet Norman reckons we have a food crisis.
: >>>>>
: >>>>> https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-business-45238732
: >>>>
: >>>> What do you think processors use to produce pies, soups, sauces,
: >>>> veggiburgers, veggie sausages, instant mash, oven chips etc etc etc?
: >>>>
: >>>> And where do you think they get them?
: >>>
: >>> "A University of Edinburgh study found more than 50 million tonnes of
: >>> fruit and vegetables grown across Europe were discarded each year.
: >>>
: >>> This was in part because they did not meet consumers' expectations of
: >>> how they should look."
: >>>
: >>> Try harder.
: >>
: >> How they look doesn't matter to processors. That's where the wonky ones
: >> go. It's a very efficient system.
: >
: > And presumably your lack of a link, to the evidence you have for how
many
: > tons go to the processors each year, is merely an oversight on your
part.
: >
: >> If you're hanging on the word 'discarded', that just means they don't
go
: >> to the supermarkets as Grade A produce but go to processors instead.
: >
: > Presumably your lack of a link to your evidence for your statement, is
simply
: > an oversight.
:
: Where do you think processors get their supplies from? And of what do
: they consist?
:
: Food processing is a big business. You can't just ignore it.
:
: >> If you think they're just 'thrown away', you don't know farmers very
well.
: >
: > I bet you know lots of farmers.
:
: Quite a lot, yes.
:
: > How many of them sell fruit and veg to soup companies?
: >
: > No need to be shy, as we know you have all the figures to hand.
:
: All of those who produce 'sub-standard' wonky veg.
:
: They're not daft, even if you'd like to think that.
:

[Fruitiest of Fruitcakes]

Post by Fruitiest of Fruitcakes

Post by p-0''0-h the cat (coder)

Post by Norman Wells

Post by p-0''0-h the cat (coder)
Yet Norman reckons we have a food crisis.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-business-45238732

What do you think processors use to produce pies, soups, sauces,
veggiburgers, veggie sausages, instant mash, oven chips etc etc etc?
And where do you think they get them?

"A University of Edinburgh study found more than 50 million tonnes of
fruit and vegetables grown across Europe were discarded each year.
This was in part because they did not meet consumers' expectations of
how they should look."
Try harder.

How they look doesn't matter to processors. That's where the wonky ones
go. It's a very efficient system.

And presumably your lack of a link, to the evidence you have for how many
tons go to the processors each year, is merely an oversight on your part.

If you're hanging on the word 'discarded', that just means they don't go
to the supermarkets as Grade A produce but go to processors instead.

Presumably your lack of a link to your evidence for your statement, is simply
an oversight.

Where do you think processors get their supplies from? And of what do
they consist?
Food processing is a big business. You can't just ignore it.

So you have no evidence, and are trying to ignore my demand.

Hypocrite.

Post by Fruitiest of Fruitcakes

If you think they're just 'thrown away', you don't know farmers very well.

I bet you know lots of farmers.

Quite a lot, yes.

Post by Fruitiest of Fruitcakes
How many of them sell fruit and veg to soup companies?
No need to be shy, as we know you have all the figures to hand.

All of those who produce 'sub-standard' wonky veg.
They're not daft, even if you'd like to think that.

And you don’t have any figures.

You are a liar and a hypocrite.

In the thread on glyphosate you tried to impress us by saying you always gave
the relevant evidence and links to back up statements you made - and accused
us of failing to do so.

You really aren’t worth bothering with.

[Norman Wells]

Post by Fruitiest of Fruitcakes

Post by Fruitiest of Fruitcakes

Post by p-0''0-h the cat (coder)

Post by Norman Wells

Post by p-0''0-h the cat (coder)
Yet Norman reckons we have a food crisis.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-business-45238732

What do you think processors use to produce pies, soups, sauces,
veggiburgers, veggie sausages, instant mash, oven chips etc etc etc?
And where do you think they get them?

"A University of Edinburgh study found more than 50 million tonnes of
fruit and vegetables grown across Europe were discarded each year.
This was in part because they did not meet consumers' expectations of
how they should look."
Try harder.

How they look doesn't matter to processors. That's where the wonky ones
go. It's a very efficient system.

And presumably your lack of a link, to the evidence you have for how many
tons go to the processors each year, is merely an oversight on your part.

If you're hanging on the word 'discarded', that just means they don't go
to the supermarkets as Grade A produce but go to processors instead.

Presumably your lack of a link to your evidence for your statement, is
simply an oversight.

Where do you think processors get their supplies from? And of what do
they consist?
Food processing is a big business. You can't just ignore it.

So you have no evidence, and are trying to ignore my demand.

Are you denying that food processing is a big business? Are you denying
that it uses huge quantities of food? Do tell us where you think they
get it from and of what it consists. It's kind of relevant to the
discussion.

Post by Fruitiest of Fruitcakes
Hypocrite.

Which that isn't.

In case it helps your understanding:

"Processed fruit and vegetables were worth EUR 47 billion, or 6.7 % of
the overall value of the EU food industry’s output."

http://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistics-explained/index.php/The_fruit_and_vegetable_sector_in_the_EU_-_a_statistical_overview

[tim...]

Post by Norman Wells

Post by Fruitiest of Fruitcakes

Post by Fruitiest of Fruitcakes

Post by p-0''0-h the cat (coder)

Post by Norman Wells

Post by p-0''0-h the cat (coder)
Yet Norman reckons we have a food crisis.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-business-45238732

What do you think processors use to produce pies, soups, sauces,
veggiburgers, veggie sausages, instant mash, oven chips etc etc etc?
And where do you think they get them?

"A University of Edinburgh study found more than 50 million tonnes of
fruit and vegetables grown across Europe were discarded each year.
This was in part because they did not meet consumers' expectations of
how they should look."
Try harder.

How they look doesn't matter to processors. That's where the wonky ones
go. It's a very efficient system.

And presumably your lack of a link, to the evidence you have for how many
tons go to the processors each year, is merely an oversight on your part.

If you're hanging on the word 'discarded', that just means they don't go
to the supermarkets as Grade A produce but go to processors instead.

Presumably your lack of a link to your evidence for your statement, is
simply an oversight.

Where do you think processors get their supplies from? And of what do
they consist?
Food processing is a big business. You can't just ignore it.

So you have no evidence, and are trying to ignore my demand.

Are you denying that food processing is a big business? Are you denying
that it uses huge quantities of food? Do tell us where you think they get
it from and of what it consists. It's kind of relevant to the discussion.

Post by Fruitiest of Fruitcakes
Hypocrite.

Which that isn't.
"Processed fruit and vegetables were worth EUR 47 billion, or 6.7 % of the
overall value of the EU food industry’s output."

when you look at all the tins and packets on the supermarket shelves (or in
your cupboard) that seems somewhat on the low side to me

Perhaps they are just considering vegetables that end up in tins, and
forgetting things like corn flakes which, yes, started life as a vegetable
and are processed.

tim

[Norman Wells]

Post by tim...

Post by Fruitiest of Fruitcakes

Post by Fruitiest of Fruitcakes

Post by p-0''0-h the cat (coder)

Post by Norman Wells

Post by p-0''0-h the cat (coder)
Yet Norman reckons we have a food crisis.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-business-45238732

What do you think processors use to produce pies, soups, sauces,
veggiburgers, veggie sausages, instant mash, oven chips etc etc etc?
And where do you think they get them?

"A University of Edinburgh study found more than 50 million tonnes of
fruit and vegetables grown across Europe were discarded each year.
This was in part because they did not meet consumers'
expectations of
how they should look."
Try harder.

How they look doesn't matter to processors. That's where the wonky ones
go. It's a very efficient system.

And presumably your lack of a link, to the evidence you have for how many
tons go to the processors each year, is merely an oversight on your part.

If you're hanging on the word 'discarded', that just means they don't go
to the supermarkets as Grade A produce but go to processors instead.

Presumably your lack of a link to your evidence for your statement, is
simply an oversight.

Where do you think processors get their supplies from? And of what do
they consist?
Food processing is a big business. You can't just ignore it.

So you have no evidence, and are trying to ignore my demand.

Are you denying that food processing is a big business?  Are you
denying that it uses huge quantities of food?  Do tell us where you
think they get it from and of what it consists.  It's kind of relevant
to the discussion.

Post by Fruitiest of Fruitcakes
Hypocrite.

Which that isn't.
"Processed fruit and vegetables were worth EUR 47 billion, or 6.7 % of
the overall value of the EU food industry’s output."

when you look at all the tins and packets on the supermarket shelves (or
in your cupboard) that seems somewhat on the low side to me
Perhaps they are just considering vegetables that end up in tins, and
forgetting things like corn flakes which, yes, started life as a
vegetable and are processed.

Probably so. Grains are not usually classified as 'fruit and veg'.

[BurfordTJustice]

You are in no position to make demands of anyone over anything.


WTF Dog?





"Fruitiest of Fruitcakes" <***@bungay.com> wrote in message news:***@news.giganews.com...
: On 19 Aug 2018, Norman Wells wrote
: (in article <***@mid.individual.net>):
:
: > On 19/08/2018 20:55, Fruitiest of Fruitcakes wrote:
: > > On 19 Aug 2018, Norman Wells wrote
: > > (in article <***@mid.individual.net>):
: > >
: > > > On 19/08/2018 18:58, p-0''0-h the cat (coder) wrote:
: > > > > On Sun, 19 Aug 2018 18:26:43 +0100, Norman Wells
<***@unseen.ac.am>
: > > > > wrote:
: > > > >
: > > > > > On 19/08/2018 17:26, p-0''0-h the cat (coder) wrote:
: > > > > > >
: > > > > > > Yet Norman reckons we have a food crisis.
: > > > > > >
: > > > > > >
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-business-45238732
: > > > > >
: > > > > > What do you think processors use to produce pies, soups, sauces,
: > > > > > veggiburgers, veggie sausages, instant mash, oven chips etc etc
etc?
: > > > > >
: > > > > > And where do you think they get them?
: > > > >
: > > > > "A University of Edinburgh study found more than 50 million tonnes
of
: > > > > fruit and vegetables grown across Europe were discarded each year.
: > > > >
: > > > > This was in part because they did not meet consumers' expectations
of
: > > > > how they should look."
: > > > >
: > > > > Try harder.
: > > >
: > > > How they look doesn't matter to processors. That's where the wonky
ones
: > > > go. It's a very efficient system.
: > >
: > > And presumably your lack of a link, to the evidence you have for how
many
: > > tons go to the processors each year, is merely an oversight on your
part.
: > >
: > > > If you're hanging on the word 'discarded', that just means they
don't go
: > > > to the supermarkets as Grade A produce but go to processors instead.
: > >
: > > Presumably your lack of a link to your evidence for your statement, is
: > > simply
: > > an oversight.
: >
: > Where do you think processors get their supplies from? And of what do
: > they consist?
: >
: > Food processing is a big business. You can't just ignore it.
:
: So you have no evidence, and are trying to ignore my demand.
:
: Hypocrite.
:
: >
: >
: > > > If you think they're just 'thrown away', you don't know farmers very
well.
: > >
: > > I bet you know lots of farmers.
: >
: > Quite a lot, yes.
: >
: > > How many of them sell fruit and veg to soup companies?
: > >
: > > No need to be shy, as we know you have all the figures to hand.
: >
: > All of those who produce 'sub-standard' wonky veg.
: >
: > They're not daft, even if you'd like to think that.
:
: And you don't have any figures.
:
: You are a liar and a hypocrite.
:
: In the thread on glyphosate you tried to impress us by saying you always
gave
: the relevant evidence and links to back up statements you made - and
accused
: us of failing to do so.
:
: You really aren't worth bothering with.
:
:

[tim...]

Post by Norman Wells

Post by p-0''0-h the cat (coder)

Post by Norman Wells

Post by p-0''0-h the cat (coder)
Yet Norman reckons we have a food crisis.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-business-45238732

What do you think processors use to produce pies, soups, sauces,
veggiburgers, veggie sausages, instant mash, oven chips etc etc etc?
And where do you think they get them?

"A University of Edinburgh study found more than 50 million tonnes of
fruit and vegetables grown across Europe were discarded each year.
This was in part because they did not meet consumers' expectations of
how they should look."
Try harder.

How they look doesn't matter to processors. That's where the wonky ones
go. It's a very efficient system.
If you're hanging on the word 'discarded', that just means they don't go
to the supermarkets as Grade A produce but go to processors instead.
If you think they're just 'thrown away', you don't know farmers very well.

though some farmers do claim that they are "thrown away"

tim

[Norman Wells]

Post by tim...

Post by p-0''0-h the cat (coder)

Post by Norman Wells

Post by p-0''0-h the cat (coder)
Yet Norman reckons we have a food crisis.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-business-45238732

What do you think processors use to produce pies, soups, sauces,
veggiburgers, veggie sausages, instant mash, oven chips etc etc etc?
And where do you think they get them?

"A University of Edinburgh study found more than 50 million tonnes of
fruit and vegetables grown across Europe were discarded each year.
This was in part because they did not meet consumers' expectations of
how they should look."
Try harder.

How they look doesn't matter to processors.  That's where the wonky
ones go.  It's a very efficient system.
If you're hanging on the word 'discarded', that just means they don't
go to the supermarkets as Grade A produce but go to processors instead.
If you think they're just 'thrown away', you don't know farmers very well.

though some farmers do claim that they are "thrown away"

Do they? Where?

[tim...]

Post by Norman Wells

Post by tim...

Post by Norman Wells

Post by p-0''0-h the cat (coder)

Post by Norman Wells

Post by p-0''0-h the cat (coder)
Yet Norman reckons we have a food crisis.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-business-45238732

What do you think processors use to produce pies, soups, sauces,
veggiburgers, veggie sausages, instant mash, oven chips etc etc etc?
And where do you think they get them?

"A University of Edinburgh study found more than 50 million tonnes of
fruit and vegetables grown across Europe were discarded each year.
This was in part because they did not meet consumers' expectations of
how they should look."
Try harder.

How they look doesn't matter to processors. That's where the wonky ones
go. It's a very efficient system.
If you're hanging on the word 'discarded', that just means they don't go
to the supermarkets as Grade A produce but go to processors instead.
If you think they're just 'thrown away', you don't know farmers very well.

though some farmers do claim that they are "thrown away"

Do they? Where?

it's been reported in several newspapers

tim

[Norman Wells]

Post by tim...

Post by tim...

Post by p-0''0-h the cat (coder)

Post by Norman Wells

Post by p-0''0-h the cat (coder)
Yet Norman reckons we have a food crisis.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-business-45238732

What do you think processors use to produce pies, soups, sauces,
veggiburgers, veggie sausages, instant mash, oven chips etc etc etc?
And where do you think they get them?

"A University of Edinburgh study found more than 50 million tonnes of
fruit and vegetables grown across Europe were discarded each year.
This was in part because they did not meet consumers' expectations of
how they should look."
Try harder.

How they look doesn't matter to processors.  That's where the wonky
ones go.  It's a very efficient system.
If you're hanging on the word 'discarded', that just means they
don't go to the supermarkets as Grade A produce but go to processors
instead.
If you think they're just 'thrown away', you don't know farmers very well.

though some farmers do claim that they are "thrown away"

Do they?  Where?

it's been reported in several newspapers

Then you'll be able to quote them to make your point, won't you?

[p-0''0-h the cat (coder)]

Post by Norman Wells

Post by tim...

Post by tim...

Post by p-0''0-h the cat (coder)

Post by Norman Wells

Post by p-0''0-h the cat (coder)
Yet Norman reckons we have a food crisis.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-business-45238732

What do you think processors use to produce pies, soups, sauces,
veggiburgers, veggie sausages, instant mash, oven chips etc etc etc?
And where do you think they get them?

"A University of Edinburgh study found more than 50 million tonnes of
fruit and vegetables grown across Europe were discarded each year.
This was in part because they did not meet consumers' expectations of
how they should look."
Try harder.

How they look doesn't matter to processors.  That's where the wonky
ones go.  It's a very efficient system.
If you're hanging on the word 'discarded', that just means they
don't go to the supermarkets as Grade A produce but go to processors
instead.
If you think they're just 'thrown away', you don't know farmers very well.

though some farmers do claim that they are "thrown away"

Do they?  Where?

it's been reported in several newspapers

Then you'll be able to quote them to make your point, won't you?

Home made potato salad. Potatoes and chives fresh from the plot, squirt
of Hellemans and sea salt. I am licking my paws.

Beetroot simmering on the stove and Rhubarb crumble in the oven.
Stoneground organic plain flour, organic butter, and organic cane sugar.
All veg from tiny plot. How difficult is this.

Yum, yum, yum.

I even give veg and fruit away.

No weedkillers pesticides chemical fertilizers. In fact the only
fertilizer is homemade compost.

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Post by p-0''0-h the cat (coder)

Post by Norman Wells

Post by tim...

Post by tim...

Post by p-0''0-h the cat (coder)

Post by Norman Wells

Post by p-0''0-h the cat (coder)
Yet Norman reckons we have a food crisis.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-business-45238732

What do you think processors use to produce pies, soups, sauces,
veggiburgers, veggie sausages, instant mash, oven chips etc etc etc?
And where do you think they get them?

"A University of Edinburgh study found more than 50 million tonnes of
fruit and vegetables grown across Europe were discarded each year.
This was in part because they did not meet consumers' expectations of
how they should look."
Try harder.

How they look doesn't matter to processors.  That's where the wonky
ones go.  It's a very efficient system.
If you're hanging on the word 'discarded', that just means they
don't go to the supermarkets as Grade A produce but go to processors
instead.
If you think they're just 'thrown away', you don't know farmers very well.

though some farmers do claim that they are "thrown away"

Do they?  Where?

it's been reported in several newspapers

Then you'll be able to quote them to make your point, won't you?

Home made potato salad. Potatoes and chives fresh from the plot, squirt
of Hellemans and sea salt. I am licking my paws.

I thought chives made cats poorly?

Post by p-0''0-h the cat (coder)
Beetroot simmering on the stove and Rhubarb crumble in the oven.
Stoneground organic plain flour, organic butter, and organic cane sugar.
All veg from tiny plot. How difficult is this.
Yum, yum, yum.
I even give veg and fruit away.
No weedkillers pesticides chemical fertilizers. In fact the only
fertilizer is homemade compost.

Is this that special 'cat compost', like I find on my lawn sometimes? :-)

Post by p-0''0-h the cat (coder)
Sent from my iFurryUnderbelly.

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Post by Dan S. MacAbre

Post by p-0''0-h the cat (coder)

Post by Norman Wells

Post by tim...

Post by tim...

Post by p-0''0-h the cat (coder)

Post by Norman Wells

Post by p-0''0-h the cat (coder)
Yet Norman reckons we have a food crisis.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-business-45238732

What do you think processors use to produce pies, soups, sauces,
veggiburgers, veggie sausages, instant mash, oven chips etc etc etc?
And where do you think they get them?

"A University of Edinburgh study found more than 50 million tonnes of
fruit and vegetables grown across Europe were discarded each year.
This was in part because they did not meet consumers' expectations of
how they should look."
Try harder.

How they look doesn't matter to processors.  That's where the wonky
ones go.  It's a very efficient system.
If you're hanging on the word 'discarded', that just means they
don't go to the supermarkets as Grade A produce but go to processors
instead.
If you think they're just 'thrown away', you don't know farmers very well.

though some farmers do claim that they are "thrown away"

Do they?  Where?

it's been reported in several newspapers

Then you'll be able to quote them to make your point, won't you?

Home made potato salad. Potatoes and chives fresh from the plot, squirt
of Hellemans and sea salt. I am licking my paws.

I thought chives made cats poorly?

I didn't know that. Not that I would feed a cat chives. TBH we hardly
eat any onions or garlic that's why I grow chives. I like a tiny bit on
occasion and chives are easy. I can do fried onions occasionally but
garlic makes me feel wonky.

Post by Dan S. MacAbre

Post by p-0''0-h the cat (coder)
Beetroot simmering on the stove and Rhubarb crumble in the oven.
Stoneground organic plain flour, organic butter, and organic cane sugar.
All veg from tiny plot. How difficult is this.
Yum, yum, yum.
I even give veg and fruit away.
No weedkillers pesticides chemical fertilizers. In fact the only
fertilizer is homemade compost.

Is this that special 'cat compost', like I find on my lawn sometimes? :-)

That's a sign that they like and respect you. I have tried suggesting
that instead they just wave a paw but they are insistent that it is
traditional.

Post by Dan S. MacAbre

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Post by Dan S. MacAbre

Post by p-0''0-h the cat (coder)

Post by Norman Wells

Post by tim...

Post by tim...

Post by p-0''0-h the cat (coder)

Post by Norman Wells

Post by p-0''0-h the cat (coder)
Yet Norman reckons we have a food crisis.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-business-45238732

What do you think processors use to produce pies, soups, sauces,
veggiburgers, veggie sausages, instant mash, oven chips etc etc etc?
And where do you think they get them?

"A University of Edinburgh study found more than 50 million tonnes of
fruit and vegetables grown across Europe were discarded each year.
This was in part because they did not meet consumers' expectations of
how they should look."
Try harder.

How they look doesn't matter to processors.  That's where the wonky
ones go.  It's a very efficient system.
If you're hanging on the word 'discarded', that just means they
don't go to the supermarkets as Grade A produce but go to processors
instead.
If you think they're just 'thrown away', you don't know farmers very well.

though some farmers do claim that they are "thrown away"

Do they?  Where?

it's been reported in several newspapers

Then you'll be able to quote them to make your point, won't you?

Home made potato salad. Potatoes and chives fresh from the plot, squirt
of Hellemans and sea salt. I am licking my paws.

I thought chives made cats poorly?

I didn't know that. Not that I would feed a cat chives. TBH we hardly
eat any onions or garlic that's why I grow chives. I like a tiny bit on
occasion and chives are easy. I can do fried onions occasionally but
garlic makes me feel wonky.

From google's 'people also ask' results:

"Is it safe for cats to eat chives?

Onions, garlic, chives, and leeks are of the Allium family, and are
poisonous to both dogs and cats. Garlic is considered to be about 5X as
potent as onions. Certain breeds and species seem to be more sensitive:
Japanese breeds of dogs (e.g., Akita, Shiba Inu) and cats."

Post by p-0''0-h the cat (coder)

Post by Dan S. MacAbre

Post by p-0''0-h the cat (coder)
Beetroot simmering on the stove and Rhubarb crumble in the oven.
Stoneground organic plain flour, organic butter, and organic cane sugar.
All veg from tiny plot. How difficult is this.
Yum, yum, yum.
I even give veg and fruit away.
No weedkillers pesticides chemical fertilizers. In fact the only
fertilizer is homemade compost.

Is this that special 'cat compost', like I find on my lawn sometimes? :-)

That's a sign that they like and respect you. I have tried suggesting
that instead they just wave a paw but they are insistent that it is
traditional.

Post by Dan S. MacAbre

Post by p-0''0-h the cat (coder)
Sent from my iFurryUnderbelly.

Sent from my iFurryUnderbelly.

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Post by Dan S. MacAbre

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Post by Dan S. MacAbre

Post by p-0''0-h the cat (coder)

Post by Norman Wells

Post by tim...

Post by tim...

Post by p-0''0-h the cat (coder)

Post by Norman Wells

Post by p-0''0-h the cat (coder)
Yet Norman reckons we have a food crisis.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-business-45238732

What do you think processors use to produce pies, soups, sauces,
veggiburgers, veggie sausages, instant mash, oven chips etc etc etc?
And where do you think they get them?

"A University of Edinburgh study found more than 50 million tonnes of
fruit and vegetables grown across Europe were discarded each year.
This was in part because they did not meet consumers' expectations of
how they should look."
Try harder.

How they look doesn't matter to processors.  That's where the wonky
ones go.  It's a very efficient system.
If you're hanging on the word 'discarded', that just means they
don't go to the supermarkets as Grade A produce but go to processors
instead.
If you think they're just 'thrown away', you don't know farmers very well.

though some farmers do claim that they are "thrown away"

Do they?  Where?

it's been reported in several newspapers

Then you'll be able to quote them to make your point, won't you?

Home made potato salad. Potatoes and chives fresh from the plot, squirt
of Hellemans and sea salt. I am licking my paws.

I thought chives made cats poorly?

I didn't know that. Not that I would feed a cat chives. TBH we hardly
eat any onions or garlic that's why I grow chives. I like a tiny bit on
occasion and chives are easy. I can do fried onions occasionally but
garlic makes me feel wonky.

"Is it safe for cats to eat chives?
Onions, garlic, chives, and leeks are of the Allium family, and are
poisonous to both dogs and cats. Garlic is considered to be about 5X as
Japanese breeds of dogs (e.g., Akita, Shiba Inu) and cats."

Yep, it's true. I have cat DNA.

My Dad was the same. No. he wasn't named Tom.

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Beetroot simmering on the stove and Rhubarb crumble in the oven.
Stoneground organic plain flour, organic butter, and organic cane sugar.
All veg from tiny plot. How difficult is this.
Yum, yum, yum.
I even give veg and fruit away.
No weedkillers pesticides chemical fertilizers. In fact the only
fertilizer is homemade compost.

Is this that special 'cat compost', like I find on my lawn sometimes? :-)

That's a sign that they like and respect you. I have tried suggesting
that instead they just wave a paw but they are insistent that it is
traditional.

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"Is it safe for cats to eat chives?
Onions, garlic

it works on vampires as well
i don't want pooh to be sick....he's currently useful to me

Post by Dan S. MacAbre
, chives, and leeks are of the Allium family, and are
poisonous to both dogs and cats. Garlic is considered to be about 5X as
Japanese breeds of dogs (e.g., Akita, Shiba Inu) and cats."

[Dan S. MacAbre]

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Post by Dan S. MacAbre
"Is it safe for cats to eat chives?
Onions, garlic

it works on vampires as well
i don't want pooh to be sick....he's currently useful to me

Cats are very useful, as shown by their widespread use by the emergency
services, mountain rescue, customs and excise, bomb disposal, and the
'guide cats for the blind' scheme.

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Post by Dan S. MacAbre
, chives, and leeks are of the Allium family, and are
poisonous to both dogs and cats. Garlic is considered to be about 5X as
Japanese breeds of dogs (e.g., Akita, Shiba Inu) and cats."

[abelard]

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Post by Dan S. MacAbre
"Is it safe for cats to eat chives?
Onions, garlic

it works on vampires as well
i don't want pooh to be sick....he's currently useful to me

Cats are very useful, as shown by their widespread use by the emergency
services, mountain rescue, customs and excise, bomb disposal, and the
'guide cats for the blind' scheme.

i 'see' your point...and much cheaper than dogs...
they even bury their shit...although i'm still trying training pooh
though he is very slow...i have wondered about an electric
collar

[Dan S. MacAbre]

Post by abelard

Post by Dan S. MacAbre

Post by abelard

Post by Dan S. MacAbre
"Is it safe for cats to eat chives?
Onions, garlic

it works on vampires as well
i don't want pooh to be sick....he's currently useful to me

Cats are very useful, as shown by their widespread use by the emergency
services, mountain rescue, customs and excise, bomb disposal, and the
'guide cats for the blind' scheme.

i 'see' your point...and much cheaper than dogs...
they even bury their shit...although i'm still trying training pooh
though he is very slow...i have wondered about an electric
collar

I hope you realise that I was kidding :-)

[p-0''0-h the cat (coder)]

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"Is it safe for cats to eat chives?
Onions, garlic

it works on vampires as well
i don't want pooh to be sick....he's currently useful to me

Cats are very useful, as shown by their widespread use by the emergency
services, mountain rescue, customs and excise, bomb disposal, and the
'guide cats for the blind' scheme.

i 'see' your point...and much cheaper than dogs...
they even bury their shit...although i'm still trying training pooh
though he is very slow...i have wondered about an electric
collar

I hope you realise that I was kidding :-)

Humour the old bugger. He's still smarting from last night. He'll get
over it.

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Post by abelard
i 'see' your point...and much cheaper than dogs...
they even bury their shit...although i'm still trying training pooh
though he is very slow...i have wondered about an electric
collar

I hope you realise that I was kidding :-)

Humour the old bugger. He's still smarting from last night. He'll get
over it.

Watching abelard getting ripped a new one is a bit like watching 'Have I
Got News for You' when there's a couple of comedians, and a politician.
The politician tries to be hip, funny and urbane, but he gets the piss
ripped out of him, and has to sit there, a 'plastic' smile on his face, in
the desperate hope that viewers will actually think that he has the
foggiest fucking idea what his persecutors are talking about.

Y.

[abelard]

On Mon, 20 Aug 2018 21:22:16 +0100, Yitzhak Isaac Goldstein

Post by Yitzhak Isaac Goldstein

Post by p-0''0-h the cat (coder)

Post by Dan S. MacAbre

Post by abelard
i 'see' your point...and much cheaper than dogs...
they even bury their shit...although i'm still trying training pooh
though he is very slow...i have wondered about an electric
collar

I hope you realise that I was kidding :-)

Humour the old bugger. He's still smarting from last night. He'll get
over it.

Watching abelard getting ripped a new one is a bit like watching 'Have I
Got News for You' when there's a couple of comedians, and a politician.
The politician tries to be hip, funny and urbane, but he gets the piss
ripped out of him, and has to sit there, a 'plastic' smile on his face, in
the desperate hope that viewers will actually think that he has the
foggiest fucking idea what his persecutors are talking about.

keep squirming pork pie

[Yitzhak Isaac Goldstein]

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On Mon, 20 Aug 2018 21:22:16 +0100, Yitzhak Isaac Goldstein

Post by Yitzhak Isaac Goldstein

Post by p-0''0-h the cat (coder)
Humour the old bugger. He's still smarting from last night. He'll get
over it.

Watching abelard getting ripped a new one is a bit like watching 'Have I
Got News for You' when there's a couple of comedians, and a politician.
The politician tries to be hip, funny and urbane, but he gets the piss
ripped out of him, and has to sit there, a 'plastic' smile on his face,
in the desperate hope that viewers will actually think that he has the
foggiest fucking idea what his persecutors are talking about.

keep squirming pork pie

There's the plastic smile... Bob Monkhouse would be jealous.

Y.

[abelard]

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Post by abelard

Post by Dan S. MacAbre

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Post by Dan S. MacAbre
"Is it safe for cats to eat chives?
Onions, garlic

it works on vampires as well
i don't want pooh to be sick....he's currently useful to me

Cats are very useful, as shown by their widespread use by the emergency
services, mountain rescue, customs and excise, bomb disposal, and the
'guide cats for the blind' scheme.

i 'see' your point...and much cheaper than dogs...
they even bury their shit...although i'm still trying training pooh
though he is very slow...i have wondered about an electric
collar

I hope you realise that I was kidding :-)

seemed like excellent ideas to me

[Yitzhak Isaac Goldstein]

Post by Dan S. MacAbre

Post by Dan S. MacAbre
"Is it safe for cats to eat chives?
Onions, garlic

it works on vampires as well i don't want pooh to be sick....he's
currently useful to me

Cats are very useful

As well as being fucking annoying little shits.

Y.

[Dan S. MacAbre]

Post by Yitzhak Isaac Goldstein

Post by Dan S. MacAbre

Post by Dan S. MacAbre
"Is it safe for cats to eat chives?
Onions, garlic

it works on vampires as well i don't want pooh to be sick....he's
currently useful to me

Cats are very useful

As well as being fucking annoying little shits.
Y.

Well, there is that, too :-) There's one nasty feral thing that likes
to hang around our bird feeders, and it seems intent on living forever.

[Norman Wells]

Post by Yitzhak Isaac Goldstein

Post by Dan S. MacAbre
Cats are very useful

As well as being fucking annoying little shits.

Well, there is that, too :-)  There's one nasty feral thing that likes
to hang around our bird feeders, and it seems intent on living forever.

Can't you disabuse it of that notion somehow?

[Dan S. MacAbre]

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Post by Yitzhak Isaac Goldstein

Post by Dan S. MacAbre
Cats are very useful

As well as being fucking annoying little shits.

Well, there is that, too :-)  There's one nasty feral thing that likes
to hang around our bird feeders, and it seems intent on living forever.

Can't you disabuse it of that notion somehow?

As tempting as it is, I can't even bring myself to kill one scabby moggy.

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Post by Yitzhak Isaac Goldstein

Post by Dan S. MacAbre

Post by Dan S. MacAbre
"Is it safe for cats to eat chives?
Onions, garlic

it works on vampires as well i don't want pooh to be sick....he's
currently useful to me

Cats are very useful

As well as being fucking annoying little shits.
Y.

Well, there is that, too :-) There's one nasty feral thing that likes
to hang around our bird feeders, and it seems intent on living forever.

Wise cat. Free range sparrow. Yer don't know what you are missing.


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"Is it safe for cats to eat chives?
Onions, garlic

it works on vampires as well i don't want pooh to be sick....he's
currently useful to me

Cats are very useful

As well as being fucking annoying little shits.

Humans, they think we owe them something.

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On Mon, 20 Aug 2018 16:56:51 +0100, Yitzhak Isaac Goldstein

Post by Yitzhak Isaac Goldstein

Post by Dan S. MacAbre

Post by Dan S. MacAbre
"Is it safe for cats to eat chives?
Onions, garlic

it works on vampires as well i don't want pooh to be sick....he's
currently useful to me

Cats are very useful

As well as being fucking annoying little shits.

Humans, they think we owe them something.

Oh, no. Our six are in charge, I know that. But above them are our six
rabbits.

Y.

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Post by abelard

Post by Dan S. MacAbre
"Is it safe for cats to eat chives?
Onions, garlic

it works on vampires as well
i don't want pooh to be sick....he's currently useful to me

Cats are very useful, as shown by their widespread use by the emergency
services, mountain rescue, customs and excise, bomb disposal, and the
'guide cats for the blind' scheme.

Yes, we are the only creature that has made mankind subservient to them.

Post by Dan S. MacAbre

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Post by Dan S. MacAbre
, chives, and leeks are of the Allium family, and are
poisonous to both dogs and cats. Garlic is considered to be about 5X as
Japanese breeds of dogs (e.g., Akita, Shiba Inu) and cats."

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Yet Norman reckons we have a food crisis.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-business-45238732

What do you think processors use to produce pies, soups, sauces,
veggiburgers, veggie sausages, instant mash, oven chips etc etc etc?
And where do you think they get them?

"A University of Edinburgh study found more than 50 million tonnes of
fruit and vegetables grown across Europe were discarded each year.
This was in part because they did not meet consumers' expectations of
how they should look."
Try harder.

How they look doesn't matter to processors.  That's where the wonky
ones go.  It's a very efficient system.
If you're hanging on the word 'discarded', that just means they
don't go to the supermarkets as Grade A produce but go to processors
instead.
If you think they're just 'thrown away', you don't know farmers very well.

though some farmers do claim that they are "thrown away"

Do they?  Where?

it's been reported in several newspapers

Then you'll be able to quote them to make your point, won't you?

Home made potato salad. Potatoes and chives fresh from the plot, squirt
of Hellemans and sea salt. I am licking my paws.
Beetroot simmering on the stove and Rhubarb crumble in the oven.
Stoneground organic plain flour, organic butter, and organic cane sugar.
All veg from tiny plot. How difficult is this.
Yum, yum, yum.
I even give veg and fruit away.
No weedkillers pesticides chemical fertilizers. In fact the only
fertilizer is homemade compost.

Has that got anything at all to do with the matter in hand?

[p-0''0-h the cat (coder)]

Post by Norman Wells

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Post by Norman Wells

Post by tim...

Post by tim...

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Post by Norman Wells

Post by p-0''0-h the cat (coder)
Yet Norman reckons we have a food crisis.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-business-45238732

What do you think processors use to produce pies, soups, sauces,
veggiburgers, veggie sausages, instant mash, oven chips etc etc etc?
And where do you think they get them?

"A University of Edinburgh study found more than 50 million tonnes of
fruit and vegetables grown across Europe were discarded each year.
This was in part because they did not meet consumers' expectations of
how they should look."
Try harder.

How they look doesn't matter to processors.  That's where the wonky
ones go.  It's a very efficient system.
If you're hanging on the word 'discarded', that just means they
don't go to the supermarkets as Grade A produce but go to processors
instead.
If you think they're just 'thrown away', you don't know farmers very well.

though some farmers do claim that they are "thrown away"

Do they?  Where?

it's been reported in several newspapers

Then you'll be able to quote them to make your point, won't you?

Home made potato salad. Potatoes and chives fresh from the plot, squirt
of Hellemans and sea salt. I am licking my paws.
Beetroot simmering on the stove and Rhubarb crumble in the oven.
Stoneground organic plain flour, organic butter, and organic cane sugar.
All veg from tiny plot. How difficult is this.
Yum, yum, yum.
I even give veg and fruit away.
No weedkillers pesticides chemical fertilizers. In fact the only
fertilizer is homemade compost.

Has that got anything at all to do with the matter in hand?

Yes, you said we are running out of food and that we need to chuck tons
of chemicals on them else we are all gonna starve. I on the other hand
do very little work and the stuff grows without all that crap. Something
doesn't add up. The farmers are dumping and ploughing back loads of
unwanted veg. You reckon not but it's true.

https://www.edie.net/news/5/Hughs-war-on-waste-supermarket-household-food-waste-statistics/

The truth is if this misshapen stuff was sold at a significant reduction
cos it's worth shit right, people would buy it, but of course the
supermarkets want to keep prices inflated so it's never gonna happen.

We don't have a food supply problem. We have a market problem. We pay
through the nose and the chemical companies get rich. How stupid is
this. Don't be duped. Don't be a patsy. Look around, everyone is a
fatsy.

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Post by Norman Wells

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Post by Norman Wells

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Yet Norman reckons we have a food crisis.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-business-45238732

What do you think processors use to produce pies, soups, sauces,
veggiburgers, veggie sausages, instant mash, oven chips etc etc etc?
And where do you think they get them?

"A University of Edinburgh study found more than 50 million tonnes of
fruit and vegetables grown across Europe were discarded each year.
This was in part because they did not meet consumers' expectations of
how they should look."
Try harder.

How they look doesn't matter to processors.  That's where the wonky
ones go.  It's a very efficient system.
If you're hanging on the word 'discarded', that just means they
don't go to the supermarkets as Grade A produce but go to processors
instead.
If you think they're just 'thrown away', you don't know farmers very well.

though some farmers do claim that they are "thrown away"

Do they?  Where?

it's been reported in several newspapers

Then you'll be able to quote them to make your point, won't you?

Home made potato salad. Potatoes and chives fresh from the plot, squirt
of Hellemans and sea salt. I am licking my paws.
Beetroot simmering on the stove and Rhubarb crumble in the oven.
Stoneground organic plain flour, organic butter, and organic cane sugar.
All veg from tiny plot. How difficult is this.
Yum, yum, yum.
I even give veg and fruit away.
No weedkillers pesticides chemical fertilizers. In fact the only
fertilizer is homemade compost.

Has that got anything at all to do with the matter in hand?

Yes, you said we are running out of food and that we need to chuck tons
of chemicals on them else we are all gonna starve. I on the other hand
do very little work and the stuff grows without all that crap. Something
doesn't add up. The farmers are dumping and ploughing back loads of
unwanted veg. You reckon not but it's true.
https://www.edie.net/news/5/Hughs-war-on-waste-supermarket-household-food-waste-statistics/

That's his schtick of course, so you can't expect much sense from him
except what suits his agenda. Interestingly, although the article says
'forced to ditch' and 'forced to throw away' it's not the farmer saying
that, and it's not made clear exactly what is meant either. The
assumption seems to be that anything not accepted as Grade A produce for
the supermarket shelves is 'ditched' or 'thrown away' or even, as you
further inflate it 'dumped' or 'ploughed back in'. These are totally
unwarranted assumptions, for which there is precious little evidence.

There are other outlets for sub-standard fruit and veg including food
processors and even animal feed. And it's pretty patronising to think
that farmers are so financially unaware that they don't even think of
such alternatives.

Food sent for processing or even animal feed is not 'wasted', 'ditched',
'dumped' or 'ploughed back in'. But of course those pushing an agenda
never give you the true picture, do they?

Post by p-0''0-h the cat (coder)
The truth is if this misshapen stuff was sold at a significant reduction
cos it's worth shit right, people would buy it, but of course the
supermarkets want to keep prices inflated so it's never gonna happen.

Supermarkets will sell whatever they can make a good profit on. But
selling wonky veg will only detract from their sales of Grade A produce,
so they may not see it as particularly attractive. Moreover, it won't
save the planet. They won't sell any more veg overall; they'll just
perhaps buy less of the Grade A stuff. And who does that help?

[p-0''0-h the cat (coder)]

Post by Norman Wells

Post by p-0''0-h the cat (coder)

Post by Norman Wells

Post by p-0''0-h the cat (coder)

Post by Norman Wells

Post by tim...

Post by tim...

Post by p-0''0-h the cat (coder)

Post by Norman Wells

Post by p-0''0-h the cat (coder)
Yet Norman reckons we have a food crisis.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-business-45238732

What do you think processors use to produce pies, soups, sauces,
veggiburgers, veggie sausages, instant mash, oven chips etc etc etc?
And where do you think they get them?

"A University of Edinburgh study found more than 50 million tonnes of
fruit and vegetables grown across Europe were discarded each year.
This was in part because they did not meet consumers' expectations of
how they should look."
Try harder.

How they look doesn't matter to processors.  That's where the wonky
ones go.  It's a very efficient system.
If you're hanging on the word 'discarded', that just means they
don't go to the supermarkets as Grade A produce but go to processors
instead.
If you think they're just 'thrown away', you don't know farmers very well.

though some farmers do claim that they are "thrown away"

Do they?  Where?

it's been reported in several newspapers

Then you'll be able to quote them to make your point, won't you?

Home made potato salad. Potatoes and chives fresh from the plot, squirt
of Hellemans and sea salt. I am licking my paws.
Beetroot simmering on the stove and Rhubarb crumble in the oven.
Stoneground organic plain flour, organic butter, and organic cane sugar.
All veg from tiny plot. How difficult is this.
Yum, yum, yum.
I even give veg and fruit away.
No weedkillers pesticides chemical fertilizers. In fact the only
fertilizer is homemade compost.

Has that got anything at all to do with the matter in hand?

Yes, you said we are running out of food and that we need to chuck tons
of chemicals on them else we are all gonna starve. I on the other hand
do very little work and the stuff grows without all that crap. Something
doesn't add up. The farmers are dumping and ploughing back loads of
unwanted veg. You reckon not but it's true.
https://www.edie.net/news/5/Hughs-war-on-waste-supermarket-household-food-waste-statistics/

That's his schtick of course, so you can't expect much sense from him
except what suits his agenda. Interestingly, although the article says
'forced to ditch' and 'forced to throw away' it's not the farmer saying
that, and it's not made clear exactly what is meant either. The
assumption seems to be that anything not accepted as Grade A produce for
the supermarket shelves is 'ditched' or 'thrown away' or even, as you
further inflate it 'dumped' or 'ploughed back in'. These are totally
unwarranted assumptions, for which there is precious little evidence.
There are other outlets for sub-standard fruit and veg including food
processors and even animal feed. And it's pretty patronising to think
that farmers are so financially unaware that they don't even think of
such alternatives.

Ask Bouffy what left over fruit and veg he feeds to his cattle. I bet
none. There are loads of issues. Even with pigs. Lots of stuff we eat is
dodgy for animals even poisonous. It's not as easy as you think or even
economic.

Post by Norman Wells
Food sent for processing or even animal feed is not 'wasted', 'ditched',
'dumped' or 'ploughed back in'. But of course those pushing an agenda
never give you the true picture, do they?

Likewise.

Post by Norman Wells

Post by p-0''0-h the cat (coder)
The truth is if this misshapen stuff was sold at a significant reduction
cos it's worth shit right, people would buy it, but of course the
supermarkets want to keep prices inflated so it's never gonna happen.

Supermarkets will sell whatever they can make a good profit on. But
selling wonky veg will only detract from their sales of Grade A produce,
so they may not see it as particularly attractive. Moreover, it won't
save the planet. They won't sell any more veg overall; they'll just
perhaps buy less of the Grade A stuff.

So now you are excepting that we have a surfeit. I thought we were in
danger of starving.

Post by Norman Wells
And who does that help?

The poor.

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The truth is if this misshapen stuff was sold at a significant reduction
cos it's worth shit right, people would buy it, but of course the
supermarkets want to keep prices inflated so it's never gonna happen.

Supermarkets will sell whatever they can make a good profit on. But
selling wonky veg will only detract from their sales of Grade A produce,
so they may not see it as particularly attractive. Moreover, it won't
save the planet. They won't sell any more veg overall; they'll just
perhaps buy less of the Grade A stuff.

So now you are excepting that we have a surfeit. I thought we were in
danger of starving.

For the time being we're OK, and I've never said otherwise. Either your
comprehension or your memory is at fault if you think I have. But there
will come a time when the population runs ahead of supply, and then
we're in big trouble. We can't expect food production to keep pace with
a population increasing by 40% every 50 years or so, as it is. It will
be 10 billion in 2050, up from about 7 billion today.

You can choose to believe otherwise if you like. But you'll be hiding
your head in the sand, unwilling to face reality.

And if you think organic production is the way to go, when it requires
one extra field for every two we currently cultivate just to achieve the
same yields, you need to sit down very carefully with a map sometime and
tell us where they all are.

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Post by Norman Wells
And who does that help?

The poor.

I doubt it. They're not huge consumers of fresh veg, wonky or not.

No, wonky veg is entirely a middle-class affectation based on the
assumption that it would all be thrown away or ploughed in if it weren't
eaten by them, and isn't that a catastrophe for the planet? Sad that it
isn't true, but you can't tell them that, they're oblivious.

[p-0''0-h the cat (coder)]

Post by Norman Wells

Post by p-0''0-h the cat (coder)

Post by Norman Wells

Post by p-0''0-h the cat (coder)
The truth is if this misshapen stuff was sold at a significant reduction
cos it's worth shit right, people would buy it, but of course the
supermarkets want to keep prices inflated so it's never gonna happen.

Supermarkets will sell whatever they can make a good profit on. But
selling wonky veg will only detract from their sales of Grade A produce,
so they may not see it as particularly attractive. Moreover, it won't
save the planet. They won't sell any more veg overall; they'll just
perhaps buy less of the Grade A stuff.

So now you are excepting that we have a surfeit. I thought we were in
danger of starving.

For the time being we're OK, and I've never said otherwise. Either your
comprehension or your memory is at fault if you think I have. But there
will come a time when the population runs ahead of supply, and then
we're in big trouble. We can't expect food production to keep pace with
a population increasing by 40% every 50 years or so, as it is. It will
be 10 billion in 2050, up from about 7 billion today.
You can choose to believe otherwise if you like. But you'll be hiding
your head in the sand, unwilling to face reality.

The idea that the population in the UK can keep increasing is untenable.
Sooner or later we need to change. Not my problem. I'll be long dead.
You seem to only have one solution. I think the last thing we should be
doing is following your route. We probably will of course because our
politicians are gutless. Let's hope the future is populated by sensible
people who come to a suitable bloodless solution to the problem. I doubt
it though. Every numpty with a belief in deities will claim some shit
about God's will etc and the blood will flow or we might get lucky and
have a plague.

Post by Norman Wells
And if you think organic production is the way to go, when it requires
one extra field for every two we currently cultivate just to achieve the
same yields, you need to sit down very carefully with a map sometime and
tell us where they all are.

Post by p-0''0-h the cat (coder)

Post by Norman Wells
And who does that help?

The poor.

I doubt it. They're not huge consumers of fresh veg, wonky or not.
No, wonky veg is entirely a middle-class affectation based on the
assumption that it would all be thrown away or ploughed in if it weren't
eaten by them, and isn't that a catastrophe for the planet? Sad that it
isn't true, but you can't tell them that, they're oblivious.

I see you have given up on the feeding animals fantasy [wise choice] but
quelle surprise you've gone for the middle classes. Nice twist. Like it.
In fact in one fell swoop you took a swipe at the working class and
their bad diet and the middle class liberal twitterati save the planet
green lobby. You're gifted. Munch on a raw carrot. One of those watery
chem grown one's. You've earned it.



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Post by Norman Wells

Post by p-0''0-h the cat (coder)
Yet Norman reckons we have a food crisis.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-business-45238732

What do you think processors use to produce pies, soups, sauces,
veggiburgers, veggie sausages, instant mash, oven chips etc etc etc?
And where do you think they get them?

"A University of Edinburgh study found more than 50 million tonnes of
fruit and vegetables grown across Europe were discarded each year.
This was in part because they did not meet consumers' expectations of
how they should look."
Try harder.

How they look doesn't matter to processors. That's where the wonky
ones go. It's a very efficient system.
If you're hanging on the word 'discarded', that just means they
don't go to the supermarkets as Grade A produce but go to processors
instead.
If you think they're just 'thrown away', you don't know farmers very well.

though some farmers do claim that they are "thrown away"

Do they? Where?

it's been reported in several newspapers

Then you'll be able to quote them to make your point, won't you?

Home made potato salad. Potatoes and chives fresh from the plot, squirt
of Hellemans and sea salt. I am licking my paws.

really!?

tim

[p-0''0-h the cat (coder)]

Post by tim...

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Post by Norman Wells

Post by tim...

Post by Norman Wells

Post by tim...

Post by Norman Wells

Post by p-0''0-h the cat (coder)

Post by Norman Wells

Post by p-0''0-h the cat (coder)
Yet Norman reckons we have a food crisis.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-business-45238732

What do you think processors use to produce pies, soups, sauces,
veggiburgers, veggie sausages, instant mash, oven chips etc etc etc?
And where do you think they get them?

"A University of Edinburgh study found more than 50 million tonnes of
fruit and vegetables grown across Europe were discarded each year.
This was in part because they did not meet consumers' expectations of
how they should look."
Try harder.

How they look doesn't matter to processors. That's where the wonky
ones go. It's a very efficient system.
If you're hanging on the word 'discarded', that just means they
don't go to the supermarkets as Grade A produce but go to processors
instead.
If you think they're just 'thrown away', you don't know farmers very well.

though some farmers do claim that they are "thrown away"

Do they? Where?

it's been reported in several newspapers

Then you'll be able to quote them to make your point, won't you?

Home made potato salad. Potatoes and chives fresh from the plot, squirt
of Hellemans and sea salt. I am licking my paws.

really!?

Yeah. I grew up thinking potato salad came out of tins. Fucking
disgusting like sugar lump shaped congealed wallpaper paste [old style
flour and water] in flour and water. I think they still sell it. Norman
probably eats it.

Potatoes straight from the patch .... yummy.

I have to be quick and never leave it unattended else the misses will
nick the lot.

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Post by Norman Wells

Post by tim...

Post by Norman Wells

Post by BurfordTJustice
On Sun, 19 Aug 2018 18:26:43 +0100, Norman Wells

Post by Norman Wells

Post by p-0''0-h the cat (coder)
Yet Norman reckons we have a food crisis.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-business-45238732

What do you think processors use to produce pies, soups, sauces,
veggiburgers, veggie sausages, instant mash, oven chips etc etc etc?
And where do you think they get them?

"A University of Edinburgh study found more than 50 million tonnes of
fruit and vegetables grown across Europe were discarded each year.
This was in part because they did not meet consumers' expectations of
how they should look."
Try harder.

How they look doesn't matter to processors. That's where the wonky
ones go. It's a very efficient system.
If you're hanging on the word 'discarded', that just means they
don't go to the supermarkets as Grade A produce but go to processors
instead.
If you think they're just 'thrown away', you don't know farmers
very
well.

though some farmers do claim that they are "thrown away"

Do they? Where?

it's been reported in several newspapers

Then you'll be able to quote them to make your point, won't you?

Home made potato salad. Potatoes and chives fresh from the plot, squirt
of Hellemans and sea salt. I am licking my paws.

really!?

Yeah. I grew up thinking potato salad came out of tins.

no

plastic boxes,

but that's not the point

personally I don't think that chives add anything to the product

so it's potato and mayonnaise and salt

but why the salt?

ISTM that all of the taste in the product come from the mayonnaise.

the rest is superfluous

tim

[Yitzhak Isaac Goldstein]

Post by tim...
ISTM that all of the taste in the product come from the mayonnaise.

ITYM 'mayonnaise is what happens when the devil wanks off into a jar'.

HTH, HaND etc.

Y.

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Post by tim...

Post by Norman Wells

Post by tim...

Post by Norman Wells

Post by p-0''0-h the cat (coder)

Post by Norman Wells

Post by p-0''0-h the cat (coder)
Yet Norman reckons we have a food crisis.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-business-45238732

What do you think processors use to produce pies, soups, sauces,
veggiburgers, veggie sausages, instant mash, oven chips etc etc etc?
And where do you think they get them?

"A University of Edinburgh study found more than 50 million tonnes of
fruit and vegetables grown across Europe were discarded each year.
This was in part because they did not meet consumers' expectations of
how they should look."
Try harder.

How they look doesn't matter to processors. That's where the wonky
ones go. It's a very efficient system.
If you're hanging on the word 'discarded', that just means they don't
go to the supermarkets as Grade A produce but go to processors instead.
If you think they're just 'thrown away', you don't know farmers very well.

though some farmers do claim that they are "thrown away"

Do they? Where?

it's been reported in several newspapers

Then you'll be able to quote them to make your point, won't you?

the article that someone else has already posted said it

didn't you read it?

tim

[Norman Wells]

Post by tim...

Post by Norman Wells

Post by tim...

Post by tim...

Post by p-0''0-h the cat (coder)

Post by Norman Wells

Post by p-0''0-h the cat (coder)
Yet Norman reckons we have a food crisis.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-business-45238732

What do you think processors use to produce pies, soups, sauces,
veggiburgers, veggie sausages, instant mash, oven chips etc etc etc?
And where do you think they get them?

"A University of Edinburgh study found more than 50 million tonnes of
fruit and vegetables grown across Europe were discarded each year.
This was in part because they did not meet consumers'
expectations of
how they should look."
Try harder.

How they look doesn't matter to processors.  That's where the
wonky ones go.  It's a very efficient system.
If you're hanging on the word 'discarded', that just means they
don't go to the supermarkets as Grade A produce but go to
processors instead.
If you think they're just 'thrown away', you don't know farmers very well.

though some farmers do claim that they are "thrown away"

Do they?  Where?

it's been reported in several newspapers

Then you'll be able to quote them to make your point, won't you?

the article that someone else has already posted said it
didn't you read it?

Not only read it, but dismissed it as not saying what you allege. As
you would too if you considered it critcally.

[tim...]

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Post by Norman Wells

Post by tim...

Post by Norman Wells

Post by tim...

Post by Norman Wells

Post by p-0''0-h the cat (coder)

Post by Norman Wells

Post by p-0''0-h the cat (coder)
Yet Norman reckons we have a food crisis.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-business-45238732

What do you think processors use to produce pies, soups, sauces,
veggiburgers, veggie sausages, instant mash, oven chips etc etc etc?
And where do you think they get them?

"A University of Edinburgh study found more than 50 million tonnes of
fruit and vegetables grown across Europe were discarded each year.
This was in part because they did not meet consumers' expectations of
how they should look."
Try harder.

How they look doesn't matter to processors. That's where the wonky
ones go. It's a very efficient system.
If you're hanging on the word 'discarded', that just means they
don't go to the supermarkets as Grade A produce but go to processors
instead.
If you think they're just 'thrown away', you don't know farmers very well.

though some farmers do claim that they are "thrown away"

Do they? Where?

it's been reported in several newspapers

Then you'll be able to quote them to make your point, won't you?

the article that someone else has already posted said it
didn't you read it?

Not only read it, but dismissed it as not saying what you allege. As you
would too if you considered it critcally.

what part of "Vast quantities of fresh produce grown in the US are left in
the field to rot ..."

do you claim does not imply that some of the food is "thrown away"?

I accept that the term "vast quantities" applies to the categories that
follow the dots, but nevertheless the article has to be claiming that some
food is left in the fields to rot.

which is what I claimed (not that it is, that some people say that it is)

tim

[Norman Wells]

Post by tim...

Post by tim...

Post by Norman Wells

Post by tim...

Post by tim...

Post by p-0''0-h the cat (coder)

Post by Norman Wells
What do you think processors use to produce pies, soups, sauces,
veggiburgers, veggie sausages, instant mash, oven chips etc etc etc?
And where do you think they get them?

"A University of Edinburgh study found more than 50 million tonnes of
fruit and vegetables grown across Europe were discarded each year.
This was in part because they did not meet consumers'
expectations of how they should look."
Try harder.

How they look doesn't matter to processors.  That's where the
wonky ones go.  It's a very efficient system.
If you're hanging on the word 'discarded', that just means they
don't go to the supermarkets as Grade A produce but go to
processors instead.
If you think they're just 'thrown away', you don't know farmers very well.

though some farmers do claim that they are "thrown away"

Do they?  Where?

it's been reported in several newspapers

Then you'll be able to quote them to make your point, won't you?

the article that someone else has already posted said it
didn't you read it?

Not only read it, but dismissed it as not saying what you allege.  As
you would too if you considered it critcally.

what part of "Vast quantities of fresh produce grown in the US are left
in the field to rot ..."
do you claim does not imply that some of the food is "thrown away"?
I accept that the term "vast quantities" applies to the categories that
follow the dots,

Indeed, including 'fed to livestock', and another category not even
mentioned because it didn't even occur to the silly writers, namely
'sent for processing'.

Post by tim...
but nevertheless the article has to be claiming that
some food is left in the fields to rot.

It's always possible to find isolated examples of anything you look for
hard enough. And I don't doubt that some such examples exist. But
farmers aren't daft, especially in countries like the UK where demand
exceeds supply. I would think it's very rare in the UK that grown crops
are just left to rot..

[BurfordTJustice]

Where do they say this?




"tim..." <***@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:ple0l6$jil$***@dont-email.me...
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: > On 19/08/2018 18:58, p-0''0-h the cat (coder) wrote:
: >> On Sun, 19 Aug 2018 18:26:43 +0100, Norman Wells <***@unseen.ac.am>
: >> wrote:
: >>
: >>> On 19/08/2018 17:26, p-0''0-h the cat (coder) wrote:
: >>>>
: >>>> Yet Norman reckons we have a food crisis.
: >>>>
: >>>> https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-business-45238732
: >>>
: >>> What do you think processors use to produce pies, soups, sauces,
: >>> veggiburgers, veggie sausages, instant mash, oven chips etc etc etc?
: >>>
: >>> And where do you think they get them?
: >>
: >> "A University of Edinburgh study found more than 50 million tonnes of
: >> fruit and vegetables grown across Europe were discarded each year.
: >>
: >> This was in part because they did not meet consumers' expectations of
: >> how they should look."
: >>
: >> Try harder.
: >
: > How they look doesn't matter to processors. That's where the wonky ones
: > go. It's a very efficient system.
: >
: > If you're hanging on the word 'discarded', that just means they don't go
: > to the supermarkets as Grade A produce but go to processors instead.
: >
: > If you think they're just 'thrown away', you don't know farmers very
well.
:
: though some farmers do claim that they are "thrown away"
:
: tim
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:
:

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Post by Norman Wells

Post by p-0''0-h the cat (coder)
Yet Norman reckons we have a food crisis.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-business-45238732

What do you think processors use to produce pies, soups, sauces,
veggiburgers, veggie sausages, instant mash, oven chips etc etc etc?

Not to mention Holland and Barrett vitamin pills.

Post by Norman Wells
And where do you think they get them?

Reconstituted Holland and Barrett vitamin pills that are past their sell-by date.

[BurfordTJustice]

Exactly what is wrong with one past the "sell-by" date??



"Incubus" <***@gmail.com> wrote in message news:ple2gc$o5o$***@dont-email.me...
: On 2018-08-19, Norman Wells <***@unseen.ac.am> wrote:
: > On 19/08/2018 17:26, p-0''0-h the cat (coder) wrote:
: >>
: >> Yet Norman reckons we have a food crisis.
: >>
: >> https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-business-45238732
: >
: > What do you think processors use to produce pies, soups, sauces,
: > veggiburgers, veggie sausages, instant mash, oven chips etc etc etc?
:
: Not to mention Holland and Barrett vitamin pills.
:
: > And where do you think they get them?
:
: Reconstituted Holland and Barrett vitamin pills that are past their
sell-by date.

[Ophelia]

Post by Norman Wells

Post by p-0''0-h the cat (coder)
Yet Norman reckons we have a food crisis.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-business-45238732

What do you think processors use to produce pies, soups, sauces,
veggiburgers, veggie sausages, instant mash, oven chips etc etc etc?

Not to mention Holland and Barrett vitamin pills.

Post by Norman Wells
And where do you think they get them?

Reconstituted Holland and Barrett vitamin pills that are past their sell-by
date.

==

lol