Ed Cage
2003-11-10 21:20:53 UTC
I'm not sure who decided that it was a good idea to drop the
terms "long brown paper bag" and change it to "Pesky bag" but
they certainly had a sense of humor. I was trying to figure
out who cooked up that misleading moniker when I stumbled
across an excellent rebuttal by Dot John.. It is attached
below.. (I only steal from the best..)
Any/every prosecutor worth their salt would make the
Long brown paper bag a CENTERPIECE of their case! It is
almost impossible to talk your way out of and it's backed with:
a) PRINTS from Oswald on the bag
b) FIBERS from garage blanket.
c) Matching paper from TSBD
d) Matching jagged cut edge from TSBD cutter.
e) Not one, but TWO Sworn eyewitnesses! (one is a personal
Friend & supporter of Oswald btw!.. (Buell Frazier)
f) No witnesses to swear Oswald had nothing when he came in
11-22-63 morning..
g) Marina says Oswald had rifle in garage in blanket..
h) When they pick up blanket, Oswald's rifle is GONE.
i) Oswald tells DPD he had no "long bwn paper bag" (Brilliant)
Now DPD is supposed to believe both Frazier & Randall gave
them bogus information..
j) Frazier testifies Oswald told him the bag contained
"curtain rods" in the long bwn bag. NONE were ever found! WHY?
k) The rifle however, was found.
l) The long (not-so-pesky to prosecutors) bwn bag was also
found! It had both blanket fibers and Oswald's prints to boot!
Planted?
No wonder arguably the best criminal Prosecutor in America Vincent
Bugliosi, used the LONG BWN (Not-so-pesky) bag as a central piece
of his case.. Which he won btw..
I am absolutely astonished that anyone would imply that the
Long bwn paper bag somehow "helps" Oswald!! Somewhere between
astonishing and comical is the best way I can address that
particular line of sophomoric "reasoning"... I'm not sure who
decided that it was a good idea to drop the terms "long brown
paper bag" and change it to "Pesky bag" but they certainly had a
sense of humor. I was trying to figure out who cooked up that
misleading moniker when I stumbled across an excellent rebuttal
by Dot John.. It is attached below.. (I only steal from the best..)
Any/every prosecutor worth their salt would make the
long brown paper bag a CENTERPIECE of their case! It is
almost impossible to talk your way out of and it's backed with:
a) PRINTS from Oswald on the bag
b) FIBERS from garage blanket.
c) Matching paper from TSBD
d) Matching jagged cut edge from TSBD cutter.
e) Not one, but TWO Sworn eyewitnesses! (one is a personal*
Friend & supporter of Oswald btw!.. (Buell Frazier)
f) No witnesses to swear Oswald had nothing when he came in
11-22-63 morning..
g) Marina says Oswald had rifle in garage in blanket..
h) When they pick up blanket, Oswald's rifle is GONE.
i) Oswald tells DPD he had no "long bwn paper bag" (Brilliant)
Now DPD is supposed to believe both Frazier & Randall gave
them bogus information..
j) Frazier testifies Oswald told him there were "curtain rods"
in the long bwn bag. NONE were ever found! Why?
k) The rifle however, was found.
l) The long (not-so-pesky to prosecutors) bwn bag was also
found! It had both blanket fibers and Oswald's prints to boot!
Planted?
No wonder arguably the best criminal Prosecutor in America,
Vincent Bugliosi, used the LONG BWN (Not-so-pesky) bag as a
CENTRAL piece of his presentation! .. Which he won btw..
I am absolutely astonished that anyone would imply that the
long bwn paper bag somehow "helps" Oswald!! Somewhere between
"astonishing" and "comical" is the best way I can address that
particular line of "reasoning"...
Constantly amazed, mR ;~D
* The only "rebuttal" appears to be that the 2 witnesses got
the length 100% correct thereby proving the rifle "couldn't"
have been in the pesky bag!! (Let's go w "comical"..)
terms "long brown paper bag" and change it to "Pesky bag" but
they certainly had a sense of humor. I was trying to figure
out who cooked up that misleading moniker when I stumbled
across an excellent rebuttal by Dot John.. It is attached
below.. (I only steal from the best..)
Any/every prosecutor worth their salt would make the
Long brown paper bag a CENTERPIECE of their case! It is
almost impossible to talk your way out of and it's backed with:
a) PRINTS from Oswald on the bag
b) FIBERS from garage blanket.
c) Matching paper from TSBD
d) Matching jagged cut edge from TSBD cutter.
e) Not one, but TWO Sworn eyewitnesses! (one is a personal
Friend & supporter of Oswald btw!.. (Buell Frazier)
f) No witnesses to swear Oswald had nothing when he came in
11-22-63 morning..
g) Marina says Oswald had rifle in garage in blanket..
h) When they pick up blanket, Oswald's rifle is GONE.
i) Oswald tells DPD he had no "long bwn paper bag" (Brilliant)
Now DPD is supposed to believe both Frazier & Randall gave
them bogus information..
j) Frazier testifies Oswald told him the bag contained
"curtain rods" in the long bwn bag. NONE were ever found! WHY?
k) The rifle however, was found.
l) The long (not-so-pesky to prosecutors) bwn bag was also
found! It had both blanket fibers and Oswald's prints to boot!
Planted?
No wonder arguably the best criminal Prosecutor in America Vincent
Bugliosi, used the LONG BWN (Not-so-pesky) bag as a central piece
of his case.. Which he won btw..
I am absolutely astonished that anyone would imply that the
Long bwn paper bag somehow "helps" Oswald!! Somewhere between
astonishing and comical is the best way I can address that
particular line of sophomoric "reasoning"... I'm not sure who
decided that it was a good idea to drop the terms "long brown
paper bag" and change it to "Pesky bag" but they certainly had a
sense of humor. I was trying to figure out who cooked up that
misleading moniker when I stumbled across an excellent rebuttal
by Dot John.. It is attached below.. (I only steal from the best..)
Any/every prosecutor worth their salt would make the
long brown paper bag a CENTERPIECE of their case! It is
almost impossible to talk your way out of and it's backed with:
a) PRINTS from Oswald on the bag
b) FIBERS from garage blanket.
c) Matching paper from TSBD
d) Matching jagged cut edge from TSBD cutter.
e) Not one, but TWO Sworn eyewitnesses! (one is a personal*
Friend & supporter of Oswald btw!.. (Buell Frazier)
f) No witnesses to swear Oswald had nothing when he came in
11-22-63 morning..
g) Marina says Oswald had rifle in garage in blanket..
h) When they pick up blanket, Oswald's rifle is GONE.
i) Oswald tells DPD he had no "long bwn paper bag" (Brilliant)
Now DPD is supposed to believe both Frazier & Randall gave
them bogus information..
j) Frazier testifies Oswald told him there were "curtain rods"
in the long bwn bag. NONE were ever found! Why?
k) The rifle however, was found.
l) The long (not-so-pesky to prosecutors) bwn bag was also
found! It had both blanket fibers and Oswald's prints to boot!
Planted?
No wonder arguably the best criminal Prosecutor in America,
Vincent Bugliosi, used the LONG BWN (Not-so-pesky) bag as a
CENTRAL piece of his presentation! .. Which he won btw..
I am absolutely astonished that anyone would imply that the
long bwn paper bag somehow "helps" Oswald!! Somewhere between
"astonishing" and "comical" is the best way I can address that
particular line of "reasoning"...
Constantly amazed, mR ;~D
* The only "rebuttal" appears to be that the 2 witnesses got
the length 100% correct thereby proving the rifle "couldn't"
have been in the pesky bag!! (Let's go w "comical"..)
I'm afraid you've let conspiracists lead you down a rabbit hole on
this issue. If you try *real* hard you can concoct some scenario that
doesn't have Oswald bringing the rifle into the Depository in that
bag, but you have to make all kinds of barely possible but highly
unlikely assumptions.
To even *begin* to take seriously the notion that Oswald didn't bring
the rifle into the Depository in the bag, one has to satisfactorily
Frazier and Randle testified that Oswald had a long package with him
that morning. If they were lying about the package to frame Oswald,
wouldn't they have stated the package was 38 inches long, the length
of the package found at the depository? If you are going to lie, why
not tell a lie that does the job properly?
If the police officers forged a paper bag to explain how Oswald
brought the rifle into the building unseen, wouldn't they have taken
the time to photograph it where they were going to claim it was
discovered on the sixth floor?
How could they have known so early in the investigation that no one
had seen Oswald with a rifle so that they would need something to
cover the rifle and properly frame Oswald?
How did they know to add fibers from a blanket?
How did they know in which blanket Oswald had kept the rifle or even
that he had kept the rifle in a blanket?
If they did plant the fibers, why not plant enough to make the
evidence conclusive?
More importantly, how would they have known that Randle and Frazier
were going to say they saw Oswald with a bag? They had not talked to
either one yet. They were both friends with Oswald, so what motivation
would they have to lie and frame him?
If Oswald did want curtain rods for his room, why did he have to go
home on a Thursday to get them when he could have easily have gotten
them over the weekend?
Where did he get the curtain rods?
Where did the curtain rods go?
Why did Oswald need curtain rods if there were curtain rods already
up?
How did Oswald's fingerprint and palmprint end up on the bag with an
impression of a rifle?
Where did the rifle in the Paine garage go, if it was not the
Mannlicher-Carcano found on the sixth floor of the Depository?
How did a rifle matching Oswald's appear in the Depository if it was
not brought there by him?
If he didn't take the rifle, why did Oswald, for the first time during
his entire marriage, leave his wedding ring at home (1H73)?
Then, probably the biggest one: why did Oswald lie to the cops about
even *having* a long bag?
.John
this issue. If you try *real* hard you can concoct some scenario that
doesn't have Oswald bringing the rifle into the Depository in that
bag, but you have to make all kinds of barely possible but highly
unlikely assumptions.
To even *begin* to take seriously the notion that Oswald didn't bring
the rifle into the Depository in the bag, one has to satisfactorily
Frazier and Randle testified that Oswald had a long package with him
that morning. If they were lying about the package to frame Oswald,
wouldn't they have stated the package was 38 inches long, the length
of the package found at the depository? If you are going to lie, why
not tell a lie that does the job properly?
If the police officers forged a paper bag to explain how Oswald
brought the rifle into the building unseen, wouldn't they have taken
the time to photograph it where they were going to claim it was
discovered on the sixth floor?
How could they have known so early in the investigation that no one
had seen Oswald with a rifle so that they would need something to
cover the rifle and properly frame Oswald?
How did they know to add fibers from a blanket?
How did they know in which blanket Oswald had kept the rifle or even
that he had kept the rifle in a blanket?
If they did plant the fibers, why not plant enough to make the
evidence conclusive?
More importantly, how would they have known that Randle and Frazier
were going to say they saw Oswald with a bag? They had not talked to
either one yet. They were both friends with Oswald, so what motivation
would they have to lie and frame him?
If Oswald did want curtain rods for his room, why did he have to go
home on a Thursday to get them when he could have easily have gotten
them over the weekend?
Where did he get the curtain rods?
Where did the curtain rods go?
Why did Oswald need curtain rods if there were curtain rods already
up?
How did Oswald's fingerprint and palmprint end up on the bag with an
impression of a rifle?
Where did the rifle in the Paine garage go, if it was not the
Mannlicher-Carcano found on the sixth floor of the Depository?
How did a rifle matching Oswald's appear in the Depository if it was
not brought there by him?
If he didn't take the rifle, why did Oswald, for the first time during
his entire marriage, leave his wedding ring at home (1H73)?
Then, probably the biggest one: why did Oswald lie to the cops about
even *having* a long bag?
.John