Re-edits of Kubrick on Youtube

[kelpzoidzl]

I wonder if Kubrick would be busy having letters written to You Tube
about the proliferation of re-edits of short segments of his films?
Or would he just marvel at this new cultural phenomena and laugh along
with it.


Some of them are pretty funny. Some of them are crass or offensive,
but still funny. Some of them are just stupid....some just music
video recuts, some spoofs, some interpretations, some re-
inactments-------


Ultimatly I think it is complimentary to the filmmakers or artists
when their work has been co-opted by the society in such a way that it
is so well-known it has become like a meme to the culture.

here are some re-edits I've seen

The Shining

Eyes Wide Shut

Full Metal Jacket

---quite good

Barry Lyndon

Clockwork Orange

---lol

dc

[kelpzoidzl]

Pretty funny--silly Another EWS

[MP]

I don't usually like these fan edits, but this one is very good:

[ichorwhip]

On Oct 1, 3:01 am, kelpzoidzl <***@gmail.com> wrote:

<snipped a heap of garbage>

I hate all of this shit like poison! Funny that I could tolerate a
little Kubrick mangling before it became so easy to do it, but now
that the flood gates are open as you've taken the time to show us, I
just can't stand it! It's so fucking disrespectful, and I feel sure
that Kubrick, were he still alive, would devote a lot of energy to
having these ruinous pieces of sloppily mishmashed trash removed from
YouTube et al. These crappy clips are right up there with performing
Beethoven's symphonies with farts, inserting dicks and graffiti in
Renaissance paintings by the old masters, and reciting the finest
poetry revised as dirty limericks. "Jesus wept!"

"Private Pyle, what are you trying to do to my beloved Corps?"
i
"piop"

[Boaz]

Post by ichorwhip
<snipped a heap of garbage>
I hate all of this shit like poison!  Funny that I could tolerate a
little Kubrick mangling before it became so easy to do it, but now
that the flood gates are open as you've taken the time to show us, I
just can't stand it!  It's so fucking disrespectful, and I feel sure
that Kubrick, were he still alive, would devote a lot of energy to
having these ruinous pieces of sloppily mishmashed trash removed from
YouTube et al.  These crappy clips are right up there with performing
Beethoven's symphonies with farts, inserting dicks and graffiti in
Renaissance paintings by the old masters, and reciting the finest
poetry revised as dirty limericks. "Jesus wept!"
"Private Pyle, what are you trying to do to my beloved Corps?"
i
"piop"

I concur, Ich. The stuff is trash, total garbage. The one "Shining"
spoof that re-cut the bathroom scene between Jack and Grady was truly
offensive. If the person who did it wasn't trying to be racist they
could have fooled me. They seemed to revel in playing around with the
use of the "N" word. The only thing worse than the video were the
comments by the viewers, a sorry-assed group of ignorant fucks as I've
ever encountered. They take anti-intellectualism to another level.

So do the other videos. These people appear to have money and access
to camera and editing software, and yet they waste their time doing
this shit. These videos are the equivalent to the comment which once
pointed out that just because one has a typewriter in their house it
doesn't make them Hemingway. And no matter how much re-editing is done
on Kubrick's films these clowns will never aspire to be anything other
than jerks who aren't even fit to shine Kubrick's shoes.

Boaz
("That!!! Using Ludwig Van like that! He did no harm to anyone.
Beethoven just wrote music!")

[kelpzoidzl]

Post by ichorwhip
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I hate all of this shit like poison!  Funny that I could tolerate a
little Kubrick mangling before it became so easy to do it, but now
that the flood gates are open as you've taken the time to show us, I
just can't stand it!  It's so fucking disrespectful, and I feel sure
that Kubrick, were he still alive, would devote a lot of energy to
having these ruinous pieces of sloppily mishmashed trash removed from
YouTube et al.  These crappy clips are right up there with performing
Beethoven's symphonies with farts, inserting dicks and graffiti in
Renaissance paintings by the old masters, and reciting the finest
poetry revised as dirty limericks. "Jesus wept!"
"Private Pyle, what are you trying to do to my beloved Corps?"
i
"piop"

I doubt very much Kubrick would remove them. I think he think it was
funny and probably be amused how this kind of cultural phenomena was
happening.

of course most of them are bad, but some of them are funny-silly and
some are quite good little efforts, All of them are paying respect to
the greatness of Kubrick.

dc

[ichorwhip]

Post by kelpzoidzl

Post by ichorwhip
<snipped a heap of garbage>
I hate all of this shit like poison!  Funny that I could tolerate a
little Kubrick mangling before it became so easy to do it, but now
that the flood gates are open as you've taken the time to show us, I
just can't stand it!  It's so fucking disrespectful, and I feel sure
that Kubrick, were he still alive, would devote a lot of energy to
having these ruinous pieces of sloppily mishmashed trash removed from
YouTube et al.  These crappy clips are right up there with performing
Beethoven's symphonies with farts, inserting dicks and graffiti in
Renaissance paintings by the old masters, and reciting the finest
poetry revised as dirty limericks. "Jesus wept!"
"Private Pyle, what are you trying to do to my beloved Corps?"
i
"piop"

I doubt very much Kubrick would remove them.

Of course you say this! Fartdick apologist!

Post by kelpzoidzl
 I think he think it was
funny and probably be amused how this kind of cultural phenomena was
happening.

I think he might have been amused by allusions and references in stuff
like "The Simpsons" and "Airplane"-type movies, but this wholesale
slaughter of his actual imagery and sound is a whole other thing by
far! His artistic integrity is forever violated! As if you give a
shit!

Post by kelpzoidzl
of course most of them are bad, but some of them are funny-silly and
some are quite good little efforts,  All of them are paying respect to
the greatness of Kubrick.

What a load of horseshit! These fuckwits are like derelict techno-
droogs escaped from the confines of ACO's frames to wreak havoc on all
of Kubrick's footage regardless of context or even subject matter
screaming "Are you ready for love?!!!" repeatedly and giggling like
school kids the whole while spanking egg bubbles in their
underpants...

"Pitiful rookerful..."
i
"piop"

[Boaz]

Post by kelpzoidzl

Post by ichorwhip
<snipped a heap of garbage>

A he'pin, heap o' garbage...

Post by kelpzoidzl

Post by ichorwhip
I hate all of this shit like poison!  Funny that I could tolerate a
little Kubrick mangling before it became so easy to do it, but now
that the flood gates are open as you've taken the time to show us, I
just can't stand it!  It's so fucking disrespectful, and I feel sure
that Kubrick, were he still alive, would devote a lot of energy to
having these ruinous pieces of sloppily mishmashed trash removed from
YouTube et al.  These crappy clips are right up there with performing
Beethoven's symphonies with farts, inserting dicks and graffiti in
Renaissance paintings by the old masters, and reciting the finest
poetry revised as dirty limericks. "Jesus wept!"
"Private Pyle, what are you trying to do to my beloved Corps?"
i
"piop"

I doubt very much Kubrick would remove them.

Of course you say this!  Fartdick apologist!

Post by kelpzoidzl
 I think he think it was
funny and probably be amused how this kind of cultural phenomena was
happening.

I think he might have been amused by allusions and references in stuff
like "The Simpsons" and "Airplane"-type movies, but this wholesale
slaughter of his actual imagery and sound is a whole other thing by
far!  His artistic integrity is forever violated!  As if you give a
shit!

Post by kelpzoidzl
of course most of them are bad, but some of them are funny-silly and
some are quite good little efforts,  All of them are paying respect to
the greatness of Kubrick.

What a load of horseshit!  These fuckwits are like derelict techno-
droogs escaped from the confines of ACO's frames to wreak havoc on all
of Kubrick's footage regardless of context or even subject matter
screaming "Are you ready for love?!!!" repeatedly and giggling like
school kids the whole while spanking egg bubbles in their
underpants...
"Pitiful rookerful..."
i
"piop"

What I am seeing here is the equivalent of graffitti-tagging the Mona
Lisa. In fact, what these jerks are doing is the same thing that we
see in the lobby of the building Alex and his family live, where the
mural is desecrated with obscene markings.

These morons (and they ARE morons) have been weaned by rap music,
video games and MTV. They are semi-literate assholes without one bit
of understanding context, as you pointed out yourself, Ich. Are these
same knuckle-draggers and mouth-breathers doing likewise with the more
commercial and popular films? I doubt it. Where is the fun in that?
No, let's just desecrate the real, genuine great works of cinema,
starting with those made by Stanley Kubrick. And these are prolly the
same type of shitheads who still think ACO is cool for the wrong
reasons. They also prolly think R. Lee Ermey is "one cool dude," yet
if any of them were to end up as a Marine recruit they might think
otherwise, because Ermey would rip them a new one to the point where
they would ask for seconds. But, no, here Ermey is a cult hero whose
celebrity status has been secured due to his show on the History
Channel, where he goes off on a semi-parody of his Sgt. Hartmann
persona, which not only might have watered down the context of the
boot camp sequence in FMJ, it might have also given the impression to
these hopeless couch potatoes that "war is cool."

I thought the one trailer parody was funny -- the one that turned "The
Shining" into a "feel-good" comedy. We discussed that one three years
ago. But what is with the "I like turtles" shit? What the fuck is that
all about?

And then Kelpzilla has the gall (and stupidity) to re-run those gawd-
awful FAKE Brian Atene videos. Didn't we already ferret out this
impostor two years ago?

Are people so dumbed-down that they don't even understand what it is
they are watching? Apparently so. It is this kind of mind-set that
would rather vote for some old white guy who has one foot in the
grave, only because he has a "hot looking" running mate, though to me
she looks like a composite drawing of every grade school and junior
high teacher, every PTA mom, every Cub Scout den mother, every high
school girlfriend's mother -- anyone who is a supreme ball-buster and
therefore every young male's worst nightmare -- than to vote for
someone who at least shows he will try his damndest to fight for
change and improvements in this country and its relationship to the
rest of the world should he be elected president.

Bog help us all.

Boaz
("There are times I feel ashamed to be a member of the human race, and
this is one of them.")

[kelpzoidzl]

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Post by kelpzoidzl

Post by ichorwhip
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A he'pin, heap o' garbage...

Post by kelpzoidzl

Post by ichorwhip
I hate all of this shit like poison!  Funny that I could tolerate a
little Kubrick mangling before it became so easy to do it, but now
that the flood gates are open as you've taken the time to show us, I
just can't stand it!  It's so fucking disrespectful, and I feel sure
that Kubrick, were he still alive, would devote a lot of energy to
having these ruinous pieces of sloppily mishmashed trash removed from
YouTube et al.  These crappy clips are right up there with performing
Beethoven's symphonies with farts, inserting dicks and graffiti in
Renaissance paintings by the old masters, and reciting the finest
poetry revised as dirty limericks. "Jesus wept!"
"Private Pyle, what are you trying to do to my beloved Corps?"
i
"piop"

I doubt very much Kubrick would remove them.

Of course you say this!  Fartdick apologist!

Post by kelpzoidzl
 I think he think it was
funny and probably be amused how this kind of cultural phenomena was
happening.

I think he might have been amused by allusions and references in stuff
like "The Simpsons" and "Airplane"-type movies, but this wholesale
slaughter of his actual imagery and sound is a whole other thing by
far!  His artistic integrity is forever violated!  As if you give a
shit!

Post by kelpzoidzl
of course most of them are bad, but some of them are funny-silly and
some are quite good little efforts,  All of them are paying respect to
the greatness of Kubrick.

What a load of horseshit!  These fuckwits are like derelict techno-
droogs escaped from the confines of ACO's frames to wreak havoc on all
of Kubrick's footage regardless of context or even subject matter
screaming "Are you ready for love?!!!" repeatedly and giggling like
school kids the whole while spanking egg bubbles in their
underpants...
"Pitiful rookerful..."
i
"piop"

What I am seeing here is the equivalent of graffitti-tagging the Mona
Lisa. In fact, what these jerks are doing is the same thing that we
see in the lobby of the building Alex and his family live, where the
mural is desecrated with obscene markings.
These morons (and they ARE morons) have been weaned by rap music,
video games and MTV. They are semi-literate assholes without one bit
of understanding context, as you pointed out yourself, Ich. Are these
same knuckle-draggers and mouth-breathers doing likewise with the more
commercial and popular films? I doubt it. Where is the fun in that?
No, let's just desecrate the real, genuine great works of cinema,
starting with those made by Stanley Kubrick. And these are prolly the
same type of shitheads who still think ACO is cool for the wrong
reasons. They also prolly think R. Lee Ermey is "one cool dude," yet
if any of them were to end up as a Marine recruit they might think
otherwise, because Ermey would rip them a new one to the point where
they would ask for seconds. But, no, here Ermey is a cult hero whose
celebrity status has been secured due to his show on the History
Channel, where he goes off on a semi-parody of his Sgt. Hartmann
persona, which not only might have watered down the context of the
boot camp sequence in FMJ, it might have also given the impression to
these hopeless couch potatoes that "war is cool."
I thought the one trailer parody was funny -- the one that turned "The
Shining" into a "feel-good" comedy. We discussed that one three years
ago. But what is with the "I like turtles" shit? What the fuck is that
all about?
And then Kelpzilla has the gall (and stupidity) to re-run those gawd-
awful FAKE Brian Atene videos. Didn't we already ferret out this
impostor two years ago?
Are people so dumbed-down that they don't even understand what it is
they are watching? Apparently so. It is this kind of mind-set that
would rather vote for some old white guy who has one foot in the
grave, only because he has a "hot looking" running mate, though to me
she looks like a composite drawing of every grade school and junior
high teacher, every PTA mom, every Cub Scout den mother, every high
school girlfriend's mother -- anyone who is a supreme ball-buster and
therefore every young male's worst nightmare -- than to vote for
someone who at least shows he will try his damndest to fight for
change and improvements in this country and its relationship to the
rest of the world should he be elected president.
Bog help us all.
Boaz
("There are times I feel ashamed to be a member of the human race, and
this is one of them.")- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

At least these Kubrick You Tubers are doing SOMETHING Boaz.

You should try it.

dc

[Boaz]

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Post by Boaz

Post by kelpzoidzl

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A he'pin, heap o' garbage...

Post by kelpzoidzl

Post by ichorwhip
I hate all of this shit like poison!  Funny that I could tolerate a
little Kubrick mangling before it became so easy to do it, but now
that the flood gates are open as you've taken the time to show us, I
just can't stand it!  It's so fucking disrespectful, and I feel sure
that Kubrick, were he still alive, would devote a lot of energy to
having these ruinous pieces of sloppily mishmashed trash removed from
YouTube et al.  These crappy clips are right up there with performing
Beethoven's symphonies with farts, inserting dicks and graffiti in
Renaissance paintings by the old masters, and reciting the finest
poetry revised as dirty limericks. "Jesus wept!"
"Private Pyle, what are you trying to do to my beloved Corps?"
i
"piop"

I doubt very much Kubrick would remove them.

Of course you say this!  Fartdick apologist!

Post by kelpzoidzl
 I think he think it was
funny and probably be amused how this kind of cultural phenomena was
happening.

I think he might have been amused by allusions and references in stuff
like "The Simpsons" and "Airplane"-type movies, but this wholesale
slaughter of his actual imagery and sound is a whole other thing by
far!  His artistic integrity is forever violated!  As if you give a
shit!

Post by kelpzoidzl
of course most of them are bad, but some of them are funny-silly and
some are quite good little efforts,  All of them are paying respect to
the greatness of Kubrick.

What a load of horseshit!  These fuckwits are like derelict techno-
droogs escaped from the confines of ACO's frames to wreak havoc on all
of Kubrick's footage regardless of context or even subject matter
screaming "Are you ready for love?!!!" repeatedly and giggling like
school kids the whole while spanking egg bubbles in their
underpants...
"Pitiful rookerful..."
i
"piop"

What I am seeing here is the equivalent of graffitti-tagging the Mona
Lisa. In fact, what these jerks are doing is the same thing that we
see in the lobby of the building Alex and his family live, where the
mural is desecrated with obscene markings.
These morons (and they ARE morons) have been weaned by rap music,
video games and MTV. They are semi-literate assholes without one bit
of understanding context, as you pointed out yourself, Ich. Are these
same knuckle-draggers and mouth-breathers doing likewise with the more
commercial and popular films? I doubt it. Where is the fun in that?
No, let's just desecrate the real, genuine great works of cinema,
starting with those made by Stanley Kubrick. And these are prolly the
same type of shitheads who still think ACO is cool for the wrong
reasons. They also prolly think R. Lee Ermey is "one cool dude," yet
if any of them were to end up as a Marine recruit they might think
otherwise, because Ermey would rip them a new one to the point where
they would ask for seconds. But, no, here Ermey is a cult hero whose
celebrity status has been secured due to his show on the History
Channel, where he goes off on a semi-parody of his Sgt. Hartmann
persona, which not only might have watered down the context of the
boot camp sequence in FMJ, it might have also given the impression to
these hopeless couch potatoes that "war is cool."
I thought the one trailer parody was funny -- the one that turned "The
Shining" into a "feel-good" comedy. We discussed that one three years
ago. But what is with the "I like turtles" shit? What the fuck is that
all about?
And then Kelpzilla has the gall (and stupidity) to re-run those gawd-
awful FAKE Brian Atene videos. Didn't we already ferret out this
impostor two years ago?
Are people so dumbed-down that they don't even understand what it is
they are watching? Apparently so. It is this kind of mind-set that
would rather vote for some old white guy who has one foot in the
grave, only because he has a "hot looking" running mate, though to me
she looks like a composite drawing of every grade school and junior
high teacher, every PTA mom, every Cub Scout den mother, every high
school girlfriend's mother -- anyone who is a supreme ball-buster and
therefore every young male's worst nightmare -- than to vote for
someone who at least shows he will try his damndest to fight for
change and improvements in this country and its relationship to the
rest of the world should he be elected president.
Bog help us all.
Boaz
("There are times I feel ashamed to be a member of the human race, and
this is one of them.")- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

At least these Kubrick You Tubers are doing SOMETHING Boaz.
You should try it.
dc

Trashing Kubrick's films is not doing something, ASSHOLE.

Now be a good Buddhist and set yourself on fire.

Boaz

[Boaz]

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Post by Boaz

Post by kelpzoidzl

Post by ichorwhip
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A he'pin, heap o' garbage...

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Post by ichorwhip
I hate all of this shit like poison!  Funny that I could tolerate a
little Kubrick mangling before it became so easy to do it, but now
that the flood gates are open as you've taken the time to show us, I
just can't stand it!  It's so fucking disrespectful, and I feel sure
that Kubrick, were he still alive, would devote a lot of energy to
having these ruinous pieces of sloppily mishmashed trash removed from
YouTube et al.  These crappy clips are right up there with performing
Beethoven's symphonies with farts, inserting dicks and graffiti in
Renaissance paintings by the old masters, and reciting the finest
poetry revised as dirty limericks. "Jesus wept!"
"Private Pyle, what are you trying to do to my beloved Corps?"
i
"piop"

I doubt very much Kubrick would remove them.

Of course you say this!  Fartdick apologist!

Post by kelpzoidzl
 I think he think it was
funny and probably be amused how this kind of cultural phenomena was
happening.

I think he might have been amused by allusions and references in stuff
like "The Simpsons" and "Airplane"-type movies, but this wholesale
slaughter of his actual imagery and sound is a whole other thing by
far!  His artistic integrity is forever violated!  As if you give a
shit!

Post by kelpzoidzl
of course most of them are bad, but some of them are funny-silly and
some are quite good little efforts,  All of them are paying respect to
the greatness of Kubrick.

What a load of horseshit!  These fuckwits are like derelict techno-
droogs escaped from the confines of ACO's frames to wreak havoc on all
of Kubrick's footage regardless of context or even subject matter
screaming "Are you ready for love?!!!" repeatedly and giggling like
school kids the whole while spanking egg bubbles in their
underpants...
"Pitiful rookerful..."
i
"piop"

What I am seeing here is the equivalent of graffitti-tagging the Mona
Lisa. In fact, what these jerks are doing is the same thing that we
see in the lobby of the building Alex and his family live, where the
mural is desecrated with obscene markings.
These morons (and they ARE morons) have been weaned by rap music,
video games and MTV. They are semi-literate assholes without one bit
of understanding context, as you pointed out yourself, Ich. Are these
same knuckle-draggers and mouth-breathers doing likewise with the more
commercial and popular films? I doubt it. Where is the fun in that?
No, let's just desecrate the real, genuine great works of cinema,
starting with those made by Stanley Kubrick. And these are prolly the
same type of shitheads who still think ACO is cool for the wrong
reasons. They also prolly think R. Lee Ermey is "one cool dude," yet
if any of them were to end up as a Marine recruit they might think
otherwise, because Ermey would rip them a new one to the point where
they would ask for seconds. But, no, here Ermey is a cult hero whose
celebrity status has been secured due to his show on the History
Channel, where he goes off on a semi-parody of his Sgt. Hartmann
persona, which not only might have watered down the context of the
boot camp sequence in FMJ, it might have also given the impression to
these hopeless couch potatoes that "war is cool."
I thought the one trailer parody was funny -- the one that turned "The
Shining" into a "feel-good" comedy. We discussed that one three years
ago. But what is with the "I like turtles" shit? What the fuck is that
all about?
And then Kelpzilla has the gall (and stupidity) to re-run those gawd-
awful FAKE Brian Atene videos. Didn't we already ferret out this
impostor two years ago?
Are people so dumbed-down that they don't even understand what it is
they are watching? Apparently so. It is this kind of mind-set that
would rather vote for some old white guy who has one foot in the
grave, only because he has a "hot looking" running mate, though to me
she looks like a composite drawing of every grade school and junior
high teacher, every PTA mom, every Cub Scout den mother, every high
school girlfriend's mother -- anyone who is a supreme ball-buster and
therefore every young male's worst nightmare -- than to vote for
someone who at least shows he will try his damndest to fight for
change and improvements in this country and its relationship to the
rest of the world should he be elected president.
Bog help us all.
Boaz
("There are times I feel ashamed to be a member of the human race, and
this is one of them.")- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

At least these Kubrick You Tubers are doing SOMETHING Boaz.
You should try it.
dc

Trashing Kubrick's films is not doing something, ASSHOLE.
Now be a good Buddhist and set yourself on fire.
Boaz

And what makes you think I am not doing anything, just because it
doesn't show up on YouTube where all of the other losers post their
shit?

Dickhead. Not every work in progress is out there for everyone to see
24/7.

[Wordsmith]

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Post by ichorwhip
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A he'pin, heap o' garbage...

Post by kelpzoidzl

Post by ichorwhip
I hate all of this shit like poison!  Funny that I could tolerate a
little Kubrick mangling before it became so easy to do it, but now
that the flood gates are open as you've taken the time to show us, I
just can't stand it!  It's so fucking disrespectful, and I feel sure
that Kubrick, were he still alive, would devote a lot of energy to
having these ruinous pieces of sloppily mishmashed trash removed from
YouTube et al.  These crappy clips are right up there with performing
Beethoven's symphonies with farts, inserting dicks and graffiti in
Renaissance paintings by the old masters, and reciting the finest
poetry revised as dirty limericks. "Jesus wept!"
"Private Pyle, what are you trying to do to my beloved Corps?"
i
"piop"

I doubt very much Kubrick would remove them.

Of course you say this!  Fartdick apologist!

Post by kelpzoidzl
 I think he think it was
funny and probably be amused how this kind of cultural phenomena was
happening.

I think he might have been amused by allusions and references in stuff
like "The Simpsons" and "Airplane"-type movies, but this wholesale
slaughter of his actual imagery and sound is a whole other thing by
far!  His artistic integrity is forever violated!  As if you give a
shit!

Post by kelpzoidzl
of course most of them are bad, but some of them are funny-silly and
some are quite good little efforts,  All of them are paying respect to
the greatness of Kubrick.

What a load of horseshit!  These fuckwits are like derelict techno-
droogs escaped from the confines of ACO's frames to wreak havoc on all
of Kubrick's footage regardless of context or even subject matter
screaming "Are you ready for love?!!!" repeatedly and giggling like
school kids the whole while spanking egg bubbles in their
underpants...
"Pitiful rookerful..."
i
"piop"

What I am seeing here is the equivalent of graffitti-tagging the Mona
Lisa. In fact, what these jerks are doing is the same thing that we
see in the lobby of the building Alex and his family live, where the
mural is desecrated with obscene markings.
These morons (and they ARE morons) have been weaned by rap music,
video games and MTV. They are semi-literate assholes without one bit
of understanding context, as you pointed out yourself, Ich. Are these
same knuckle-draggers and mouth-breathers doing likewise with the more
commercial and popular films? I doubt it. Where is the fun in that?
No, let's just desecrate the real, genuine great works of cinema,
starting with those made by Stanley Kubrick. And these are prolly the
same type of shitheads who still think ACO is cool for the wrong
reasons. They also prolly think R. Lee Ermey is "one cool dude," yet
if any of them were to end up as a Marine recruit they might think
otherwise, because Ermey would rip them a new one to the point where
they would ask for seconds. But, no, here Ermey is a cult hero whose
celebrity status has been secured due to his show on the History
Channel, where he goes off on a semi-parody of his Sgt. Hartmann
persona, which not only might have watered down the context of the
boot camp sequence in FMJ, it might have also given the impression to
these hopeless couch potatoes that "war is cool."
I thought the one trailer parody was funny -- the one that turned "The
Shining" into a "feel-good" comedy. We discussed that one three years
ago. But what is with the "I like turtles" shit? What the fuck is that
all about?
And then Kelpzilla has the gall (and stupidity) to re-run those gawd-
awful FAKE Brian Atene videos. Didn't we already ferret out this
impostor two years ago?
Are people so dumbed-down that they don't even understand what it is
they are watching? Apparently so. It is this kind of mind-set that
would rather vote for some old white guy who has one foot in the
grave, only because he has a "hot looking" running mate, though to me
she looks like a composite drawing of every grade school and junior
high teacher, every PTA mom, every Cub Scout den mother, every high
school girlfriend's mother -- anyone who is a supreme ball-buster and
therefore every young male's worst nightmare -- than to vote for
someone who at least shows he will try his damndest to fight for
change and improvements in this country and its relationship to the
rest of the world should he be elected president.
Bog help us all.
Boaz
("There are times I feel ashamed to be a member of the human race, and
this is one of them.")- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

At least these Kubrick You Tubers are doing SOMETHING Boaz.
You should try it.
dc

Trashing Kubrick's films is not doing something, ASSHOLE.
Now be a good Buddhist and set yourself on fire.
Boaz-

The newsreel clip from *Persona* just popped into my head!

W ; )

[Harry Bailey]

Post by Boaz

Post by kelpzoidzl

Post by ichorwhip
<snipped a heap of garbage>

A he'pin, heap o' garbage...

Post by kelpzoidzl

Post by ichorwhip
I hate all of this shit like poison!  Funny that I could tolerate a
little Kubrick mangling before it became so easy to do it, but now
that the flood gates are open as you've taken the time to show us, I
just can't stand it!  It's so fucking disrespectful, and I feel sure
that Kubrick, were he still alive, would devote a lot of energy to
having these ruinous pieces of sloppily mishmashed trash removed from
YouTube et al.  These crappy clips are right up there with performing
Beethoven's symphonies with farts, inserting dicks and graffiti in
Renaissance paintings by the old masters, and reciting the finest
poetry revised as dirty limericks. "Jesus wept!"
"Private Pyle, what are you trying to do to my beloved Corps?"
i
"piop"

I doubt very much Kubrick would remove them.

Of course you say this!  Fartdick apologist!

Post by kelpzoidzl
 I think he think it was
funny and probably be amused how this kind of cultural phenomena was
happening.

I think he might have been amused by allusions and references in stuff
like "The Simpsons" and "Airplane"-type movies, but this wholesale
slaughter of his actual imagery and sound is a whole other thing by
far!  His artistic integrity is forever violated!  As if you give a
shit!

Post by kelpzoidzl
of course most of them are bad, but some of them are funny-silly and
some are quite good little efforts,  All of them are paying respect to
the greatness of Kubrick.

What a load of horseshit!  These fuckwits are like derelict techno-
droogs escaped from the confines of ACO's frames to wreak havoc on all
of Kubrick's footage regardless of context or even subject matter
screaming "Are you ready for love?!!!" repeatedly and giggling like
school kids the whole while spanking egg bubbles in their
underpants...
"Pitiful rookerful..."
i
"piop"

What I am seeing here is the equivalent of graffitti-tagging the Mona
Lisa. In fact, what these jerks are doing is the same thing that we
see in the lobby of the building Alex and his family live, where the
mural is desecrated with obscene markings.
These morons (and they ARE morons) have been weaned by rap music,
video games and MTV. They are semi-literate assholes without one bit
of understanding context, as you pointed out yourself, Ich. Are these
same knuckle-draggers and mouth-breathers doing likewise with the more
commercial and popular films? I doubt it. Where is the fun in that?
No, let's just desecrate the real, genuine great works of cinema,
starting with those made by Stanley Kubrick. And these are prolly the
same type of shitheads who still think ACO is cool for the wrong
reasons. They also prolly think R. Lee Ermey is "one cool dude," yet
if any of them were to end up as a Marine recruit they might think
otherwise, because Ermey would rip them a new one to the point where
they would ask for seconds. But, no, here Ermey is a cult hero whose
celebrity status has been secured due to his show on the History
Channel, where he goes off on a semi-parody of his Sgt. Hartmann
persona, which not only might have watered down the context of the
boot camp sequence in FMJ, it might have also given the impression to
these hopeless couch potatoes that "war is cool."
I thought the one trailer parody was funny -- the one that turned "The
Shining" into a "feel-good" comedy. We discussed that one three years
ago. But what is with the "I like turtles" shit? What the fuck is that
all about?
And then Kelpzilla has the gall (and stupidity) to re-run those gawd-
awful FAKE Brian Atene videos. Didn't we already ferret out this
impostor two years ago?
Are people so dumbed-down that they don't even understand what it is
they are watching? Apparently so. It is this kind of mind-set that
would rather vote for some old white guy who has one foot in the
grave, only because he has a "hot looking" running mate, though to me
she looks like a composite drawing of every grade school and junior
high teacher, every PTA mom, every Cub Scout den mother, every high
school girlfriend's mother -- anyone who is a supreme ball-buster and
therefore every young male's worst nightmare -- than to vote for
someone who at least shows he will try his damndest to fight for
change and improvements in this country and its relationship to the
rest of the world should he be elected president.
Bog help us all.
Boaz
("There are times I feel ashamed to be a member of the human race, and
this is one of them.")-

It's the horrendously parasitic nature of such vacuous u-tube pastiche
that is particularly galling (and, even worse, the idiots who actively
promote them, like the must-post-more-looney-drivel Kelps parasite).
Deflationary, desublimating, desensitizing, ahistorical, apolitical,
kids-in-a-candy-store consumerist delirium, a gratuitous zombie
clipfest that confirms McLuhan's prescient "the medium is the
message." Of course, like net porn, it can only get worse ...

[Wordsmith]

Post by Harry Bailey

Post by Boaz

Post by kelpzoidzl

Post by ichorwhip
<snipped a heap of garbage>

A he'pin, heap o' garbage...

Post by kelpzoidzl

Post by ichorwhip
I hate all of this shit like poison!  Funny that I could tolerate a
little Kubrick mangling before it became so easy to do it, but now
that the flood gates are open as you've taken the time to show us, I
just can't stand it!  It's so fucking disrespectful, and I feel sure
that Kubrick, were he still alive, would devote a lot of energy to
having these ruinous pieces of sloppily mishmashed trash removed from
YouTube et al.  These crappy clips are right up there with performing
Beethoven's symphonies with farts, inserting dicks and graffiti in
Renaissance paintings by the old masters, and reciting the finest
poetry revised as dirty limericks. "Jesus wept!"
"Private Pyle, what are you trying to do to my beloved Corps?"
i
"piop"

I doubt very much Kubrick would remove them.

Of course you say this!  Fartdick apologist!

Post by kelpzoidzl
 I think he think it was
funny and probably be amused how this kind of cultural phenomena was
happening.

I think he might have been amused by allusions and references in stuff
like "The Simpsons" and "Airplane"-type movies, but this wholesale
slaughter of his actual imagery and sound is a whole other thing by
far!  His artistic integrity is forever violated!  As if you give a
shit!

Post by kelpzoidzl
of course most of them are bad, but some of them are funny-silly and
some are quite good little efforts,  All of them are paying respect to
the greatness of Kubrick.

What a load of horseshit!  These fuckwits are like derelict techno-
droogs escaped from the confines of ACO's frames to wreak havoc on all
of Kubrick's footage regardless of context or even subject matter
screaming "Are you ready for love?!!!" repeatedly and giggling like
school kids the whole while spanking egg bubbles in their
underpants...
"Pitiful rookerful..."
i
"piop"

What I am seeing here is the equivalent of graffitti-tagging the Mona
Lisa. In fact, what these jerks are doing is the same thing that we
see in the lobby of the building Alex and his family live, where the
mural is desecrated with obscene markings.
These morons (and they ARE morons) have been weaned by rap music,
video games and MTV. They are semi-literate assholes without one bit
of understanding context, as you pointed out yourself, Ich. Are these
same knuckle-draggers and mouth-breathers doing likewise with the more
commercial and popular films? I doubt it. Where is the fun in that?
No, let's just desecrate the real, genuine great works of cinema,
starting with those made by Stanley Kubrick. And these are prolly the
same type of shitheads who still think ACO is cool for the wrong
reasons. They also prolly think R. Lee Ermey is "one cool dude," yet
if any of them were to end up as a Marine recruit they might think
otherwise, because Ermey would rip them a new one to the point where
they would ask for seconds. But, no, here Ermey is a cult hero whose
celebrity status has been secured due to his show on the History
Channel, where he goes off on a semi-parody of his Sgt. Hartmann
persona, which not only might have watered down the context of the
boot camp sequence in FMJ, it might have also given the impression to
these hopeless couch potatoes that "war is cool."
I thought the one trailer parody was funny -- the one that turned "The
Shining" into a "feel-good" comedy. We discussed that one three years
ago. But what is with the "I like turtles" shit? What the fuck is that
all about?
And then Kelpzilla has the gall (and stupidity) to re-run those gawd-
awful FAKE Brian Atene videos. Didn't we already ferret out this
impostor two years ago?
Are people so dumbed-down that they don't even understand what it is
they are watching? Apparently so. It is this kind of mind-set that
would rather vote for some old white guy who has one foot in the
grave, only because he has a "hot looking" running mate, though to me
she looks like a composite drawing of every grade school and junior
high teacher, every PTA mom, every Cub Scout den mother, every high
school girlfriend's mother -- anyone who is a supreme ball-buster and
therefore every young male's worst nightmare -- than to vote for
someone who at least shows he will try his damndest to fight for
change and improvements in this country and its relationship to the
rest of the world should he be elected president.
Bog help us all.
Boaz
("There are times I feel ashamed to be a member of the human race, and
this is one of them.")-

It's the horrendously parasitic nature of such vacuous u-tube pastiche
that is particularly galling (and, even worse, the idiots who actively
promote them, like the must-post-more-looney-drivel Kelps parasite).
Deflationary, desublimating, desensitizing, ahistorical, apolitical,
kids-in-a-candy-store consumerist delirium, a gratuitous zombie
clipfest that confirms McLuhan's prescient "the medium is the
message." Of course, like net porn, it can only get worse ...

Hey, lets BAN pastiche and mashups! Can't have folks getting
creative now, can we? Get real. Oh, and let's banish porn, too.
Hahahahahahahahaha!

W : )

[Harry Bailey]

Post by Wordsmith

Post by Harry Bailey

Post by Boaz

Post by kelpzoidzl

Post by ichorwhip
<snipped a heap of garbage>

A he'pin, heap o' garbage...

Post by kelpzoidzl

Post by ichorwhip
I hate all of this shit like poison!  Funny that I could tolerate a
little Kubrick mangling before it became so easy to do it, but now
that the flood gates are open as you've taken the time to show us, I
just can't stand it!  It's so fucking disrespectful, and I feel sure
that Kubrick, were he still alive, would devote a lot of energy to
having these ruinous pieces of sloppily mishmashed trash removed from
YouTube et al.  These crappy clips are right up there with performing
Beethoven's symphonies with farts, inserting dicks and graffiti in
Renaissance paintings by the old masters, and reciting the finest
poetry revised as dirty limericks. "Jesus wept!"
"Private Pyle, what are you trying to do to my beloved Corps?"
i
"piop"

I doubt very much Kubrick would remove them.

Of course you say this!  Fartdick apologist!

Post by kelpzoidzl
 I think he think it was
funny and probably be amused how this kind of cultural phenomena was
happening.

I think he might have been amused by allusions and references in stuff
like "The Simpsons" and "Airplane"-type movies, but this wholesale
slaughter of his actual imagery and sound is a whole other thing by
far!  His artistic integrity is forever violated!  As if you give a
shit!

Post by kelpzoidzl
of course most of them are bad, but some of them are funny-silly and
some are quite good little efforts,  All of them are paying respect to
the greatness of Kubrick.

What a load of horseshit!  These fuckwits are like derelict techno-
droogs escaped from the confines of ACO's frames to wreak havoc on all
of Kubrick's footage regardless of context or even subject matter
screaming "Are you ready for love?!!!" repeatedly and giggling like
school kids the whole while spanking egg bubbles in their
underpants...
"Pitiful rookerful..."
i
"piop"

What I am seeing here is the equivalent of graffitti-tagging the Mona
Lisa. In fact, what these jerks are doing is the same thing that we
see in the lobby of the building Alex and his family live, where the
mural is desecrated with obscene markings.
These morons (and they ARE morons) have been weaned by rap music,
video games and MTV. They are semi-literate assholes without one bit
of understanding context, as you pointed out yourself, Ich. Are these
same knuckle-draggers and mouth-breathers doing likewise with the more
commercial and popular films? I doubt it. Where is the fun in that?
No, let's just desecrate the real, genuine great works of cinema,
starting with those made by Stanley Kubrick. And these are prolly the
same type of shitheads who still think ACO is cool for the wrong
reasons. They also prolly think R. Lee Ermey is "one cool dude," yet
if any of them were to end up as a Marine recruit they might think
otherwise, because Ermey would rip them a new one to the point where
they would ask for seconds. But, no, here Ermey is a cult hero whose
celebrity status has been secured due to his show on the History
Channel, where he goes off on a semi-parody of his Sgt. Hartmann
persona, which not only might have watered down the context of the
boot camp sequence in FMJ, it might have also given the impression to
these hopeless couch potatoes that "war is cool."
I thought the one trailer parody was funny -- the one that turned "The
Shining" into a "feel-good" comedy. We discussed that one three years
ago. But what is with the "I like turtles" shit? What the fuck is that
all about?
And then Kelpzilla has the gall (and stupidity) to re-run those gawd-
awful FAKE Brian Atene videos. Didn't we already ferret out this
impostor two years ago?
Are people so dumbed-down that they don't even understand what it is
they are watching? Apparently so. It is this kind of mind-set that
would rather vote for some old white guy who has one foot in the
grave, only because he has a "hot looking" running mate, though to me
she looks like a composite drawing of every grade school and junior
high teacher, every PTA mom, every Cub Scout den mother, every high
school girlfriend's mother -- anyone who is a supreme ball-buster and
therefore every young male's worst nightmare -- than to vote for
someone who at least shows he will try his damndest to fight for
change and improvements in this country and its relationship to the
rest of the world should he be elected president.
Bog help us all.
Boaz
("There are times I feel ashamed to be a member of the human race, and
this is one of them.")-

It's the horrendously parasitic nature of such vacuous u-tube pastiche
that is particularly galling (and, even worse, the idiots who actively
promote them, like the must-post-more-looney-drivel Kelps parasite).
Deflationary, desublimating, desensitizing, ahistorical, apolitical,
kids-in-a-candy-store consumerist delirium, a gratuitous zombie
clipfest that confirms McLuhan's prescient "the medium is the
message." Of course, like net porn, it can only get worse ...

Hey, lets BAN pastiche and mashups! Can't have folks getting
creative now, can we? Get real. Oh, and let's banish porn, too.
Hahahahahahahahaha!
W : )-

Wendy: Jack!!! Your manuscript ... it's ... it's just ... it's all ...
the same!!
Jacksmith: Wendy, hun, light of my life, you wanna ban it or sumtin'?
It's called bein' creativ'! So why don't you get real and go wash some
dishes and leave me to my important artistic creativity, okay? I'm
creatin' a whole nu genre ... ASSTRACT NETSPRESSIONISM! Kids will love
it!

[Wordsmith]

Post by Harry Bailey

Post by Wordsmith

Post by Harry Bailey

Post by Boaz

Post by kelpzoidzl

Post by ichorwhip
<snipped a heap of garbage>

A he'pin, heap o' garbage...

Post by kelpzoidzl

Post by ichorwhip
I hate all of this shit like poison!  Funny that I could tolerate a
little Kubrick mangling before it became so easy to do it, but now
that the flood gates are open as you've taken the time to show us, I
just can't stand it!  It's so fucking disrespectful, and I feel sure
that Kubrick, were he still alive, would devote a lot of energy to
having these ruinous pieces of sloppily mishmashed trash removed from
YouTube et al.  These crappy clips are right up there with performing
Beethoven's symphonies with farts, inserting dicks and graffiti in
Renaissance paintings by the old masters, and reciting the finest
poetry revised as dirty limericks. "Jesus wept!"
"Private Pyle, what are you trying to do to my beloved Corps?"
i
"piop"

I doubt very much Kubrick would remove them.

Of course you say this!  Fartdick apologist!

Post by kelpzoidzl
 I think he think it was
funny and probably be amused how this kind of cultural phenomena was
happening.

I think he might have been amused by allusions and references in stuff
like "The Simpsons" and "Airplane"-type movies, but this wholesale
slaughter of his actual imagery and sound is a whole other thing by
far!  His artistic integrity is forever violated!  As if you give a
shit!

Post by kelpzoidzl
of course most of them are bad, but some of them are funny-silly and
some are quite good little efforts,  All of them are paying respect to
the greatness of Kubrick.

What a load of horseshit!  These fuckwits are like derelict techno-
droogs escaped from the confines of ACO's frames to wreak havoc on all
of Kubrick's footage regardless of context or even subject matter
screaming "Are you ready for love?!!!" repeatedly and giggling like
school kids the whole while spanking egg bubbles in their
underpants...
"Pitiful rookerful..."
i
"piop"

What I am seeing here is the equivalent of graffitti-tagging the Mona
Lisa. In fact, what these jerks are doing is the same thing that we
see in the lobby of the building Alex and his family live, where the
mural is desecrated with obscene markings.
These morons (and they ARE morons) have been weaned by rap music,
video games and MTV. They are semi-literate assholes without one bit
of understanding context, as you pointed out yourself, Ich. Are these
same knuckle-draggers and mouth-breathers doing likewise with the more
commercial and popular films? I doubt it. Where is the fun in that?
No, let's just desecrate the real, genuine great works of cinema,
starting with those made by Stanley Kubrick. And these are prolly the
same type of shitheads who still think ACO is cool for the wrong
reasons. They also prolly think R. Lee Ermey is "one cool dude," yet
if any of them were to end up as a Marine recruit they might think
otherwise, because Ermey would rip them a new one to the point where
they would ask for seconds. But, no, here Ermey is a cult hero whose
celebrity status has been secured due to his show on the History
Channel, where he goes off on a semi-parody of his Sgt. Hartmann
persona, which not only might have watered down the context of the
boot camp sequence in FMJ, it might have also given the impression to
these hopeless couch potatoes that "war is cool."
I thought the one trailer parody was funny -- the one that turned "The
Shining" into a "feel-good" comedy. We discussed that one three years
ago. But what is with the "I like turtles" shit? What the fuck is that
all about?
And then Kelpzilla has the gall (and stupidity) to re-run those gawd-
awful FAKE Brian Atene videos. Didn't we already ferret out this
impostor two years ago?
Are people so dumbed-down that they don't even understand what it is
they are watching? Apparently so. It is this kind of mind-set that
would rather vote for some old white guy who has one foot in the
grave, only because he has a "hot looking" running mate, though to me
she looks like a composite drawing of every grade school and junior
high teacher, every PTA mom, every Cub Scout den mother, every high
school girlfriend's mother -- anyone who is a supreme ball-buster and
therefore every young male's worst nightmare -- than to vote for
someone who at least shows he will try his damndest to fight for
change and improvements in this country and its relationship to the
rest of the world should he be elected president.
Bog help us all.
Boaz
("There are times I feel ashamed to be a member of the human race, and
this is one of them.")-

It's the horrendously parasitic nature of such vacuous u-tube pastiche
that is particularly galling (and, even worse, the idiots who actively
promote them, like the must-post-more-looney-drivel Kelps parasite).
Deflationary, desublimating, desensitizing, ahistorical, apolitical,
kids-in-a-candy-store consumerist delirium, a gratuitous zombie
clipfest that confirms McLuhan's prescient "the medium is the
message." Of course, like net porn, it can only get worse ...

Hey, lets BAN pastiche and mashups! Can't have folks getting
creative now, can we? Get real. Oh, and let's banish porn, too.
Hahahahahahahahaha!
W : )-

Wendy: Jack!!! Your manuscript ... it's ... it's just ... it's all ...
the same!!
Jacksmith: Wendy, hun, light of my life, you wanna ban it or sumtin'?
It's called bein' creativ'! So why don't you get real and go wash some
dishes and leave me to my important artistic creativity, okay? I'm
creatin' a whole nu genre ... ASSTRACT NETSPRESSIONISM! Kids will love
it!

The very fact you can imagine my being married to
Wendy makes my heart sing!

W : )

[Harry Bailey]

Post by Wordsmith

Post by Harry Bailey

Post by Wordsmith

Post by Harry Bailey

Post by Boaz

Post by kelpzoidzl

Post by ichorwhip
<snipped a heap of garbage>

A he'pin, heap o' garbage...

Post by kelpzoidzl

Post by ichorwhip
I hate all of this shit like poison!  Funny that I could tolerate a
little Kubrick mangling before it became so easy to do it, but now
that the flood gates are open as you've taken the time to show us, I
just can't stand it!  It's so fucking disrespectful, and I feel sure
that Kubrick, were he still alive, would devote a lot of energy to
having these ruinous pieces of sloppily mishmashed trash removed from
YouTube et al.  These crappy clips are right up there with performing
Beethoven's symphonies with farts, inserting dicks and graffiti in
Renaissance paintings by the old masters, and reciting the finest
poetry revised as dirty limericks. "Jesus wept!"
"Private Pyle, what are you trying to do to my beloved Corps?"
i
"piop"

I doubt very much Kubrick would remove them.

Of course you say this!  Fartdick apologist!

Post by kelpzoidzl
 I think he think it was
funny and probably be amused how this kind of cultural phenomena was
happening.

I think he might have been amused by allusions and references in stuff
like "The Simpsons" and "Airplane"-type movies, but this wholesale
slaughter of his actual imagery and sound is a whole other thing by
far!  His artistic integrity is forever violated!  As if you give a
shit!

Post by kelpzoidzl
of course most of them are bad, but some of them are funny-silly and
some are quite good little efforts,  All of them are paying respect to
the greatness of Kubrick.

What a load of horseshit!  These fuckwits are like derelict techno-
droogs escaped from the confines of ACO's frames to wreak havoc on all
of Kubrick's footage regardless of context or even subject matter
screaming "Are you ready for love?!!!" repeatedly and giggling like
school kids the whole while spanking egg bubbles in their
underpants...
"Pitiful rookerful..."
i
"piop"

What I am seeing here is the equivalent of graffitti-tagging the Mona
Lisa. In fact, what these jerks are doing is the same thing that we
see in the lobby of the building Alex and his family live, where the
mural is desecrated with obscene markings.
These morons (and they ARE morons) have been weaned by rap music,
video games and MTV. They are semi-literate assholes without one bit
of understanding context, as you pointed out yourself, Ich. Are these
same knuckle-draggers and mouth-breathers doing likewise with the more
commercial and popular films? I doubt it. Where is the fun in that?
No, let's just desecrate the real, genuine great works of cinema,
starting with those made by Stanley Kubrick. And these are prolly the
same type of shitheads who still think ACO is cool for the wrong
reasons. They also prolly think R. Lee Ermey is "one cool dude," yet
if any of them were to end up as a Marine recruit they might think
otherwise, because Ermey would rip them a new one to the point where
they would ask for seconds. But, no, here Ermey is a cult hero whose
celebrity status has been secured due to his show on the History
Channel, where he goes off on a semi-parody of his Sgt. Hartmann
persona, which not only might have watered down the context of the
boot camp sequence in FMJ, it might have also given the impression to
these hopeless couch potatoes that "war is cool."
I thought the one trailer parody was funny -- the one that turned "The
Shining" into a "feel-good" comedy. We discussed that one three years
ago. But what is with the "I like turtles" shit? What the fuck is that
all about?
And then Kelpzilla has the gall (and stupidity) to re-run those gawd-
awful FAKE Brian Atene videos. Didn't we already ferret out this
impostor two years ago?
Are people so dumbed-down that they don't even understand what it is
they are watching? Apparently so. It is this kind of mind-set that
would rather vote for some old white guy who has one foot in the
grave, only because he has a "hot looking" running mate, though to me
she looks like a composite drawing of every grade school and junior
high teacher, every PTA mom, every Cub Scout den mother, every high
school girlfriend's mother -- anyone who is a supreme ball-buster and
therefore every young male's worst nightmare -- than to vote for
someone who at least shows he will try his damndest to fight for
change and improvements in this country and its relationship to the
rest of the world should he be elected president.
Bog help us all.
Boaz
("There are times I feel ashamed to be a member of the human race, and
this is one of them.")-

It's the horrendously parasitic nature of such vacuous u-tube pastiche
that is particularly galling (and, even worse, the idiots who actively
promote them, like the must-post-more-looney-drivel Kelps parasite).
Deflationary, desublimating, desensitizing, ahistorical, apolitical,
kids-in-a-candy-store consumerist delirium, a gratuitous zombie
clipfest that confirms McLuhan's prescient "the medium is the
message." Of course, like net porn, it can only get worse ...

Hey, lets BAN pastiche and mashups! Can't have folks getting
creative now, can we? Get real. Oh, and let's banish porn, too.
Hahahahahahahahaha!
W : )-

Wendy: Jack!!! Your manuscript ... it's ... it's just ... it's all ...
the same!!
Jacksmith: Wendy, hun, light of my life, you wanna ban it or sumtin'?
It's called bein' creativ'! So why don't you get real and go wash some
dishes and leave me to my important artistic creativity, okay? I'm
creatin' a whole nu genre ... ASSTRACT NETSPRESSIONISM! Kids will love
it!

The very fact you can imagine my being married to
Wendy makes my heart sing!
W : )-

Wendy: Jack, there's something maybe very important I have to tell
you.
Jacksmith: And what maybe is so very important that you have to tell
me?
Wendy: I think maybe it's about Danny and me.
Jacksmith: So you think maybe it's about Danny and you.
Wendy: Jack, Jack! Danny and I ain't real. We ... we're just
mannequins, puppets playing to the real Wendy and Danny's instruction.
Jacksmith: Are you out of your fucking mind?
Wendy: Well, strictly speaking, yes, I am. I'm not Wendy at all, only
her voice and appearance. Wendy and Danny left here weeks ago in
Halloran's snowcat. So you've been fucking a dummy these past few
weeks.
Jacksmith: Are you out of your fucking mind?
Wendy: Jack, I'm not me, I'm not Wendy. Danny and Wendy left here
weeks ago with Halloran just after we replaced ourselves with animated
mannequin dummies. You're here all on your own with the Overlook's
spectres and some dummies in Wendy and Danny's likeness. We dummies
too are spectres. If you'd like, and we know you'd like, you can even
bash our brains 'right the fuck in' as you always like to threaten,
but then we'll just be replaced by new replicant dummies. You can even
go on bashing our brains in forever and ever ... Jack, you've been
masturbating yourself all your unlife.

[Wordsmith]

Post by Harry Bailey

Post by Wordsmith

Post by Harry Bailey

Post by Wordsmith

Post by Harry Bailey

Post by Boaz

Post by kelpzoidzl

Post by ichorwhip
<snipped a heap of garbage>

A he'pin, heap o' garbage...

Post by kelpzoidzl

Post by ichorwhip
I hate all of this shit like poison!  Funny that I could tolerate a
little Kubrick mangling before it became so easy to do it, but now
that the flood gates are open as you've taken the time to show us, I
just can't stand it!  It's so fucking disrespectful, and I feel sure
that Kubrick, were he still alive, would devote a lot of energy to
having these ruinous pieces of sloppily mishmashed trash removed from
YouTube et al.  These crappy clips are right up there with performing
Beethoven's symphonies with farts, inserting dicks and graffiti in
Renaissance paintings by the old masters, and reciting the finest
poetry revised as dirty limericks. "Jesus wept!"
"Private Pyle, what are you trying to do to my beloved Corps?"
i
"piop"

I doubt very much Kubrick would remove them.

Of course you say this!  Fartdick apologist!

Post by kelpzoidzl
 I think he think it was
funny and probably be amused how this kind of cultural phenomena was
happening.

I think he might have been amused by allusions and references in stuff
like "The Simpsons" and "Airplane"-type movies, but this wholesale
slaughter of his actual imagery and sound is a whole other thing by
far!  His artistic integrity is forever violated!  As if you give a
shit!

Post by kelpzoidzl
of course most of them are bad, but some of them are funny-silly and
some are quite good little efforts,  All of them are paying respect to
the greatness of Kubrick.

What a load of horseshit!  These fuckwits are like derelict techno-
droogs escaped from the confines of ACO's frames to wreak havoc on all
of Kubrick's footage regardless of context or even subject matter
screaming "Are you ready for love?!!!" repeatedly and giggling like
school kids the whole while spanking egg bubbles in their
underpants...
"Pitiful rookerful..."
i
"piop"

What I am seeing here is the equivalent of graffitti-tagging the Mona
Lisa. In fact, what these jerks are doing is the same thing that we
see in the lobby of the building Alex and his family live, where the
mural is desecrated with obscene markings.
These morons (and they ARE morons) have been weaned by rap music,
video games and MTV. They are semi-literate assholes without one bit
of understanding context, as you pointed out yourself, Ich. Are these
same knuckle-draggers and mouth-breathers doing likewise with the more
commercial and popular films? I doubt it. Where is the fun in that?
No, let's just desecrate the real, genuine great works of cinema,
starting with those made by Stanley Kubrick. And these are prolly the
same type of shitheads who still think ACO is cool for the wrong
reasons. They also prolly think R. Lee Ermey is "one cool dude," yet
if any of them were to end up as a Marine recruit they might think
otherwise, because Ermey would rip them a new one to the point where
they would ask for seconds. But, no, here Ermey is a cult hero whose
celebrity status has been secured due to his show on the History
Channel, where he goes off on a semi-parody of his Sgt. Hartmann
persona, which not only might have watered down the context of the
boot camp sequence in FMJ, it might have also given the impression to
these hopeless couch potatoes that "war is cool."
I thought the one trailer parody was funny -- the one that turned "The
Shining" into a "feel-good" comedy. We discussed that one three years
ago. But what is with the "I like turtles" shit? What the fuck is that
all about?
And then Kelpzilla has the gall (and stupidity) to re-run those gawd-
awful FAKE Brian Atene videos. Didn't we already ferret out this
impostor two years ago?
Are people so dumbed-down that they don't even understand what it is
they are watching? Apparently so. It is this kind of mind-set that
would rather vote for some old white guy who has one foot in the
grave, only because he has a "hot looking" running mate, though to me
she looks like a composite drawing of every grade school and junior
high teacher, every PTA mom, every Cub Scout den mother, every high
school girlfriend's mother -- anyone who is a supreme ball-buster and
therefore every young male's worst nightmare -- than to vote for
someone who at least shows he will try his damndest to fight for
change and improvements in this country and its relationship to the
rest of the world should he be elected president.
Bog help us all.
Boaz
("There are times I feel ashamed to be a member of the human race, and
this is one of them.")-

It's the horrendously parasitic nature of such vacuous u-tube pastiche
that is particularly galling (and, even worse, the idiots who actively
promote them, like the must-post-more-looney-drivel Kelps parasite).
Deflationary, desublimating, desensitizing, ahistorical, apolitical,
kids-in-a-candy-store consumerist delirium, a gratuitous zombie
clipfest that confirms McLuhan's prescient "the medium is the
message." Of course, like net porn, it can only get worse ...

Hey, lets BAN pastiche and mashups! Can't have folks getting
creative now, can we? Get real. Oh, and let's banish porn, too.
Hahahahahahahahaha!
W : )-

Wendy: Jack!!! Your manuscript ... it's ... it's just ... it's all ...
the same!!
Jacksmith: Wendy, hun, light of my life, you wanna ban it or sumtin'?
It's called bein' creativ'! So why don't you get real and go wash some
dishes and leave me to my important artistic creativity, okay? I'm
creatin' a whole nu genre ... ASSTRACT NETSPRESSIONISM! Kids will love
it!

The very fact you can imagine my being married to
Wendy makes my heart sing!
W : )-

Wendy: Jack, there's something maybe very important I have to tell
you.
Jacksmith: And what maybe is so very important that you have to tell
me?
Wendy: I think  maybe it's about Danny and me.
Jacksmith: So you think maybe it's about Danny and you.
Wendy: Jack, Jack! Danny and I ain't real. We ... we're just
mannequins, puppets playing to the real Wendy and Danny's instruction.
Jacksmith: Are you out of your fucking mind?
Wendy: Well, strictly speaking, yes, I am. I'm not Wendy at all, only
her voice and appearance. Wendy and Danny left here weeks ago in
Halloran's snowcat. So you've been fucking a dummy these past few
weeks.
Jacksmith: Are you out of your fucking mind?
Wendy: Jack, I'm not me, I'm not Wendy. Danny and Wendy left here
weeks ago with Halloran just after we replaced ourselves with animated
mannequin dummies. You're here all on your own with the Overlook's
spectres and some dummies in Wendy and Danny's likeness. We dummies
too are spectres. If you'd like, and we know you'd like, you can even
bash our brains 'right the fuck in' as you always like to threaten,
but then we'll just be replaced by new replicant dummies. You can even
go on bashing our brains in forever and ever ... Jack, you've been
masturbating yourself all your unlife.-

Creative!

W : )

[ichorwhip]

On Oct 9, 2:15 pm, Wordsmith <***@rocketmail.com> wrote:
<snip>

Post by Wordsmith
Hey, lets BAN pastiche and mashups! Can't have folks getting
creative now, can we? Get real. Oh, and let's banish porn, too.
Hahahahahahahahaha!
W : )

You know you can watch whatever the fuck you want to Turdsmith, but
that doesn't mean I have to like it. I thought you were a person who
held Kubrick in some reverence, but now look at ya! And you have also
tipped the scales recently in favor of racist tendencies with a
reidiculous comparison of a fraternity of proud and ambitious young
black men with The Hitler Youth. WTF is wrong with you? Are you and
Shushwelps living in the same old folks home now? Quit skipping your
Geritol(TM) and get with the program!

"You gotta stay regular if you're gonna be happy!"
i
"piop"

[p***@yahoo.com]

Post by ichorwhip
<snip>

Post by Wordsmith
Hey, lets BAN pastiche and mashups! Can't have folks getting
creative now, can we? Get real. Oh, and let's banish porn, too.
Hahahahahahahahaha!
W : )

You know you can watch whatever the fuck you want to Turdsmith, but
that doesn't mean I have to like it.  I thought you were a person who
held Kubrick in some reverence, but now look at ya!  And you have also
tipped the scales recently in favor of racist tendencies with a
reidiculous comparison of a fraternity of proud and ambitious young
black men with The Hitler Youth.  WTF is wrong with you?  Are you and
Shushwelps living in the same old folks home now? Quit skipping your
Geritol(TM) and get with the program!
"You gotta stay regular if you're gonna be happy!"
i
"piop"

W :) is just a blinking idiot. Whoever gave him the notion that he is
witty and clever is also a twat.

G but not the other G

"To offend and judge are distinct offices,
And of opposed natures."

Portia

[kelpzoidzl]

On Strangelove:

Paul Krassner: "Nelson Algren says that The Magic Christian, Candy and
Dr. Strangelove are each aspects of the same novel. How would you say
they're related?

TS: "They might well be part of the same, but they are not all mine,
because the basic conception of treating the bomb as "absurd" was
Kubrick's. I think what you'll find they all have in common is that
they blast smugness--and where you find smugness, there is sure to be
something worth blasting. "Smugness" probably sounds like an
oversimplification of "Strangelove", but I think that's what it
finally comes down to...smugness over a foolproof system which may not
be."



dc

[Wordsmith]

Post by ichorwhip
<snip>

Post by Wordsmith
Hey, lets BAN pastiche and mashups! Can't have folks getting
creative now, can we? Get real. Oh, and let's banish porn, too.
Hahahahahahahahaha!
W : )

You know you can watch whatever the fuck you want to Turdsmith, but
that doesn't mean I have to like it.

Fair enough.

 I thought you were a person who

Post by ichorwhip
held Kubrick in some reverence, but now look at ya!

I do hold Kubrick in reverence.

 And you have also

Post by ichorwhip
tipped the scales recently in favor of racist tendencies with a
reidiculous comparison of a fraternity of proud and ambitious young
black men with The Hitler Youth.  WTF is wrong with you?

I'm not a racist. I've had non-white girl friends, btw.
The "comparison" was droll humor.



 Are you and

Post by ichorwhip
Shushwelps living in the same old folks home now? Quit skipping your
Geritol(TM) and get with the program!
"You gotta stay regular if you're gonna be happy!"
i
"piop"

I never need Geritol. Coffee does the trick nicely.

W : )

[ichorwhip]

Post by Wordsmith

Post by ichorwhip
<snip>

Post by Wordsmith
Hey, lets BAN pastiche and mashups! Can't have folks getting
creative now, can we? Get real. Oh, and let's banish porn, too.
Hahahahahahahahaha!
W : )

You know you can watch whatever the fuck you want to Turdsmith, but
that doesn't mean I have to like it.

Fair enough.
  I thought you were a person who

Post by ichorwhip
held Kubrick in some reverence, but now look at ya!

I do hold Kubrick in reverence.

Good, good!

Post by Wordsmith

Post by ichorwhip
And you have also
tipped the scales recently in favor of racist tendencies with a
reidiculous comparison of a fraternity of proud and ambitious young
black men with The Hitler Youth.  WTF is wrong with you?

I'm not a racist. I've had non-white girl friends, btw.

The fact that you have to point this out doesn't help your case.

Post by Wordsmith
The "comparison" was droll humor.

Fair enough, but your siding yourself with Genitalicesimo Krapzilla de
Trailmixe and his Selectric Lik-a-Maid Buddhist Acid Test makes me
ever dubious of your motivations. Was Kubrick a closet-Buddhist and
acid-dropper? Answer that to redeem yourself if you care. If you're
like most rational Kubrick lovers you've got to say that this
unrepentant retardildouche Kelpsydoodle is a major detriment to the
group and Kubrick's memory. Where then do you stand?

"Me, a social undesirable."
i
"piop"

[kelpzoidzl]

Post by ichorwhip

Post by Wordsmith

Post by ichorwhip
<snip>

Post by Wordsmith
Hey, lets BAN pastiche and mashups! Can't have folks getting
creative now, can we? Get real. Oh, and let's banish porn, too.
Hahahahahahahahaha!
W : )

You know you can watch whatever the fuck you want to Turdsmith, but
that doesn't mean I have to like it.

Fair enough.
  I thought you were a person who

Post by ichorwhip
held Kubrick in some reverence, but now look at ya!

I do hold Kubrick in reverence.

Good, good!

Post by Wordsmith

Post by ichorwhip
And you have also
tipped the scales recently in favor of racist tendencies with a
reidiculous comparison of a fraternity of proud and ambitious young
black men with The Hitler Youth.  WTF is wrong with you?

I'm not a racist. I've had non-white girl friends, btw.

The fact that you have to point this out doesn't help your case.

Post by Wordsmith
The "comparison" was droll humor.

Fair enough, but your siding yourself with Genitalicesimo Krapzilla de
Trailmixe and his Selectric Lik-a-Maid Buddhist Acid Test makes me
ever dubious of your motivations.  Was Kubrick a closet-Buddhist and
acid-dropper?  Answer that to redeem yourself if you care.  If you're
like most rational Kubrick lovers you've got to say that this
unrepentant retardildouche Kelpsydoodle is a major detriment to the
group and Kubrick's memory.  Where then do you stand?
"Me, a social undesirable."
i
"piop"- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

Ichor---you truly are retarded.


Did someone accidentally shrink you down into a syringe like that
movei "innerspace" and inject you into Sk's bloodstream so you could
witness his every moment first hand?

You really have this idiotic graps of reality and can;t fathom the
reality that people took LSD in the 60's and kept it quiet. And your
utterly foolish suspicion about my personal knowledge of SK's
connection to the Buddhist sects I have been a part of for 40+ years,
is just plain nutty and deranged.

As far as evidence for the buddist connection it has been right in
front of your face. We all know the original conception for the
object was trianular and then SK changed it to the Monolith. My
Buddhist sect has such a Monolith same size and shape and it ancient
text had as it's centerpiece what is called the "ceremony in the air"
when this "stupa" object is floating in space surrounded by all
beings. There is also the quote form Arthur Clarke, "we just
discovered there is a Buddhist Sect that......etc."

I really don't care if you ever want to accept this or not, but it is
just fact. Although I didn't get to see it happen because I arrived
late, I was told, "you just missed Stanley Kubrick receiving gokukai"
by the daughter of well known producer/director also there at the
time, who I will not name. I would think you would have more sense,
but then I am always in denial as to just how dumb and ignorant
people can be.



dc

[kelpzoidzl]

Post by kelpzoidzl

Post by ichorwhip

Post by Wordsmith

Post by ichorwhip
<snip>

Post by Wordsmith
Hey, lets BAN pastiche and mashups! Can't have folks getting
creative now, can we? Get real. Oh, and let's banish porn, too.
Hahahahahahahahaha!
W : )

You know you can watch whatever the fuck you want to Turdsmith, but
that doesn't mean I have to like it.

Fair enough.
  I thought you were a person who

Post by ichorwhip
held Kubrick in some reverence, but now look at ya!

I do hold Kubrick in reverence.

Good, good!

Post by Wordsmith

Post by ichorwhip
And you have also
tipped the scales recently in favor of racist tendencies with a
reidiculous comparison of a fraternity of proud and ambitious young
black men with The Hitler Youth.  WTF is wrong with you?

I'm not a racist. I've had non-white girl friends, btw.

The fact that you have to point this out doesn't help your case.

Post by Wordsmith
The "comparison" was droll humor.

Fair enough, but your siding yourself with Genitalicesimo Krapzilla de
Trailmixe and his Selectric Lik-a-Maid Buddhist Acid Test makes me
ever dubious of your motivations.  Was Kubrick a closet-Buddhist and
acid-dropper?  Answer that to redeem yourself if you care.  If you're
like most rational Kubrick lovers you've got to say that this
unrepentant retardildouche Kelpsydoodle is a major detriment to the
group and Kubrick's memory.  Where then do you stand?
"Me, a social undesirable."
i
"piop"- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

Ichor---you truly are retarded.
Did someone accidentally shrink you down into a syringe like that
movei "innerspace" and inject you into Sk's bloodstream so you could
witness his every moment first hand?
You really have this idiotic graps of reality and can;t fathom the
reality that people took LSD in the 60's and kept it quiet.  And your
utterly foolish suspicion about my personal knowledge of SK's
connection to the Buddhist sects I have been a part of for 40+ years,
is just plain nutty and deranged.
As far as evidence for the buddist connection it has been right in
front of your face.  We all know the original conception for the
object was trianular and then SK changed it to the Monolith.  My
Buddhist sect has such a Monolith same size and shape and it ancient
text had as it's centerpiece what is called the "ceremony in the air"
when this "stupa" object is floating in space surrounded by all
beings.  There is also the quote form Arthur Clarke, "we just
discovered there is a Buddhist Sect that......etc."
I really don't care if you ever want to accept this or not, but it  is
just fact.  Although I didn't get to see it happen because I  arrived
late, I was told, "you just missed Stanley Kubrick receiving gokukai"
by the daughter of well known producer/director also there at the
time, who I will not name.  I would think you would have more sense,
but then I am always in denial  as to just how dumb and ignorant
people can be.
dc- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

Correction spelling typo...it's gojukai not "gokukai"

dc

[ichorwhip]

Post by kelpzoidzl

Post by kelpzoidzl

Post by ichorwhip

Post by Wordsmith

Post by ichorwhip
<snip>

Post by Wordsmith
Hey, lets BAN pastiche and mashups! Can't have folks getting
creative now, can we? Get real. Oh, and let's banish porn, too.
Hahahahahahahahaha!
W : )

You know you can watch whatever the fuck you want to Turdsmith, but
that doesn't mean I have to like it.

Fair enough.
  I thought you were a person who

Post by ichorwhip
held Kubrick in some reverence, but now look at ya!

I do hold Kubrick in reverence.

Good, good!

Post by Wordsmith

Post by ichorwhip
And you have also
tipped the scales recently in favor of racist tendencies with a
reidiculous comparison of a fraternity of proud and ambitious young
black men with The Hitler Youth.  WTF is wrong with you?

I'm not a racist. I've had non-white girl friends, btw.

The fact that you have to point this out doesn't help your case.

Post by Wordsmith
The "comparison" was droll humor.

Fair enough, but your siding yourself with Genitalicesimo Krapzilla de
Trailmixe and his Selectric Lik-a-Maid Buddhist Acid Test makes me
ever dubious of your motivations.  Was Kubrick a closet-Buddhist and
acid-dropper?  Answer that to redeem yourself if you care.  If you're
like most rational Kubrick lovers you've got to say that this
unrepentant retardildouche Kelpsydoodle is a major detriment to the
group and Kubrick's memory.  Where then do you stand?
"Me, a social undesirable."
i
"piop"- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

Ichor---you truly are retarded.
Did someone accidentally shrink you down into a syringe like that
movei "innerspace" and inject you into Sk's bloodstream so you could
witness his every moment first hand?
You really have this idiotic graps of reality and can;t fathom the
reality that people took LSD in the 60's and kept it quiet.  And your
utterly foolish suspicion about my personal knowledge of SK's
connection to the Buddhist sects I have been a part of for 40+ years,
is just plain nutty and deranged.
As far as evidence for the buddist connection it has been right in
front of your face.  We all know the original conception for the
object was trianular and then SK changed it to the Monolith.  My
Buddhist sect has such a Monolith same size and shape and it ancient
text had as it's centerpiece what is called the "ceremony in the air"
when this "stupa" object is floating in space surrounded by all
beings.  There is also the quote form Arthur Clarke, "we just
discovered there is a Buddhist Sect that......etc."
I really don't care if you ever want to accept this or not, but it  is
just fact.  Although I didn't get to see it happen because I  arrived
late, I was told, "you just missed Stanley Kubrick receiving gokukai"
by the daughter of well known producer/director also there at the
time, who I will not name.  I would think you would have more sense,
but then I am always in denial  as to just how dumb and ignorant
people can be.
dc- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

Correction spelling typo...it's gojukai not "gokukai"
dc-

Since when do you give a shit about your multiple errors? Idiot

[kelpzoidzl]

Post by kelpzoidzl

Post by kelpzoidzl

Post by ichorwhip

Post by Wordsmith

Post by ichorwhip
<snip>

Post by Wordsmith
Hey, lets BAN pastiche and mashups! Can't have folks getting
creative now, can we? Get real. Oh, and let's banish porn, too.
Hahahahahahahahaha!
W : )

You know you can watch whatever the fuck you want to Turdsmith, but
that doesn't mean I have to like it.

Fair enough.
  I thought you were a person who

Post by ichorwhip
held Kubrick in some reverence, but now look at ya!

I do hold Kubrick in reverence.

Good, good!

Post by Wordsmith

Post by ichorwhip
And you have also
tipped the scales recently in favor of racist tendencies with a
reidiculous comparison of a fraternity of proud and ambitious young
black men with The Hitler Youth.  WTF is wrong with you?

I'm not a racist. I've had non-white girl friends, btw.

The fact that you have to point this out doesn't help your case.

Post by Wordsmith
The "comparison" was droll humor.

Fair enough, but your siding yourself with Genitalicesimo Krapzilla de
Trailmixe and his Selectric Lik-a-Maid Buddhist Acid Test makes me
ever dubious of your motivations.  Was Kubrick a closet-Buddhist and
acid-dropper?  Answer that to redeem yourself if you care.  If you're
like most rational Kubrick lovers you've got to say that this
unrepentant retardildouche Kelpsydoodle is a major detriment to the
group and Kubrick's memory.  Where then do you stand?
"Me, a social undesirable."
i
"piop"- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

Ichor---you truly are retarded.
Did someone accidentally shrink you down into a syringe like that
movei "innerspace" and inject you into Sk's bloodstream so you could
witness his every moment first hand?
You really have this idiotic graps of reality and can;t fathom the
reality that people took LSD in the 60's and kept it quiet.  And your
utterly foolish suspicion about my personal knowledge of SK's
connection to the Buddhist sects I have been a part of for 40+ years,
is just plain nutty and deranged.
As far as evidence for the buddist connection it has been right in
front of your face.  We all know the original conception for the
object was trianular and then SK changed it to the Monolith.  My
Buddhist sect has such a Monolith same size and shape and it ancient
text had as it's centerpiece what is called the "ceremony in the air"
when this "stupa" object is floating in space surrounded by all
beings.  There is also the quote form Arthur Clarke, "we just
discovered there is a Buddhist Sect that......etc."
I really don't care if you ever want to accept this or not, but it  is
just fact.  Although I didn't get to see it happen because I  arrived
late, I was told, "you just missed Stanley Kubrick receiving gokukai"
by the daughter of well known producer/director also there at the
time, who I will not name.  I would think you would have more sense,
but then I am always in denial  as to just how dumb and ignorant
people can be.
dc- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

Correction spelling typo...it's gojukai not "gokukai"
dc-

Since when do you give a shit about your multiple errors?  Idiot- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

I care about important spelling errors.

You really are delusion. Whatever your conception is about reality
was, it has been lost and you should find it.

You just like to argue thats your life blood. Just another version of
Bill Reid.



dc

[ichorwhip]

On Oct 10, 11:41 pm, kelpzoidzl <***@gmail.com> wrote:

<unsolicited garbage elided>

[Wordsmith]

Post by ichorwhip

Post by Wordsmith

Post by ichorwhip
<snip>

Post by Wordsmith
Hey, lets BAN pastiche and mashups! Can't have folks getting
creative now, can we? Get real. Oh, and let's banish porn, too.
Hahahahahahahahaha!
W : )

You know you can watch whatever the fuck you want to Turdsmith, but
that doesn't mean I have to like it.

Fair enough.
  I thought you were a person who

Post by ichorwhip
held Kubrick in some reverence, but now look at ya!

I do hold Kubrick in reverence.

Good, good!

Although I myself would never do a video mashup of
SK's work with the intent to mock, others do. Let them.
I'm not watching them.

Post by ichorwhip

Post by Wordsmith

Post by ichorwhip
And you have also
tipped the scales recently in favor of racist tendencies with a
reidiculous comparison of a fraternity of proud and ambitious young
black men with The Hitler Youth.  WTF is wrong with you?

I'm not a racist. I've had non-white girl friends, btw.

The fact that you have to point this out doesn't help your case.

I don't *have* to point it out. I *chose* to do so. Yep, there's a
difference.

Post by ichorwhip

Post by Wordsmith
The "comparison" was droll humor.

Fair enough, but your siding yourself with Genitalicesimo Krapzilla de
Trailmixe and his Selectric Lik-a-Maid Buddhist Acid Test makes me
ever dubious of your motivations.  Was Kubrick a closet-Buddhist and
acid-dropper?  Answer that to redeem yourself if you care.  If you're
like most rational Kubrick lovers you've got to say that this
unrepentant retardildouche Kelpsydoodle is a major detriment to the
group and Kubrick's memory.  Where then do you stand?

I don't agree with everything he says, but he's never been anything
but kind to me, so I in turn reciprocate.

W : )

Post by ichorwhip
"Me, a social undesirable."
i
"piop"- Hide quoted text -
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[kelpzoidzl]

Ichor---Reminder of this article in the 1968 LA TIMES Even this
guys mentions the "Buddhist Sect"

http://hollywoodlostandfound.net/features/2001/

" Hollywood Lost and Found "

"A Scientist's Evaluation of 2001," page 4


Under the control of the extraterrestrials, Dullea is swept out of the
universe as we know it. (He does not, as many have supposed, land on
Jupiter.) After a pan away from Jupiter, the "trip" begins with a
series of weird images that, in 70-mm. widescreen presentation, are
very impressive.

Although Kubrick's abstractions are quite striking, the effects are
actually somewhat repetitive and lack the brilliant creativeness of
such abstract film artists as Jordan Belson. Much of the abstractions'
power results from the medium itself; the 70mm film, the huge screen
and the high-fidelity sounds.




Kubrick uses some aerial cinematography with what seems to be intense
negative color. The red sandstone of Monument Valley becomes green and
the eroded pinnacles of Bryce Canyon become even more fantastic than
they naturally are.

Dullea eventually finds himself and the space pod in what can only be
described as a futuristic Louis XVI apartment with a glowing
translucent floor. In this apartment, he sees himself age and die in a
matter of moments. This sequence has the weird feeling common to
experimental films of the 1930s and 40s. As Dullea lies dying, there
is a slab at the foot of the bed. The astronaut dies and is reborn as
a new transcendental being; his embryo is shown returning to earth.

The implication seems to be that the first slab gave man the spark
that turned him into a tool-using animal; now man has been elevated
beyond tools. Another major step in man's development has occurred.

The basic theme of "2001" is the interaction of extraterrestrial
entities with man. There is a Nichiren sect of Buddhism (Shoshu
Sokagakkai) that venerates a 12-foot, black cedar tablet (Dai-
gohonzon) that bears a striking resemblance to the extraterrestrial
slab in "2001." Whether or not the resemblance is a coincidence, I
don't know. (Arthur C. Clarke says he has no religion but is
sympathetic to Buddhism.)

The basic objection here is the overwhelming evidence that evolution
is a natural process. There is no known objective reason to postulate
extraterrestrial influence in human evolution.

The success of "2001" will doubtlessly inspire many would-be
imitators. Most will probably miss the key ingredient of Kubrick's
success.

The real lesson of "2001" is that there now exists a large, visually
oriented audience, predominately young, that is ready and willing to
pay for mind-stretching films. To tap this market, filmmakers will
need something many of them, especially those in the science-fiction
field, have seldom evidenced: high-level, intelligent creativity.


(Originally published in the Los Angeles Times Calendar, June 2,
1968.
Used with permission of the author.)


dc

[kelpzoidzl]

Post by Wordsmith

Post by ichorwhip

Post by Wordsmith
The "comparison" was droll humor.

Fair enough, but your siding yourself with Genitalicesimo Krapzilla de
Trailmixe and his Selectric Lik-a-Maid Buddhist Acid Test makes me
ever dubious of your motivations.  Was Kubrick a closet-Buddhist and
acid-dropper?  Answer that to redeem yourself if you care.  If you're
like most rational Kubrick lovers you've got to say that this
unrepentant retardildouche Kelpsydoodle is a major detriment to the
group and Kubrick's memory.  Where then do you stand?

I don't agree with everything he says, but he's never been anything
but kind to me, so I in turn reciprocate.
W : )

Ichor doesn't get it that people could, just discuss things without
bitter recriminations. He also doesn't get it that when he throws
stones, eventually he is going to get them hurled back. Anything that
is outside his knowledge or experience is automatically wrong in his
mind. I am not the least bit afraid of getting gnaged up on by
Ichor, Boaz, Padraig or Portia. They are just lame in behavior and
poor representatives of Stanley Kubrick in a NG, regardless of the
occasional good information they may find opr discuss.


Ichor, imagines that AMK is a blog owned by him and Boaz and anyone
he allows into his gang--as long as they take thjeir narrow side. Its
a delusion that he even defends Padraig when he is in his flame out
mode.

Beyond all that which is just commonsense, ichor and Boaz have a
nasty, devisive, gang mentality, which in my view is antithetical to
everything Kubrick stood for. There are many millions of Kubrick fans
who are devoted to Kubrick that shouldn;t be looked down on. Only a
handful of people read or post to AMK. There a a dozen excellent blog
companies where people can write blogs for free and have total
control over the content. I suggest him and boaz go to one and stop
bothering with with they wish to think are beneath them.

i've put up with this nonsense ever since i had the audacity to tell a
personal experience related to Kubrick regarding buddhism, or tell of
what I had heard in the 60's regarding LSD and Kubrick from a very
reliable source---a medical professional whom I wont name due to
privacy issues. It was common knowledge within a particular group of
people at the time, when LSD was a legal thing. I am not sure which
one of three or four people actually gave it to him and have no idea
how many time he experimented--maybe only once. I do not know and
have always made that clear. Likewise I have also always said that I
do not know anything about Kubrick's later degree of Buddhist
conviction beyond his intial buddhist initiation. Many people would
attend the buddhist initiation, receive a paper scroll version of the
mandala and go about thier lives. I do know that in order to receive
that initiation a person did have to be practising and did have to
know the basics and I also know as we all do that Kubrick would delve
into the study of things deeply and how private a person he was.
similarly when ACC says "I am a crypto buddhist" I know exactly what
he means.

For me I would always be interested in knowing anything people on AMK
had experienced or had personal knowledge of, that shed light on
Kubrick or his films and I would always, take what was said, in good
faith.

Being nasty is just nasty and if I have to defend myself from nasty
people I will, although lowering myself down to that level sucks.

I would suggest Wordpress, Technorati or Blogger as a good place for
Boaz, Ichor to take their "serious" Kubrick discussion to, so they
don't have to listen to anyone else or allow anyone that may have
something to say that isn't within the bounds of their ability ot
comprehend. Padraig too Might consider using one of those blogs for
his commie stuff.


Our they just learn to be civil.---HA HA.--that'll be the day.



dc

[Wordsmith]

Post by kelpzoidzl

Post by Wordsmith

Post by ichorwhip

Post by Wordsmith
The "comparison" was droll humor.

Fair enough, but your siding yourself with Genitalicesimo Krapzilla de
Trailmixe and his Selectric Lik-a-Maid Buddhist Acid Test makes me
ever dubious of your motivations.  Was Kubrick a closet-Buddhist and
acid-dropper?  Answer that to redeem yourself if you care.  If you're
like most rational Kubrick lovers you've got to say that this
unrepentant retardildouche Kelpsydoodle is a major detriment to the
group and Kubrick's memory.  Where then do you stand?

I don't agree with everything he says, but he's never been anything
but kind to me, so I in turn reciprocate.
W : )

Ichor doesn't get it that people could, just discuss things without
bitter recriminations.  He also doesn't get it  that  when he throws
stones, eventually he is going to get them hurled back.  Anything that
is outside his knowledge or experience is automatically  wrong in his
mind.   I am not the least bit afraid of getting gnaged up on by
Ichor, Boaz, Padraig or Portia.  They are just lame in behavior and
poor representatives of Stanley Kubrick in a NG, regardless of the
occasional good information they may find opr discuss.

The 'Net is in its infancy. We jump into it feet first all agog at
the new way to communicate. We misunderstand. We step on
each other. Things are decontextualized and recontextualized in
our heads, layers and layers of it, and we confuse ourselves
thinking what we've reassembled in our minds is on the screen.

Post by kelpzoidzl
Ichor,  imagines that AMK is a blog owned by him and Boaz and anyone
he allows into his gang--as long as they take thjeir narrow side.  Its
a delusion that he even defends Padraig when he is in his flame out
mode.

Some are terrified of Padraig and walk on eggshells when they
communicate with him, chosing their words very carefully, because
they don't want to be dubbed a capitalist or a racist or (gasp!)
both.

Post by kelpzoidzl
Beyond all that which is just commonsense, ichor and Boaz have  a
nasty, devisive,  gang mentality, which in my view is antithetical to
everything Kubrick stood for.  There are many millions of Kubrick fans
who are devoted to Kubrick that shouldn;t be looked down on.  Only a
handful of people read or post to AMK.  There a a dozen excellent blog
companies where people can write  blogs for free and have total
control over the content.  I suggest him and boaz go to one and stop
bothering with with they wish to think are beneath them.

Well, I'm not quite at the "banish them to the nether regions" stage,
but
I do feel the nastiness is destructive.

Post by kelpzoidzl
i've put up with this nonsense ever since i had the audacity to tell a
personal experience related to Kubrick regarding buddhism, or tell of
what I had heard in the 60's regarding LSD and Kubrick from a very
reliable source---a medical professional whom I wont name due to
privacy issues.  It was common knowledge within a particular group of
people at the time, when LSD was a legal thing.  I am not sure which
one of three or four people actually gave it to him and have no idea
how many time he experimented--maybe only once.  I do not know and
have always made that clear.  Likewise I have also always said that I
do not know anything about Kubrick's later degree of Buddhist
conviction beyond his intial buddhist initiation.  Many people would
attend the buddhist initiation, receive a paper scroll version of the
mandala and go about thier lives.  I do know that in order to receive
that initiation a person did have to be practising and did have to
know the basics and I also know as we all do that Kubrick would delve
into the study of things deeply and how private a person he was.
similarly when ACC says "I am a crypto buddhist" I know exactly what
he means.

You could be right. Maybe SK did trip out. But maybe he didn't.
Whether
he did or didn't doesn't seem to have affected the quality of his
work, which
is exemplary. Of course, an argument could be made that, if he was a
doper,
his films would have been better had he not been. It's all
speculation.

Post by kelpzoidzl
For me I would always be interested in knowing anything people on AMK
had experienced or had personal knowledge of, that shed light on
Kubrick or his films and I would always, take what was said, in good
faith.

Yes.

Post by kelpzoidzl
Being nasty is just nasty and if I have to defend myself from nasty
people I will, although lowering myself down to that level sucks.

I do it myself, but when I do, I try like crazy to make even my
mockery "nice," you know, put a winky-wink subtext in it that
says to the recipient and all reading that I'm not taking it TOO
seriously. My revelatory post about my experiences with
blacks, however, was totally shorn of niceness. I went back
and read it later and said: "Wow, did I write THAT?" I became
Padraig for a few paragraphs!

Post by kelpzoidzl
I would suggest Wordpress, Technorati or Blogger as a good place for
Boaz, Ichor to take their "serious" Kubrick discussion to, so they
don't have to listen to anyone else or allow anyone  that may have
something to say that isn't within the bounds of their ability ot
comprehend.  Padraig too Might consider using one of those blogs for
his commie stuff.

If they want to, they can, but I'm not gonna demand it.

Post by kelpzoidzl
Our they just learn to be civil.---HA HA.--that'll be the day.

Thanks.

W : )

[ichorwhip]

On Oct 11, 3:10 pm, Wordsmith <***@rocketmail.com> wrote:

<duel reply>

Post by Wordsmith

Post by kelpzoidzl

Post by Wordsmith

If you're like most rational Kubrick lovers you've got to say that this
unrepentant retardildouche Kelpsydoodle is a major detriment to the
group and Kubrick's memory. Where then do you stand?

I don't agree with everything he says, but he's never been anything
but kind to me, so I in turn reciprocate.

Oh since he pets you and gives you cookies, you'll quietly go along
with anything he says, great....

Post by Wordsmith

Post by kelpzoidzl
Ichor doesn't get it that people could, just discuss things without
bitter recriminations.

Wrong as always it seems, what I think is that people ought to be held
responsible for what they say. As for AMK, you've had specious and
highly dubious (to say the least) claims to make about Kubrick that
are unverified, uncorroborated and only vacuously documented as if
proving your claims is some kind of demented shell game for the fully
retarded to fall for. Add to this your own utter vacuousness,
disingenuous, pure ignorance and nasty (for a Buddhist) disposition,
which is completely unrepentant and shameless in the face of anything
resembling reality.
In other words, you suck!

Post by Wordsmith

Post by kelpzoidzl
He also doesn't get it that when he throws
stones, eventually he is going to get them hurled back.

Oh I count on this! That's why I keep myself safe in a fortress of
the truth. And when I'm wrong I admit it, something you never do.

Post by Wordsmith

Post by kelpzoidzl
Anything that
is outside his knowledge or experience is automatically wrong in his
mind.

A complete falsehood no doubt designed to get my goat or prove how
disingenuous you are which?

Post by Wordsmith

Post by kelpzoidzl
I am not the least bit afraid of getting gnaged up on by
Ichor, Boaz, Padraig or Portia. They are just lame in behavior and
poor representatives of Stanley Kubrick in a NG, regardless of the
occasional good information they may find opr discuss.

Don't you give the "poor representatives" any passing credit you
flimsy piece of used toilet paper! You are the bane of AMK, and if
you have any friends surely they're passive aggressive sissies with no
guts to stand up to your mentally decrepit asshole brain.

Post by Wordsmith
The 'Net is in its infancy. We jump into it feet first all agog at
the new way to communicate. We misunderstand. We step on
each other. Things are decontextualized and recontextualized in
our heads, layers and layers of it, and we confuse ourselves
thinking what we've reassembled in our minds is on the screen.

Well this implies some rationality and a willingness to back off and
admit it when you've misunderstood something or made up bullshit.
Your buddy sucks at that.

Post by Wordsmith

Post by kelpzoidzl
Ichor, imagines that AMK is a blog owned by him and Boaz and anyone
he allows into his gang--

How many times do I have to say it? If I own the sucker, where's the
deed?

Post by Wordsmith

Post by kelpzoidzl
as long as they take thjeir narrow side. Its
a delusion that he even defends Padraig when he is in his flame out
mode.

If you had a good brain you'd know that this wan't the case at all.
But you're a self-aggrandizing, drug-addled, amateur guru with poor
comprehension, so what the hay?

"Abby someone..."

Post by Wordsmith
Some are terrified of Padraig and walk on eggshells when they
communicate with him, chosing their words very carefully, because
they don't want to be dubbed a capitalist or a racist or (gasp!)
both.

You forgot Nazi. Anyways, he is the way he is and I make no excuses
for him other than he usually argues on the correct and factual side
of things. I find this appealing, and it helps me see clear of his
crass nature. I'm crass too for what it matters, but you get this way
pretty quickly when you're constantly trying to keep down idiots like
Grandpoop Kelps. There's also a lot of humor, did I mention that
before?

Post by Wordsmith

Post by kelpzoidzl
Beyond all that which is just commonsense, ichor and Boaz have a
nasty, devisive, gang mentality, which in my view is antithetical to
everything Kubrick stood for.

That's not it at all. So fucking vacuous you are, you should work for
Eureka. What it is, is people who know better putting down an idiot
who won't shut up for his own good. There is no gang, just a
consensus that you are a vacuous idiot. Think you can maybe "get
that" some time?

Post by Wordsmith

Post by kelpzoidzl
There are many millions of Kubrick fans
who are devoted to Kubrick that shouldn;t be looked down on.

Too bad you ain't one of them, eh?

Post by Wordsmith

Post by kelpzoidzl
Only a
handful of people read or post to AMK. There a a dozen excellent blog
companies where people can write blogs for free and have total
control over the content. I suggest him and boaz go to one and stop
bothering with with they wish to think are beneath them.

It's only you at the moment you total douchebag! Bog almighty damn,
is this preachy-creechy screeching of yours every annoying.

Post by Wordsmith
Well, I'm not quite at the "banish them to the nether regions" stage,
but I do feel the nastiness is destructive.

You are right to a certain extent, but how can I be otherwise when
idiots refuse to shut their traps about their Kubrick fantasies and
imaginary friends? How can I ignore a fool who reigns over this group
with hundreds of posts of questionable authority and value? The fight
is ready made. Surely you can see that.

Post by Wordsmith

Post by kelpzoidzl
i've put up with this nonsense ever since i had the audacity to tell a
personal experience related to Kubrick regarding buddhism, or tell of
what I had heard in the 60's regarding LSD and Kubrick from a very
reliable source---a medical professional whom I wont name due to
privacy issues.

This is a change of tune from any other time I've bothered to read
your further drivel on this.

Post by Wordsmith

Post by kelpzoidzl
It was common knowledge within a particular group of
people at the time, when LSD was a legal thing. I am not sure which
one of three or four people actually gave it to him and have no idea
how many time he experimented--maybe only once. I do not know and
have always made that clear.

I'll say, and yet you still carry on....

Post by Wordsmith

Post by kelpzoidzl
Likewise I have also always said that I
do not know anything about Kubrick's later degree of Buddhist
conviction beyond his intial buddhist initiation. Many people would
attend the buddhist initiation, receive a paper scroll version of the
mandala and go about thier lives. I do know that in order to receive
that initiation a person did have to be practising and did have to
know the basics and I also know as we all do that Kubrick would delve
into the study of things deeply and how private a person he was.
similarly when ACC says "I am a crypto buddhist" I know exactly what
he means.

You could be right. Maybe SK did trip out. But maybe he didn't.

It's perfectly okay to say that he didn't.

Post by Wordsmith
Whether
he did or didn't doesn't seem to have affected the quality of his
work, which
is exemplary. Of course, an argument could be made that, if he was a
doper,
his films would have been better had he not been. It's all
speculation.

You hit on the very thing that's most fucked about Kelpers claims.
It's insidious to think that Kubrick was as great as he was because of
chemical intervention. It's the great personal rationalizer for the
old man I think as he continues to abuse drugs as long as his body can
take it. To me it's like saying that David Lean was on peyote, and
that's what made LoA great. Do you see what I'm saying?

Post by Wordsmith

Post by kelpzoidzl
For me I would always be interested in knowing anything people on AMK
had experienced or had personal knowledge of, that shed light on
Kubrick or his films and I would always, take what was said, in good
faith.

Yes.

No. This way lies folly. Good faith is always abused in my
experience. This is not the world that Jesus wanted is all I can tell
you. Nice try, but I like extraordinary proof for extraordinary
claims.

Post by Wordsmith

Post by kelpzoidzl
Being nasty is just nasty and if I have to defend myself from nasty
people I will, although lowering myself down to that level sucks.

It's right for you since you already suck, and the nastiness continues
as long as you stick to your retarded guns and half-baked acid pies...

Post by Wordsmith
I do it myself, but when I do, I try like crazy to make even my
mockery "nice," you know, put a winky-wink subtext in it that
says to the recipient and all reading that I'm not taking it TOO
seriously.

It's usually apparent.

Post by Wordsmith
My revelatory post about my experiences with
blacks, however, was totally shorn of niceness. I went back
and read it later and said: "Wow, did I write THAT?" I became
Padraig for a few paragraphs!

Even you admit you've deviated from your "normal" style. Honestly
that threw me too. I have never had a major problem with you anyway.
I just hate to see you feeding Dizzy's delusions and constant
missteps. I thought you were better than that.

Post by Wordsmith

Post by kelpzoidzl
I would suggest Wordpress, Technorati or Blogger as a good place for
Boaz, Ichor to take their "serious" Kubrick discussion to, so they
don't have to listen to anyone else or allow anyone that may have
something to say that isn't within the bounds of their ability ot
comprehend. Padraig too Might consider using one of those blogs for
his commie stuff.

I'm not going anywhere and hate most blog formats fwiw. Why don't you
take your own advice and start your own so I can not read it?

Post by Wordsmith
If they want to, they can, but I'm not gonna demand it.

Nice, you really are a nice guy. Sorry if I ruffled you too much.

Post by Wordsmith

Post by kelpzoidzl
Our they just learn to be civil.---HA HA.--that'll be the day.

Thanks.

Being civil is a mutual responsibility and you are not excused.

"Well, at least he could have passed it around, the pig."
i
"piop"

[Boaz]

Post by kelpzoidzl
Ichor doesn't get it that people could, just discuss things without
bitter recriminations.  He also doesn't get it  that  when he throws
stones, eventually he is going to get them hurled back.  Anything that
is outside his knowledge or experience is automatically  wrong in his
mind.   I am not the least bit afraid of getting gnaged up on by
Ichor, Boaz, Padraig or Portia.  They are just lame in behavior and
poor representatives of Stanley Kubrick in a NG, regardless of the
occasional good information they may find opr discuss.
Ichor,  imagines that AMK is a blog owned by him and Boaz and anyone
he allows into his gang--as long as they take thjeir narrow side.  Its
a delusion that he even defends Padraig when he is in his flame out
mode.
Beyond all that which is just commonsense, ichor and Boaz have  a
nasty, devisive,  gang mentality, which in my view is antithetical to
everything Kubrick stood for.  

You want nasty? You haven't seen how nasty I can get, you worthless,
pothead, acid dropping asshole! Who the fuck are you to pass judgment
on me, Ichorwhip and Genevieve? You are the one who has come into the
discussion and piss all over everything. I post reviews and essays on
books about Kubrick, and then you dismiss them as "book reports" from
your ivory tower and proceed to make asinine comments on Kubrick being
some acid dropping Buddhist who belonged to some secret society, which
you also were conveniently a member of at the same time. How about
taking off that tin-foil hat while you pull your head out of your ass,
you hypocrite?

Post by kelpzoidzl
There are many millions of Kubrick fans
who are devoted to Kubrick that shouldn;t be looked down on.  

And I'm one of them! And so is Ichorwhip and Genevieve. And we do not
have to justify our admiration of Kubrick to you. We have had plenty
of years of posting to show how we feel about his films, and most of
the posts are intelligent and thought out, not like your knee-jerk
responses, usually peppered with references to LSD, or reminicenses of
your "hippie days." Yeah, right. You are a phony from the get-go,
Kelpsy. You have all the charm of Michael Savage and David Horowitz
(and I don't mean the consumer advocate either).

Post by kelpzoidzl
Only a
handful of people read or post to AMK.  There a a dozen excellent blog
companies where people can write  blogs for free and have total
control over the content.  I suggest him and boaz go to one and stop
bothering with with they wish to think are beneath them.

Are you telling us to get off of the Kubrick newsgroup and write about
Kubrick elsewhere instead of here? You are truly demented. Been
sprinkling a little LSD into your bong water there again? Where will
our "departure" leave the newsgroup? For you to post your Buffy shit
and more of your bullshit about Kubrick being a member of some acid-
dropping secret Buddhist sect? Who the fuck are you to tell us to
leave and blog elsewhere? You take arrogance to another level.

Yes, I am furious. I despise people like you, Kelpsy. You bring out
the worst in people, and you've brought out the worst in me. You have
no positive traits whatsovever, and you see to it that no one else
here can bring out theirs. You make them defensive from the get-go.
You enjoy pushing people's buttons, don't you? You do it a lot here.
Many intelligent posters would love to have your head on a pike.

Post by kelpzoidzl
i've put up with this nonsense ever since i had the audacity to tell a
personal experience related to Kubrick regarding buddhism,

You created this nonsense, and it was audacious for you to tell such
lies. Prove it then. Prove it. Give us some clear, concise evidence.

Post by kelpzoidzl
or tell of
what I had heard in the 60's regarding LSD and Kubrick from a very
reliable source---a medical professional whom I wont name due to
privacy issues.  

Yeah, you don't want such records to go public, right? It might damage
you professionally if people found out you were instituionalized and
had to undergo electroshock therapy. You don't want to find yourself
schlepping bedpans back and forth again, right?

Post by kelpzoidzl
It was common knowledge within a particular group of
people at the time, when LSD was a legal thing.  

When was LSD ever legal in this country, Dr. Leary? It was *always*
illegal. Now, it was *fashionable* to drop acid back in the '60s, but
legal? No way. What alternate universe did you drop out of? Or was it
a tree?

Post by kelpzoidzl
I am not sure which
one of three or four people actually gave it to him and have no idea
how many time he experimented--maybe only once.  

You don't know because it never happened, dickhead.

Post by kelpzoidzl
I do not know and
have always made that clear.  

Because you made it all up. Because you are mentally ill yourself, is
that it?

Post by kelpzoidzl
Likewise I have also always said that I
do not know anything about Kubrick's later degree of Buddhist
conviction beyond his intial buddhist initiation.  

Because he never had any initiation. When did he find the time to do
that? Are you suggesting Kubrick was like Vonnegut's Billy Pilgrim,
able to live on Tralfamadore yet continue to live a normal life on
earth, despite being thrown back and forth in time? Is your acid
flashback permanent? Are too many of your brain cells now nothing more
than prune-whipped yogurt?

Post by kelpzoidzl
Many people would
attend the buddhist initiation, receive a paper scroll version of the
mandala and go about thier lives.  

A scroll, or a roll of toilet paper?

Post by kelpzoidzl
I do know that in order to receive
that initiation a person did have to be practising and did have to
know the basics and I also know as we all do that Kubrick would delve
into the study of things deeply and how private a person he was.

So, if Kubrick was so private, how is it that you happened to have all
of this intimate knowledge of his life? How is it that you know more
than his family? Are you saying you know more than Katharina, who used
to post here frequently? Or is she fed up with an asshole like you?

Post by kelpzoidzl
similarly when ACC says "I am a crypto buddhist" I know exactly what
he means.

OMG! You were now tight buds with Clarke? Were you his butt-buddy too?

Post by kelpzoidzl
For me I would always be interested in knowing anything people on AMK
had experienced or had personal knowledge of, that shed light on
Kubrick or his films and I would always, take what was said, in good
faith.

Why? You would only refute what was being written, contradict the
people who posted it and then go on your Buffy rants, your Buddhist
rants and personal recollections that have nothing to do with anything
Kubrick. By the time the thread ran itself out the subject would have
changed at least half a dozen times. That's your MO, Kelpzilla. You
derail the discussion so that anyone coming in will not see the
original post, only your "Oh woe is me! I'm being picked on by Ichor,
Padraig and Boaz again! Lordy, lordy, what can an aging pothead do?"

Post by kelpzoidzl
Being nasty is just nasty and if I have to defend myself from nasty
people I will, although lowering myself down to that level sucks.

You have attacked me repeatedly, you shit! You drew first blood.
Everytime I posted my comments on a book about Kubrick or Kubrick's
films you'd jump all over me and contradict what I'd written, saying
it wasn't that important. You are a bully, Kelps. You cannot do this
in the real world, so you come here to this newsgroup and take out
your childhood hangups on us. You prolly can't have anyone be in the
same room with you for five minutes without them wanting to rip your
throat out. You'd try Ghandi's patience.

You are intimidated by the things Genevieve, Ichorwhip, Padraig and I
write. You prolly breezed through school, and that eventually caught
up with you when it came time to engage in any intelligent discussion.
I've met people like you in person, and they use the same tactics to
derail a discussion. You can't do it, so you try to make sure no one
else can do it.

Post by kelpzoidzl
I would suggest Wordpress, Technorati or Blogger as a good place for
Boaz, Ichor to take their "serious" Kubrick discussion to, so they
don't have to listen to anyone else or allow anyone  that may have
something to say that isn't within the bounds of their ability ot
comprehend.  Padraig too Might consider using one of those blogs for
his commie stuff.

And I suggest you take a flying fuck. What is this, King of AMK? You
worthless piece of shit. Are you telling us to go play elsewhere? Take
our discussions of Kubrick AWAY from the Kubrick newsgroup? So you can
go on about your silly, meaningless bullshit about Kubrick being some
member of an acid-dropping Buddhist sect? You are warped, Kelpsy. You
are like a lot of people I've met who have hit 60 or older now. They
end up bitter over what they did in their youth, and now they've
become "born-again conservatives." You have shown what a racist scum
you are, with the way you've gone on about Obama. What do these videos
have to do with Kubrick? Huh? Answer me that, Kelpsy. This is the
Kubrick newsgroup, not the "I Hate Obama Because I am a Disgusting
Acid-Dropping Asshole Newsgroup."

Post by kelpzoidzl
Our they just learn to be civil.---HA HA.--that'll be the day.

Not while you're around. You threw the gauntlet down long ago,
pothead. We had a pretty fair and interesting newsgroup until you
decided to piss all over everything, like some wolf out for prey.

By the way, I'm still sure it was you in those tighty-tight black gym
shorts that revealed some "male cellulite" at that time at the Borders
in West Hollywood a couple of years ago. I saw some white-haired sixty-
something talking to a clerk about the newest Buffy boxed set. And he
seemed pretty "enthusiastic" about it, to put it mildly. I've never
seen him back there. Did I "out" you then? If so, I'm doing it again.

I'm still here, and I'm not going anywhere.

Boaz
("You didn't scare me! Work on it!")

[Bill Reid]

Post by Boaz
When was LSD ever legal in this country, Dr. Leary? It was *always*
illegal. Now, it was *fashionable* to drop acid back in the '60s, but
legal? No way.

It was totally legal in all 50 states until October 6, 1966 in California.
A federal law made it illegal in 1967 nation-wide, and it was classified
as a "Schedule 1" narcotic in the Nixon administration's consolidation
of all the federal drug laws in 1970.

Here is one of dozens of links that would pop up if you just typed
"LSD made illegal" in a Google(TM) search:

"The drug is believed to have first appeared on the street in the U.S.
in 1963 and by 1966 the mainstream media began recognizing the
widespread use of the LSD. It was also in 1966 that LSD was made
illegal in California, in 1967 the Federal government banned the
substance." - http://www.drugabusehelp.com/drugs/lsd/

Speaking of the "mainstream media", one of my all-time favorite
episodes of the old "Dragnet" show was one that covered this exact
topic. It opened with some beat cops arresting an LSD-crazed
hippie in a children's playground who had buried his head in the
tan-bark of the swing sets. They take him downtown, but Friday
tells them they can't charge him with anything, because there's
no law on the books about LSD.

The rest of the episode was then just a long-winded lobbying
exercise for tougher drug laws. They talked about how the California
legislature was taking its sweet time passing a law against LSD,
but they needed the law NOW, presumably to prevent the monstrous
crime of hippies burying their heads in swing-set tan-bark, plus
they needed tougher enforcement of the marijuana laws.

But the pay-off came at the end of the show. They had tried
several times to arrest a young married couple with a baby who
smoked pot, but the evidence always got flushed before they
could make the bust. With nothing better to do for the rest of
the day after that, Friday and Gannon engaged in a long pointless
debate with the couple about whether or not drugs are a "victimless"
crime.

Suddenly, the woman realizes something, runs into the bathroom,
and screams. Friday and Gannon run into the bathroom, where
they see her baby, floating drowned in the bathtub where Mommy
Pothead forgot her. So Friday, like the callous psychopath he was,
just can't resist getting his last word in: "You think drugs are a
victimless crime. THERE'S your victim."

But even better:

Gannon: I'd like to request that I be allowed to leave the scene.
Friday: Why?
Gannon: Because for the first time in 25 years on the job, I think
I'm going to be sick.
Friday: Permission granted.
[GANNON RUNS OUT WITH CHEEKS INFLATED WITH MOUTH VOMIT,
ZOOM IN ON FRIDAY'S DISGUSTED FACE]
[FADE TO PERP SENTENCING OUTRO]

Perhaps even funnier than the end of "Dr. Zhivago" if that's possible...

Anyway, "Bore-Ass", since you were factually incorrect on the
topic of LSD legality prior to the late sixties, I will now wait patiently
for you to admit that you were wrong, since I know you are cut
from the same moral cloth as "Icky-Whipped", who hilariously
averred in this very thread that:

"That's why I keep myself safe in a fortress of
the truth. And when I'm wrong I admit it, something you never do."

BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

Man, I swear I can't remember him EVER admitting he was factually
wrong about the many things I "corrected" him on, but who knows, he
might have done it ONCE or twice...mostly, he just resorts to slinging
the "n-word" around and actionable libel when cornered by the pesky
truth...

---
William Ernest "'Icky' Smashed Diogenes' Lamp, Yarblockos" Reid

[Boaz]

Post by Bill Reid

Post by Boaz
When was LSD ever legal in this country, Dr. Leary? It was *always*
illegal. Now, it was *fashionable* to drop acid back in the '60s, but
legal? No way.

It was totally legal in all 50 states until October 6, 1966 in California.
A federal law made it illegal in 1967 nation-wide, and it was classified
as a "Schedule 1" narcotic in the Nixon administration's consolidation
of all the federal drug laws in 1970.
Here is one of dozens of links that would pop up if you just typed
"The drug is believed to have first appeared on the street in the U.S.
in 1963 and by 1966 the mainstream media began recognizing the
widespread use of the LSD. It was also in 1966 that LSD was made
illegal in California, in 1967 the Federal government banned the
substance." -http://www.drugabusehelp.com/drugs/lsd/
Speaking of the "mainstream media", one of my all-time favorite
episodes of the old "Dragnet" show was one that covered this exact
topic.  It opened with some beat cops arresting an LSD-crazed
hippie in a children's playground who had buried his head in the
tan-bark of the swing sets.  They take him downtown, but Friday
tells them they can't charge him with anything, because there's
no law on the books about LSD.
The rest of the episode was then just a long-winded lobbying
exercise for tougher drug laws.  They talked about how the California
legislature was taking its sweet time passing a law against LSD,
but they needed the law NOW, presumably to prevent the monstrous
crime of hippies burying their heads in swing-set tan-bark, plus
they needed tougher enforcement of the marijuana laws.
But the pay-off came at the end of the show.  They had tried
several times to arrest a young married couple with a baby who
smoked pot, but the evidence always got flushed before they
could make the bust.  With nothing better to do for the rest of
the day after that, Friday and Gannon engaged in a long pointless
debate with the couple about whether or not drugs are a "victimless"
crime.
Suddenly, the woman realizes something, runs into the bathroom,
and screams.  Friday and Gannon run into the bathroom, where
they see her baby, floating drowned in the bathtub where Mommy
Pothead forgot her.  So Friday, like the callous psychopath he was,
just can't resist getting his last word in: "You think drugs are a
victimless crime.  THERE'S your victim."
Gannon:  I'd like to request that I be allowed to leave the scene.
Friday: Why?
Gannon: Because for the first time in 25 years on the job, I think
I'm going to be sick.
Friday: Permission granted.
[GANNON RUNS OUT WITH CHEEKS INFLATED WITH MOUTH VOMIT,
ZOOM IN ON FRIDAY'S DISGUSTED FACE]
[FADE TO PERP SENTENCING OUTRO]
Perhaps even funnier than the end of "Dr. Zhivago" if that's possible...
Anyway, "Bore-Ass", since you were factually incorrect on the
topic of LSD legality prior to the late sixties, I will now wait patiently
for you to admit that you were wrong, since I know you are cut
from the same moral cloth as "Icky-Whipped", who hilariously
"That's why I keep myself safe in a fortress of
the truth.  And when I'm wrong I admit it, something you never do."
BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!
Man, I swear I can't remember him EVER admitting he was factually
wrong about the many things I "corrected" him on, but who knows, he
might have done it ONCE or twice...mostly, he just resorts to slinging
the "n-word" around and actionable libel when cornered by the pesky
truth...
---
William Ernest "'Icky' Smashed Diogenes' Lamp, Yarblockos" Reid

I'm not admitting I'm wrong, not after all that horseshit you just
spewed, Reidiot.

Crawl back into your slimy hole, you fucking little crippled worm. And
take your cane with you; maybe you can shove it up your ass while
you're at it.

Boaz
("I'm not sorry, and I'll not apologize, and I'd just as soon go to
Dublin as to hell.")

[Bill Reid]

Post by Boaz

Post by Bill Reid

Post by Boaz
When was LSD ever legal in this country, Dr. Leary? It was *always*
illegal. Now, it was *fashionable* to drop acid back in the '60s, but
legal? No way.

It was totally legal in all 50 states until October 6, 1966 in California.
A federal law made it illegal in 1967 nation-wide, and it was classified
as a "Schedule 1" narcotic in the Nixon administration's consolidation
of all the federal drug laws in 1970.
Here is one of dozens of links that would pop up if you just typed
"The drug is believed to have first appeared on the street in the U.S.
in 1963 and by 1966 the mainstream media began recognizing the
widespread use of the LSD. It was also in 1966 that LSD was made
illegal in California, in 1967 the Federal government banned the
substance." -http://www.drugabusehelp.com/drugs/lsd/
Anyway, "Bore-Ass", since you were factually incorrect on the
topic of LSD legality prior to the late sixties, I will now wait patiently
for you to admit that you were wrong, since I know you are cut
from the same moral cloth as "Icky-Whipped", who hilariously
"That's why I keep myself safe in a fortress of
the truth. And when I'm wrong I admit it, something you never do."
BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!
Man, I swear I can't remember him EVER admitting he was factually
wrong about the many things I "corrected" him on, but who knows, he
might have done it ONCE or twice...mostly, he just resorts to slinging
the "n-word" around and actionable libel when cornered by the pesky
truth...
---
William Ernest "'Icky' Smashed Diogenes' Lamp, Yarblockos" Reid

I'm not admitting I'm wrong, not after all that horseshit you just
spewed, Reidiot.
Crawl back into your slimy hole, you fucking little crippled worm. And
take your cane with you; maybe you can shove it up your ass while
you're at it.

Hmmmm, well at least you didn't use the "n-word" and call me
a "crook", but just like our little Quote Monkey(TM), you have no
ability to admit you're factually wrong about something, which to
me seems like a simple thing to do.

But remember one of my most often-stated axioms:

"Those who are the most often incorrect are the least likely
to ever admit making a mistake."

This, like much of what I write, is the truest and most perceptive
thing you will ever read on Usenet. Smart people, when they make
a mistake, just admit it, file away the correct fact in their memory, and
move on. This is actually an important part of how they continue to
become more knowledgable over time.

Stupid people, on the other hand...

---
William Ernest "Thought I Made A Mistake Once, But I Was Wrong" Reid

[ichorwhip]

On Oct 11, 9:40 pm, "Reidiot®" <***@happyhealthy.net> wrote:

Well, well, well... IF it isn't the other half of the dumb-manic
douche-o... Came on out to help your worse half in the ongoing
"Battle in Heaven", how nice a bedfellow you are to him....
GWAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!! I'd expect you'd be busy picking up a lot of
fake bargains on the stock market as you're phony portfolio no doubt
has taken a big hit. I think you'd best pencil in some GM and
Chrysler just in case...

Post by Bill Reid

Post by Boaz
When was LSD ever legal in this country, Dr. Leary? It was *always*
illegal. Now, it was *fashionable* to drop acid back in the '60s, but
legal? No way.

It was totally legal in all 50 states until October 6, 1966 in California.
A federal law made it illegal in 1967 nation-wide, and it was classified
as a "Schedule 1" narcotic in the Nixon administration's consolidation
of all the federal drug laws in 1970.

So Reidiot® you've returned to show us all your superior wiki-
knowledge on controlled substances eh? How many times have you done
LSD btw?

Post by Bill Reid
Here is one of dozens of links that would pop up if you just typed
"The drug is believed to have first appeared on the street in the U.S.
in 1963 and by 1966 the mainstream media began recognizing the
widespread use of the LSD. It was also in 1966 that LSD was made
illegal in California, in 1967 the Federal government banned the
substance." -http://www.drugabusehelp.com/drugs/lsd/

Well being intoxicated in public then, when did that become illegal?

Post by Bill Reid
Speaking of the "mainstream media", one of my all-time favorite
episodes of the old "Dragnet" show was one that covered this exact
topic.  It opened with some beat cops arresting an LSD-crazed
hippie in a children's playground who had buried his head in the
tan-bark of the swing sets.  They take him downtown, but Friday
tells them they can't charge him with anything, because there's
no law on the books about LSD.
The rest of the episode was then just a long-winded lobbying
exercise for tougher drug laws.  They talked about how the California
legislature was taking its sweet time passing a law against LSD,
but they needed the law NOW, presumably to prevent the monstrous
crime of hippies burying their heads in swing-set tan-bark, plus
they needed tougher enforcement of the marijuana laws.
But the pay-off came at the end of the show.  They had tried
several times to arrest a young married couple with a baby who
smoked pot, but the evidence always got flushed before they
could make the bust.  With nothing better to do for the rest of
the day after that, Friday and Gannon engaged in a long pointless
debate with the couple about whether or not drugs are a "victimless"
crime.
Suddenly, the woman realizes something, runs into the bathroom,
and screams.  Friday and Gannon run into the bathroom, where
they see her baby, floating drowned in the bathtub where Mommy
Pothead forgot her.  So Friday, like the callous psychopath he was,
just can't resist getting his last word in: "You think drugs are a
victimless crime.  THERE'S your victim."

So you liked that one above all others eh? When I saw it I was a
young kid and I thought it was pretty horrible and shocking myself.
Drowned kids just aren't my cup of THC I guess...

Post by Bill Reid
Gannon:  I'd like to request that I be allowed to leave the scene.
Friday: Why?
Gannon: Because for the first time in 25 years on the job, I think
I'm going to be sick.
Friday: Permission granted.
[GANNON RUNS OUT WITH CHEEKS INFLATED WITH MOUTH VOMIT,
ZOOM IN ON FRIDAY'S DISGUSTED FACE]
[FADE TO PERP SENTENCING OUTRO]
Perhaps even funnier than the end of "Dr. Zhivago" if that's possible...

Always back to your trumpeted bad taste... You aren't Gabriel are
you?

Post by Bill Reid
Anyway, "Bore-Ass", since you were factually incorrect on the
topic of LSD legality prior to the late sixties, I will now wait patiently
for you to admit that you were wrong, since I know you are cut
from the same moral cloth as "Icky-Whipped", who hilariously
"That's why I keep myself safe in a fortress of
the truth.  And when I'm wrong I admit it, something you never do."
BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

GWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!! I knew you were stalking me, and
that totally smoked you out you dirty bird! Truth is I much prefer
you over your conjoined-at-the-anus twin... although you both are
different kinds of suck to be certain.

Post by Bill Reid
Man, I swear I can't remember him EVER admitting he was factually
wrong about the many things I "corrected" him on,

The very essence of disingenousness or rampant memory loss... We've
been through this like a hundred times now I'm sure, and always with
the same result. You must be like Drew Barrymore in that stupid "50
First Dates" if you're not just ignorant on purpose....

Post by Bill Reid
but who knows, he
might have done it ONCE or twice...

You'd know well if only you weren't you.

Post by Bill Reid
mostly, he just resorts to slinging
the "n-word" around and actionable libel when cornered by the pesky
truth...
William Ernest "'Icky' Smashed Diogenes' Lamp, Yarblockos" Reid

"When you answer questions, look the judges in the eye."
i
"piop"

[Harry Bailey]

On Oct 11, 8:05 am, kelpzoidzl <***@gmail.com> wrote:
This piece of fascist garbage reminds me of those unfortunates who see
'Jesus' in a cloud formation and then rant and rave for the rest of
their psychotic lives about such 'facts'.

Best to ignore him. His doctors will be arriving soon.

[Harry Bailey]

Post by Harry Bailey
This piece of fascist garbage reminds me of those unfortunates who see
'Jesus' in a cloud formation and then rant and rave for the rest of
their psychotic lives about such 'facts'.
Best to ignore him. His doctors will be arriving soon.

And oh look, paranoid fuckwit parents protest a Fisher Price toy baby
doll that exclaims "Kubrick was not an acid-popping neo-fascist
Buddshit-worshipping drug addict":

http://www.kjrh.com/news/local/story.aspx?content_id=5c383aca-c3d2-4b3d-b4a5-5a8108ba4971

"The Little Mommy Cuddle ‘n Coo dolls feature realistic baby sounds
including cooing, giggling, and baby babble with no real sentence
structure."

KELPS: They do not! They clearly state that Kubrick was not an acid-
popping neo-fascist Buddshit-worshipping drug addict. They're EVIL!

[ichorwhip]

Post by Harry Bailey

Post by Harry Bailey
This piece of fascist garbage reminds me of those unfortunates who see
'Jesus' in a cloud formation and then rant and rave for the rest of
their psychotic lives about such 'facts'.
Best to ignore him. His doctors will be arriving soon.

And oh look, paranoid fuckwit parents protest a Fisher Price toy baby
doll that exclaims "Kubrick was not an acid-popping neo-fascist
http://www.kjrh.com/news/local/story.aspx?content_id=5c383aca-c3d2-4b...
"The Little Mommy Cuddle ‘n Coo dolls feature realistic baby sounds
including cooing, giggling, and baby babble with no real sentence
structure."
KELPS: They do not! They clearly state that Kubrick was not an acid-
popping neo-fascist Buddshit-worshipping drug addict. They're EVIL!

LOL!

"I want a doll that says "Satan is King" mummy!"
"Shut your mouth girl, you know Elvis is the King!"

[Harry Bailey]

Post by ichorwhip

Post by Harry Bailey

Post by Harry Bailey
This piece of fascist garbage reminds me of those unfortunates who see
'Jesus' in a cloud formation and then rant and rave for the rest of
their psychotic lives about such 'facts'.
Best to ignore him. His doctors will be arriving soon.

And oh look, paranoid fuckwit parents protest a Fisher Price toy baby
doll that exclaims "Kubrick was not an acid-popping neo-fascist
http://www.kjrh.com/news/local/story.aspx?content_id=5c383aca-c3d2-4b...
"The Little Mommy Cuddle ‘n Coo dolls feature realistic baby sounds
including cooing, giggling, and baby babble with no real sentence
structure."
KELPS: They do not! They clearly state that Kubrick was not an acid-
popping neo-fascist Buddshit-worshipping drug addict. They're EVIL!

LOL!
"I want a doll that says "Satan is King" mummy!"
"Shut your mouth girl, you know Elvis is the King!"-

Maybe they're 'sleeper cell' suicide dolls in waiting. I mean,
dauugonit, if your favourite canines can so easily be turned into
barking bombdog terrorists, like these poor mutts ...

[ichorwhip]

Post by Harry Bailey

Post by ichorwhip

Post by Harry Bailey

Post by Harry Bailey
This piece of fascist garbage reminds me of those unfortunates who see
'Jesus' in a cloud formation and then rant and rave for the rest of
their psychotic lives about such 'facts'.
Best to ignore him. His doctors will be arriving soon.

And oh look, paranoid fuckwit parents protest a Fisher Price toy baby
doll that exclaims "Kubrick was not an acid-popping neo-fascist
http://www.kjrh.com/news/local/story.aspx?content_id=5c383aca-c3d2-4b...
"The Little Mommy Cuddle ‘n Coo dolls feature realistic baby sounds
including cooing, giggling, and baby babble with no real sentence
structure."
KELPS: They do not! They clearly state that Kubrick was not an acid-
popping neo-fascist Buddshit-worshipping drug addict. They're EVIL!

LOL!
"I want a doll that says "Satan is King" mummy!"
"Shut your mouth girl, you know Elvis is the King!"-

Maybe they're 'sleeper cell' suicide dolls in waiting. I mean,
dauugonit, if your favourite canines can so easily be turned into
barking bombdog terrorists, like these poor mutts ...

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Damned Terrierists!

That was almost as good as the flamewar going on in the comments
section:

joanofnarc:Took you long enough to reply mingeface bet the disney
channels getting some hits eh dirty balls ! so you get me for a minor
spelling error and that gets you off the hook for your serious lack of
grown up comments, big fucking deal now get back to your gary glitter
impressions ps. you're a cuntyish cunt of all cunts.

UB00T235: Fuck me you are getting quite boring now!
Unlike you cuntfuck I have a business to run so I don't spend every
fucking day on the 'net.
Spelling error? No - a most basic grammatical error that clearly
displays your lack of intelligence.
What's up getting too personal now? Let me refresh your memory - YOU
THREW THE FIRST STONE - so pick up your toys and get back in your pram
you thick cuntfuckfaced paddycunt.

[Wordsmith]

Post by ichorwhip

Post by Harry Bailey

Post by Harry Bailey
This piece of fascist garbage reminds me of those unfortunates who see
'Jesus' in a cloud formation and then rant and rave for the rest of
their psychotic lives about such 'facts'.
Best to ignore him. His doctors will be arriving soon.

And oh look, paranoid fuckwit parents protest a Fisher Price toy baby
doll that exclaims "Kubrick was not an acid-popping neo-fascist
http://www.kjrh.com/news/local/story.aspx?content_id=5c383aca-c3d2-4b...
"The Little Mommy Cuddle ‘n Coo dolls feature realistic baby sounds
including cooing, giggling, and baby babble with no real sentence
structure."
KELPS: They do not! They clearly state that Kubrick was not an acid-
popping neo-fascist Buddshit-worshipping drug addict. They're EVIL!

LOL!
"I want a doll that says "Satan is King" mummy!"
"Shut your mouth girl, you know Elvis is the King!"- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

Elvis is STILL the King!

W ; )

[kelpzoidzl]

Post by Wordsmith

Post by ichorwhip

Post by Harry Bailey

Post by Harry Bailey
This piece of fascist garbage reminds me of those unfortunates who see
'Jesus' in a cloud formation and then rant and rave for the rest of
their psychotic lives about such 'facts'.
Best to ignore him. His doctors will be arriving soon.

And oh look, paranoid fuckwit parents protest a Fisher Price toy baby
doll that exclaims "Kubrick was not an acid-popping neo-fascist
http://www.kjrh.com/news/local/story.aspx?content_id=5c383aca-c3d2-4b...
"The Little Mommy Cuddle ‘n Coo dolls feature realistic baby sounds
including cooing, giggling, and baby babble with no real sentence
structure."
KELPS: They do not! They clearly state that Kubrick was not an acid-
popping neo-fascist Buddshit-worshipping drug addict. They're EVIL!

LOL!
"I want a doll that says "Satan is King" mummy!"
"Shut your mouth girl, you know Elvis is the King!"- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

Elvis is STILL the King!
http://youtu.be/e_hkIN38qnY
W ; )- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

What about Frank n furter for Queen

dc

[Wordsmith]

Post by kelpzoidzl

Post by Wordsmith

Post by ichorwhip

Post by Harry Bailey

Post by Harry Bailey
This piece of fascist garbage reminds me of those unfortunates who see
'Jesus' in a cloud formation and then rant and rave for the rest of
their psychotic lives about such 'facts'.
Best to ignore him. His doctors will be arriving soon.

And oh look, paranoid fuckwit parents protest a Fisher Price toy baby
doll that exclaims "Kubrick was not an acid-popping neo-fascist
http://www.kjrh.com/news/local/story.aspx?content_id=5c383aca-c3d2-4b...
"The Little Mommy Cuddle ‘n Coo dolls feature realistic baby sounds
including cooing, giggling, and baby babble with no real sentence
structure."
KELPS: They do not! They clearly state that Kubrick was not an acid-
popping neo-fascist Buddshit-worshipping drug addict. They're EVIL!

LOL!
"I want a doll that says "Satan is King" mummy!"
"Shut your mouth girl, you know Elvis is the King!"- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

Elvis is STILL the King!
http://youtu.be/e_hkIN38qnY
W ; )- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

What about Frank n furter for Queen
http://youtu.be/0l6Y_8BJA4g
dc- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

I saw the film at Okon, a science fiction
convention, in '77 or '78. Brings back
memories. I wonder if Curry and Sarandon
are embarrassed by it today.

W ; )

[ichorwhip]

<snip>

Post by Boaz
What I am seeing here is the equivalent of graffitti-tagging the Mona
Lisa. In fact, what these jerks are doing is the same thing that we
see in the lobby of the building Alex and his family live, where the
mural is desecrated with obscene markings.

"If it moves, kiss it!" exactly!

Post by Boaz
These morons (and they ARE morons) have been weaned by rap music,
video games and MTV. They are semi-literate assholes without one bit
of understanding context, as you pointed out yourself, Ich. Are these
same knuckle-draggers and mouth-breathers doing likewise with the more
commercial and popular films? I doubt it. Where is the fun in that?

They'd be fucking Welles and Antonioni and Renoir and Bergman and
Kurosawa and Lean if only they knew the slightest bit about them or
anyone else as if film has a history steeped in artistic greatness.

Post by Boaz
No, let's just desecrate the real, genuine great works of cinema,
starting with those made by Stanley Kubrick. And these are prolly the
same type of shitheads who still think ACO is cool for the wrong
reasons.

I always go back to that Halloween party I went to in Girls Gone Wild
land aka Panama City, Florida well over a decade ago wherein a
highschool buddy of mine dressed as Alex replete with codpiece,
eyelash and bowler. As the drencrom and alcohol and smirkery
coalesced into a happy countenance in my erstwhile pal I gently told
him that later I should remind him of what an idiot he is and why.
And he remains one to this day.

Post by Boaz
They also prolly think R. Lee Ermey is "one cool dude," yet
if any of them were to end up as a Marine recruit they might think
otherwise, because Ermey would rip them a new one to the point where
they would ask for seconds. But, no, here Ermey is a cult hero whose
celebrity status has been secured due to his show on the History
Channel, where he goes off on a semi-parody of his Sgt. Hartmann
persona, which not only might have watered down the context of the
boot camp sequence in FMJ, it might have also given the impression to
these hopeless couch potatoes that "war is cool."

So true! Sgt. Hartman is "cute and funny", but the underlying blood
and guts are grim. Lee Ermey has dishonored himself and dishonored
the corp with his continued cheapening of Hartman. He is as
irrelevant an actor as Kubrick ever employed.

Post by Boaz
I thought the one trailer parody was funny -- the one that turned "The
Shining" into a "feel-good" comedy. We discussed that one three years
ago.

Yeah, that was initially amusing but it soon began to fester and reek
with time and the realization as to what this meant for the future of
Kubrick's films.

Post by Boaz
But what is with the "I like turtles" shit? What the fuck is that
all about?

YouTubers Gone Full Retard!

Post by Boaz
And then Kelpzilla has the gall (and stupidity) to re-run those gawd-
awful FAKE Brian Atene videos. Didn't we already ferret out this
impostor two years ago?

Was that actually in there? I only gave these things as cursory a
glance as I could bear. Most I noticed were merely some bugwhumper
who'd intergrated himself into the footage with idiotic results.

Post by Boaz
Are people so dumbed-down that they don't even understand what it is
they are watching? Apparently so. It is this kind of mind-set that
would rather vote for some old white guy who has one foot in the
grave, only because he has a "hot looking" running mate,

I think Tina Fey is actually hotter even though she needs microwaving
for 1-2 minutes. Palin (Quim the Eskimo) certainly showed a talent (a
prerequisite for all respectable beauty contests) for question evasion
in that sham of a debate.

Post by Boaz
though to me
she looks like a composite drawing of every grade school and junior
high teacher, every PTA mom, every Cub Scout den mother, every high
school girlfriend's mother -- anyone who is a supreme ball-buster and
therefore every young male's worst nightmare -- than to vote for
someone who at least shows he will try his damndest to fight for
change and improvements in this country and its relationship to the
rest of the world should he be elected president.
Bog help us all.
Boaz
("There are times I feel ashamed to be a member of the human race, and
this is one of them")

Oh don't worry s'much fella! We can just fuck up and rape a true
artist's vision to amuse and distract ourselves from all the
fuckwheels and bugwhumpers that are "bombing the universe."

"Viddy well litt'l brother, viddy well!"
i
"piop"

[Harry Bailey]

Post by kelpzoidzl
I wonder if Kubrick would be busy having letters written to You Tube
about the proliferation of re-edits of short segments of his films?
Or would he just marvel at this new cultural phenomena and laugh along
with it.

KUBRICK
Jesus H. Christ! Private Kelps, why is your laptop unlocked?

KELPS
Sir, I don't know, sir!

KUBRICK
Private Kelps, if there is one thing in this world that
I hate, it is an unlocked laptop! You know that, don't you?

KELPS
Sir, yes, sir!

KUBRICK
If it wasn't for dickheads like you, there wouldn't be any thievery in
this world, would there?

KELPS
Sir, no, sir!

KUBRICK
Give it to me!
Well, now .. . let's just see if there's anything missing!
Holy Jesus! What is that? What is that, Private Kelps?!

KELPS
Sir, it's a You-Tube Kubrick Clip-fest, sir!

KUBRICK
A You-Tube Kubrick Clip-fest?!

KELPS
Sir, yes, sir!

KUBRICK
How did it get there?

KELPS
Sir, I took some scenes from your films and put it together, sir!

KUBRICK
Are you allowed to fuck with other recruits' belongings in the
barracks, Private Kelps?

KELPS
Sir, no, sir!

KUBRICK
Are you allowed to fuck with my movies, Private Kelps?

KELPS
Sir, no, sir!

KUBRICK
And why not, Private Kelps?

KELPS
Sir, because I'm a stupid selfish pig, sir!

KUBRICK
Because you are an ignorant disgusting fatbody, Private Kelps!

KELPS
Sir, yes,sir!

KUBRICK
Then why did you make this You-tube clipfest, Private Kelps?

KELPS
Sir, because I was hungry for images, sir!


KUBRICK
Because you were hungry for images?
Private Kelps has dishonored himself and dishonored the platoon! I
have tried to help him, but I have failed! I have failed because you
have not helped me! You people have not given Private Kelps the proper
motivation! So, from now on, whenever Private Kelps fucks up, I will
not punish him, I will punish all of you! And the way I see it,
ladies, you owe me for one You-tube clipfest! Now, get on your faces!

(to KELPS)

Open your pants! [He shoves the laptop down inside KELPS's pants]
They're paying for it, you fuck it!
----------------------------
[with apologies for selfish script butchery]

[Ken F. Vermithrall]

Post by kelpzoidzl
here are some re-edits I've seen

There are also several of my favorite: 2001. My own remix of it is a
little different than all the others I've seen, in that I remixed single
frames and small segments of audio.

After the flame-war on this thread I'm afraid to ask what people think
of it. But modern technology didn't exactly make that one "easy", more
like "possible", to do in one's free time.

[Boaz]

On Oct 12, 11:41 am, "Ken F. Vermithrall"

Post by kelpzoidzl
here are some re-edits I've seen

There are also several of my favorite: 2001.  My own remix of it is a
little different than all the others I've seen, in that I remixed single
frames and small segments of audio.
http://youtu.be/g24nAw5X1pA
After the flame-war on this thread I'm afraid to ask what people think
of it.  But modern technology didn't exactly make that one "easy", more
like "possible", to do in one's free time.

Too bad that in your "free time" you can't do something more original
than to take a pivotal scene from a great film and reduce it to a
cheap gay joke.

Perhaps if you were to read some of the comments on this thread more
carefully (beyond the personal attacks that have flooded it) you would
see that the major criticism is aimed at the lack of originality in
these videos. At least some of the student films I recall from my
college days tried to aspire to be something better than what the end
result produced. And that was due to the lack of money, or the
equipment just wasn't up to the level that the needs were. Or to use
friends as actors -- most of whom did not possess much talent, let
alone screen presence -- also hindered one's vision.

But this "phantom edit" nonsense that I see of yours, along with the
other feeble attempts to "spoof" Kubrick's other films, only leaves me
sad and disenchanted. Is that all there is? What's your point? I
wonder if you even understood the subtext of the original scene.

Anyway, I think most of us have ignored you until this point because,
if you have read the comments on this thread that pertain to this and
the other YouTube videos, you ought to know the general concensus is
not favorable to your "efforts."

If "2001" is your "favorite" film, why do this? It is like painting a
moustache on the Mona Lisa, like putting a fig leaf on Adam in the
Sistine Chapel ceiling painting; like putting a disco or rap beat to
Beethoven's 9th Symphony.

Why not use your access to your editing software to share with us your
thoughts as to why "2001" is your "favorite" film? How about showing
us examples of why this is such a great work of cinema. Up until now
we've only used words to decipher, discuss, parse and analyze a medium
that relies largely on images. If I had such free time I would like to
produce such a work for discussion.

Maybe when you can show us something that distinguishes Ken F.
Vermithrall (if that *is* your real name) from the other "fanboys" who
use their digital video cameras and their editing software for more
than just engaging in a circle jerk in cyperspace you might find
yourself being taken more seriously among those of us who still hold
Kubrick in high esteem, discussing his films -- really discussing them
-- and not simply graffiti-tagging them for a cheap laugh.

Boaz
("That!!! Using Ludwig Van like that! He did no harm to anyone.
Beethoven just wrote music!")

[kelpzoidzl]

LOL


Boaz and Ichor and Padraig Why don't you enter the 21st century and
do a BLOG and VLOGs> I's think you'd be happier.

All you guys ever post is constant flames. Now if you had a Blog
you'd be able to put photos and images and even video on them and at
the same time control who is allowed to comment on them.

Or is that you you prefer to spend all your time here flaming those
you consider beneath your brilliance.

Maybe it's just that you really have nothing to say except flames.


I don't read the walls of insane text that just flame and flame. It's
pathetic. There's no reasoning with you guys you are just nasty lame
brains.


Do yourselves favor and do a blog. That way you won't have to argue
with lesser beings then you and you will have full comtrol.

These are good ones:


http://wordpress.org/

https://www.blogger.com/start

http://technorati.com/



dc

[Boaz]

LOL
Boaz and Ichor and Padraig  Why don't you enter the 21st century and
do a BLOG and VLOGs> I's think you'd be happier.

What do you know what I think, asshole?

All you guys ever post is constant flames.  

Only at you, shit-for-brains.

Now if you had a Blog
you'd be able to put photos and images and even video on them and at
the same time control who is allowed to comment on them.

Why don't you start a "I-Jack-Off-to-Buffy-Videos" blog? Show us how
it's done.

Or is that you you prefer to spend all your time here flaming those
you consider beneath your brilliance.

Like you? You're beneath a lot of people's brilliance. We're the only
ones who care to flame assholes like you.

Remember, jerk, you started attacking us. You attacked me for my "book
reports" while offering nothing worthwhile to discuss. You couldn't
even discuss "Spartacus" without relating how it affected you as a
teenager. You cannot formulate an intelligent discussion on anything
-- except maybe acid-dropping Buddhists.

Maybe it's just that you really have nothing to say except flames.

You have NOTHING to say at all. That's why you attack us.

I don't read the walls of insane text that just flame and flame.  It's
pathetic.  There's no reasoning with you guys you are just nasty lame
brains.

You should work for Karl Rove. You do a lot of twisting facts around
to make yourself out to be the victim. Everyone knows what a phony
asshole you are. You attack everyone else and then whine about being
picked on when we speak in our defense.

Do yourselves  favor and do a blog.  That way you won't have to argue
with lesser beings then you and you will have full comtrol.

Do all of us a favor and go to hell, asshole.

Boaz
("Why don't you start by getting the fuck out of here?")

[kelpzoidzl]

Post by Boaz

LOL
Boaz and Ichor and Padraig  Why don't you enter the 21st century and
do a BLOG and VLOGs> I's think you'd be happier.

What do you know what I think, asshole?

All you guys ever post is constant flames.  

Only at you, shit-for-brains.

Now if you had a Blog
you'd be able to put photos and images and even video on them and at
the same time control who is allowed to comment on them.

Why don't you start a "I-Jack-Off-to-Buffy-Videos" blog? Show us how
it's done.

Or is that you you prefer to spend all your time here flaming those
you consider beneath your brilliance.

Like you? You're beneath a lot of people's brilliance. We're the only
ones who care to flame assholes like you.
Remember, jerk, you started attacking us. You attacked me for my "book
reports" while offering nothing worthwhile to discuss. You couldn't
even discuss "Spartacus" without relating how it affected you as a
teenager. You cannot formulate an intelligent discussion on anything
-- except maybe acid-dropping Buddhists.

Maybe it's just that you really have nothing to say except flames.

You have NOTHING to say at all. That's why you attack us.

I don't read the walls of insane text that just flame and flame.  It's
pathetic.  There's no reasoning with you guys you are just nasty lame
brains.

You should work for Karl Rove. You do a lot of twisting facts around
to make yourself out to be the victim. Everyone knows what a phony
asshole you are. You attack everyone else and then whine about being
picked on when we speak in our defense.

Do yourselves  favor and do a blog.  That way you won't have to argue
with lesser beings then you and you will have full comtrol.

Do all of us a favor and go to hell, asshole.
Boaz
("Why don't you start by getting the fuck out of here?")

I didn't attack you for the Book reports untill you started flaming.
In fact I complemented quite a few things you wrote. But I expressed
my distaste for pseudo-academic authors inventing things about Kubrick
as though it is scientific fact, rather then what it really us------
subjective, agenda driven nonsense------which much of it is, and how
it annoys me

I also made the point that many of these pontificating, psuedo-
academic movie reviews, by these "experts" are the same kind of
pretentious stuff Kubrick hated. Your admiration for books like "The
Wolf at the Door" shows me you buy into ideopathic conjecture,
written as though it's fact, when in reality IMO, it is at the level
of a conspriacy theory, falsely legitimized with academic jargon.

It was an opinion you didn't want to hear and the rest was downhill in
your idiotic flames.

Your reactions to my opinion was fully out of touch with reality and
no amount of my attempt to reason with you wouold pull you out of your
flame mode. You are smug, dumb and nasty---obviously bitter about
your own life and so you hide from yourself, mentally masturbating.


dc

[Boaz]

Post by kelpzoidzl
I didn't attack you for the Book reports untill you started flaming.

Oh, bullshit, Kelpsy. Everyone knows you drew first blood.

Post by kelpzoidzl
In fact I complemented quite a few things you wrote.

Show me.

Post by kelpzoidzl
But  I expressed
my distaste for pseudo-academic authors inventing things about Kubrick
as though it is scientific fact,

No one, least of all myself, ever said anything to that effect. You
are making all this up. You are just another anti-intellectual
asshole.

Post by kelpzoidzl
rather then what it really us------
subjective, agenda driven nonsense------which much of it is,   and how
it annoys me

Then don't read it! Ignore it. Who are you the AMK police, or is it
the AMK Nazi?

Post by kelpzoidzl
I also made the point that many of these pontificating,  psuedo-
academic movie reviews, by these "experts"  are the same kind of
pretentious stuff Kubrick hated.  

How would you know what Kubrick hates and doesn't hate? Tell you what,
I'll stick my neck out and bet that Kubrick would have hated a pothead
asshole like you, especially with all this bullshit you keep spreading
around about him being a member of an acid-dropping Buddhist sect.

Post by kelpzoidzl
Your admiration for books like "The
Wolf at the Door" shows me you buy into ideopathic conjecture,

You narrow minded jerk. I am interested in all sorts of things. I
didn't "buy into" anything. I thought it was a very well researched
book. Have you read it? Of course not! You know nothing about it, not
enough to criticize it, anyway. My comments were to get people to read
it and discuss it. If they wanted to disprove the theory, fine. Bring
on the arguments. But, no, assholes like you decided to bring on the
flame throwers because they didn't have enough intellgence to
formulate a proper argument. You are like the average Republican
fuckheads who support McCain on a knee-jerk emotional level and not
analyzing the campaign from an intellectual one.

Post by kelpzoidzl
written as though it's fact, when in reality IMO, it is at the level
of a conspriacy theory, falsely  legitimized with academic jargon.

That's more like your "Kubrick was an acid-dropping Buddhist" bullshit
you keep slinging around here.

Perhaps, since you seem to know more than Professor Cocks, you could
formulate a better argument than he has in regards to the book, other
than the shit you just wrote above. C'mon, Kelpsy, Mr. Buffy,
enlighten us with your superior intelligence.

Post by kelpzoidzl
It was an opinion you didn't want to hear and the rest was downhill in
your idiotic flames.

No, you have it wrong, Mr. Tighty-tight shorts. YOU didn't want to
hear it, and you kept flaming this newsgroup until you thought you had
chased us all off of it. Who the fuck are you to try to control this
newsgroup, asshole? What are your credentials, besides having dropped
enough acid to turn your brain into a pile of mush?

Post by kelpzoidzl
Your reactions to my opinion was fully out of touch with reality

Bullshit! This is you reacting to me, Harry and Ichorwhip. You are
just projecting your own deplorable behavior back at me and the rest
of us. You can't even atone for your mistakes, just pass them on for
others to take the heat.

Post by kelpzoidzl
and
no amount of my attempt to reason with you wouold pull you out of your
flame mode.  

No amount of arguing with you has succeeded in you from pulling your
head out of your ass. You must like the view from there.

Post by kelpzoidzl
You are smug, dumb and nasty---obviously bitter about
your own life and so you hide from yourself,  mentally masturbating.

That sounds a lot like you, a burned out Baby Boomer, a sixty-
something who realizes he is closer to the end than he is the
beginning. Too bad life didn't turn out like you dreamed about in your
pot-hazed youth. But you'll get over it -- maybe.

As for me, I have too many things to do -- much better things to do --
than to waste my time on some lost soul who cannot even age
gracefully.

Boaz
("My mind is going. I can feel it. I can feel it. I can feel it. There
is no question about it.")

[MP]

You didn't like this, Boaz?

http://youtu.be/p6RzJFwDE_8

[kelpzoidzl]

Post by MP
You didn't like this, Boaz?
http://youtu.be/p6RzJFwDE_8

That one's excellent


dc

[Harry Bailey]

Post by MP
You didn't like this, Boaz?
http://youtu.be/p6RzJFwDE_8

Isn't that more in the nature of a multi-film trailer for some
imaginary or putative Kubrick Film Season, whether on TV or in a
theatre or at a film festival? At that level it may have some merit,
but otherwise it seems like just another example of, confirmation of,
machinic permutation, postmodern pastiche, and iconic reductivism for
purposes of instant consumption and gratification, or in this case,
the hedonistic treadmill of dionysian nihilism (the only 'sense' or
suturing deriving from the editing/cuts in rhythm to the soundtrack,
with sequences of cuts 'themed' by the repetition of similar dramatic
moments from each film).

"It is precisely Kubrick's coldness and slowness that are missed in a
contemporary culture that is so obsessively 'warm' and 'fast';
ingratiating, emotionally exploitative, relentlessly fidgety. Kubrick
took us out of ourselves: not via the transports of ecstatic fervour,
but through the icy contemplation of what drives and traps us, and
the
vision of a universe indifferent to our passions. To see the
mechanical deathliness of the human world from the perspective of
that
indiffferent universe: that is what Kubrick offered us. A vision of
God (which is also an approximation of God's vision).

Kubrick returns - why deny it? - to an essentially religious
sensibility, although his religion is 'atheistic' in the same sense
Spinoza's was. For Spinoza, God = immanence, matter in itself, the
gloriously dispassionate, desolated cosmos. Kubrick evokes the
desubjectified affects of awe and dread, rather than the compulsory,
socially-endorsed, 'warm' emotions of empathy/ sympathy, as homage to
a universe whose indifference entails not pessimism, but freedom:
freedom from the miserable prisonhouse of the human.

Post by MP
sentimentality, speed, and noise. (i.e puerile sentimentality, high
speed cutting, and an excessively loud bang or explosion every few
minutes).

Couldn't agree more. I guess what's interesting about this is the
tension between the quick-cutting and the sentimentality: the
quick-cutting gives films a disocciated, schizophrenic quality (I'm
thinking of Jameson's observation that postmodern subjectivity is
'schizophrenic' in that it is unable to synthesize a coherent sense
of
time), which is so abstract that you would imagine it was evacuated
of
any emotion. I guess the sentimentality is what 'glues together' what
would otherwise be a experience devoid of much connecting thread. "

To this then could be added - in the case of most youtube re-
scrambling of images and sonics - the quick-fix reductivism, the
reduction of a work or text to a short attention-span, quickly
digestible, blankly immediate, pastiche spectacle, without context,
without pause, without reflection, and without memory.

[MP]

Post by Harry Bailey

Post by MP
You didn't like this, Boaz?
http://youtu.be/p6RzJFwDE_8

Isn't that more in the nature of a multi-film trailer for some
imaginary or putative Kubrick Film Season, whether on TV or in a
theatre or at a film festival? At that level it may have some merit,
but otherwise it seems like just another example of, confirmation of,
machinic permutation, postmodern pastiche, and iconic reductivism for
purposes of instant consumption and gratification, or in this case,
the hedonistic treadmill of dionysian nihilism (the only 'sense' or
suturing deriving from the editing/cuts in rhythm to the soundtrack,
with sequences of cuts 'themed' by the repetition of similar dramatic
moments from each film).

Yes, that's exactly what it is. A post modern pastiche in which a
bunch of Kubrick moments are taken out of context, strung together and
presented as a bravura showreel.

But what's the difference between this and what Jan Harlan does at the
beginning of his documentary? Harlan takes Kubrick's filmography,
selects several striking images, and hits us with a loud montage. This
is Kubrick, Harlan says. Powerful images, memorable compositions and
neat music. Harlan then proceeds to reduce Kubrick's art to a series
of soundbites.

The fact is, any homage to Kubrick, no matter how well intentioned,
reduces his work. In the Bible, God orders his followers to never
construct images of him. To do so would reduce his glory and
magnificance. After all, how can a mere replica ever hope to convey
the greatness of God?

You're arguing likewise. To reproduce Kubrick, dilutes the meaning of
Kubrick. It reduces Kubrick to a mere object. A false idol to look
upon. And I agree with you. But how do you distinguish between
celebrating a director and reducing his work?

90 percent of all Kubrick fans already love him for fairly superficial
reasons. They love him for his style, his imagery and his "accessible
artyness". They celebrate Kubrick through montages like this, which,
essentially ammount to nothing more than bombastic, masturbatory
images.

To the 10 percent or so who really delve deeper into Kubrick, we
celebrate him through conversations like these. Through articles,
contemplation, books and countless essays. Like the scholars who
transcribed the Bible, we approach Kubrick through the mind and the
written word.

But the masses need their Kubrick iconography, their silly fan vids
and their montages. They've never read Kubrick. Most don't care to.
The best case scenerio is that vids like these seduce young viewers,
and hopefully, through time, lead them to something more meaingful.

What you're really rallying against is a Clockwork future in which art
has lost the power to kill. In which all art has been reproduced,
chopped up and spat back out to the point that it loses all value.
This is already happening. It will get worse.
The only way to fight it is to impose sanctions on your own art. Thou
shalt not reproduce this, least you feel the wrath of copyright
infringement.

[kelpzoidzl]

On Oct 11, 2:50 pm, Boaz <***@yahoo.com> wrote:
<snip more of the same nastiness and paranoid spin>

Boaz

From your nasty, crazy suspicious attack on my posts about the
buddhist connection or LSD related remarks to your equally as wacky
idea you saw me at a book store in West Hollywood buying Buffy
DVDs........you are just a nasty paranoid wacko, Boaz.

Although you must live at the bottom of a well, hundreds of thousands
of people from the US and UK took the buddhist initiation in those
years, likewise millions of people have enthusiastically bought Buffy
DVDs.

Due to some warped and narrow Ideas of Reference you think that was
me at your bookstore or that I have white hair, cellulite etc. Fact
is Boaz, I've never been in Border's in West Hollywood.

You are a crank Boaz with 3 crank friends (ichor, gen, padraig)
coveting this NG like it was your own possession and posting after
each other as though you are joined at the hip.

I remember I think the first argument we had was you taking personal
my disappointment in "A Very Long Engagement"----I agreed with what
you wrote----- the battle scene were very reminiscent to "Paths of
Glory"---but then when I went on giving my opinion I said I didn't
like the weird cutsy, Ghey stuff that bugged me cause it ruined the
epicness of the film and that I couldn't get into Amelie for the same
reason, you took it personal----so invested in thoese films that I was
somehow insulting you personally.

Strangly, the other poster on that thread disagreed with your thesis
in your post-----the Paths of Glory point, but likes the movie---so
then you commiserated with whoever that was. That is typical and
wacky.

Then when I read your book reviews on certain books you took it
personal when I expressed my peronal feelings about intellectualizing
on Kubrick films in that way---which I think is pretentious and
conspiratorial---even though I have complimented some of your reviews
and quite a few of your write ups.

With you it is all of nothing.

You are so fragile that me criticizing the point of view expressed in
a book you like, is a criticism of YOU, not that author and you
become unhinged and start calling names..

You escalate, start calling names and when I try to reason with you
and restate my opinions you continue to escalate. Then your joined at
the hip gang buddys, join in and at that point I can either sink to
your level or ignore it. generally I would just plonk. Since my Time
Warner Server stopped it's news server I am stuck on google unless I
want to pay for this abuse, which I don't, but I can't plonk you with
google groups.

Some time ago, when I suggested people without alot of cash. should
spend money on better computers rather then focusing on spending money
upgrading DVD players and transient disc formats, etc. for minimal
improvement, then the obvious technical impoverishment rears it's
ugly head and I am flamed again. I hope all the less financially
secure, are now enjoying their broken, outdated computers and TV
systems.

If I start a thread like this, re-edits on Youtube thread, followed
with insane and nutty attacks as though I think these re-edits are the
holy grail. You lack the basics of human civility. You are really
full of yourselves.

You nasty people are the washed out flotsam that washed up on the
shore of a ravaged AMK.

Fine don't start a blog, You apparently, really have nothing to
say.....or do for that matter.

Reviewers and critics, review because they can't do. The deeper the
bullshit in the review, the more they are unable to do and here on
AMK the bullshit, can't do, is so thick, even kids making silly re-
edits are more creative


I may be 61 years old but I am far more youthful then you sourpuss
nasty cunkheads.


dc

[Boaz]

<snip lots o' ranting>

"Mummy! Mummy! The bad man in the tight shorts is picking on me
again!"

"Now, Buffy, I told you to never go venturing into AMK without your
hammer and wooden stake."

"Ohhhhh, look, Mummy! The bad man fell off his bike again!"

"Well, sweetie, that's what happens when you backpedal too much. Now,
go home and fetch the wolfbane."

[MickeyMoop]

Post by MP

Post by Harry Bailey

Post by MP
You didn't like this, Boaz?
http://youtu.be/p6RzJFwDE_8

Isn't that more in the nature of a multi-film trailer for some
imaginary or putative Kubrick Film Season, whether on TV or in a
theatre or at a film festival? At that level it may have some merit,
but otherwise it seems like just another example of, confirmation of,
machinic permutation, postmodern pastiche, and iconic reductivism for
purposes of instant consumption and gratification, or in this case,
the hedonistic treadmill of dionysian nihilism (the only 'sense' or
suturing deriving from the editing/cuts in rhythm to the soundtrack,
with sequences of cuts 'themed' by the repetition of similar dramatic
moments from each film).

Yes, that's exactly what it is. A post modern pastiche in which a
bunch of Kubrick moments are taken out of context, strung together and
presented as a bravura showreel.
But what's the difference between this and what Jan Harlan does at the
beginning of his documentary? Harlan takes Kubrick's filmography,
selects several striking images, and hits us with a loud montage. This
is Kubrick, Harlan says. Powerful images, memorable compositions and
neat music. Harlan then proceeds to reduce Kubrick's art to a series
of soundbites.
The fact is, any homage to Kubrick, no matter how well intentioned,
reduces his work. In the Bible, God orders his followers to never
construct images of him. To do so would reduce his glory and
magnificance. After all, how can a mere replica ever hope to convey
the greatness of God?
You're arguing likewise. To reproduce Kubrick, dilutes the meaning of
Kubrick. It reduces Kubrick to a mere object. A false idol to look
upon. And I agree with you. But how do you distinguish between
celebrating a director and reducing his work?
90 percent of all Kubrick fans already love him for fairly superficial
reasons. They love him for his style, his imagery and his "accessible
artyness". They celebrate Kubrick through montages like this, which,
essentially ammount to nothing more than bombastic, masturbatory
images.
To the 10 percent or so who really delve deeper into Kubrick, we
celebrate him through conversations like these. Through articles,
contemplation, books and countless essays. Like the scholars who
transcribed the Bible, we approach Kubrick through the mind and the
written word.
But the masses need their Kubrick iconography, their silly fan vids
and their montages. They've never read Kubrick. Most don't care to.
The best case scenerio is that vids like these seduce young viewers,
and hopefully, through time, lead them to something more meaingful.
What you're really rallying against is a Clockwork future in which art
has lost the power to kill. In which all art has been reproduced,
chopped up and spat back out to the point that it loses all value.
This is already happening. It will get worse.
The only way to fight it is to impose sanctions on your own art. Thou
shalt not reproduce this, least you feel the wrath of copyright
infringement.

Oyyyy, what's Life but a series of "bombastic, masturbatory
images"? Up with their dresses, down with their Mietzses (on DVD, bog
bless), simply having a wunderbar "Tommy My Tommy" time. Und kinder,
stifle thy chuckling derision for Our Stan loved the little couch
jumper, he really did. Valkrye Mapotherplatz for Saturnalia!

[kelpzoidzl]

Post by Boaz

Post by kelpzoidzl
I didn't attack you for the Book reports untill you started flaming.

Oh, bullshit, Kelpsy. Everyone knows you drew first blood.

Post by kelpzoidzl
In fact I complemented quite a few things you wrote.

Show me.

You really are the Princess and the Pea.

Not only did I complemtn many of your posts and not draw first blood
I tried repeatedly to reason with your flames.



dc

[Boaz]

Post by kelpzoidzl

Post by Boaz

Post by kelpzoidzl
I didn't attack you for the Book reports untill you started flaming.

Oh, bullshit, Kelpsy. Everyone knows you drew first blood.

Post by kelpzoidzl
In fact I complemented quite a few things you wrote.

Show me.

You really are the Princess and the Pea.
Not only did I complemtn many of your posts and  not draw first blood
I tried repeatedly to reason with your flames.
dc

You really did miss your calling as a worker for the McCain campaign.
You are so full of shit, twisting the facts around to suit your needs,
as if no one bothers to remember what you actually said to me in the
past.

By the way, are these people your friends? Relatives? I think even Joe
the Plumber would distance himself from these people:

And here's what the people who re-edit Kubrick's films on YouTube do
to pass the time:

Boaz
("All the best people.")

[ichorwhip]

Post by Boaz

Post by kelpzoidzl

Post by Boaz

Post by kelpzoidzl
I didn't attack you for the Book reports untill you started flaming.

Oh, bullshit, Kelpsy. Everyone knows you drew first blood.

Post by kelpzoidzl
In fact I complemented quite a few things you wrote.

Show me.

You really are the Princess and the Pea.
Not only did I complemtn many of your posts and  not draw first blood
I tried repeatedly to reason with your flames.
dc

You really did miss your calling as a worker for the McCain campaign.
You are so full of shit, twisting the facts around to suit your needs,
as if no one bothers to remember what you actually said to me in the
past.
By the way, are these people your friends? Relatives? I think even Joe
http://youtu.be/4Wroj0FLvzs
And here's what the people who re-edit Kubrick's films on YouTube do
http://youtu.be/o6vN4H6L458
Boaz
("All the best people.")- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

I really couldn't tell the difference between these videos; a lot of
assholes with sounds coming out of them! ;-)

[kelpzoidzl]

Post by ichorwhip
I really couldn't tell the difference between these videos; a lot of
assholes with sounds coming out of them!  ;-)- Hide quoted text -

of course not, you're too pre-occupied.

dc

[ichorwhip]

Post by kelpzoidzl

Post by ichorwhip
I really couldn't tell the difference between these videos; a lot of
assholes with sounds coming out of them!  ;-)- Hide quoted text -

of course not, you're too pre-occupied.
http://youtu.be/i__XhXf9rPI
dc

I thought you had grey hair you creepy douche!

[Harry Bailey]

Post by Boaz

Post by kelpzoidzl

Post by Boaz

Post by kelpzoidzl
I didn't attack you for the Book reports untill you started flaming.

Oh, bullshit, Kelpsy. Everyone knows you drew first blood.

Post by kelpzoidzl
In fact I complemented quite a few things you wrote.

Show me.

You really are the Princess and the Pea.
Not only did I complemtn many of your posts and  not draw first blood
I tried repeatedly to reason with your flames.
dc

You really did miss your calling as a worker for the McCain campaign.
You are so full of shit, twisting the facts around to suit your needs,
as if no one bothers to remember what you actually said to me in the
past.
By the way, are these people your friends? Relatives? I think even Joe
http://youtu.be/4Wroj0FLvzs
And here's what the people who re-edit Kubrick's films on YouTube do
http://youtu.be/o6vN4H6L458
Boaz
("All the best people.")-

Oh, I've been noticing all the GOP Obamarama billboards, buttons and
morphs, indicating the obscene underside of John "I'm really a pal of
Obama" McCain's campaign-promo tactics:

Loading Image...

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Other billboards include one describing Obama as the 'next Benedict
Arnold' (ie, in bed with foreign invaders),

http://video.aol.com/video-detail/anti-obama-billboard-gets-drivers-talking/2089192940/?icid=VIDLRVNWS08

and another reportedly offering a sum of money to whoever kills him:

http://mailman.lbo-talk.org/pipermail/lbo-talk/Week-of-Mon-20081013/017116.html

Other billboards just remind voters of 9/11 and let them draw their
own conclusions:

Loading Image...

This may be a sign that the reactionaries are getting desperate as the
economic meltdown pushes Obama to the top of the polls. But it is also
a sign that they're preparing their comeback tune: something along the
lines of 'liberal betrayal', and 'stabbed in the back'. The first sign
that the GOP are regaining strength in either legislative chamber will
probably produce calls for impeachment. Or deportation back to planet
Krypton.

[kelpzoidzl]

Post by Harry Bailey

Post by Boaz

Post by kelpzoidzl

Post by Boaz

Post by kelpzoidzl
I didn't attack you for the Book reports untill you started flaming.

Oh, bullshit, Kelpsy. Everyone knows you drew first blood.

Post by kelpzoidzl
In fact I complemented quite a few things you wrote.

Show me.

You really are the Princess and the Pea.
Not only did I complemtn many of your posts and  not draw first blood
I tried repeatedly to reason with your flames.
dc

You really did miss your calling as a worker for the McCain campaign.
You are so full of shit, twisting the facts around to suit your needs,
as if no one bothers to remember what you actually said to me in the
past.
By the way, are these people your friends? Relatives? I think even Joe
http://youtu.be/4Wroj0FLvzs
And here's what the people who re-edit Kubrick's films on YouTube do
http://youtu.be/o6vN4H6L458
Boaz
("All the best people.")-

Oh, I've been noticing all the GOP Obamarama billboards, buttons and
morphs, indicating the obscene underside of John "I'm really a pal of
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_JNlxgs6qm2M/SPcKAV1W3kI/AAAAAAAACMs/xD5rL2n...
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2201/2380554605_45ecda9052_o.jpg
http://joliesimons.files.wordpress.com/2008/06/racist_obama_button.jp...
Other billboards include one describing Obama as the 'next Benedict
Arnold' (ie, in bed with foreign invaders),
http://video.aol.com/video-detail/anti-obama-billboard-gets-drivers-t...
http://mailman.lbo-talk.org/pipermail/lbo-talk/Week-of-Mon-20081013/0...
Other billboards just remind voters of 9/11 and let them draw their
http://www.pajamadeen.com/images/anti-barack-obama-democrat-billboard...
This may be a sign that the reactionaries are getting desperate as the
economic meltdown pushes Obama to the top of the polls. But it is also
a sign that they're preparing their comeback tune: something along the
lines of 'liberal betrayal', and 'stabbed in the back'. The first sign
that the GOP are regaining strength in either legislative chamber will
probably produce calls for impeachment. Or deportation back to planet
Krypton.- Hide quoted text -

Why don;t you go outdorrs and interract with your own country and stop
obsessing on the USInternet. I'm sure there are alot of things you
could do as a service, were you not trying to impress and rule the
world from your computer chair.

Here's a tip. Watch the Film "Mongol" that should give you some
mileage.

dc

[ichorwhip]

LOL
Boaz and Ichor and Padraig  Why don't you enter the 21st century and
do a BLOG and VLOGs> I's think you'd be happier.

Well "I's" thinks I liked it better when you would just get frustrated
and plonk everybody...

All you guys ever post is constant flames.  Now if you had a Blog
you'd be able to put photos and images and even video on them and at
the same time control who is allowed to comment on them.

Where's the fun in that? IF it weren't for idiots like you and your
brother the fake, there wouldn't be many flame wars here such as you
see.

Or is that you you prefer to spend all your time here flaming those
you consider beneath your brilliance.

Playing the victim now, part of your endless hypocritical cycle...
boohoo!

Maybe it's just that you really have nothing to say except flames.

Like you would notice...

I don't read the walls of insane text that just flame and flame.  It's
pathetic.  There's no reasoning with you guys you are just nasty lame
brains.

I'm gonna take a stretch here and say , "No! You!"

Do yourselves  favor and do a blog.  That way you won't have to argue
with lesser beings then you and you will have full comtrol.

I'll do YOU no such favors.

WHUMP! "Now you got the edge on him."
i
"piop"

[kelpzoidzl]

Post by ichorwhip

LOL
Boaz and Ichor and Padraig  Why don't you enter the 21st century and
do a BLOG and VLOGs> I's think you'd be happier.

Well "I's" thinks I liked it better when you would just get frustrated
and plonk everybody...

All you guys ever post is constant flames.  Now if you had a Blog
you'd be able to put photos and images and even video on them and at
the same time control who is allowed to comment on them.

Where's the fun in that?  IF it weren't for idiots like you and your
brother the fake, there wouldn't be many flame wars here such as you
see.

Or is that you you prefer to spend all your time here flaming those
you consider beneath your brilliance.

Playing the victim now, part of your endless hypocritical cycle...
boohoo!

Maybe it's just that you really have nothing to say except flames.

Like you would notice...

I don't read the walls of insane text that just flame and flame.  It's
pathetic.  There's no reasoning with you guys you are just nasty lame
brains.

I'm gonna take a stretch here and say , "No! You!"

Do yourselves  favor and do a blog.  That way you won't have to argue
with lesser beings then you and you will have full comtrol.

I'll do YOU no such favors.
WHUMP!  "Now you got the edge on him."
i
"piop"

I guess my point is amply proven.

Loading Image...



dc

[Boaz]

Post by kelpzoidzl
I guess my point is amply proven.
http://img396.imageshack.us/img396/6916/walktheearthfr5.jpg

Oh, don't you know, Kelpsy, Hell ain't HALF full yet! ;-)

[kelpzoidzl]

Post by kelpzoidzl
I guess my point is amply proven.
http://img396.imageshack.us/img396/6916/walktheearthfr5.jpg

Oh, don't you know, Kelpsy, Hell ain't HALF full yet!  ;-)

Sure it is.

How's the weather ?


dc

[Boaz]

Post by kelpzoidzl

Post by kelpzoidzl
I guess my point is amply proven.
http://img396.imageshack.us/img396/6916/walktheearthfr5.jpg

Oh, don't you know, Kelpsy, Hell ain't HALF full yet!  ;-)

Sure it is.

Oh, that's right. You are in Circle Five. That's a pretty heavily
populated area right now.

Post by kelpzoidzl
How's the weather ?

Why ask me? You ought to know yourself. By the way, need a refill on
your ice water?

Boaz
("I've suffered the tortures of the damned, sir... tortures of the
damned.")

[Harry Bailey]

Post by Boaz
On Oct 12, 11:41 am, "Ken F. Vermithrall"

Post by kelpzoidzl
here are some re-edits I've seen

There are also several of my favorite: 2001.  My own remix of it is a
little different than all the others I've seen, in that I remixed single
frames and small segments of audio.
http://youtu.be/g24nAw5X1pA
After the flame-war on this thread I'm afraid to ask what people think
of it.  But modern technology didn't exactly make that one "easy", more
like "possible", to do in one's free time.

Too bad that in your "free time" you can't do something more original
than to take a pivotal scene from a great film and reduce it to a
cheap gay joke.
Perhaps if you were to read some of the comments on this thread more
carefully (beyond the personal attacks that have flooded it) you would
see that the major criticism is aimed at the lack of originality in
these videos.

I suppose it's about as 'original' as 'creative shopping': going, for
instance, to a store to have film images jumble-printed on a T-Shirt
captioned with some Forrest Gump oironic slogans. Aren't I clever and
oughtistic and original and deep and special and unique and humanistic
and important! Next stop: Pop Idol!

Post by Boaz
If "2001" is your "favorite" film, why do this? It is like painting a
moustache on the Mona Lisa, like putting a fig leaf on Adam in the
Sistine Chapel ceiling painting; like putting a disco or rap beat to
Beethoven's 9th Symphony.

And all those 'alterations' have already been done too - many, many
years ago.

Duchamp - as part of his wider Dadaist project critiquing the
bourgeoise gallery system - did indeed paint a moustache on the Mona
Lisa. Duchamp's "L. H .O. O. Q," from 1919:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/index.html?curid=3719796

Duchamp's addition of the rude inscription LHOOQ, when read out loud
in French sounds like "Elle a chaud au cul" (translating to "she has a
hot arse" as a manner of implying the woman in the painting is in a
state of sexual excitement and availability). This was intended as a
Freudian joke, referring to Leonardo's alleged homosexuality.
According to Rhonda R. Shearer, the apparent reproduction is in fact a
copy partly modelled on Duchamp's own face. And later, Salvador Dalí,
famous for his pioneering surrealist work, painted Self portrait as
Mona Lisa in 1954.

And various Vatican ecclesiastics in the past did indeed cover up the
naughty bits in the Sistine Chapel with assorted fig-leaf impressions:
shortly before Michelangelo's death the nude figures were censored,
their sexes draped in cloth by an extra layer of paint. Or maybe it
was just the first occurance of a 'continuity error' ....

Finally, in the early 1970s, soft-rock retro band Electric Light
Orchestra (ELO) screwed up Beethovan's 5th by demanding that he 'roll
over' to their adolescent guitar wankfests.

[Boaz]

Post by Harry Bailey

Post by Boaz
On Oct 12, 11:41 am, "Ken F. Vermithrall"

Post by kelpzoidzl
here are some re-edits I've seen

There are also several of my favorite: 2001.  My own remix of it is a
little different than all the others I've seen, in that I remixed single
frames and small segments of audio.
http://youtu.be/g24nAw5X1pA
After the flame-war on this thread I'm afraid to ask what people think
of it.  But modern technology didn't exactly make that one "easy", more
like "possible", to do in one's free time.

Too bad that in your "free time" you can't do something more original
than to take a pivotal scene from a great film and reduce it to a
cheap gay joke.
Perhaps if you were to read some of the comments on this thread more
carefully (beyond the personal attacks that have flooded it) you would
see that the major criticism is aimed at the lack of originality in
these videos.

I suppose it's about as 'original' as 'creative shopping': going, for
instance, to a store to have film images jumble-printed on a T-Shirt
captioned with some Forrest Gump oironic slogans. Aren't I clever and
oughtistic and original and deep and special and unique and humanistic
and important! Next stop: Pop Idol!

What I always find hilarious are the people who will spend a fortune
for a t-shirt with their favorite baseball, football or basketball
team on it. They've just paid good money to wear a billboard that
advertises the team. If one is going to do that, shouldn't that person
be PAID to do it, instead of paying the team (since that's where most
of the money eventually goes to for licensing purposes)?

Post by Harry Bailey

Post by Boaz
If "2001" is your "favorite" film, why do this? It is like painting a
moustache on the Mona Lisa, like putting a fig leaf on Adam in the
Sistine Chapel ceiling painting; like putting a disco or rap beat to
Beethoven's 9th Symphony.

And all those 'alterations' have already been done too - many, many
years ago.
Duchamp - as part of his wider Dadaist project critiquing the
bourgeoise gallery system - did indeed paint a moustache on the Mona
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/index.html?curid=3719796

Personally, I liked the MAD Magazine version better. One had Alfred E.
Neuman as the Mona lisa, and another was by the late, great Don
Martin, an original if there ever was one. At least we could see the
tongue planted firmly in cheek with both.

Post by Harry Bailey
Duchamp's addition of the rude inscription LHOOQ, when read out loud
in French sounds like "Elle a chaud au cul" (translating to "she has a
hot arse" as a manner of implying the woman in the painting is in a
state of sexual excitement and availability). This was intended as a
Freudian joke, referring to Leonardo's alleged homosexuality.

Uh-huh -- wink, wink, nudge, nudge. Those Dadaists were such
mischievous folks. I guess it was a good way to pass the time while
millions of Eurpoeans died of a flu epidemic.

Post by Harry Bailey
According to Rhonda R. Shearer, the apparent reproduction is in fact a
copy partly modelled on Duchamp's own face. And later, Salvador Dalí,
famous for his pioneering surrealist work, painted Self portrait as
Mona Lisa in 1954.

I don't fault Dali, at least he distinguished himself with other
works. There is even a photograph of Susan Strasberg (daughter of Lee
Strasberg, and a fine actress in her own right) posing as Mona Lisa,
winking at the camera for LIFE Magazine long ago.

Post by Harry Bailey
And various Vatican ecclesiastics in the past did indeed cover up the
shortly before Michelangelo's death the nude figures were censored,
their sexes draped in cloth by an extra layer of paint. Or maybe it
was just the first occurance of a 'continuity error' ....

Or as a joke to point out that Michealangelo was also gay. Or maybe it
was some of John Ashcroft's ancestors.

Post by Harry Bailey
Finally, in the early 1970s, soft-rock retro band Electric Light
Orchestra (ELO) screwed up Beethovan's 5th by demanding that he 'roll
over' to their adolescent guitar wankfests.

I remember that one. They incorporated the 5th (instead of taking the
5th), whereas Chuck Berry didn't have to do that, nor did George
Harrison when The Beatles did their version. The Chuck Berry version
still kicks ass over all the other versions.

But it least isn't as offensive as listening to "Hooked on Classics,"
which should be considered a violation of the Geneva Conventions with
its stomach-churning use of classical music with a disco beat. What's
next, setting T.S. Eliot's "The Love Song of J. Alfred Prufrock" to
rap? ("In the room the women come and go/Talking of Michaelangelo...")

Boaz
("So you've heard Beethoven before?")

[ichorwhip]

Post by Harry Bailey

Post by Boaz
On Oct 12, 11:41 am, "Ken F. Vermithrall"

Post by kelpzoidzl
here are some re-edits I've seen

There are also several of my favorite: 2001.  My own remix of it is a
little different than all the others I've seen, in that I remixed single
frames and small segments of audio.
http://youtu.be/g24nAw5X1pA
After the flame-war on this thread I'm afraid to ask what people think
of it.  But modern technology didn't exactly make that one "easy", more
like "possible", to do in one's free time.

Too bad that in your "free time" you can't do something more original
than to take a pivotal scene from a great film and reduce it to a
cheap gay joke.
Perhaps if you were to read some of the comments on this thread more
carefully (beyond the personal attacks that have flooded it) you would
see that the major criticism is aimed at the lack of originality in
these videos.

I suppose it's about as 'original' as 'creative shopping': going, for
instance, to a store to have film images jumble-printed on a T-Shirt
captioned with some Forrest Gump oironic slogans. Aren't I clever and
oughtistic and original and deep and special and unique and humanistic
and important! Next stop: Pop Idol!

Post by Boaz
If "2001" is your "favorite" film, why do this? It is like painting a
moustache on the Mona Lisa, like putting a fig leaf on Adam in the
Sistine Chapel ceiling painting; like putting a disco or rap beat to
Beethoven's 9th Symphony.

And all those 'alterations' have already been done too - many, many
years ago.
Duchamp - as part of his wider Dadaist project critiquing the
bourgeoise gallery system - did indeed paint a moustache on the Mona
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/index.html?curid=3719796
Duchamp's addition of the rude inscription LHOOQ, when read out loud
in French sounds like "Elle a chaud au cul" (translating to "she has a
hot arse" as a manner of implying the woman in the painting is in a
state of sexual excitement and availability). This was intended as a
Freudian joke, referring to Leonardo's alleged homosexuality.
According to Rhonda R. Shearer, the apparent reproduction is in fact a
copy partly modelled on Duchamp's own face. And later, Salvador Dalí,
famous for his pioneering surrealist work, painted Self portrait as
Mona Lisa in 1954.
And various Vatican ecclesiastics in the past did indeed cover up the
shortly before Michelangelo's death the nude figures were censored,
their sexes draped in cloth by an extra layer of paint. Or maybe it
was just the first occurance of a 'continuity error' ....
Finally, in the early 1970s, soft-rock retro band Electric Light
Orchestra (ELO) screwed up Beethovan's 5th by demanding that he 'roll
over' to their adolescent guitar wankfests.

Roll over Chuck Berry and The Beatles they're rockin' in two by two!

Anyway I thought Boaz was referring to that rotten disco/pop track "A
Fifth of Beethoven" by Walter Murphy (1976 "Trombones in the Big
Parade!) I'd much prefer a fifth of Jack Daniels meself!

"They were followed by rows and rows of the finest virtuosos,
the cream of every famous band."
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"piop"

[Ken F. Vermithrall]

Post by Boaz
Perhaps if you were to read some of the comments on this thread more
carefully (beyond the personal attacks that have flooded it) you would
see that the major criticism is aimed at the lack of originality in
these videos.

I can't say I read the thread "carefully", but I did get that. It's my
hope that not everyone agrees with your assessment that my spoof lacks
originality.

Post by Boaz
I wonder if you even understood the subtext of the original scene.

Actually, I pieced it together from just about every scene set on
Discovery, especially the audio, but I assume you mean the scene that
most of the video came from, with Dave, Frank, and HAL discussing the
second transmission from Mission Control questioning HAL's prediction.

The subtext of that was scene fairly obvious: HAL won't admit he could
be wrong, and the men are afraid to confront him directly. They
manufacture an excuse to talk behind HAL's back. Presumably it's out of
a vague sense of social awkwardness, since it doesn't occur to either of
them at the time (not until the last scene before intermission) that
they're "not sure how he'd feel" about being disconnected, since no 9000
computer has ever been disconnected before.

There's an interesting all-or-nothing assumption there that may reflect
1968 attitudes toward computers: either a 9000 computer is 100%
reliable, or it's out of control and has to be disconnected. I've now
lived through the real year 2001, and I don't recall ever hearing anyone
say "I heard there was a known bug in Microsoft Word, so I stopped using
it and went back to typing things up on a typewriter."

Is that the subtext you meant?

Post by Boaz
Is that all there is? What's your point?

It could be argued that entertainment is reason enough, but it does have
a few other points that could be argued to almost be artistic merit. I
don't expect to convince you, but here goes:

* Experimenting with what can be done in a new medium. I did the audio
in 1997-98, starting in February 1997. HAL became operational on
January 12, 1997 according to the book (1992 in the movie), so it's
interesting to see what can be done with a real 1997 computer compared
to the science fictional one who was humanlike but could only display
wireframe graphics. I wonder if it occurred to Clarke and Kubrick that
it might be possible for HAL to edit the message from Mission Control
that reported that HAL was in error.

* One of the interesting things about the movie, looking back at it from
the perspective of the decade in which it was set, is that it predicted
a lot of technological change (in directions different from what
happened, but that's my previous point) but no social change, from what
little we glimpsed. Consider race and gender: the astronauts were all
white males, just like Apollo, as were the pilots of the Earth-moon
vehicles, while the commercial spacecraft had female stewardesses. (And
as I write this in the real year 2008, the U.S. is about to decide
between a black President or a female Vice President.) The movie didn't
touch on sexuality at all, but the assumption would have been that only
heterosexual men would have been chosen. I think there was a version of
the story, published in The Lost Worlds of 2001, that explicitly says
that they chose only single men without serious girlfriends for the long
voyage, and one astronaut jokes that the only other screening was that
he has no history of "cannibalistic or homosexual tendencies or
postnasal drip". So I'm making the point that social attitudes shifted
between 1968 and 2001 or 2008. Things that were unthinkable then are
now merely controversial or even old-hat.

* In the movie, they've entered another age where men embark on voyages
that isolate them for months, even years. Some interpret the first few
scenes aboard Discovery (including the tanning scene, from which I made
the incriminating picture) as showing the loneliness of the voyage. It
was expected in 1968 that by choosing an all-male crew and screening out
"deviants", they could avoid any possibility of sexual tension. (That
same assumption might be behind the controversy over homosexuality in
the U.S. military.) All experience shows otherwise: it seems to be
natural for isolated heterosexual men to have sex anyway ("situational
homosexuality"). As I have HAL say about it, "This sort of thing has
cropped up before."

* Frank's response to that in my spoof is a line that I think 99% of
people who view it will hear as indicating a romantic bond to Dave.
This shows something very interesting about how people understand
speech, and what it would take to design HAL to understand speech. You
see, unlike a couple of other audio clips that I altered, I didn't touch
that line at all. Frank made exactly those same vocal sounds in the
movie, and 99% of the people watching the movie would unhesitatingly
transcribe that as something other than "I love Dave". We don't
understand how our own mental abilities work, so how could we ever
create HAL?

* One more thing. I don't know if anyone will notice from the spoof,
but in making the video portion I realized that it's true what they say:
Kubrick, in directing or editing the film, deliberately made Frank and
Dave as expressionless as possible, whether to make HAL seem more human
or for whatever reason. I really had to dig to find a few frames where
the men are sort of smiling. Dave attempts a disarming
we-believe-you-and-are-not-conspiring-against-you smile, while Frank's
is an
I-know-it's-ridiculous-to-consider-the-possibility-of-computer-error
smile. I was commenting on the often-remarked coldness of the
characters in the original movie when I moved Dave's line "Well, he acts
like he has genuine emotion" to refer to Frank instead of to HAL, and
tried to make it come across a joke between the men.

Post by Boaz
If "2001" is your "favorite" film, why do this?

An interesting question in general about take-offs. I don't care to get
into it right now, but if you were under the impression that people only
spoof the works that they dislike, you'll find there are a lot of
counter-examples.

Post by Boaz
Maybe when you can show us something that distinguishes Ken F.
Vermithrall (if that *is* your real name)

At the risk of starting a thread arguing about whether anything
worthwhile has ever been written under a pseudonym, I have to admit it
is not.

[kelpzoidzl]

On Oct 12, 11:41 am, "Ken F. Vermithrall"

Post by kelpzoidzl
here are some re-edits I've seen

There are also several of my favorite: 2001.  My own remix of it is a
little different than all the others I've seen, in that I remixed single
frames and small segments of audio.
http://youtu.be/g24nAw5X1pA
After the flame-war on this thread I'm afraid to ask what people think
of it.  But modern technology didn't exactly make that one "easy", more
like "possible", to do in one's free time.

I think it's funny. Silly can be good.. Good quality image.

How dare you paint a moustache on the Mona Lisa...:)

ALERT ALERT Social Disorientation!


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