Why???

Do chavs put large aerofoils on the back of front wheel drive cars?

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Spike

2017-05-29 08:56:51 UTC

Post by FranK Turner-Smith G3VKI
Do chavs put large aerofoils on the back of front wheel drive cars?

For much the same reason that people display foreign code-less call-signs?

--
Spike

Stephen Thomas Troll

2017-05-29 10:39:43 UTC

Post by FranK Turner-Smith G3VKI
Do chavs put large aerofoils on the back of front wheel drive cars?

For much the same reason that people display foreign code-less
call-signs?

But that just increases the turbulence coming from windy old wankers like
you, Burt.

Paul Cummins

2017-05-29 09:25:00 UTC

Post by FranK Turner-Smith G3VKI
Do chavs put large aerofoils on the back of front wheel drive cars?

cos they'd look fucking silly over the bonnet...

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Custos Custodum

2017-05-29 10:24:57 UTC

On Mon, 29 May 2017 09:27:23 +0100, "FranK Turner-Smith G3VKI"

Post by FranK Turner-Smith G3VKI
Do chavs put large aerofoils on the back of front wheel drive cars?

It reduces turbulence and the resulting drag, regardless of which
wheels are driven. Every millisecond counts on your way to the next
set of lights, innit?

FranK Turner-Smith G3VKI

2017-05-29 11:55:39 UTC

Post by Custos Custodum
On Mon, 29 May 2017 09:27:23 +0100, "FranK Turner-Smith G3VKI"

Post by FranK Turner-Smith G3VKI
Do chavs put large aerofoils on the back of front wheel drive cars?

It reduces turbulence and the resulting drag, regardless of which
wheels are driven. Every millisecond counts on your way to the next
set of lights, innit?

I thought the original idea was to put more downward force onto the driving
wheels and reduce wheel spin.

--
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73 de Frank Turner-Smith G3VKI - mine's a pint.
.
http://turner-smith.uk

Bernie

2017-05-29 12:44:22 UTC

On Mon, 29 May 2017 12:55:39 +0100

Post by Custos Custodum
On Mon, 29 May 2017 09:27:23 +0100, "FranK Turner-Smith G3VKI"

Post by FranK Turner-Smith G3VKI
Do chavs put large aerofoils on the back of front wheel drive cars?

It reduces turbulence and the resulting drag, regardless of which
wheels are driven. Every millisecond counts on your way to the next
set of lights, innit?

I thought the original idea was to put more downward force onto the
driving wheels and reduce wheel spin.

Wouldn't do anything from a standing start. But Gareth in a sack in the
boot would probably work OK.

mm0fmf

2017-05-29 15:32:12 UTC

Post by Custos Custodum
On Mon, 29 May 2017 09:27:23 +0100, "FranK Turner-Smith G3VKI"

Post by FranK Turner-Smith G3VKI
Do chavs put large aerofoils on the back of front wheel drive cars?

It reduces turbulence and the resulting drag, regardless of which
wheels are driven. Every millisecond counts on your way to the next
set of lights, innit?

I thought the original idea was to put more downward force onto the
driving wheels and reduce wheel spin.

The original idea was. Downforce tends to only occur at high speeds
unless the wing is massive and then it adds much more drag at lower speeds.

Manufacturer fitted devices are more to do with producing better airflow
and reducing drag rather than pressing the back wheels down. But again
it depends on the car. Ford had a load of factory styling options
available for woefully gutless Escorts at one time including rear
spoilers and side skirts.

Brian Morrison

2017-05-30 10:43:07 UTC

On Mon, 29 May 2017 12:55:39 +0100

Post by Custos Custodum
On Mon, 29 May 2017 09:27:23 +0100, "FranK Turner-Smith G3VKI"

Post by FranK Turner-Smith G3VKI
Do chavs put large aerofoils on the back of front wheel drive cars?

It reduces turbulence and the resulting drag, regardless of which
wheels are driven. Every millisecond counts on your way to the next
set of lights, innit?

I thought the original idea was to put more downward force onto the
driving wheels and reduce wheel spin.

Leaving great stripes of rubber on the road gives greater street cred
doesn't it?

--
Brian Morrison

mm0fmf

2017-05-30 20:53:48 UTC

Post by Bernie
On Mon, 29 May 2017 12:55:39 +0100

Post by Custos Custodum
On Mon, 29 May 2017 09:27:23 +0100, "FranK Turner-Smith G3VKI"

Post by FranK Turner-Smith G3VKI
Do chavs put large aerofoils on the back of front wheel drive cars?

It reduces turbulence and the resulting drag, regardless of which
wheels are driven. Every millisecond counts on your way to the next
set of lights, innit?

I thought the original idea was to put more downward force onto the
driving wheels and reduce wheel spin.

Leaving great stripes of rubber on the road gives greater street cred
doesn't it?

I thought you needed an LSD to leave stripes?

Stephen Thomas Cole

2017-05-30 20:53:25 UTC

Post by Bernie
On Mon, 29 May 2017 12:55:39 +0100

Post by Custos Custodum
On Mon, 29 May 2017 09:27:23 +0100, "FranK Turner-Smith G3VKI"

Post by FranK Turner-Smith G3VKI
Do chavs put large aerofoils on the back of front wheel drive cars?

It reduces turbulence and the resulting drag, regardless of which
wheels are driven. Every millisecond counts on your way to the next
set of lights, innit?

I thought the original idea was to put more downward force onto the
driving wheels and reduce wheel spin.

Leaving great stripes of rubber on the road gives greater street cred
doesn't it?

I thought you needed an LSD to leave stripes?

Richard Fuller only needed his size 10 police-issue boots to leave a few
stripes on Big G's chops.

--
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http://twitter.com/ukradioamateur

J1MBO ...

2017-05-30 21:16:01 UTC

Post by Bernie
On Mon, 29 May 2017 12:55:39 +0100

Post by Custos Custodum
On Mon, 29 May 2017 09:27:23 +0100, "FranK Turner-Smith G3VKI"

Post by FranK Turner-Smith G3VKI
Do chavs put large aerofoils on the back of front wheel drive cars?

It reduces turbulence and the resulting drag, regardless of which
wheels are driven. Every millisecond counts on your way to the next
set of lights, innit?

I thought the original idea was to put more downward force onto the
driving wheels and reduce wheel spin.

Leaving great stripes of rubber on the road gives greater street cred
doesn't it?

I thought you needed an LSD to leave stripes?

Richard Fuller only needed his size 10 police-issue boots to leave a few
stripes on Big G's chops.

then he topped himself ......

FranK Turner-Smith G3VKI

2017-05-31 11:06:44 UTC

Post by Bernie
On Mon, 29 May 2017 12:55:39 +0100

Post by Custos Custodum
On Mon, 29 May 2017 09:27:23 +0100, "FranK Turner-Smith G3VKI"

Post by FranK Turner-Smith G3VKI
Do chavs put large aerofoils on the back of front wheel drive cars?

It reduces turbulence and the resulting drag, regardless of which
wheels are driven. Every millisecond counts on your way to the next
set of lights, innit?

I thought the original idea was to put more downward force onto the
driving wheels and reduce wheel spin.

Leaving great stripes of rubber on the road gives greater street cred
doesn't it?

I thought you needed an LSD to leave stripes?

Richard Fuller only needed his size 10 police-issue boots to leave a few
stripes on Big G's chops.

LOL! I still like the mental picture of Fuller tap dancing on Beanie's head.

--
;-)
.
73 de Frank Turner-Smith G3VKI - mine's a pint.
.
http://turner-smith.uk

J1MBO ...

2017-05-30 13:43:34 UTC

Post by Bernie
On Mon, 29 May 2017 12:55:39 +0100

Post by Custos Custodum
On Mon, 29 May 2017 09:27:23 +0100, "FranK Turner-Smith G3VKI"

Post by FranK Turner-Smith G3VKI
Do chavs put large aerofoils on the back of front wheel drive cars?

It reduces turbulence and the resulting drag, regardless of which
wheels are driven. Every millisecond counts on your way to the next
set of lights, innit?

I thought the original idea was to put more downward force onto the
driving wheels and reduce wheel spin.

Leaving great stripes of rubber on the road gives greater street cred
doesn't it?

I thought you needed an LSD to leave stripes?

Richard Fuller only needed his size 10 police-issue boots to leave a few
stripes on Big G's chops.

LOL! I still like the mental picture of Fuller tap dancing on Beanie's head.

I like the better one of him blowing his head off because of the things he
did .....

FranK Turner-Smith G3VKI

2017-05-31 15:15:17 UTC

Post by Bernie
On Mon, 29 May 2017 12:55:39 +0100

Post by Custos Custodum
On Mon, 29 May 2017 09:27:23 +0100, "FranK Turner-Smith G3VKI"

Post by FranK Turner-Smith G3VKI
Do chavs put large aerofoils on the back of front wheel drive cars?

It reduces turbulence and the resulting drag, regardless of which
wheels are driven. Every millisecond counts on your way to the next
set of lights, innit?

I thought the original idea was to put more downward force onto the
driving wheels and reduce wheel spin.

Leaving great stripes of rubber on the road gives greater street cred
doesn't it?

I thought you needed an LSD to leave stripes?

Richard Fuller only needed his size 10 police-issue boots to leave a few
stripes on Big G's chops.

LOL! I still like the mental picture of Fuller tap dancing on Beanie's head.

I like the better one of him blowing his head off because of the things he
did .....

ISTR Sgt. Fuller was acquitted of all charges. So why did he top himself?

--
;-)
.
73 de Frank Turner-Smith G3VKI - mine's a pint.
.
http://turner-smith.uk

Stephen Thomas Cole

2017-05-31 15:54:24 UTC

Post by Bernie
On Mon, 29 May 2017 12:55:39 +0100

Post by Custos Custodum
On Mon, 29 May 2017 09:27:23 +0100, "FranK Turner-Smith G3VKI"

Post by FranK Turner-Smith G3VKI
Do chavs put large aerofoils on the back of front wheel drive cars?

It reduces turbulence and the resulting drag, regardless of which
wheels are driven. Every millisecond counts on your way to the next
set of lights, innit?

I thought the original idea was to put more downward force onto the
driving wheels and reduce wheel spin.

Leaving great stripes of rubber on the road gives greater street cred
doesn't it?

I thought you needed an LSD to leave stripes?

Richard Fuller only needed his size 10 police-issue boots to leave a few
stripes on Big G's chops.

LOL! I still like the mental picture of Fuller tap dancing on Beanie's head.

I like the better one of him blowing his head off because of the things he
did .....

ISTR Sgt. Fuller was acquitted of all charges. So why did he top himself?

Because ukra.

--
STC / M0TEY /
http://twitter.com/ukradioamateur

J1MBO ...

2017-05-31 16:06:11 UTC

Post by Bernie
On Mon, 29 May 2017 12:55:39 +0100

Post by Custos Custodum
On Mon, 29 May 2017 09:27:23 +0100, "FranK Turner-Smith G3VKI"

Post by FranK Turner-Smith G3VKI
Do chavs put large aerofoils on the back of front wheel drive cars?

It reduces turbulence and the resulting drag, regardless of which
wheels are driven. Every millisecond counts on your way to the next
set of lights, innit?

I thought the original idea was to put more downward force onto the
driving wheels and reduce wheel spin.

Leaving great stripes of rubber on the road gives greater street cred
doesn't it?

I thought you needed an LSD to leave stripes?

Richard Fuller only needed his size 10 police-issue boots to leave a few
stripes on Big G's chops.

LOL! I still like the mental picture of Fuller tap dancing on Beanie's head.

I like the better one of him blowing his head off because of the things
he did .....

you can fool other people but not yourself ..............

FranK Turner-Smith G3VKI

2017-05-31 17:04:35 UTC

Post by Bernie
On Mon, 29 May 2017 12:55:39 +0100

Post by Custos Custodum
On Mon, 29 May 2017 09:27:23 +0100, "FranK Turner-Smith G3VKI"

Post by FranK Turner-Smith G3VKI
Do chavs put large aerofoils on the back of front wheel drive cars?

It reduces turbulence and the resulting drag, regardless of which
wheels are driven. Every millisecond counts on your way to the next
set of lights, innit?

I thought the original idea was to put more downward force onto the
driving wheels and reduce wheel spin.

Leaving great stripes of rubber on the road gives greater street cred
doesn't it?

I thought you needed an LSD to leave stripes?

Richard Fuller only needed his size 10 police-issue boots to leave a
few stripes on Big G's chops.

LOL! I still like the mental picture of Fuller tap dancing on Beanie's head.

I like the better one of him blowing his head off because of the things
he did .....

you can fool other people but not yourself ..............

Very profound, but was Beanie the cause or did he have other problems?

--
;-)
.
73 de Frank Turner-Smith G3VKI - mine's a pint.
.
http://turner-smith.uk

J1MBO ...

2017-05-31 18:31:42 UTC

Post by Bernie
On Mon, 29 May 2017 12:55:39 +0100

Post by Custos Custodum
On Mon, 29 May 2017 09:27:23 +0100, "FranK Turner-Smith G3VKI"

Post by FranK Turner-Smith G3VKI
Do chavs put large aerofoils on the back of front wheel drive cars?

It reduces turbulence and the resulting drag, regardless of which
wheels are driven. Every millisecond counts on your way to the next
set of lights, innit?

I thought the original idea was to put more downward force onto the
driving wheels and reduce wheel spin.

Leaving great stripes of rubber on the road gives greater street cred
doesn't it?

I thought you needed an LSD to leave stripes?

Richard Fuller only needed his size 10 police-issue boots to leave a
few stripes on Big G's chops.

LOL! I still like the mental picture of Fuller tap dancing on Beanie's head.

I like the better one of him blowing his head off because of the things
he did .....

you can fool other people but not yourself ..............

Very profound, but was Beanie the cause or did he have other problems?

beating people up as a result of a whisper from somebody in a big boys club
was probably something to do with it ......

Roger Hayter

2017-05-31 20:49:48 UTC

snip

Post by FranK Turner-Smith G3VKI
LOL! I still like the mental picture of Fuller tap dancing on Beanie's head.

I like the better one of him blowing his head off because of the things
he did .....

you can fool other people but not yourself ..............

Very profound, but was Beanie the cause or did he have other problems?

beating people up as a result of a whisper from somebody in a big boys club
was probably something to do with it ......

So you are suggesting that a freemason in the police force would apply
an extra-judicial punishment to someone who had humiliated a fellow
mason in another part of the country? Sounds about right to me.

--
Roger Hayter

Stephen Thomas Cole

2017-05-31 22:04:06 UTC

Post by FranK Turner-Smith G3VKI
LOL! I still like the mental picture of Fuller tap dancing on Beanie's head.

I like the better one of him blowing his head off because of the things
he did .....

you can fool other people but not yourself ..............

Very profound, but was Beanie the cause or did he have other problems?

beating people up as a result of a whisper from somebody in a big boys club
was probably something to do with it ......

Are you accusing the late Sgt Richard Fuller of doling out a punishment
beating to Gareth Alun Evans G4SDW at the behest of Brian Reay, Roger?
Because if you are, that sounds actionable, and not just by Brian but also
all of the other officers that your accusation implies colluded in this
alleged criminal endeavour.

--
STC / M0TEY /
http://twitter.com/ukradioamateur

Roger Hayter

2017-05-31 23:17:11 UTC

Post by FranK Turner-Smith G3VKI
LOL! I still like the mental picture of Fuller tap dancing on Beanie's
head.

I like the better one of him blowing his head off because of the things
he did .....

you can fool other people but not yourself ..............

Very profound, but was Beanie the cause or did he have other problems?

beating people up as a result of a whisper from somebody in a big boys club
was probably something to do with it ......

My opinion of freemasonry is nothing whatsoever to do with you or Reay.
The fact that he is said to be one is interesting, but his membership is
not one of the factors that influenced my opinion of freemasonry.
Either way.

--
Roger Hayter

Stephen Thomas Cole

2017-06-01 05:26:43 UTC

Post by FranK Turner-Smith G3VKI
LOL! I still like the mental picture of Fuller tap dancing on Beanie's
head.

I like the better one of him blowing his head off because of the things
he did .....

you can fool other people but not yourself ..............

Very profound, but was Beanie the cause or did he have other problems?

beating people up as a result of a whisper from somebody in a big boys club
was probably something to do with it ......

You dodged the question, Roger. The implication of your post, in the
context of the thread, is that the late Sgt Richard Fuller doled out a
punishment beating to Gareth Alun Evans G4SDW at Brian Reay's behest and
with the collusion of all of the other police officers present on the day.
I politely suggest that it is very much in your interest to clarify your
meaning, publicly apologise, and withdraw your theory.

--
STC / M0TEY /
http://twitter.com/ukradioamateur

Brian Reay

2017-06-01 07:06:03 UTC

Post by FranK Turner-Smith G3VKI
LOL! I still like the mental picture of Fuller tap dancing on Beanie's
head.

I like the better one of him blowing his head off because of the things
he did .....

you can fool other people but not yourself ..............

Very profound, but was Beanie the cause or did he have other problems?

beating people up as a result of a whisper from somebody in a big boys club
was probably something to do with it ......

Roger is just trying to justify his chum's disgraceful behaviour. As
we've seen before he will stoop to any level to do so. He really isn't
worth worrying about.

--
Suspect someone is claiming a benefit under false pretences? Incapacity
Benefit or Personal Independence Payment when they don't need it? They
are depriving those in real need!

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J1MBO ...

2017-05-31 07:09:48 UTC

Post by FranK Turner-Smith G3VKI
LOL! I still like the mental picture of Fuller tap dancing on Beanie's
head.

I like the better one of him blowing his head off because of the things
he did .....

you can fool other people but not yourself ..............

Very profound, but was Beanie the cause or did he have other problems?

beating people up as a result of a whisper from somebody in a big boys club
was probably something to do with it ......

Roger is just trying to justify his chum's disgraceful behaviour. As we've
seen before he will stoop to any level to do so. He really isn't worth
worrying about.

yes brian tell stephanus if people follow your guidelines on unfounded
allegations there is sod all he can do about it.......tee hee

FranK Turner-Smith G3VKI

2017-06-01 12:04:35 UTC

Post by FranK Turner-Smith G3VKI
LOL! I still like the mental picture of Fuller tap dancing on
Beanie's head.

I like the better one of him blowing his head off because of the
things he did .....

you can fool other people but not yourself ..............

Very profound, but was Beanie the cause or did he have other problems?

beating people up as a result of a whisper from somebody in a big
boys club was probably something to do with it ......

Roger is just trying to justify his chum's disgraceful behaviour. As
we've seen before he will stoop to any level to do so. He really isn't
worth worrying about.

yes brian tell stephanus if people follow your guidelines on unfounded
allegations there is sod all he can do about it.......tee hee

AIUI Beanie was convicted for sending a malicious email to Brian's employer.
Had he not done so none of the ensuing saga would have happened.

--
;-)
.
73 de Frank Turner-Smith G3VKI - mine's a pint.
.
http://turner-smith.uk

J1MBO ...

2017-06-01 14:18:39 UTC

Post by FranK Turner-Smith G3VKI
LOL! I still like the mental picture of Fuller tap dancing on
Beanie's head.

I like the better one of him blowing his head off because of
the things he did .....

you can fool other people but not yourself ..............

Very profound, but was Beanie the cause or did he have other problems?

beating people up as a result of a whisper from somebody in a big
boys club was probably something to do with it ......

Roger is just trying to justify his chum's disgraceful behaviour. As
we've seen before he will stoop to any level to do so. He really isn't
worth worrying about.

yes brian tell stephanus if people follow your guidelines on unfounded
allegations there is sod all he can do about it.......tee hee

AIUI Beanie was convicted for sending a malicious email to Brian's
employer. Had he not done so none of the ensuing saga would have happened.

naw..brian would go after anybody ....

Rambo

2017-06-01 15:45:46 UTC

On Thu, 1 Jun 2017 15:18:39 +0100, "J1MBO ..."

Post by FranK Turner-Smith G3VKI
LOL! I still like the mental picture of Fuller tap dancing on
Beanie's head.

I like the better one of him blowing his head off because of
the things he did .....

you can fool other people but not yourself ..............

Very profound, but was Beanie the cause or did he have other problems?

beating people up as a result of a whisper from somebody in a big
boys club was probably something to do with it ......

Roger is just trying to justify his chum's disgraceful behaviour. As
we've seen before he will stoop to any level to do so. He really isn't
worth worrying about.

yes brian tell stephanus if people follow your guidelines on unfounded
allegations there is sod all he can do about it.......tee hee

AIUI Beanie was convicted for sending a malicious email to Brian's
employer. Had he not done so none of the ensuing saga would have happened.

naw..brian would go after anybody ....

The incident with Sgnt Fuller arose from an earlier matter regarding a
complaint made by Mr Reay, nothing to do with emails to employers.
It's also to be noted that in the reports its stated that Sgnt Fuller
had problems controlling his temper.......

FranK Turner-Smith G3VKI

2017-06-01 16:05:35 UTC

Post by Rambo
On Thu, 1 Jun 2017 15:18:39 +0100, "J1MBO ..."

Post by FranK Turner-Smith G3VKI
LOL! I still like the mental picture of Fuller tap dancing on
Beanie's head.

I like the better one of him blowing his head off because of
the things he did .....

you can fool other people but not yourself ..............

Very profound, but was Beanie the cause or did he have other problems?

beating people up as a result of a whisper from somebody in a big
boys club was probably something to do with it ......

Are you accusing the late Sgt Richard Fuller of doling out a punishment
beating to Gareth Alun Evans G4SDW at the behest of Brian Reay, Roger?
Because if you are, that sounds actionable, and not just by Brian
but
also
all of the other officers that your accusation implies colluded in
this alleged criminal endeavour.

My opinion of freemasonry is nothing whatsoever to do with you or Reay.
The fact that he is said to be one is interesting, but his
membership
is
not one of the factors that influenced my opinion of freemasonry.
Either way.

You dodged the question, Roger. The implication of your post, in the
context of the thread, is that the late Sgt Richard Fuller doled out a
punishment beating to Gareth Alun Evans G4SDW at Brian Reay's behest and
with the collusion of all of the other police officers present on the day.
I politely suggest that it is very much in your interest to clarify
your meaning, publicly apologise, and withdraw your theory.

Roger is just trying to justify his chum's disgraceful behaviour. As
we've seen before he will stoop to any level to do so. He really isn't
worth worrying about.

yes brian tell stephanus if people follow your guidelines on unfounded
allegations there is sod all he can do about it.......tee hee

AIUI Beanie was convicted for sending a malicious email to Brian's
employer. Had he not done so none of the ensuing saga would have happened.

naw..brian would go after anybody ....

Sorry, my mistake, but I still can't see how anybody other than, possibly,
Beanie was contributory to Sgt. Fuller's suicide.

--
;-)
.
73 de Frank Turner-Smith G3VKI - mine's a pint.
.
http://turner-smith.uk

Jeff

2017-06-01 16:23:44 UTC

Post by FranK Turner-Smith G3VKI
Sorry, my mistake, but I still can't see how anybody other than,
possibly, Beanie was contributory to Sgt. Fuller's suicide.

Indeed, had he 'gone quietly' there would have been no boot, and no
complaint. 100% Beanie's fault.

Jeff

J1MBO ...

2017-05-31 17:22:59 UTC

Post by FranK Turner-Smith G3VKI
Sorry, my mistake, but I still can't see how anybody other than,
possibly, Beanie was contributory to Sgt. Fuller's suicide.

Indeed, had he 'gone quietly' there would have been no boot, and no
complaint. 100% Beanie's fault.
Jeff

but he opened his eyes WIDE ............shocking

J1MBO ...

2017-05-31 17:22:22 UTC

Post by Rambo
On Thu, 1 Jun 2017 15:18:39 +0100, "J1MBO ..."

Post by FranK Turner-Smith G3VKI
LOL! I still like the mental picture of Fuller tap dancing on
Beanie's head.

I like the better one of him blowing his head off because of
the things he did .....

you can fool other people but not yourself ..............

Very profound, but was Beanie the cause or did he have other
problems?

beating people up as a result of a whisper from somebody in a big
boys club was probably something to do with it ......

Are you accusing the late Sgt Richard Fuller of doling out a punishment
beating to Gareth Alun Evans G4SDW at the behest of Brian Reay, Roger?
Because if you are, that sounds actionable, and not just by Brian
but
also
all of the other officers that your accusation implies colluded in
this alleged criminal endeavour.

My opinion of freemasonry is nothing whatsoever to do with you or Reay.
The fact that he is said to be one is interesting, but his
membership
is
not one of the factors that influenced my opinion of freemasonry.
Either way.

You dodged the question, Roger. The implication of your post, in the
context of the thread, is that the late Sgt Richard Fuller doled out a
punishment beating to Gareth Alun Evans G4SDW at Brian Reay's behest and
with the collusion of all of the other police officers present on
the
day.
I politely suggest that it is very much in your interest to clarify
your meaning, publicly apologise, and withdraw your theory.

Roger is just trying to justify his chum's disgraceful behaviour. As
we've seen before he will stoop to any level to do so. He really isn't
worth worrying about.

yes brian tell stephanus if people follow your guidelines on unfounded
allegations there is sod all he can do about it.......tee hee

AIUI Beanie was convicted for sending a malicious email to Brian's
employer. Had he not done so none of the ensuing saga would have happened.

naw..brian would go after anybody ....

Sorry, my mistake, but I still can't see how anybody other than, possibly,
Beanie was contributory to Sgt. Fuller's suicide.

The responsibility for his own actions is fully with Fuller .... and whoever
put him up to it ...

Bernie

2017-06-01 18:17:03 UTC

On Wed, 31 May 2017 18:22:22 +0100

Post by Rambo
On Thu, 1 Jun 2017 15:18:39 +0100, "J1MBO ..."

Post by FranK Turner-Smith G3VKI
LOL! I still like the mental picture of Fuller tap
dancing on
Beanie's head.

I like the better one of him blowing his head off
because of the things he did .....

you can fool other people but not
yourself ..............

Very profound, but was Beanie the cause or did he have
other problems?

beating people up as a result of a whisper from somebody in a big
boys club was probably something to do with it ......

So you are suggesting that a freemason in the police force
would apply
an extra-judicial punishment to someone who had humiliated a fellow
mason in another part of the country? Sounds about right to me.

Are you accusing the late Sgt Richard Fuller of doling out a punishment
beating to Gareth Alun Evans G4SDW at the behest of Brian Reay, Roger?
Because if you are, that sounds actionable, and not just by
Brian but
also
all of the other officers that your accusation implies
colluded in this alleged criminal endeavour.

My opinion of freemasonry is nothing whatsoever to do with you or Reay.
The fact that he is said to be one is interesting, but his
membership
is
not one of the factors that influenced my opinion of
freemasonry. Either way.

You dodged the question, Roger. The implication of your post,
in the context of the thread, is that the late Sgt Richard
Fuller doled out a
punishment beating to Gareth Alun Evans G4SDW at Brian Reay's behest and
with the collusion of all of the other police officers
present on the
day.
I politely suggest that it is very much in your interest to
clarify your meaning, publicly apologise, and withdraw your
theory.

Roger is just trying to justify his chum's disgraceful
behaviour. As we've seen before he will stoop to any level to
do so. He really isn't
worth worrying about.

yes brian tell stephanus if people follow your guidelines on
unfounded allegations there is sod all he can do about
it.......tee hee

AIUI Beanie was convicted for sending a malicious email to
Brian's employer. Had he not done so none of the ensuing saga
would have happened.

naw..brian would go after anybody ....

The incident with Sgnt Fuller arose from an earlier matter
regarding a complaint made by Mr Reay, nothing to do with emails
to employers. It's also to be noted that in the reports its stated
that Sgnt Fuller had problems controlling his temper.......

Sorry, my mistake, but I still can't see how anybody other than,
possibly, Beanie was contributory to Sgt. Fuller's suicide.

The responsibility for his own actions is fully with Fuller .... and
whoever put him up to it ...

But that has to apply to everyone involved in the episode, and Gareth
was undoubtedly a prime actor.

J1MBO ...

2017-05-31 19:13:43 UTC

Post by Bernie
On Wed, 31 May 2017 18:22:22 +0100

Post by Rambo
On Thu, 1 Jun 2017 15:18:39 +0100, "J1MBO ..."

Post by FranK Turner-Smith G3VKI
LOL! I still like the mental picture of Fuller tap
dancing on
Beanie's head.

I like the better one of him blowing his head off
because of the things he did .....

you can fool other people but not
yourself ..............

Very profound, but was Beanie the cause or did he have
other problems?

beating people up as a result of a whisper from somebody in a big
boys club was probably something to do with it ......

So you are suggesting that a freemason in the police force
would apply
an extra-judicial punishment to someone who had humiliated a fellow
mason in another part of the country? Sounds about right to me.

Are you accusing the late Sgt Richard Fuller of doling out a
punishment
beating to Gareth Alun Evans G4SDW at the behest of Brian
Reay, Roger?
Because if you are, that sounds actionable, and not just by
Brian but
also
all of the other officers that your accusation implies
colluded in this alleged criminal endeavour.

My opinion of freemasonry is nothing whatsoever to do with you or Reay.
The fact that he is said to be one is interesting, but his
membership
is
not one of the factors that influenced my opinion of
freemasonry. Either way.

You dodged the question, Roger. The implication of your post,
in the context of the thread, is that the late Sgt Richard
Fuller doled out a
punishment beating to Gareth Alun Evans G4SDW at Brian Reay's behest and
with the collusion of all of the other police officers
present on the
day.
I politely suggest that it is very much in your interest to
clarify your meaning, publicly apologise, and withdraw your
theory.

Roger is just trying to justify his chum's disgraceful
behaviour. As we've seen before he will stoop to any level to
do so. He really isn't
worth worrying about.

yes brian tell stephanus if people follow your guidelines on
unfounded allegations there is sod all he can do about
it.......tee hee

AIUI Beanie was convicted for sending a malicious email to
Brian's employer. Had he not done so none of the ensuing saga
would have happened.

naw..brian would go after anybody ....

The incident with Sgnt Fuller arose from an earlier matter
regarding a complaint made by Mr Reay, nothing to do with emails
to employers. It's also to be noted that in the reports its stated
that Sgnt Fuller had problems controlling his temper.......

Sorry, my mistake, but I still can't see how anybody other than,
possibly, Beanie was contributory to Sgt. Fuller's suicide.

The responsibility for his own actions is fully with Fuller .... and
whoever put him up to it ...

But that has to apply to everyone involved in the episode, and Gareth
was undoubtedly a prime actor.

I doubt gareth wanted a gentle boot in the face just for being wide eyed
.....

Bernie

2017-06-01 19:44:38 UTC

On Wed, 31 May 2017 20:13:43 +0100

Post by Bernie
On Wed, 31 May 2017 18:22:22 +0100

Post by Rambo
On Thu, 1 Jun 2017 15:18:39 +0100, "J1MBO ..."

Post by FranK Turner-Smith G3VKI
LOL! I still like the mental picture of Fuller tap
dancing on
Beanie's head.

I like the better one of him blowing his head off
because of the things he did .....

you can fool other people but not
yourself ..............

Very profound, but was Beanie the cause or did he have
other problems?

beating people up as a result of a whisper from
somebody in a big
boys club was probably something to do with it ......

So you are suggesting that a freemason in the police
force would apply
an extra-judicial punishment to someone who had
humiliated a fellow
mason in another part of the country? Sounds about
right to me.

Are you accusing the late Sgt Richard Fuller of doling
out a punishment
beating to Gareth Alun Evans G4SDW at the behest of Brian
Reay, Roger?
Because if you are, that sounds actionable, and not just
by Brian but
also
all of the other officers that your accusation implies
colluded in this alleged criminal endeavour.

My opinion of freemasonry is nothing whatsoever to do with
you or Reay.
The fact that he is said to be one is interesting, but his
membership
is
not one of the factors that influenced my opinion of
freemasonry. Either way.

You dodged the question, Roger. The implication of your
post, in the context of the thread, is that the late Sgt
Richard Fuller doled out a
punishment beating to Gareth Alun Evans G4SDW at Brian
Reay's behest and
with the collusion of all of the other police officers
present on the
day.
I politely suggest that it is very much in your interest to
clarify your meaning, publicly apologise, and withdraw your
theory.

Roger is just trying to justify his chum's disgraceful
behaviour. As we've seen before he will stoop to any level
to do so. He really isn't
worth worrying about.

yes brian tell stephanus if people follow your guidelines on
unfounded allegations there is sod all he can do about
it.......tee hee

AIUI Beanie was convicted for sending a malicious email to
Brian's employer. Had he not done so none of the ensuing saga
would have happened.

naw..brian would go after anybody ....

The incident with Sgnt Fuller arose from an earlier matter
regarding a complaint made by Mr Reay, nothing to do with emails
to employers. It's also to be noted that in the reports its
stated that Sgnt Fuller had problems controlling his
temper.......

Sorry, my mistake, but I still can't see how anybody other than,
possibly, Beanie was contributory to Sgt. Fuller's suicide.

The responsibility for his own actions is fully with Fuller ....
and whoever put him up to it ...

But that has to apply to everyone involved in the episode, and
Gareth was undoubtedly a prime actor.

I doubt gareth wanted a gentle boot in the face just for being wide
eyed .....

He was an actor, and his behaviour contributed to the situation.

Stephen Thomas Cole

2017-06-02 05:33:24 UTC

Post by FranK Turner-Smith G3VKI
LOL! I still like the mental picture of Fuller tap dancing on Beanie's
head.

I like the better one of him blowing his head off because of the things
he did .....

you can fool other people but not yourself ..............

Very profound, but was Beanie the cause or did he have other problems?

beating people up as a result of a whisper from somebody in a big boys club
was probably something to do with it ......

Roger is just trying to justify his chum's disgraceful behaviour. As
we've seen before he will stoop to any level to do so. He really isn't
worth worrying about.

No, I know, Roger's bizarre games are beneath me, but I do sometimes have
to call him out when he really goes off the reservation.

--
STC / M0TEY /
http://twitter.com/ukradioamateur

J1MBO ...

2017-06-01 07:13:16 UTC

Post by FranK Turner-Smith G3VKI
LOL! I still like the mental picture of Fuller tap dancing on
Beanie's
head.

I like the better one of him blowing his head off because of the things
he did .....

you can fool other people but not yourself ..............

Very profound, but was Beanie the cause or did he have other problems?

beating people up as a result of a whisper from somebody in a big boys club
was probably something to do with it ......

Roger is just trying to justify his chum's disgraceful behaviour. As
we've seen before he will stoop to any level to do so. He really isn't
worth worrying about.

No, I know, Roger's bizarre games are beneath me, but I do sometimes have
to call him out when he really goes off the reservation.

nothing wrong with Roger it is you two that play the mind games ......

Brian Reay

2017-06-02 10:58:12 UTC

Post by FranK Turner-Smith G3VKI
LOL! I still like the mental picture of Fuller tap dancing on Beanie's
head.

I like the better one of him blowing his head off because of the things
he did .....

you can fool other people but not yourself ..............

Very profound, but was Beanie the cause or did he have other problems?

beating people up as a result of a whisper from somebody in a big boys club
was probably something to do with it ......

Roger is just trying to justify his chum's disgraceful behaviour. As
we've seen before he will stoop to any level to do so. He really isn't
worth worrying about.

No, I know, Roger's bizarre games are beneath me, but I do sometimes have
to call him out when he really goes off the reservation.

Like Spike & Co, Roger is driven by some strange conviction that the
world is against him. It is common in people who can't accept that they
are responsible for their own actions, failures, and successes.

FranK Turner-Smith G3VKI

2017-06-02 11:02:08 UTC

Post by FranK Turner-Smith G3VKI
LOL! I still like the mental picture of Fuller tap dancing on
Beanie's
head.

I like the better one of him blowing his head off because of
the things
he did .....

you can fool other people but not yourself ..............

Very profound, but was Beanie the cause or did he have other problems?

beating people up as a result of a whisper from somebody in a big boys club
was probably something to do with it ......

Roger is just trying to justify his chum's disgraceful behaviour. As
we've seen before he will stoop to any level to do so. He really isn't
worth worrying about.

No, I know, Roger's bizarre games are beneath me, but I do sometimes have
to call him out when he really goes off the reservation.

Like Spike & Co, Roger is driven by some strange conviction that the world
is against him. It is common in people who can't accept that they are
responsible for their own actions, failures, and successes.

Nah, with his surname he has to Hayte(r) everybody.

--
;-)
.
73 de Frank Turner-Smith G3VKI - mine's a pint.
.
http://turner-smith.uk

J1MBO ...

2017-06-01 11:54:11 UTC

Post by FranK Turner-Smith G3VKI
LOL! I still like the mental picture of Fuller tap dancing on
Beanie's
head.

I like the better one of him blowing his head off because of
the things
he did .....

you can fool other people but not yourself ..............

Very profound, but was Beanie the cause or did he have other problems?

beating people up as a result of a whisper from somebody in a big boys club
was probably something to do with it ......

Roger is just trying to justify his chum's disgraceful behaviour. As
we've seen before he will stoop to any level to do so. He really isn't
worth worrying about.

No, I know, Roger's bizarre games are beneath me, but I do sometimes have
to call him out when he really goes off the reservation.

Like Spike & Co, Roger is driven by some strange conviction that the world
is against him. It is common in people who can't accept that they are
responsible for their own actions, failures, and successes.

The world is against us but at least we don't fiddle our way through with a
funny handshake or wait decades for access to HF because the regulations
were against you .....tee hee

Roger Hayter

2017-06-02 12:30:31 UTC

Brian Reay <***@m.com> wrote:

snip

Post by Brian Reay
Like Spike & Co, Roger is driven by some strange conviction that the
world is against him. It is common in people who can't accept that they
are responsible for their own actions, failures, and successes.

I am however fully able to distinguish between those situations where
the world is against me and those where it is merely some self-important
twat on the Internet who is against me.

--
Roger Hayter

J1MBO ...

2017-06-01 12:44:33 UTC

I am however fully able to distinguish between those situations where
the world is against me and those where it is merely some self-important
twat on the Internet who is against me.
Roger Hayter

...and who likes you...like me...tee hee

Spike

2017-06-02 14:25:28 UTC

I am however fully able to distinguish between those situations where
the world is against me and those where it is merely some self-important
twat on the Internet who is against me.

Are you sure that the PP's last sentence wasn't unconsciously about
himself? He's previously mentioned insights into FBI profiling, it might
be related to something like that.
Or he might just be a twat on the Internet. Who knows? Who cares?

--
Spike

Brian Reay

2017-06-02 14:46:04 UTC

I am however fully able to distinguish between those situations where
the world is against me and those where it is merely some self-important
twat on the Internet who is against me.

Oh dear, language please. I clearly hit a raw nerve.

Roger Hayter

2017-06-02 15:00:24 UTC

I am however fully able to distinguish between those situations where
the world is against me and those where it is merely some self-important
twat on the Internet who is against me.

Oh dear, language please.

English.

Post by Brian Reay
I clearly hit a raw nerve.

--
Roger Hayter

Spike

2017-06-02 16:35:11 UTC

I am however fully able to distinguish between those situations where
the world is against me and those where it is merely some self-important
twat on the Internet who is against me.

Oh dear, language please.

Would Reay have preferred the 'YTC' or 'YFI' of his slum friend?

Post by Roger Hayter
English.

Quite.

Post by Brian Reay
I clearly hit a raw nerve.

He seems to do this often. Perhaps when using blunt tools in careless
fashion he should get better spectacles and save himself from damaging
himself quite so much.

--
Spike

Stephen Thomas Cole

2017-06-03 12:27:59 UTC

Post by FranK Turner-Smith G3VKI
LOL! I still like the mental picture of Fuller tap dancing on Beanie's
head.

I like the better one of him blowing his head off because of the things
he did .....

you can fool other people but not yourself ..............

Very profound, but was Beanie the cause or did he have other problems?

beating people up as a result of a whisper from somebody in a big boys club
was probably something to do with it ......

Roger is just trying to justify his chum's disgraceful behaviour. As
we've seen before he will stoop to any level to do so. He really isn't
worth worrying about.

No, I know, Roger's bizarre games are beneath me, but I do sometimes have
to call him out when he really goes off the reservation.

The result of a lifetime of not trying to achieve anything.

--
STC / M0TEY /
http://twitter.com/ukradioamateur

J1MBO ...

2017-05-31 06:40:33 UTC

Post by FranK Turner-Smith G3VKI
LOL! I still like the mental picture of Fuller tap dancing on
Beanie's
head.

I like the better one of him blowing his head off because of the things
he did .....

you can fool other people but not yourself ..............

Very profound, but was Beanie the cause or did he have other problems?

beating people up as a result of a whisper from somebody in a big boys club
was probably something to do with it ......

stepanus.....what part of "somebody" in my post did you not understand
?....and why are you mentioning this "Brian Reay" person? ...(just following
brian's guidelines on posting unfounded allegations and lies buy not
actually mentioning who I am referring to) ....

J1MBO ...

2017-05-31 06:40:40 UTC

Post by FranK Turner-Smith G3VKI
LOL! I still like the mental picture of Fuller tap dancing on
Beanie's
head.

I like the better one of him blowing his head off because of the things
he did .....

you can fool other people but not yourself ..............

Very profound, but was Beanie the cause or did he have other problems?

beating people up as a result of a whisper from somebody in a big boys club
was probably something to do with it ......

calm down roger...I never mentioned the freemasons........but having seen
the handshake at an interview I would not be surprised about what you say
.........................(I'm just following brian's guidelines on posting
unfounded allegations and lies buy not actually mentioning who or what
organisation I am referring to)

Bernie

2017-05-31 18:34:40 UTC

On Wed, 31 May 2017 17:06:11 +0100

Post by J1MBO ...
you can fool other people but not yourself ..............

Do you not read Gareth's posts?

J1MBO ...

2017-05-31 18:34:52 UTC

Post by Bernie
On Wed, 31 May 2017 17:06:11 +0100

Post by J1MBO ...
you can fool other people but not yourself ..............

Do you not read Gareth's posts?

applies to most people here .....

Bernie

2017-05-31 18:43:51 UTC

On Wed, 31 May 2017 19:34:52 +0100

Post by Bernie
On Wed, 31 May 2017 17:06:11 +0100

Post by J1MBO ...
you can fool other people but not yourself ..............

Do you not read Gareth's posts?

applies to most people here .....

Can't disagree with that.

Well done!

J1MBO ...

2017-05-30 19:07:09 UTC

Post by Bernie
On Wed, 31 May 2017 19:34:52 +0100

Post by Bernie
On Wed, 31 May 2017 17:06:11 +0100

Post by J1MBO ...
you can fool other people but not yourself ..............

Do you not read Gareth's posts?

applies to most people here .....

Can't disagree with that.
Well done!

take brian's wig for instance ....

J1MBO ...

2017-05-31 08:58:46 UTC

Post by Bernie
On Mon, 29 May 2017 12:55:39 +0100

Post by Custos Custodum
On Mon, 29 May 2017 09:27:23 +0100, "FranK Turner-Smith G3VKI"

Post by FranK Turner-Smith G3VKI
Do chavs put large aerofoils on the back of front wheel drive cars?

It reduces turbulence and the resulting drag, regardless of which
wheels are driven. Every millisecond counts on your way to the next
set of lights, innit?

I thought the original idea was to put more downward force onto the
driving wheels and reduce wheel spin.

Leaving great stripes of rubber on the road gives greater street cred
doesn't it?

I thought you needed an LSD to leave stripes?

Richard Fuller only needed his size 10 police-issue boots to leave a few
stripes on Big G's chops.

LOL! I still like the mental picture of Fuller tap dancing on Beanie's head.

I like the better one of him blowing his head off because of the things
he did .....

you can fool other people but not yourself ..............

"But it preyed on his mind"...says it all really ....

Brian Howie

2017-06-01 10:35:31 UTC

On Wed, 31 May 2017 16:15:17 +0100, "FranK Turner-Smith G3VKI"

Post by FranK Turner-Smith G3VKI
LOL! I still like the mental picture of Fuller tap dancing on Beanie's head.

I like the better one of him blowing his head off because of the things he
did .....

ISTR Sgt. Fuller was acquitted of all charges. So why did he top himself?

The inquest suggested a causal relationship between the complaint
about him and his suicide.

"http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1030579/Camillas-bodyguard-shot-wife-left-inquest-hears.html"

That and the report of his trial all makes it a sorry saga.

http://www.gazetteandherald.co.uk/news/690844.Court_clears_policeman_of_/

I can't even remember why Gareth was arrested on that occasion;
probably a mnor disagreement on here that escalated. ICBA looking back
to find out.

Brian

Stephen Thomas Cole

2017-06-01 11:39:10 UTC

Post by Brian Howie
On Wed, 31 May 2017 16:15:17 +0100, "FranK Turner-Smith G3VKI"

Post by FranK Turner-Smith G3VKI
LOL! I still like the mental picture of Fuller tap dancing on Beanie's head.

I like the better one of him blowing his head off because of the things he
did .....

ISTR Sgt. Fuller was acquitted of all charges. So why did he top himself?

The inquest suggested a causal relationship between the complaint
about him and his suicide.
"http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1030579/Camillas-bodyguard-shot-wife-left-inquest-hears.html"
That and the report of his trial all makes it a sorry saga.
http://www.gazetteandherald.co.uk/news/690844.Court_clears_policeman_of_/
I can't even remember why Gareth was arrested on that occasion;
probably a mnor disagreement on here that escalated. ICBA looking back
to find out.

"It was clear he suffered stress in his activities at work, not in relation
to the job he had to do but in relation to a complaint made against him,
for which he was acquitted.
'But it preyed on his mind and this aggravated his domestic relationships.
'He separated from his wife, this time a final separation and this was a
situation he could not get his head around."

This is damning. Gareth Alun Evans G4SDW has blood on his hands.

--
STC / M0TEY /
http://twitter.com/ukradioamateur

Jeff

2017-06-01 11:48:46 UTC

Post by Brian Howie
The inquest suggested a causal relationship between the complaint
about him and his suicide.
"http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1030579/Camillas-bodyguard-shot-wife-left-inquest-hears.html"
That and the report of his trial all makes it a sorry saga.
http://www.gazetteandherald.co.uk/news/690844.Court_clears_policeman_of_/
I can't even remember why Gareth was arrested on that occasion;
probably a mnor disagreement on here that escalated. ICBA looking back
to find out.
Brian

The quote from the coroner is very telling:

"It was clear he suffered stress in his activities at work, not in
relation to the job he had to do but in relation to a complaint made
against him, for which he was acquitted.

But it preyed on his mind and this aggravated his domestic relationships."

Jeff

Spike

2017-06-01 12:59:40 UTC

"It was clear he suffered stress in his activities at work, not in
relation to the job he had to do but in relation to a complaint made
against him, for which he was acquitted.
But it preyed on his mind and this aggravated his domestic relationships."

Complaints against individual officers are treated by them as a routine
part of the job.

If this officer was so moved by this complaint to take the action he
did, it suggests some other factor underlay his actions.

--
Spike

Jeff

2017-06-01 16:20:59 UTC

Post by Spike
Complaints against individual officers are treated by them as a routine
part of the job.
If this officer was so moved by this complaint to take the action he
did, it suggests some other factor underlay his actions.

It was the fact that this complaint actually got to court, even though
he was innocent.

Jeff

Spike

2017-06-01 17:03:59 UTC

It was the fact that this complaint actually got to court, even though
he was innocent.

That happens all the time, and Fuller will have seen it recur repeatedly
throughout his 29 year career, to colleagues and to civilians. If he was
upset because it had happened to him for once then that hints at some
mal-aligned form of personal paradigm.

--
Spike

Roger Hayter

2017-06-01 23:57:55 UTC

It was the fact that this complaint actually got to court, even though
he was innocent.

Such complaints do not usually get to court. Someone in the CPS must
have felt there was a fair chance of conviction, and thus that the
police officer's actions were not obviously justified. Even though the
jury, possibly rightly, gave him the benefit of the doubt.

--
Roger Hayter

Spike

2017-06-02 07:33:39 UTC

It was the fact that this complaint actually got to court, even though
he was innocent.

Such complaints do not usually get to court.
Someone in the CPS must
have felt there was a fair chance of conviction, and thus that the
police officer's actions were not obviously justified.

Quite.

Post by Roger Hayter
Even though the jury, possibly rightly, gave him the benefit of the doubt.

Either someone thought there was a realistic prospect of conviction, or
was sending Fuller or his line management a fairly strong message.

--
Spike

Gareth's Downstairs Computer

2017-06-02 09:24:03 UTC

Such complaints do not usually get to court. Someone in the CPS must
have felt there was a fair chance of conviction, and thus that the
police officer's actions were not obviously justified.

Quite.

The plods were deliberately delaying dealing with my arrest so that my
complaint against fuller would fall outside the 6-month limitation
for cases of assault in the magistrates court, so I laid an
information before the courts, had to appear before the district
judge at the time who listened to what I said, remarked that there
had been no cause for the plods to arrive mob handed (8 of them
to arrest a non-violent pacifist ?????) and it was the judge himself
who initated the prosecution. As soon as that was underway,
the plods dropped the matter against me as there was then no
point in them delaying it further.

Remember, this was the year, 2005, when reay felt so self-important
that he was having a number of people arrested merely for standing
up against his ridiculous abuse in this NG.

Even though the jury, possibly rightly, gave him the benefit of the doubt.

Either someone thought there was a realistic prospect of conviction, or
was sending Fuller or his line management a fairly strong message.

There wsa no jury, but the video shows me being pinned down by three
of them and my face is clean. Fuller steps over me with his back to the
camera, and when he stands back, there is the bruise. They went through
the video frame by frame and because no frame actually showed his boot
on my face, he was acquitted.

Wankers all - wiltshire plods and beaks.

Anyway, this was all 12 years ago. Is this NG so bereft of relevant
material that someone unknown felt the need to rake over these coals?
Was it to discredit reay whose emotional sensitivity to justified
public criticism set the whole thing inmotion?

Perhaps it is a sign that both this NG and also UKRAM are well past
their sell-by dates?

Jeff

2017-06-02 09:49:27 UTC

Post by Gareth's Downstairs Computer
had been no cause for the plods to arrive mob handed (8 of them
to arrest a non-violent pacifist ?????)

a non-violent pacifist who restated arrest and had to be restrained, so
perhaps they were correct after all.

Post by Gareth's Downstairs Computer
Fuller steps over me with his back to the
camera, and when he stands back, there is the bruise.

The fastest appearing bruise in the history of medical science.

Jeff

Spike

2017-06-02 14:24:08 UTC

Post by Gareth's Downstairs Computer
had been no cause for the plods to arrive mob handed (8 of them
to arrest a non-violent pacifist ?????)

a non-violent pacifist who restated arrest and had to be restrained, so
perhaps they were correct after all.

Post by Gareth's Downstairs Computer
Fuller steps over me with his back to the
camera, and when he stands back, there is the bruise.

The fastest appearing bruise in the history of medical science.
Jeff

And captured on an official police video.

--
Spike

Brian Reay

2017-06-02 14:46:04 UTC

Post by Gareth's Downstairs Computer
had been no cause for the plods to arrive mob handed (8 of them
to arrest a non-violent pacifist ?????)

a non-violent pacifist who restated arrest and had to be restrained, so
perhaps they were correct after all.

Post by Gareth's Downstairs Computer
Fuller steps over me with his back to the
camera, and when he stands back, there is the bruise.

The fastest appearing bruise in the history of medical science.
Jeff

And captured on an official police video.

How do you know that?

Jeff

2017-06-02 16:53:30 UTC

Post by Gareth's Downstairs Computer
had been no cause for the plods to arrive mob handed (8 of them
to arrest a non-violent pacifist ?????)

a non-violent pacifist who restated arrest and had to be restrained,
so perhaps they were correct after all.

Post by Gareth's Downstairs Computer
Fuller steps over me with his back to the
camera, and when he stands back, there is the bruise.

The fastest appearing bruise in the history of medical science.
Jeff

And captured on an official police video.

and that proves it was a bruise, rather than something else, such as a
dirty mark acquired in the struggle, how??

Bruises do not appear that quickly.

Jeff

Spike

2017-06-02 17:27:51 UTC

Post by Gareth's Downstairs Computer
had been no cause for the plods to arrive mob handed (8 of them
to arrest a non-violent pacifist ?????)

a non-violent pacifist who restated arrest and had to be restrained,
so perhaps they were correct after all.

Post by Gareth's Downstairs Computer
Fuller steps over me with his back to the
camera, and when he stands back, there is the bruise.

The fastest appearing bruise in the history of medical science.

And captured on an official police video.

and that proves it was a bruise, rather than something else, such as a
dirty mark acquired in the struggle, how??
Bruises do not appear that quickly.

From HowStuffWorks. Feel free to offer alternative explanations or
explain why this particular bruise didn't follow the well-known pathology.

=====

Why Bruises Form and How They Heal

Like we mentioned before, bruising appears when tiny blood vessel, or
capillaries, break due to a blow to the skin. The appearance of a bruise
changes over time, and you can tell how old a bruise is and where it is
in the process of healing by observing its color. Generally, your skin
should look normal again in about two to three weeks after an injury.

When a bruise is brand new, it will appear reddish due to the color
of the blood that leaked from the capillaries under the skin.
At one to two days old, a bruise will take on a bluish or purple
color. The swelling at the site of the bruise will cause oxygen to be
cut off, and hemoglobin, the substance that carries iron in your blood,
will turn blue.
At six days old, a bruise will turn a greenish color as the
hemoglobin breaks down and the area begins to heal itself.
At eight to nine days old, a bruise will then turn yellow or brown.
This is the final stage in the body's re-absorption of the blood.

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Roger Hayter

2017-06-02 18:53:53 UTC

Post by Gareth's Downstairs Computer
had been no cause for the plods to arrive mob handed (8 of them
to arrest a non-violent pacifist ?????)

a non-violent pacifist who restated arrest and had to be restrained,
so perhaps they were correct after all.

Post by Gareth's Downstairs Computer
Fuller steps over me with his back to the
camera, and when he stands back, there is the bruise.

The fastest appearing bruise in the history of medical science.
Jeff

And captured on an official police video.

and that proves it was a bruise, rather than something else, such as a
dirty mark acquired in the struggle, how??
Bruises do not appear that quickly.
Jeff

Without taking sides regarding the video I haven't seen either, there
are two types of skin reaction which show an immediate reaction. One is
the reddening as a neurological reflection reaction to a slap, which can
occur in seconds. The other is the damage to tissues and blood vessels
which shows a red mark folllowing a heavy blow with a blunt instrument.
This can also show a red mark in seconds, due to bleeding into a
crushing injury. As you imply, a more minor blow causes only gradual
bleeding into the tissues and takes hours to show.

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Stephen Thomas Cole

2017-06-02 18:29:41 UTC

Post by Gareth's Downstairs Computer
had been no cause for the plods to arrive mob handed (8 of them
to arrest a non-violent pacifist ?????)

a non-violent pacifist who restated arrest and had to be restrained, so
perhaps they were correct after all.

Post by Gareth's Downstairs Computer
Fuller steps over me with his back to the
camera, and when he stands back, there is the bruise.

The fastest appearing bruise in the history of medical science.
Jeff

And captured on an official police video.

According to Big G.

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Brian Reay

2017-06-02 10:48:41 UTC

Post by Gareth's Downstairs Computer
Anyway, this was all 12 years ago. Is this NG so bereft of relevant
material that someone unknown felt the need to rake over these coals?

You frequently raise it, or at least your distorted view of it.

At least you've admitted the matter you were arrested over was dropped
due to your bogus and malicious case against an innocent officer.

Clearly the version you gave didn't convince the court in the face of
more creditable witnesses, the video, and your conduct.

J1MBO ...

2017-06-01 11:58:00 UTC

Post by Gareth's Downstairs Computer
Anyway, this was all 12 years ago. Is this NG so bereft of relevant
material that someone unknown felt the need to rake over these coals?

brian reay continues to rake up about me getting beat up.....he really must
have felt like a twat when I came clean.....

Rambo

2017-06-02 23:26:06 UTC

Post by Gareth's Downstairs Computer

On Fri, 2 Jun 2017 10:24:03 +0100, Gareth's Downstairs Computer

Such complaints do not usually get to court. Someone in the CPS must
have felt there was a fair chance of conviction, and thus that the
police officer's actions were not obviously justified.

Quite.

The plods were deliberately delaying dealing with my arrest so that my
complaint against fuller would fall outside the 6-month limitation
for cases of assault in the magistrates court, so I laid an
information before the courts, had to appear before the district
judge at the time who listened to what I said, remarked that there
had been no cause for the plods to arrive mob handed (8 of them
to arrest a non-violent pacifist ?????) and it was the judge himself
who initated the prosecution. As soon as that was underway,
the plods dropped the matter against me as there was then no
point in them delaying it further.
Remember, this was the year, 2005, when reay felt so self-important
that he was having a number of people arrested merely for standing
up against his ridiculous abuse in this NG.

Even though the jury, possibly rightly, gave him the benefit of the doubt.

Either someone thought there was a realistic prospect of conviction, or
was sending Fuller or his line management a fairly strong message.

There wsa no jury, but the video shows me being pinned down by three
of them and my face is clean. Fuller steps over me with his back to the
camera, and when he stands back, there is the bruise. They went through
the video frame by frame and because no frame actually showed his boot
on my face, he was acquitted.
Wankers all - wiltshire plods and beaks.
Anyway, this was all 12 years ago. Is this NG so bereft of relevant
material that someone unknown felt the need to rake over these coals?
Was it to discredit reay whose emotional sensitivity to justified
public criticism set the whole thing inmotion?
Perhaps it is a sign that both this NG and also UKRAM are well past
their sell-by dates?

This may be of interest..
http://www.derbytelegraph.co.uk/derbyshire-police-officer-sacked-for-kicking-man-on-floor/story-30367819-detail/story.html

Brian Reay

2017-06-02 10:53:29 UTC

It was the fact that this complaint actually got to court, even though
he was innocent.

Such complaints do not usually get to court. Someone in the CPS must
have felt there was a fair chance of conviction, and thus that the
police officer's actions were not obviously justified.

Quite.

Even though the jury, possibly rightly, gave him the benefit of the doubt.

Either someone thought there was a realistic prospect of conviction, or
was sending Fuller or his line management a fairly strong message.

Pure, biased, speculation.

Rambo

2017-06-02 00:28:17 UTC

It was the fact that this complaint actually got to court, even though
he was innocent.
Jeff

There was video evidence which would suggest he had a case to answer.

Stephen Thomas Cole

2017-06-02 05:33:23 UTC

It was the fact that this complaint actually got to court, even though
he was innocent.
Jeff

There was video evidence which would suggest he had a case to answer.

The video evidence of G loudly and violently resisting arrest, you mean?

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J1MBO ...

2017-06-01 07:14:00 UTC

It was the fact that this complaint actually got to court, even though
he was innocent.
Jeff

There was video evidence which would suggest he had a case to answer.

The video evidence of G loudly and violently resisting arrest, you mean?

so would you with a gentle boot in the face .......

Stephen Thomas Cole

2017-06-02 08:23:07 UTC

It was the fact that this complaint actually got to court, even though
he was innocent.
Jeff

There was video evidence which would suggest he had a case to answer.

The video evidence of G loudly and violently resisting arrest, you mean?

so would you with a gentle boot in the face .......

I do believe that the boot on face was a response to G loudly and violently
resisting arrest.

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Brian Reay

2017-06-02 10:50:37 UTC

It was the fact that this complaint actually got to court, even though
he was innocent.
Jeff

There was video evidence which would suggest he had a case to answer.

The video evidence of G loudly and violently resisting arrest, you mean?

so would you with a gentle boot in the face .......

I do believe that the boot on face was a response to G loudly and violently
resisting arrest.

I believe the reasons are detailed in one of the newspaper reports.

FranK Turner-Smith G3VKI

2017-06-02 11:07:07 UTC

It was the fact that this complaint actually got to court, even though
he was innocent.
Jeff

There was video evidence which would suggest he had a case to answer.

The video evidence of G loudly and violently resisting arrest, you mean?

so would you with a gentle boot in the face .......

I do believe that the boot on face was a response to G loudly and violently
resisting arrest.

I believe the reasons are detailed in one of the newspaper reports.

Surely the fact that they arrived mob-handed and videoed the arrest suggests
they were expecting (and got) problems.

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Brian Reay

2017-06-02 11:19:15 UTC

It was the fact that this complaint actually got to court, even though
he was innocent.
Jeff

There was video evidence which would suggest he had a case to answer.

The video evidence of G loudly and violently resisting arrest, you mean?

so would you with a gentle boot in the face .......

I do believe that the boot on face was a response to G loudly and violently
resisting arrest.

I believe the reasons are detailed in one of the newspaper reports.

Surely the fact that they arrived mob-handed and videoed the arrest
suggests they were expecting (and got) problems.

Indeed.

J1MBO ...

2017-06-01 12:00:53 UTC

It was the fact that this complaint actually got to court, even though
he was innocent.
Jeff

There was video evidence which would suggest he had a case to answer.

The video evidence of G loudly and violently resisting arrest, you mean?

so would you with a gentle boot in the face .......

I do believe that the boot on face was a response to G loudly and violently
resisting arrest.

I believe the reasons are detailed in one of the newspaper reports.

Surely the fact that they arrived mob-handed and videoed the arrest
suggests they were expecting (and got) problems.

spot on ...they had been fed information and lies by a fellow brother class
B radio amateur with a grude .....

Stephen Thomas Cole

2017-06-03 12:28:00 UTC

It was the fact that this complaint actually got to court, even though
he was innocent.
Jeff

There was video evidence which would suggest he had a case to answer.

The video evidence of G loudly and violently resisting arrest, you mean?

so would you with a gentle boot in the face .......

I do believe that the boot on face was a response to G loudly and violently
resisting arrest.

I believe the reasons are detailed in one of the newspaper reports.

Surely the fact that they arrived mob-handed and videoed the arrest suggests
they were expecting (and got) problems.

I forget the chronology, did he send the 50+ letters of complaint to
Wiltshire Constabulary before or after the boot on face incident?

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J1MBO ...

2017-05-31 14:49:47 UTC

so...what you are saying he then went on to be aggresive with his
wife....she is lucky he didn't bring out the piece......

J1MBO ...

2017-05-31 14:46:58 UTC

Post by Brian Howie
http://www.gazetteandherald.co.uk/news/690844.Court_clears_policeman_of_/
I can't even remember why Gareth was arrested on that occasion;
probably a mnor disagreement on here that escalated. ICBA looking back
to find out.
Brian

nothing that would demand a fire arms officer to attend I am sure .......

best not to open your eyes wide then or you geta "gentle" boot in the
face......tee hee

Bernie

2017-06-01 18:20:02 UTC

On Thu, 01 Jun 2017 11:35:31 +0100

Post by Brian Howie
I can't even remember why Gareth was arrested on that occasion;
probably a mnor disagreement on here that escalated. ICBA looking back
to find out.

Gareth says that he was arrested for openly disagreeing with Brian Reay
on Usenet. He's unwilling to say what the police actually said was
their reason for arresting him.

It's an odd one.

J1MBO ...

2017-05-31 19:14:38 UTC

Post by Bernie
On Thu, 01 Jun 2017 11:35:31 +0100

Post by Brian Howie
I can't even remember why Gareth was arrested on that occasion;
probably a mnor disagreement on here that escalated. ICBA looking back
to find out.

Gareth says that he was arrested for openly disagreeing with Brian Reay
on Usenet. He's unwilling to say what the police actually said was
their reason for arresting him.
It's an odd one.

I rest my case brothers .....

Bernie

2017-06-01 19:45:17 UTC

On Wed, 31 May 2017 20:14:38 +0100

Post by Bernie
On Thu, 01 Jun 2017 11:35:31 +0100

Post by Brian Howie
I can't even remember why Gareth was arrested on that occasion;
probably a mnor disagreement on here that escalated. ICBA looking
back to find out.

Gareth says that he was arrested for openly disagreeing with Brian
Reay on Usenet. He's unwilling to say what the police actually said
was their reason for arresting him.
It's an odd one.

I rest my case brothers .....

What have the Case brothers ever done to you?

J1MBO ...

2017-06-01 08:38:56 UTC

Post by Bernie
On Mon, 29 May 2017 12:55:39 +0100

Post by Custos Custodum
On Mon, 29 May 2017 09:27:23 +0100, "FranK Turner-Smith G3VKI"

Post by FranK Turner-Smith G3VKI
Do chavs put large aerofoils on the back of front wheel drive cars?

It reduces turbulence and the resulting drag, regardless of which
wheels are driven. Every millisecond counts on your way to the next
set of lights, innit?

I thought the original idea was to put more downward force onto the
driving wheels and reduce wheel spin.

Leaving great stripes of rubber on the road gives greater street cred
doesn't it?

I thought you needed an LSD to leave stripes?

Richard Fuller only needed his size 10 police-issue boots to leave a few
stripes on Big G's chops.

LOL! I still like the mental picture of Fuller tap dancing on Beanie's head.

so did the enquiry .....

http://zoompad.blogspot.co.uk/2011/12/suicide.html

losing control by a polis gun officer is not a good thing ......

J1MBO ...

2017-06-01 08:40:45 UTC

Post by Bernie
On Mon, 29 May 2017 12:55:39 +0100

Post by Custos Custodum
On Mon, 29 May 2017 09:27:23 +0100, "FranK Turner-Smith G3VKI"

Post by FranK Turner-Smith G3VKI
Do chavs put large aerofoils on the back of front wheel drive cars?

It reduces turbulence and the resulting drag, regardless of which
wheels are driven. Every millisecond counts on your way to the next
set of lights, innit?

I thought the original idea was to put more downward force onto the
driving wheels and reduce wheel spin.

Leaving great stripes of rubber on the road gives greater street cred
doesn't it?

I thought you needed an LSD to leave stripes?

Richard Fuller only needed his size 10 police-issue boots to leave a few
stripes on Big G's chops.

LOL! I still like the mental picture of Fuller tap dancing on Beanie's head.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1030579/Camillas-bodyguard-shot-wife-left-inquest-hears.html

no tap dancing involved .....

Catweazel

2017-05-30 20:58:17 UTC

Post by Bernie
On Mon, 29 May 2017 12:55:39 +0100

Post by Custos Custodum
On Mon, 29 May 2017 09:27:23 +0100, "FranK Turner-Smith G3VKI"

Post by FranK Turner-Smith G3VKI
Do chavs put large aerofoils on the back of front wheel drive cars?

It reduces turbulence and the resulting drag, regardless of which
wheels are driven. Every millisecond counts on your way to the next
set of lights, innit?

I thought the original idea was to put more downward force onto the
driving wheels and reduce wheel spin.

Leaving great stripes of rubber on the road gives greater street cred
doesn't it?

I thought you needed an LSD to leave stripes?

A surfeit of baked beans can lead to skid marks.. and other things.
Best not go there.

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2017-05-29 12:08:00 UTC

Post by Custos Custodum

Post by FranK Turner-Smith G3VKI
Do chavs put large aerofoils on the back of front wheel drive cars?

It reduces turbulence and the resulting drag, regardless of which
wheels are driven.

Except it doesn't - hence why DRS is needed for F1 cars.

Back on topic... what frequencies do they use for in-car radio I
wonder...

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2017-05-29 12:09:21 UTC

Post by Paul Cummins

Post by Custos Custodum

Post by FranK Turner-Smith G3VKI
Do chavs put large aerofoils on the back of front wheel drive cars?

It reduces turbulence and the resulting drag, regardless of which
wheels are driven.

Except it doesn't - hence why DRS is needed for F1 cars.
Back on topic... what frequencies do they use for in-car radio I
wonder...

ask cole he is a F1 fanatic...twat that he is

J1MBO ...

2017-05-29 12:11:03 UTC

thinking about going for this...it would just about fit the garage....what
do you think? ........
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/292124004094?_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT

it is RWD and has a spoiler

Roger Hayter

2017-05-29 13:31:46 UTC

Post by J1MBO ...
thinking about going for this...it would just about fit the garage....what
do you think? ........
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/292124004094?_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649&ssPage
Name=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT
it is RWD and has a spoiler

It's a very unpleasant shade of green.

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J1MBO ...

2017-05-29 14:41:13 UTC

Post by J1MBO ...
thinking about going for this...it would just about fit the
garage....what
do you think? ........
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/292124004094?_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649&ssPage
Name=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT
it is RWD and has a spoiler

It's a very unpleasant shade of green.

I quite like it .......

J1MBO ...

2017-05-30 13:14:12 UTC

Post by J1MBO ...
thinking about going for this...it would just about fit the
garage....what
do you think? ........
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/292124004094?_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649&ssPage
Name=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT
it is RWD and has a spoiler

It's a very unpleasant shade of green.

I quite like it .......

didn't sell as it is only a couple of miles away I might slip in with a low
offer ........

Stephen Thomas Cole

2017-05-29 13:04:54 UTC