New filters for specific group show 0 days remaining

[Same Guy]

Hi everyone,

Over the last week, recent subject filters in one specific newsgroup
have started to expire when then should have well over 100 days
remaining. When I create a new filter, everything looks fine when I
hit save, but when I immediately open them to verify how many days are
remaining, Agent shows them as having 0 days remaining, not the value
I entered.

If I then close and reopen Agent, the filter is still present and
still shows 0 days. When I open Agent the next day, the filter is
still there and showing 0 days. It is on the second day that the
filter disappears.

Anyone have any ideas as to why this is happening and possible
solutions?

Thanks
--


"The Theater of the Mind Never Closes"

[Barry Schwarz]

Post by Same Guy
Hi everyone,
Over the last week, recent subject filters in one specific newsgroup
have started to expire when then should have well over 100 days
remaining. When I create a new filter, everything looks fine when I
hit save, but when I immediately open them to verify how many days are
remaining, Agent shows them as having 0 days remaining, not the value
I entered.
If I then close and reopen Agent, the filter is still present and
still shows 0 days. When I open Agent the next day, the filter is
still there and showing 0 days. It is on the second day that the
filter disappears.
Anyone have any ideas as to why this is happening and possible
solutions?

I noticed a similar phenomenon when I tried to create a filter with an
expiration count of 365 days. Trial and error showed that the limit
appears to be 357 days (for Agent V4).

[Bill Dugan]

Post by Barry Schwarz

Post by Same Guy
Hi everyone,
Over the last week, recent subject filters in one specific newsgroup
have started to expire when then should have well over 100 days
remaining. When I create a new filter, everything looks fine when I
hit save, but when I immediately open them to verify how many days are
remaining, Agent shows them as having 0 days remaining, not the value
I entered.
If I then close and reopen Agent, the filter is still present and
still shows 0 days. When I open Agent the next day, the filter is
still there and showing 0 days. It is on the second day that the
filter disappears.
Anyone have any ideas as to why this is happening and possible
solutions?

I noticed a similar phenomenon when I tried to create a filter with an
expiration count of 365 days. Trial and error showed that the limit
appears to be 357 days (for Agent V4).

Filter expiration dates in that version were stored as 13-bit counts
of days from Jan 1 1995. That format will overflow June 6 2017, which
would account for problems creating 365-day filters after June 5 2016.
(Credit to Ralph Fox - I learned the format from his filter scripts)

That wouldn't account for the 100-day problem.

Does anyone know if this is changed in the latest version?

[Ralph Fox]

Post by Bill Dugan

Post by Barry Schwarz

Post by Same Guy
Hi everyone,
Over the last week, recent subject filters in one specific newsgroup
have started to expire when then should have well over 100 days
remaining. When I create a new filter, everything looks fine when I
hit save, but when I immediately open them to verify how many days are
remaining, Agent shows them as having 0 days remaining, not the value
I entered.
If I then close and reopen Agent, the filter is still present and
still shows 0 days. When I open Agent the next day, the filter is
still there and showing 0 days. It is on the second day that the
filter disappears.
Anyone have any ideas as to why this is happening and possible
solutions?

I noticed a similar phenomenon when I tried to create a filter with an
expiration count of 365 days. Trial and error showed that the limit
appears to be 357 days (for Agent V4).

Filter expiration dates in that version were stored as 13-bit counts
of days from Jan 1 1995. That format will overflow June 6 2017, which
would account for problems creating 365-day filters after June 5 2016.
(Credit to Ralph Fox - I learned the format from his filter scripts)
That wouldn't account for the 100-day problem.
Does anyone know if this is changed in the latest version?

This does not appear to have changed in Agent 8.00.

[Same Guy]

Thu, 16 Jun 2016 12:34:45 +1200: written by Ralph Fox

Post by Ralph Fox

Post by Bill Dugan

Post by Barry Schwarz

Post by Same Guy
Hi everyone,
Over the last week, recent subject filters in one specific newsgroup
have started to expire when then should have well over 100 days
remaining. When I create a new filter, everything looks fine when I
hit save, but when I immediately open them to verify how many days are
remaining, Agent shows them as having 0 days remaining, not the value
I entered.
If I then close and reopen Agent, the filter is still present and
still shows 0 days. When I open Agent the next day, the filter is
still there and showing 0 days. It is on the second day that the
filter disappears.
Anyone have any ideas as to why this is happening and possible
solutions?

I noticed a similar phenomenon when I tried to create a filter with an
expiration count of 365 days. Trial and error showed that the limit
appears to be 357 days (for Agent V4).

Filter expiration dates in that version were stored as 13-bit counts
of days from Jan 1 1995. That format will overflow June 6 2017, which
would account for problems creating 365-day filters after June 5 2016.
(Credit to Ralph Fox - I learned the format from his filter scripts)
That wouldn't account for the 100-day problem.
Does anyone know if this is changed in the latest version?

This does not appear to have changed in Agent 8.00.

I forgot to mention I am using Agent 7.2 and yes, I am trying to set a
365 day expiration.

What is interesting is that I have a number of duplicate filters for
another group and they have not disappeared which is how I was able
notice that my filters were indeed disappearing.

Basically, the content I filter is sometimes posted by a different
individual to another newsgroup. Would it be correct to assume that
the content I am filtering has not been posted to the second newsgroup
and therefore never triggering the filter which would have caused it
to overflow and disappear?

I just set a new filter with a 300 day expiration in the group for
which I am having issues and it shows 300 days remaining when I open
the filter.

Thank you for the help and insight everyone as this is an interesting
issue and I will be following the discussions here.
--


"The Theater of the Mind Never Closes"

[Ralph Fox]

Post by Same Guy
What is interesting is that I have a number of duplicate filters for
another group and they have not disappeared which is how I was able
notice that my filters were indeed disappearing.
Basically, the content I filter is sometimes posted by a different
individual to another newsgroup. Would it be correct to assume that
the content I am filtering has not been posted to the second newsgroup
and therefore never triggering the filter which would have caused it
to overflow and disappear?

If the filters window is open, expired filters do not disappear.

If the filters window is not open, expired filters should
disappear when filtering new headers, regardless of whether the
expired filter matches a message.

If it is the second case, check whether filtering is disabled.
There are 3 places to check:

1) (*select folder*) >> Folder >> Properties >> Receiving Messages >> Usenet Filters
[x] Disable filtering for this folder

2) Folder >> Default Properties >> Receiving Messages >> Usenet Filters
[x] Disable filtering for all folders

3) Folder >> Property Schemes >> (*select scheme*) >> Receiving Messages >> Usenet Filters
[x] Disable filtering for this folder
Actually means for folders which are in this scheme.

[Same Guy]

Fri, 17 Jun 2016 18:34:11 +1200: written by Ralph Fox

Post by Ralph Fox

Post by Same Guy
What is interesting is that I have a number of duplicate filters for
another group and they have not disappeared which is how I was able
notice that my filters were indeed disappearing.
Basically, the content I filter is sometimes posted by a different
individual to another newsgroup. Would it be correct to assume that
the content I am filtering has not been posted to the second newsgroup
and therefore never triggering the filter which would have caused it
to overflow and disappear?

If the filters window is open, expired filters do not disappear.
If the filters window is not open, expired filters should
disappear when filtering new headers, regardless of whether the
expired filter matches a message.
If it is the second case, check whether filtering is disabled.
1) (*select folder*) >> Folder >> Properties >> Receiving Messages >> Usenet Filters
[x] Disable filtering for this folder
2) Folder >> Default Properties >> Receiving Messages >> Usenet Filters
[x] Disable filtering for all folders
3) Folder >> Property Schemes >> (*select scheme*) >> Receiving Messages >> Usenet Filters
[x] Disable filtering for this folder
Actually means for folders which are in this scheme.

Actually, neither of those options apply as I no longer keep the
filter window open between sessions since I learned about that bug a
while back and I checked the 3 places you listed and the 'disable
filtering' option is not checked in any of them.

Thanks for taking the time to highlight the areas to check for the
observed behavior
.
--


"The Theater of the Mind Never Closes"

[Micky]

Post by Same Guy
Hi everyone,
Over the last week, recent subject filters in one specific newsgroup
have started to expire when then should have well over 100 days
remaining. When I create a new filter, everything looks fine when I
hit save, but when I immediately open them to verify how many days are
remaining, Agent shows them as having 0 days remaining, not the value
I entered.
If I then close and reopen Agent, the filter is still present and
still shows 0 days. When I open Agent the next day, the filter is
still there and showing 0 days. It is on the second day that the
filter disappears.
Anyone have any ideas as to why this is happening and possible
solutions?
Thanks

Why have filters disappear at all? If the poster is a moron, what are
the odds he won't be a year from now?

Anyhow, wouldn't that solve your disappearing filter problem?

[Ralph Fox]

Post by Micky
Why have filters disappear at all?

So I don't have 18 years of filters for nyms which are no longer used.

Post by Micky
If the poster is a moron, what are
the odds he won't be a year from now?

Some give up and go, others dump the old nym and take on a new one.
For those that take on a new nym
* I can killfile the new nym;
* I don't remove the old filter immediately in case the nym is re-used.
I let Agent do the dirty work of checking whether the nym has not
been used for some months, and if so removing the old filter after
some months of no use.

[Marc Wilson]

In alt.usenet.offline-reader.forte-agent, (Micky) wrote in

Post by Micky

Post by Same Guy
Hi everyone,
Over the last week, recent subject filters in one specific newsgroup
have started to expire when then should have well over 100 days
remaining. When I create a new filter, everything looks fine when I
hit save, but when I immediately open them to verify how many days are
remaining, Agent shows them as having 0 days remaining, not the value
I entered.
If I then close and reopen Agent, the filter is still present and
still shows 0 days. When I open Agent the next day, the filter is
still there and showing 0 days. It is on the second day that the
filter disappears.
Anyone have any ideas as to why this is happening and possible
solutions?
Thanks

Why have filters disappear at all? If the poster is a moron, what are
the odds he won't be a year from now?

I tend to use "remove filter after [90] days [x] of inactivity".

Some are just passing trolls, some are time-senstive by nature, e.g.
about events that come and go.

[Micky]

On Sat, 18 Jun 2016 12:47:13 +0100, Marc Wilson

Post by Marc Wilson
In alt.usenet.offline-reader.forte-agent, (Micky) wrote in

Post by Micky

Post by Same Guy
Hi everyone,
Over the last week, recent subject filters in one specific newsgroup
have started to expire when then should have well over 100 days
remaining. When I create a new filter, everything looks fine when I
hit save, but when I immediately open them to verify how many days are
remaining, Agent shows them as having 0 days remaining, not the value
I entered.
If I then close and reopen Agent, the filter is still present and
still shows 0 days. When I open Agent the next day, the filter is
still there and showing 0 days. It is on the second day that the
filter disappears.
Anyone have any ideas as to why this is happening and possible
solutions?
Thanks

Why have filters disappear at all? If the poster is a moron, what are
the odds he won't be a year from now?

I tend to use "remove filter after [90] days [x] of inactivity".
Some are just passing trolls, some are time-senstive by nature, e.g.
about events that come and go.

Well, okay, but I guess I left out a sentence. In this case, when
filters only last until next June 5, and the expiration problem will
continue to get worse, won't removing the expiration time get rid of
most of the problem? It sounded like things won't start to work
any better after next June 5.

Post by Marc Wilson
--
I’d recommend you add the websites of The Sun, Daily Mail, Daily Express and Daily Star

So does London have any good papers besides the Times? Does England
have any other major papers besides the Manchester Guardian, which I
don't think I've ever come across online?

Are those trashy papers you list the reason that the British for the
most part don't need guns? (My condolences on MK Jo...)

Post by Marc Wilson
to your net-nanny, if you have one, just to reduce the risk of your kids growing up to become
assholes. - "Unity - MinistryOfTruth"

[David Postill]

In article <***@4ax.com>, on Sat, 18 Jun
2016 14:47:12 -0400, Micky wrote:

| So does London have any good papers besides the Times? Does England
| have any other major papers besides the Manchester Guardian, which I
| don't think I've ever come across online?

The "Manchester Guardian" had the name until 1959...

It is now "The Guardian" and can be found online at
http://www.theguardian.com/uk.

Cheers,

[Marc Wilson]

In alt.usenet.offline-reader.forte-agent, (Micky) wrote in

Post by Micky
So does London have any good papers besides the Times? Does England
have any other major papers besides the Manchester Guardian, which I
don't think I've ever come across online?

London doesn't have any decent papers *including* the Times. The Times
is now a Murdoch title, and so cannot be trusted to report the news in
any sort of unbiased way.

And it hasn't been the "Manchester Guardian" for decades.

The Guardian is about the least bad of the highbrow papers.

Its website is www.theguardian.com

[Martin]

Post by Marc Wilson
In alt.usenet.offline-reader.forte-agent, (Micky) wrote in

Post by Micky
So does London have any good papers besides the Times? Does England
have any other major papers besides the Manchester Guardian, which I
don't think I've ever come across online?

London doesn't have any decent papers *including* the Times. The Times
is now a Murdoch title, and so cannot be trusted to report the news in
any sort of unbiased way.

+1

Post by Marc Wilson
And it hasn't been the "Manchester Guardian" for decades.
The Guardian is about the least bad of the highbrow papers.
Its website is www.theguardian.com

[Marc Wilson]

In alt.usenet.offline-reader.forte-agent, (Micky) wrote in

Post by Micky
Are those trashy papers you list the reason that the British for the
most part don't need guns? (My condolences on MK Jo...)

We don't need guns on the whole because we don't have a gun culture. We
have no large dangerous wild animals. Hunting is less popular here than
in the US, and is done with bolt-action rifles or shotguns, as
appropriate.

When the police shoot someone here, it's always given a full
investigation, and is often still news a decade later.

Even most criminals don't carry guns - because doing so will roughly
double whatever sentence you get if caught.

The gunman who shot Jo Cox built his own gun, using instructions
downloaded from the internet. Few people are sufficiently skilled and
motivated.

[Same Guy]

Sat, 18 Jun 2016 03:05:59 -0400: written by Micky

Post by Micky
Why have filters disappear at all?

Here is my specific use case:

I am using the filters in one of the anime groups where the latest
show is fan-subbed after being vidcaptured in Japan.

Shows typically run for 12 eps per season and 2 seasons is the norm
(24 eps), but some shows can run for many seasons, one never knows.

Each ep trickles in when the various fansbubbing groups have the time
to complete their work, so it can take months to complete any one
season. Then, sometime after a show has completely aired (the time
varies), the DVD/BluRays are released and posted.

365 days is a nice range for filtering any title based upon this
scenario and I really don't want filters sticking around that don't
represent what is regularly posted. For example, some series are so
popular, they will always be reposted, but most are only posted during
the airing and DVD/BR release phases so it doesn't make sense to
create a permanent filter for that scenario.
--


"The Theater of the Mind Never Closes"

[Stephen Wolstenholme]

On Sat, 18 Jun 2016 03:05:59 -0400, Micky

Post by Micky
Why have filters disappear at all? If the poster is a moron, what are
the odds he won't be a year from now?

I have most of my filters set to expire after 40 days of inactivity.
That keeps most morons out.

Steve

[Jaimie Vandenbergh]

On Tue, 21 Jun 2016 13:19:10 +0100, Stephen Wolstenholme

Post by Stephen Wolstenholme
On Sat, 18 Jun 2016 03:05:59 -0400, Micky

Post by Micky
Why have filters disappear at all? If the poster is a moron, what are
the odds he won't be a year from now?

I have most of my filters set to expire after 40 days of inactivity.
That keeps most morons out.

I did that, same 40. Then I went on Usenet hiatus for a couple of
months... Fuck me, it was awful coming back!

I set them all to 300 now.

Cheers - Jaimie