What's the karma behind being murdered?

[Jahnu]

What's the karma behind being murdered?


The karma behind being murdered, is murder. At some point in your
existence you have murdered someone and as a reaction you are now
being murdered, either by the same person you murdered in your last
life or by someone else.

Actually, God doesn't make ugly people, nor does He make beautiful
people. People make themselves what they are. It's called karma. Or,
like it says in the Bible - as you sow you shall reap, which, BTW,
presupposes reincarnation. If you reap a certain type of body,
nationality, gender, fate etc. at birth, when was that sown except in
a previous life?

Someone might object - do you really mean to say, when a person is
born ugly, this is his or her own fault? How is that fair?
But which is more fair - that I create my own destiny by my own
actions. Or, like it's suggested in atheism - it's all just random,
and I have no say in how I get born? It's simply up to chance. Which
is more fair?

According to the law of karma, your actions in this life - how you
behave and treat other living entities - will determine your next
birth. Either that, or it's up to chance whether I am born into a
nice, caring, wealthy family, with good looks and good education, or I
get born to a junkie mother and an abusive father, whether I am born
as the king of Arabia or I'm born into a family in Syria on the run
from bombings and war. Which is more fair? Think about it.

--but, but if you believe in karma, if you believe that people create
their own destinies, that will make you uncaring and uncompassionate,
you will be indifferent to the plight of others, because when you see
a person suffer, you will know it's his own fault and you will think
that he just gets what he deserves.

Lets examine the logic behind this idea for a minute. So you are
saying, that if I know the reason behind someone's suffering, if I
know that the person created his own suffering by his own actions,
that will make me less compassionate towards him? And if I think it's
all just random chance, how people suffer or enjoy, that will make me
a more compassionate and caring person?

How does this make sense? Say, a doctor tells Mr. Olsen - don't smoke
three packs of cigarettes a day, you will get lung cancer. Then 10
years later Mr. Olsen is diagnosed with cancer. Does, the doctor then
tell Mr. Olsen - I told you so, it's your own fault, now, get out
here. Or does the doctor still feel sorry for the man and try to help
him? What do you think?

Or a mother tells her child, don't stick your hand in the fire, you
will burn yourself, and then the child goes and does just that -
sticks his hand in fire. Then, when the child comes running to his
mother, crying - I burned myself, it hurts. Will the mother be
tender-hearted towards her child and try to comfort him/her? Or will
she say - I told you so, now stop your whining.
Which is it? Think about it.

It makes absolutely no sense to say that knowing the law of karma,
makes a person more uncaring and cold-hearted than if a person
believes it's all just random chance. It's like saying that knowledge
makes a person less compassionate than ignorance.

If you say, that everything is ultimately random chance, what you are
really saying is that you don't know the reason behind it. You are
professing ignorance and trying to make that into some noble
reasoning.

Let me give you a practical example. According to Manu-samhita,
someone who kills a cow will have to take birth as a cow and be killed
in the same way, as many times as there are hairs on the cow's body.
So I know that all the cows being slaughtered in modern society, used
to be people who killed cows. Do I feel less sorry for the cows
standing in line in the slaughter house, waiting to be killed? Nope. I
still feel sorry for them. I'm still a vegetarian because I don't want
to support this senseless mass-murder on animals.

I know for a fact that even though I know the law of karma and how it
works, it doesn't make me feel less sorry for the suffering people of
this world. In fact, knowing that people are ultimately the makers of
their own destiny puts me in a better position to help them, rather
than if I think, - too bad, it's just chance. How can you guard
yourself or others against chance? The answer is, you can't.

Krishna says:

One who is not envious but is a kind friend to all living entities,
who does not think himself a proprietor and is free from false ego,
who is equal in both happiness and distress, who is tolerant, always
satisfied, self-controlled, and engaged in devotional service with
determination, his mind and intelligence fixed on Me - such a devotee
of Mine is very dear to Me. -Bg 12.13-14


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[raven1]

Post by Jahnu
Actually, God doesn't make ugly people, nor does He make beautiful
people. People make themselves what they are. It's called karma. Or,
like it says in the Bible - as you sow you shall reap, which, BTW,
presupposes reincarnation.

And this is another perfect example of you opening your ignorant
piehole about topics you don't understand in the least, Jesper. The
Judeo-Christian Bible explicitly teaches that one life is all you get;
no reincarnation involved (Hebrews 9:27). You really are an idiot.

[Jahnu]

Post by raven1
And this is another perfect example of you opening your ignorant
piehole about topics you don't understand in the least, Jesper. The
Judeo-Christian Bible explicitly teaches that one life is all you get;
no reincarnation involved (Hebrews 9:27). You really are an idiot.

Is the next Kali Yuga going to be filled with the same souls and the
same events?


Same events different souls. Or some souls may have stayed in the
universe since last Kaliyuga. The souls may vary but the events remain
the same. Also, in the next Kaliyuga, Krishna won't descend to display
His pastimes. Imagine how bad Kaliyuga will then be…

The present Kaliyuga is glorious since it is the Kaliyuga out of a
thousand Kaliyugas where God personally descends. God only appears on
this planet every 4,320 billion years, so if a soul does not take the
extremely rare opportunity it is to learn about Krishna in this
Kali-yuga, it may be recycled to the next Kaliyuga, which begins in
427.000 years.

It is said, that if a piece of wood with a hole in it, floats around
in the ocean, and a sea-turtle coming up for air, just happens to
stick its head through that hole, that's how rare it is for a
conditioned soul to meet a bona-fide representative of Krishna.

In the material world time is relative to the observer. There is a
hierarchy of beings in the universe from Brahma, the sages, the
demigods down to the human beings. They all perceive time in past,
present and future. One day of Brahma is 4 billion solar years, but to
Brahma it is perceived as one day.

Brahma's feeling of living 311 trillion of our years is the same as a
human feels living a hundred years. So in that sense Brahma doesn't
feel he lives longer than a human. But in his life-time you die and
get born millions of times.

Same with a fly living for 2 weeks. To the fly it feels like a
life-time. To you it feels like two weeks.

On the eternal plane, however, in the spiritual sky, time is perceived
as one ever expanding, continuous present moment.

In the material world everything is relative. The spiritual world is
absolute, nothing is relative because everything is related to God,
the Absolute. Every atom in the spiritual world is an eternal particle
of bliss and knowledge.

That's where the soul belongs - as an atom in the spiritual world
revolving around Krishna's pleasure.

Krishna says:

By human calculation, a thousand ages taken together form the duration
of Brahma's one day (4.32 billion years). And such also is the
duration of his night. (Bg. 8.17)

At the beginning of Brahma's day, all living entities become manifest
from the unmanifest state, and thereafter, when the night falls, they
are merged into the unmanifest again. (Bg. 8.18)

Again and again, when Brahma's day arrives, all living entities come
into being, and with the arrival of Brahma's night they are helplessly
annihilated. (Bg. 8.19)

Yet there is another unmanifest nature, which is eternal and is
transcendental to this manifested and unmanifested matter. It is
supreme and is never annihilated. When all in this world is
annihilated, that part remains as it is. (Bg. 8.20)

That which the Vedantists describe as unmanifest and infallible, that
which is known as the supreme destination, that place from which,
having attained it, one never returns-that is My supreme abode. (Bg.
8.21)



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Post by Jahnu

Post by raven1
And this is another perfect example of you opening your ignorant
piehole about topics you don't understand in the least, Jesper. The
Judeo-Christian Bible explicitly teaches that one life is all you get;
no reincarnation involved (Hebrews 9:27). You really are an idiot.

Is the next Kali Yuga going to be filled with the same souls and the
same events?

That's not relevant to you misrepresenting the Bible, since, as with
all other topics outside "parroting the Vedas", you know nothing about
it.

(By the way, that's some really powerful woo below. Do you honestly
believe that nonsense, or are you just pulling our collective legs?)

Post by Jahnu
Same events different souls. Or some souls may have stayed in the
universe since last Kaliyuga. The souls may vary but the events remain
the same. Also, in the next Kaliyuga, Krishna won't descend to display
His pastimes. Imagine how bad Kaliyuga will then be…
The present Kaliyuga is glorious since it is the Kaliyuga out of a
thousand Kaliyugas where God personally descends. God only appears on
this planet every 4,320 billion years, so if a soul does not take the
extremely rare opportunity it is to learn about Krishna in this
Kali-yuga, it may be recycled to the next Kaliyuga, which begins in
427.000 years.
It is said, that if a piece of wood with a hole in it, floats around
in the ocean, and a sea-turtle coming up for air, just happens to
stick its head through that hole, that's how rare it is for a
conditioned soul to meet a bona-fide representative of Krishna.
In the material world time is relative to the observer. There is a
hierarchy of beings in the universe from Brahma, the sages, the
demigods down to the human beings. They all perceive time in past,
present and future. One day of Brahma is 4 billion solar years, but to
Brahma it is perceived as one day.
Brahma's feeling of living 311 trillion of our years is the same as a
human feels living a hundred years. So in that sense Brahma doesn't
feel he lives longer than a human. But in his life-time you die and
get born millions of times.
Same with a fly living for 2 weeks. To the fly it feels like a
life-time. To you it feels like two weeks.
On the eternal plane, however, in the spiritual sky, time is perceived
as one ever expanding, continuous present moment.
In the material world everything is relative. The spiritual world is
absolute, nothing is relative because everything is related to God,
the Absolute. Every atom in the spiritual world is an eternal particle
of bliss and knowledge.
That's where the soul belongs - as an atom in the spiritual world
revolving around Krishna's pleasure.
By human calculation, a thousand ages taken together form the duration
of Brahma's one day (4.32 billion years). And such also is the
duration of his night. (Bg. 8.17)
At the beginning of Brahma's day, all living entities become manifest
from the unmanifest state, and thereafter, when the night falls, they
are merged into the unmanifest again. (Bg. 8.18)
Again and again, when Brahma's day arrives, all living entities come
into being, and with the arrival of Brahma's night they are helplessly
annihilated. (Bg. 8.19)
Yet there is another unmanifest nature, which is eternal and is
transcendental to this manifested and unmanifested matter. It is
supreme and is never annihilated. When all in this world is
annihilated, that part remains as it is. (Bg. 8.20)
That which the Vedantists describe as unmanifest and infallible, that
which is known as the supreme destination, that place from which,
having attained it, one never returns-that is My supreme abode. (Bg.
8.21)
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[Jahnu]

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Bhagavad Gita is the only book on the planet in which someone claiming
to be God, describes in detail about Himself, the soul and the world
and how they inter-relate. The philosophy and religion of Krishna’s
teachings is the pinnacle of philosophy and religion. The philosophy
delivered by Krishna in Bhagavad Gita is without a doubt the most
complete, consistent, sophisticated and well thought out explanation
of reality available anywhere in the world at all time.


"The reader is nowhere raised into and sustained in a bigger, purer or
rarer region of thought than in the Bhagavad Gita" - Henry David
Thoreau

Krishna says:

My dear Arjuna, because you are never envious of Me, I shall impart to
you this most confidential knowledge and realization, knowing which
you shall be relieved of the miseries of material existence. (Bg. 9.1)

This knowledge is the king of education, the most secret of all
secrets. It is the purest knowledge, and because it gives direct
perception of the self by realization, it is the perfection of
religion. It is everlasting, and it is joyfully performed. (Bg. 9.2)


The Hare Krishna mission has two goals. One is to fight materialism,
humanism and atheism in all their different aspects. It is obvious,
that when you conduct an ideological war against the most prevalent
reality-view of the times, you are not going to be popular. But if we
have a little historical awareness, we know that the truth-sayers in
any society have always been a scorned and ridiculed minority.

The second part of the Hare Krishna mission is to offer the method by
which to know God as He is. The Vedic process is an elaborate system
of knowledge, but it all begins with the chanting of the name of the
Supreme Lord.

Please note, that this is not a sectarian process. We don't say that
Jehovah, Allah, or Buddha are wrong. We say that one should chant
Their names. In Hare Krishna we chant the Hare Krishna mantra, but we
don't say it is wrong to recite the names of God in other traditions.
The principle is to chant God's name.

The specific name is a detail, It is a universal, recognized process.
In the standard prayer of the Church it says, hallowed be thy name. In
the Bible it urges one to praise the name of the Lord from sun-rise to
sun-set. The rosary has the same amount of beads as the mala, or
prayer-beads used in Hare Krishna - 108. Muslems also use a mala or
prayer beads. So to chant the names of the Lord is the recommended
process for this age in all religions to connect with the Supreme
Lord.

In the Upanishads it is stated that the Hare Krishna mantra is the
only function in this present age of Kali. That is not to be
understood in a sectarian way. It is to be understood, that the only
authorized process of religion or yoga for this age, is to chant the
holy names of the Lord - Krishna, Jehovah, Allah, or whatever. It is
the only process that will work for this age.

hare krsna hare krsna krsna krsna hare hare

hare rama hare rama rama rama hare hare

"The above mantra consisting of 32 words and 16 syllables is the only
thing that can protect against the evil influence of Kali. After
searching through all the Vedas we will find no more sublime method of
religion."

(Kali-santarana Upanishad)


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Post by Jahnu

bitch moan whine

Bhagavad Gita is the only book on the planet in which someone claiming
to be God, describes in detail about Himself, the soul and the world
and how they inter-relate.

Incorrect, but since you don't know anythng about any other world
scriptures, you have no way of knowing that. Idiot!

[Jahnu]

bitch moan whine

I have noticed the Hollywood propaganda machine, how they have made
the family into God. Family is the most important identity in life,
surpassing even nation, religion or gender.

- What can I do, we are blood, is an often heard expression. Or if you
fail to show up for your son's playing the piano on parents' night,
because you had something more important to do, you are considered a
miserable failure and your boy is traumatized for life. Boohoo. You
neighbors scowl at you - there goes the guy, who doesn't care about
his kids because he failed to show up when they performed at school.

Seriously, does anyone actually want to spend the rest of life, or, if
you're a Christian, the rest of eternity, with his or her family? What
if your wife is a nagging witch from hell or your husband an abusive
rascal? What if your kids turn into junkies or prostitutes and end up
hating your guts? And you are going to spend eternity with them?

Is it any wonder the sales of anti-depressants are shooting through
the roof these days? If there is nothing beyond family and nation to
command your deepest attention, care and worry, is it any wonder
people are frustrated like never before?

In contrast to this meaningless, hopeless existence we have the Vedic
Version, as we have received it from Srila Prabhupada. The Vedic
Version is very simple - it says:

All this society-nation-tribe-family-and-friends-related awareness is
total illusion, it is Maya. Maya is Krishna's illusory potency.

When you leave eternity to become the independent enjoyer, you are put
under the spell of Maya in the material world, where you're allowed to
act out all your desires for friendship and love.

In real life Krishna is the only lover - He is the most munificent
master, He is the dearmost child, He is the best friend, or the most
desired lover, He is the most intelligent, the most funny, the most
knowledgeable, the most cunning, in fact, Krishna is the most of
anything - He is the Supreme.

And we are all looking for Krishna. We are all looking for love,
friendship, family and society. We are all looking for that happiness
and satisfaction, that really only Krishna can provide.

The fact is that anything experienced in a material body comes to an
end. All the body's relationships are like a dream and they always,
without exception, end in distress and lamentation. No matter how
loved you are or how much you love someone, you found just the right
person for you, your soulmate - that person always ends up leaving
you. Either he or she dies, or they loose interest and go away.
Material or bodily relationships always end in misery. The only person
who will never leave you, who will never desert you, who will never
disappoint you, who will always be there for you, who will be your
most dearly beloved - that person is Krishna!

Of course, hardly anyone likes to hear this truth, and so they have
made a whole culture out of forgetting it. Our eternal relationship
with God has been replaced with temporary bodily relations that in the
greater scheme of things are fleeting like dreams. We all grow up to
believe that nation and family are our most important relations. We
are cultivated into a tribal mentality from the minute we are born.
Whether we are sophisticated urban dwellers or tribal people in a
jungle - it is the same body-oriented mentality that rules the world.

In reality the soul is meant to relate to Krishna in love and
devotion.

Now, if you're a die-hard materialist, this message is obviously not
for you. If you are satisfied going through life's hum-drum as if
there is nothing else, like it's the all in all, then go right ahead
and go with the flow. Who can stop you?

But if you've ever had the thought - maybe there is more to life than
just being born, an education, a job and then die - then Krishna is a
viable alternative. God and His devotees will supply you with a long
term life-strategy that will leave you happy and satisfied.

Krishna fulfills everyone's desires, so as long as we wish to gratify
a material body, which really is nothing but a sack of meat and bones,
He lets us do that. He will even make us believe there is nothing
beyond our body and mind and their relations. So, if we want release
from material life, we must petition Krishna, but even if we want to
be in illusion, we need God's help. See, that's a funny thing about
life - we can't be in illusion without Krishna putting us there.

Krishna says:

I am in everyone’s heart as the Supersoul. As soon as one desires to
worship some demigod, I make his faith steady so that he can devote
himself to that particular deity. —Bg 7.21

Endowed with such a faith, he endeavors to worship a particular
demigod and obtains his desires. But in actuality these benefits are
bestowed by Me alone. —Bg 7.22

Men of small intelligence worship the demigods, and their fruits are
limited and temporary. Those who worship the demigods go to the
planets of the demigods, but My devotees ultimately reach My supreme
planet. —Bg 7.23

Unintelligent men, who do not know Me perfectly, think that I, the
Supreme Personality of Godhead, Krishna, was impersonal before and
have now assumed this personality. Due to their small knowledge, they
do not know My higher nature, which is imperishable and supreme.— Bg
7.24

I am never manifest to the foolish and unintelligent. For them I am
covered by My internal potency, and therefore they do not know that I
am unborn and infallible. (Bg 7.25)

O Arjuna, as the Supreme Personality of Godhead, I know everything
that has happened in the past, all that is happening in the present,
and all things that are yet to come. I also know all living entities;
but Me no one knows. —Bg 7.26

O scion of Bharata, O conqueror of the foe, all living entities are
born into delusion, bewildered by dualities arisen from desire and
hate. —Bg 7.27

Persons who have acted piously in previous lives and in this life and
whose sinful actions are completely eradicated are freed from the
dualities of delusion, and they engage themselves in My service with
determination.—g 7.28

Intelligent persons who are endeavoring for liberation from old age
and death take refuge in Me in devotional service. They are actually
Brahman because they know everything about transcendental activities.
—Bg 7.29

Those in full consciousness of Me, who know Me, the Supreme Lord, to
be the governing principle of the material manifestation, of the
demigods, and of all methods of sacrifice, can understand and know Me,
the Supreme Personality of Godhead, even at the time of death. —Bg
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Post by Jahnu

bitch moan whine

I have noticed the Hollywood propaganda machine, how they have made
the family into God. Family is the most important identity in life,
surpassing even nation, religion or gender.
- What can I do, we are blood, is an often heard expression. Or if you
fail to show up for your son's playing the piano on parents' night,
because you had something more important to do,

What could possibly be more important?

[raven1]

Post by Jahnu

bitch moan whine

I have noticed the Hollywood propaganda machine, how they have made
the family into God. Family is the most important identity in life,
surpassing even nation, religion or gender.

That doesn't excuse you abandoning yours. Shame on you!

[Jahnu Das]

On Mon, 19 Jun 2017 09:53:56 -0400, raven1

Post by raven1
That doesn't excuse you abandoning yours. Shame on you!

Awww, is it now I break down sobbing and beg forgiveness? :D

Krishna is without a doubt the best version of the Supreme. The Vedic
Version of God is the oldest and most thoroughly documented version of
God available on the planet.

Hare Krishna offers the most original, consistent, comprehensive,
systematic, ingenious, advanced and detailed system of knowledge to
explain the world we live in. Note, I'm not expressing an opinion
here. It is an indisputable fact, verifiable by anyone who takes time
to investigate it with an open mind. There are no philosophical,
existential, social, religious, meta-physical or theological questions
in the world, that are not answered in depth in the Vedic tradition
followed by Hare Krishna.

Jiva Goswami, a Hare Krsna from the 1500s, had this to say about
understanding God - the first thing you have to understand, to know
God - Krishna, is to understand that He is inconceivable.

Krishna is as far away from the materially conditioned mind of modern
man, as a computer is from, say, George Washington. You don't have the
slightest way of understanding God before and unless you accept that
God is inconceivable, that He can act in mysterious, inconceivable
ways. To maintain that every experience - the sum total of reality,
can be expressed entirely in physical, scientific terms is just so
amazingly dumb that it's a great wonder, most educated and so-called
intelligent people buy into it. What it shows is that the modern
propaganda machine is very effective, indeed.

The propaganda-machine conditions and indoctrinates everyone into
thinking that the present Coca-cola civilization is the pinnacle of
all human knowledge and progress. Everyone is brainwashed into the
idea that they are the enjoyers, and that they can be happy by
gratifying their bodily senses. In fact, there are no other goals in
the global culture except getting an education in order to get a job
to make money so you can spend it. There is nothing beyond that. How
hopeless is that?

It may seem OK for the successful people, who due to good karma are
getting their desires fulfilled, but for the vast scores of people who
live in poverty and suffering, how is it beneficial to tell them that
this life is the only chance you'll ever get to have your desires
fulfilled? After that - nothing. It's a depressing world-view that
conditions one to a life in misery and disappointment.

Krishna says:

My dear Arjuna, because you are never envious of Me, I shall impart to
you this most confidential knowledge and realization, knowing which
you shall be relieved of the miseries of material existence. (Bg. 9.1)

This knowledge is the king of education, the most secret of all
secrets. It is the purest knowledge, and because it gives direct
perception of the self by realization, it is the perfection of
religion. It is everlasting, and it is joyfully performed. (Bg. 9.2)

Fools deride Me when I descend in the human form. They do not know My
transcendental nature as the Supreme Lord of all that be. (Bg 9.11)

Those who are thus bewildered are attracted by demonic and atheistic
views. In that deluded condition, their hopes for liberation, their
fruitive activities, and their culture of knowledge are all defeated.
(Bg 9.12 )

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Post by Jahnu Das
On Mon, 19 Jun 2017 09:53:56 -0400, raven1

Post by raven1
That doesn't excuse you abandoning yours. Shame on you!

Awww, is it now I break down sobbing and beg forgiveness? :D
Krishna is without a doubt the best version of the Supreme.

What's your evidence for that assertion?

[raven1]

Post by Jahnu Das
On Mon, 19 Jun 2017 09:53:56 -0400, raven1

Post by raven1
That doesn't excuse you abandoning yours. Shame on you!

Awww, is it now I break down sobbing and beg forgiveness?

You would, if you had the slightest shred of conscience.

[Jahnu]

On Tue, 27 Jun 2017 09:13:51 -0400, raven1

Post by raven1
You would, if you had the slightest shred of conscience.

After a long time living in the material world, you begin to
understand that you don't belong here. As you become older in this
life you realize that without exception everything turns into misery,
sorrow and frustration. Even if you are enjoying to the max, disease,
old age and death always get you in the end.

This would be a depressing realization if there were no positive
alternative. But there is. When you add Krishna to your life and begin
practicing devotion to Him, all this other stuff - family, friends,
society, all your loved ones become as significant as the autum leaves
rattling in the wind, for the security and bliss you discover in
Krishna's service makes everything else pale in comparison.

-- but, but, that's being defeatist and irresponsible, I hear someone
object.

On the contrary, it is defeatist and irresponsible to surrender to
disease, old age and death. To explain it away by saying, there is
nothing you can do about it anyway, when God Himself tells you, you
can get out of the ocean of birth and death - now THAT's defeatist and
irresponsible.

It is defeatist because you surrender to nature's powers, and it is
irresponsible, because the sole prerogative of the human life-form is
for the soul to get out of samsara - the endless cycle of birth and
death. To not take advantage of that rare opportunity is
irresponsible.

--but, but who will take care of the family, if everyone just goes
off, dresses in sheets and chants mantras?

Family? First of all, one doesn't exclude the other. To practice
devotion to Krishna does not mean you can't take care of your family.
Rather, you can take better care, it's just not the ultimate goal in
life anymore. And secondly, everyone in the material world takes care
of their family. Ants, cockroaches, cats and dogs and cows take care
of their families. Family is being taken care of in any life-form. In
the modern culture, it is being hailed as some noble, unassailable,
holy principle - the ultimate goal in life you must stick to, no
matter what. Family is God.

The fact is, though, that if humans are just another lifeform that
popped out of the evolutionary cycle, there is nothing more noble or
exquisite about a mother strolling her infant down 5th Avenue in a
pushchair, than an ant carrying an egg home to its nest.

Therefore Krishna says:

Just try to learn the truth by approaching a spiritual master. Inquire
from him submissively and render service unto him. The self-realized
souls can impart knowledge unto you because they have seen the truth.
(Bg. 4.34)

Having obtained real knowledge from a self-realized soul, you will
never fall again into such illusion, for by this knowledge you will
see that all living beings are but part of the Supreme, or, in other
words, that they are Mine. (Bg.4.35)

Even if you are considered to be the most sinful of all sinners, when
you are situated in the boat of transcendental knowledge you will be
able to cross over the ocean of miseries. (Bg. 4.36)

As a blazing fire turns firewood to ashes, O Arjuna, so does the fire
of knowledge burn to ashes all reactions to material activities. (Bg.
4.37)

In this world, there is nothing so sublime and pure as transcendental
knowledge. Such knowledge is the mature fruit of all mysticism. And
one who has become accomplished in the practice of devotional service
enjoys this knowledge within himself in due course of time. (Bg. 4.38)

A faithful man who is dedicated to transcendental knowledge and who
subdues his senses is eligible to achieve such knowledge, and having
achieved it he quickly attains the supreme spiritual peace. (Bg. 4.39)

But ignorant and faithless persons who doubt the revealed scriptures
do not attain God consciousness; they fall down. For the doubting soul
there is happiness neither in this world nor in the next. (Bg. 4.40)

[raven1]

Post by Jahnu
On Tue, 27 Jun 2017 09:13:51 -0400, raven1

Post by raven1
You would, if you had the slightest shred of conscience.

After a long time living in the material world, you begin to
understand that you don't belong here.

You fucking well don't belong on alt.atheism, yet here you are anyway.

[Jahnu]

bitch moan whine

http://www.discovery.org/id/
Have a look at my art -

http://www.touchtalent.com//artist/118705/jahnu-das

https://www.youtube.com/user/jahnudvip?feature=watch

https://picasaweb.google.com/113672947796865733014/Jahnu

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[raven1]

Post by Jahnu

bitch moan whine

http://www.discovery.org/id/

Did you know that "gullible" isn't in the dictionary, Jesper?

[Jahnu]

bitch moan whine

http://www.discovery.org/id/
Have a look at my art -

http://www.touchtalent.com//artist/118705/jahnu-das

https://www.youtube.com/user/jahnudvip?feature=watch

https://picasaweb.google.com/113672947796865733014/Jahnu

https://photos.google.com/u/1/?hl=en

[Jeanne Douglas]

Post by Jahnu
What's the karma behind being murdered?
The karma behind being murdered, is murder. At some point in your
existence you have murdered someone and as a reaction you are now
being murdered, either by the same person you murdered in your last
life or by someone else.

Look at Jesper blame the victims.

[hypatiab7]

Post by Jeanne Douglas

Post by Jahnu
What's the karma behind being murdered?
The karma behind being murdered, is murder. At some point in your
existence you have murdered someone and as a reaction you are now
being murdered, either by the same person you murdered in your last
life or by someone else.

Look at Jesper blame the victims.

He always blames everyone but himself for everything. He's all noise,
no substance.

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Post by hypatiab7

Post by Jeanne Douglas

Post by Jahnu
What's the karma behind being murdered?
The karma behind being murdered, is murder. At some point in your
existence you have murdered someone and as a reaction you are now
being murdered, either by the same person you murdered in your last
life or by someone else.

Look at Jesper blame the victims.

He always blames everyone but himself for everything. He's all noise,
no substance.

you always blame him for everything