RMCR on strike?

[Bob Harper]

No new posts today. What's up? Surely at least something about Yuja
Wang's heels :)

Bob Harper

[Frank Berger]

Post by Bob Harper
No new posts today. What's up? Surely at least something
about Yuja Wang's heels :)
Bob Harper

If you hadn't posted this at 11:26, there would have been no
posts after 2:36.* Surely a record for RMCR?

*Unless there was a post from someone I've killfiled that I
didn't see.

[Bob Harper]

Post by Bob Harper
No new posts today. What's up? Surely at least something about Yuja
Wang's heels :)
Bob Harper

If you hadn't posted this at 11:26, there would have been no posts after
2:36.* Surely a record for RMCR?
*Unless there was a post from someone I've killfiled that I didn't see.

Must be net neutrality :)

Bob Harper

[Oscar]

I'm in St. Louis for a funeral, Bob (maternal grandfather). However, I am currently watching Blomstedt in Leipzig on Blu-ray: Beethoven 9 recorded live December 31, 2016. Ive watched this about 5 or 6 times now. Just what one wants from this conductor, this orchestra, the work. No frills or funny business. Lean textures, where applicable, without anything in the way of emaciated string tone; full-fledged, robust timps and tuttis; a grand sense of occasion (hey, it's New Year's Eve!); traditional, non-controversial tempos; and maybe most thrilling, organic shifts of dynamics and tempos that seem to arise from right where they were supposed to come from, i.e. preorcained. It's a solid releasw, the entire cycle coming soon on CD.

[Bob Harper]

Post by Oscar
I'm in St. Louis for a funeral, Bob (maternal grandfather). However, I am currently watching Blomstedt in Leipzig on Blu-ray: Beethoven 9 recorded live December 31, 2016. Ive watched this about 5 or 6 times now. Just what one wants from this conductor, this orchestra, the work. No frills or funny business. Lean textures, where applicable, without anything in the way of emaciated string tone; full-fledged, robust timps and tuttis; a grand sense of occasion (hey, it's New Year's Eve!); traditional, non-controversial tempos; and maybe most thrilling, organic shifts of dynamics and tempos that seem to arise from right where they were supposed to come from, i.e. preorcained. It's a solid releasw, the entire cycle coming soon on CD.

I had seen that announced. His old cycle with the GOL is pretty good,
though now 40 years old (!) Blomstedt's the real deal, and has been for
a long time.

May your grandfather rest in peace, Oscar, and comfort to you and yours.

Bob Harper

[Andy Evans]

We seem to be generally short of women and young people. Young people I can understand, but there are huge numbers of women in classical music. Seems they do other things than post of forums like this......

[Herman]

Post by Andy Evans
We seem to be generally short of women and young people. Young people I can understand, but there are huge numbers of women in classical music. Seems they do other things than post of forums like this......

Let's see... Why don't you check some of the comments on Yuja Wang, or pretty much any other youngish female performer, and perhaps you'll understand why no woman feels the urge to post here.

[AB]

Post by Herman

Post by Andy Evans
We seem to be generally short of women and young people. Young people I can understand, but there are huge numbers of women in classical music. Seems they do other things than post of forums like this......

Let's see... Why don't you check some of the comments on Yuja Wang, or pretty much any other youngish female performer, and perhaps you'll understand why no woman feels the urge to post here.

come on Herman, cut the nonsense..... the criticisms of Wang are perfectly legitimate, not sexist. Nobody had a bad word for deLa Roccha, Haskil, and more.

AB

[Frank Berger]

Post by AB

Post by Herman

Post by Andy Evans
We seem to be generally short of women and young people. Young people I can understand, but there are huge numbers of women in classical music. Seems they do other things than post of forums like this......

Let's see... Why don't you check some of the comments on Yuja Wang, or pretty much any other youngish female performer, and perhaps you'll understand why no woman feels the urge to post here.

come on Herman, cut the nonsense..... the criticisms of Wang are perfectly legitimate, not sexist. Nobody had a bad word for deLa Roccha, Haskil, and more.
AB

Lets list women we remember participating in RMCR?

1.Andrys Basten

I'm done.

[Bozo]

Post by Frank Berger
Lets list women we remember participating in RMCR?

laraine6 is a welcome poster here.

[laraine]

Post by Bozo

Post by Frank Berger
Lets list women we remember participating in RMCR?

laraine6 is a welcome poster here.

Some are probably on facebook or yahoo.
I've noticed Andrys on Piano Forums.

I would worry more about the young people,
who will have to learn about classical on
their own, I suppose.

C.

[O]

Post by laraine

Post by Bozo

Post by Frank Berger
Lets list women we remember participating in RMCR?

laraine6 is a welcome poster here.

Some are probably on facebook or yahoo.
I've noticed Andrys on Piano Forums.
I would worry more about the young people,
who will have to learn about classical on
their own, I suppose.

...and there may be more who just haven't identified themselves as
being female. I don't know the point, really. On the internet, you
can be anyone (or any gender) you want. A la Alan Watkins. Our common
bond is supposed to be that of classical music recordings -- any
delineation by gender would seem to defeat that purpose. Lot of women
like classical music, and many of them also have opinions about things
like Yuja's fashions.

I think what keeps many people away was the bitter and vulgar attacks
among the people who used to be here. We lost a lot of good people
during that era.

-Owen

[g***@gmail.com]

Post by O

Post by laraine

Post by Bozo

Post by Frank Berger
Lets list women we remember participating in RMCR?

laraine6 is a welcome poster here.

Some are probably on facebook or yahoo.
I've noticed Andrys on Piano Forums.
I would worry more about the young people,
who will have to learn about classical on
their own, I suppose.

...and there may be more who just haven't identified themselves as
being female. I don't know the point, really. On the internet, you
can be anyone (or any gender) you want. A la Alan Watkins. Our common
bond is supposed to be that of classical music recordings -- any
delineation by gender would seem to defeat that purpose. Lot of women
like classical music, and many of them also have opinions about things
like Yuja's fashions.
I think what keeps many people away was the bitter and vulgar attacks
among the people who used to be here. We lost a lot of good people
during that era.
-Owen

Hamlet only had to deal with slings and arrows.

I should have such complaints.

[YM ​יוֹשִׁיוּכִּי]

Post by O

Post by laraine
I would worry more about the young people,
who will have to learn about classical on
their own, I suppose.

I think what keeps many people away was the bitter and vulgar attacks
among the people who used to be here. We lost a lot of good people
during that era.

Don't throw your hypocrisy. People stop writing when he wrote enough truth (pl. if you like it.)

YM

[m***@gmail.com]

Post by YM ​יוֹשִׁיוּכִּי

Post by O

Post by laraine
I would worry more about the young people,
who will have to learn about classical on
their own, I suppose.

I think what keeps many people away was the bitter and vulgar attacks
among the people who used to be here. We lost a lot of good people
during that era.

Don't throw your hypocrisy. People stop writing when he wrote enough truth (pl. if you like it.)
YM

Didn't a lot of interesting and knowledgeable people get fed up and leave due to Deacon - it just wasn't worth the effort

[YM ​יוֹשִׁיוּכִּי]

Post by m***@gmail.com

Post by YM ​יוֹשִׁיוּכִּי

Post by O

Post by laraine
I would worry more about the young people,
who will have to learn about classical on
their own, I suppose.

I think what keeps many people away was the bitter and vulgar attacks
among the people who used to be here. We lost a lot of good people
during that era.

Don't throw your hypocrisy. People stop writing when he wrote enough truth (pl. if you like it.)
YM

Didn't a lot of interesting and knowledgeable people get fed up and leave due to Deacon - it just wasn't worth the effort

Such can never be counted as efforts but immoral pleasures.

[m***@gmail.com]

Post by YM ​יוֹשִׁיוּכִּי

Post by m***@gmail.com

Post by YM ​יוֹשִׁיוּכִּי

Post by O

Post by laraine
I would worry more about the young people,
who will have to learn about classical on
their own, I suppose.

I think what keeps many people away was the bitter and vulgar attacks
among the people who used to be here. We lost a lot of good people
during that era.

Don't throw your hypocrisy. People stop writing when he wrote enough truth (pl. if you like it.)
YM

Didn't a lot of interesting and knowledgeable people get fed up and leave due to Deacon - it just wasn't worth the effort

Such can never be counted as efforts but immoral pleasures.

Really - -I would think many of the informative and helpful postings here are the result of both time and effort.

[dk]

Post by m***@gmail.com

Post by YM ​יוֹשִׁיוּכִּי

Post by O

Post by laraine
I would worry more about the young people,
who will have to learn about classical on
their own, I suppose.

I think what keeps many people away was the bitter and vulgar attacks
among the people who used to be here. We lost a lot of good people
during that era.

Don't throw your hypocrisy. People stop writing when he wrote enough truth (pl. if you like it.)
YM

Didn't a lot of interesting and knowledgeable people get fed up and leave due to Deacon - it just wasn't worth the effort

At least no one is accusing me! ;-)

dk

[graham]

Post by m***@gmail.com

Post by YM ​יוֹשִׁיוּכִּי

Post by O

Post by laraine
I would worry more about the young people,
who will have to learn about classical on
their own, I suppose.

I think what keeps many people away was the bitter and vulgar attacks
among the people who used to be here. We lost a lot of good people
during that era.

Don't throw your hypocrisy. People stop writing when he wrote enough truth (pl. if you like it.)
YM

Didn't a lot of interesting and knowledgeable people get fed up and leave due to Deacon - it just wasn't worth the effort

Only some particularly thin-skinned people. His acerbic nature didn't
bother me and I'd welcome his return.

[AB]

Post by graham

Post by m***@gmail.com

Post by YM ​יוֹשִׁיוּכִּי

Post by O

Post by laraine
I would worry more about the young people,
who will have to learn about classical on
their own, I suppose.

I think what keeps many people away was the bitter and vulgar attacks
among the people who used to be here. We lost a lot of good people
during that era.

Don't throw your hypocrisy. People stop writing when he wrote enough truth (pl. if you like it.)
YM

Didn't a lot of interesting and knowledgeable people get fed up and leave due to Deacon - it just wasn't worth the effort

Only some particularly thin-skinned people. His acerbic nature didn't
bother me and I'd welcome his return.

let him stay where he is. a pompous ass who did not always know what he was talking about.

AB

[h***@btinternet.com]

Re women, what happened to Lena?

[Ricardo Jimenez]

Post by h***@btinternet.com
Re women, what happened to Lena?

Who was the lady pianist who wrote a memorable take down analysis of
Schubert's D960? Whether you agreed or not, she certainly knew what
she was talking about.

[Andy Evans]

They say when the boat is sinking, women and children get out first.

I like Jaco Pastorius's version... "Women and rhythm section first"

[dk]

Post by Andy Evans
They say when the boat is sinking, women and children get out first.
I like Jaco Pastorius's version... "Women and rhythm section first"

Cats first. No exceptions.

dk

[HT]

Post by dk
Cats first. No exceptions.

If they are no ornaments but real cats, they take of that themselves. <g>

Henk

[HT]

Post by HT

Post by dk
Cats first. No exceptions.

If they are no ornaments but real cats, they take of that themselves. <g>

TAKE CARE

[YM ​יוֹשִׁיוּכִּי]

Post by HT

Post by HT

Post by dk
Cats first. No exceptions.

If they are no ornaments but real cats, they take of that themselves. <g>

TAKE CARE

Thanks!

[dk]

Post by HT

Post by dk
Cats first. No exceptions.

If they are no ornaments but real cats,
they take of that themselves. <g>

Not really. You'd be surprised how easily
cats can panic and freeze. Cats are gentle,
sensitive souls that can be overwhelmed by
sudden events just as much as people can.

dk

[HT]

Post by dk
Cats are gentle,
sensitive souls

They certainly can give one that impression - if they set their minds to it ...

Henk

[YM ​יוֹשִׁיוּכִּי]

Post by HT

Post by dk
Cats are gentle,
sensitive souls

They certainly can give one that impression - if they set their minds to it ...
Henk

Are you among them; or, are you happen to be human?

YM

[YM ​יוֹשִׁיוּכִּי]

Post by YM ​יוֹשִׁיוּכִּי

Post by HT

Post by dk
Cats are gentle,
sensitive souls

They certainly can give one that impression - if they set their minds to it ...
Henk

Are you among them; or, are you happen to be human?
YM

I only occasionally enjoyed talking with you or others because of agents' humour which
sense agent like Matthew B. Tepper or Tom Deacon totally lacks. Lorraine (simple agent)
or Lena (Grimaldi) to follow.
Do I need to add some list of extra names starting from, for example, david7gable for his Götterdämmerung?

YM

[HT]

Post by YM ​יוֹשִׁיוּכִּי
Do I need to add some list of extra names starting from, for example, david7gable for his Götterdämmerung?

Gotterdämmerung? I his posts about modern music.

Henk

[HT]

Post by YM ​יוֹשִׁיוּכִּי
Are you among them; or, are you happen to be human?

Cats have more important things to do than posting here.

Henk

[dk]

Post by HT

Post by YM ​יוֹשִׁיוּכִּי
Are you among them; or, are you happen to be human?

Cats have more important things to do than posting here.

You really don't understand cats.
They have nothing important to do.

dk

[HT]

Post by dk
You really don't understand cats.
They have nothing important to do.

Are you sure that your cats are real cats and not just the feline equivalent of a lap dog? Don't they defend their territory, chase mice, birds, frogs, insects? Don't they follow you every spare moment they have in case you might forget them?

Henk

[dk]

Post by HT

Post by dk
You really don't understand cats.
They have nothing important to do.

Are you sure that your cats are real cats and
not just the feline equivalent of a lap dog?

There is no such thing as a "feline equivalent
of a lap dog".

Post by HT
Don't they defend their territory, chase mice,
birds, frogs, insects?

Of course they do -- when they run out of tuna.

Post by HT
Don't they follow you every spare moment they
have in case you might forget them?

Not at all. Dogs follow. Cats have followers.

Cats and Audis "never follow"!

dk

[HT]

Post by dk
Cats and Audis "never follow"!

An Audi man? They once were great cars, when they were stil Austrian.

Henk

[HT]

Post by HT

Post by dk
Cats and Audis "never follow"!

An Audi man? They once were great cars, when they were stil Austrian.
Henk

AUSTRIAN? Nonsense! I drove one in Austria.

Henk

[Frank Berger]

Post by HT

Post by dk
Cats and Audis "never follow"!

An Audi man? They once were great cars, when they were stil Austrian.
Henk

I had a 1973 Audi 100LS. A truly great car when it wasn't
broken. Problem was, it was always broken. Fan motor
caught fire, computer, emissions control system. I drove
into a Audi service dept (Santa Monica Blvd in West LA) with
bilious black smoke pouring from under the hood. The
service guy asked me if I had an appointment. I said no, if
I had known my car was going to catch fire I would have made
one, now would you please put out the fire. True story.
The week before the hood wouldn't open. When they fixed it
they tried to charge me for the repair. I said the car was
two weeks old it should be covered under the warranty. They
said it wasn't a "repair" it was an "adjustment" and
therefore not covered. I blew my stack and started
screaming that the f*ckng hood wouldn't open so it was
f*cking broken and I wasn't paying. He gave in.

[dk]

Post by Frank Berger

Post by HT

Post by dk
Cats and Audis "never follow"!

An Audi man? They once were great cars, when they were stil Austrian.
Henk

I had a 1973 Audi 100LS. A truly great car when it wasn't
broken. Problem was, it was always broken. Fan motor
caught fire, computer, emissions control system. I drove
into a Audi service dept (Santa Monica Blvd in West LA) with
bilious black smoke pouring from under the hood. The
service guy asked me if I had an appointment. I said no, if
I had known my car was going to catch fire I would have made
one, now would you please put out the fire. True story.
The week before the hood wouldn't open. When they fixed it
they tried to charge me for the repair. I said the car was
two weeks old it should be covered under the warranty. They
said it wasn't a "repair" it was an "adjustment" and
therefore not covered. I blew my stack and started
screaming that the f*ckng hood wouldn't open so it was
f*cking broken and I wasn't paying. He gave in.

That was a very long time ago.
The B4 S4 and RS4 (2000-2001)
are unbreakable in the right
hands. They are very reliable
if maintained by the book.

dk

[dk]

Post by dk

Post by Frank Berger
I had a 1973 Audi 100LS. A truly great car when it wasn't
broken. Problem was, it was always broken. Fan motor
caught fire, computer, emissions control system. I drove
into a Audi service dept (Santa Monica Blvd in West LA) with
bilious black smoke pouring from under the hood. The
service guy asked me if I had an appointment. I said no, if
I had known my car was going to catch fire I would have made
one, now would you please put out the fire. True story.
The week before the hood wouldn't open. When they fixed it
they tried to charge me for the repair. I said the car was
two weeks old it should be covered under the warranty. They
said it wasn't a "repair" it was an "adjustment" and
therefore not covered. I blew my stack and started
screaming that the f*ckng hood wouldn't open so it was
f*cking broken and I wasn't paying. He gave in.

That was a very long time ago.
The B4 S4 and RS4 (2000-2001)
are unbreakable in the right
hands. They are very reliable
if maintained by the book.

Synthetic oil every 5k miles: 10w-60 Lubro Moly in
summer, 0w-50 Mobil One in winter. Transmission and
brake service every 20k miles. New spark plugs, coils
and timing belts every 50k miles. Runs like new at
more than 300k miles.

dk

[Herman]

Post by dk
That was a very long time ago.

You forget that YMMV does not apply at RMCR.

The RMCR-posters that set the tone (and that's why this weird Audi discussion is apt) assume their experiences are absolute

[YM ​יוֹשִׁיוּכִּי]

Post by Herman

Post by dk
That was a very long time ago.

You forget that YMMV does not apply at RMCR.
The RMCR-posters that set the tone (and that's why this weird Audi discussion is apt) assume their experiences are absolute

They were in fact absolute.

Regards,
YM

[YM ​יוֹשִׁיוּכִּי]

Post by Herman

Post by dk
That was a very long time ago.

You forget that YMMV does not apply at RMCR.
The RMCR-posters that set the tone (and that's why this weird Audi discussion is apt) assume their experiences are absolute

Their experiences were in fact absolute.

Cordially,
YM

[YM ​יוֹשִׁיוּכִּי]

Post by Herman

Post by dk
That was a very long time ago.

You forget that YMMV does not apply at RMCR.
The RMCR-posters that set the tone (and that's why this weird Audi discussion is apt) assume their experiences are absolute

Your experiences are also from very long time ago.
But, you didn't set anything. Actually, you never wrote a single line.

YM

[dk]

Post by Herman

Post by dk
That was a very long time ago.

You forget that YMMV does not apply at RMCR.
The RMCR-posters that set the tone (and that's why
this weird Audi discussion is apt) assume their
experiences are absolute

Depends on what vehicle one drives, and how it
is driven. My passengers always reassure me
their experiences while riding with me are
absolute. ;-)

dk

[Frank Berger]

Post by dk

Post by Herman

Post by dk
That was a very long time ago.

You forget that YMMV does not apply at RMCR.
The RMCR-posters that set the tone (and that's why
this weird Audi discussion is apt) assume their
experiences are absolute

Depends on what vehicle one drives, and how it
is driven. My passengers always reassure me
their experiences while riding with me are
absolute. ;-)
dk

I don't know about anyone else, but all I did was relate my
experience with my particular car. I meant no
generalization about Audis because I don't have such an idea
in my head. The '73, however, was well-known to be
troublesome, especially the emission control system and the
fan motor. In addressing my burning fan motor, the dealer
told me that between '72 and '73 Audi had switched to a
cheaper motor that was causing problems, and they ended up
replacing mine with a '72 motor.

[HT]

Post by Frank Berger

Post by HT

Post by dk
Cats and Audis "never follow"!

An Audi man? They once were great cars, when they were stil Austrian.
Henk

I had a 1973 Audi 100LS. A truly great car when it wasn't
broken. Problem was, it was always broken. Fan motor
caught fire, computer, emissions control system. I drove
into a Audi service dept (Santa Monica Blvd in West LA) with
bilious black smoke pouring from under the hood. The
service guy asked me if I had an appointment. I said no, if
I had known my car was going to catch fire I would have made
one, now would you please put out the fire. True story.
The week before the hood wouldn't open. When they fixed it
they tried to charge me for the repair. I said the car was
two weeks old it should be covered under the warranty. They
said it wasn't a "repair" it was an "adjustment" and
therefore not covered. I blew my stack and started
screaming that the f*ckng hood wouldn't open so it was
f*cking broken and I wasn't paying. He gave in.

Surprised to see a deleted post cited. Audi isn't an Austrian car. My first encounter with an Audi was in Austria in the 1960s and it performed exceptionally well on mountain roads.

Henk

[Frank Berger]

Post by HT

Post by Frank Berger

Post by HT

Post by dk
Cats and Audis "never follow"!

An Audi man? They once were great cars, when they were stil Austrian.
Henk

I had a 1973 Audi 100LS. A truly great car when it wasn't
broken. Problem was, it was always broken. Fan motor
caught fire, computer, emissions control system. I drove
into a Audi service dept (Santa Monica Blvd in West LA) with
bilious black smoke pouring from under the hood. The
service guy asked me if I had an appointment. I said no, if
I had known my car was going to catch fire I would have made
one, now would you please put out the fire. True story.
The week before the hood wouldn't open. When they fixed it
they tried to charge me for the repair. I said the car was
two weeks old it should be covered under the warranty. They
said it wasn't a "repair" it was an "adjustment" and
therefore not covered. I blew my stack and started
screaming that the f*ckng hood wouldn't open so it was
f*cking broken and I wasn't paying. He gave in.

Surprised to see a deleted post cited. Audi isn't an Austrian car. My first encounter with an Audi was in Austria in the 1960s and it performed exceptionally well on mountain roads.
Henk

My '73 conformed to a new set of California emissions
requirements. There was a rat's nest of plastic tubing
under the hood that was mostly absent in a friend's 72.
They drove like different cars. His was responsive, mine
not. Turns out you could bypass the emissions stuff fairly
easily by disconnecting this from that, which I did for a
time, but felt guilty about it or feared arrest or
something. Those plastic tubes had a tendency to form leaks
or to fall off their attachment points. I'm quite prepared
to believe that all Audis before or since were great cars
and that I got the only Nazi service attendant. There was
just bad karma about that car, that's all. The first week
had it something fell or was thrown out of an apartment
building and dented the middle of the roof.

[n***@gmail.com]

Post by Frank Berger

Post by HT

Post by dk
Cats and Audis "never follow"!

An Audi man? They once were great cars, when they were stil Austrian.
Henk

I had a 1973 Audi 100LS. A truly great car when it wasn't
broken. Problem was, it was always broken. Fan motor
caught fire, computer, emissions control system. I drove
into a Audi service dept (Santa Monica Blvd in West LA) with
bilious black smoke pouring from under the hood. The
service guy asked me if I had an appointment. I said no, if
I had known my car was going to catch fire I would have made
one, now would you please put out the fire. True story.
The week before the hood wouldn't open. When they fixed it
they tried to charge me for the repair. I said the car was
two weeks old it should be covered under the warranty. They
said it wasn't a "repair" it was an "adjustment" and
therefore not covered. I blew my stack and started
screaming that the f*ckng hood wouldn't open so it was
f*cking broken and I wasn't paying. He gave in.

In the future, if one can't get the proper attention inside the service department, leave it at the entrance to the show room.

[graham]

Post by dk

Post by HT

Post by dk
You really don't understand cats.
They have nothing important to do.

Are you sure that your cats are real cats and
not just the feline equivalent of a lap dog?

There is no such thing as a "feline equivalent
of a lap dog".

Post by HT
Don't they defend their territory, chase mice,
birds, frogs, insects?

Of course they do -- when they run out of tuna.

Post by HT
Don't they follow you every spare moment they
have in case you might forget them?

Not at all. Dogs follow. Cats have followers.
Cats and Audis "never follow"!
dk

It's a pity that their dealers have their heads stuck up their arses!

[dk]

Post by graham

Post by dk

Post by HT

Post by dk
You really don't understand cats.
They have nothing important to do.

Are you sure that your cats are real cats and
not just the feline equivalent of a lap dog?

There is no such thing as a "feline equivalent
of a lap dog".

Post by HT
Don't they defend their territory, chase mice,
birds, frogs, insects?

Of course they do -- when they run out of tuna.

Post by HT
Don't they follow you every spare moment they
have in case you might forget them?

Not at all. Dogs follow. Cats have followers.
Cats and Audis "never follow"!
dk

It's a pity that their dealers have their heads stuck up their arses!

Not an issue for out of warranty vehicles.

dk

[YM ​יוֹשִׁיוּכִּי]

Post by HT

Post by dk
Cats are gentle,
sensitive souls

They certainly can give one that impression - if they set their minds to it ...
Henk

Or, are you talking about living musicians today? Possibly nope.

[Bozo]

Post by dk
Cats are gentle,
sensitive souls

In which of their 9 lives ?

[YM ​יוֹשִׁיוּכִּי]

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Post by dk
Cats are gentle,
sensitive souls

In which of their 9 lives ?

David.

[Al Eisner]

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Post by YM ​יוֹשִׁיוּכִּי

Post by O

Post by laraine
I would worry more about the young people,
who will have to learn about classical on
their own, I suppose.

I think what keeps many people away was the bitter and vulgar attacks
among the people who used to be here. We lost a lot of good people
during that era.

Don't throw your hypocrisy. People stop writing when he wrote enough truth (pl. if you like it.)
YM

Didn't a lot of interesting and knowledgeable people get fed up and leave due to Deacon - it just wasn't worth the effort

Only some particularly thin-skinned people. His acerbic nature didn't
bother me and I'd welcome his return.

let him stay where he is. a pompous ass who did not always know what he was talking about.
AB

I hope you're not setting an rmcr standard that participants must
ALWAYS know what they are talking about. Most (perhaps all) of us
would have to leave. :)

[AB]

Post by Al Eisner

Post by AB

Post by graham

Post by m***@gmail.com

Post by YM ​יוֹשִׁיוּכִּי

Post by O

Post by laraine
I would worry more about the young people,
who will have to learn about classical on
their own, I suppose.

I think what keeps many people away was the bitter and vulgar attacks
among the people who used to be here. We lost a lot of good people
during that era.

Don't throw your hypocrisy. People stop writing when he wrote enough truth (pl. if you like it.)
YM

Didn't a lot of interesting and knowledgeable people get fed up and leave due to Deacon - it just wasn't worth the effort

Only some particularly thin-skinned people. His acerbic nature didn't
bother me and I'd welcome his return.

let him stay where he is. a pompous ass who did not always know what he was talking about.
AB

I hope you're not setting an rmcr standard that participants must
ALWAYS know what they are talking about. Most (perhaps all) of us
would have to leave. :)
--
Al Eisner

most of us demonstrate our ignorance with dignity and humor, TD displayed neither trait:-)

AB

[Herman]

It isn't ignorance of any kind that's keeping young participants and women out.

It's the intense rancor and all those decades-old feuds that make RMCR a really unattractive place to a lot of people. Looking in from the outside it's like the kind of bar where all the patrons look like they've been sitting at the bar for twenty years without ever seeing daylight.

How many years ago did Deacon decamp? And you're still talking with an intensity as if his presence is still hurting you in some weird way.

And then there's the one-upmanship. Of course Deacon, like everybody else, had pretty significant blind spots, but no matter how you look at his taste in piano music, he was a music professional. Pretty much all participants who are into music professionally have been driven out by know-it-all armchair generals.

[YM ​יוֹשִׁיוּכִּי]

Post by Herman
It isn't ignorance of any kind that's keeping young participants and women out.
It's the intense rancor and all those decades-old feuds that make RMCR a really unattractive place to a lot of people. Looking in from the outside it's like the kind of bar where all the patrons look like they've been sitting at the bar for twenty years without ever seeing daylight.
How many years ago did Deacon decamp? And you're still talking with an intensity as if his presence is still hurting you in some weird way.
And then there's the one-upmanship. Of course Deacon, like everybody else, had pretty significant blind spots, but no matter how you look at his taste in piano music, he was a music professional. Pretty much all participants who are into music professionally have been driven out by know-it-all armchair generals.

Your political mishaps recorded.

[Bozo]

Looking in from the outside it's like the kind of bar where all the patrons look like they've been sitting at the >bar for twenty years without ever seeing daylight.

" If I could live my life over again, I'd live it over a bar."

W.C.Fields

[AB]

Post by Herman
It isn't ignorance of any kind that's keeping young participants and women out.
It's the intense rancor and all those decades-old feuds that make RMCR a really unattractive place to a lot of people. Looking in from the outside it's like the kind of bar where all the patrons look like they've been sitting at the bar for twenty years without ever seeing daylight.
How many years ago did Deacon decamp? And you're still talking with an intensity as if his presence is still hurting you in some weird way.
And then there's the one-upmanship. Of course Deacon, like everybody else, had pretty significant blind spots, but no matter how you look at his taste in piano music, he was a music professional. Pretty much all participants who are into music professionally have been driven out by know-it-all armchair generals.

at least Trump knows what to do with generals:-)

Deacon never hurt me, just a super, harmless racist irritant.

AB

[graham]

Post by Herman
It isn't ignorance of any kind that's keeping young participants and women out.
It's the intense rancor and all those decades-old feuds that make RMCR a really unattractive place to a lot of people.

It's not just RMCR but Usenet groups as a whole. I'm aware of several
that have collapsed and moved to "invitation only" Facebook groups.

[Steve Emerson]

Post by AB

Post by Herman

Post by Andy Evans
We seem to be generally short of women and young people. Young people I can understand, but there are huge numbers of women in classical music. Seems they do other things than post of forums like this......

Let's see... Why don't you check some of the comments on Yuja Wang, or pretty much any other youngish female performer, and perhaps you'll understand why no woman feels the urge to post here.

come on Herman, cut the nonsense..... the criticisms of Wang are perfectly legitimate, not sexist. Nobody had a bad word for deLa Roccha, Haskil, and more.
AB

Let's list women we remember participating in RMCR?
1.Andrys Basten
I'm done.

That's it? You don't remember Lena? One of the most astute, and also delightful, posters we ever had here. Long ago, Margaret Mikulska, salty and extremely well informed. There was a woman who posted about opera. Piano teacher Geri. Val, aka La Virtuosa. The below-mentioned Larraine. Most left for the same reasons so many others have.

SE.

[HT]

Post by Steve Emerson
That's it? You don't remember Lena? One of the most astute, and also delightful, posters we ever had here. Long ago, Margaret Mikulska, salty and extremely well informed. There was a woman who posted about opera. Piano teacher Geri. Val, aka La Virtuosa. The below-mentioned Larraine. Most left for the same reasons so many others have.

It's a pity Lena and the others left. We're lucky that Lorraine is still among us. Her views are always well informed and often surprising.

Henk

[Frank Berger]

Post by Steve Emerson

Post by AB

Post by Herman

Post by Andy Evans
We seem to be generally short of women and young people. Young people I can understand, but there are huge numbers of women in classical music. Seems they do other things than post of forums like this......

Let's see... Why don't you check some of the comments on Yuja Wang, or pretty much any other youngish female performer, and perhaps you'll understand why no woman feels the urge to post here.

come on Herman, cut the nonsense..... the criticisms of Wang are perfectly legitimate, not sexist. Nobody had a bad word for deLa Roccha, Haskil, and more.
AB

Let's list women we remember participating in RMCR?
1.Andrys Basten
I'm done.

That's it?

Yes, that's all I remembered at the moment.

? You don't remember Lena? One of the most astute, and also
delightful, posters we ever had here. Long ago, Margaret
Mikulska, salty and extremely well informed.

Of course, I remember them.

There was a woman who posted about opera. Piano teacher
Geri. Val, aka La Virtuosa. The below-mentioned Larraine.
Most left for the same reasons so many others have.
Unless someone has explained why they stopped participating,
I will make no assumptions about the reason.

[YM ​יוֹשִׁיוּכִּי]

Post by Frank Berger

Post by Steve Emerson

Post by AB

Post by Herman

Post by Andy Evans
We seem to be generally short of women and young people. Young people I can understand, but there are huge numbers of women in classical music. Seems they do other things than post of forums like this......

Let's see... Why don't you check some of the comments on Yuja Wang, or pretty much any other youngish female performer, and perhaps you'll understand why no woman feels the urge to post here.

come on Herman, cut the nonsense..... the criticisms of Wang are perfectly legitimate, not sexist. Nobody had a bad word for deLa Roccha, Haskil, and more.
AB

Let's list women we remember participating in RMCR?
1.Andrys Basten
I'm done.

That's it?

Yes, that's all I remembered at the moment.
? You don't remember Lena? One of the most astute, and also
delightful, posters we ever had here. Long ago, Margaret
Mikulska, salty and extremely well informed.
Of course, I remember them.

I can only recall of MM as an extremely arrogant woman that
has charged me aggressively or whose lover is Roger Lustig at
Princeton.edu.

Post by Frank Berger
There was a woman who posted about opera. Piano teacher
Geri. Val, aka La Virtuosa. The below-mentioned Larraine.
Most left for the same reasons so many others have.
Unless someone has explained why they stopped participating,
I will make no assumptions about the reason.

Oh, are you supporting serial killers, or a kidnapper?

[YM ​יוֹשִׁיוּכִּי]

Post by Frank Berger
Unless someone has explained why they stopped participating,
I will make no assumptions about the reason.

You must start your sentence with shall not will. Your way is dishonest and insane.

YM

[dk]

Post by Steve Emerson

Post by AB

Post by Herman

Post by Andy Evans
We seem to be generally short of women and young people. Young people I can understand, but there are huge numbers of women in classical music. Seems they do other things than post of forums like this......

Let's see... Why don't you check some of the comments on Yuja Wang, or pretty much any other youngish female performer, and perhaps you'll understand why no woman feels the urge to post here.

come on Herman, cut the nonsense..... the criticisms of Wang are perfectly legitimate, not sexist. Nobody had a bad word for deLa Roccha, Haskil, and more.
AB

Let's list women we remember participating in RMCR?
1.Andrys Basten
I'm done.

That's it? You don't remember Lena? One of the most astute, and also delightful, posters we ever had here. Long ago, Margaret Mikulska, salty and extremely well informed. There was a woman who posted about opera. Piano teacher Geri. Val, aka La Virtuosa. The below-mentioned Larraine. Most left for the same reasons so many others have.
SE.

Gerrie Collins.

dk

[Ricardo Jimenez]

On Sun, 30 Jul 2017 08:56:20 -0700 (PDT), Steve Emerson

Post by Steve Emerson

Let's list women we remember participating in RMCR?
1.Andrys Basten
I'm done.

That's it? You don't remember Lena? One of the most astute, and also delightful, posters we ever had here. Long ago, Margaret Mikulska, salty and extremely well informed. There was a woman who posted about opera. Piano teacher Geri. Val, aka La Virtuosa. The below-mentioned Larraine. Most left for the same reasons so many others have.
SE.

Was it Geri or Val who wrote that critique of Schubert's D960, the
point being that it was a very over rated piece of music? Yes, I miss
all of them but I have no way of knowing it was all for the same
reason. I am sure that many males have also left during the same
period.

[Herman]

Post by Ricardo Jimenez
Was it Geri or Val who wrote that critique of Schubert's D960, the
point being that it was a very over rated piece of music? Yes, I miss
all of them but I have no way of knowing it was all for the same
reason. I am sure that many males have also left during the same
period.

except there were never "many" women on RMCR. The sum total, historically, is five or six.

[YM ​יוֹשִׁיוּכִּי]

Post by Herman

Post by Ricardo Jimenez
Was it Geri or Val who wrote that critique of Schubert's D960, the
point being that it was a very over rated piece of music? Yes, I miss
all of them but I have no way of knowing it was all for the same
reason. I am sure that many males have also left during the same
period.

except there were never "many" women on RMCR. The sum total, historically, is five or six.

Those five or six are lesser grade agents as you certainly deserve a seat.
Only dk and AC are real poster here. Rest are mostly garbage for a long
period of time. See Taboada's "bait" or Farhan on Philips.

YM

[dk]

Post by YM ​יוֹשִׁיוּכִּי
Only dk and AC are real poster here.

I am deeply touched and flattered.

However, don't forget Jaune Tom,
whose POV were certainly unique.

dk

[YM ​יוֹשִׁיוּכִּי]

Post by Ricardo Jimenez
On Sun, 30 Jul 2017 08:56:20 -0700 (PDT), Steve Emerson

Post by Steve Emerson

Let's list women we remember participating in RMCR?
1.Andrys Basten
I'm done.

That's it? You don't remember Lena? One of the most astute, and also delightful, posters we ever had here. Long ago, Margaret Mikulska, salty and extremely well informed. There was a woman who posted about opera. Piano teacher Geri. Val, aka La Virtuosa. The below-mentioned Larraine. Most left for the same reasons so many others have.
SE.

Was it Geri or Val who wrote that critique of Schubert's D960, the
point being that it was a very over rated piece of music? Yes, I miss
all of them but I have no way of knowing it was all for the same
reason. I am sure that many males have also left during the same
period.

Mario Taboada and Chicago Symphony's Mr. T.

[Herman]

Post by AB

Post by Herman

Post by Andy Evans
We seem to be generally short of women and young people. Young people I can understand, but there are huge numbers of women in classical music. Seems they do other things than post of forums like this......

Let's see... Why don't you check some of the comments on Yuja Wang, or pretty much any other youngish female performer, and perhaps you'll understand why no woman feels the urge to post here.

come on Herman, cut the nonsense..... the criticisms of Wang are perfectly legitimate, not sexist. Nobody had a bad word for deLa Roccha, Haskil, and more.
AB

Well, I guess you're right, and there is just no other reason for the zero participation of women on RMCR other than that women don't know their way around a keyboard.

Honestly, this is no criticism, it's just a fact that the majority of RMCR posters are rather crusty old white men who indeed appreciate Alicia de Larrocha, Maria Tipo and Clara Haskil (at least one of whom is still alive), but otherwise tend to talk about women as if they're from another planet.

[graham]

Post by Herman

Post by AB

Post by Herman

Post by Andy Evans
We seem to be generally short of women and young people. Young people I can understand, but there are huge numbers of women in classical music. Seems they do other things than post of forums like this......

Let's see... Why don't you check some of the comments on Yuja Wang, or pretty much any other youngish female performer, and perhaps you'll understand why no woman feels the urge to post here.

come on Herman, cut the nonsense..... the criticisms of Wang are perfectly legitimate, not sexist. Nobody had a bad word for deLa Roccha, Haskil, and more.
AB

Well, I guess you're right, and there is just no other reason for the zero participation of women on RMCR other than that women don't know their way around a keyboard.
Honestly, this is no criticism, it's just a fact that the majority of RMCR posters are rather crusty old white men

Who obsess over getting the latest re-re-re-re-issue of some obscure
recording!

[Herman]

Post by graham
Who obsess over getting the latest re-re-re-re-issue of some obscure
recording!

and whether the packaging arrived intact in the mail!

[a***@gmail.com]

Post by Andy Evans
We seem to be generally short of women and young people. Young people I can understand, but there are huge numbers of women in classical music. Seems they do other things than post of forums like this......

When women post here their posts are often ignored and in some cases dismissed by the elderly sexist males who dominate this group. Perhaps they also are weary of seeing posts about Yuja Wang's legs.

[Frank Berger]

Post by a***@gmail.com

Post by Andy Evans
We seem to be generally short of women and young people. Young people I can understand, but there are huge numbers of women in classical music. Seems they do other things than post of forums like this......

When women post here their posts are often ignored and in some cases dismissed by the elderly sexist males who dominate this group. Perhaps they also are weary of seeing posts about Yuja Wang's legs.

Whole cloth.

[AB]

Post by a***@gmail.com

Post by Andy Evans
We seem to be generally short of women and young people. Young people I can understand, but there are huge numbers of women in classical music. Seems they do other things than post of forums like this......

When women post here their posts are often ignored and in some cases dismissed by the elderly sexist males who dominate this group. Perhaps they also are weary of seeing posts about Yuja Wang's legs.

plenty of 'senior' men who are tired of those silly comments about Wang's legs.

AB

[dk]

Post by a***@gmail.com
When women post here their posts are often ignored and in
some cases dismissed by the elderly sexist males who dominate
this group. Perhaps they also are weary of seeing posts about
Yuja Wang's legs.

There's nothing worth writing about Yuja's legs.
Not even the fact they cannot reach the pedals.

dk

[m***@gmail.com]

It's a solid release, the entire cycle coming soon on CD.

It was released in the US on the 7th.

[m***@gmail.com]

Post by Bob Harper
Must be net neutrality :)
Bob Harper

I should think that "newsgroups" are something most people don't know exist any more. If you want young poeple then you need an easy way for people to participate on a phone. Where is the RMCR app?

[Oscar]

herman meet kettle.

She dressed what a fashionable woman might wear to a cocktail party.
It's certainly less extravagant than what pop music performers wear.

Really? A woman might wear that to a cocktail party, but she would be
very uncomfortable. She would have to stand on those heels all the
time, because it is not possible to sit decently in a dress this
short. Chances would be women would avoid her, and men would leer, and
wonder whether what she was trying to say, dressing like a hooker.

There's yr enlightened, egalitarian, dapper & debonair Central European modern man for ya.

[Herman]

Post by Oscar
herman meet kettle.

She dressed what a fashionable woman might wear to a cocktail party.
It's certainly less extravagant than what pop music performers wear.

Really? A woman might wear that to a cocktail party, but she would be
very uncomfortable. She would have to stand on those heels all the
time, because it is not possible to sit decently in a dress this
short. Chances would be women would avoid her, and men would leer, and
wonder whether what she was trying to say, dressing like a hooker.

There's yr enlightened, egalitarian, dapper & debonair Central European modern man for ya.

What I was trying to say was that a woman doesn't have to dress half-naked in order to get attention. Obviously my point was wasted on you, and the many who write about Wang's garb or lack thereof.

[Herman]

Post by Herman

Post by Oscar
herman meet kettle.

She dressed what a fashionable woman might wear to a cocktail party.
It's certainly less extravagant than what pop music performers wear.

Really? A woman might wear that to a cocktail party, but she would be
very uncomfortable. She would have to stand on those heels all the
time, because it is not possible to sit decently in a dress this
short. Chances would be women would avoid her, and men would leer, and
wonder whether what she was trying to say, dressing like a hooker.

There's yr enlightened, egalitarian, dapper & debonair Central European modern man for ya.

What I was trying to say was that a woman doesn't have to dress half-naked in order to get attention. Obviously my point was wasted on you, and the many who write about Wang's garb or lack thereof.

Also I am not nearly "Central European", but that's yet another point.

[Oscar]

Revisionist history. No, I rather think yr "hooker" diatribe points to a certain fetish of the Oriental variety...but that's yet another story.

Yuja don't love you long time!

[YM ​יוֹשִׁיוּכִּי]

Are you in factum sponsored by the great Carnegie Hall?

[r***@gmail.com]

Post by Herman
Also I am not nearly "Central European", but that's yet another point.

Probably not on the East-West scale, but surely you are on the North-South?

[dk]

Post by Bob Harper
No new posts today. What's up?

Did we unionize? ;-)

dk

[Oscar]

herman, one thing I have never but NEVER done is use swear words in any postings, unless I was quoting someone else. I do not rage and insult and impugn with the coarsest possible language. Such vitriol largely came from the "music professionals" tom whom you refer, ostensibly the likes of Michael Schaffer, Mark Stenroos and Tom Deacon, among others. Why do music professionals get butt-hurt* so easily?

*butt is not a swear word, but an abbreviation for a part of the human anatomy (buttocks).