Post by Gordon 101Post by PhildoGun Death - International Comparisons
Homicide Suicide Unintentional
USA 4.08 (1999) 6.08 (1999) 0.42 (1999)
Canada 0.54 (1999) 2.65 (1997) 0.15 (1997)
Switzerland 0.50 (1999) 5.78 (1998) -
Scotland 0.12 (1999) 0.27 (1999) -
England/Wales 0.12 (1999/00) 0.22 (1999) 0.01 (1999)
Japan 0.04* (1998) 0.04 (1995) <0.01(1997)
* Homicide & attempted homicide by handgun
Data collected by Philip Alpers, Harvard Injury Control Research Center, and
HELP Network
Additional data can be found in Table A.10 of the World report on violence
and health, published by the World Health Organization on 3rd October 2002.
Hi Phildo
Gun related crimes have dropped 50% in the last decade here in Canada.
This coincides with new more strict gun registry laws.
Embarrassingly, Canada leads the world at the rate it incarcerates it's
young people yet juvenile crime continues to climb. Still some would
encourage us to increase punishment?
The U.S. has the highest percentage of it's population behind bars and
crime rates soar!
Phildo, your dealing with a symptom of a much deeper problem. The
extremist right wing evangelistic baptist movement that spearheads the
gun lobby threatens to drive the planet back to the Dark Ages.
They actually believe that it is their destiny to start Armageddon and
let the rapture begin.
The first time I heard the term "moral majority" I laughed, I'm not
laughing anymore. :-(
The lunatics really do run the asylum.
Gordo
I am starting to re-think this whole 'God' concept as there is pretty
good evidence that George Bush is 'The Antichrist'.
OK, hoser -
First, we debunk your bullshit:
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From: Thomas Zinck (***@wftzh07f.ca.nortel.com)
Subject: Violent Crime US vs Canada
Newsgroups: can.talk.guns
Date: 1999/04/09
10. What about violent crime rates?
In 1962, the US per capita violent crime rate was about 185
(violent crimes per 100,000 persons) and Canada's was around
250. The US rate has been lower than Canada's ever since,
and as can been seen below, the gap is widening. Note that
even though the violent crime rate indicies include homicides,
the US rates are still lower.
Year US Canada
1962 ~185 ~250
1967 ~250 ~390
1972 401 507
1973 417 534
1974 461 564
1975 488 597
1976 468 596
1977 476 583
1978 498 591
1979 549 621
1980 597 648
1981 594 666
1982 571 686
1983 538 686
1984 539 715
1985 557 751
1986 618 808
1987 610 856
1988 637 898
1989 663 947
1990 732 1013
1991 758 1099
1994 716 1037
1995 685 995
More info can be found at:
http://www.statcan.ca/Documents/English/Pgdb/State/justic.htm
http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/
The violent crime rate is calculated by adding up the number of
homicides, attempted murders, assaults, sexual assaults, other
sexual offences, abductions, and robberies, and dividing by the
mean population (times 100,000). The definitions for the US
offences are a bit different (e.g. they have "rape" whereas
Canada has "aggravated sexual assault") which is one reason
some people note that violent crime rates in different countries
should not be directly compared. (Other differences include
criminal law, legal systems, and the way data are collected and
calculated.)
However, it's easy to see that Canada's violent crime rate has
been increasing rapidly -- in spite of increasingly strict gun
laws -- and it has increased faster than the US rate. While
the Canadian rate has been decreasing since 1991, the same is
true of the US rate. (Besides, a 4% decrease hardly compensates
for a 400+% increase!)
Example:
- Canada's "tough gun laws" came info effect on Jan 1, 1978.
- Increase in Canada's violent crime rate 1977 to 1991: 89%
- Increase in USA's violent crime rate 1977 to 1991: 58%
Also, note that Canada's violent crime rate was dropping 1975
to 1977, and started climbing sharply after Bill C-51 was
passed in 1978. "Gun control" doesn't seem to have decreased
violent crime. In addition, Canadian break and enter rates were
greater than US rates in 1983 and the difference has only
increased since.
US and Canadian residential burglary rates were very similar
until 1991 when Canadian rates surpassed the US rates. In
1992, the Canadian residential burglary rate was 896 (per
100,000 persons) and the US rate was 774.
"...our 1992 residential/commercial burglary and property
crime rates were 33% and 25% higher, respectively, than our
southern neighbours, and have remained consistently higher
than the US for over ten years." ([68]Observations on a One
Way Street, 1994, p. 71)
Since 1982, the residential and commercial burglary rate in
the US has been lower than Canada's. It's also interesting
to note that since 1982, Canada's rates have been lower than
in England/Wales. [StatCan, the FBI UCRs, the US DoJ crime
surveys, and the UK Home Office]
The rate of violent crime in Canada increased 60% between
1982 and 1991, twice as high as all other Criminal Code
offenses combined[2]. Canadian women are as likely as as
men to be victims of crime; however, weapons were used
against 31% of men compared to 19% of women [3]. The majority
of women are victimized in their own home by individuals they
know (particularly husbands or ex-husbands), while men are
victimized by strangers[4]. The common weapons are "other"
weapons (such as motor vehicles, fire, poison, hot water),
followed by sharp instruments[5]. Gun control legislation
(Bill C-51) was introduced in 1978 in an attempt to reduce
violent crime. Current research indicates that C-51 had
virtually no perceptible impact on violent crime, suicide,
or accidental deaths[6]. The American states bordering
Canada have homicide rates similar to ours despite easier
legal access to firearms and liberal handgun laws[7].
There is no evidence to support the hypothesis that the
types and availability are directly related to increasing
rates of either violent crime or the criminal misuse of
firearms. In the absence of firearms, criminals switch to
other weapons or other sources of weapons. No gun law in
any city, state, or nation, has ever reduced violent crime
or slowed its rate or growth compared to similar jurisdictions
without such laws[8].
[2] Juristat Service Bulletin Vol. 12 No 21, "Gender Differences
Among Violent Crime Victims", (Statistics Canada, Circulation
Centre for Justice Statistics, Nov. 1992) p.4
[3] Ibid, p.5, p.9
[4] Ibid, pp.8-9
[5] Ibid.
[6] Robert J. Mundt, "Gun Control and Rates of Firearms
Violence in Canada and the United States", Canadian Journal of
Criminology, Vol. 32 No. 1 (Jan 1990), pp 137-154; and Paul
Blackman, "The Canadian Gun Law, Bill C-51: Its Effectiveness
and Lessons for Research on the Gun Control Issue", American
Society of Criminology, (Nov. 1984)
[7] Gary Kleck and Brett Patterson, "The Impact of Gun Control
and Gun Ownership on City Violence", (1989)
[8] David B. Kopel, op. cit., examined the effectiveness of the
firearms control policies of Japan, Canada, Britain,
Switzerland, Jamaica, Austraila, New Zealand, and the United
States, from a historical and sociological perspective.
Additional source references are: Gary Kleck and Brett
Patterson, op. cit; Joseph P. Magadin and Marshal Medoff, "An
Empirical Analysis of Federal and State Firearms Control Laws",
(1984); Douglas R. Murray, "Handguns, Gun Control Laws and
Firearms Violence", Social Problems, Vol. 23 (1975), Matthew R.
Dezee, "Gun Control Legislation: Impact and Ideology", Law and
Policy Quarterly Vol. 5 (1983), p.367; J. Killias, "Gun
Ownership and Violent Crime", Security Journal, Vol.1 No.3
(1990), p.171; Peter H. Rossi and James D. Wright, "Weapons,
Crimes, and Violence in America: Executive Summary", (US
Department of Justice, National Institute of Justice, 1981);
Solicitor General of Canada, "Firearms Control in Canada: An
Evaluation", (Ministry of Supply and Services Canada, 1983);
Don B. Kates Jr., "Restricting Handguns: The Liberal Skeptics
Speak Out", (North River Press, 1979); and B. Bruce-Briggs,
"The Great American Gun War", The Public Interest, No. 45
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Next, a little reading material, just for fun:
http://www.negativepositive.org/fuck-canada.html
Plenty more where this came from, hoser. Next time you
feel like pissing on Uncle Sam, you let me know, OK?
Lord Valve
American (and fuck you if you don't like it)