Post by GreywolfPost by aaaPost by GreywolfPost by aaaOn Tuesday, September 4, 2018 at 2:14:43 PM UTC-5, aaa
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Post by aaaOn Monday, September 3, 2018 at 12:30:14 PM
On 2018-09-03 01:34 AM,
Post by g***@gmail.comMartin Buber wrote, in his book "Tales of
"There is a famous story told in Chassidic
literature that addresses this very question.
The Master [teacher] teaches the student that
God created everything in the world to be
appreciated, since everything is here to
teach us a lesson.
One cleaver student asks: 'What lesson can
we learn from atheists? Why did God create
them?'
The Master responds: 'God created atheists
to teach us the most important lesson of them
all -- the lesson of true compassion. You
see, when an atheist performs an act of
charity, visits someone who is sick, helps
someone in need, and cares for the world, he
is not doing so because of some religious
teaching. He does not believe that God
commanded him to perform this act. In fact,
he does not believe in God at all, so his
acts are based on an inner sense of morality.
And look at the kindness he can bestow upon
others simply because he feels it to be
right.'
Where does this "inner sense of morality" come
from if not from God?
Uh, you're the crazy-ass dude who feels God
creating very Evil itself was a "Good" thing!
That it gave man "wisdom." That it has made man
"wise." Remember?
God creates evil by drawing a clear line between
the good and the evil.
That God deliberately created. He created Evil
because He IS evil.
That is not a response to what I said.
This is what you wrote: "God creates evil by drawing a
clear line between the good and the evil."
I said the Evil that God created. A point you readily
concede.
You are not responding to my point. You are repeating your false point.
I'm not repeating a false anything, ding-bat. I quoted you
"God creates evil by drawing a clear line between the good
and the evil."
Did you, or did you not?
Quoting my point doesn't mean answering my point.
You''re saying God creates Evil. And I've responded by adding
that it was because He's an Evil God. Which WAS responding to
your point. I typed a response, didn't I?
No. The question of God creating evil is not an issue here. My
point is to show why God creating evil is more than good but also
important.
Yes, you've claimed that it was because it provided man with
"wisdom," that it has made man "wise."
Yes, exactly.
Post by GreywolfBut that's *beyond* stupid.
No, absolutely not.
If you were stabbed 40 times by a berserk
Post by Greywolfmad-man because he didn't like the color of your hair, would you
thank your God for opening your eyes to evil while you're lying in
agony in some gutter?
Yes, absolutely. I will have to thank God for giving me the wisdom to
know what I have suffered is called evil. Otherwise, I would be
suffering like a stupid farm animal having no idea what is causing me to
suffer and why it is making me suffer.
Or would you have rather Evil not ever have
No, absolutely not, because I would still suffer the exact same thing
except I wouldn't be able to understand what it is and why.
Post by GreywolfIf your loved ones were being sent to a concentration camp to either
be gassed, hung, or shot, would you thank your Lord for creating
Evil, or curse Him for it?
I would thank God for opening my eyes to evil so that I could die in a
concentration camp as a human rather than in a slaughterhouse as an animal.
Post by GreywolfYou
Post by aaaare ignoring my point by pretending to be stupid.
I've addressed that the creation of Evil was NOT a "good" thing
countless times now.
No, you haven't addressed anything. You only claimed it without any
logic or reason. You are confusing creating evil with committing evil.
Your logic is flawed from the beginning.
I've pointed out to you that Even God deems Evil
Post by GreywolfEvil and not a "Good" thing. Why in the Hell do you think He's do
punish Evil-doers with eternal punishment if He thought Evil a "Good"
thing.
So now explain how is it that YOU think the creation of Evil a good
thing, and yet your God deems Evil to be Evil and plans to wipe all
of it right out of existence someday if He thought it to be a "good"
thing.
I have explained this too many times. Creating evil has nothing to do
with committing evil. Creating evil is to establish what evil is. It's
never evil to teach people what evil is.
Post by GreywolfFace it, you're just "nuts," is all. Loony as they come.
Post by aaaPost by GreywolfWithout answering my
Post by aaapoint, you simply repeated your previous point by claiming "He
created Evil because He IS evil," as if nothing happened. By
doing this, you have only ignored my point. You are being
dishonest here.
What am I being "dishonest" about? You said God created Evil.
You've said that God draws a line between Evil and Good. So? What
is that supposed to mean? That He's Good? Not if, as you admit,
He deliberately created very Evil itself. What are you trying to
say?
I said exactly what I said. You may have to reread what I wrote if
you pretend to be this stupid.
Post by GreywolfWhat does "drawing a line between Good and Evil" accomplish.
What, it defines the Evil Evil God deliberately created?
It accomplishes the creation of good and evil, but I also said
more after that. Apparently, you decided to be stupid so that you
could ignore everything to repeat your false claim again as if I
have said nothing.
You've stated that the creation of Evil was good because made man
"wise." I've addressed that here and in other threads, so it is *you*
that's being disingenuous here.
But let's move on. Address what I've posted below. And the ones
above. But I'm most eager to hear you explain how the very idea of
evil itself could possibly emanate from an Evil-Free God who's
PERFECT in Goodness and Righteousness. From *where* could the notion
of Evil originate in God's Evil-Free being?
I have said it many times. God creates evil by being good. Why is that
so hard to understand?
Post by GreywolfPost by aaaPost by GreywolfPost by aaaPost by aaaPost by aaasnip. We can't continue until you can be honest enough
to deal with my actual point.
_____
I *was* being honest.
No, you are not. You are ignoring my point by repeating
your point that has just been proven false by my simple
point.
You've not proved it false. That's just another one of your
lies. Your God deliberately created very Evil itself. Even
HE deems Evil to be Evil! And certainly not "Good." But
you've made it a point to argue that Evil was created to make
man "wise." Therefore it's a "good" thing.
Hung yourself with that one, didn't you?
Why should I? It's a perfectly valid point.
You've just maintained that creating Evil was a "Good" thing!
You're so fucking nuts, it's off the charts. Even God deems Evil
Evil. And here you, a sick fuck, is claiming it to be a Good
thing.
I made my point. To bad you can only ignore it.
All you've done is talk crazy-talk. You're so nuts I'm shocked that
you haven't been attacked by a horde of squirrels already.
Post by aaaPost by GreywolfIf someone were to break into your mental ward and hack a fellow
patient to death, would you consider that a "good" thing or an
act of pure evil? And therefore a "bad" thing.
That has nothing to do with God creating evil.
It sure does, turds-for-a-brain! Because the non-existence of Evil
would mean the hacker 1) wouldn't be insane (insanity is a by-product
of Evil), and 2) that fellow patient would never have been attacked
due to the absence of Evil.
False. Without creating evil, all the evil things would be considered as
normal. They would all be considered as mere natural disasters. Nobody
would need to complain about them. People would be no different from
animals operating entirely on their natural instinct. The human society
would not be called a civilization. It would be called an animal kingdom.
Post by GreywolfSee, you've been proven wrong, yet again.
In fact, it only thanks
Post by aaato God we are able to know it is an act of evil.
But the attack would never have happened if Evil were non-existent,
you yo-yo. Would you be glad to be "enlightened" if YOU were the one
being hacked to death? If not, then you wouldn't find Evil so "good"
after all, would you?
False logic. People don't commit evil by knowing what evil is. On the
contrary, people often stop doing evil when they can realize what they
are doing is evil. Did you start stealing after you have learned what
stealing was? Do you blame your kindergarten teacher for teaching you
the concept of stealing? If no one had taught you what stealing was,
would there be no more stealing in the world? Can you make the world a
better place by being stupid? So why do you have to blame God for giving
you the wisdom to know the difference between good and evil? Where is
your logic in that?
Post by GreywolfPost by aaaPost by GreywolfPost by aaaPost by aaaTherefore, the discussion can't continue. We are stuck
until you are willing to address my counter point.
Type your "counterpoint. And then address the questions
below.
I have made my point. I don't have to deal with another of
your point until you have dealt with mine. If you can't, I will
win the debate.
You win nothing. You can't even remember what your own point is!
If you did you'd type it. Hah! You can't even remember that your
point was!!
I have no need to repeat myself. It's your job to prove me wrong.
You can't, therefore I win.
Sorry. You can't even remember what your own point was. So you win
nothing except a medal for being the most insane, brain-diseased
idiot plaguing this forum.
Until you post what your point was precisely, I win. But especially
because you're refusing to how the very idea of creating evil itself
could possibly emanate from an Evil-Free God. Where could the very
notion of Evil originate from a God who was Evil-Free?
Post by aaaPost by GreywolfPost by aaaPost by aaaBut now, lets see you explain where even the
*thought* of creating Evil came from? How did that idea,
that notion enter the mind of a God who's supposed to be
perfect in Goodness and Righteousness, a God devoid of
Evil? Explain how Evil can originate from an Evil-Free
God?
How do you square that without resorting to more of your
lying?
Oh!! Stumped you with that one, didn't I? I hear nothing but
crickets chirping, you crazy douche-bag? What's the matter? Cat
got your tongue?
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happiness, faith, courage, justice, peace, freedom, and life itself.