Regretted having started :-(

On Sat, 12 Aug 2017 17:22:37 +0100
"Gareth's Upstairs Computer"

Post by Gareth's Upstairs Computer
After much cussing and swearing, in the style of M3OSN's email to
the BRATS committee members,

mick

2017-08-12 20:03:01 UTC

Post by Gareth's Upstairs Computer
Having yesterday sorted out my small hand tools drawer, and sorting
like-minded tools into chinese take-away plastic containers found
this afternoon that the drawer woould not open.
After much cussing and swearing, in the style of M3OSN's email to
the BRATS committee members, and hooking with carefully shaped
bits of wire, it transpired that when the drawer was shut sharply, the
inertia of the plastic trays made them slide forward so the head of a hammer
dropped into the space behind, and the handle of the hammer pointed
skywards and jammed behind the top lath at the front of the desk.
Moral : if you live in a mess, get use to it!

Take the hammer out and give the draw a good bashing, you will then
feel better :-)

--
mick

Davey

2017-08-12 23:53:58 UTC

On Sat, 12 Aug 2017 21:03:01 +0100

Post by mick
Take the hammer out and give the draw a good bashing, you will then
feel better :-)

Or even the drawer.

--
Davey.

Guy G4DWV 4X1LT

2017-08-13 08:28:17 UTC

On Sat, 12 Aug 2017 17:22:37 +0100, just as I was about to take a
herb, "Gareth's Upstairs Computer"

Post by Gareth's Upstairs Computer
Having yesterday sorted out my small hand tools drawer

Knacker of the Yard has been duly informed.

--
73 de Guy G4DWV/4X1LT

Gareth's Upstairs Computer

2017-08-13 10:52:11 UTC

Post by Guy G4DWV 4X1LT
On Sat, 12 Aug 2017 17:22:37 +0100, just as I was about to take a
herb, "Gareth's Upstairs Computer"

Post by Gareth's Upstairs Computer
Having yesterday sorted out my small hand tools drawer

Knacker of the Yard has been duly informed.

Horologising this morning, and even in a clock, the bits are very small to
handle. Bought from a junk shop a black "marble" French clock to
practice upon. The pendulum is missing and half the suspension
spring too. Had to resort to the staking tool to knock out the
tiny pin in the Vallet suspension block, which itself has been
sitting in a bath of WD40 for a couple of days,

Bring back those body-tip-spot resistors the size of half a
cigarette, I say!

Makes me think about the lack of miniaturised tools; consider the billions
of atoms present, then by reducing tools such as lathes and mills by a
factor
of, say, 100, and there should still be sufficient metal remaining to do a
good job. Sure, we might need a microscope and a manipulator to use
such tools, but the subsequent ease for watchmaking and the like should
follow?

The accurate lathes etc of today were themselves brought about
through use of their less accurate forefathers, so whereas our first
attemots
at miniaturisation might be somewaht scabby, now we know the process
to follow (which Maudsley et al had no experience of) how quickly could
we produce a series of improvements resulting in accurate tools to reproduce
with ease the components of watches?

</WAFFLE>

RustyHinge

2017-08-14 13:05:09 UTC

Post by Gareth's Upstairs Computer
Had to resort to the staking tool to knock out the
tiny pin in the Vallet suspension block, which itself has been
sitting in a bath of WD40 for a couple of days,

Diesel oil is better - or, if it's well grunged, soak in paraffin first,
then diseasel.

--
Rusty Hinge
To err is human. To really foul things up requires a computer and the BOFH.

Brian Reay

2017-08-14 16:33:23 UTC

Post by Gareth's Upstairs Computer
Had to resort to the staking tool to knock out the
tiny pin in the Vallet suspension block, which itself has been
sitting in a bath of WD40 for a couple of days,

Diesel oil is better - or, if it's well grunged, soak in paraffin first,
then diseasel.

It is a clock, not an engine ;-)

Something like WD40 is more appropriate.

An 'shake' in an ultra sonic cleaner would probably help, assuming there
is nothing there which would object. I have a proper ultra sonic cleaner
but I understand even the cheap 'not really ultra sonic' ultra sonic
cleaners are surprisingly effective- they have a crude off-centre wheel
to shake the pot, more of a 'rattle cleaner'. Someone told me they were
originally designed for cleaning false teeth- they certainly look about
the right size etc. ;-)

FMurtz

2017-08-21 09:15:26 UTC

Post by Gareth's Upstairs Computer
Had to resort to the staking tool to knock out the
tiny pin in the Vallet suspension block, which itself has been
sitting in a bath of WD40 for a couple of days,

Diesel oil is better - or, if it's well grunged, soak in paraffin first,
then diseasel.

It is a clock, not an engine ;-)
Something like WD40 is more appropriate.
An 'shake' in an ultra sonic cleaner would probably help, assuming there
is nothing there which would object. I have a proper ultra sonic cleaner
but I understand even the cheap 'not really ultra sonic' ultra sonic
cleaners are surprisingly effective- they have a crude off-centre wheel
to shake the pot, more of a 'rattle cleaner'. Someone told me they were
originally designed for cleaning false teeth- they certainly look about
the right size etc. ;-)

I got one of them in Aldi about five years ago,it is still in its box.

Jim GM4DHJ ...

2017-08-21 09:29:59 UTC

Post by Gareth's Upstairs Computer
Had to resort to the staking tool to knock out the
tiny pin in the Vallet suspension block, which itself has been
sitting in a bath of WD40 for a couple of days,

Diesel oil is better - or, if it's well grunged, soak in paraffin first,
then diseasel.

It is a clock, not an engine ;-)
Something like WD40 is more appropriate.
An 'shake' in an ultra sonic cleaner would probably help, assuming there
is nothing there which would object. I have a proper ultra sonic cleaner
but I understand even the cheap 'not really ultra sonic' ultra sonic
cleaners are surprisingly effective- they have a crude off-centre wheel
to shake the pot, more of a 'rattle cleaner'. Someone told me they were
originally designed for cleaning false teeth- they certainly look about
the right size etc. ;-)

I got one of them in Aldi about five years ago,it is still in its box.

I used mine on cheap plastic glasses and it ruined them...as warned ......

Guy G4DWV 4X1LT

2017-08-21 17:50:40 UTC

On Mon, 14 Aug 2017 17:33:23 +0100, just as I was about to take a

Post by Brian Reay
Someone told me they were
originally designed for cleaning false teeth

No chance. The best stuff on the market for cleaning dentures, even
metal ones* is Dentural. I have been recommending it for over 35 years
and all my patients have found it fantastic.

*The instructions say NOT to use with metal dentures, but if the
instructions are followed there will not be any problem.

I also advised the use of kettle descaler for removing hard deposits.
Works a treat. Naturally have to be rinsed very well after using it.

--
73 de Guy G4DWV/4X1LT

Brian Reay

2017-08-21 17:58:19 UTC

Post by Guy G4DWV 4X1LT
On Mon, 14 Aug 2017 17:33:23 +0100, just as I was about to take a

Post by Brian Reay
Someone told me they were
originally designed for cleaning false teeth

No chance. The best stuff on the market for cleaning dentures, even
metal ones* is Dentural. I have been recommending it for over 35 years
and all my patients have found it fantastic.
*The instructions say NOT to use with metal dentures, but if the
instructions are followed there will not be any problem.
I also advised the use of kettle descaler for removing hard deposits.
Works a treat. Naturally have to be rinsed very well after using it.

Should I even need it, I will try to remember the above ;-)

I wasn't aware they make false teeth from metal. I'd never given what
they are made of much thought- I supposed I'd assumed plastic (at least
these days) and some hard resin (for the teeth).

OK re the cheap (pseudo) ultrasonic cleaners not being for teeth
originally. If you look at the size and shape, you can see whoever
suggested thought it may be the case.

Guy G4DWV 4X1LT

2017-08-22 11:04:20 UTC

On Mon, 21 Aug 2017 18:58:19 +0100, just as I was about to take a

Post by Brian Reay
wasn't aware they make false teeth from metal. I'd never given what
they are made of much thought- I supposed I'd assumed plastic (at least
these days) and some hard resin (for the teeth).

On the NHS, plastic dentures are supplied unless there is a clinical
need for something more expensive. What the patient wants does not
come into it. "False teeth made from metal" means the base not the
teeth themselves, but it is possible to do that.

The denture base and the teeth themselves are made from the same
material, polymethylmethacrylate, aka Perspex. The teeth themselves
are the biggest export of Liechtenstein.

The other material from which the teeth themselves are made is
porcelain, very expensive and not available on the NHS. There is never
a clinical need for these.

The base of the denture (for full dentures) or connectors (partial
dentures) can be made of metal. The big advantage is strength so they
can be made smaller and more comfortable. The metal used is a
chrome/cobalt alloy.

The bill is in the post ;-).

--
73 de Guy G4DWV/4X1LT

Brian Reay

2017-08-22 18:57:21 UTC

Post by Guy G4DWV 4X1LT
On Mon, 21 Aug 2017 18:58:19 +0100, just as I was about to take a

On the NHS, plastic dentures are supplied unless there is a clinical
need for something more expensive. What the patient wants does not
come into it. "False teeth made from metal" means the base not the
teeth themselves, but it is possible to do that.
The denture base and the teeth themselves are made from the same
material, polymethylmethacrylate, aka Perspex. The teeth themselves
are the biggest export of Liechtenstein.
The other material from which the teeth themselves are made is
porcelain, very expensive and not available on the NHS. There is never
a clinical need for these.
The base of the denture (for full dentures) or connectors (partial
dentures) can be made of metal. The big advantage is strength so they
can be made smaller and more comfortable. The metal used is a
chrome/cobalt alloy.
The bill is in the post ;-).

Fortunately, all things being equal, I should escape the need for false
teeth but the technology is still interesting.

Jimbo

2017-08-23 05:15:55 UTC

Post by Guy G4DWV 4X1LT
On Mon, 21 Aug 2017 18:58:19 +0100, just as I was about to take a

On the NHS, plastic dentures are supplied unless there is a clinical
need for something more expensive. What the patient wants does not
come into it. "False teeth made from metal" means the base not the
teeth themselves, but it is possible to do that.
The denture base and the teeth themselves are made from the same
material, polymethylmethacrylate, aka Perspex. The teeth themselves
are the biggest export of Liechtenstein.
The other material from which the teeth themselves are made is
porcelain, very expensive and not available on the NHS. There is never
a clinical need for these.
The base of the denture (for full dentures) or connectors (partial
dentures) can be made of metal. The big advantage is strength so they
can be made smaller and more comfortable. The metal used is a
chrome/cobalt alloy.
The bill is in the post ;-).

Fortunately, all things being equal, I should escape the need for false
teeth but the technology is still interesting.

hope nobody smacks you in the face then.......

Brian Reay

2017-08-23 08:28:37 UTC

Post by Jimbo

Post by Guy G4DWV 4X1LT
On Mon, 21 Aug 2017 18:58:19 +0100, just as I was about to take a

On the NHS, plastic dentures are supplied unless there is a clinical
need for something more expensive. What the patient wants does not
come into it. "False teeth made from metal" means the base not the
teeth themselves, but it is possible to do that.
The denture base and the teeth themselves are made from the same
material, polymethylmethacrylate, aka Perspex. The teeth themselves
are the biggest export of Liechtenstein.
The other material from which the teeth themselves are made is
porcelain, very expensive and not available on the NHS. There is never
a clinical need for these.
The base of the denture (for full dentures) or connectors (partial
dentures) can be made of metal. The big advantage is strength so they
can be made smaller and more comfortable. The metal used is a
chrome/cobalt alloy.
The bill is in the post ;-).

Fortunately, all things being equal, I should escape the need for false
teeth but the technology is still interesting.

hope nobody smacks you in the face then.......

That is you kind of social circle behaviour.

Jim GM4DHJ ...

2017-08-23 14:12:07 UTC

Post by Guy G4DWV 4X1LT
On Mon, 21 Aug 2017 18:58:19 +0100, just as I was about to take a

On the NHS, plastic dentures are supplied unless there is a clinical
need for something more expensive. What the patient wants does not
come into it. "False teeth made from metal" means the base not the
teeth themselves, but it is possible to do that.
The denture base and the teeth themselves are made from the same
material, polymethylmethacrylate, aka Perspex. The teeth themselves
are the biggest export of Liechtenstein.
The other material from which the teeth themselves are made is
porcelain, very expensive and not available on the NHS. There is never
a clinical need for these.
The base of the denture (for full dentures) or connectors (partial
dentures) can be made of metal. The big advantage is strength so they
can be made smaller and more comfortable. The metal used is a
chrome/cobalt alloy.
The bill is in the post ;-).

Fortunately, all things being equal, I should escape the need for false
teeth but the technology is still interesting.

hope nobody smacks you in the face then.......

That is you kind of social circle behaviour.

one beat up was imaginary...one threat to kick my face in was over 2m fm
only....you might not be so lucky........

Jimbo

2017-08-23 06:50:09 UTC

Post by Guy G4DWV 4X1LT
On Mon, 21 Aug 2017 18:58:19 +0100, just as I was about to take a

On the NHS, plastic dentures are supplied unless there is a clinical
need for something more expensive. What the patient wants does not
come into it. "False teeth made from metal" means the base not the
teeth themselves, but it is possible to do that.
The denture base and the teeth themselves are made from the same
material, polymethylmethacrylate, aka Perspex. The teeth themselves
are the biggest export of Liechtenstein.
The other material from which the teeth themselves are made is
porcelain, very expensive and not available on the NHS. There is never
a clinical need for these.
The base of the denture (for full dentures) or connectors (partial
dentures) can be made of metal. The big advantage is strength so they
can be made smaller and more comfortable. The metal used is a
chrome/cobalt alloy.
The bill is in the post ;-).

Fortunately, all things being equal, I should escape the need for false
teeth but the technology is still interesting.

bet you are also interested in hair piece and invisible hearing aid
technology ....

Brian Reay

2017-08-23 08:15:30 UTC

Post by Jimbo

Post by Guy G4DWV 4X1LT
On Mon, 21 Aug 2017 18:58:19 +0100, just as I was about to take a

On the NHS, plastic dentures are supplied unless there is a clinical
need for something more expensive. What the patient wants does not
come into it. "False teeth made from metal" means the base not the
teeth themselves, but it is possible to do that.
The denture base and the teeth themselves are made from the same
material, polymethylmethacrylate, aka Perspex. The teeth themselves
are the biggest export of Liechtenstein.
The other material from which the teeth themselves are made is
porcelain, very expensive and not available on the NHS. There is never
a clinical need for these.
The base of the denture (for full dentures) or connectors (partial
dentures) can be made of metal. The big advantage is strength so they
can be made smaller and more comfortable. The metal used is a
chrome/cobalt alloy.
The bill is in the post ;-).

Fortunately, all things being equal, I should escape the need for false
teeth but the technology is still interesting.

bet you are also interested in hair piece and invisible hearing aid
technology ....

Only in you imagination Jim. Rather like your not being able to see any
street lights etc. or Cummins various fantasies.

RustyHinge

2017-08-23 10:35:26 UTC

Post by Guy G4DWV 4X1LT
On Mon, 21 Aug 2017 18:58:19 +0100, just as I was about to take a

On the NHS, plastic dentures are supplied unless there is a clinical
need for something more expensive. What the patient wants does not
come into it. "False teeth made from metal" means the base not the
teeth themselves, but it is possible to do that.
The denture base and the teeth themselves are made from the same
material, polymethylmethacrylate, aka Perspex. The teeth themselves
are the biggest export of Liechtenstein.
The other material from which the teeth themselves are made is
porcelain, very expensive and not available on the NHS. There is never
a clinical need for these.
The base of the denture (for full dentures) or connectors (partial
dentures) can be made of metal. The big advantage is strength so they
can be made smaller and more comfortable. The metal used is a
chrome/cobalt alloy.
The bill is in the post ;-).

Fortunately, all things being equal, I should escape the need for false
teeth but the technology is still interesting.

I could do with an implant or two, but pushing 80 as I am, it probably
isn't cost-effective.

--
Rusty Hinge
To err is human. To really foul things up requires a computer and the BOFH.

Brian Reay

2017-08-23 11:11:47 UTC

Post by Guy G4DWV 4X1LT
On Mon, 21 Aug 2017 18:58:19 +0100, just as I was about to take a

On the NHS, plastic dentures are supplied unless there is a clinical
need for something more expensive. What the patient wants does not
come into it. "False teeth made from metal" means the base not the
teeth themselves, but it is possible to do that.
The denture base and the teeth themselves are made from the same
material, polymethylmethacrylate, aka Perspex. The teeth themselves
are the biggest export of Liechtenstein.
The other material from which the teeth themselves are made is
porcelain, very expensive and not available on the NHS. There is never
a clinical need for these.
The base of the denture (for full dentures) or connectors (partial
dentures) can be made of metal. The big advantage is strength so they
can be made smaller and more comfortable. The metal used is a
chrome/cobalt alloy.
The bill is in the post ;-).

Fortunately, all things being equal, I should escape the need for
false teeth but the technology is still interesting.

I could do with an implant or two, but pushing 80 as I am, it probably
isn't cost-effective.

Why not, you can't take it (the money) with you and you could live
another 20 or 30 years.

Certainly should I need one, I wouldn't hesitate.

--
Suspect someone is claiming a benefit under false pretences? Incapacity
Benefit or Personal Independence Payment when they don't need it? They
are depriving those in real need!

https://www.gov.uk/report-benefit-fraud

Guy G4DWV 4X1LT

2017-08-23 16:42:14 UTC

On Wed, 23 Aug 2017 12:11:47 +0100, just as I was about to take a

Post by Brian Reay
Certainly should I need one, I wouldn't hesitate.

Nobody ever *needs* one.

--
73 de Guy G4DWV/4X1LT

RustyHinge

2017-08-25 10:24:38 UTC

Post by Guy G4DWV 4X1LT
On Mon, 21 Aug 2017 18:58:19 +0100, just as I was about to take a

On the NHS, plastic dentures are supplied unless there is a clinical
need for something more expensive. What the patient wants does not
come into it. "False teeth made from metal" means the base not the
teeth themselves, but it is possible to do that.
The denture base and the teeth themselves are made from the same
material, polymethylmethacrylate, aka Perspex. The teeth themselves
are the biggest export of Liechtenstein.
The other material from which the teeth themselves are made is
porcelain, very expensive and not available on the NHS. There is never
a clinical need for these.
The base of the denture (for full dentures) or connectors (partial
dentures) can be made of metal. The big advantage is strength so they
can be made smaller and more comfortable. The metal used is a
chrome/cobalt alloy.
The bill is in the post ;-).

Fortunately, all things being equal, I should escape the need for
false teeth but the technology is still interesting.

I could do with an implant or two, but pushing 80 as I am, it probably
isn't cost-effective.

Why not, you can't take it (the money) with you and you could live
another 20 or 30 years.
Certainly should I need one, I wouldn't hesitate.

If I live anothwer thirty years I'll make nearly 110...

--
Rusty Hinge
To err is human. To really foul things up requires a computer and the BOFH.

Jimbo

2017-08-23 15:08:11 UTC

Post by Guy G4DWV 4X1LT
On Mon, 21 Aug 2017 18:58:19 +0100, just as I was about to take a

On the NHS, plastic dentures are supplied unless there is a clinical
need for something more expensive. What the patient wants does not
come into it. "False teeth made from metal" means the base not the
teeth themselves, but it is possible to do that.
The denture base and the teeth themselves are made from the same
material, polymethylmethacrylate, aka Perspex. The teeth themselves
are the biggest export of Liechtenstein.
The other material from which the teeth themselves are made is
porcelain, very expensive and not available on the NHS. There is never
a clinical need for these.
The base of the denture (for full dentures) or connectors (partial
dentures) can be made of metal. The big advantage is strength so they
can be made smaller and more comfortable. The metal used is a
chrome/cobalt alloy.
The bill is in the post ;-).

Fortunately, all things being equal, I should escape the need for false
teeth but the technology is still interesting.

I could do with an implant or two, but pushing 80 as I am, it probably
isn't cost-effective.

in my case I blame sweets coming off ration my older brother by five years
was skiny and good teeth ........

RustyHinge

2017-08-25 10:30:19 UTC

Post by Guy G4DWV 4X1LT
On Mon, 21 Aug 2017 18:58:19 +0100, just as I was about to take a

On the NHS, plastic dentures are supplied unless there is a clinical
need for something more expensive. What the patient wants does not
come into it. "False teeth made from metal" means the base not the
teeth themselves, but it is possible to do that.
The denture base and the teeth themselves are made from the same
material, polymethylmethacrylate, aka Perspex. The teeth themselves
are the biggest export of Liechtenstein.
The other material from which the teeth themselves are made is
porcelain, very expensive and not available on the NHS. There is never
a clinical need for these.
The base of the denture (for full dentures) or connectors (partial
dentures) can be made of metal. The big advantage is strength so they
can be made smaller and more comfortable. The metal used is a
chrome/cobalt alloy.
The bill is in the post ;-).

Fortunately, all things being equal, I should escape the need for false
teeth but the technology is still interesting.

I could do with an implant or two, but pushing 80 as I am, it probably
isn't cost-effective.

in my case I blame sweets coming off ration my older brother by five years
was skiny and good teeth ........

Well, sweets came off ration around 1953 IIRC, and I didn't scoff a lot
of them, though I *did* have room for a Wagon Wheel quite often - and
then, they really were a lot biggerer. And thickerer.

--
Rusty Hinge
To err is human. To really foul things up requires a computer and the BOFH.

Spike

2017-08-25 10:47:02 UTC

Post by RustyHinge
Well, sweets came off ration around 1953 IIRC, and I didn't scoff a lot
of them, though I *did* have room for a Wagon Wheel quite often - and
then, they really were a lot biggerer. And thickerer.

My class photograph from top juniors shows 30 kids (and the teacher and
class assistant) all as skinny as a rakes, and there were very few who
wore glasses and none at all with a hearing aid or an allergy.

--
Spike

Brian Reay

2017-08-29 19:55:45 UTC

Post by RustyHinge
Well, sweets came off ration around 1953 IIRC, and I didn't scoff a
lot of them, though I *did* have room for a Wagon Wheel quite often -
and then, they really were a lot biggerer. And thickerer.

Not wearing glasses or using a hearing aid could easily be due to
problems not being spotted. Even today, it is surprising how often
pupils can't see the whiteboard or have hearing problems and it has gone
unnoticed for sometime.

Neither are related to sweats being on/off ration etc.

Roger Hayter

2017-08-29 21:09:40 UTC

Post by RustyHinge
Well, sweets came off ration around 1953 IIRC, and I didn't scoff a
lot of them, though I *did* have room for a Wagon Wheel quite often -
and then, they really were a lot biggerer. And thickerer.

That is very true. Screening was not so widespread, and the expectation
of being able to afford such aids was not widespread in poorer areas,
despite the NHS just beginning to make these things available much more
widely. No-one noticed I couldn't read a blackboard until I was 12,
except me, and I assumed no-one else could either

Post by Brian Reay
Neither are related to sweats being on/off ration etc.

--
Roger Hayter

Brian Reay

2017-08-30 07:09:53 UTC

Post by RustyHinge
Well, sweets came off ration around 1953 IIRC, and I didn't scoff a
lot of them, though I *did* have room for a Wagon Wheel quite often -
and then, they really were a lot biggerer. And thickerer.

Spike will, of course, have another 'expert' view which he will inform
us of and claim he was consulted on by the government. ;-)

It is truly amazing to think our various governments have been using a
(retired) postman as a consultant on a whole range of matters for decade
after decade.

;-)

Spike

2017-08-30 08:12:27 UTC

Post by RustyHinge
Well, sweets came off ration around 1953 IIRC, and I didn't scoff a
lot of them, though I *did* have room for a Wagon Wheel quite often -
and then, they really were a lot biggerer. And thickerer.

Allergies are even easier to 'spot', just like being overweight, but
no-one had an allergy and no-one was over-weight.

Post by Roger Hayter
That is very true. Screening was not so widespread, and the expectation
of being able to afford such aids was not widespread in poorer areas,
despite the NHS just beginning to make these things available much more
widely. No-one noticed I couldn't read a blackboard until I was 12,
except me, and I assumed no-one else could either

So the teacher would write something on the blackboard for the class to
copy into their workbooks, but as you couldn't see the blackboard you
wouldn't have copied much - and no-one picked this up in ~7 years?

Post by Brian Reay
Neither are related to sweats being on/off ration etc.

You forgot 'allergies'.

Are you drowning in your own sweat?

--
Spike

Brian Reay

2017-08-30 09:06:09 UTC

Post by RustyHinge
Well, sweets came off ration around 1953 IIRC, and I didn't scoff a
lot of them, though I *did* have room for a Wagon Wheel quite often -
and then, they really were a lot biggerer. And thickerer.

Allergies are even easier to 'spot', just like being overweight, but
no-one had an allergy and no-one was over-weight.

You didn't mention those in your 'photo' post, you mentioned glasses and
hearing aids.

No one has questioned the way allergies and weight have become a
'modern' problem. To anyone with an iota of common sense it is obvious.

In 'working class homes', at least in the north, youngsters would live
in houses without central heating, probably heated by coal fires, have a
cooked school lunch ('meat and two veg') and a cooked evening meal.
Obesity was, at least, very uncommon, but probably not unknown. Asthma-
I recall one boy who suffered from it in junior school, he also had a
hearing aid and glasses. Without being unkind, he was the statistically
unlucky one.

Post by Brian Reay
Neither are related to sweats being on/off ration etc.

You forgot 'allergies'.
Are you drowning in your own sweat?

Too hot to do much at all. I've even skipped my walk- most unusual.

RustyHinge

2017-09-22 11:35:45 UTC

Post by Spike
Allergies are even easier to 'spot', just like being overweight, but
no-one had an allergy and no-one was over-weight.

How?

We had two pupils in our class who were overweight as I unforget.
Neither was grossly so, and I can't think of anyone in the school (640
pupils) who was really grossly obese.

So, how do you spot an allergy?

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Spike

2017-09-23 09:39:21 UTC

Post by Spike
Allergies are even easier to 'spot', just like being overweight, but
no-one had an allergy and no-one was over-weight.

How?
We had two pupils in our class who were overweight as I unforget.
Neither was grossly so, and I can't think of anyone in the school (640
pupils) who was really grossly obese.
So, how do you spot an allergy?

If you're one eminent senior consultant, not at all. The exact words
used were "I'm afraid the NHS can do nothing for your daughter".

This chap was annoyed because I'd refused to let him carry out a
procedure. I had my (scientific) reasons and I'd told him what they
were. He couldn't upstage them, so in a disgraceful act, we got dumped.

Unfortunately. he said this in front of his trainees, and not being the
sort of person to let something like this pass, I replied that in a few
years a new technique will be developed that carries none of the risks
of the current one, and when that happens we'll take advantage of it.
He'd never heard of this, of course, not being a scientist - I'd used
the scientific name - and so he flounced out followed by his juniors. I
hope the lesson they learned that day was that no matter how senior, a
doctor can be, and sometimes is, ignorant of the issue at hand.

We were left to our own devices, and it took some time before we were,
quite accidentally, given the name of another senior paediatrician.
Being younger and trained in modern techniques, she diagnosed my
daughter while she was still walking through the door. Unfortunately,
this lady wanted to perform the same procedure as the previous
consultant, but I deployed the same arguments as I'd used then, and she
admitted later that I was the only one of her patients that had ever
managed to avoid it. Eventually, we took our daughter to a senior
paediatrician who was one of that very rare breed that look at the whole
patient, and under whose care my daughter made significant improvements.

The elderly senior consultant had stooped to using emotional blackmail,
such as "Your daughter won't thank you for this when she's sixteen!", to
which I answered that it was my duty as a father to do the best for her,
and should the worst happen in later years as a result of this
procedure, he wouldn't be there to pick up the pieces.

Keep in mind that doctors see medical conditions as being caused by a
lack of medication, much of it being harmful. The one thing they don't
seem to be trained for is to treat a patient as a whole.

--
Spike

Stephen Thomas Troll

2017-09-23 10:02:54 UTC

Post by Spike
Allergies are even easier to 'spot', just like being overweight, but
no-one had an allergy and no-one was over-weight.

How?
We had two pupils in our class who were overweight as I unforget.
Neither was grossly so, and I can't think of anyone in the school (640
pupils) who was really grossly obese.
So, how do you spot an allergy?

If you're one eminent senior consultant, not at all. The exact words
used were "I'm afraid the NHS can do nothing for your daughter".
This chap was annoyed because I'd refused to let him carry out a
procedure. I had my (scientific) reasons and I'd told him what they
were. He couldn't upstage them, so in a disgraceful act, we got dumped.
Unfortunately. he said this in front of his trainees, and not being the
sort of person to let something like this pass, I replied that in a few
years a new technique will be developed that carries none of the risks
of the current one, and when that happens we'll take advantage of it.
He'd never heard of this, of course, not being a scientist - I'd used
the scientific name - and so he flounced out followed by his juniors. I
hope the lesson they learned that day was that no matter how senior, a
doctor can be, and sometimes is, ignorant of the issue at hand.
We were left to our own devices, and it took some time before we were,
quite accidentally, given the name of another senior paediatrician.
Being younger and trained in modern techniques, she diagnosed my
daughter while she was still walking through the door. Unfortunately,
this lady wanted to perform the same procedure as the previous
consultant, but I deployed the same arguments as I'd used then, and she
admitted later that I was the only one of her patients that had ever
managed to avoid it. Eventually, we took our daughter to a senior
paediatrician who was one of that very rare breed that look at the whole
patient, and under whose care my daughter made significant improvements.
The elderly senior consultant had stooped to using emotional blackmail,
such as "Your daughter won't thank you for this when she's sixteen!", to
which I answered that it was my duty as a father to do the best for her,
and should the worst happen in later years as a result of this
procedure, he wouldn't be there to pick up the pieces.
Keep in mind that doctors see medical conditions as being caused by a
lack of medication, much of it being harmful. The one thing they don't
seem to be trained for is to treat a patient as a whole.

Burt, good place to drape your tale, Burt. Burt, looks really natural to
me, Burt.

Burt, thanks, Burt.

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Brian Reay

2017-09-23 12:49:56 UTC

Post by Spike
Allergies are even easier to 'spot', just like being overweight, but
no-one had an allergy and no-one was over-weight.

How?
We had two pupils in our class who were overweight as I unforget.
Neither was grossly so, and I can't think of anyone in the school (640
pupils) who was really grossly obese.
So, how do you spot an allergy?

Depends if you mean casually or properly. They do 'patch tests' for some
things - amazing what you can glean from looking at medical books with a
medical student in the family (well former student now).

RustyHinge

2017-09-22 11:28:48 UTC

Screening was not so widespread, and the expectation

Post by Roger Hayter
of being able to afford such aids was not widespread in poorer areas,
despite the NHS just beginning to make these things available much more
widely. No-one noticed I couldn't read a blackboard until I was 12,
except me, and I assumed no-one else could either

My mother (typically) said "There's nothing the matter with your
eyesight, but I'll arrange for you to see Dr. Zwinck."

While she was treating (with shortwave diathermy) Philip (Russell Read),
the pharacist at whose premises the tests took place, she asked him
about my need for glasses.

"Oh yes," he replied: "he does, and rather badly."

I've worn spectacles ever since then. (1954)

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Spike

2017-09-23 09:39:33 UTC

Screening was not so widespread, and the expectation

My mother (typically) said "There's nothing the matter with your
eyesight, but I'll arrange for you to see Dr. Zwinck."
While she was treating (with short-wave diathermy) Philip (Russell Read),
the pharmacist at whose premises the tests took place, she asked him
about my need for glasses.
"Oh yes," he replied: "he does, and rather badly."
I've worn spectacles ever since then. (1954)

Since the age of 6 here, not long after the NHS came into being.

--
Spike

Jim GM4DHJ ...

2017-09-23 15:03:21 UTC

Post by Roger Hayter
Screening was not so widespread, and the expectation

Since the age of 6 here, not long after the NHS came into being.

I stopped wearing my specs at age 15 and my eyes got better on their
own.....

Peter Fairbrother

2017-09-24 03:58:38 UTC

Post by Jim GM4DHJ ...
I stopped wearing my specs at age 15 and my eyes got better on their
own.....

I stopped wearing my specs at age 15 and my eyes didn't get any better.
I just couldn't see very well (though nowadays I'd pay to see that well
even with specs ...).

And I got eyestrain headaches besides, and a few girlfriends, so I
started wearing specs again.

Peter Fairbrother

Jim GM4DHJ ...

2017-09-25 07:01:23 UTC

Post by Jim GM4DHJ ...
I stopped wearing my specs at age 15 and my eyes got better on their
own.....

I stopped wearing my specs at age 15 and my eyes didn't get any better. I
just couldn't see very well (though nowadays I'd pay to see that well even
with specs ...).
And I got eyestrain headaches besides, and a few girlfriends, so I started
wearing specs again.
Peter Fairbrother

my 14 year old girlfriend who wore specs chucked me in a jealous fit because
I didn't wear them any longer and she had to ........

Spike

2017-09-24 08:27:21 UTC

Post by Jim GM4DHJ ...

Post by Spike
Since the age of 6 here, not long after the NHS came into being.

I stopped wearing my specs at age 15 and my eyes got better on their
own.....

Tried that, but it didn't work...

--
Spike

Jim GM4DHJ ...

2017-08-30 14:00:34 UTC

Post by RustyHinge
Well, sweets came off ration around 1953 IIRC, and I didn't scoff a
lot of them, though I *did* have room for a Wagon Wheel quite often -
and then, they really were a lot biggerer. And thickerer.

Not wearing glasses or using a hearing aid could easily be due to
problems not being spotted. Even today, it is surprising how often pupils
can't see the whiteboard or have hearing problems and it has gone
unnoticed for sometime.
Neither are related to sweats being on/off ration etc.

I had problems in primary but nobody helped ..... I blame band 1 Tv for an
eye squint .....

Brian Reay

2017-09-23 12:49:55 UTC

Post by Jim GM4DHJ ...

Post by RustyHinge
Well, sweets came off ration around 1953 IIRC, and I didn't scoff a
lot of them, though I *did* have room for a Wagon Wheel quite often -
and then, they really were a lot biggerer. And thickerer.

Not wearing glasses or using a hearing aid could easily be due to
problems not being spotted. Even today, it is surprising how often pupils
can't see the whiteboard or have hearing problems and it has gone
unnoticed for sometime.
Neither are related to sweats being on/off ration etc.

I had problems in primary but nobody helped ..... I blame band 1 Tv for an
eye squint .....

Even if that were the cause, no one made you watch it. Your comment betrays
your underlying attitude of failing to accept responsibility.

Roger Hayter

2017-09-23 17:05:14 UTC

snip

Post by Jim GM4DHJ ...
I had problems in primary but nobody helped ..... I blame band 1 Tv for an
eye squint .....

Even if that were the cause, no one made you watch it. Your comment betrays
your underlying attitude of failing to accept responsibility.

Accepting responsibility for lifestyle decisions at primary school age
seems a bit harsh even for your high, somewhatTalibanesque, standards.

--
Roger Hayter

Brian Reay

2017-09-23 17:13:52 UTC

Post by Roger Hayter
snip

Post by Jim GM4DHJ ...
I had problems in primary but nobody helped ..... I blame band 1 Tv for an
eye squint .....

Even if that were the cause, no one made you watch it. Your comment betrays
your underlying attitude of failing to accept responsibility.

Accepting responsibility for lifestyle decisions at primary school age
seems a bit harsh even for your high, somewhatTalibanesque, standards.

Oh dear, you really do twist things.

BTW, don't the Taliban try to stop women working? A bit like that
selection board...

Jim GM4DHJ ...

2017-09-24 06:51:49 UTC

Post by Roger Hayter
snip

Post by Jim GM4DHJ ...
I had problems in primary but nobody helped ..... I blame band 1 Tv for an
eye squint .....

Even if that were the cause, no one made you watch it. Your comment betrays
your underlying attitude of failing to accept responsibility.

Accepting responsibility for lifestyle decisions at primary school age
seems a bit harsh even for your high, somewhatTalibanesque, standards.
Roger Hayter

Don't worry about it Roger brian is just being brian ........beats me how he
can live with himself .......

Paul Cummins

2017-09-23 17:28:00 UTC

Post by Brian Reay
Even if that were the cause, no one made you watch it. Your comment betrays
your underlying attitude of failing to accept responsibility.

You really are an obnoxious cunt, a waste of a good skin, aren't you.

$FEITY fobid that any of your progeny breed, your seed should be allowed
to die out.

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Brian Reay

2017-09-23 20:11:41 UTC

Post by Paul Cummins

Post by Brian Reay
Even if that were the cause, no one made you watch it. Your comment betrays
your underlying attitude of failing to accept responsibility.

You really are an obnoxious cunt, a waste of a good skin, aren't you.
$FEITY fobid that any of your progeny breed, your seed should be allowed
to die out.

The kind of response I'd expect from you:

https://theukdatabase.com/2015/01/05/paul-cummins-chineham/

http://www.basingstokegazette.co.uk/news/13522778.Harassed_man_unable_to_make_council_tax_repayments/

http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/news/10283785.display/

Paul Cummins

2017-09-25 04:57:00 UTC

So be clear... where do I live?

After all, I don't live in any of Chineham, Falkland Road or
Wolverhampton.

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Wasting Bandwidth since 1981
Free 40 satoshi/min bitcoin mining
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RustyHinge

2017-09-22 11:19:32 UTC

Post by RustyHinge
Well, sweets came off ration around 1953 IIRC, and I didn't scoff a
lot of them, though I *did* have room for a Wagon Wheel quite often -
and then, they really were a lot biggerer. And thickerer.

I wore specs from ared 14 - that's 1954. We had one girl in our year who
had a hearing aid, and I have no reason to know about allergies elseset,
but from 13 I was egg-intolerant.

I still am unable to eat (say) a boiled, fried, scrambled etc egg
without being demonstrably ill.

--
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To err is human. To really foul things up requires a computer and the BOFH.

Brian Reay

2017-09-23 12:54:08 UTC

Post by RustyHinge
Well, sweets came off ration around 1953 IIRC, and I didn't scoff a
lot of them, though I *did* have room for a Wagon Wheel quite often -
and then, they really were a lot biggerer. And thickerer.

I wore specs from ared 14 - that's 1954. We had one girl in our year who
had a hearing aid, and I have no reason to know about allergies elseset,
but from 13 I was egg-intolerant.
I still am unable to eat (say) a boiled, fried, scrambled etc egg
without being demonstrably ill.

That sounds grim. I am fond of eggs, especially for breakfast. Thankfully
the scare stories re their health impact have been turned on their head.

I met someone before with the same problem, he could eat dried egg. I've
never tried it but have been curious about it ever since.

FranK Turner-Smith G3VKI

2017-09-24 13:01:37 UTC

Post by RustyHinge
Well, sweets came off ration around 1953 IIRC, and I didn't scoff a
lot of them, though I *did* have room for a Wagon Wheel quite often -
and then, they really were a lot biggerer. And thickerer.

I wore specs from ared 14 - that's 1954. We had one girl in our year who
had a hearing aid, and I have no reason to know about allergies elseset,
but from 13 I was egg-intolerant.
I still am unable to eat (say) a boiled, fried, scrambled etc egg
without being demonstrably ill.

That sounds grim. I am fond of eggs, especially for breakfast. Thankfully
the scare stories re their health impact have been turned on their head.
I met someone before with the same problem, he could eat dried egg. I've
never tried it but have been curious about it ever since.

My daughter likes cauliflower and likes cheese, but can't stand Cauliflower
Cheese.

--
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.
73 de Frank Turner-Smith G3VKI - mine's a pint.
.
http://turner-smith.uk

Brian Reay

2017-09-24 14:08:14 UTC

Post by FranK Turner-Smith G3VKI

Post by RustyHinge
Well, sweets came off ration around 1953 IIRC, and I didn't scoff a
lot of them, though I *did* have room for a Wagon Wheel quite often -
and then, they really were a lot biggerer. And thickerer.

I wore specs from ared 14 - that's 1954. We had one girl in our year who
had a hearing aid, and I have no reason to know about allergies elseset,
but from 13 I was egg-intolerant.
I still am unable to eat (say) a boiled, fried, scrambled etc egg
without being demonstrably ill.

That sounds grim. I am fond of eggs, especially for breakfast. Thankfully
the scare stories re their health impact have been turned on their head.
I met someone before with the same problem, he could eat dried egg. I've
never tried it but have been curious about it ever since.

My daughter likes cauliflower and likes cheese, but can't stand
Cauliflower Cheese.

I can understand that- I prefer cauliflower raw (the same for broccoli).
Try them, most people cringe when I mention it but they are great raw.

Jimbo

2017-08-25 15:19:11 UTC

Post by Guy G4DWV 4X1LT
On Mon, 21 Aug 2017 18:58:19 +0100, just as I was about to take a

On the NHS, plastic dentures are supplied unless there is a clinical
need for something more expensive. What the patient wants does not
come into it. "False teeth made from metal" means the base not the
teeth themselves, but it is possible to do that.
The denture base and the teeth themselves are made from the same
material, polymethylmethacrylate, aka Perspex. The teeth themselves
are the biggest export of Liechtenstein.
The other material from which the teeth themselves are made is
porcelain, very expensive and not available on the NHS. There is never
a clinical need for these.
The base of the denture (for full dentures) or connectors (partial
dentures) can be made of metal. The big advantage is strength so they
can be made smaller and more comfortable. The metal used is a
chrome/cobalt alloy.
The bill is in the post ;-).

Fortunately, all things being equal, I should escape the need for false
teeth but the technology is still interesting.

I could do with an implant or two, but pushing 80 as I am, it probably
isn't cost-effective.

in my case I blame sweets coming off ration my older brother by five years
was skiny and good teeth ........

Well, sweets came off ration around 1953 IIRC, and I didn't scoff a lot of
them, though I *did* have room for a Wagon Wheel quite often - and then,
they really were a lot biggerer. And thickerer.

I still love wagon wheels .....

Jimbo

2017-08-25 17:46:56 UTC

Post by Guy G4DWV 4X1LT
On Mon, 21 Aug 2017 18:58:19 +0100, just as I was about to take a

On the NHS, plastic dentures are supplied unless there is a clinical
need for something more expensive. What the patient wants does not
come into it. "False teeth made from metal" means the base not the
teeth themselves, but it is possible to do that.
The denture base and the teeth themselves are made from the same
material, polymethylmethacrylate, aka Perspex. The teeth themselves
are the biggest export of Liechtenstein.
The other material from which the teeth themselves are made is
porcelain, very expensive and not available on the NHS. There is never
a clinical need for these.
The base of the denture (for full dentures) or connectors (partial
dentures) can be made of metal. The big advantage is strength so they
can be made smaller and more comfortable. The metal used is a
chrome/cobalt alloy.
The bill is in the post ;-).

Fortunately, all things being equal, I should escape the need for false
teeth but the technology is still interesting.

I could do with an implant or two, but pushing 80 as I am, it probably
isn't cost-effective.

in my case I blame sweets coming off ration my older brother by five years
was skiny and good teeth ........

Well, sweets came off ration around 1953 IIRC, and I didn't scoff a lot
of them, though I *did* have room for a Wagon Wheel quite often - and
then, they really were a lot biggerer. And thickerer.

I still love wagon wheels .....

...and five boys.....not all at the same time you understand

RustyHinge

2017-08-23 10:31:02 UTC

Post by Guy G4DWV 4X1LT
On Mon, 14 Aug 2017 17:33:23 +0100, just as I was about to take a

Post by Brian Reay
Someone told me they were
originally designed for cleaning false teeth

No chance. The best stuff on the market for cleaning dentures, even
metal ones* is Dentural. I have been recommending it for over 35 years
and all my patients have found it fantastic.
*The instructions say NOT to use with metal dentures, but if the
instructions are followed there will not be any problem.
I also advised the use of kettle descaler for removing hard deposits.
Works a treat. Naturally have to be rinsed very well after using it.

I dunno - doesn't Coke contain phosphoric acid?

D&RFC

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Guy G4DWV 4X1LT

2017-08-23 16:44:18 UTC

On Wed, 23 Aug 2017 11:31:02 +0100, just as I was about to take a

Post by RustyHinge
I dunno - doesn't Coke contain phosphoric acid?

Yes, but it is poor at dissolving calcium as calcium phosphate is not
soluble. If it were, our skeletons would dissolve inside us.

--
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RustyHinge

2017-08-25 10:31:30 UTC

Post by Guy G4DWV 4X1LT
On Wed, 23 Aug 2017 11:31:02 +0100, just as I was about to take a

Post by RustyHinge
I dunno - doesn't Coke contain phosphoric acid?

Yes, but it is poor at dissolving calcium as calcium phosphate is not
soluble. If it were, our skeletons would dissolve inside us.

Some people's backbones excepted?

--
Rusty Hinge
To err is human. To really foul things up requires a computer and the BOFH.

RustyHinge

2017-08-23 10:28:25 UTC