Steve Hayes
2009-09-16 01:47:08 UTC
[Default] On Tue, 15 Sep 2009 13:26:54 +0200, Steve Hayes
"Beatnik" to "Hippy"I thought it was the Beatniks who were the
predecessors of Hippies ... with some influence and cross-over from
the West Coast surfing and skateboarding cultures.
Though I never went anywhere near California at that or any other time, IWhich begs the question.
Hipsters were the predecessors of hippies.
As someone who was living in California during the transition fromHipsters were the predecessors of hippies.
"Beatnik" to "Hippy"I thought it was the Beatniks who were the
predecessors of Hippies ... with some influence and cross-over from
the West Coast surfing and skateboarding cultures.
nevertheless was interested in the topic.
It is a topic that has been touched on tangentially in aue many times,
particularly in relation to Richard Fontana's theories about the metamorphosis
of "cool".
As I understand it, a "hipster" was orginally a jazz fan, and especially a fan
of "cool" jazz, a "hip" or "hep" cat.
In Beat Generation circles it was extended to mean someone who was hip to the
lies of mainstream culture, and who disaffiliated from it and rejected its
values, who did not get over excited over the things pimped by the advertising
industry and so on, who was detached from all the frenzy about brands and
fashion and so on (that was the essence of "cool" in those days).
As Lawrence Lipton put it in his book "The holy barbarians" (Lipton 1959:150).
"The New Poverty is the disaffiliate's answer to the New
Prosperity. It is important to make a living. It is even more
important to make a life. Poverty. The very word is taboo in a
society where success is equated with virtue and poverty is a
sin. Yet it has an honourable ancestry. St. Francis of Assisi
revered poverty as his bride, with holy fervor and pious
rapture. The poverty of the disaffiliate is not to be confused
with the poverty of indigence, intemperance, improvidence or
failure. It is simply that the goods and services he has to
offer are not valued at a high price in our society. As one
beat generation writer said to the square who offered him an
advertising job: 'I'll scrub your floors and carry out your
slops to make a living, but I will not lie for you, pimp for
you, stool for you or rat for you.' It is not the poverty of
the ill-tempered and embittered, those who wooed the bitch
goddess Success with panting breath and came away rebuffed. It
is an independent, voluntary poverty."
So the hipster, or the beat, had a cool and detached attitude to the frenzy of
the striving for success in mainstream society.
"Beatniks" were groupies or wannabes. The word was coined by a journalist by
analogy with "sputnik" -- beatniks were those who were in orbit around the
beat movement, but were not central to it.
By the late sixties "hipster" had got shortened to "hippie", and while the
hippies were successors to the beats as a countercultural movement, they were
a little less cool. To be "cool" suggested being detached, laid back, not
excited by the constant changes of fashion and the striving for success. It
was the role of a passive and cynical observer.
Hippies were more active, and more positive in trying not merely to
disaffiliate from mainstream culture, but to try to create an alternative to
it, an alternative culture and an alternative society.
But the impression I got from the article that started this threat is that the
writer was using "hipster" in an entirely different sense, to mean something
almost opposite from what it meant in the 1950s and 1950s.
I wondered how widespread that usage is -- can other people explain the
writer's usage, and do they share that understanding of the word today, and
how did it get to mean almost the opposite of what it meant 50 years ago?
Would RF say that this too is down to "the Fonz"?
I watch "Top Gear" on TV, and there they discuss what constitutes a "cool"
car, and it is clear that their idea of "cool" is very different from mine. My
1961 Peugeot station wagon, with rusty door panels and empty cold-drink cans
rolling around on the floor, bought cheap from an open air used car lot where
a rickety wooden shack was the "office", bought on the "zero maintenance"
plan, was my idea of a "cool" car, but I doubt very much if the "Top Gear"
people are using "cool" in that sense.
The guy whose death was described in the article in question sounded anything
but "hip" to me, the very opposite of "hip", in fact. So I still wonder what
the writer meant by "hipster", and whether other people understand "hipster"
in the same way, and can explain what they mean by it.
--
Steve Hayes from Tshwane, South Africa
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Steve Hayes from Tshwane, South Africa
Web: http://hayesfam.bravehost.com/stevesig.htm
Blog: http://methodius.blogspot.com
E-mail - see web page, or parse: shayes at dunelm full stop org full stop uk