PSG-LIV, TOT-INT [R]

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Two UCL group stages that actually matter, for a change.

15 minutes in:

PSG - LIV 1-0
TOT - INT 0-0

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Two UCL group stages that actually matter, for a change.
PSG - LIV 1-0
TOT - INT 0-0

No Son or Erikssen for Spurs. Dele (inexplicably left out of the UtN Bungs lineup) with an early chance early on. Still mostly a cagey affair, though.

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No Son or Erikssen for Spurs. Dele (inexplicably left out of the UtN Bungs lineup) with an early chance early on. Still mostly a cagey affair, though.

Neymar makes it 2-0. Not a good result for Napoli, who, as things stand, will need to get a result at Anfield.

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No Son or Erikssen for Spurs. Dele (inexplicably left out of the UtN Bungs lineup) with an early chance early on. Still mostly a cagey affair, though.

Neymar makes it 2-0. Not a good result for Napoli, who, as things stand, will need to get a result at Anfield.

Milner pulls one back for Liverpool from the spot, just before HT. A draw in Paris sees both Liverpool and Napoli through.

[ixion martin - GdBx]

On Wednesday, November 28, 2018 at 3:46:55 PM UTC-5,

On Wednesday, November 28, 2018 at 3:18:56 PM UTC-5,

Post by Futbolmetrix
No Son or Erikssen for Spurs. Dele (inexplicably left out
of the UtN Bungs lineup) with an early chance early on.
Still mostly a cagey affair, though.

Neymar makes it 2-0. Not a good result for Napoli, who, as
things stand, will need to get a result at Anfield.

Milner pulls one back for Liverpool from the spot, just
before HT. A draw in Paris sees both Liverpool and Napoli
through.

Fantastic refereeing. Di Maria stupidly tries to tackle and
Mané falls. See that I say "oh dear, penalty, Paris is lucky
the referee didn't see it".

But with the replay, wa can see Mané diving. So I say to myself :
"Waow, what such a good decision !". And, coming back to the
live, I see this $#¤$ of surface referee giving the penalty to
Liverpool. What a joke, he was at the opposite of the business
!

[ixion martin - GdBx]

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I see this $#¤$ of surface referee giving the penalty

But when there's a foul on Neymar in the penalty area, he sees
nothing.
What a joke !

[anders t]

Post by ixion martin - GdBx
Fantastic refereeing. Di Maria stupidly tries to tackle and
Mané falls. See that I say "oh dear, penalty, Paris is lucky
the referee didn't see it".
"Waow, what such a good decision !". And, coming back to the
live, I see this $#¤$ of surface referee giving the penalty to
Liverpool. What a joke, he was at the opposite of the business
!

Yes.
First: Oh, PSG getting away with it!
Then: Beautifully performed dive that eventually fooled the ref(s)!

[Werner Pichler]

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Post by ixion martin - GdBx
Fantastic refereeing. Di Maria stupidly tries to tackle and
Mané falls. See that I say "oh dear, penalty, Paris is lucky
the referee didn't see it".
"Waow, what such a good decision !". And, coming back to the
live, I see this $#¤$ of surface referee giving the penalty to
Liverpool. What a joke, he was at the opposite of the business
!

Yes.
First: Oh, PSG getting away with it!
Then: Beautifully performed dive that eventually fooled the ref(s)!

My initial thought was 'this is the most ill-timed tackle I've seen since I
last played FIFA'.

Ciao,
Werner

[ixion martin - GdBx]

On Thursday, 29 November 2018 09:17:12 UTC+1, anders t

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Post by ixion martin - GdBx
Fantastic refereeing. Di Maria stupidly tries to tackle and
Mané falls. See that I say "oh dear, penalty, Paris is
lucky the referee didn't see it".
But with the replay, wa can see Mané diving. So I say to
myself : "Waow, what such a good decision !". And, coming
back to the live, I see this $#¤$ of surface referee
giving the penalty to Liverpool. What a joke, he was at
the opposite of the business !

Yes.
First: Oh, PSG getting away with it!
Then: Beautifully performed dive that eventually fooled the
ref(s)!

My initial thought was 'this is the most ill-timed tackle
I've seen since I last played FIFA'.

Mine was "this man [Di Maria] is mad !". :)

[Werner Pichler]

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No Son or Erikssen for Spurs. Dele (inexplicably left out of the UtN Bungs lineup) with an
early chance early on. Still mostly a cagey affair, though.

Neymar makes it 2-0. Not a good result for Napoli, who, as things stand, will need to get a
result at Anfield.

Milner pulls one back for Liverpool from the spot, just before HT. A draw in Paris sees both
Liverpool and Napoli through.

Phew, almost would have swapped him for Dele!

Ciao,
Werner

[MH]

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No Son or Erikssen for Spurs. Dele (inexplicably left out of the UtN Bungs lineup) with an early chance early on. Still mostly a cagey affair, though.

Neymar makes it 2-0. Not a good result for Napoli, who, as things stand, will need to get a result at Anfield.

Milner pulls one back for Liverpool from the spot, just before HT. A draw in Paris sees both Liverpool and Napoli through.

?? How. PSG would still only be one point behind Liverpool, with their
last game vs. Red Star to come, and Liverpool perfectly capable of not
winning their home game to Napoli

What you MAY have meant was that a draw in Paris today means that,
assuming Napoli finish today on 9 points, Napoli can afford to lose at
Anfield, which would eliminate PSG regardless of how badly they beat Red
Star. Napoli has the tie breaker vs. PSG (1-1 at home, 2-2 in Paris).

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Post by MH
What you MAY have meant was that a draw in Paris today means that,
assuming Napoli finish today on 9 points, Napoli can afford to lose at
Anfield, which would eliminate PSG regardless of how badly they beat Red
Star. Napoli has the tie breaker vs. PSG (1-1 at home, 2-2 in Paris).

Yes, that's right. A PSG win, on the other hand, sets up a final-day showdown between Liverpool and Napoli. It also creates a potentially interesting situation with a three-way tie at the top of the table (if Liverpool beats Napoli and PSG doesn't beat Red Star). I think that Liverpool would come out on top, and then there's the question mark about whether it goes to overall GD or iterated H2H to decide what happens between Napoli and PSG.

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Yes, that's right. A PSG win, on the other hand, sets up a final-day showdown between Liverpool and Napoli. It also creates a potentially interesting situation with a three-way tie at the top of the table (if Liverpool beats Napoli and PSG doesn't beat Red Star). I think that Liverpool would come out on top, and then there's the question mark about whether it goes to overall GD or iterated H2H to decide what happens between Napoli and PSG.

Neither. With 3 teams of 9 it will be the table of the 3-team mini
league. Liverpool wins that one on points. With current scores, PSG
takes second on GD or goals scores, unless Liverpool - Napoli ends 4-3
or higher scoring.

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Post by Jesper Lauridsen
Neither. With 3 teams of 9 it will be the table of the 3-team mini
league. Liverpool wins that one on points. With current scores, PSG
takes second on GD or goals scores, unless Liverpool - Napoli ends 4-3
or higher scoring.

In which case you would have the iterated H2H-overall GD dilemma. Whatever, that's not very likely.

In the meantime, Spurs are getting increasingly frustrated. Son has come on, and now Erikssen is getting ready too. Still 0-0

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Neither. With 3 teams of 9 it will be the table of the 3-team mini
league. Liverpool wins that one on points. With current scores, PSG
takes second on GD or goals scores, unless Liverpool - Napoli ends 4-3
or higher scoring.

In which case you would have the iterated H2H-overall GD dilemma. Whatever, that's not very likely.

They will go to overall GD, which favours PSG.

However 5-4 would qualify both teams. The Biscotto to end all Biscottos?

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In the meantime, Spurs are getting increasingly frustrated. Son has come on, and now Erikssen is getting ready too. Still 0-0

Where is Icardi?

[MH]

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Neither. With 3 teams of 9 it will be the table of the 3-team mini
league. Liverpool wins that one on points. With current scores, PSG
takes second on GD or goals scores, unless Liverpool - Napoli ends 4-3
or higher scoring.

In which case you would have the iterated H2H-overall GD dilemma. Whatever, that's not very likely.

They will go to overall GD, which favours PSG.
However 5-4 would qualify both teams. The Biscotto to end all Biscottos?

Risky without certain knowledge of the outcome of PSG's game, which
would have to be a draw for any of this to be relevant. Go Crvena Zvezda !

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In the meantime, Spurs are getting increasingly frustrated. Son has come on, and now Erikssen is getting ready too. Still 0-0

Where is Icardi?

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However 5-4 would qualify both teams. The Biscotto to end all Biscottos?

Risky without certain knowledge of the outcome of PSG's game, which
would have to be a draw for any of this to be relevant. Go Crvena Zvezda !

If PSG either wins or loses, a high scoring Liverpool 1 goal win puts Napoli ahead because of the AGR. So Liverpool would always have an incentive to go for a bigger win (either to qualify, or to gain first place). Yeah, not a very stable equilibrium. Then again, biscotti typically aren't stable.

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In the meantime, Spurs are getting increasingly frustrated. Son has come on, and now Erikssen is getting ready too. Still 0-0

If you want to win, you need to play your best guys.


Meanwhile, two former champions are playing a 5-5 thriller.

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Post by Jesper Lauridsen
If you want to win, you need to play your best guys.

Yeah. Now just rinse and repeat against Barcelona. Of course, if there is one team you can count on to throw it away at home, that would be Inter.

In Paris, FT 2-1. PSG in the driving seat to qualify. Ancelotti will have to prove his worth in Alkamista's den.

[ixion martin - GdBx]

On Wednesday, November 28, 2018 at 4:38:33 PM UTC-5, Jesper

Post by Jesper Lauridsen
If you want to win, you need to play your best guys.

Yeah. Now just rinse and repeat against Barcelona. Of course,
if there is one team you can count on to throw it away at
home, that would be Inter.
In Paris, FT 2-1. PSG in the driving seat to qualify.
Ancelotti will have to prove his worth in Alkamista's den.

If Liverpool wins on Napoli and Paris makes a draw in Beograd,
we have :
1. LIV
2. NAP
3. PSG

Correct ?

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Post by ixion martin - GdBx
If Liverpool wins on Napoli and Paris makes a draw in Beograd,
1. LIV
2. NAP
3. PSG

They would all be on 9 points, so you look at the minileague between the three:

Liverpool 6 4+x+d, 5+x
PSG 5 7 7
Napoli 5 4+x 3+x+d

So:
Any Liverpool win by two goals or more: LIV, PSG
Liverpool wins 1-0, 2-1, 3-2: LIV and PSG
Liverpool wins 4-3: PSG and Napoli exactly tied in the minileague, you look at overall GD, where PSG has the advantage. LIV and PSG
Liverpool wins 5-4, 6-5. etc: Napoli gets the edge in the minileague because of more goals scored. LIV and NAP.

As Jesper corerctly said, you would need the biscotto to end all biscottos for Napoli to advance from the three-way minileague.

[ixion martin - GdBx]

On Wednesday, November 28, 2018 at 5:03:27 PM UTC-5, ixion

Post by ixion martin - GdBx
If Liverpool wins on Napoli and Paris makes a draw in
1. LIV
2. NAP
3. PSG

They would all be on 9 points, so you look at the minileague
Liverpool 6 4+x+d, 5+x
PSG 5 7 7
Napoli 5 4+x 3+x+d

And then Napoli > PSG because of 2-2/1-1 results...

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Liverpool 6 4+x+d, 5+x
PSG 5 7 7
Napoli 5 4+x 3+x+d

And then Napoli > PSG because of 2-2/1-1 results...

No. You look first at the overall mini-league before going back to H2H. So PSG has the edge. Napoli needs a point at Anfield to be sure of qualifying.

A 1-0 loss and a PSG win qualifies Liverpool because of better overall GD

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Liverpool 6 4+x+d, 5+x
PSG 5 7 7
Napoli 5 4+x 3+x+d

And then Napoli > PSG because of 2-2/1-1 results...

No. You look first at the overall mini-league before going back to H2H. So PSG has the edge. Napoli needs a point at Anfield to be sure of qualifying.
A 1-0 loss and a PSG win qualifies Liverpool because of better overall GD

Correct. Liverpool goes through if:
1) They win 1-0
2) They win by a 2 goal margin
3) They win by any score and PSG doesn't win at RSB

[ixion martin - GdBx]

On Wednesday, November 28, 2018 at 6:06:54 PM UTC-5, ixion

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Liverpool 6 4+x+d, 5+x
PSG 5 7 7
Napoli 5 4+x 3+x+d

And then Napoli > PSG because of 2-2/1-1 results...

No. You look first at the overall mini-league before going
back to H2H.

ok.
But it's not logical.

[ixion martin - GdBx]

On Wednesday, November 28, 2018 at 6:06:54 PM UTC-5, ixion

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Post by Futbolmetrix
Liverpool 6 4+x+d, 5+x
PSG 5 7 7
Napoli 5 4+x 3+x+d

And then Napoli > PSG because of 2-2/1-1 results...

No. You look first at the overall mini-league before going
back to H2H. So PSG has the edge. Napoli needs a point at
Anfield to be sure of qualifying.
A 1-0 loss and a PSG win qualifies Liverpool because of
better overall GD

So, if Paris draws, Paris qualified unless Liverpool wins by
exactly one goal 4-3 or more... Correct ?

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Yeah. Now just rinse and repeat against Barcelona. Of course, if there
is one team you can count on to throw it away at home, that would be Inter.

Inter's power of self-destruction is stronger than the Weaufx Gods.

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In Paris, FT 2-1. PSG in the driving seat to qualify. Ancelotti will have to prove his worth in Alkamista's den.

Didn't get to see the match, but I understand that Liverpool completely dominated, and yet in the 92' this happened:

https://streamable.com/aqoy6

Ouch :-|

So, Serie A's dream of qualifying all 4 teams crumbles miserably. Inter and Napoli will now have the chance to accumulate points in the EL.

[MH]

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In Paris, FT 2-1. PSG in the driving seat to qualify. Ancelotti will have to prove his worth in Alkamista's den.

It was a good, fast paced game, with Liverpool generating lots of
chances. Napoli got into the game more around 60 mins, realizing
perhaps that as long as they scored one, it didn't matter if Liverpool
did too. Liverpool had lots of very high quality chances (mostly Mané)
that they blew, and were really tempting fate by not putting the game to
bed when they could have. Referee was a bit inconsistent too.

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https://streamable.com/aqoy6
Ouch :-|

Yes, and it would have served Liverpool right if it had gone in.

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So, Serie A's dream of qualifying all 4 teams crumbles miserably.

Whereas the EPL got all four through (quite unexpectedly given United's
form and the group Spurs were in), and Spain and Germany managed only 3
each.

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Inter and Napoli will now have the chance to accumulate points in the EL.

Napoli will probably get at least the 5 (bonus) points they missed out
on by not advancing. Inter I would be more surprised by as they need to
focus on the league to make the CL again next year. Juve and Napoli have
a nice cushion to work with.

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Inter and Napoli will now have the chance to accumulate points in the EL.

Napoli will probably get at least the 5 (bonus) points they missed out
on by not advancing. Inter I would be more surprised by as they need to
focus on the league to make the CL again next year. Juve and Napoli have
a nice cushion to work with.

Early FiveThirtyEight predictions puts Napoli and Inter as second and third favorites to win the EL, behind Chelsea but above Arsenal.

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Inter and Napoli will now have the chance to accumulate points in the EL.

Napoli will probably get at least the 5 (bonus) points they missed out
on by not advancing. Inter I would be more surprised by as they need to
focus on the league to make the CL again next year. Juve and Napoli have
a nice cushion to work with.

Early FiveThirtyEight predictions puts Napoli and Inter as second and third favorites to win the EL, behind Chelsea but above Arsenal.

On the UCL side LFC, PSG, and Juve tied for fourth place at a 10% chance of winning it. Above them are MC (19), Barca (12), BM (11).

My unsophisticated view in terms of favorites in decreasing order: MC, Barca, Juve, LFC, PSG.

The two big wildcards are Bayern and Dortmund. Not sure how bad Bayern can be and how good Dortmund can be on the biggest stage.

[MH]

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Inter and Napoli will now have the chance to accumulate points in the EL.

Napoli will probably get at least the 5 (bonus) points they missed out
on by not advancing. Inter I would be more surprised by as they need to
focus on the league to make the CL again next year. Juve and Napoli have
a nice cushion to work with.

Early FiveThirtyEight predictions puts Napoli and Inter as second and third favorites to win the EL, behind Chelsea but above Arsenal.

On the UCL side LFC, PSG, and Juve tied for fourth place at a 10% chance of winning it. Above them are MC (19), Barca (12), BM (11).
My unsophisticated view in terms of favorites in decreasing order: MC, Barca, Juve, LFC, PSG.
The two big wildcards are Bayern and Dortmund. Not sure how bad Bayern can be and how good Dortmund can be on the biggest stage.

Real Madrid are a pretty big wildcard too. They ought to improve, and of
course can make a significant signing or two in the January window
(teams with prize assets not already cup tied in Europe had better look
out, since I think they can sign and play as many of those as they like
(is that right ?).

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In Paris, FT 2-1. PSG in the driving seat to qualify. Ancelotti will have to prove his worth in Alkamista's den.

https://streamable.com/aqoy6

Indeed. And it would have been just punishment for Liverpool for choking on so many chances (not dissimilar to how Juve blew it at home to MU).

But boy did Liverpool have bundles of great chances. Four clear shots inside the box with only the keeper to beat, and at least one wide open goal missed from 4 yards out. And there were still more good chances. A 5-0 score would not have been too flattering for LFC. And we almost threw it all away. All hail Alisson Becker.

[Jesus Petry]

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All hail Alisson Becker.

You've heard here first:

https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups#!original/rec.sport.soccer/fQdWSCrcka8/AHQgaGT3lEwJ

Tchau!
Jesus Petry

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All hail Alisson Becker.

https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups#!original/rec.sport.soccer/fQdWSCrcka8/AHQgaGT3lEwJ
Tchau!
Jesus Petry

"Our goalkeeper Alisson is possibly the best in the world at the moment." - Jesus Petry, RSS, 3 Aug 2015

Words of the wise, JP!

[Werner Pichler]

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In Paris, FT 2-1. PSG in the driving seat to qualify. Ancelotti will have to prove his worth in
Alkamista's den.

Didn't get to see the match, but I understand that Liverpool completely dominated, and yet in
https://streamable.com/aqoy6

Who knows, this might even turn out to become a Gerrard vs. Olympiacos moment.

Ciao,
Werner

[Jesper Lauridsen]

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No Son or Erikssen for Spurs. Dele (inexplicably left out of the UtN Bungs lineup) with an early chance early on. Still mostly a cagey affair, though.

Neymar makes it 2-0. Not a good result for Napoli, who, as things stand, will need to get a result at Anfield.

Milner pulls one back for Liverpool from the spot, just before HT. A draw in Paris sees both Liverpool and Napoli through.

With a draw, PSG will be on 6, Liverpool on 7.