Post by aaaPost by Lucifer MorningstarPost by aaaPost by Lucifer MorningstarPost by aaaPost by Lucifer MorningstarPost by aaaPost by Lucifer MorningstarPost by aaaOn Fri, 23 Dec 2016 00:26:04 -0000 (UTC), aaa
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Post by aaaPost by Lucifer MorningstarCan you imagine if heaven had democratic elections?
God would be out on his all-powerful arse at the first
election!
We would vote in a being that would give us all an
excellent life immediately here on earth.
All human ideologies are results of falling away from the truth.
It actual shows the miserable human condition without God
who is the truth.
Why does God make us miserable?
Without God is the definition of miserable.
Not in the real world.
Yes, it is. God supports life by providing life with happiness and love,
and all the other living energies necessary to life.
God is everywhere, right?
Yes, but God supports life from the person's heart.
You are speaking metaphoricaly I presume.
No. I'm saying it literally.
The heart is literally a pump.
Which happens to be our spiritual home too.
The heart can only be a pump.
That's physically speaking. I'm speaking spiritually. The spiritual is
real.
You mean metaphorical, right? By heart you mean brain.
No. It's literally real. When I say by heart, I mean by heart. My heart
is as real as your brain and much, much more.
Everything that exists is equally real. The spiritual is not real.
Post by aaaPost by Lucifer MorningstarPost by aaaOur life relies on the spiritual to function in this world. Because
physical objects don't have a spiritual nature, it's why they don't have
life and don't have mind. Our mind and our life all come from the
spiritual.
I will need your definition of spiritual as you misuse it.
The spiritual is not a mere concept. It's much more than a concept. You
can try to understand my deeper meaning of spiritual based on your
dictionary definition of spiritual. I can't give you a final definition
of spiritual. It's not possible.
I need your definition to know what you are saying.
Post by aaaPost by Lucifer MorningstarPost by aaaPost by Lucifer MorningstarPost by aaaPost by Lucifer MorningstarGod needs to access us via our brain.
No, the mind is the result of intelligence coming from the heart. God
is the source of intelligence in the heart. That's why God can see
everything that we see and know everything that we know. God does not
need to access us. God is already within us.
Where do you get your ideas from?
It comes from the inspiration coming from my heart.
No really! Where do you get your ideas from?
Which branch of Christianity resides in your mind?
I know nothing about religion.
Your beliefs are religion.
Post by aaaWhat I said is actually a fact of my life.
It appears you are Catholic as you worship an icon.
Post by aaaPost by Lucifer MorningstarPost by aaaPost by Lucifer MorningstarPost by aaaPost by Lucifer MorningstarI suggest you give God that information next time you speak to him.
God thinks the moon is a light!
I don't speak to God, and God never speaks to me either.
You don't pray?
I do, but I pray to my heart instead of an image in my mind.
So you pray to an idol. You must be Catholic.
No. My heart is not what I can imagine. The God in my heart is not an
image in my mind. I can not see the God in my heart, but I know him, and
he knows me better than I know myself.
People use heart as a metaphor.
The brain is where all our thoughts reside.
Post by aaaPost by Lucifer MorningstarPost by aaaPost by Lucifer MorningstarPost by aaaPost by Lucifer MorningstarPost by aaaPost by Lucifer MorningstarPost by aaaPost by aaaWhenever we serve God, we will always be rewarded with those
living energies. It's how life can be happy and healthy. When we
are Without God, we will not be able to serve God. As the
result, we will not receive those living energies like happiness
and love from God. Without happiness and love, life suffers.
It's how and why life becomes miserable.
Do you believe God is the creator of everything?
Yes. What exactly are you asking?
If God is the creator of everything then God is responsible for
how everything works.
Not necessarily. God's will is always the good will. God is not
responsible for evil.
Not even in Isaiah 45:7?
The creator of everything must be responsible for everything.
Except evil.
What about Isaiah 45:7?
Nothing wrong with that. It actually means that it is God who defines
evil.
God seems proud to be the creator of evil.
God defines evil, but God does not do evil, so God is never evil.
God is pure evil.
Post by aaaPost by Lucifer MorningstarPost by aaaPost by Lucifer MorningstarPost by aaaPost by Lucifer MorningstarPost by aaaPost by Lucifer MorningstarPost by aaaPost by aaaPost by aaaIt's also called suffering.
Why does God make us miserable?
God does not make us suffer. We suffer because we don't know
where God is and how to serve God. God is in our heart. We can
only serve God by living our life for the God in our heart.
It appears from the bible that God wants to make our lives miserable.
The bible describes God as a simple minded evil maniac.
What are your thoughts on that?
That you are misunderstanding the teaching of the Bible.
That's very easy to do.
Post by aaaYou can reach such conclusion is because you haven't realized the
Bible truth.
I reached that conclusion because of what is in the bible.
But you have misunderstood the Bible.
Perhaps it is you who has misunderstood the bible.
It's possible. What do you want to teach me about the Bible?
I'd like you to see the bible as it is.
No problem with that, but have you found the Bible truth yet? Without
the Bible truth, there is nothing you can see in the Bible.
I know the truth about the bible but I still need your definition of
truth as you misuse it.
I can't give you a definition of truth. I don't have one.
Now you do.
From https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/truth
Definition of truth
plural truths play \'trüthz, 'trüths\
1
a archaic : fidelity, constancyb : sincerity in action,
character, and utterance
2
a (1) : the state of being the case : fact (2) : the body of
real things, events, and facts : actuality (3) often capitalized : a
transcendent fundamental or spiritual realityb : a judgment,
proposition, or idea that is true or accepted as true <truths of
thermodynamics>c : the body of true statements and propositions
3
a : the property (as of a statement) of being in accord with fact
or realityb chiefly British : true 2c : fidelity to an original or
to a standard
4
capitalized Christian Science : god
in truth
: in accordance with fact : actually
Post by aaaPost by Lucifer MorningstarPost by aaaPost by Lucifer MorningstarPost by aaaPost by Lucifer MorningstarPost by aaaPost by Lucifer MorningstarPost by aaaWithout the truth, your judgment of the Bible will always be wrong
and make God evil.
I know the truth about the bible and the God described within is
stupid and evil. God thinks the moon is a light!
No. The ancient people thought the moon was a light. God did not
have to correct them for you. God understood the ancient people, but
you don't.
The ancient people thought they understood God.
They were closer to God than us, yes.
And their lives were much shorter.
But much peaceful and happier.
I doubt that.
I don't.
Post by Lucifer MorningstarPost by aaaPost by Lucifer MorningstarPost by aaaPost by Lucifer MorningstarPost by aaaIf you knew the truth of the Bible, you wouldn't talk about the
Bible in such a way.
I know how the bible came to be.
So do I. The Bible was written by God himself.
The bible was compiled by a committee.
That's not a problem for God. God knows everyone and sees everyone. God
can direct a committee as easy as he directs a single person.
Is God capable of giving us all a good life?
God is more than capable to give us all a good life.
Then why is God not doing so?
Post by aaaAre we capable to receive a good life from God? very doubtful.
A moment ago you said God is more than capable to give us all a
good life.
Why did God choose to make us incapable of receiving a good life?
Post by aaaPost by Lucifer MorningstarPost by aaaPost by Lucifer MorningstarPost by aaaPost by Lucifer MorningstarPost by aaaPost by Lucifer MorningstarPost by aaaSince God can not be evil, your judgment only proves how wrong you
can be without the truth, and how far you can go with your self-
righteousness to be against God.
Is it possible you could be wrong about God?
Possible but not likely.
Then you must consider that I could be right.
Not when you are against God.
Why would anyone be against God?
Good question. No one in his right mind would be against God. Yet, we
have all sinned against God.
Do you think God was not in his right mind when he forced sin on all of
us?
God did no such thing. We fell in sin out of ignorance.
Do you think God was not in his right mind when he made us ignorant?
Post by aaaPost by Lucifer MorningstarPost by aaaPost by Lucifer MorningstarPost by aaaPost by Lucifer MorningstarPost by aaaPost by Lucifer MorningstarPost by aaaSince God is the provider and supporter of our own life, when we
go against God, we are going against our own life.
The reverse seems to be true. We are living longer and generally
better lives by going against God.
You mean against religion. Religion is not God.
I mean against the God of the bible.
Not possible. Against God is virtual suicide. Life can not be better
by going against God.
Yet it is. You are alive only because of modern medicine.
That's a misunderstanding. We are alive because God is supporting our
lives with the energy of life. It's called consciousness.
Modern science is the result of knowledge given by God. All human
knowledge is given by God.
I'm assuming you are over 30 in which case you would not be alive if you
depended on God.
I'm not sure what you are talking about. Why wouldn't I be alive?
When we depended on God average lifespan was 30 years.
Post by aaaPost by Lucifer MorningstarPost by aaaPost by Lucifer MorningstarPost by aaaPost by Lucifer MorningstarPost by aaaIt would be a mistake if you think that modern people suffer less
than the people in ancient times. I think that the exact opposite is
actually true.
We live much longer thus we have more time to suffer.
But how can we suffer under a loving God?
Surely the news reports are metaphors.
We can't suffer when we are under God, but we must suffer when we are
under sin. Since we are suffering, we are under sin not God.
But God is sin as God is everything.
Why does God want us to sin?
God is everything except sin.
That's not possible.
It's not only possible, it's the way it is. Everything exists because of
God, but sin does not. So sin does not really exist. When we live our
life for sin, we forsake God by believing the non-existent sin real. This
is how we are separated from God.
Please define sin.
Post by aaaPost by Lucifer MorningstarPost by aaaGod doesn't want us to sin because sin would destroy our life.
If that was true God would not have made us all sinners.
God made no one sinner. We made ourselves sinners by believing the sin in
our mind instead of the God in our heart as our-self.
Romans 3:23
For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;
If sin was a choice some would choose not to sin.
Only God can make us all sinners.
Post by aaaPost by Lucifer MorningstarPost by aaaSin can never hurt God, but sin can always hurt us by making us suffer
from our separation from God.
God has no ability to empathise. God is a psychopath.
No. God can always save us from sin if we can believe in him instead of
in sin. God can't stop us if we keep falling away from God's saving hands
by believing in sin.
Sin does not exist.
Post by aaaPost by Lucifer MorningstarPost by aaaPost by Lucifer MorningstarPost by aaaPost by Lucifer MorningstarPost by aaaPost by Lucifer MorningstarPost by aaaThis is virtual suicide, and it's all because we don't know the truth.
Why won't God give us the truth?
Because the truth is not something that can be given.
Not even by an almighty God?
Nothing to do with that. It's because we already have the truth within
us. We just have not realized the truth yet.
Is almighty God not capable of giving us truth?
Of course God is capable, in fact, only God is capable.
You must have been speaking an untruth when you wrote;
You are trying to trick me.
Is it working?
Post by aaaThis is under a different context. We were
discussing the truth in general. Now, I'm talking about the saving truth
that will save us from sin.
Truth is the same under all contexts.
Post by aaaPost by Lucifer MorningstarPost by aaaPost by Lucifer MorningstarPost by aaaPost by Lucifer MorningstarPost by aaaThe truth is everywhere in the entire universe. We can't identify
the truth because the untruth can't exist in the universe for us to
make a reference to recognize the truth.
Please define 'truth' as you misuse it here.
I can't do that. The truth defines us. We can not define the truth.
We can't talk about truth if you will not tell me what truth means to
you.
Truth means everything to me, but there is no way for me to describe the
actual truth itself.
That's a pity because it means we can't discuss truth.
Yes, we can. We can share our understanding of truth to better understand
the truth. The truth is too important to us because our life depends on
it.
Please define truth.
Post by aaaPost by Lucifer MorningstarPost by aaaPost by Lucifer MorningstarPost by aaaPost by Lucifer MorningstarPost by aaaPost by Lucifer MorningstarPost by aaaIt shows how vitally important it is for us to learn and
understand the truth of the Bible which is God's ultimate eternal truth.
The truth of the bible is that it was written to control the
feeble minded like you. Do you like being a slave to your church
masters?
I don't have any church masters. The Bible is not a religious book
either. The Bible is God's spiritual teaching about the truth.
You must have been speaking an untruth when you said we can't
identify the truth because the untruth can't exist in the universe
for us to make a reference to recognise the truth.
No. What exactly are you trying to say?
By writing 'The Bible is God's spiritual teaching about the truth' you
were identifying truth so you must have been telling an untruth when
you wrote 'The truth is everywhere in the entire universe. We can't
identify the truth because the untruth can't exist in the universe for
us to make a reference to recognize the truth.'
No. I was pointing out that the purpose of the Bible is to teach us the
truth. I wasn't identifying the truth. I was explaining the Bible.
You must have been speaking an untruth when you wrote, 'The truth
defines us. We can not define the truth.'
Your logic escapes me. Why do you think that I was defining the truth by
explaining the Bible?
You wrote, 'I was pointing out that the purpose of the Bible is to
teach us the truth.'
Post by aaaPost by Lucifer MorningstarYou don't have a good enough memory to lie.
You don't need a good memory if you tell the truth.
I don't need a good memory to be honest about what I say. I realize what
you are doing. It does not affect me one bit. Keep trying, I don't want
to stop you.
You keep contradicting yourself and you won't define words.
Judge Judy and Doctor Phi say people need a good memory to lie but not
to tell the truth.
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I call shenanigans on all theistic religions