Dear Michael,
Here is the de Ros ancestry of Agnes de Ros, as I currently have
it. Of course, any criticism or added documentation would be welcome.
Cheers,
John
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1 Piers de Ros
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Death: ca 1130[1]
of Gilling, co. Yorks.
steward of the Count of Aumale in his lordship of Holderness,
co. York[1]
'Petrus de Ros', benefactor of St. Peter's, York - gave 2
carucates of land in Barton [Mon. Angl. VI(3):1188,
Num. LXVII[2]; DD 671[3]
cf. CP XI:90[1]
Spouse: Adeline Espec
Death: ca 1130[1]
Father: William Espec
Children: Everard (-<1154)
Robert (-ca1162)
NN
1.1 Robert de Ros
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Death: ca 1162[1]
of Helmsley in Holderness, co. York and Wark, Northumberland
named as son of youngest sister Adeline in charters of Walter
Espec of Helmsley, in founding abbeys of Kirkham (1122) and
Rievaulx (1131) [CP XI:90, and note (d)[1]]
constable, probably of the Count of Aumale, ca 1150
confirmed gifts of uncle Walter Espec to monastery of Rievaulx,
ca. 1153, ' for the souls of his said uncle, his father and
mother, and his brother Evarard. ' [CP XI:91[1]; Rutland MSS.,
IV:75[4]. The charter was witnessed by Henry Murdac, Archbishop
of York 1147-1154, which verifies the approx. date in CP]
cf. CP XI:91[1]
Rutland MSS., IV:75 [E][4]
Spouse: Sibyl de Valognes[5]
Death: aft 1212[1]
Children: Everard (-1183)
Joan, m. Stephen de Meisnill
Walter
1.1.1 Everard de Ros
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Death: 1183[1],[6]
of Helmsley in Holderness, co. York
supporter of King Henry during the Young King's rebellion , 1173[1]
Spouse: Rohese Trussebut[5]
Birth: ca 1151[1]
Death: bef 1197[1]
Father: William Trussebut, of Warter (-ca1176)
Mother: Aubrey de Harcourt (<1135->1185)
Children: Sir Robert (ca1172-<1226)
Piers
1.1.1.1 Sir Robert de Ros
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Death: bef 23 Dec 1226[1]
Birth: ca 1172[1]
of Helmsley in Holderness, co. York and Wark, Northumberland
he m. in 1190, Isabel of Scotland, widow of Robert de Brus, at
Haddington:
' Rex Scottorum dedit filiam suam Ysembel, que fuit uxor Roberti
de Brus, Roberto de Ros apud Haditun. ' [Chronica de Mailros,
p. 99, fol. 24b[7]]
succeeded to the Trussebut inheritance of his mother, 1196
(answered for 500m. as the eldest coheir of Robert Trussebut,
1195- Sanders, p. 56[6])
of the escort of William, King of Scots to court in England,
Nov. 1200 and in 1209
Sheriff of Cumberland, 1213-1215[1]
' Robertus de Ros, ij milites ' - accounted for the service of
2 knights' fees in Northumberland, ca. 1201-1212 [Red Book of
the Exchequer I: 179[8]]
payment received from King John of England, at Carrickfergus,
25 July 1210:
' 477. Prests to knights at Carrickfergus the day of St. James
the Apostle. Robert de Ros, 40 marks; the Earl of Winchester,
50 marks; Earl David, 30 marks, delivered to Bartholomew de
Mortuo mari; David de Hastinges, 4 marks, for John his father;
Eustace de Vescy, 30 marks; Henry son of Earl David, 2 marks
(and many others). ' [Bain I:81[9], cites Prestita, 12 John, m. 5]
subsequently served King John in Ireland, August 1210:
Sean Duffy wrote, re: King John and Baldwin, count of Aumale,
in Ireland:
' Baldwin spent at least part of the summer of 1210 in Ireland.
The praestita roll records payments made to Flemish knights at
Dublin on 28 June and at Greenoge (in the barony of Ratoath,
County Meath) two days later, at Carlingford on 11 July,
Carrickfergus on 27 July, Drogheda on 9 August, and Fore
(in County Westmeath) on 11 August.39 Within a week King
John was back at Dublin, where substantial payments were
again made to the Flemings in his service, including, on
19 August, to the count of Aumale himself . [Rot. liberate,
p. 214. Baldwin's tenants Fulk and Lambert de Oyry and Robert
de Ros received prests at Dublin on 21 August (ibid., p. 225).
The `knights of the earl of Aubemarle' received further payments
at Dublin two days later (ibid., p. 226). All told, at least
thirty-three Flemish knights received prests during the
expedition (Painter, King John, p. 265 n.130).] ' [Duffy[10]]
A similar letter to the following, written
' to Robert de Ros concerning the brother of Walter de Clifford '
[unidentified] a hostage of the King of Scotland placed with Robert
for safekeeping, to be transferred to the King of England's custody,
13 June 1213 :
' 574. Concerning the K. of Scotland's hostages. The K. to S[aher]
earl of
Winchester. Commands him on receipt, immediately to send the K.
by
good and safe messengers, Reginald his own son, and the son of
William
de Veteripont, hostages of the K. of Scotland, who are in his
custody
by the K.'s order; so that they may be with the K. at Portsmouth on
the
vigil of St. John Baptist instant. Beaulieu. ' [Bain I:100-101[9],
cites
Foedera I:113; and Close Roll 15 John, p. 1, m. 4]
Surety for the Magna Carta, 1215;
returned to allegiance to the King, November 1217
Confirmation made by Robert de Ros [II] to Meaux abbey of the
gift in Warter made by Geoffrey Trussebut, his uncle, and of
the land of Arras called Blanchemarle given by Geoffrey Dagon;
also of the gifts of William son of Asketil in Warter, of Robert
son of Osmund, of Walter de Boynton in Arnold, of Richer de
Arnold of the site of the grange there, of Gilbert son of
William de Dalton in Harlthorpe [par. Bubwith], of Osbert
de Frismarais between Beeford and Nunkeeling, and of Simon
Tuschet in Middleton on the Wolds. [1210-26] (Boynton,
citing C.T. Clay, Early Yorkshire Charters, vol. X no. 92)[11]
2nd husband of Isabel 'of Scotland'[1]
Spouse: Isabel of Scotland
Father: William 'the Lion' of Scotland (1143-1214)
Mother: NN Avenel
Marr: 1191, Haddington, Scotland[7],[1]
Children: Sir William (-ca1264)
Robert de Ros, of Wark (-1269)
Peter
Alexander
1.1.1.1.1 Sir William de Ros
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Death: ca 1264[1]
Burial: Kirkham
of Helmsley in Holderness, co. York
heir of his aunt Hilaire on her death (1241), inherited her
share of the Trussebut fee [her share consisted of 3 1/2
knights' fees, including Melton, Copgrave and Stivelingflet
(Stillingfleet), incl. West Cottingwith [Yorks. Inqs. I:10,
IPM of her sister Agatha Trussebut[12]; also VCH East Riding
III:112-120[13]]
on pilgrimage to Santiago del Compostela, 1252[1]
'Will'm de Ros', knight
Arms: ' Gules three water bougets argent ' [ H S London,
Rolls of Arms, Henry III, Aspilogia 2, Society of Antiquaries,
London, 1967 - ca. 1252 or later, B 66 ][14]
Spouse: Lucy 'filia Piers'
Death: aft 1265[5]
Father: Piers fitz Herbert, of Blaen Llyfni (->1235)
Mother: Alice fitz Roger
Children: Sir Robert (-1285)
Sir Piers
Sir William de Ros of Ingmanthorpe (-<1310)
Sir Alexander de Ros of Yolton
Sir Herbert de Ros of Breighton (->1285)
John
Lucy, m. William de Kyme
Alice, m. John Comyn of Badenoch
1.1.1.1.1.1 Sir Robert de Ros
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Death: 17 May 1285[5]
Burial: Kirkham[1]
of Helmsley, co. York and Belvoir, co. Leicester (de jure uxoris)[5]
summoned to Parliament 24 December 1264 by writ, held to have
become Lord Ros (in rebellion); had custody of Prince Edward
at Hereford Castle (the Prince escaped his custody, 18 May 1265).
Surrendered Gloucester to the Prince, 29 June 1265; received full
pardon after Evesham, 14 August 1265[1]
charter of Sir Robert, witnessed by his brothers Sir Peter, Sir
William, Sir Alexander and Sir Herbert [ " Hiis testibus:
Dominis Petro de Ros, Willelmo de Ros, Alexandro de Ros,
Herberto de Ros, militibus et fratribus,..." ] enfeoffing
Thomas de Werke, chaplain, in certain lands in Helmsley,
dated 1264x1285 [Rutland MSS.IV:84, no. (21)[4] ]
record of a plea of novel disseisin dated 7 Edw I (1279)
concerning the manor of 'Levermue', brought by William de
Ros against his brother Robert de Ros of Wark, their cousin
Robert de Ros of Helmsley, and others:
' Jurata viginti et quatuor militum ad convincendum xij'im
juratores assisae novae disseisinae, quae summonita fuit et
capta hic coram Gwychardo de Charrom et Willelmo Norburth',
inter Willelmum de Ros, querentem, et Robertum de Ros de
Hamelak, Robertum filium Roberti de Ros de Werk, et Ricardum
de Rovedon, venit recognitura si iidem Robertus, Robertus, et
Ricardus injuste, etc., disseisiverunt praedictum Willelmum
de libero tenemento suo in Levermue, post primam, etc. ...'
[Assize Roll, Northumberland, 7 Edw I (1279), pp. 239-240[15]]
The plea was continued as noted below:
' Concessum est per justiciarios quod Stephanus le Archer
sequatur pro Willelmo filio Roberti de Ros de Werk, eo quod
minoris aetatis est, versus Robertum filium Roberi de Ros de
Werk et alios in brevi de placito juratae viginti et quatuor
ad convincendum xij'im, etc. ' [Assize Roll, Northumberland,
7 Edw I (1279), p. 300[15]]
' Robertus de Ros, dominus de Beuver.....advocatus prioratus
de Wartria ', confirmed the grants of his predecessors (incl.
the church of St. James) to Warter priory, on St. Michael's
Day, 1279 [Mon.Angl. VI/1:300, Num. VII[2]]
'Robert son filz', knight.
Arms: ' Gules three water bougets argent a label of three
points azure '[ H S London, Rolls of Arms, Henry III,
Aspilogia 2, Society of Antiquaries, London, 1967 - ca.
1252 or later, B 66 ][14]
~ above arms differenced by a label (during his father's lifetime)
IPM of Robert de Ros of Hamelacke, extent made on Tuesday the morrow
of St. Barnabas, 13 Edw. I [12 June 1285; writ dated 4 June 1285]:
- ' Robert de Ros held of the king in chief the manor of Hamelacke
with members, in which is a castle, worth by the year 13s. 4d. ...
- ' In Neuton [West Newton], which is a member of the manor of
Hamelacke, there are twenty-four bovates of land in bondage...
- ' The said Robert held the manor of Husum [Howsham], the
capital messuage of which is worth bythe year 20s. ...
- ' He held a capital messuage at Garton [Garton on the Wolds],
worth 10s.
- ' He held the manor of Lintone [Linton-on-Ouse] of the fee
of Hamelacke, whereof the site is worth by the year 10s. ...
- ' All the aforesaid lands and tenements were held by Robert
de Ros of the king in barony by the service of two knights
fees.
- ' He held at Wartram [Warter] of Trussebut fee of the king
nineteen and a half bovates of land in bondage (at 10s.). ...
- ' The aforesaid tenements he held of the barony of Trussebut;
but by how many knights' fees is not known, because the
greater part of this barony is in the county of Lincoln.
- ' He held also in Holdernes of the king by escheat in the
name of Avelina, formerly heir of Albemarle, at Ros, part
of a manor which is worth by the year 5s. 8d. There are
in demesne eleven bovates and the fourth part of one
bovate (at 10s.), and in bondage sixteen bovates and
three parts (that is, fourths) of one bovate (at 10s.).
Free tenants yield nearly 12s., other seven free tenants
for life 14s. 4d. Nine cottages are worth by the year
13s. 3d.; a meadow, called Tunstalker, 26s. 8d.; a
windmill, 26s. 8d.; a fishery, which [is called] Pidesse
[probably Burton Pidsea], 3s.; and a free court of the
manor, 40s.
- ' These tenements Robert de Ros held formerly of
the Earl of Albemarle, and now of the king by escheat,
by the service of one knight's fee.
- ' The same Robert held of Sir (domino) Herbert de
St. Quintin the town of Ros, part of the aforesaid
chief manor, by knight's service, and it is worth by
the year 40d. There are thirty-two bovates held
of the said Herbert (at 10s.). Nine cottages are
worth yearly 12s. 3d. ' [Yorks. Inqs. II:32-36[12]]
Spouse: Isabel d'Aubigny
Birth: bef 12 Jun 1233[12],[16]
Death: 15 Jun 1301[1]
Father: William d'Aubigny (-1242)
Mother: Isabel (->1284)
Marr: bef 17 May 1244[1]
Children: William (<1255-<1316)
Mary (-<1326)
Robert (-<1311)
John
Nicholas
Isabel
Joan
1.1.1.1.1.1.1 William de Ros
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Death: bef 16 Aug 1316[1]
Birth: bef 27 Jun 1255[1]
Burial: Kirkham
Occ: Lord Ros
of Helmsley, co. York and Belvoir, co. Leicester
summoned to Parliament from 6 Feb 1298/99 to 16 Oct 1315 by
writs directed 'Willelmo de Ros de Hamelak', whereby held to
be 1st Lord Ros of Helmsley[1]
Competitor for the Scottish crown (descent from William the
Lion), 1292
' domini Willielmi de Roos militis et Matildae, consortis suae,
filiae et unicae haeredis Johannis de Vallibus ', consented as
benefactors to the grant of lands in Norfolk to Blakeney priory
before 16 Nov 1296 [Mon. Angl. VI(3):1572[2] ]
fought for King Edward I in Gascony, 1296 [order for the king's
officials not to 'intermeddle' with the corn harvest, ' in
favour of William de Ros of Hamelak, for cos. Lincoln and
Norfolk ' dated at Castleacre, 28 Jan. 1296/7 - CCR IV:8[17]]
' Guillemes de Ros ', knight, serving with the army of King
Edward I in Scotland
fought at the siege of Caerlaverock, July 1300
: his arms are recorded as
' Gules three water bougets argent ' (Caerlaverock Roll
K 28[18])
received grant of Wark, Northumberland following confiscation
of cousin Robert de Ros, Dec 1301[1]
' Willielmus de Ros de Hamelak, et advocatus prioratus de
Wartre ', confirmed the grants of his predecessors (incl.
the church of St. James) to Warter priory (witnessed by Sir
Geoffrey de Hotham, Sir John de Hotham, and others)
[Mon.Angl. VI/1:300, Num. VIII[2]]
Spouse: Maud de Vaux
Birth: bef 1 Nov 1261[19],[20]
Death: bef 1316[1]
Father: Sir John de Vaux (<1231-<1287)
Mother: Sibyl de Longchamps
Marr: bef 1287[5]
Children: William (-1342)
Agnes (-<1328)
John (-1339)
1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1a Agnes de Ros*
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Death: bef 25 Nov 1328[5]
she m. 1stly Pain de Tibetot,
2ndly Thomas de Vere (who d.v.p. 1329)[1]
Spouse: Payn de Tibetot
Death: 24 Jun 1314, Battle of Bannockburn[5]
Birth: bef 25 Jun 1281[5]
Father: Sir Robert de Tibetot (1228-1298)
Mother: Eve de Chaworth (-<1300)
Marr: aft 1 Mar 1296, date of marriage agreement, Bayonne,
Guyenne[1]
Children: John (1313-1367)
Maud
1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1b Agnes de Ros* (See above)
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Spouse: Thomas de Vere [2nd husband]
Death: bef 12 May 1329, d.v.p., s.p.[1]
Father: Robert de Vere (<1259-1331)
Mother: Margaret de Mortimer (<1261-)
Marr: bef 17 Jun 1315[21]
Other Spouses Payn de Tibetot
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Post by m***@btinternet.comPost by John P. RaviliousDear Michael,
� � �There is quite a bit in CP. �At the same time, if you'd let me
know where your de Ros descent ends (or 'daughters out' as the case
may be), I'll see what I have that might be of use. �Most of the lines
I've traced are for Helmsley, Ingmanthorpe and Wark, but there are
other links in my database including as many daughters as I've been
able to identify - thanks largely to the many contributors to SGM over
the years.
� � �Cheers,
� � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � John
Thanks again, John; my line "daughters out" with Agnes, wife of Pain
de Tibetot. �I'd certainly be interested in your details.
Best wishes, Michael