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Full benefit of Salvation is only through the Roman Catholic Church....False teachings in the Roman Catholic Church posted at the request Of Patrick Barker. Pt 2
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Mattb
2019-12-10 04:25:09 UTC
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Full benefit of Salvation is only through the Roman Catholic Church

"For it is only through Christ's Catholic Church, which is "the
all-embracing means of salvation," that they can benefit fully from
the means of salvation,," (Vatican 2, Decree on Ecumenism, 3).
PatB
2019-12-10 06:21:45 UTC
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Full benefit of Salvation is only through the Roman Catholic Church
"For it is only through Christ's Catholic Church, which is "the
all-embracing means of salvation," that they can benefit fully from
the means of salvation,," (Vatican 2, Decree on Ecumenism, 3).
Sounds right.
Do you have a reference?
or did you just make this up?
Robert
2019-12-10 08:14:16 UTC
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Post by Mattb
Full benefit of Salvation is only through the Roman Catholic Church
"For it is only through Christ's Catholic Church, which is "the
all-embracing means of salvation," that they can benefit fully from
the means of salvation,," (Vatican 2, Decree on Ecumenism, 3).
Sounds right.
Do you have a reference?
or did you just make this up?
Jesus Said,...
Act 26:18  to open their eyes, in order to turn them from darkness to
light, and from the power of Satan to God, that they may receive
forgiveness of sins and an inheritance among those who are sanctified
by faith in Me.'
--
But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.
(Heb 11:6 KJV)
d***@cox.net
2019-12-10 13:55:54 UTC
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Post by Mattb
Full benefit of Salvation is only through the Roman Catholic Church
"For it is only through Christ's Catholic Church, which is "the
all-embracing means of salvation," that they can benefit fully from
the means of salvation,," (Vatican 2, Decree on Ecumenism, 3).
Sounds right.
Do you have a reference?
or did you just make this up?
Jesus Said,...
Act 26:18  to open their eyes, in order to turn them from darkness to
light, and from the power of Satan to God, that they may receive
forgiveness of sins and an inheritance among those who are sanctified
by faith in Me.'
Yet you closed your eyes to

John 20:22-23 New International Version (NIV)
22 And with that he breathed on them and said, “Receive the Holy Spirit. 23 If
you forgive anyone’s sins, their sins are forgiven; if you do not forgive them,
they are not forgiven.”

John 6:54-57 New International Version (NIV)
54 Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise
them up at the last day. 55 For my flesh is real food and my blood is real
drink. 56 Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood remains in me, and I in
them. 57 Just as the living Father sent me and I live because of the Father, so
the one who feeds on me will live because of me.
the dukester, American-American
PatB
2019-12-10 17:57:04 UTC
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Post by Mattb
Full benefit of Salvation is only through the Roman Catholic Church
"For it is only through Christ's Catholic Church, which is "the
all-embracing means of salvation," that they can benefit fully from
the means of salvation,," (Vatican 2, Decree on Ecumenism, 3).
Sounds right.
Do you have a reference?
or did you just make this up?
Jesus Said,...
I am not talking about what Jesus said.
Robert
2019-12-10 18:21:45 UTC
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Post by Robert
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Post by Mattb
Full benefit of Salvation is only through the Roman Catholic Church
"For it is only through Christ's Catholic Church, which is "the
all-embracing means of salvation," that they can benefit fully from
the means of salvation,," (Vatican 2, Decree on Ecumenism, 3).
Sounds right.
Do you have a reference?
or did you just make this up?
Jesus Said,...
I am not talking about what Jesus said.
Thank you, you are totally correct. And that you question and yet
support what Matt brought to your attention shows me that you are
confused.
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But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.
(Heb 11:6 KJV)
d***@cox.net
2019-12-11 13:26:56 UTC
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Post by Mattb
Full benefit of Salvation is only through the Roman Catholic Church
"For it is only through Christ's Catholic Church, which is "the
all-embracing means of salvation," that they can benefit fully from
the means of salvation,," (Vatican 2, Decree on Ecumenism, 3).
Sounds right.
Do you have a reference?
or did you just make this up?
Jesus Said,...
Act 26:18  to open their eyes, in order to turn them from darkness to
light, and from the power of Satan to God, that they may receive
forgiveness of sins and an inheritance among those who are sanctified
by faith in Me.'
Then why do you reject and ignore the teachings of the Lord Jesus clearly
spelled out in scripture?
the dukester, American-American
d***@cox.net
2019-12-14 14:11:05 UTC
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Post by PatB
Post by Mattb
Full benefit of Salvation is only through the Roman Catholic Church
"For it is only through Christ's Catholic Church, which is "the
all-embracing means of salvation," that they can benefit fully from
the means of salvation,," (Vatican 2, Decree on Ecumenism, 3).
Sounds right.
Do you have a reference?
or did you just make this up?
Jesus Said,...
Act 26:18  to open their eyes, in order to turn them from darkness to
light, and from the power of Satan to God, that they may receive
forgiveness of sins and an inheritance among those who are sanctified
by faith in Me.'
Hebrews 9:15-18 New International Version (NIV)
15 For this reason Christ is the mediator of a new covenant, that those who are
called may receive the promised eternal inheritance—now that he has died as a
ransom to set them free from the sins committed under the first covenant.
16 In the case of a will,[a] it is necessary to prove the death of the one who
made it, 17 because a will is in force only when somebody has died; it never
takes effect while the one who made it is living. 18 This is why even the first
covenant was not put into effect without blood.

You lost sanctification the very moment after your baptism that you committed
sin.
the dukester, American-American
d***@cox.net
2019-12-10 13:49:45 UTC
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Post by Mattb
Full benefit of Salvation is only through the Roman Catholic Church
"For it is only through Christ's Catholic Church, which is "the
all-embracing means of salvation," that they can benefit fully from
the means of salvation,," (Vatican 2, Decree on Ecumenism, 3).
I wonder if larry sees the term "benefit fully". Clearly "NO" other Christian
or non-Christian or prot Church in the world offers the Catholic Church gifts of
the Holy Mass, 7 sacraments and the teachings of the Vatican and Pope.

Who made that choice? Clearly not God nor his Son nor the Catholic Church, but
only those that chose another path to live.

Don't fault us for your own mistakes.

Take the RC sacrament of Confession.

John 20:22-23 New International Version (NIV)
22 And with that he breathed on them and said, “Receive the Holy Spirit. 23 If
you forgive anyone’s sins, their sins are forgiven; if you do not forgive them,
they are not forgiven.”

Take the RC sacrament of Holy Eucharist.

John 6:54-57 New International Version (NIV)
54 Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise
them up at the last day. 55 For my flesh is real food and my blood is real
drink. 56 Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood remains in me, and I in
them. 57 Just as the living Father sent me and I live because of the Father, so
the one who feeds on me will live because of me.
the dukester, American-American
Mattb
2019-12-10 17:14:02 UTC
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Post by Mattb
Full benefit of Salvation is only through the Roman Catholic Church
"For it is only through Christ's Catholic Church, which is "the
all-embracing means of salvation," that they can benefit fully from
the means of salvation,," (Vatican 2, Decree on Ecumenism, 3).
I wonder if larry sees the term "benefit fully". Clearly "NO" other Christian
or non-Christian or prot Church in the world offers the Catholic Church gifts of
the Holy Mass, 7 sacraments and the teachings of the Vatican and Pope.
They (RCC) offer much in the ways of lies and pedophilia, as you see
in Patrick Barker and Earl Weber.
Post by d***@cox.net
Who made that choice? Clearly not God nor his Son nor the Catholic Church, but
only those that chose another path to live.
Don't fault us for your own mistakes.
Take the RC sacrament of Confession.
John 20:22-23 New International Version (NIV)
22 And with that he breathed on them and said, “Receive the Holy Spirit. 23 If
you forgive anyone’s sins, their sins are forgiven; if you do not forgive them,
they are not forgiven.”
Don't see it limited to Catholic.
Post by d***@cox.net
Take the RC sacrament of Holy Eucharist.
John 6:54-57 New International Version (NIV)
54 Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise
them up at the last day. 55 For my flesh is real food and my blood is real
drink. 56 Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood remains in me, and I in
them. 57 Just as the living Father sent me and I live because of the Father, so
the one who feeds on me will live because of me.
the dukester, American-American
This isn't required for Salvation.
PatB
2019-12-10 17:58:02 UTC
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Post by Mattb
Full benefit of Salvation is only through the Roman Catholic Church
"For it is only through Christ's Catholic Church, which is "the
all-embracing means of salvation," that they can benefit fully from
the means of salvation,," (Vatican 2, Decree on Ecumenism, 3).
I wonder if larry sees the term "benefit fully". Clearly "NO" other Christian
or non-Christian or prot Church in the world offers the Catholic Church gifts of
the Holy Mass, 7 sacraments and the teachings of the Vatican and Pope.
They (RCC) offer much in the ways of lies and pedophilia, as you see
in Patrick Barker and Earl Weber.
shaddup, troll.
Mattb
2019-12-10 18:02:43 UTC
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Post by Mattb
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Post by Mattb
Full benefit of Salvation is only through the Roman Catholic Church
"For it is only through Christ's Catholic Church, which is "the
all-embracing means of salvation," that they can benefit fully from
the means of salvation,," (Vatican 2, Decree on Ecumenism, 3).
I wonder if larry sees the term "benefit fully". Clearly "NO" other Christian
or non-Christian or prot Church in the world offers the Catholic Church gifts of
the Holy Mass, 7 sacraments and the teachings of the Vatican and Pope.
They (RCC) offer much in the ways of lies and pedophilia, as you see
in Patrick Barker and Earl Weber.
shaddup, troll.
Patrick you really need to move that mirror.
d***@cox.net
2019-12-11 13:34:13 UTC
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Post by d***@cox.net
Post by Mattb
Full benefit of Salvation is only through the Roman Catholic Church
"For it is only through Christ's Catholic Church, which is "the
all-embracing means of salvation," that they can benefit fully from
the means of salvation,," (Vatican 2, Decree on Ecumenism, 3).
I wonder if larry sees the term "benefit fully". Clearly "NO" other Christian
or non-Christian or prot Church in the world offers the Catholic Church gifts of
the Holy Mass, 7 sacraments and the teachings of the Vatican and Pope.
They (RCC) offer much in the ways of lies and pedophilia, as you see
in Patrick Barker and Earl Weber.
Why lies, larry, when they are clearly spelled out in the NT scripture?
Post by Mattb
Post by d***@cox.net
Who made that choice? Clearly not God nor his Son nor the Catholic Church, but
only those that chose another path to live.
Don't fault us for your own mistakes.
Take the RC sacrament of Confession.
John 20:22-23 New International Version (NIV)
22 And with that he breathed on them and said, “Receive the Holy Spirit. 23 If
you forgive anyone’s sins, their sins are forgiven; if you do not forgive them,
they are not forgiven.”
Don't see it limited to Catholic.
It's the very first teachings by Jesus on the afternoon of his resurrection to
his followers who became the keys in the new Christian Church in formation.

Of course, it is the protest_ant church that, 1600 years later, elected to form
up to then ignore the 7 sacraments given by the resurrected Lord.
Post by Mattb
Post by d***@cox.net
Take the RC sacrament of Holy Eucharist.
John 6:54-57 New International Version (NIV)
54 Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise
them up at the last day. 55 For my flesh is real food and my blood is real
drink. 56 Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood remains in me, and I in
them. 57 Just as the living Father sent me and I live because of the Father, so
the one who feeds on me will live because of me.
the dukester, American-American
This isn't required for Salvation.
Thanks, but I'm going with Jesus on this one. It's hard to ignore the
stipulation that "the one that feeds on me will live BECAUSE OF ME."

the dukester, American-American
Mattb
2019-12-11 18:41:12 UTC
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Post by Mattb
Full benefit of Salvation is only through the Roman Catholic Church
"For it is only through Christ's Catholic Church, which is "the
all-embracing means of salvation," that they can benefit fully from
the means of salvation,," (Vatican 2, Decree on Ecumenism, 3).
I wonder if larry sees the term "benefit fully". Clearly "NO" other Christian
or non-Christian or prot Church in the world offers the Catholic Church gifts of
the Holy Mass, 7 sacraments and the teachings of the Vatican and Pope.
They (RCC) offer much in the ways of lies and pedophilia, as you see
in Patrick Barker and Earl Weber.
Why lies, larry, when they are clearly spelled out in the NT scripture?
Then show us this evidence and Catechism of the Catholic Church are
alone not evidence but propaganda.
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Post by Mattb
Post by d***@cox.net
Who made that choice? Clearly not God nor his Son nor the Catholic Church, but
only those that chose another path to live.
Don't fault us for your own mistakes.
Take the RC sacrament of Confession.
John 20:22-23 New International Version (NIV)
22 And with that he breathed on them and said, “Receive the Holy Spirit. 23 If
you forgive anyone’s sins, their sins are forgiven; if you do not forgive them,
they are not forgiven.”
Don't see it limited to Catholic.
It's the very first teachings by Jesus on the afternoon of his resurrection to
his followers who became the keys in the new Christian Church in formation.
Yet again don't see it limited to Catholic.
Post by d***@cox.net
Of course, it is the protest_ant church that, 1600 years later, elected to form
up to then ignore the 7 sacraments given by the resurrected Lord.
There were protestant Churches of a type before the RCC just
murdered then and used intimidation also to destroy them. Your
founder Constantine used taxation even and then gave the property to
the RCC.
Post by d***@cox.net
Post by Mattb
Post by d***@cox.net
Take the RC sacrament of Holy Eucharist.
John 6:54-57 New International Version (NIV)
54 Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise
them up at the last day. 55 For my flesh is real food and my blood is real
drink. 56 Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood remains in me, and I in
them. 57 Just as the living Father sent me and I live because of the Father, so
the one who feeds on me will live because of me.
the dukester, American-American
This isn't required for Salvation.
Thanks, but I'm going with Jesus on this one.
The RCC is not Jesus.
Post by d***@cox.net
It's hard to ignore the
stipulation that "the one that feeds on me will live BECAUSE OF ME."
The RCC is not God.
Post by d***@cox.net
the dukester, American-American
PatB
2019-12-11 23:59:20 UTC
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Then show us this evidence and Catechism of the Catholic Church are
alone not evidence but propaganda.
So?
Mattb
2019-12-12 05:11:51 UTC
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Then show us this evidence and Catechism of the Catholic Church are
alone not evidence but propaganda.
So?
Glad you agree.
PatB
2019-12-12 06:40:02 UTC
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Post by Mattb
Then show us this evidence and Catechism of the Catholic Church are
alone not evidence but propaganda.
So?
Glad you agree.
I agree that you are larry's son.
Robert
2019-12-12 09:37:47 UTC
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Then show us this evidence and Catechism of the Catholic Church are
alone not evidence but propaganda.
So?
Glad you agree.
I agree that you are larry's son.
Has he posted your churches address yet?
--
But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.
(Heb 11:6 KJV)
PatB
2019-12-12 09:50:24 UTC
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Then show us this evidence and Catechism of the Catholic Church are
alone not evidence but propaganda.
So?
Glad you agree.
I agree that you are larry's son.
Has he posted your churches address yet?
Why?
Would you like it?

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Robert
2019-12-12 18:31:43 UTC
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Has he posted your churches address yet?
Why?
Would you like it?
Which one is yours, and who is your confessor/s.?
--
But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.
(Heb 11:6 KJV)
PatB
2019-12-12 19:34:12 UTC
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Post by Robert
Has he posted your churches address yet?
Why?
Would you like it?
Which one is yours, and who is your confessor/s.?
You first, dip.
Robert
2019-12-12 22:46:30 UTC
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Has he posted your churches address yet?
Why?
Would you like it?
Which one is yours, and who is your confessor/s.?
You first, dip.
Coward, if you were proud of your actions you would have nothing to
fear.

And no, I would not tell you where I go, because I know of your past
threats to me, as well as your mountain of lies and name calling. I
really wish I could say better of you and Earl, even the old lady who
posts here.
--
But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.
(Heb 11:6 KJV)
PatB
2019-12-13 00:28:26 UTC
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Post by PatB
Post by Robert
Post by PatB
Post by Robert
Has he posted your churches address yet?
Why?
Would you like it?
Which one is yours, and who is your confessor/s.?
You first, dip.
Coward, if you were proud of your actions you would have nothing to
fear.
And no, I would not tell you where I go, because I know of your past
threats to me, as well as your mountain of lies and name calling. I
really wish I could say better of you and Earl, even the old lady who
posts here.
Why do you demand I post my personal Parish church here, when you
refuse to do the same? Ask matty for my address. Then look up the
Catholic Church that is closest to my house. That would be the parish
I am in. This is not a secret.

And you don't have to worry about me. I do not carry a gun. And I
have no intrention of seeking you out unless you decide to out or
insult my family members. You harm my family. I harm you.
Robert
2019-12-13 01:49:44 UTC
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Post by Robert
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Post by Robert
Post by PatB
Post by Robert
Has he posted your churches address yet?
Why?
Would you like it?
Which one is yours, and who is your confessor/s.?
You first, dip.
Coward, if you were proud of your actions you would have nothing to
fear.
--
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Post by Robert
And no, I would not tell you where I go, because I know of your past
threats to me, as well as your mountain of lies and name calling. I
really wish I could say better of you and Earl, even the old lady who
posts here.
Why do you demand I post my personal Parish church here, when you
refuse to do the same? Ask matty for my address. Then look up the
Catholic Church that is closest to my house. That would be the parish
I am in. This is not a secret.
And you don't have to worry about me. I do not carry a gun. And I
have no intrention of seeking you out unless you decide to out or
insult my family members. You harm my family. I harm you.
You already threatened me, around the time you threatened Matt, the
first time, you were disappointed in that you could not find out
anything about me and tried to talk me into telling the world, even
after posting the things you would do to me.

And what you posted was attempted intimidation with a threat
following. Good thing you snookered your kids about your online
posting, as they would be further ashamed of their sperm donor.
--
But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.
(Heb 11:6 KJV)
PatB
2019-12-13 09:46:33 UTC
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Post by Robert
Has he posted your churches address yet?
Why?
Would you like it?
Which one is yours, and who is your confessor/s.?
You first, dip.
Coward, if you were proud of your actions you would have nothing to
fear.
--
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Post by Robert
And no, I would not tell you where I go, because I know of your past
threats to me, as well as your mountain of lies and name calling. I
really wish I could say better of you and Earl, even the old lady who
posts here.
Why do you demand I post my personal Parish church here, when you
refuse to do the same? Ask matty for my address. Then look up the
Catholic Church that is closest to my house. That would be the parish
I am in. This is not a secret.
And you don't have to worry about me. I do not carry a gun. And I
have no intrention of seeking you out unless you decide to out or
insult my family members. You harm my family. I harm you.
You already threatened me,
LIAR.
I may have promised to make you pay for your insolence and your
harming of my family. Not threat. Promise.
Post by Robert
around the time you threatened Matt, the
first time, you were disappointed in that you could not find out
anything about me and tried to talk me into telling the world, even
after posting the things you would do to me.
Prove it.
And since you have decided not to pursue harm to my family, I have not
pursued finding you. I have already tricked you into telling us where
you live. Be nice, and I won't come after you. I confront bullies.
Will you pick up where you left off?
Post by Robert
And what you posted was attempted intimidation with a threat
following. Good thing you snookered your kids about your online
posting, as they would be further ashamed of their sperm donor.
Was that another insult?
I thought you claimed to walk in the spirit.
Another example of how you are a big fuckin liar.
Robert
2019-12-13 16:56:38 UTC
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Has he posted your churches address yet?
Why?
Would you like it?
Which one is yours, and who is your confessor/s.?
You first, dip.
Coward, if you were proud of your actions you would have nothing to
fear.
--
Post by PatB
Post by Robert
And no, I would not tell you where I go, because I know of your past
threats to me, as well as your mountain of lies and name calling. I
really wish I could say better of you and Earl, even the old lady who
posts here.
Why do you demand I post my personal Parish church here, when you
refuse to do the same? Ask matty for my address. Then look up the
Catholic Church that is closest to my house. That would be the parish
I am in. This is not a secret.
And you don't have to worry about me. I do not carry a gun. And I
have no intrention of seeking you out unless you decide to out or
insult my family members. You harm my family. I harm you.
You already threatened me,
LIAR.
I may have promised to make you pay for your insolence and your
harming of my family. Not threat. Promise.
You are so exposed in anyone wanted to harm you they could.

I never harmed you family in any way, so you just compounded you lies.
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Post by Robert
around the time you threatened Matt, the
first time, you were disappointed in that you could not find out
anything about me and tried to talk me into telling the world, even
after posting the things you would do to me.
Prove it.
And since you have decided not to pursue harm to my family, I have not
pursued finding you. I have already tricked you into telling us where
you live. Be nice, and I won't come after you. I confront bullies.
Will you pick up where you left off?
I would like you to pick up where you left off, prove that you found
me and then take action. You will then lose your retirement as conduct
unbecoming to an officer, per federal law.
Post by PatB
Post by Robert
And what you posted was attempted intimidation with a threat
following. Good thing you snookered your kids about your online
posting, as they would be further ashamed of their sperm donor.
Was that another insult?
I thought you claimed to walk in the spirit.
Another example of how you are a big fuckin liar.
Insult? Why? Did you tell your kids you are a virgin?
--
But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.
(Heb 11:6 KJV)
PatB
2019-12-13 23:00:43 UTC
Permalink
Post by Robert
You are so exposed in anyone wanted to harm you they could.
Are you worried about me?
Post by Robert
Post by PatB
Will you pick up where you left off?
I would like you to pick up where you left off, prove that you found
me and then take action. You will then lose your retirement as conduct
unbecoming to an officer, per federal law.
You have used that before.
And you are still full of shit.
Post the federal law that says I can lose my retirement.
Or don't.
You know you cannot.
Post by Robert
Insult? Why? Did you tell your kids you are a virgin?
Would Jesus approve your question?
TROLL.
Robert
2019-12-13 23:21:53 UTC
Permalink
Post by PatB
Post by Robert
You are so exposed in anyone wanted to harm you they could.
Are you worried about me?
Nope, you made the bed you lie in.
Post by PatB
Post by Robert
Post by PatB
Will you pick up where you left off?
I would like you to pick up where you left off, prove that you found
me and then take action. You will then lose your retirement as conduct
unbecoming to an officer, per federal law.
You have used that before.
And you are still full of shit.
Post the federal law that says I can lose my retirement.
Or don't.
You know you cannot.
I already have done that several times out of concern for you stupid
reactions and actions and threats, etc.

You are still under Oath and expected to be an Officer and a
Gentleman. I have also linked to some who lost their retirement
through their own stupidity and bad conduct.
Post by PatB
Post by Robert
Insult? Why? Did you tell your kids you are a virgin?
--
But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.
(Heb 11:6 KJV)
PatB
2019-12-14 06:00:21 UTC
Permalink
Post by Robert
Post by PatB
Post by Robert
I would like you to pick up where you left off, prove that you found
me and then take action. You will then lose your retirement as conduct
unbecoming to an officer, per federal law.
You have used that before.
And you are still full of shit.
Post the federal law that says I can lose my retirement.
Or don't.
You know you cannot.
I already have done that several times out of concern for you stupid
reactions and actions and threats, etc.
No, you did not.
Post by Robert
You are still under Oath and expected to be an Officer and a
Gentleman. I have also linked to some who lost their retirement
through their own stupidity and bad conduct.
No, you did not.

Since you obviously lied, let me help you out here.
Retired military officers are subject to the Uniform Code of Military
Justice (UCMJ) under Article 2 of the UCMJ, which extends the
jurisdiction of military law to “[r]etired members of a regular
component of the armed forces who are entitled to pay.” (See the
Army’s implementing regulation, AR 27-10, Military Justice, here:
“Retirees are subject to the UCMJ and may be tried by court-martial
for violations ... that occurred ... while in a retired status.”)
Service-specific statutes and rules also define the regular components
of the armed forces expansively to include retired officers.

The most pertinent rules prohibit limited forms of contemptuous speech
and require retirees to refrain from political advocacy that could be
construed as an official endorsement on the part of the armed
services. Article 88 of the UCMJ criminalizes “contemptuous words
against the President, the Vice President, Congress, the Secretary of
Defense, the Secretary of a military department, the Secretary of
Homeland Security, or the Governor or legislature of any State ...”
The Manual for Courts-Martial, pt. IV, ¶ 12(c), however, narrows the
scope of the offense: “If not personally contemptuous, adverse
criticism of one of the officials or legislatures named in the article
... even though emphatically expressed, may not be charged as a
violation ...” Further, “[t]he official or legislature against whom
the words are used must be occupying one of the offices or be one of
the legislatures named in Article 88 at the time of the offense.”

Should General Flynn and General Allen be concerned? Although the
armed forces could employ this prohibition to restrain retirees’
political speech, the government has only initiated court-martial
proceedings against one retired service member—nearly one hundred
years ago in United States v. Salvagno. And the retiree in question—a
former Army musician—was acquitted.

Moreover, military prosecutors have limited discretion to proffer
charges against retirees for violations of the UCMJ. For example, AR
27-10, Military Justice, states, “Army policy provides that retired
Soldiers ... will not be tried for any offense by courts-martial
unless extraordinary circumstances are present. Prior to referral of
courts-martial charges against retired Soldiers, approval will be
obtained from the Criminal Law Division ... of the Assistant Secretary
of the Army.”

It’s therefore unlikely that retired officers’ political speech, even
if personally offensive to named officeholders, will result in the
referral of charges and court-martial. So General Flynn and General
Allen can rest easy on that score.

Both men have also hewed to Directive 1344.10 of the Defense
Department’s regulations restricting the political activities of
service members, which prohibits retirees from wearing a military
uniform when engaging in certain political activities, including
fundraising and rallies. Neither General Flynn nor General Allen has
appeared in uniform when speaking on behalf of candidates.

The DOD directives also state that former officers may not participate
in political activities “in a manner that could reasonably give rise
to the interference or appearance of official sponsorship, approval,
or endorsement” of the armed forces. Even so, the DOD maintains that
“[a] Service member’s right of expression should be preserved to the
maximum extent possible ...”

But does the existing legal framework prohibit retirees from endorsing
political candidates? In 2010, Steve Corbett and Michael Davidson
contended that the UCMJ “provides only a theoretical limitation on the
political activities of retired officers.” General Dempsey recently
opined, “[R]etired [officers] can ... become part of the ... political
landscape,” though he recommended against them doing so. Some military
justice experts have argued, however, that “should a senior military
officer publicly endorse a political candidate in his capacity as a
retired military officer and while doing so, treat a sitting
[protected officeholder] with obvious contempt, then military
jurisdiction might properly be invoked, if the facts are sufficiently
egregious.”

As such, the present debate is not over whether these individuals can
legally endorse a candidate, but whether they should engage in
partisan activities. The conduct of Lieutenant General (retired)
Flynn, General (retired) Allen, and other retired officers seems to
comport with existing law. But law aside, whether their political
participation is perceived as appropriate—by the public or by other
service members—remains an open question.
Robert
2019-12-14 06:24:19 UTC
Permalink
Post by PatB
Post by Robert
Post by PatB
Post by Robert
I would like you to pick up where you left off, prove that you found
me and then take action. You will then lose your retirement as conduct
unbecoming to an officer, per federal law.
You have used that before.
And you are still full of shit.
Post the federal law that says I can lose my retirement.
Or don't.
You know you cannot.
I already have done that several times out of concern for you stupid
reactions and actions and threats, etc.
No, you did not.
Post by Robert
You are still under Oath and expected to be an Officer and a
Gentleman. I have also linked to some who lost their retirement
through their own stupidity and bad conduct.
No, you did not.
Since you obviously lied, let me help you out here.
Retired military officers are subject to the Uniform Code of Military
Justice (UCMJ) under Article 2 of the UCMJ, which extends the
jurisdiction of military law to “[r]etired members of a regular
component of the armed forces who are entitled to pay.” (See the
“Retirees are subject to the UCMJ and may be tried by court-martial
for violations ... that occurred ... while in a retired status.”)
Service-specific statutes and rules also define the regular components
of the armed forces expansively to include retired officers.
The most pertinent rules prohibit limited forms of contemptuous speech
and require retirees to refrain from political advocacy that could be
construed as an official endorsement on the part of the armed
services. Article 88 of the UCMJ criminalizes “contemptuous words
against the President, the Vice President, Congress, the Secretary of
Defense, the Secretary of a military department, the Secretary of
Homeland Security, or the Governor or legislature of any State ...”
The Manual for Courts-Martial, pt. IV, ¶ 12(c), however, narrows the
scope of the offense: “If not personally contemptuous, adverse
criticism of one of the officials or legislatures named in the article
... even though emphatically expressed, may not be charged as a
violation ...” Further, “[t]he official or legislature against whom
the words are used must be occupying one of the offices or be one of
the legislatures named in Article 88 at the time of the offense.”
Should General Flynn and General Allen be concerned? Although the
armed forces could employ this prohibition to restrain retirees’
political speech, the government has only initiated court-martial
proceedings against one retired service member—nearly one hundred
years ago in United States v. Salvagno. And the retiree in question—a
former Army musician—was acquitted.
Moreover, military prosecutors have limited discretion to proffer
charges against retirees for violations of the UCMJ. For example, AR
27-10, Military Justice, states, “Army policy provides that retired
Soldiers ... will not be tried for any offense by courts-martial
unless extraordinary circumstances are present. Prior to referral of
courts-martial charges against retired Soldiers, approval will be
obtained from the Criminal Law Division ... of the Assistant Secretary
of the Army.”
It’s therefore unlikely that retired officers’ political speech, even
if personally offensive to named officeholders, will result in the
referral of charges and court-martial. So General Flynn and General
Allen can rest easy on that score.
Both men have also hewed to Directive 1344.10 of the Defense
Department’s regulations restricting the political activities of
service members, which prohibits retirees from wearing a military
uniform when engaging in certain political activities, including
fundraising and rallies. Neither General Flynn nor General Allen has
appeared in uniform when speaking on behalf of candidates.
The DOD directives also state that former officers may not participate
in political activities “in a manner that could reasonably give rise
to the interference or appearance of official sponsorship, approval,
or endorsement” of the armed forces. Even so, the DOD maintains that
“[a] Service member’s right of expression should be preserved to the
maximum extent possible ...”
But does the existing legal framework prohibit retirees from endorsing
political candidates? In 2010, Steve Corbett and Michael Davidson
contended that the UCMJ “provides only a theoretical limitation on the
political activities of retired officers.” General Dempsey recently
opined, “[R]etired [officers] can ... become part of the ... political
landscape,” though he recommended against them doing so. Some military
justice experts have argued, however, that “should a senior military
officer publicly endorse a political candidate in his capacity as a
retired military officer and while doing so, treat a sitting
[protected officeholder] with obvious contempt, then military
jurisdiction might properly be invoked, if the facts are sufficiently
egregious.”
As such, the present debate is not over whether these individuals can
legally endorse a candidate, but whether they should engage in
partisan activities. The conduct of Lieutenant General (retired)
Flynn, General (retired) Allen, and other retired officers seems to
comport with existing law. But law aside, whether their political
participation is perceived as appropriate—by the public or by other
service members—remains an open question.
Very good, now you finally read some of it. How much I wouldn't know,
typically you read 1/10th or less of what you copy. But keep on going
on, there is a lot more, and some specifics also about the bad
conduct, some of which is directly related to you past actions here.
--
But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.
(Heb 11:6 KJV)
PatB
2019-12-14 09:04:01 UTC
Permalink
Post by Robert
Post by PatB
As such, the present debate is not over whether these individuals can
legally endorse a candidate, but whether they should engage in
partisan activities. The conduct of Lieutenant General (retired)
Flynn, General (retired) Allen, and other retired officers seems to
comport with existing law. But law aside, whether their political
participation is perceived as appropriate—by the public or by other
service members—remains an open question.
Very good, now you finally read some of it. How much I wouldn't know,
typically you read 1/10th or less of what you copy. But keep on going
on, there is a lot more, and some specifics also about the bad
conduct, some of which is directly related to you past actions here.
Sorry! EERRRRRCCCHHHHHHH!
You lose.
Next contestant please.
The discussion above was pertaining to general Flynn - who had lied to
the POTUS. And yet, he would never be prosecuted.
Bad Conduct?
Someone has fed you a bunch of shit.

he Herald-Tribune identified at least 455 ex-officers who collected or
are still collecting a pension despite losing their law enforcement
certificate.

Gandhi Lora is no longer a working officer, but the former Miami-Dade
cop still earns a state pension, which has paid him more than $500,000
since his law enforcement career ended in 2005.

The pension fund continues to pay him $7,200 each month - a decent
wage considering that Lora is a registered sex offender convicted of
possessing and promoting child pornography.

Every year, Florida’s Criminal Justice Standards and Training
Commission takes the law enforcement certificates of hundreds of
officers, ending their careers. But just because an officer loses his
or her badge, it does not necessarily mean a loss of pension benefits.
Existing laws protecting pensions are so strong that it is difficult
to strip someone of their benefits, even if that person lost their job
and their freedom after a felony conviction.

In a computer analysis that matched records from the state’s 22,000
officer misconduct cases with its list of participants in the Florida
Retirement System, the Herald-Tribune identified at least 455
ex-officers who collected or are still collecting a pension despite
losing their law enforcement certificate. The offenses that resulted
in the loss of their certificate included assault, burglary, sex with
inmates, smuggling contraband into prisons and sex offenses involving
children.

+++++++++++++

MILITARY RETIREMENT OVERVIEW
https://comptroller.defense.gov/Portals/45/documents/fmr/current/07b/Volume_07b.pdf

This section provides a general overview of the military retired pay
entitlement. Specific
details on eligibility, computation and payment are found in various
chapters of this volume.
A. Military retired pay is divided into three general categories:
retired pay for
regular service, retired pay for non-regular (reserve/guard) service,
and retired pay for physical
disability. With the exception of retirement for physical disability
and certain temporary
authorities for early retirement, a member must be credited with
completion of at least 20 years of
service in order to be eligible for retired/retainer pay. See Section
0102 for determining years of
service for retired/retainer pay eligibility.This section provides a
general overview of the military retired pay entitlement. Specific
details on eligibility, computation and payment are found in various
chapters of this volume.
A. Military retired pay is divided into three general categories:
retired pay for
regular service, retired pay for non-regular (reserve/guard) service,
and retired pay for physical
disability. With the exception of retirement for physical disability
and certain temporary
authorities for early retirement, a member must be credited with
completion of at least 20 years of
service in order to be eligible for retired/retainer pay. See Section
0102 for determining years of
service for retired/retainer pay eligibility.


A regular or reserve commissioned officer may voluntarily be
retired after completion of 20 years of active service, at least 10
years of which is active commissioned service.
+ Patrick was Regular., not reserve.


++++++++++++

– INITIAL ENTITLEMENTS-RETIREMENTS
0101 – MILITARY RETIREMENT OVERVIEW
010101 10 U.S.C. 1406, 1407, 1409
010102 10 U.S.C. 1406, 1407
010103 10 U.S.C. 1409
010103.B 10 U.S.C. 1401, Public Law 111-383, section 631
January 7, 2011
010105 Public Law 111-383, section 532
January 7, 2011
Public Law 102-484, section 4403
October 23, 1992

xxxxxxxxxxxx

Separation Pay. Separation Pay is a lump-sum payment to a member of
the Uniformed Services who is discharged involuntarily or released
from active duty and who does not qualify for retired pay. For more
information, see Volume 7A, Chapter 35.
+ You might ask matty how much they gave him....

xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

050102. Withholding Retired Pay
Retired pay may be withheld or forfeited when the employment falls
under certain
categories of activities prohibited under conflict-of-interest laws.
050103. Forfeiture of Annuities and Retired Pay
Although violation of conflict-of-interest laws may result in the
imposition of criminal
penalties (including fines and imprisonment) or administrative fines
and sanctions, entitlement to
military retired pay is directly affected only in circumstances
provided under subparagraphs A and
B of this paragraph and section 0502 of this chapter.
A. A retired Regular officer is convicted of “selling” during any
period prior to
October 13, 1994. “Selling,” as an activity under the
conflict-of-interest laws, is prohibited during
any time prior to October 13, 1994 under Title 18, United States Code,
section 281(a) (18 U.S.C
281(a)). A retired Regular officer may not, during the 2-year period
following retirement,
represent any person in the sale of anything to DoD in which the
officer holds retired status. This
2BDoD 7000.14-R Financial Management Regulation Volume 7B, Chapter 5
* July 2013
5-4
statute has been interpreted by the Department of Justice as
prohibiting a retired Regular officer
from representing any party other than himself or herself in
connection with a contract for the sale
of services or for the sale of supplies. Since an officer is
disqualified from holding any office, or
position of honor, trust, or profit of the United States (U.S.) as a
result of conviction, entitlement to
retired pay ceases.
Note: Title 18 U.S.C. 281(a) has been repealed.
B. The prohibition against selling has been broadly interpreted to
include
virtually all activities involved in the selling process and to apply
in any case reasonably within
the scope of the statute where the conduct at which it was directed
could arise.

kkkkkkkkkkkkkk

maybe this will help:
Entitlement to retired pay is directly affected when a retiree is
convicted of violating the Hiss Act, 5 U.S.C. 8311 – 8322.
*050202. Violation of 5 U.S.C. 8312
The receipt of retired pay by the retired member, or receipt of the
annuity by the retired member’s survivor or beneficiary is prohibited,
subject to certain exceptions described in section
8311(2) or (3) of title 5:
A. If a retired member is convicted of any crime as described in 5
U.S.C.
8312(b) after September 1, 1954, then payment is prohibited.
B. If a retired member is convicted of any crime as described in 5
U.S.C.
8312(c) after September 26, 1961, then payment is prohibited.

lllllllllllllllllll

Convictions Under Other Statutes
* A. An individual, or his or her survivor or beneficiary, may not be
paid
annuity or retired pay on the basis of the service of the individual
which is creditable toward the
annuity or retired pay, subject to the exceptions in 5 U.S.C. 8311(2)
and (3), if the individual
before, on, or after September 1, 1954:
1. Refuses, or knowingly and willfully fails to appear, testify, or
produce documents relating to his or her service as an employee,
before a Federal grand jury,
U. S. court, court-martial, or congressional committee, in a
proceeding concerning past or
present relationship with a foreign government; or a matter involving
or relating to a plan or
attempt to interfere with or endanger, the national security or
defense of the U. S., according to
5 U.S.C. 8314,
2. Knowingly and willfully makes false, fictitious, or fraudulent
statements or representations, concealing material facts concerning
his or her past or present
membership, affiliation, association with, or support of the Communist
Party, chapter, branch, or
subdivision, in or outside the U. S., or other organization, party, or
group advocating:
a. The overthrow, by force, violence, or other unconstitutional
means, of the Government of the United States; or
b. Establishment, by force, violence, or other unconstitutional
means, of a Communist totalitarian dictatorship in the United States;
or
c. The right to strike against the United States;
as stated in 5 U.S.C. 8315.
* B. The prohibition on payment of annuity or retired pay under
subparagraph
050203.A.1, applies to the period after the date of the failure or
refusal of the individual, or after
September 1, 1954, whichever is later.
C. Fines levied for convictions under other statutes may result in
debts to the
United States that may be collected in accordance with Chapter 28 of
this volume. However, they
do not affect a convicted member’s entitlement to receive retired pay.
d***@cox.net
2019-12-14 14:23:53 UTC
Permalink
Post by PatB
Post by Robert
Post by PatB
As such, the present debate is not over whether these individuals can
legally endorse a candidate, but whether they should engage in
partisan activities. The conduct of Lieutenant General (retired)
Flynn, General (retired) Allen, and other retired officers seems to
comport with existing law. But law aside, whether their political
participation is perceived as appropriate—by the public or by other
service members—remains an open question.
Very good, now you finally read some of it. How much I wouldn't know,
typically you read 1/10th or less of what you copy. But keep on going
on, there is a lot more, and some specifics also about the bad
conduct, some of which is directly related to you past actions here.
Sorry! EERRRRRCCCHHHHHHH!
You lose.
He always does.
Post by PatB
Next contestant please.
The discussion above was pertaining to general Flynn - who had lied to
the POTUS. And yet, he would never be prosecuted.
Bad Conduct?
Someone has fed you a bunch of shit.
he Herald-Tribune identified at least 455 ex-officers who collected or
are still collecting a pension despite losing their law enforcement
certificate.
Gandhi Lora is no longer a working officer, but the former Miami-Dade
cop still earns a state pension, which has paid him more than $500,000
since his law enforcement career ended in 2005.
The pension fund continues to pay him $7,200 each month - a decent
wage considering that Lora is a registered sex offender convicted of
possessing and promoting child pornography.
Every year, Florida’s Criminal Justice Standards and Training
Commission takes the law enforcement certificates of hundreds of
officers, ending their careers. But just because an officer loses his
or her badge, it does not necessarily mean a loss of pension benefits.
Existing laws protecting pensions are so strong that it is difficult
to strip someone of their benefits, even if that person lost their job
and their freedom after a felony conviction.
In a computer analysis that matched records from the state’s 22,000
officer misconduct cases with its list of participants in the Florida
Retirement System, the Herald-Tribune identified at least 455
ex-officers who collected or are still collecting a pension despite
losing their law enforcement certificate. The offenses that resulted
in the loss of their certificate included assault, burglary, sex with
inmates, smuggling contraband into prisons and sex offenses involving
children.
+++++++++++++
MILITARY RETIREMENT OVERVIEW
https://comptroller.defense.gov/Portals/45/documents/fmr/current/07b/Volume_07b.pdf
This section provides a general overview of the military retired pay
entitlement. Specific
details on eligibility, computation and payment are found in various
chapters of this volume.
retired pay for
regular service, retired pay for non-regular (reserve/guard) service,
and retired pay for physical
disability. With the exception of retirement for physical disability
and certain temporary
authorities for early retirement, a member must be credited with
completion of at least 20 years of
service in order to be eligible for retired/retainer pay. See Section
0102 for determining years of
service for retired/retainer pay eligibility.This section provides a
general overview of the military retired pay entitlement. Specific
details on eligibility, computation and payment are found in various
chapters of this volume.
retired pay for
regular service, retired pay for non-regular (reserve/guard) service,
and retired pay for physical
disability. With the exception of retirement for physical disability
and certain temporary
authorities for early retirement, a member must be credited with
completion of at least 20 years of
service in order to be eligible for retired/retainer pay. See Section
0102 for determining years of
service for retired/retainer pay eligibility.
A regular or reserve commissioned officer may voluntarily be
retired after completion of 20 years of active service, at least 10
years of which is active commissioned service.
+ Patrick was Regular., not reserve.
++++++++++++
– INITIAL ENTITLEMENTS-RETIREMENTS
0101 – MILITARY RETIREMENT OVERVIEW
010101 10 U.S.C. 1406, 1407, 1409
010102 10 U.S.C. 1406, 1407
010103 10 U.S.C. 1409
010103.B 10 U.S.C. 1401, Public Law 111-383, section 631
January 7, 2011
010105 Public Law 111-383, section 532
January 7, 2011
Public Law 102-484, section 4403
October 23, 1992
xxxxxxxxxxxx
Separation Pay. Separation Pay is a lump-sum payment to a member of
the Uniformed Services who is discharged involuntarily or released
from active duty and who does not qualify for retired pay. For more
information, see Volume 7A, Chapter 35.
+ You might ask matty how much they gave him....
xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
050102. Withholding Retired Pay
Retired pay may be withheld or forfeited when the employment falls
under certain
categories of activities prohibited under conflict-of-interest laws.
050103. Forfeiture of Annuities and Retired Pay
Although violation of conflict-of-interest laws may result in the
imposition of criminal
penalties (including fines and imprisonment) or administrative fines
and sanctions, entitlement to
military retired pay is directly affected only in circumstances
provided under subparagraphs A and
B of this paragraph and section 0502 of this chapter.
A. A retired Regular officer is convicted of “selling” during any
period prior to
October 13, 1994. “Selling,” as an activity under the
conflict-of-interest laws, is prohibited during
any time prior to October 13, 1994 under Title 18, United States Code,
section 281(a) (18 U.S.C
281(a)). A retired Regular officer may not, during the 2-year period
following retirement,
represent any person in the sale of anything to DoD in which the
officer holds retired status. This
2BDoD 7000.14-R Financial Management Regulation Volume 7B, Chapter 5
* July 2013
5-4
statute has been interpreted by the Department of Justice as
prohibiting a retired Regular officer
from representing any party other than himself or herself in
connection with a contract for the sale
of services or for the sale of supplies. Since an officer is
disqualified from holding any office, or
position of honor, trust, or profit of the United States (U.S.) as a
result of conviction, entitlement to
retired pay ceases.
Note: Title 18 U.S.C. 281(a) has been repealed.
B. The prohibition against selling has been broadly interpreted to
include
virtually all activities involved in the selling process and to apply
in any case reasonably within
the scope of the statute where the conduct at which it was directed
could arise.
kkkkkkkkkkkkkk
Entitlement to retired pay is directly affected when a retiree is
convicted of violating the Hiss Act, 5 U.S.C. 8311 – 8322.
*050202. Violation of 5 U.S.C. 8312
The receipt of retired pay by the retired member, or receipt of the
annuity by the retired member’s survivor or beneficiary is prohibited,
subject to certain exceptions described in section
A. If a retired member is convicted of any crime as described in 5
U.S.C.
8312(b) after September 1, 1954, then payment is prohibited.
B. If a retired member is convicted of any crime as described in 5
U.S.C.
8312(c) after September 26, 1961, then payment is prohibited.
lllllllllllllllllll
Convictions Under Other Statutes
* A. An individual, or his or her survivor or beneficiary, may not be
paid
annuity or retired pay on the basis of the service of the individual
which is creditable toward the
annuity or retired pay, subject to the exceptions in 5 U.S.C. 8311(2)
and (3), if the individual
1. Refuses, or knowingly and willfully fails to appear, testify, or
produce documents relating to his or her service as an employee,
before a Federal grand jury,
U. S. court, court-martial, or congressional committee, in a
proceeding concerning past or
present relationship with a foreign government; or a matter involving
or relating to a plan or
attempt to interfere with or endanger, the national security or
defense of the U. S., according to
5 U.S.C. 8314,
2. Knowingly and willfully makes false, fictitious, or fraudulent
statements or representations, concealing material facts concerning
his or her past or present
membership, affiliation, association with, or support of the Communist
Party, chapter, branch, or
subdivision, in or outside the U. S., or other organization, party, or
a. The overthrow, by force, violence, or other unconstitutional
means, of the Government of the United States; or
b. Establishment, by force, violence, or other unconstitutional
means, of a Communist totalitarian dictatorship in the United States;
or
c. The right to strike against the United States;
as stated in 5 U.S.C. 8315.
* B. The prohibition on payment of annuity or retired pay under
subparagraph
050203.A.1, applies to the period after the date of the failure or
refusal of the individual, or after
September 1, 1954, whichever is later.
C. Fines levied for convictions under other statutes may result in
debts to the
United States that may be collected in accordance with Chapter 28 of
this volume. However, they
do not affect a convicted member’s entitlement to receive retired pay.
the dukester, American-American
Robert
2019-12-14 16:40:46 UTC
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Post by PatB
As such, the present debate is not over whether these individuals can
legally endorse a candidate, but whether they should engage in
partisan activities. The conduct of Lieutenant General (retired)
Flynn, General (retired) Allen, and other retired officers seems to
comport with existing law. But law aside, whether their political
participation is perceived as appropriate—by the public or by other
service members—remains an open question.
Very good, now you finally read some of it. How much I wouldn't know,
typically you read 1/10th or less of what you copy. But keep on going
on, there is a lot more, and some specifics also about the bad
conduct, some of which is directly related to you past actions here.
Sorry! EERRRRRCCCHHHHHHH!
Sorry for you, my info came from the USAF
--
But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.
(Heb 11:6 KJV)
PatB
2019-12-14 17:07:15 UTC
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Post by PatB
Post by Robert
Post by PatB
As such, the present debate is not over whether these individuals can
legally endorse a candidate, but whether they should engage in
partisan activities. The conduct of Lieutenant General (retired)
Flynn, General (retired) Allen, and other retired officers seems to
comport with existing law. But law aside, whether their political
participation is perceived as appropriate—by the public or by other
service members—remains an open question.
Very good, now you finally read some of it. How much I wouldn't know,
typically you read 1/10th or less of what you copy. But keep on going
on, there is a lot more, and some specifics also about the bad
conduct, some of which is directly related to you past actions here.
Sorry! EERRRRRCCCHHHHHHH!
Sorry for you, my info came from the USAF
Prove it.
Reference it.
d***@cox.net
2019-12-14 20:37:25 UTC
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Post by Robert
Post by PatB
Post by Robert
Post by PatB
As such, the present debate is not over whether these individuals can
legally endorse a candidate, but whether they should engage in
partisan activities. The conduct of Lieutenant General (retired)
Flynn, General (retired) Allen, and other retired officers seems to
comport with existing law. But law aside, whether their political
participation is perceived as appropriate—by the public or by other
service members—remains an open question.
Very good, now you finally read some of it. How much I wouldn't know,
typically you read 1/10th or less of what you copy. But keep on going
on, there is a lot more, and some specifics also about the bad
conduct, some of which is directly related to you past actions here.
Sorry! EERRRRRCCCHHHHHHH!
Sorry for you, my info came from the USAF
Prove it.
Reference it.
He can't. He's lying thru and thru.
the dukester, American-American
Robert
2019-12-14 21:22:24 UTC
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Post by Robert
Post by PatB
Post by Robert
Post by PatB
As such, the present debate is not over whether these individuals can
legally endorse a candidate, but whether they should engage in
partisan activities. The conduct of Lieutenant General (retired)
Flynn, General (retired) Allen, and other retired officers seems to
comport with existing law. But law aside, whether their political
participation is perceived as appropriate—by the public or by other
service members—remains an open question.
Very good, now you finally read some of it. How much I wouldn't know,
typically you read 1/10th or less of what you copy. But keep on going
on, there is a lot more, and some specifics also about the bad
conduct, some of which is directly related to you past actions here.
Sorry! EERRRRRCCCHHHHHHH!
Sorry for you, my info came from the USAF
Prove it.
Reference it.
Been there done that, three times.
It wasn't important to you then and I know it still isn't.

I told you then, like I am mentioning now, if you lose the retirement
program your wife will also suffer the loss, it was for the sake of
your family I posted it.
--
But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.
(Heb 11:6 KJV)
PatB
2019-12-14 23:38:46 UTC
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Post by PatB
Post by Robert
Post by PatB
Post by Robert
Post by PatB
As such, the present debate is not over whether these individuals can
legally endorse a candidate, but whether they should engage in
partisan activities. The conduct of Lieutenant General (retired)
Flynn, General (retired) Allen, and other retired officers seems to
comport with existing law. But law aside, whether their political
participation is perceived as appropriate—by the public or by other
service members—remains an open question.
Very good, now you finally read some of it. How much I wouldn't know,
typically you read 1/10th or less of what you copy. But keep on going
on, there is a lot more, and some specifics also about the bad
conduct, some of which is directly related to you past actions here.
Sorry! EERRRRRCCCHHHHHHH!
Sorry for you, my info came from the USAF
Prove it.
Reference it.
Been there done that, three times.
It wasn't important to you then and I know it still isn't.
Stop lying.
I gave you a hint on where to look.
If you had followed up, you would be apologizing.
Post by Robert
I told you then, like I am mentioning now, if you lose the retirement
program your wife will also suffer the loss, it was for the sake of
your family I posted it.
You posted it because you want to try to bully me with bull shit.
Retired members of the military really have to screw up in order to be
pulled back into the service for a court marshall.
I cannot think of even one innstance where this happened.
Not one instance.
I do know of one Chief Master Sergeant who refused to retire after 27
years pf service - and he just quit instead. That was because he
refused to share his pension with his ex-wife - which she had attached
during their divorce. He got nothing. She got nuthin. And there
wasn't a thing she could do about it.

I also remember when an E-7 (Master Sergent) had gone on terminal
leave just before he was to retire. He -- claims-- he attended a
party during his leave where Mary Jane was being smoked.
Well, lo and behold, this guy's nae came up on a random drug test, and
was called in to pee in a bottle. He had already signed out of the
squadron, cleaned out his desk, and was ready to head out.
He was forced to come in for that random drug test.
He failed. MJ was found in his pee. His terminal leave was revoked,
he was brought back to duty, and bust busted from a E-7 to an E-3. He
spent 60 days in the brig and was given a general discharge and was
retired at one fourth the pay he expected.

Now - there are many MANY military retirees who have screws up after
retirement, and have been sent to jail. Guess what. They earned
their pensions, and cannot have it pulled.

So, robt....... FUCK OFF.
PatB
2019-12-14 23:40:11 UTC
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Post by PatB
Post by Robert
Sorry for you, my info came from the USAF
Prove it.
Reference it.
Been there done that, three times.
It wasn't important to you then and I know it still isn't.
I told you then, like I am mentioning now, if you lose the retirement
program your wife will also suffer the loss, it was for the sake of
your family I posted it.
You fuckin LIAR.
Look up:
https://comptroller.defense.gov/Portals/45/documents/fmr/current/07b/Volume_07b.pdf
Mattb
2019-12-13 20:02:17 UTC
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Post by Robert
Has he posted your churches address yet?
Why?
Would you like it?
Which one is yours, and who is your confessor/s.?
You first, dip.
Coward, if you were proud of your actions you would have nothing to
fear.
--
Post by PatB
Post by Robert
And no, I would not tell you where I go, because I know of your past
threats to me, as well as your mountain of lies and name calling. I
really wish I could say better of you and Earl, even the old lady who
posts here.
Why do you demand I post my personal Parish church here, when you
refuse to do the same? Ask matty for my address. Then look up the
Catholic Church that is closest to my house. That would be the parish
I am in. This is not a secret.
And you don't have to worry about me. I do not carry a gun. And I
have no intrention of seeking you out unless you decide to out or
insult my family members. You harm my family. I harm you.
You already threatened me,
LIAR.
I may have promised to make you pay for your insolence and your
harming of my family. Not threat. Promise.
Post by Robert
around the time you threatened Matt, the
first time, you were disappointed in that you could not find out
anything about me and tried to talk me into telling the world, even
after posting the things you would do to me.
Prove it.
And since you have decided not to pursue harm to my family, I have not
pursued finding you. I have already tricked you into telling us where
you live. Be nice, and I won't come after you. I confront bullies.
Will you pick up where you left off?
Yes you are trying that with me just today. Must really piss you off
that you have failed for over a year and all you had was
disinformation. You are good with the threats but lack the means or
skills to do much.
Post by PatB
Post by Robert
And what you posted was attempted intimidation with a threat
following. Good thing you snookered your kids about your online
posting, as they would be further ashamed of their sperm donor.
Was that another insult?
I thought you claimed to walk in the spirit.
Another example of how you are a big fuckin liar.
PatB
2019-12-13 23:02:06 UTC
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Post by PatB
And since you have decided not to pursue harm to my family, I have not
pursued finding you. I have already tricked you into telling us where
you live. Be nice, and I won't come after you. I confront bullies.
Will you pick up where you left off?
Yes you are trying that with me just today. Must really piss you off
that you have failed for over a year and all you had was
disinformation. You are good with the threats but lack the means or
skills to do much.
Do you really want to be outed?
I can't believe it.
Mattb
2019-12-14 03:47:09 UTC
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Post by Mattb
Post by PatB
And since you have decided not to pursue harm to my family, I have not
pursued finding you. I have already tricked you into telling us where
you live. Be nice, and I won't come after you. I confront bullies.
Will you pick up where you left off?
Yes you are trying that with me just today. Must really piss you off
that you have failed for over a year and all you had was
disinformation. You are good with the threats but lack the means or
skills to do much.
Do you really want to be outed?
If you can post truth go for it. I really have nothing to be
ashamed of.
Post by PatB
I can't believe it.
PatB
2019-12-14 06:00:49 UTC
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Post by PatB
Post by Mattb
Post by PatB
And since you have decided not to pursue harm to my family, I have not
pursued finding you. I have already tricked you into telling us where
you live. Be nice, and I won't come after you. I confront bullies.
Will you pick up where you left off?
Yes you are trying that with me just today. Must really piss you off
that you have failed for over a year and all you had was
disinformation. You are good with the threats but lack the means or
skills to do much.
Do you really want to be outed?
If you can post truth go for it. I really have nothing to be
ashamed of.
You have the opportunity here to leave without losing any more
dignity. Or, you may continue to post facts about my family and have
your own life exposed. Is this REALLY what you want?
I can start with just a few facts…..
Pat - spent 28+ years in the USAF - was promoted 10 times.
Matt - spent less than 4 years in the Navy. Was denied re-enlistment.
Pat - has been happily married to his bride for 50+ years.
Matt - is divorced, and gets to see his kids maybe once each year.
Pat - owns a comfortable home.
Matt - lives in a barn (equipment shed) as a caretaker. It has a
bathroom. (And Kitchenette)
Pat - has 2 wonderful children, both with advanced college degrees,
fully employed with 2 kids each.
Matt - we know what you claim about your daughter. You refuse to
discuss your son because you don't have much time to visit him on
visiting days.
Pat's Dad served during WWII, died a few years ago in Texas.
Matt's dad is a Tier 2 sex offender who lives close to matty, his son.
++++++
Do we really want to go on?
About your ex-wife?
Your divorce decree?
Why you hate Catholics and the Annulment process?
Why you claim you have a relationship with the local priest there?
(Through Annulment)
What your daughter really is doing? Or your son?
Why you claim to be part Indian, but can't prove it?
Where your mom is buried near Squaw Humpers Table in SD?
What you really do for a living?
Why you are so attached to your "desert eagle?"
++++++
Do we really want to go on?
Shall we discuss the car you drive vs the car your ex drives?
Or why you don't have ANY property in your name?
Or why your security license was revoked?
+++++=
Wait, wait, I think I hear larry calling.
Go answer the phone…..
Mattb
2019-12-14 07:59:40 UTC
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Post by Mattb
Post by PatB
Post by Mattb
Post by PatB
And since you have decided not to pursue harm to my family, I have not
pursued finding you. I have already tricked you into telling us where
you live. Be nice, and I won't come after you. I confront bullies.
Will you pick up where you left off?
Yes you are trying that with me just today. Must really piss you off
that you have failed for over a year and all you had was
disinformation. You are good with the threats but lack the means or
skills to do much.
Do you really want to be outed?
If you can post truth go for it. I really have nothing to be
ashamed of.
You have the opportunity here to leave without losing any more
dignity. Or, you may continue to post facts about my family and have
your own life exposed. Is this REALLY what you want?
I can start with just a few facts…..
Pat - spent 28+ years in the USAF - was promoted 10 times.
Matt - spent less than 4 years in the Navy. Was denied re-enlistment.
This isn't true and how could you know since you don't even know my
full name.
Post by PatB
Pat - has been happily married to his bride for 50+ years.
Matt - is divorced, and gets to see his kids maybe once each year.
This is a lie as how could you know such a thing and I am still
married and never even considered a divorce.
Post by PatB
Pat - owns a comfortable home.
Matt - lives in a barn (equipment shed) as a caretaker. It has a
bathroom. (And Kitchenette)
Another lie. I have a Barn with a full kitchen and a full bath that
is converted for entertaining I do not live in it.
Post by PatB
Pat - has 2 wonderful children, both with advanced college degrees,
fully employed with 2 kids each.
Matt - we know what you claim about your daughter. You refuse to
discuss your son because you don't have much time to visit him on
visiting days.
Another lie. My son just graduated from college and is here at the
moment.
Post by PatB
Pat's Dad served during WWII, died a few years ago in Texas.
Matt's dad is a Tier 2 sex offender who lives close to matty, his son.
Another lie. My Father passed away over a decade ago and never lived
in Washington State
Post by PatB
++++++
Do we really want to go on?
About your ex-wife?
Don't have one so should be interesting.
Post by PatB
Your divorce decree?
See above.
Post by PatB
Why you hate Catholics and the Annulment process?
I do not hate Catholics just dislike fundamentalist of any type and I
could care less about the Annulment process since I am and have never
been Catholic.
Post by PatB
Why you claim you have a relationship with the local priest there?
I know him and work with him from time to time,
Post by PatB
(Through Annulment)
Another lie
Post by PatB
What your daughter really is doing? Or your son?
Posted that before. Son just graduated from college and Daughter is
attending school near your daughter.
Post by PatB
Why you claim to be part Indian, but can't prove it?
I could prove it by why do I need to?
Post by PatB
Where your mom is buried near Squaw Humpers Table in SD?
That is a lie just a racist derogatory thing you made up.
Post by PatB
What you really do for a living?
Why do you need to know? I told you what I do.
Post by PatB
Why you are so attached to your "desert eagle?"
Not to attached as it hasn't been out of the safe for over a year.
Post by PatB
++++++
Do we really want to go on?
Yes please do.
Post by PatB
Shall we discuss the car you drive vs the car your ex drives?
Yes how can you know that as you don't even know my full name just
my middle and last.
Post by PatB
Or why you don't have ANY property in your name?
How can you know as I have shown you don't know my full name. Though
thanks for admitting you have been looking.
Post by PatB
Or why your security license was revoked?
That isn't true I was licensed to teach weapons safety and use in
Florida and moved it has expired. Not the same thing. I'm still
fully licensed to do my job in the USA and other places..

You are fishing and so far are totally lacking in facts.

Now what we have seen is you do not know my first name but say you
hae had access to my military, Educational, employment and land
ownership records. How did you do this???

Now here you have talked about me, my wife and kids even though not
truthfully I now feel free to post all on yours and mine will be
accurate..

Now what is my full name? If you can't answer that then you will be
known as a liar.
Post by PatB
+++++=
Wait, wait, I think I hear larry calling.
Go answer the phone…..
PatB
2019-12-14 09:05:34 UTC
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Now what is my full name? If you can't answer that then you will be
known as a liar.
Are you having fun yet?
Mattb
2019-12-14 18:47:22 UTC
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Post by Mattb
Now what is my full name? If you can't answer that then you will be
known as a liar.
Are you having fun yet?
Then you are nothing but a liar and now all can see that is all you
have.
PatB
2019-12-14 19:09:11 UTC
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Post by PatB
Post by Mattb
Now what is my full name? If you can't answer that then you will be
known as a liar.
Are you having fun yet?
Then you are nothing but a liar and now all can see that is all you
have.
Let the lurkers decide for themselves.
My life is an open book.
And you are ashamed of your past.
Mattb
2019-12-14 19:28:33 UTC
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Post by Mattb
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Post by Mattb
Now what is my full name? If you can't answer that then you will be
known as a liar.
Are you having fun yet?
Then you are nothing but a liar and now all can see that is all you
have.
Let the lurkers decide for themselves.
Yes let them see all Patrick Barker has to defend the fake
teachings is the personal attack and then he bitches because he can't
find any dirt on poster.
Post by PatB
My life is an open book.
And you are ashamed of your past.
Nope. If I told you good you say it is a lie you just want dirt as
that is all you have to defend the evil. You posted a full page of
lies and still can't tell people my name so tell us how did you get
this information and please don't say I leaked it.
PatB
2019-12-14 20:23:31 UTC
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Post by PatB
Post by Mattb
Post by PatB
Post by Mattb
Now what is my full name? If you can't answer that then you will be
known as a liar.
Are you having fun yet?
Then you are nothing but a liar and now all can see that is all you
have.
Let the lurkers decide for themselves.
Yes let them see all Patrick Barker has to defend the fake
teachings is the personal attack and then he bitches because he can't
find any dirt on poster.
Post by PatB
My life is an open book.
And you are ashamed of your past.
Nope. If I told you good you say it is a lie you just want dirt as
that is all you have to defend the evil. You posted a full page of
lies and still can't tell people my name so tell us how did you get
this information and please don't say I leaked it.
You did leak it.
I am not the one who mentioned Concrete, Red Shirt, eagle, etc.
That was you. You mentioned Florida, trip to Maine, and relatives in
Missoula. I didn't make that up. I didn't mention yer pal, the
priest, ] WEBER SARAH ELIZABETH, " 360-424-4550, Annie, Julie,
or Todd. Private Security, Security and Investigations and Personal
Security, ***@gmail.com, Matt Brooks, matt.brooks.98622,


Look. I have no desire to continue.
Just stop lying about who you are and how you never leaked anything.
Mattb
2019-12-14 22:07:47 UTC
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Post by Mattb
Post by PatB
Post by Mattb
Post by PatB
Post by Mattb
Now what is my full name? If you can't answer that then you will be
known as a liar.
Are you having fun yet?
Then you are nothing but a liar and now all can see that is all you
have.
Let the lurkers decide for themselves.
Yes let them see all Patrick Barker has to defend the fake
teachings is the personal attack and then he bitches because he can't
find any dirt on poster.
Post by PatB
My life is an open book.
And you are ashamed of your past.
Nope. If I told you good you say it is a lie you just want dirt as
that is all you have to defend the evil. You posted a full page of
lies and still can't tell people my name so tell us how did you get
this information and please don't say I leaked it.
You did leak it.
I am not the one who mentioned Concrete, Red Shirt, eagle, etc.
Yes I mentioned Concrete and that my Parents are buried south of Red
Shirt, though not near Squaw Humper's Table, and that when you
threatened to visit with your expert weapons skills and throwdown I'd
be waiting IN MY YARD with my Eagle.
Post by PatB
That was you. You mentioned Florida, trip to Maine, and relatives in
Missoula.
Yes I did these things.
Post by PatB
I didn't make that up. I didn't mention yer pal, the
priest, ] WEBER SARAH ELIZABETH, " 360-424-4550, Annie, Julie,
or Todd.
I have worked with the priest why is that so hard for you to believe
are to your priest limited to only helping Catholics?

Don't know who this WEBER SARAH ELIZABETH is,

The phone number is to a Julia Brooks no relation and a women I have
never met.

Annie, Julie and Todd I do not know who they are.
Post by PatB
Private Security, Security and Investigations and Personal
What I do is basically correct, though that zip code is way off.
Post by PatB
Look. I have no desire to continue.
Go ahead so far most of it is very basic or out and out
deceptions/lies.
Post by PatB
Just stop lying about who you are and how you never leaked anything.
I'm not lying just not helping you and you seem to lack the skills to
find facts. Then truth doesn't matter to you it seems.
PatB
2019-12-14 23:42:44 UTC
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Post by PatB
Post by Mattb
Nope. If I told you good you say it is a lie you just want dirt as
that is all you have to defend the evil. You posted a full page of
lies and still can't tell people my name so tell us how did you get
this information and please don't say I leaked it.
You did leak it.
I am not the one who mentioned Concrete, Red Shirt, eagle, etc.
Yes I mentioned Concrete and that my Parents are buried south of Red
Shirt, though not near Squaw Humper's Table, and that when you
threatened to visit with your expert weapons skills and throwdown I'd
be waiting IN MY YARD with my Eagle.
Post by PatB
That was you. You mentioned Florida, trip to Maine, and relatives in
Missoula.
Yes I did these things.
Post by PatB
I didn't make that up. I didn't mention yer pal, the
priest, ] WEBER SARAH ELIZABETH, " 360-424-4550, Annie, Julie,
or Todd.
I have worked with the priest why is that so hard for you to believe
are to your priest limited to only helping Catholics?
Don't know who this WEBER SARAH ELIZABETH is,
The phone number is to a Julia Brooks no relation and a women I have
never met.
Annie, Julie and Todd I do not know who they are.
Oh stop it.
Robert
2019-12-15 01:41:55 UTC
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Post by Mattb
Post by PatB
Post by Mattb
Nope. If I told you good you say it is a lie you just want dirt as
that is all you have to defend the evil. You posted a full page of
lies and still can't tell people my name so tell us how did you get
this information and please don't say I leaked it.
You did leak it.
I am not the one who mentioned Concrete, Red Shirt, eagle, etc.
Yes I mentioned Concrete and that my Parents are buried south of Red
Shirt, though not near Squaw Humper's Table, and that when you
threatened to visit with your expert weapons skills and throwdown I'd
be waiting IN MY YARD with my Eagle.
Post by PatB
That was you. You mentioned Florida, trip to Maine, and relatives in
Missoula.
Yes I did these things.
Post by PatB
I didn't make that up. I didn't mention yer pal, the
priest, ] WEBER SARAH ELIZABETH, " 360-424-4550, Annie, Julie,
or Todd.
I have worked with the priest why is that so hard for you to believe
are to your priest limited to only helping Catholics?
Don't know who this WEBER SARAH ELIZABETH is,
The phone number is to a Julia Brooks no relation and a women I have
never met.
Annie, Julie and Todd I do not know who they are.
Oh stop it.
He has been consistent in his denials, as well as his public
acknowledgments.

You do not care about truth and so repeat your lies, just as others do
here, over and over again.

How many years were you in the USAF and never got above the rank of
Captain while on active duty?
--
But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.
(Heb 11:6 KJV)
PatB
2019-12-15 02:30:35 UTC
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Post by PatB
Post by Mattb
Post by PatB
Post by Mattb
Nope. If I told you good you say it is a lie you just want dirt as
that is all you have to defend the evil. You posted a full page of
lies and still can't tell people my name so tell us how did you get
this information and please don't say I leaked it.
You did leak it.
I am not the one who mentioned Concrete, Red Shirt, eagle, etc.
Yes I mentioned Concrete and that my Parents are buried south of Red
Shirt, though not near Squaw Humper's Table, and that when you
threatened to visit with your expert weapons skills and throwdown I'd
be waiting IN MY YARD with my Eagle.
Post by PatB
That was you. You mentioned Florida, trip to Maine, and relatives in
Missoula.
Yes I did these things.
Post by PatB
I didn't make that up. I didn't mention yer pal, the
priest, ] WEBER SARAH ELIZABETH, " 360-424-4550, Annie, Julie,
or Todd.
I have worked with the priest why is that so hard for you to believe
are to your priest limited to only helping Catholics?
Don't know who this WEBER SARAH ELIZABETH is,
The phone number is to a Julia Brooks no relation and a women I have
never met.
Annie, Julie and Todd I do not know who they are.
Oh stop it.
He has been consistent in his denials, as well as his public
acknowledgments.
So what?
Would you want to admit your father is a Tier 2 Sexual predator, who
has to register with the Sheriff's office every 6 months?
He doesn't wish to admit it because he has shown himself to be a self
righteous crusader against Catholic priests who abused children last
century.
Post by Robert
You do not care about truth and so repeat your lies, just as others do
here, over and over again.
Pot, kettle, black
Post by Robert
How many years were you in the USAF and never got above the rank of
Captain while on active duty?
See.... Now why are you making shit up?
Are you ashamed of your own life also?
I spent 28+ years in the USAF, and was promoted 10 times.
And I am very comfortable with my pension and social security.
Do you want to know more?
Either ask matty -- I've told him before - or ask me.
My life is an open book. Is yours?
I live in Dayton OH. Where do you live?
My name is Patrick Barker. What is yours?

Why are you ashamed of telling us about yourself?
Mattb
2019-12-15 03:52:25 UTC
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Post by Robert
Post by PatB
Post by Mattb
Post by PatB
Post by Mattb
Nope. If I told you good you say it is a lie you just want dirt as
that is all you have to defend the evil. You posted a full page of
lies and still can't tell people my name so tell us how did you get
this information and please don't say I leaked it.
You did leak it.
I am not the one who mentioned Concrete, Red Shirt, eagle, etc.
Yes I mentioned Concrete and that my Parents are buried south of Red
Shirt, though not near Squaw Humper's Table, and that when you
threatened to visit with your expert weapons skills and throwdown I'd
be waiting IN MY YARD with my Eagle.
Post by PatB
That was you. You mentioned Florida, trip to Maine, and relatives in
Missoula.
Yes I did these things.
Post by PatB
I didn't make that up. I didn't mention yer pal, the
priest, ] WEBER SARAH ELIZABETH, " 360-424-4550, Annie, Julie,
or Todd.
I have worked with the priest why is that so hard for you to believe
are to your priest limited to only helping Catholics?
Don't know who this WEBER SARAH ELIZABETH is,
The phone number is to a Julia Brooks no relation and a women I have
never met.
Annie, Julie and Todd I do not know who they are.
Oh stop it.
He has been consistent in his denials, as well as his public
acknowledgments.
So what?
Would you want to admit your father is a Tier 2 Sexual predator, who
has to register with the Sheriff's office every 6 months?
If it were true I'd admit that. You made it up as something to use
to defend the pedophilia within the RCC. That is what you do
attempt to intimidate and that is something you have admitted and ever
bragged about doing.
Post by PatB
He doesn't wish to admit it because he has shown himself to be a self
righteous crusader against Catholic priests who abused children last
century.
Do you have a problem with people who oppose the abuse of Children
and find it even more abhorrent when done by so called men of God and
then even worse when the Institution such as the RCC aid not only in
the cover up but moves the pedophiles around giving them fresh
victims.
Post by PatB
Post by Robert
You do not care about truth and so repeat your lies, just as others do
here, over and over again.
Pot, kettle, black
Post by Robert
How many years were you in the USAF and never got above the rank of
Captain while on active duty?
See.... Now why are you making shit up?
Are you ashamed of your own life also?
I spent 28+ years in the USAF, and was promoted 10 times.
Some times so they could promote you and get rid of you.
Post by PatB
And I am very comfortable with my pension and social security.
LOL
Post by PatB
Do you want to know more?
Either ask matty -- I've told him before - or ask me.
My life is an open book. Is yours?
I live in Dayton OH. Where do you live?
My name is Patrick Barker. What is yours?
Patrick wants to dig up dirt and if he can't will make shit up.
Patrick Barker is a true example of a "Good Catholic" well
fundamentalist Catholic as described by the Pope

Fundamentalist Catholic
https://catholicherald.co.uk/news/2015/11/30/pope-francis-says-he-is-not-losing-any-sleep-over-vatican-leaks-trial/
Pope Francis criticises ‘fundamentalist’ Catholics
Pontiff. “We Catholics have some — and not some, many — who believe
they possess the absolute truth and go ahead dirtying the other with
calumny, with disinformation, and doing evil. They do evil. I say this
because it is my Church.”

Even his own Pope says his kind do evil.

I'd say his post on me was a good example of " dirtying the other
with calumny, with disinformation, and doing evil" even gets Earl/Duke
to help..
Post by PatB
Why are you ashamed of telling us about yourself?
PatB
2019-12-15 06:12:00 UTC
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Post by Mattb
Post by PatB
Post by Robert
Post by PatB
Post by Mattb
Post by PatB
Post by Mattb
Nope. If I told you good you say it is a lie you just want dirt as
that is all you have to defend the evil. You posted a full page of
lies and still can't tell people my name so tell us how did you get
this information and please don't say I leaked it.
You did leak it.
I am not the one who mentioned Concrete, Red Shirt, eagle, etc.
Yes I mentioned Concrete and that my Parents are buried south of Red
Shirt, though not near Squaw Humper's Table, and that when you
threatened to visit with your expert weapons skills and throwdown I'd
be waiting IN MY YARD with my Eagle.
Post by PatB
That was you. You mentioned Florida, trip to Maine, and relatives in
Missoula.
Yes I did these things.
Post by PatB
I didn't make that up. I didn't mention yer pal, the
priest, ] WEBER SARAH ELIZABETH, " 360-424-4550, Annie, Julie,
or Todd.
I have worked with the priest why is that so hard for you to believe
are to your priest limited to only helping Catholics?
Don't know who this WEBER SARAH ELIZABETH is,
The phone number is to a Julia Brooks no relation and a women I have
never met.
Annie, Julie and Todd I do not know who they are.
Oh stop it.
He has been consistent in his denials, as well as his public
acknowledgments.
So what?
Would you want to admit your father is a Tier 2 Sexual predator, who
has to register with the Sheriff's office every 6 months?
If it were true I'd admit that. You made it up as something to use
to defend the pedophilia within the RCC. That is what you do
attempt to intimidate and that is something you have admitted and ever
bragged about doing.
O have never defended any pedo or any cover-up.
Pedo's need to be prosecuted to the full extent of the law.
The cover-up - It sucks. It happened. But I will never admit that
it was done in order to harm more children. That is a stupid cover
that catholic bashers like to claim.
Post by Mattb
Post by PatB
He doesn't wish to admit it because he has shown himself to be a self
righteous crusader against Catholic priests who abused children last
century.
Do you have a problem with people who oppose the abuse of Children
Of that were only it, I would have no problem with you.
You go well beyond this criticsim, and you claim we defend it.
Post by Mattb
and find it even more abhorrent when done by so called men of God and
* Judges, copsm teachers, coaches, etc......
Post by Mattb
then even worse when the Institution such as the RCC aid not only in
the cover up but moves the pedophiles around giving them fresh
victims.
Bad decisions - last century.
Get over it.
The RCC has re-evaluated their actions, fixed the procedures and they
have moved on - when will you?
Post by Mattb
Post by PatB
Post by Robert
How many years were you in the USAF and never got above the rank of
Captain while on active duty?
See.... Now why are you making shit up?
Are you ashamed of your own life also?
I spent 28+ years in the USAF, and was promoted 10 times.
Some times so they could promote you and get rid of you.
Why did they deny your re-enlistment?
Post by Mattb
I'd say his post on me was a good example of " dirtying the other
with calumny, with disinformation, and doing evil" even gets Earl/Duke
to help..
My post on you indicates you shouldn't thow stones unless you are
without sin.
Mattb
2019-12-15 21:12:18 UTC
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Post by PatB
Post by Mattb
Post by PatB
Post by Robert
Post by PatB
Post by Mattb
Post by PatB
Post by Mattb
Nope. If I told you good you say it is a lie you just want dirt as
that is all you have to defend the evil. You posted a full page of
lies and still can't tell people my name so tell us how did you get
this information and please don't say I leaked it.
You did leak it.
I am not the one who mentioned Concrete, Red Shirt, eagle, etc.
Yes I mentioned Concrete and that my Parents are buried south of Red
Shirt, though not near Squaw Humper's Table, and that when you
threatened to visit with your expert weapons skills and throwdown I'd
be waiting IN MY YARD with my Eagle.
Post by PatB
That was you. You mentioned Florida, trip to Maine, and relatives in
Missoula.
Yes I did these things.
Post by PatB
I didn't make that up. I didn't mention yer pal, the
priest, ] WEBER SARAH ELIZABETH, " 360-424-4550, Annie, Julie,
or Todd.
I have worked with the priest why is that so hard for you to believe
are to your priest limited to only helping Catholics?
Don't know who this WEBER SARAH ELIZABETH is,
The phone number is to a Julia Brooks no relation and a women I have
never met.
Annie, Julie and Todd I do not know who they are.
Oh stop it.
He has been consistent in his denials, as well as his public
acknowledgments.
So what?
Would you want to admit your father is a Tier 2 Sexual predator, who
has to register with the Sheriff's office every 6 months?
If it were true I'd admit that. You made it up as something to use
to defend the pedophilia within the RCC. That is what you do
attempt to intimidate and that is something you have admitted and ever
bragged about doing.
O have never defended any pedo or any cover-up.
Yes you have and many have remarked on it.
Post by PatB
Pedo's need to be prosecuted to the full extent of the law.
Very true and yet the RCC covered up for many while they lived.
Post by PatB
The cover-up - It sucks. It happened. But I will never admit that
it was done in order to harm more children. That is a stupid cover
that catholic bashers like to claim.
Why else did they not only cover it up but intentionally move these
men to places where there were kids and at times disabled kids.
Post by PatB
Post by Mattb
Post by PatB
He doesn't wish to admit it because he has shown himself to be a self
righteous crusader against Catholic priests who abused children last
century.
Do you have a problem with people who oppose the abuse of Children
Of that were only it, I would have no problem with you.
Most the articles I post do not have a comment by me just let the
article and the readers decide.
Post by PatB
You go well beyond this criticsim, and you claim we defend it.
You do defend it as many have remarked on.
Post by PatB
Post by Mattb
and find it even more abhorrent when done by so called men of God and
* Judges, copsm teachers, coaches, etc......
They are not people who claim to be men of God or Holy orders.
Post by PatB
Post by Mattb
then even worse when the Institution such as the RCC aid not only in
the cover up but moves the pedophiles around giving them fresh
victims.
Bad decisions - last century.
Get over it.
The RCC has re-evaluated their actions, fixed the procedures and they
have moved on - when will you?
All they have done is public relations no true actions.
Post by PatB
Post by Mattb
Post by PatB
Post by Robert
How many years were you in the USAF and never got above the rank of
Captain while on active duty?
See.... Now why are you making shit up?
Are you ashamed of your own life also?
I spent 28+ years in the USAF, and was promoted 10 times.
Some times so they could promote you and get rid of you.
Why did they deny your re-enlistment?
That is just another one of your lies. Without my full name how
could you know anything about my military career.
Post by PatB
Post by Mattb
I'd say his post on me was a good example of " dirtying the other
with calumny, with disinformation, and doing evil" even gets Earl/Duke
to help..
My post on you indicates you shouldn't thow stones unless you are
without sin.
I am with sin but you believe that gives you a reason to lie in the
name of the RCC?

Then names addresses, employment and phones I have posted have been
truthful.
Robert
2019-12-15 05:51:35 UTC
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Post by PatB
Post by Robert
He has been consistent in his denials, as well as his public
acknowledgments.
So what?
Would you want to admit your father is a Tier 2 Sexual predator, who
has to register with the Sheriff's office every 6 months?
He doesn't wish to admit it because he has shown himself to be a self
righteous crusader against Catholic priests who abused children last
century.
You have yet to prove that, and what you just suggested is defamatory
and is subject to a legal complaint, and totally against the MJS of
the USAF for your actions as well as being federally illegal, not just
local state laws.

So I would suggest to you that you provide proof will before you might
be required to go to court to prove it for your own defense.

You have flat out suggested that what you said is truth. and In the
end of all things you will be held accountable for it. Fact is, if
Matt privately forgives you before God for these types of actions, and
turns it over to the Lord, en total, then the Lord has said,
"Vengeance is Mine, saith the Lord, I will repay"

It is a terrible thing to be in his hands that way, but it is
scriptural, so you now know. Ignorance of scripture is of no excuse.
--
But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.
(Heb 11:6 KJV)
PatB
2019-12-15 11:49:12 UTC
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Post by Robert
Post by PatB
Post by Robert
He has been consistent in his denials, as well as his public
acknowledgments.
So what?
Would you want to admit your father is a Tier 2 Sexual predator, who
has to register with the Sheriff's office every 6 months?
He doesn't wish to admit it because he has shown himself to be a self
righteous crusader against Catholic priests who abused children last
century.
You have yet to prove that, and what you just suggested is defamatory
and is subject to a legal complaint, and totally against the MJS of
the USAF for your actions as well as being federally illegal, not just
local state laws.
Do something about it, cowboy!
Stop whining and be the man.
You're a wuss - full of shit.
Post by Robert
So I would suggest to you that you provide proof will before you might
be required to go to court to prove it for your own defense.
No.
So what are you going to do about it, weasel?
Post by Robert
You have flat out suggested that what you said is truth. and In the
end of all things you will be held accountable for it. Fact is, if
Matt privately forgives you before God for these types of actions, and
turns it over to the Lord, en total, then the Lord has said,
"Vengeance is Mine, saith the Lord, I will repay"
I don't need forgiveness - And the Lord knows exactly what I do.
Post by Robert
It is a terrible thing to be in his hands that way, but it is
scriptural, so you now know. Ignorance of scripture is of no excuse.
Troll. Do something.
Robert
2019-12-15 17:36:41 UTC
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Post by PatB
Post by Robert
Post by PatB
Post by Robert
He has been consistent in his denials, as well as his public
acknowledgments.
So what?
Would you want to admit your father is a Tier 2 Sexual predator, who
has to register with the Sheriff's office every 6 months?
He doesn't wish to admit it because he has shown himself to be a self
righteous crusader against Catholic priests who abused children last
century.
You have yet to prove that, and what you just suggested is defamatory
and is subject to a legal complaint, and totally against the MJS of
the USAF for your actions as well as being federally illegal, not just
local state laws.
Do something about it, cowboy!
Stop whining and be the man.
You're a wuss - full of shit.
It isn't my place to do so, it is Matt's.
But I can be a witness to your actions as your own words posted in
these NG's are.

HAND!
--
But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.
(Heb 11:6 KJV)
Mattb
2019-12-15 21:13:35 UTC
Permalink
Post by PatB
Post by Robert
Post by PatB
Post by Robert
He has been consistent in his denials, as well as his public
acknowledgments.
So what?
Would you want to admit your father is a Tier 2 Sexual predator, who
has to register with the Sheriff's office every 6 months?
He doesn't wish to admit it because he has shown himself to be a self
righteous crusader against Catholic priests who abused children last
century.
You have yet to prove that, and what you just suggested is defamatory
and is subject to a legal complaint, and totally against the MJS of
the USAF for your actions as well as being federally illegal, not just
local state laws.
Do something about it, cowboy!
Stop whining and be the man.
You're a wuss - full of shit.
Patrick you are a Wuss and a liar.
Post by PatB
Post by Robert
So I would suggest to you that you provide proof will before you might
be required to go to court to prove it for your own defense.
No.
So what are you going to do about it, weasel?
Post by Robert
You have flat out suggested that what you said is truth. and In the
end of all things you will be held accountable for it. Fact is, if
Matt privately forgives you before God for these types of actions, and
turns it over to the Lord, en total, then the Lord has said,
"Vengeance is Mine, saith the Lord, I will repay"
I don't need forgiveness - And the Lord knows exactly what I do.
Post by Robert
It is a terrible thing to be in his hands that way, but it is
scriptural, so you now know. Ignorance of scripture is of no excuse.
Troll. Do something.
Mattb
2019-12-15 03:33:27 UTC
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Post by PatB
Post by Mattb
Post by PatB
Post by Mattb
Nope. If I told you good you say it is a lie you just want dirt as
that is all you have to defend the evil. You posted a full page of
lies and still can't tell people my name so tell us how did you get
this information and please don't say I leaked it.
You did leak it.
I am not the one who mentioned Concrete, Red Shirt, eagle, etc.
Yes I mentioned Concrete and that my Parents are buried south of Red
Shirt, though not near Squaw Humper's Table, and that when you
threatened to visit with your expert weapons skills and throwdown I'd
be waiting IN MY YARD with my Eagle.
Post by PatB
That was you. You mentioned Florida, trip to Maine, and relatives in
Missoula.
Yes I did these things.
Post by PatB
I didn't make that up. I didn't mention yer pal, the
priest, ] WEBER SARAH ELIZABETH, " 360-424-4550, Annie, Julie,
or Todd.
I have worked with the priest why is that so hard for you to believe
are to your priest limited to only helping Catholics?
Don't know who this WEBER SARAH ELIZABETH is,
The phone number is to a Julia Brooks no relation and a women I have
never met.
Annie, Julie and Todd I do not know who they are.
Oh stop it.
Patrick you posted Julia's number as far as I am concerned call her
you will find she does not know me.

Why do you need to lie?
d***@cox.net
2019-12-12 14:24:23 UTC
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Post by Mattb
Post by d***@cox.net
Post by Mattb
Post by d***@cox.net
Post by Mattb
Full benefit of Salvation is only through the Roman Catholic Church
"For it is only through Christ's Catholic Church, which is "the
all-embracing means of salvation," that they can benefit fully from
the means of salvation,," (Vatican 2, Decree on Ecumenism, 3).
I wonder if larry sees the term "benefit fully". Clearly "NO" other Christian
or non-Christian or prot Church in the world offers the Catholic Church gifts of
the Holy Mass, 7 sacraments and the teachings of the Vatican and Pope.
They (RCC) offer much in the ways of lies and pedophilia, as you see
in Patrick Barker and Earl Weber.
Why lies, larry, when they are clearly spelled out in the NT scripture?
Then show us this evidence and Catechism of the Catholic Church are
alone not evidence but propaganda.
Talk to your prot buddies. They are the ones that walked away from the
teachings given by Jesus Christ in place for 1600 years when the prot
reformation took place.
Post by Mattb
Post by d***@cox.net
Post by Mattb
Post by d***@cox.net
Who made that choice? Clearly not God nor his Son nor the Catholic Church, but
only those that chose another path to live.
Don't fault us for your own mistakes.
Take the RC sacrament of Confession.
John 20:22-23 New International Version (NIV)
22 And with that he breathed on them and said, “Receive the Holy Spirit. 23 If
you forgive anyone’s sins, their sins are forgiven; if you do not forgive them,
they are not forgiven.”
Don't see it limited to Catholic.
It's the very first teachings by Jesus on the afternoon of his resurrection to
his followers who became the keys in the new Christian Church in formation.
Yet again don't see it limited to Catholic.
Then I call your attention to my comment above which confirms that the prots
voted against and waked away form the teachings of Jesus Christ 1600 years
previously.
Post by Mattb
Post by d***@cox.net
Of course, it is the protest_ant church that, 1600 years later, elected to form
up to then ignore the 7 sacraments given by the resurrected Lord.
There were protestant Churches of a type before the RCC
They were not even Christian. They were heretical in beliefs, such as:

Arianism
christian theology
an influential heresy denying the divinity of Christ, originating with the
Alexandrian priest Arius (c.250–c.336). Arianism maintained that the Son of God
was created by the Father and was therefore neither coeternal with the Father,
nor consubstantial.

John 1:1 1In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word
was God.

[[that should curl repete's hair on his head, if he has any]]
Post by Mattb
just
murdered then and used intimidation also to destroy them. Your
founder Constantine used taxation even and then gave the property to
the RCC.
Did they also take away their free circus tickets?
Post by Mattb
Post by d***@cox.net
Post by Mattb
Post by d***@cox.net
Take the RC sacrament of Holy Eucharist.
John 6:54-57 New International Version (NIV)
54 Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise
them up at the last day. 55 For my flesh is real food and my blood is real
drink. 56 Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood remains in me, and I in
them. 57 Just as the living Father sent me and I live because of the Father, so
the one who feeds on me will live because of me.
the dukester, American-American
This isn't required for Salvation.
Thanks, but I'm going with Jesus on this one.
The RCC is not Jesus.
Jesus is God.
Post by Mattb
Post by d***@cox.net
It's hard to ignore the
stipulation that "the one that feeds on me will live BECAUSE OF ME."
The RCC is not God.
It was Jesus that said "the one that feeds on me will live BECAUSE OF ME."

the dukester, American-American
Mattb
2019-12-12 21:13:21 UTC
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Post by d***@cox.net
Post by Mattb
Post by d***@cox.net
Post by Mattb
Post by d***@cox.net
Post by Mattb
Full benefit of Salvation is only through the Roman Catholic Church
"For it is only through Christ's Catholic Church, which is "the
all-embracing means of salvation," that they can benefit fully from
the means of salvation,," (Vatican 2, Decree on Ecumenism, 3).
I wonder if larry sees the term "benefit fully". Clearly "NO" other Christian
or non-Christian or prot Church in the world offers the Catholic Church gifts of
the Holy Mass, 7 sacraments and the teachings of the Vatican and Pope.
They (RCC) offer much in the ways of lies and pedophilia, as you see
in Patrick Barker and Earl Weber.
Why lies, larry, when they are clearly spelled out in the NT scripture?
Then show us this evidence and Catechism of the Catholic Church are
alone not evidence but propaganda.
Talk to your prot buddies. They are the ones that walked away from the
teachings given by Jesus Christ in place for 1600 years when the prot
reformation took place.
The RCC is not God.
Post by d***@cox.net
Post by Mattb
Post by d***@cox.net
Post by Mattb
Post by d***@cox.net
Who made that choice? Clearly not God nor his Son nor the Catholic Church, but
only those that chose another path to live.
Don't fault us for your own mistakes.
Take the RC sacrament of Confession.
John 20:22-23 New International Version (NIV)
22 And with that he breathed on them and said, “Receive the Holy Spirit. 23 If
you forgive anyone’s sins, their sins are forgiven; if you do not forgive them,
they are not forgiven.”
Don't see it limited to Catholic.
It's the very first teachings by Jesus on the afternoon of his resurrection to
his followers who became the keys in the new Christian Church in formation.
Yet again don't see it limited to Catholic.
Then I call your attention to my comment above which confirms that the prots
voted against and waked away form the teachings of Jesus Christ 1600 years
previously.
No it doesn't not even close.
Post by d***@cox.net
Post by Mattb
Post by d***@cox.net
Of course, it is the protest_ant church that, 1600 years later, elected to form
up to then ignore the 7 sacraments given by the resurrected Lord.
There were protestant Churches of a type before the RCC
Yes so the RCC killed them off. Sorry any church that used murder
was not of Jesus. Jesus did not say to go out and kill any that
disagree with him.
Post by d***@cox.net
Arianism
christian theology
an influential heresy denying the divinity of Christ, originating with the
Alexandrian priest Arius (c.250–c.336). Arianism maintained that the Son of God
was created by the Father and was therefore neither coeternal with the Father,
nor consubstantial.
John 1:1 1In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word
was God.
[[that should curl repete's hair on his head, if he has any]]
Post by Mattb
just
murdered then and used intimidation also to destroy them. Your
founder Constantine used taxation even and then gave the property to
the RCC.
Did they also take away their free circus tickets?
Post by Mattb
Post by d***@cox.net
Post by Mattb
Post by d***@cox.net
Take the RC sacrament of Holy Eucharist.
John 6:54-57 New International Version (NIV)
54 Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise
them up at the last day. 55 For my flesh is real food and my blood is real
drink. 56 Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood remains in me, and I in
them. 57 Just as the living Father sent me and I live because of the Father, so
the one who feeds on me will live because of me.
the dukester, American-American
This isn't required for Salvation.
Thanks, but I'm going with Jesus on this one.
The RCC is not Jesus.
Jesus is God.
Post by Mattb
Post by d***@cox.net
It's hard to ignore the
stipulation that "the one that feeds on me will live BECAUSE OF ME."
The RCC is not God.
It was Jesus that said "the one that feeds on me will live BECAUSE OF ME."
the dukester, American-American
PatB
2019-12-12 22:34:10 UTC
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The RCC is not God.
No shit, sherlock.
Mattb
2019-12-13 06:06:02 UTC
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Post by Mattb
The RCC is not God.
No shit, sherlock.
Tell that to Duke/Earl
d***@cox.net
2019-12-13 13:43:50 UTC
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Post by PatB
Post by Mattb
The RCC is not God.
No shit, sherlock.
Tell that to Duke/Earl
I understand fully. We both do, but you don't.
the dukester, American-American
Mattb
2019-12-13 20:03:41 UTC
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Post by Mattb
Post by PatB
Post by Mattb
The RCC is not God.
No shit, sherlock.
Tell that to Duke/Earl
I understand fully. We both do, but you don't.
Yet to Earl Weber to disagree with the RCC is to reject God.
Post by d***@cox.net
the dukester, American-American
d***@cox.net
2019-12-14 12:47:00 UTC
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Post by d***@cox.net
Post by Mattb
Post by PatB
Post by Mattb
The RCC is not God.
No shit, sherlock.
Tell that to Duke/Earl
I understand fully. We both do, but you don't.
Yet to Earl Weber to disagree with the RCC is to reject God.
I agree with the RCC ==> the RCC is not God.
the dukester, American-American
Mattb
2019-12-14 18:00:47 UTC
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Post by Mattb
Post by d***@cox.net
Post by Mattb
Post by PatB
Post by Mattb
The RCC is not God.
No shit, sherlock.
Tell that to Duke/Earl
I understand fully. We both do, but you don't.
Yet to Earl Weber to disagree with the RCC is to reject God.
I agree with the RCC ==> the RCC is not God.
Then why do you say to disagree with RCC traditions is to reject
God? The RCC is not needed for Salvation.
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the dukester, American-American
d***@cox.net
2019-12-14 20:38:55 UTC
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Post by d***@cox.net
Post by Mattb
Post by d***@cox.net
Post by Mattb
Post by PatB
Post by Mattb
The RCC is not God.
No shit, sherlock.
Tell that to Duke/Earl
I understand fully. We both do, but you don't.
Yet to Earl Weber to disagree with the RCC is to reject God.
I agree with the RCC ==> the RCC is not God.
Then why do you say to disagree with RCC traditions is to reject
God? The RCC is not needed for Salvation.
I didn't. God gave us over to coming up with some traditions.
the dukester, American-American
Mattb
2019-12-14 22:09:34 UTC
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Post by Mattb
Post by d***@cox.net
Post by Mattb
Post by d***@cox.net
Post by Mattb
Post by PatB
Post by Mattb
The RCC is not God.
No shit, sherlock.
Tell that to Duke/Earl
I understand fully. We both do, but you don't.
Yet to Earl Weber to disagree with the RCC is to reject God.
I agree with the RCC ==> the RCC is not God.
Then why do you say to disagree with RCC traditions is to reject
God? The RCC is not needed for Salvation.
I didn't. God gave us over to coming up with some traditions.
Did he when the traditions are both Pagan and lies?
Post by d***@cox.net
the dukester, American-American
d***@cox.net
2019-12-15 16:29:45 UTC
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Post by Mattb
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Post by Mattb
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Post by Mattb
Post by PatB
Post by Mattb
The RCC is not God.
No shit, sherlock.
Tell that to Duke/Earl
I understand fully. We both do, but you don't.
Yet to Earl Weber to disagree with the RCC is to reject God.
I agree with the RCC ==> the RCC is not God.
Then why do you say to disagree with RCC traditions is to reject
God? The RCC is not needed for Salvation.
I didn't. God gave us over to coming up with some traditions.
Did he when the traditions are both Pagan and lies?
Name a Christian tradition that is pagan.
Post by Mattb
Post by d***@cox.net
the dukester, American-American
the dukester, American-American
Mattb
2019-12-15 21:14:02 UTC
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Post by Mattb
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Post by Mattb
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Post by Mattb
Post by PatB
Post by Mattb
The RCC is not God.
No shit, sherlock.
Tell that to Duke/Earl
I understand fully. We both do, but you don't.
Yet to Earl Weber to disagree with the RCC is to reject God.
I agree with the RCC ==> the RCC is not God.
Then why do you say to disagree with RCC traditions is to reject
God? The RCC is not needed for Salvation.
I didn't. God gave us over to coming up with some traditions.
Did he when the traditions are both Pagan and lies?
Name a Christian tradition that is pagan.
Purgatory?
Post by d***@cox.net
Post by Mattb
Post by d***@cox.net
the dukester, American-American
the dukester, American-American
d***@cox.net
2019-12-16 20:04:27 UTC
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Post by Mattb
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Post by Mattb
Post by d***@cox.net
Post by Mattb
Post by PatB
Post by Mattb
The RCC is not God.
No shit, sherlock.
Tell that to Duke/Earl
I understand fully. We both do, but you don't.
Yet to Earl Weber to disagree with the RCC is to reject God.
I agree with the RCC ==> the RCC is not God.
Then why do you say to disagree with RCC traditions is to reject
God? The RCC is not needed for Salvation.
I didn't. God gave us over to coming up with some traditions.
Did he when the traditions are both Pagan and lies?
Name a Christian tradition that is pagan.
Purgatory?
Jesus gave man a way to be fully cleansed of his sins. He shall be purged of
them. Man decided to call that "purgatory". You now how the Jews were. They
couldn't related to an action with a name for the place where it happens.
Heeheehee.
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Post by Mattb
Post by d***@cox.net
the dukester, American-American
the dukester, American-American
the dukester, American-American
Mattb
2019-12-16 20:19:07 UTC
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Post by Mattb
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Post by Mattb
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Post by Mattb
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Post by Mattb
Post by PatB
Post by Mattb
The RCC is not God.
No shit, sherlock.
Tell that to Duke/Earl
I understand fully. We both do, but you don't.
Yet to Earl Weber to disagree with the RCC is to reject God.
I agree with the RCC ==> the RCC is not God.
Then why do you say to disagree with RCC traditions is to reject
God? The RCC is not needed for Salvation.
I didn't. God gave us over to coming up with some traditions.
Did he when the traditions are both Pagan and lies?
Name a Christian tradition that is pagan.
Purgatory?
Jesus gave man a way to be fully cleansed of his sins. He shall be purged of
them. Man decided to call that "purgatory". You now how the Jews were. They
couldn't related to an action with a name for the place where it happens.
Heeheehee.
Jesus forgives sins not torture that is a RCC invention
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Post by Mattb
Post by d***@cox.net
Post by Mattb
Post by d***@cox.net
the dukester, American-American
the dukester, American-American
the dukester, American-American
d***@cox.net
2019-12-14 14:25:22 UTC
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Post by Mattb
Post by d***@cox.net
Post by Mattb
Post by PatB
Post by Mattb
The RCC is not God.
No shit, sherlock.
Tell that to Duke/Earl
I understand fully. We both do, but you don't.
Yet to Earl Weber to disagree with the RCC is to reject God.
The RCC is not God.
the dukester, American-American
Mattb
2019-12-14 18:02:22 UTC
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Post by Mattb
Post by d***@cox.net
Post by Mattb
Post by PatB
Post by Mattb
The RCC is not God.
No shit, sherlock.
Tell that to Duke/Earl
I understand fully. We both do, but you don't.
Yet to Earl Weber to disagree with the RCC is to reject God.
The RCC is not God.
True the RCC is not God and it isn't needed for Salvation or to
follow Jesus.
Post by Mattb
the dukester, American-American
d***@cox.net
2019-12-14 20:41:22 UTC
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Post by Mattb
Post by Mattb
Post by d***@cox.net
Post by Mattb
Post by PatB
Post by Mattb
The RCC is not God.
No shit, sherlock.
Tell that to Duke/Earl
I understand fully. We both do, but you don't.
Yet to Earl Weber to disagree with the RCC is to reject God.
The RCC is not God.
True the RCC is not God and it isn't needed for Salvation or to
follow Jesus.
God put the RCC is charge of the sacraments and the admistration thereof by the
RCC priesthood. NO PROT church has these authorities. Much less the pagan
society like the one you live in.
the dukester, American-American
Mattb
2019-12-14 22:11:18 UTC
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Post by Mattb
Post by Mattb
Post by Mattb
Post by d***@cox.net
Post by Mattb
Post by PatB
Post by Mattb
The RCC is not God.
No shit, sherlock.
Tell that to Duke/Earl
I understand fully. We both do, but you don't.
Yet to Earl Weber to disagree with the RCC is to reject God.
The RCC is not God.
True the RCC is not God and it isn't needed for Salvation or to
follow Jesus.
God put the RCC is charge of the sacraments and the admistration thereof by the
RCC priesthood.
You have yet to prove this claim, a claim you friend Patrick has
denied.
Post by d***@cox.net
NO PROT church has these authorities.
That is true.
Post by d***@cox.net
Much less the pagan
society like the one you live in.
Here is another example of a Earl Weber lie, this is what number 5
just today?
Post by d***@cox.net
the dukester, American-American
d***@cox.net
2019-12-15 16:33:59 UTC
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Post by Mattb
Post by d***@cox.net
Post by Mattb
Post by Mattb
Post by Mattb
Post by d***@cox.net
Post by Mattb
Post by PatB
Post by Mattb
The RCC is not God.
No shit, sherlock.
Tell that to Duke/Earl
I understand fully. We both do, but you don't.
Yet to Earl Weber to disagree with the RCC is to reject God.
The RCC is not God.
True the RCC is not God and it isn't needed for Salvation or to
follow Jesus.
God put the RCC is charge of the sacraments and the admistration thereof by the
RCC priesthood.
You have yet to prove this claim, a claim you friend Patrick has
denied.
It's history. There was no protest_ant Christian Church for 1600 years. The 7
sacraments was specified by Jesus, well, 1600 years before that.

And the Catholic priesthood administered the 7 sacraments, the Holy Mass, etc
for 1600 years beore the start of the prot churches.
Post by Mattb
NO PROT church has these authorities.
That is true.
Post by d***@cox.net
Much less the pagan
society like the one you live in.
Here is another example of a Earl Weber lie, this is what number 5
just today?
Post by d***@cox.net
the dukester, American-American
It's not a lie just becasue you're clueless.
the dukester, American-American
Mattb
2019-12-15 21:16:01 UTC
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Post by Mattb
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Post by Mattb
Post by Mattb
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Post by Mattb
Post by PatB
Post by Mattb
The RCC is not God.
No shit, sherlock.
Tell that to Duke/Earl
I understand fully. We both do, but you don't.
Yet to Earl Weber to disagree with the RCC is to reject God.
The RCC is not God.
True the RCC is not God and it isn't needed for Salvation or to
follow Jesus.
God put the RCC is charge of the sacraments and the admistration thereof by the
RCC priesthood.
You have yet to prove this claim, a claim you friend Patrick has
denied.
It's history. There was no protest_ant Christian Church for 1600 years. The 7
sacraments was specified by Jesus, well, 1600 years before that.
History doesn't say that unless you limit a Christian to being a
member of the RCC.
Post by d***@cox.net
And the Catholic priesthood administered the 7 sacraments, the Holy Mass, etc
for 1600 years beore the start of the prot churches.
Post by Mattb
NO PROT church has these authorities.
That is true.
Post by d***@cox.net
Much less the pagan
society like the one you live in.
Here is another example of a Earl Weber lie, this is what number 5
just today?
Post by d***@cox.net
the dukester, American-American
It's not a lie just becasue you're clueless.
It is a lie because it is a intentional falsehood that you do
several times in one day.
Post by d***@cox.net
the dukester, American-American
Robert
2019-12-15 23:52:35 UTC
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Post by Mattb
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Post by Mattb
Post by Mattb
Post by Mattb
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Post by Mattb
Post by PatB
Post by Mattb
The RCC is not God.
No shit, sherlock.
Tell that to Duke/Earl
I understand fully. We both do, but you don't.
Yet to Earl Weber to disagree with the RCC is to reject God.
The RCC is not God.
True the RCC is not God and it isn't needed for Salvation or to
follow Jesus.
God put the RCC is charge of the sacraments and the admistration thereof by the
RCC priesthood.
You have yet to prove this claim, a claim you friend Patrick has
denied.
It's history. There was no protest_ant Christian Church for 1600 years. The 7
sacraments was specified by Jesus, well, 1600 years before that.
History doesn't say that unless you limit a Christian to being a
member of the RCC.
Not only that but the term "Protestant" is a RC derogatory term. The
Churches that followed came out of the Reformation Period, and were
called reformed Churches, plus other various terms.

What the RC meant as divisive ended up being a term that many just
accepted and used with a sense of pride. Much the same as the term
"christian" was meant to be a slam on the believers, that the
believers picked up and used out of the idea why not? After all we are
supposed to be "Christ like"

The original protestors, and yes they were protestors in every sense
of the word was the Greek Orthodox, sometimes called the "eastern
church" And one of the big things for doing it was the authority that
the RCC said that the "pope" had. They, the orthodox, had their own
popes, but they considered them slightly different.

The Orthodox, at the time, was too big to just kill off or murder for
being heretics. So they survived.
Post by Mattb
Post by d***@cox.net
And the Catholic priesthood administered the 7 sacraments, the Holy Mass, etc
for 1600 years beore the start of the prot churches.
Post by Mattb
NO PROT church has these authorities.
That is true.
Post by d***@cox.net
Much less the pagan
society like the one you live in.
Here is another example of a Earl Weber lie, this is what number 5
just today?
Post by d***@cox.net
the dukester, American-American
It's not a lie just becasue you're clueless.
It is a lie because it is a intentional falsehood that you do
several times in one day.
Post by d***@cox.net
the dukester, American-American
--
But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.
(Heb 11:6 KJV)
PatB
2019-12-16 04:23:59 UTC
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Post by Robert
Post by Mattb
History doesn't say that unless you limit a Christian to being a
member of the RCC.
Not only that but the term "Protestant" is a RC derogatory term. The
Churches that followed came out of the Reformation Period, and were
called reformed Churches, plus other various terms.
What the RC meant as divisive ended up being a term that many just
accepted and used with a sense of pride. Much the same as the term
"christian" was meant to be a slam on the believers, that the
believers picked up and used out of the idea why not? After all we are
supposed to be "Christ like"
So when do you plan to start being Christ like?
Mattb
2019-12-16 18:39:22 UTC
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Post by Mattb
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Post by Mattb
Post by d***@cox.net
Post by Mattb
Post by Mattb
Post by Mattb
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Post by Mattb
Post by PatB
Post by Mattb
The RCC is not God.
No shit, sherlock.
Tell that to Duke/Earl
I understand fully. We both do, but you don't.
Yet to Earl Weber to disagree with the RCC is to reject God.
The RCC is not God.
True the RCC is not God and it isn't needed for Salvation or to
follow Jesus.
God put the RCC is charge of the sacraments and the admistration thereof by the
RCC priesthood.
You have yet to prove this claim, a claim you friend Patrick has
denied.
It's history. There was no protest_ant Christian Church for 1600 years. The 7
sacraments was specified by Jesus, well, 1600 years before that.
History doesn't say that unless you limit a Christian to being a
member of the RCC.
Not only that but the term "Protestant" is a RC derogatory term. The
Churches that followed came out of the Reformation Period, and were
called reformed Churches, plus other various terms.
They may think so but it shows intelligence to get away from all
the pagan practices of the RCC and it's military style Church.
Post by Robert
What the RC meant as divisive ended up being a term that many just
accepted and used with a sense of pride. Much the same as the term
"christian" was meant to be a slam on the believers, that the
believers picked up and used out of the idea why not? After all we are
supposed to be "Christ like"
The original protestors, and yes they were protestors in every sense
of the word was the Greek Orthodox, sometimes called the "eastern
church" And one of the big things for doing it was the authority that
the RCC said that the "pope" had. They, the orthodox, had their own
popes, but they considered them slightly different.
The Orthodox, at the time, was too big to just kill off or murder for
being heretics. So they survived.
The RCC had lost most of its army and authority within the
governments of the world. People were starting to see the Popes for
what they were.
Post by Robert
Post by Mattb
Post by d***@cox.net
And the Catholic priesthood administered the 7 sacraments, the Holy Mass, etc
for 1600 years beore the start of the prot churches.
Post by Mattb
NO PROT church has these authorities.
That is true.
Post by d***@cox.net
Much less the pagan
society like the one you live in.
Here is another example of a Earl Weber lie, this is what number 5
just today?
Post by d***@cox.net
the dukester, American-American
It's not a lie just becasue you're clueless.
It is a lie because it is a intentional falsehood that you do
several times in one day.
Post by d***@cox.net
the dukester, American-American
Robert
2019-12-16 19:58:42 UTC
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Post by Robert
Post by Mattb
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Post by Mattb
Post by d***@cox.net
Post by Mattb
Post by Mattb
Post by Mattb
Post by d***@cox.net
Post by Mattb
Post by PatB
Post by Mattb
The RCC is not God.
No shit, sherlock.
Tell that to Duke/Earl
I understand fully. We both do, but you don't.
Yet to Earl Weber to disagree with the RCC is to reject God.
The RCC is not God.
True the RCC is not God and it isn't needed for Salvation or to
follow Jesus.
God put the RCC is charge of the sacraments and the admistration thereof by the
RCC priesthood.
You have yet to prove this claim, a claim you friend Patrick has
denied.
It's history. There was no protest_ant Christian Church for 1600 years. The 7
sacraments was specified by Jesus, well, 1600 years before that.
History doesn't say that unless you limit a Christian to being a
member of the RCC.
Not only that but the term "Protestant" is a RC derogatory term. The
Churches that followed came out of the Reformation Period, and were
called reformed Churches, plus other various terms.
They may think so but it shows intelligence to get away from all
the pagan practices of the RCC and it's military style Church.
Without a doubt.
Post by Mattb
Post by Robert
What the RC meant as divisive ended up being a term that many just
accepted and used with a sense of pride. Much the same as the term
"christian" was meant to be a slam on the believers, that the
believers picked up and used out of the idea why not? After all we are
supposed to be "Christ like"
The original protestors, and yes they were protestors in every sense
of the word was the Greek Orthodox, sometimes called the "eastern
church" And one of the big things for doing it was the authority that
the RCC said that the "pope" had. They, the orthodox, had their own
popes, but they considered them slightly different.
The Orthodox, at the time, was too big to just kill off or murder for
being heretics. So they survived.
The RCC had lost most of its army and authority within the
governments of the world. People were starting to see the Popes for
what they were.
Yeah, but it took a long time due to their willingness to destroy and
kill others in the name of God, just as mistakenly as those who killed
abortion people today "in the name of God"

There is coming a time soon that the RCC will appear to have much of
its power restored when the antichrist is revealed and they will join
forces. But within a 3 1/2 year period the Anti Christ will have no
more use for them and will do away with them entirely.

At the beginning of that time period they will both be killing people
that turn to Christ when they see that the real Church was taken out
by God, to heaven.
Post by Mattb
Post by Robert
Post by Mattb
Post by d***@cox.net
And the Catholic priesthood administered the 7 sacraments, the Holy Mass, etc
for 1600 years beore the start of the prot churches.
Post by Mattb
NO PROT church has these authorities.
That is true.
Post by d***@cox.net
Much less the pagan
society like the one you live in.
Here is another example of a Earl Weber lie, this is what number 5
just today?
Post by d***@cox.net
the dukester, American-American
It's not a lie just becasue you're clueless.
It is a lie because it is a intentional falsehood that you do
several times in one day.
Post by d***@cox.net
the dukester, American-American
--
But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.
(Heb 11:6 KJV)
d***@cox.net
2019-12-16 20:07:24 UTC
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Post by Mattb
Post by d***@cox.net
Post by Mattb
Post by Mattb
Post by Mattb
Post by d***@cox.net
Post by Mattb
Post by PatB
Post by Mattb
The RCC is not God.
No shit, sherlock.
Tell that to Duke/Earl
I understand fully. We both do, but you don't.
Yet to Earl Weber to disagree with the RCC is to reject God.
The RCC is not God.
True the RCC is not God and it isn't needed for Salvation or to
follow Jesus.
God put the RCC is charge of the sacraments and the admistration thereof by the
RCC priesthood.
You have yet to prove this claim, a claim you friend Patrick has
denied.
It's history. There was no protest_ant Christian Church for 1600 years. The 7
sacraments was specified by Jesus, well, 1600 years before that.
History doesn't say that unless you limit a Christian to being a
member of the RCC.
Protestantism originated from the Protestation at Speyer in 1529, where the
nobility protested against enforcement of the Edict of Worms which subjected
advocates of Lutheranism to forfeiture of all of their property.
Post by Mattb
Post by d***@cox.net
And the Catholic priesthood administered the 7 sacraments, the Holy Mass, etc
for 1600 years beore the start of the prot churches.
Post by Mattb
NO PROT church has these authorities.
That is true.
Post by d***@cox.net
Much less the pagan
society like the one you live in.
Here is another example of a Earl Weber lie, this is what number 5
just today?
Post by d***@cox.net
the dukester, American-American
It's not a lie just becasue you're clueless.
It is a lie because it is a intentional falsehood that you do
several times in one day.
Post by d***@cox.net
the dukester, American-American
Your ignorance of the matter does not my statement a lie make.
the dukester, American-American
Mattb
2019-12-16 20:22:18 UTC
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Post by Mattb
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Post by Mattb
Post by d***@cox.net
Post by Mattb
Post by Mattb
Post by Mattb
Post by d***@cox.net
Post by Mattb
Post by PatB
Post by Mattb
The RCC is not God.
No shit, sherlock.
Tell that to Duke/Earl
I understand fully. We both do, but you don't.
Yet to Earl Weber to disagree with the RCC is to reject God.
The RCC is not God.
True the RCC is not God and it isn't needed for Salvation or to
follow Jesus.
God put the RCC is charge of the sacraments and the admistration thereof by the
RCC priesthood.
You have yet to prove this claim, a claim you friend Patrick has
denied.
It's history. There was no protest_ant Christian Church for 1600 years. The 7
sacraments was specified by Jesus, well, 1600 years before that.
History doesn't say that unless you limit a Christian to being a
member of the RCC.
Protestantism originated from the Protestation at Speyer in 1529, where the
nobility protested against enforcement of the Edict of Worms which subjected
advocates of Lutheranism to forfeiture of all of their property.
Yet the RCC wasn't the only Christian group before that. Though I
admit the RCC did try to kill them all off.
Post by d***@cox.net
Post by Mattb
Post by d***@cox.net
And the Catholic priesthood administered the 7 sacraments, the Holy Mass, etc
for 1600 years beore the start of the prot churches.
Post by Mattb
NO PROT church has these authorities.
That is true.
Post by d***@cox.net
Much less the pagan
society like the one you live in.
Here is another example of a Earl Weber lie, this is what number 5
just today?
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the dukester, American-American
It's not a lie just becasue you're clueless.
It is a lie because it is a intentional falsehood that you do
several times in one day.
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the dukester, American-American
Your ignorance of the matter does not my statement a lie make.
A lie is a lie no matter you belief system be it Catholic, atheist
or any.
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the dukester, American-American
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Full benefit of Salvation is only through the Roman Catholic Church
"For it is only through Christ's Catholic Church, which is "the
all-embracing means of salvation," that they can benefit fully from
the means of salvation,," (Vatican 2, Decree on Ecumenism, 3).
I wonder if larry sees the term "benefit fully". Clearly "NO" other Christian
or non-Christian or prot Church in the world offers the Catholic Church gifts of
the Holy Mass, 7 sacraments and the teachings of the Vatican and Pope.
They (RCC) offer much in the ways of lies and pedophilia, as you see
in Patrick Barker and Earl Weber.
Why lies, larry, when they are clearly spelled out in the NT scripture?
Then show us this evidence and Catechism of the Catholic Church are
alone not evidence but propaganda.
Talk to your prot buddies. They are the ones that walked away from the
teachings given by Jesus Christ in place for 1600 years when the prot
reformation took place.
The RCC is not God.
Exactly, the RCC is the Church on earth started by God.
Post by Mattb
Post by d***@cox.net
Post by Mattb
Post by d***@cox.net
Post by Mattb
Post by d***@cox.net
Who made that choice? Clearly not God nor his Son nor the Catholic Church, but
only those that chose another path to live.
Don't fault us for your own mistakes.
Take the RC sacrament of Confession.
John 20:22-23 New International Version (NIV)
22 And with that he breathed on them and said, “Receive the Holy Spirit. 23 If
you forgive anyone’s sins, their sins are forgiven; if you do not forgive them,
they are not forgiven.”
Don't see it limited to Catholic.
It's the very first teachings by Jesus on the afternoon of his resurrection to
his followers who became the keys in the new Christian Church in formation.
Yet again don't see it limited to Catholic.
Then I call your attention to my comment above which confirms that the prots
voted against and waked away form the teachings of Jesus Christ 1600 years
previously.
No it doesn't not even close.
Then why does you church not offer the Sacrament of Confession.
Post by Mattb
Post by d***@cox.net
Post by Mattb
Post by d***@cox.net
Of course, it is the protest_ant church that, 1600 years later, elected to form
up to then ignore the 7 sacraments given by the resurrected Lord.
There were protestant Churches of a type before the RCC
Arianism
christian theology
an influential heresy denying the divinity of Christ, originating with the
Alexandrian priest Arius (c.250–c.336). Arianism maintained that the Son of God
was created by the Father and was therefore neither coeternal with the Father,
nor consubstantial.
Yes so the RCC killed them off. Sorry any church that used murder
was not of Jesus. Jesus did not say to go out and kill any that
disagree with him.
Can't be murder when the other side starts the war.
Post by Mattb
Post by d***@cox.net
John 1:1 1In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word
was God.
[[that should curl repete's hair on his head, if he has any]]
Heeheehee.
Post by Mattb
Post by d***@cox.net
Post by Mattb
just
murdered then and used intimidation also to destroy them. Your
founder Constantine used taxation even and then gave the property to
the RCC.
Did they also take away their free circus tickets?
Tsk, tsk, tsk. Silence is telling.
Post by Mattb
Post by d***@cox.net
Post by Mattb
Post by d***@cox.net
Post by Mattb
Post by d***@cox.net
Take the RC sacrament of Holy Eucharist.
John 6:54-57 New International Version (NIV)
54 Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise
them up at the last day. 55 For my flesh is real food and my blood is real
drink. 56 Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood remains in me, and I in
them. 57 Just as the living Father sent me and I live because of the Father, so
the one who feeds on me will live because of me.
the dukester, American-American
This isn't required for Salvation.
Thanks, but I'm going with Jesus on this one.
The RCC is not Jesus.
Jesus is God.
Tsk, tsk, tsk.
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Post by d***@cox.net
It was Jesus that said "the one that feeds on me will live BECAUSE OF ME."
Tsk, tsk, tsk.

the dukester, American-American
Mattb
2019-12-13 20:05:55 UTC
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Post by Mattb
Full benefit of Salvation is only through the Roman Catholic Church
"For it is only through Christ's Catholic Church, which is "the
all-embracing means of salvation," that they can benefit fully from
the means of salvation,," (Vatican 2, Decree on Ecumenism, 3).
I wonder if larry sees the term "benefit fully". Clearly "NO" other Christian
or non-Christian or prot Church in the world offers the Catholic Church gifts of
the Holy Mass, 7 sacraments and the teachings of the Vatican and Pope.
They (RCC) offer much in the ways of lies and pedophilia, as you see
in Patrick Barker and Earl Weber.
Why lies, larry, when they are clearly spelled out in the NT scripture?
Then show us this evidence and Catechism of the Catholic Church are
alone not evidence but propaganda.
Talk to your prot buddies. They are the ones that walked away from the
teachings given by Jesus Christ in place for 1600 years when the prot
reformation took place.
The RCC is not God.
Exactly, the RCC is the Church on earth started by God.
Prove it with the RCC history and actions.
Post by d***@cox.net
Post by Mattb
Post by d***@cox.net
Post by Mattb
Post by d***@cox.net
Post by Mattb
Post by d***@cox.net
Who made that choice? Clearly not God nor his Son nor the Catholic Church, but
only those that chose another path to live.
Don't fault us for your own mistakes.
Take the RC sacrament of Confession.
John 20:22-23 New International Version (NIV)
22 And with that he breathed on them and said, “Receive the Holy Spirit. 23 If
you forgive anyone’s sins, their sins are forgiven; if you do not forgive them,
they are not forgiven.”
Don't see it limited to Catholic.
It's the very first teachings by Jesus on the afternoon of his resurrection to
his followers who became the keys in the new Christian Church in formation.
Yet again don't see it limited to Catholic.
Then I call your attention to my comment above which confirms that the prots
voted against and waked away form the teachings of Jesus Christ 1600 years
previously.
No it doesn't not even close.
Then why does you church not offer the Sacrament of Confession.
?????
Post by d***@cox.net
Post by Mattb
Post by d***@cox.net
Post by Mattb
Post by d***@cox.net
Of course, it is the protest_ant church that, 1600 years later, elected to form
up to then ignore the 7 sacraments given by the resurrected Lord.
There were protestant Churches of a type before the RCC
Arianism
christian theology
an influential heresy denying the divinity of Christ, originating with the
Alexandrian priest Arius (c.250–c.336). Arianism maintained that the Son of God
was created by the Father and was therefore neither coeternal with the Father,
nor consubstantial.
Yes so the RCC killed them off. Sorry any church that used murder
was not of Jesus. Jesus did not say to go out and kill any that
disagree with him.
Can't be murder when the other side starts the war.
How did they start the war by not bowing to the Pope? Many of
your Popes were EVIL to the core.
Post by d***@cox.net
Post by Mattb
Post by d***@cox.net
John 1:1 1In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word
was God.
[[that should curl repete's hair on his head, if he has any]]
Heeheehee.
Post by Mattb
Post by d***@cox.net
Post by Mattb
just
murdered then and used intimidation also to destroy them. Your
founder Constantine used taxation even and then gave the property to
the RCC.
Did they also take away their free circus tickets?
Tsk, tsk, tsk. Silence is telling.
Post by Mattb
Post by d***@cox.net
Post by Mattb
Post by d***@cox.net
Post by Mattb
Post by d***@cox.net
Take the RC sacrament of Holy Eucharist.
John 6:54-57 New International Version (NIV)
54 Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise
them up at the last day. 55 For my flesh is real food and my blood is real
drink. 56 Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood remains in me, and I in
them. 57 Just as the living Father sent me and I live because of the Father, so
the one who feeds on me will live because of me.
the dukester, American-American
This isn't required for Salvation.
Thanks, but I'm going with Jesus on this one.
The RCC is not Jesus.
Jesus is God.
Tsk, tsk, tsk.
Post by Mattb
Post by d***@cox.net
It was Jesus that said "the one that feeds on me will live BECAUSE OF ME."
Tsk, tsk, tsk.
the dukester, American-American
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Full benefit of Salvation is only through the Roman Catholic Church
"For it is only through Christ's Catholic Church, which is "the
all-embracing means of salvation," that they can benefit fully from
the means of salvation,," (Vatican 2, Decree on Ecumenism, 3).
I wonder if larry sees the term "benefit fully". Clearly "NO" other Christian
or non-Christian or prot Church in the world offers the Catholic Church gifts of
the Holy Mass, 7 sacraments and the teachings of the Vatican and Pope.
They (RCC) offer much in the ways of lies and pedophilia, as you see
in Patrick Barker and Earl Weber.
Why lies, larry, when they are clearly spelled out in the NT scripture?
Then show us this evidence and Catechism of the Catholic Church are
alone not evidence but propaganda.
Talk to your prot buddies. They are the ones that walked away from the
teachings given by Jesus Christ in place for 1600 years when the prot
reformation took place.
The RCC is not God.
Exactly, the RCC is the Church on earth started by God.
Prove it with the RCC history and actions.
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Post by Mattb
Post by d***@cox.net
Post by Mattb
Post by d***@cox.net
Post by Mattb
Post by d***@cox.net
Who made that choice? Clearly not God nor his Son nor the Catholic Church, but
only those that chose another path to live.
Don't fault us for your own mistakes.
Take the RC sacrament of Confession.
John 20:22-23 New International Version (NIV)
22 And with that he breathed on them and said, “Receive the Holy Spirit. 23 If
you forgive anyone’s sins, their sins are forgiven; if you do not forgive them,
they are not forgiven.”
Don't see it limited to Catholic.
It's the very first teachings by Jesus on the afternoon of his resurrection to
his followers who became the keys in the new Christian Church in formation.
Yet again don't see it limited to Catholic.
Then I call your attention to my comment above which confirms that the prots
voted against and waked away form the teachings of Jesus Christ 1600 years
previously.
No it doesn't not even close.
Then why does you church not offer the Sacrament of Confession.
?????
Oh, that's right. You're a pagan with no Church, not a Christian.
Post by Mattb
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Post by Mattb
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Post by Mattb
Post by d***@cox.net
Of course, it is the protest_ant church that, 1600 years later, elected to form
up to then ignore the 7 sacraments given by the resurrected Lord.
There were protestant Churches of a type before the RCC
Arianism
christian theology
an influential heresy denying the divinity of Christ, originating with the
Alexandrian priest Arius (c.250–c.336). Arianism maintained that the Son of God
was created by the Father and was therefore neither coeternal with the Father,
nor consubstantial.
Yes so the RCC killed them off. Sorry any church that used murder
was not of Jesus. Jesus did not say to go out and kill any that
disagree with him.
Can't be murder when the other side starts the war.
How did they start the war by not bowing to the Pope? Many of
your Popes were EVIL to the core.
Wrong answer.
Post by Mattb
Post by d***@cox.net
Post by Mattb
Post by d***@cox.net
John 1:1 1In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word
was God.
[[that should curl repete's hair on his head, if he has any]]
Heeheehee.
Post by Mattb
Post by d***@cox.net
Post by Mattb
just
murdered then and used intimidation also to destroy them. Your
founder Constantine used taxation even and then gave the property to
the RCC.
Did they also take away their free circus tickets?
Tsk, tsk, tsk. Silence is telling.
Post by Mattb
Post by d***@cox.net
Post by Mattb
Post by d***@cox.net
Post by Mattb
Post by d***@cox.net
Take the RC sacrament of Holy Eucharist.
John 6:54-57 New International Version (NIV)
54 Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise
them up at the last day. 55 For my flesh is real food and my blood is real
drink. 56 Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood remains in me, and I in
them. 57 Just as the living Father sent me and I live because of the Father, so
the one who feeds on me will live because of me.
the dukester, American-American
This isn't required for Salvation.
Thanks, but I'm going with Jesus on this one.
The RCC is not Jesus.
Jesus is God.
Tsk, tsk, tsk.
Post by Mattb
Post by d***@cox.net
It was Jesus that said "the one that feeds on me will live BECAUSE OF ME."
Tsk, tsk, tsk.
the dukester, American-American
the dukester, American-American
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Full benefit of Salvation is only through the Roman Catholic Church
"For it is only through Christ's Catholic Church, which is "the
all-embracing means of salvation," that they can benefit fully from
the means of salvation,," (Vatican 2, Decree on Ecumenism, 3).
I wonder if larry sees the term "benefit fully". Clearly "NO" other Christian
or non-Christian or prot Church in the world offers the Catholic Church gifts of
the Holy Mass, 7 sacraments and the teachings of the Vatican and Pope.
They (RCC) offer much in the ways of lies and pedophilia, as you see
in Patrick Barker and Earl Weber.
Why lies, larry, when they are clearly spelled out in the NT scripture?
Then show us this evidence and Catechism of the Catholic Church are
alone not evidence but propaganda.
Talk to your prot buddies. They are the ones that walked away from the
teachings given by Jesus Christ in place for 1600 years when the prot
reformation took place.
The RCC is not God.
Exactly, the RCC is the Church on earth started by God.
Prove it with the RCC history and actions.
Post by d***@cox.net
Post by Mattb
Post by d***@cox.net
Post by Mattb
Post by d***@cox.net
Post by Mattb
Post by d***@cox.net
Who made that choice? Clearly not God nor his Son nor the Catholic Church, but
only those that chose another path to live.
Don't fault us for your own mistakes.
Take the RC sacrament of Confession.
John 20:22-23 New International Version (NIV)
22 And with that he breathed on them and said, “Receive the Holy Spirit. 23 If
you forgive anyone’s sins, their sins are forgiven; if you do not forgive them,
they are not forgiven.”
Don't see it limited to Catholic.
It's the very first teachings by Jesus on the afternoon of his resurrection to
his followers who became the keys in the new Christian Church in formation.
Yet again don't see it limited to Catholic.
Then I call your attention to my comment above which confirms that the prots
voted against and waked away form the teachings of Jesus Christ 1600 years
previously.
No it doesn't not even close.
Then why does you church not offer the Sacrament of Confession.
?????
Oh, that's right. You're a pagan with no Church, not a Christian.
Earl you do not need the RCC to repent or confess to God.
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Post by Mattb
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Post by Mattb
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Of course, it is the protest_ant church that, 1600 years later, elected to form
up to then ignore the 7 sacraments given by the resurrected Lord.
There were protestant Churches of a type before the RCC
Arianism
christian theology
an influential heresy denying the divinity of Christ, originating with the
Alexandrian priest Arius (c.250–c.336). Arianism maintained that the Son of God
was created by the Father and was therefore neither coeternal with the Father,
nor consubstantial.
Yes so the RCC killed them off. Sorry any church that used murder
was not of Jesus. Jesus did not say to go out and kill any that
disagree with him.
Can't be murder when the other side starts the war.
How did they start the war by not bowing to the Pope? Many of
your Popes were EVIL to the core.
Wrong answer.
Post by Mattb
Post by d***@cox.net
Post by Mattb
Post by d***@cox.net
John 1:1 1In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word
was God.
[[that should curl repete's hair on his head, if he has any]]
Heeheehee.
Post by Mattb
Post by d***@cox.net
Post by Mattb
just
murdered then and used intimidation also to destroy them. Your
founder Constantine used taxation even and then gave the property to
the RCC.
Did they also take away their free circus tickets?
Tsk, tsk, tsk. Silence is telling.
Post by Mattb
Post by d***@cox.net
Post by Mattb
Post by d***@cox.net
Post by Mattb
Post by d***@cox.net
Take the RC sacrament of Holy Eucharist.
John 6:54-57 New International Version (NIV)
54 Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise
them up at the last day. 55 For my flesh is real food and my blood is real
drink. 56 Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood remains in me, and I in
them. 57 Just as the living Father sent me and I live because of the Father, so
the one who feeds on me will live because of me.
the dukester, American-American
This isn't required for Salvation.
Thanks, but I'm going with Jesus on this one.
The RCC is not Jesus.
Jesus is God.
Tsk, tsk, tsk.
Post by Mattb
Post by d***@cox.net
It was Jesus that said "the one that feeds on me will live BECAUSE OF ME."
Tsk, tsk, tsk.
the dukester, American-American
the dukester, American-American
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Full benefit of Salvation is only through the Roman Catholic Church
"For it is only through Christ's Catholic Church, which is "the
all-embracing means of salvation," that they can benefit fully from
the means of salvation,," (Vatican 2, Decree on Ecumenism, 3).
I wonder if larry sees the term "benefit fully". Clearly "NO" other Christian
or non-Christian or prot Church in the world offers the Catholic Church gifts of
the Holy Mass, 7 sacraments and the teachings of the Vatican and Pope.
They (RCC) offer much in the ways of lies and pedophilia, as you see
in Patrick Barker and Earl Weber.
Why lies, larry, when they are clearly spelled out in the NT scripture?
Then show us this evidence and Catechism of the Catholic Church are
alone not evidence but propaganda.
Talk to your prot buddies. They are the ones that walked away from the
teachings given by Jesus Christ in place for 1600 years when the prot
reformation took place.
The RCC is not God.
Exactly, the RCC is the Church on earth started by God.
Prove it with the RCC history and actions.
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Post by Mattb
Post by d***@cox.net
Post by Mattb
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Post by d***@cox.net
Who made that choice? Clearly not God nor his Son nor the Catholic Church, but
only those that chose another path to live.
Don't fault us for your own mistakes.
Take the RC sacrament of Confession.
John 20:22-23 New International Version (NIV)
22 And with that he breathed on them and said, “Receive the Holy Spirit. 23 If
you forgive anyone’s sins, their sins are forgiven; if you do not forgive them,
they are not forgiven.”
Don't see it limited to Catholic.
It's the very first teachings by Jesus on the afternoon of his resurrection to
his followers who became the keys in the new Christian Church in formation.
Yet again don't see it limited to Catholic.
Then I call your attention to my comment above which confirms that the prots
voted against and waked away form the teachings of Jesus Christ 1600 years
previously.
No it doesn't not even close.
Then why does you church not offer the Sacrament of Confession.
?????
Oh, that's right. You're a pagan with no Church, not a Christian.
Earl you do not need the RCC to repent or confess to God.
1 John 5:16-17 New International Version (NIV)
16 If you see any brother or sister commit a sin that does not lead to death,
you should pray and God will give them life. I refer to those whose sin does not
lead to death. There is a sin that leads to death. I am not saying that you
should pray about that. 17 All wrongdoing is sin, and there is sin that does not
lead to death.

John 20:22-23 New International Version (NIV)
22 And with that he breathed on them and said, “Receive the Holy Spirit. 23 If
you forgive anyone’s sins, their sins are forgiven; if you do not forgive them,
they are not forgiven.”

You are some dense as you seek the fires of hell for your final resting place.
the dukester, American-American
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Full benefit of Salvation is only through the Roman Catholic Church
"For it is only through Christ's Catholic Church, which is "the
all-embracing means of salvation," that they can benefit fully from
the means of salvation,," (Vatican 2, Decree on Ecumenism, 3).
I wonder if larry sees the term "benefit fully". Clearly "NO" other Christian
or non-Christian or prot Church in the world offers the Catholic Church gifts of
the Holy Mass, 7 sacraments and the teachings of the Vatican and Pope.
They (RCC) offer much in the ways of lies and pedophilia, as you see
in Patrick Barker and Earl Weber.
Why lies, larry, when they are clearly spelled out in the NT scripture?
Then show us this evidence and Catechism of the Catholic Church are
alone not evidence but propaganda.
Talk to your prot buddies. They are the ones that walked away from the
teachings given by Jesus Christ in place for 1600 years when the prot
reformation took place.
The RCC is not God.
Exactly, the RCC is the Church on earth started by God.
Prove it with the RCC history and actions.
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Who made that choice? Clearly not God nor his Son nor the Catholic Church, but
only those that chose another path to live.
Don't fault us for your own mistakes.
Take the RC sacrament of Confession.
John 20:22-23 New International Version (NIV)
22 And with that he breathed on them and said, “Receive the Holy Spirit. 23 If
you forgive anyone’s sins, their sins are forgiven; if you do not forgive them,
they are not forgiven.”
Don't see it limited to Catholic.
It's the very first teachings by Jesus on the afternoon of his resurrection to
his followers who became the keys in the new Christian Church in formation.
Yet again don't see it limited to Catholic.
Then I call your attention to my comment above which confirms that the prots
voted against and waked away form the teachings of Jesus Christ 1600 years
previously.
No it doesn't not even close.
Then why does you church not offer the Sacrament of Confession.
?????
Oh, that's right. You're a pagan with no Church, not a Christian.
Earl you do not need the RCC to repent or confess to God.
1 John 5:16-17 New International Version (NIV)
16 If you see any brother or sister commit a sin that does not lead to death,
you should pray and God will give them life. I refer to those whose sin does not
lead to death. There is a sin that leads to death. I am not saying that you
should pray about that. 17 All wrongdoing is sin, and there is sin that does not
lead to death.
John 20:22-23 New International Version (NIV)
22 And with that he breathed on them and said, “Receive the Holy Spirit. 23 If
you forgive anyone’s sins, their sins are forgiven; if you do not forgive them,
they are not forgiven.”
You are some dense as you seek the fires of hell for your final resting place.
Doesn't support Purgatory of say that the RCC is needed for
Salvation.
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the dukester, American-American
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Doesn't support Purgatory of say that the RCC is needed for
Salvation.
shaddup, larry.
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Doesn't support Purgatory of say that the RCC is needed for
Salvation.
shaddup, larry.
Is that the best you have deception and lies.
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Doesn't support Purgatory of say that the RCC is needed for
Salvation.
shaddup, larry.
Is that the best you have deception and lies.
I don't see you deserving much more with your sharp cutting tongue.
the dukester, American-American
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Doesn't support Purgatory of say that the RCC is needed for
Salvation.
shaddup, larry.
Is that the best you have deception and lies.
I don't see you deserving much more with your sharp cutting tongue.
Then you Earl Weber a claimed 'good Catholic' is promoting lies and
deception as being acceptable.
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Full benefit of Salvation is only through the Roman Catholic Church
"For it is only through Christ's Catholic Church, which is "the
all-embracing means of salvation," that they can benefit fully from
the means of salvation,," (Vatican 2, Decree on Ecumenism, 3).
I wonder if larry sees the term "benefit fully". Clearly "NO" other Christian
or non-Christian or prot Church in the world offers the Catholic Church gifts of
the Holy Mass, 7 sacraments and the teachings of the Vatican and Pope.
They (RCC) offer much in the ways of lies and pedophilia, as you see
in Patrick Barker and Earl Weber.
Why lies, larry, when they are clearly spelled out in the NT scripture?
Then show us this evidence and Catechism of the Catholic Church are
alone not evidence but propaganda.
Talk to your prot buddies. They are the ones that walked away from the
teachings given by Jesus Christ in place for 1600 years when the prot
reformation took place.
The RCC is not God.
Exactly, the RCC is the Church on earth started by God.
Prove it with the RCC history and actions.
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Who made that choice? Clearly not God nor his Son nor the Catholic Church, but
only those that chose another path to live.
Don't fault us for your own mistakes.
Take the RC sacrament of Confession.
John 20:22-23 New International Version (NIV)
22 And with that he breathed on them and said, “Receive the Holy Spirit. 23 If
you forgive anyone’s sins, their sins are forgiven; if you do not forgive them,
they are not forgiven.”
Don't see it limited to Catholic.
It's the very first teachings by Jesus on the afternoon of his resurrection to
his followers who became the keys in the new Christian Church in formation.
Yet again don't see it limited to Catholic.
Then I call your attention to my comment above which confirms that the prots
voted against and waked away form the teachings of Jesus Christ 1600 years
previously.
No it doesn't not even close.
Then why does you church not offer the Sacrament of Confession.
?????
Oh, that's right. You're a pagan with no Church, not a Christian.
Earl you do not need the RCC to repent or confess to God.
1 John 5:16-17 New International Version (NIV)
16 If you see any brother or sister commit a sin that does not lead to death,
you should pray and God will give them life. I refer to those whose sin does not
lead to death. There is a sin that leads to death. I am not saying that you
should pray about that. 17 All wrongdoing is sin, and there is sin that does not
lead to death.
John 20:22-23 New International Version (NIV)
22 And with that he breathed on them and said, “Receive the Holy Spirit. 23 If
you forgive anyone’s sins, their sins are forgiven; if you do not forgive them,
they are not forgiven.”
You are some dense as you seek the fires of hell for your final resting place.
Doesn't support Purgatory of say that the RCC is needed for
Salvation.
There are some things that Jesus gave his new church on earth that only one
other church offers in the Holy Mass, 7 sacraments, the Papacy, etc.

The EOC is a Catholic Chruch objecting to the Pape always being the Bishop of
Rome.

Gosh, larry. Don't you wish you wer intelligent like me.
the dukester, American-American
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2019-12-16 20:25:34 UTC
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Full benefit of Salvation is only through the Roman Catholic Church
"For it is only through Christ's Catholic Church, which is "the
all-embracing means of salvation," that they can benefit fully from
the means of salvation,," (Vatican 2, Decree on Ecumenism, 3).
I wonder if larry sees the term "benefit fully". Clearly "NO" other Christian
or non-Christian or prot Church in the world offers the Catholic Church gifts of
the Holy Mass, 7 sacraments and the teachings of the Vatican and Pope.
They (RCC) offer much in the ways of lies and pedophilia, as you see
in Patrick Barker and Earl Weber.
Why lies, larry, when they are clearly spelled out in the NT scripture?
Then show us this evidence and Catechism of the Catholic Church are
alone not evidence but propaganda.
Talk to your prot buddies. They are the ones that walked away from the
teachings given by Jesus Christ in place for 1600 years when the prot
reformation took place.
The RCC is not God.
Exactly, the RCC is the Church on earth started by God.
Prove it with the RCC history and actions.
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Who made that choice? Clearly not God nor his Son nor the Catholic Church, but
only those that chose another path to live.
Don't fault us for your own mistakes.
Take the RC sacrament of Confession.
John 20:22-23 New International Version (NIV)
22 And with that he breathed on them and said, “Receive the Holy Spirit. 23 If
you forgive anyone’s sins, their sins are forgiven; if you do not forgive them,
they are not forgiven.”
Don't see it limited to Catholic.
It's the very first teachings by Jesus on the afternoon of his resurrection to
his followers who became the keys in the new Christian Church in formation.
Yet again don't see it limited to Catholic.
Then I call your attention to my comment above which confirms that the prots
voted against and waked away form the teachings of Jesus Christ 1600 years
previously.
No it doesn't not even close.
Then why does you church not offer the Sacrament of Confession.
?????
Oh, that's right. You're a pagan with no Church, not a Christian.
Earl you do not need the RCC to repent or confess to God.
1 John 5:16-17 New International Version (NIV)
16 If you see any brother or sister commit a sin that does not lead to death,
you should pray and God will give them life. I refer to those whose sin does not
lead to death. There is a sin that leads to death. I am not saying that you
should pray about that. 17 All wrongdoing is sin, and there is sin that does not
lead to death.
John 20:22-23 New International Version (NIV)
22 And with that he breathed on them and said, “Receive the Holy Spirit. 23 If
you forgive anyone’s sins, their sins are forgiven; if you do not forgive them,
they are not forgiven.”
You are some dense as you seek the fires of hell for your final resting place.
Doesn't support Purgatory of say that the RCC is needed for
Salvation.
There are some things that Jesus gave his new church on earth that only one
other church offers in the Holy Mass, 7 sacraments, the Papacy, etc.
Much of that came from Mithraism.
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The EOC is a Catholic Chruch objecting to the Pape always being the Bishop of
Rome.
Gosh, larry. Don't you wish you wer intelligent like me.
Gosh did you really have sex with that Voodoo whore Marie Therese
LaBourgeois and then her many Husbands?
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the dukester, American-American
PatB
2019-12-16 23:13:33 UTC
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There are some things that Jesus gave his new church on earth that only one
other church offers in the Holy Mass, 7 sacraments, the Papacy, etc.
Much of that came from Mithraism.
Prove it.
With evidence.
Troll.
Robert
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There are some things that Jesus gave his new church on earth that only one
other church offers in the Holy Mass, 7 sacraments, the Papacy, etc.
Much of that came from Mithraism.
Prove it.
With evidence.
Troll.
He already did, at length, per your request.
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But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.
(Heb 11:6 KJV)
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