Are all Umrats on a weekend away???

[Mike]

So quiet around here, a pin-drop is deafening!

[[e-mail] Tony Smith Prestbury Glos.]

We are not saying we're away in case the local burglar has this forum hacked.

[LFS]

Post by Mike
So quiet around here, a pin-drop is deafening!

Very busy adapting to new role as grandma.

[SODAM]

Post by LFS

Post by Mike
So quiet around here, a pin-drop is deafening!

Very busy adapting to new role as grandma.

Quietly adapting to new lens inserted in eye last Friday. Able to see again
now, so looking forward to a shoal of contributions in this plaice.

[Mike]

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Post by LFS

Post by Mike
So quiet around here, a pin-drop is deafening!

Very busy adapting to new role as grandma.

Quietly adapting to new lens inserted in eye last Friday. Able to see again
now, so looking forward to a shoal of contributions in this plaice.

Shoal? Fish-eye lens perhaps?

[J. P. Gilliver (John)]

Post by Mike

Post by SODAM

Post by LFS

Post by Mike
So quiet around here, a pin-drop is deafening!

Very busy adapting to new role as grandma.

Quietly adapting to new lens inserted in eye last Friday. Able to see again
now, so looking forward to a shoal of contributions in this plaice.

Glad to hear it has been successful.

Post by Mike
Shoal? Fish-eye lens perhaps?

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Post by Mike

Post by SODAM

Post by LFS

Post by Mike
So quiet around here, a pin-drop is deafening!

Very busy adapting to new role as grandma.

Quietly adapting to new lens inserted in eye last Friday. Able to see again
now, so looking forward to a shoal of contributions in this plaice.

Shoal? Fish-eye lens perhaps?

***@t! I thought it was a drinking toast and have been pie-eyed ever since.

Hic!

[Chris McMillan]

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Post by LFS

Post by Mike
So quiet around here, a pin-drop is deafening!

Very busy adapting to new role as grandma.

Quietly adapting to new lens inserted in eye last Friday. Able to see again
now, so looking forward to a shoal of contributions in this plaice.

Oh, cataract surgery?

Sincerely Chris

[SODAM]

Post by Chris McMillan

Post by SODAM

Post by LFS

Post by Mike
So quiet around here, a pin-drop is deafening!

Very busy adapting to new role as grandma.

Quietly adapting to new lens inserted in eye last Friday. Able to see again
now, so looking forward to a shoal of contributions in this plaice.

Oh, cataract surgery?
Sincerely Chris

Yes! It has made an improvement but not as great as I’d hoped.

[Chris McMillan]

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Post by Chris McMillan

Post by SODAM

Post by LFS

Post by Mike
So quiet around here, a pin-drop is deafening!

Very busy adapting to new role as grandma.

Quietly adapting to new lens inserted in eye last Friday. Able to see again
now, so looking forward to a shoal of contributions in this plaice.

Oh, cataract surgery?
Sincerely Chris

Yes! It has made an improvement but not as great as I’d hoped.

Oh dear.

Sincerely Chris

[Vicky Ayech]

Post by LFS

Post by Mike
So quiet around here, a pin-drop is deafening!

Very busy adapting to new role as grandma.

Advice I got was grans are issued with a zip. Do not offer advice
unless asked. And I have 2 daughters. One does ask though. And we have
lovely discussions. Apparently with daughters-in-law one must read
with care. My # 1 daughter reversed the normal and is fine with
mother-without-law. Just has problem with me.

[Penny]

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Post by LFS

Post by Mike
So quiet around here, a pin-drop is deafening!

Very busy adapting to new role as grandma.

Advice I got was grans are issued with a zip. Do not offer advice
unless asked. And I have 2 daughters. One does ask though. And we have
lovely discussions. Apparently with daughters-in-law one must read
with care. My # 1 daughter reversed the normal and is fine with
mother-without-law. Just has problem with me.

D#1 used to moan a lot about her mother-out-law who I could see was doing
what she was doing in order to help in simple ways (this was mostly
cleaning, tidying and doing the washing up). I asked if she would feel
affronted if I did the same thing and she said 'Of course not'. I think she
felt less criticised after that - just as well as she really relies upon
the help of the more local grandparents.

Unsolicited advice is generally to be avoided I think.

[Jim Easterbrook]

Post by Penny
Unsolicited advice is generally to be avoided I think.

My grandma used to say "the wise don't need it and fools won't heed it".

[Penny]

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Post by Penny
Unsolicited advice is generally to be avoided I think.

My grandma used to say "the wise don't need it and fools won't heed it".

Your grandma was a wise woman - a zip definitely needed on occasion though.

[Sid Nuncius]

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Post by Penny
Unsolicited advice is generally to be avoided I think.

My grandma used to say "the wise don't need it and fools won't heed it".

Unsolicited advice always makes me think of Lady Catherine de Burgh, of
whom Mr Collins said, "Twice has she condescended to give me her opinion
(unasked too!) on this subject"

'Nuff said.

[Vicky Ayech]

Post by LFS

Post by Mike
So quiet around here, a pin-drop is deafening!

Very busy adapting to new role as grandma.

And congratulations here too xxx. Best Thing Ever! Enjoy!

[Penny]

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Post by Mike
So quiet around here, a pin-drop is deafening!

Very busy adapting to new role as grandma.

Congratulations to all involved.

[Rosemary Miskin]

On 02/12/2018 21:26, Mike wrote: 

So quiet around here, a pin-drop is deafening! 
 

We were away attending Eldest Granddaughter's Confirmation.

Glad it was quiet around here!

Rosemary

[Mike]

Post by Rosemary Miskin
On 02/12/2018 21:26, Mike wrote: 

So quiet around here, a pin-drop is deafening! 
 

We were away attending Eldest Granddaughter's Confirmation.
Glad it was quiet around here!
Rosemary

Did you find the pin I dropped?

[[e-mail] Tony Smith Prestbury Glos.]

How old do they confirm them nowadays?

[Rosemary Miskin]

How old do they confirm them nowadays? 

Eldest granddaughter is 12, and was about the youngest candidate. The oldest
candidate, a man, was at least our age!

Rosemary

[Chris McMillan]

Post by LFS

Post by Mike
So quiet around here, a pin-drop is deafening!

Very busy adapting to new role as grandma.

You’ll always be adapting. Congarats!

Mr and Mrs McT

[LFS]

Post by Chris McMillan

Post by LFS

Post by Mike
So quiet around here, a pin-drop is deafening!

Very busy adapting to new role as grandma.

You’ll always be adapting. Congarats!

Thanks, McTs and everyone. I'm already discovering how challenging it is
to keep quiet and let her parents find their own way of doing things,
very difficult for a bossy boots like me.

[Vicky Ayech]

Post by LFS

Post by LFS

Post by Mike
So quiet around here, a pin-drop is deafening!

Very busy adapting to new role as grandma.

You’ll always be adapting. Congarats!

Thanks, McTs and everyone. I'm already discovering how challenging it is
to keep quiet and let her parents find their own way of doing things,
very difficult for a bossy boots like me.

A friend once asked me "Do you want to be right, or friends?" This
applies in a different way here. You brought up a child but you know
nothing about how to do it nowadays, or at all. Babies are not the
same now. Facilities are not, and nappies and buggies certainly are
not.

Forget folding like a kite. You will have to learn the disposable, if
you are ever trusted to change a nappy. I was never in that much of a
rush ;). Did you have a simple pram/carrycot on wheels, McClarren
umbrella type? Well, book your place on a buggy unfolding and folding
course now. And just as you get the nuggering hang of it the child
grows and there is a new kind! And then the high chair, and car seat.
All mine fields when approached with baby on one arm.

And food and teething etc are differnt now too. As are babies. :)

[J. P. Gilliver (John)]

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Post by Vicky Ayech

Post by LFS

Post by Chris McMillan

Post by LFS
Very busy adapting to new role as grandma.

You’ll always be adapting. Congarats!

Thanks, McTs and everyone. I'm already discovering how challenging it is
to keep quiet and let her parents find their own way of doing things,
very difficult for a bossy boots like me.

A friend once asked me "Do you want to be right, or friends?" This

What a clever friend/perceptive question. I think I might add that to my
quotes file!

Post by Vicky Ayech
applies in a different way here. You brought up a child but you know
nothing about how to do it nowadays, or at all. Babies are not the
same now. Facilities are not, and nappies and buggies certainly are
not.

Even the name has changed; when I was a child (and I _think_ for some
time afterwards), it was called a pushchair - a term I don't think I
ever hear nowadays. Along with pram and carrycot.

Post by Vicky Ayech
Forget folding like a kite. You will have to learn the disposable, if
you are ever trusted to change a nappy. I was never in that much of a
rush ;). Did you have a simple pram/carrycot on wheels, McClarren

Going from my brother - I don't remember from myself! - we definitely
had a carrycot; I remember it just being placed on the back seat of the
car! and I _think_ we just had a set of folding wheels for it, though I
don't actually remember - we might even have had a real pram. I'll have
to look through al those old photographs again.

Post by Vicky Ayech
umbrella type? Well, book your place on a buggy unfolding and folding
course now. And just as you get the nuggering hang of it the child
grows and there is a new kind! And then the high chair, and car seat.
All mine fields when approached with baby on one arm.
And food and teething etc are differnt now too. As are babies. :)

I don't _think_ the basic design has changed (-:! But certainly all the
support equipment seems to have, and definitely society's attitude:
mostly for the better, though IMO too far against disciplining [there
are times when you _have_ to take swift action if only to prevent a
child harming itself, and you want it to learn not to do that - and
ideally _not_ to be forever saying "George ...").


255soft.uk

[LFS]

Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)
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Post by LFS

Post by Chris McMillan

Post by LFS
Very busy adapting to new role as grandma.

You’ll always be adapting. Congarats!

Thanks, McTs and everyone. I'm already discovering how challenging it is
to keep quiet and let her parents find their own way of doing things,
very difficult for a bossy boots like me.

A friend once asked me "Do you want to be right, or friends?"  This

What a clever friend/perceptive question. I think I might add that to my
quotes file!

applies in a different way here. You brought up a child but you know
nothing about how to do  it nowadays, or at all. Babies are not the
same now. Facilities are not, and nappies and buggies certainly are
not.

Even the name has changed; when I was a child (and I _think_ for some
time afterwards), it was called a pushchair - a term I don't think I
ever hear nowadays. Along with pram and carrycot.

Now called "travel solutions".

[Mike]

Post by LFS

Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)
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Post by LFS

Post by Chris McMillan

Post by LFS
Very busy adapting to new role as grandma.

You’ll always be adapting. Congarats!

Thanks, McTs and everyone. I'm already discovering how challenging it is
to keep quiet and let her parents find their own way of doing things,
very difficult for a bossy boots like me.

A friend once asked me "Do you want to be right, or friends?"  This

What a clever friend/perceptive question. I think I might add that to my
quotes file!

applies in a different way here. You brought up a child but you know
nothing about how to do  it nowadays, or at all. Babies are not the
same now. Facilities are not, and nappies and buggies certainly are
not.

Even the name has changed; when I was a child (and I _think_ for some
time afterwards), it was called a pushchair - a term I don't think I
ever hear nowadays. Along with pram and carrycot.

Now called "travel solutions".

Or ‘Transports of delight’ perhaps?

[J. P. Gilliver (John)]

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Post by Mike

Post by LFS

Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)
Even the name has changed; when I was a child (and I _think_ for some
time afterwards), it was called a pushchair - a term I don't think I
ever hear nowadays. Along with pram and carrycot.

Now called "travel solutions".

Or ‘Transports of delight’ perhaps?

Hold-very-tight-please - ting ting.


255soft.uk

[Penny]

On Tue, 4 Dec 2018 14:08:00 +0000, LFS <***@gmail.com>
scrawled in the dust...

Post by LFS

Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)
Even the name has changed; when I was a child (and I _think_ for some
time afterwards), it was called a pushchair - a term I don't think I
ever hear nowadays. Along with pram and carrycot.

Now called "travel solutions".

The first in-depth discussion I ever witnessed between my daughters' other
halves was on the subject of "travel solutions", one having the experience
of two children while the other was about to meet his first. It was like
two blokes discussing cars :)

[J. P. Gilliver (John)]

Post by Penny
scrawled in the dust...

Post by LFS

Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)
Even the name has changed; when I was a child (and I _think_ for some
time afterwards), it was called a pushchair - a term I don't think I
ever hear nowadays. Along with pram and carrycot.

Now called "travel solutions".

The first in-depth discussion I ever witnessed between my daughters' other
halves was on the subject of "travel solutions", one having the experience
of two children while the other was about to meet his first. It was like
two blokes discussing cars :)

As a bloke, I have to ask: how would such a discussion of the same
subject between two _females_ differ?

[krw]

Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)
As a bloke, I have to ask: how would such a discussion of the same
subject between two _females_ differ?

The colour would be all important.

[Penny]

On Tue, 4 Dec 2018 16:36:21 +0000, "J. P. Gilliver (John)"

Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)

Post by Penny
The first in-depth discussion I ever witnessed between my daughters' other
halves was on the subject of "travel solutions", one having the experience
of two children while the other was about to meet his first. It was like
two blokes discussing cars :)

As a bloke, I have to ask: how would such a discussion of the same
subject between two _females_ differ?

Fewer technical details, more practical ones.
I don't care what it's made of but is it easy to fold/unfold while holding
a wriggling child? How much room does it take up when not in use? How heavy
is it? Can you unclip the bit that comes off with one hand? Is there
somewhere to stow the waterproofs when it isn't raining but probably will
later?

[Mike]

Post by Penny
On Tue, 4 Dec 2018 16:36:21 +0000, "J. P. Gilliver (John)"

Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)

Post by Penny
The first in-depth discussion I ever witnessed between my daughters' other
halves was on the subject of "travel solutions", one having the experience
of two children while the other was about to meet his first. It was like
two blokes discussing cars :)

As a bloke, I have to ask: how would such a discussion of the same
subject between two _females_ differ?

Fewer technical details, more practical ones.
I don't care what it's made of but is it easy to fold/unfold while holding
a wriggling child? How much room does it take up when not in use? How heavy
is it? Can you unclip the bit that comes off with one hand? Is there
somewhere to stow the waterproofs when it isn't raining but probably will
later?

And can all the folding operations be carried out on a moving full bus?

[LFS]

Post by Penny
scrawled in the dust...

Post by LFS

Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)
Even the name has changed; when I was a child (and I _think_ for some
time afterwards), it was called a pushchair - a term I don't think I
ever hear nowadays. Along with pram and carrycot.

Now called "travel solutions".

The first in-depth discussion I ever witnessed between my daughters' other
halves was on the subject of "travel solutions", one having the experience
of two children while the other was about to meet his first. It was like
two blokes discussing cars :)

Indeed. For the last few months when we've been out with Son every time
we passed any kind of baby conveyance he would identify the make and
model and then tell us in great detail how the one they have chosen is
much better. Just like men and cars!

[Flop]

Post by LFS

Post by Chris McMillan

Post by LFS

Post by Mike
So quiet around here, a pin-drop is deafening!

Very busy adapting to new role as grandma.

You’ll always be adapting. Congarats!

Thanks, McTs and everyone. I'm already discovering how challenging it is
to keep quiet and let her parents find their own way of doing things,
very difficult for a bossy boots like me.

Dont do it!!
They will pass your IQ by the age of two.
And pass your level of cunning by the age of three.
Then you are dooomed :-(

[J. P. Gilliver (John)]

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<***@flop.knot.me.uk> writes:
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Post by LFS
Very busy adapting to new role as grandma.

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Post by Flop
Dont do it!!

Er - she can't take them back to the shop!

Post by Flop
They will pass your IQ by the age of two.
And pass your level of cunning by the age of three.
Then you are dooomed :-(

Though they can be useful (when a _bit_ older) when you can't figure out
some technology. (To quote Tom Lehrer, though he was talking about maths
teaching: "It's so simple - so very simple - that only a child can do
it!")
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[LFS]

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Post by Flop

Post by LFS
Very busy adapting to new role as grandma.

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Post by Flop
Dont do it!!

Er - she can't take them back to the shop!

Post by Flop
They will pass your IQ by the age of two.
And pass your level of cunning by the age of three.
Then you are dooomed :-(

Though they can be useful (when a _bit_ older) when you can't figure out
some technology. (To quote Tom Lehrer, though he was talking about maths
teaching: "It's so simple - so very simple - that only a child can do it!")

We have a new car, having passed our old one on to the new parents. We
can't work out how to turn off the radio.

[BrritSki]

Post by LFS

Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)
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Post by LFS
Very busy adapting to new role as grandma.

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Post by Flop
Dont do it!!

Er - she can't take them back to the shop!

Post by Flop
They will pass your IQ by the age of two.
And pass your level of cunning by the age of three.
Then you are dooomed :-(

Though they can be useful (when a _bit_ older) when you can't figure
out some technology. (To quote Tom Lehrer, though he was talking about
maths teaching: "It's so simple - so very simple - that only a child
can do it!")

We have a new car, having passed our old one on to the new parents. We
can't work out how to turn off the radio.

WHat car is it ???

[LFS]

Post by BrritSki

Post by LFS

Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)
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Post by Flop

Post by LFS
Very busy adapting to new role as grandma.

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Post by Flop
Dont do it!!

Er - she can't take them back to the shop!

Post by Flop
They will pass your IQ by the age of two.
And pass your level of cunning by the age of three.
Then you are dooomed :-(

Though they can be useful (when a _bit_ older) when you can't figure
out some technology. (To quote Tom Lehrer, though he was talking
about maths teaching: "It's so simple - so very simple - that only a
child can do it!")

We have a new car, having passed our old one on to the new parents. We
can't work out how to turn off the radio.

WHat car is it ???

Ford C Max, same as the old one but with a more sophisticated audio and
satnav system. You can turn everything off but not just the radio which
seems a bit odd.

[J. P. Gilliver (John)]

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Post by LFS

Post by BrritSki

Post by LFS
We have a new car, having passed our old one on to the new parents.
We can't work out how to turn off the radio.

WHat car is it ???

Ford C Max, same as the old one but with a more sophisticated audio and
satnav system. You can turn everything off but not just the radio which
seems a bit odd.

I presume you've tried pushing, as opposed to just turning, the volume
knob (assuming it has one) - does that do the turn-off-everything you've
described?

(I've recently had to change car too [old one needed lots of welding;
I'd have paid for that, but everyone kept telling me it would from now
on need that _every_ year so. I still miss it. And I've not worked out
how to work all the displays in my "new" [56 reg. Octavia] one yet.)

Have you asked a child how to do it? (-:

[Jenny M Benson]

Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)
If it jams - force it. If it breaks, it needed replacing anyway.

That's a version of my rule with regard to clothes with "dry clean only"
labels: wash it and if it's ruined I didn't want it anyway.

[Mike]

Post by Jenny M Benson

Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)
If it jams - force it. If it breaks, it needed replacing anyway.

That's a version of my rule with regard to clothes with "dry clean only"
labels: wash it and if it's ruined I didn't want it anyway.

‘If it doesn’t fit, don’t force it, use a bigger hammer!

[LFS]

Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)
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Post by LFS

Post by BrritSki

Post by LFS
We have a new car, having passed our old one on to the new parents.
We  can't work out how to turn off the radio.

WHat car is it ???

Ford C Max, same as the old one but with a more sophisticated audio
and satnav system. You can turn everything off but not just the radio
which seems a bit odd.

I presume you've tried pushing, as opposed to just turning, the volume
knob (assuming it has one) - does that do the turn-off-everything you've
described?
(I've recently had to change car too [old one needed lots of welding;
I'd have paid for that, but everyone kept telling me it would from now
on need that _every_ year so. I still miss it. And I've not worked out
how to work all the displays in my "new" [56 reg. Octavia] one yet.)

Granddaughter is a bit too young at three days old but the next time I
see the little girl next door I may ask her to have a look.

[Penny]

On Tue, 4 Dec 2018 16:41:00 +0000, "J. P. Gilliver (John)"

Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)
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Post by LFS

Post by BrritSki

Post by LFS
We have a new car, having passed our old one on to the new parents.
We can't work out how to turn off the radio.

WHat car is it ???

Ford C Max, same as the old one but with a more sophisticated audio and
satnav system. You can turn everything off but not just the radio which
seems a bit odd.

I presume you've tried pushing, as opposed to just turning, the volume
knob (assuming it has one) - does that do the turn-off-everything you've
described?

Is the radio still playing later before you turn the ignition on again?

There are shed-loads of forum posts about this problem.
Solutions include removing the fuse.
Program button 4 works as a mute button (just for radio so satnav is still
audible).
A mechanic writes: Most 1995 and newer Ford products have modules in them
which will remain in "standby" mode for a period of time after the vehicle
is shut off. While in this mode, they will draw current which is excessive
by established standards for normal current drain. However, after no longer
than 1 hour of inactivity (no change in state of door switches, door handle
switches, hood switch, trunk/tailgate switch, ignition switch or
key-in-ignition switch), they should go to sleep, and total current draw
should be less than 50 mA.
One person said the radio display reads '1 hour mode' when ignition is
turned off so presumably that's how long it stays on.

I have the opposite problem with my Peugeot. It has an 'eco' mode which,
apart from stopping the engine while in stationary traffic, switches the
radio off after a few minutes if the engine isn't running which I find
annoying when I've arrived somewhere, parked and want to hear the end of
the programme I'm listening to before getting out of the car.

[LFS]

Post by Penny
On Tue, 4 Dec 2018 16:41:00 +0000, "J. P. Gilliver (John)"

Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)
[]

Post by LFS

Post by BrritSki

Post by LFS
We have a new car, having passed our old one on to the new parents.
We can't work out how to turn off the radio.

WHat car is it ???

Ford C Max, same as the old one but with a more sophisticated audio and
satnav system. You can turn everything off but not just the radio which
seems a bit odd.

I presume you've tried pushing, as opposed to just turning, the volume
knob (assuming it has one) - does that do the turn-off-everything you've
described?

Is the radio still playing later before you turn the ignition on again?

No.

Post by Penny
There are shed-loads of forum posts about this problem.
Solutions include removing the fuse.
Program button 4 works as a mute button (just for radio so satnav is still
audible).
A mechanic writes: Most 1995 and newer Ford products have modules in them
which will remain in "standby" mode for a period of time after the vehicle
is shut off. While in this mode, they will draw current which is excessive
by established standards for normal current drain. However, after no longer
than 1 hour of inactivity (no change in state of door switches, door handle
switches, hood switch, trunk/tailgate switch, ignition switch or
key-in-ignition switch), they should go to sleep, and total current draw
should be less than 50 mA.
One person said the radio display reads '1 hour mode' when ignition is
turned off so presumably that's how long it stays on.
I have the opposite problem with my Peugeot. It has an 'eco' mode which,
apart from stopping the engine while in stationary traffic, switches the
radio off after a few minutes if the engine isn't running which I find
annoying when I've arrived somewhere, parked and want to hear the end of
the programme I'm listening to before getting out of the car.

This car starts with a push button and turns everything off after a
short time when the key leaves the car. It also stops the engine in
stationary traffic.

[the Omrud]

Post by Penny
On Tue, 4 Dec 2018 16:41:00 +0000, "J. P. Gilliver (John)"

Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)
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Post by LFS

Post by BrritSki

Post by LFS
We have a new car, having passed our old one on to the new parents.
We can't work out how to turn off the radio.

WHat car is it ???

Ford C Max, same as the old one but with a more sophisticated audio and
satnav system. You can turn everything off but not just the radio which
seems a bit odd.

I presume you've tried pushing, as opposed to just turning, the volume
knob (assuming it has one) - does that do the turn-off-everything you've
described?

Is the radio still playing later before you turn the ignition on again?
There are shed-loads of forum posts about this problem.
Solutions include removing the fuse.
Program button 4 works as a mute button (just for radio so satnav is still
audible).
A mechanic writes: Most 1995 and newer Ford products have modules in them
which will remain in "standby" mode for a period of time after the vehicle
is shut off. While in this mode, they will draw current which is excessive
by established standards for normal current drain. However, after no longer
than 1 hour of inactivity (no change in state of door switches, door handle
switches, hood switch, trunk/tailgate switch, ignition switch or
key-in-ignition switch), they should go to sleep, and total current draw
should be less than 50 mA.
One person said the radio display reads '1 hour mode' when ignition is
turned off so presumably that's how long it stays on.
I have the opposite problem with my Peugeot. It has an 'eco' mode which,
apart from stopping the engine while in stationary traffic, switches the
radio off after a few minutes if the engine isn't running which I find
annoying when I've arrived somewhere, parked and want to hear the end of
the programme I'm listening to before getting out of the car.

Mine turns itself off after 10 minutes, but it can be switched on
immediately for another 10 minutes.

Many years ago, when everybody used to arrive at work at around the same
time and there was a story on at 08:45 (I think), you could see a large
number of drivers getting out of their cars immediately after it finished.

[Nick Odell]

Post by the Omrud

Post by Penny
On Tue, 4 Dec 2018 16:41:00 +0000, "J. P. Gilliver (John)"

Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)
[]

Post by LFS

Post by BrritSki

Post by LFS
We have a new car, having passed our old one on to the new parents.
We  can't work out how to turn off the radio.

WHat car is it ???

Ford C Max, same as the old one but with a more sophisticated audio and
satnav system. You can turn everything off but not just the radio which
seems a bit odd.

I presume you've tried pushing, as opposed to just turning, the volume
knob (assuming it has one) - does that do the turn-off-everything you've
described?

Is the radio still playing later before you turn the ignition on again?
There are shed-loads of forum posts about this problem.
Solutions include removing the fuse.
Program button 4 works as a mute button (just for radio so satnav is still
audible).
A mechanic writes: Most 1995 and newer Ford products have modules in them
which will remain in "standby" mode for a period of time after the vehicle
is shut off. While in this mode, they will draw current which is excessive
by established standards for normal current drain. However, after no longer
than 1 hour of inactivity (no change in state of door switches, door handle
switches, hood switch, trunk/tailgate switch, ignition switch or
key-in-ignition switch), they should go to sleep, and total current draw
should be less than 50 mA.
One person said the radio display reads '1 hour mode' when ignition is
turned off so presumably that's how long it stays on.
I have the opposite problem with my Peugeot. It has an 'eco' mode which,
apart from stopping the engine while in stationary traffic, switches the
radio off after a few minutes if the engine isn't running which I find
annoying when I've arrived somewhere, parked and want to hear the end of
the programme I'm listening to before getting out of the car.

Mine turns itself off after 10 minutes, but it can be switched on
immediately for another 10 minutes.
Many years ago, when everybody used to arrive at work at around the same
time and there was a story on at 08:45 (I think), you could see a large
number of drivers getting out of their cars immediately after it finished.

Not to mention the appearance of drivers simultaneously getting out of
their cars in the supermarket car park at 7.15. Gosh! I haven't driven
for so long - that must have been over twenty years ago. Do people still
listen to TA at the wheel?

Nick

[SODAM]

Post by Nick Odell

Post by the Omrud

Post by Penny
On Tue, 4 Dec 2018 16:41:00 +0000, "J. P. Gilliver (John)"

Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)
[]

Post by LFS

Post by BrritSki

Post by LFS
We have a new car, having passed our old one on to the new parents.
We  can't work out how to turn off the radio.

WHat car is it ???

Ford C Max, same as the old one but with a more sophisticated audio and
satnav system. You can turn everything off but not just the radio which
seems a bit odd.

I presume you've tried pushing, as opposed to just turning, the volume
knob (assuming it has one) - does that do the turn-off-everything you've
described?

Is the radio still playing later before you turn the ignition on again?
There are shed-loads of forum posts about this problem.
Solutions include removing the fuse.
Program button 4 works as a mute button (just for radio so satnav is still
audible).
A mechanic writes: Most 1995 and newer Ford products have modules in them
which will remain in "standby" mode for a period of time after the vehicle
is shut off. While in this mode, they will draw current which is excessive
by established standards for normal current drain. However, after no longer
than 1 hour of inactivity (no change in state of door switches, door handle
switches, hood switch, trunk/tailgate switch, ignition switch or
key-in-ignition switch), they should go to sleep, and total current draw
should be less than 50 mA.
One person said the radio display reads '1 hour mode' when ignition is
turned off so presumably that's how long it stays on.
I have the opposite problem with my Peugeot. It has an 'eco' mode which,
apart from stopping the engine while in stationary traffic, switches the
radio off after a few minutes if the engine isn't running which I find
annoying when I've arrived somewhere, parked and want to hear the end of
the programme I'm listening to before getting out of the car.

Mine turns itself off after 10 minutes, but it can be switched on
immediately for another 10 minutes.
Many years ago, when everybody used to arrive at work at around the same
time and there was a story on at 08:45 (I think), you could see a large
number of drivers getting out of their cars immediately after it finished.

Not to mention the appearance of drivers simultaneously getting out of
their cars in the supermarket car park at 7.15. Gosh! I haven't driven
for so long - that must have been over twenty years ago. Do people still
listen to TA at the wheel?
Nick

Yes. When I go to the cinema I like to arrive at 19.00 for the 19.30
programme. Getting out of the car at 19.15. I see several other people in
the car park exiting simultaneously. Sometimes I ask them “Archers?” and
they grin and agree.

[Penny]

On Wed, 5 Dec 2018 22:05:52 +0000, Nick Odell

Post by Nick Odell
Not to mention the appearance of drivers simultaneously getting out of
their cars in the supermarket car park at 7.15. Gosh! I haven't driven
for so long - that must have been over twenty years ago. Do people still
listen to TA at the wheel?

A haulage company boss (who also drove lorries on occasion) told me a lot
of drivers would pull over to listen to TA (and/or Wagoners Walk) while in
France.

[Sam Plusnet]

Post by LFS

Post by BrritSki

Post by LFS

Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)
[]
[]

Post by Flop

Post by LFS
Very busy adapting to new role as grandma.

[]

Post by Flop
Dont do it!!

Er - she can't take them back to the shop!

Post by Flop
They will pass your IQ by the age of two.
And pass your level of cunning by the age of three.
Then you are dooomed :-(

Though they can be useful (when a _bit_ older) when you can't figure
out some technology. (To quote Tom Lehrer, though he was talking
about maths teaching: "It's so simple - so very simple - that only a
child can do it!")

We have a new car, having passed our old one on to the new parents.
We can't work out how to turn off the radio.

WHat car is it ???

Ford C Max, same as the old one but with a more sophisticated audio and
satnav system. You can turn everything off but not just the radio which
seems a bit odd.

You could read the handbook - but the handbook for the Audio system (NOT
"radio" Please!) will be thicker than that for the rest of the car.

[LFS]

Post by Sam Plusnet

Post by LFS

Post by BrritSki

Post by LFS

Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)
[]
[]

Post by Flop

Post by LFS
Very busy adapting to new role as grandma.

[]

Post by Flop
Dont do it!!

Er - she can't take them back to the shop!

Post by Flop
They will pass your IQ by the age of two.
And pass your level of cunning by the age of three.
Then you are dooomed :-(

Though they can be useful (when a _bit_ older) when you can't
figure out some technology. (To quote Tom Lehrer, though he was
talking about maths teaching: "It's so simple - so very simple -
that only a child can do it!")

We have a new car, having passed our old one on to the new parents.
We can't work out how to turn off the radio.

WHat car is it ???

Ford C Max, same as the old one but with a more sophisticated audio
and satnav system. You can turn everything off but not just the radio
which seems a bit odd.

You could read the handbook - but the handbook for the Audio system (NOT
"radio" Please!) will be thicker than that for the rest of the car.

Thanks, we've done that. No help. Nothing on line either AFAICS.

[John Ashby]

Post by Sam Plusnet

Post by LFS

Post by BrritSki

Post by LFS
We have a new car, having passed our old one on to the new parents.
We can't work out how to turn off the radio.

WHat car is it ???

Ford C Max, same as the old one but with a more sophisticated audio
and satnav system. You can turn everything off but not just the radio
which seems a bit odd.

You could read the handbook - but the handbook for the Audio system (NOT
"radio" Please!) will be thicker than that for the rest of the car.

That's odd,I always thought you were male, Sam.

john

[Penny]

On Wed, 5 Dec 2018 11:35:09 +0000, John Ashby <***@yahoo.com>
scrawled in the dust...

Post by John Ashby

Post by Sam Plusnet

Post by LFS

Post by BrritSki

Post by LFS
We have a new car, having passed our old one on to the new parents.
We can't work out how to turn off the radio.

WHat car is it ???

Ford C Max, same as the old one but with a more sophisticated audio
and satnav system. You can turn everything off but not just the radio
which seems a bit odd.

You could read the handbook - but the handbook for the Audio system (NOT
"radio" Please!) will be thicker than that for the rest of the car.

That's odd,I always thought you were male, Sam.

Why have car manuals become so unhelpful?

Back in the summer my car suddenly beeped at me and displayed STOP! in red
lights on the dashboard.
I stopped when it was safe to do so and got the manual out (very crumpled
as it doesn't fit in the glove box without getting squashed).
I started with the index but there are no entries under STOP, Alerts or
Errors and the Troubleshooting section didn't cover such things.

I did eventually find what I needed but it was most unhelpful and just told
me to refer to dealer. As it was 5pm, I was not in a town and I was 200
miles from home this was no help at all. I proceeded with caution on my
search for a camp site which would have me (Scarborough Council sites won't
let you camp in your car) and by the time I found one the light had gone
off and the car was changing gear without help - which seemed to be the
problem.

[krw]

Post by Penny
Why have car manuals become so unhelpful?

Two or three times my new car has displayed a red picture of a car with
an alarm with red symbols around car picture as if lightning was about
to strike on all sides.

The first time this scared me close to death and so we drove gently
until I could pull over. Apparently it is an imminent warning of a
crash about to happen.

Frankly the loud warning noise and red flashing display might well have
caused an accident by distracting me from the traffic moving around me.
Who undertakes the risk assessment that they introduce a hazard into the
car?

[Sam Plusnet]

Post by John Ashby

Post by Sam Plusnet

Post by LFS

Post by BrritSki

Post by LFS
We have a new car, having passed our old one on to the new parents.
We can't work out how to turn off the radio.

WHat car is it ???

Ford C Max, same as the old one but with a more sophisticated audio
and satnav system. You can turn everything off but not just the radio
which seems a bit odd.

You could read the handbook - but the handbook for the Audio system
(NOT "radio" Please!) will be thicker than that for the rest of the car.

That's odd,I always thought you were male, Sam.

I was offering a vague suggestion that, if all else failed, Laura should
read the manual. I didn't offer to do the job for her.
Heaven forfend!

[krw]

Post by LFS
We have a new car, having passed our old one on to the new parents. We
can't work out how to turn off the radio.

So do we as the wife had an accident in the old one. I can turn the
radio down to zero volume (or whatever is being played) but if I turn it
off the entire central display goes off. I am sure that cannot be right.

[LFS]

Post by LFS
We have a new car, having passed our old one on to the new parents. We
can't work out how to turn off the radio.

So do we as the wife had an accident in the old one.  I can turn the
radio down to zero volume (or whatever is being played) but if I turn it
off the entire central display goes off.  I am sure that cannot be right.

That's what we have to do.

[SODAM]

Post by LFS

Post by LFS
We have a new car, having passed our old one on to the new parents. We
can't work out how to turn off the radio.

So do we as the wife had an accident in the old one.  I can turn the
radio down to zero volume (or whatever is being played) but if I turn it
off the entire central display goes off.  I am sure that cannot be right.

That's what we have to do.

I hadn’t noticed this on my 2 year old car as “not being able to switch
off” the infotainment but that’s what I have to do as well. What galls me
is that I have to pay yearly to update the sat nav, which I don’t. This
means that every month the system switches off, showing a screen reminding
me that I must pay to update. The only way to get rid of the screen and
switch back on is to press “remind me in 28 days” - or pay. So far I’ve
had 26 reminders.

If my sat nav has lifetime free maps, why can’t a car, which costs
considerably more?

[Mike]

Post by SODAM

Post by LFS

Post by LFS
We have a new car, having passed our old one on to the new parents. We
can't work out how to turn off the radio.

So do we as the wife had an accident in the old one.  I can turn the
radio down to zero volume (or whatever is being played) but if I turn it
off the entire central display goes off.  I am sure that cannot be right.

That's what we have to do.

I hadn’t noticed this on my 2 year old car as “not being able to switch
off” the infotainment but that’s what I have to do as well. What galls me
is that I have to pay yearly to update the sat nav, which I don’t. This
means that every month the system switches off, showing a screen reminding
me that I must pay to update. The only way to get rid of the screen and
switch back on is to press “remind me in 28 days” - or pay. So far I’ve
had 26 reminders.
If my sat nav has lifetime free maps, why can’t a car, which costs
considerably more?

The best SatNav we have come across was Umrat Peter Hesketh, this model
needed no updates and had unerring accuracy!

[J. P. Gilliver (John)]

[]

Post by Mike

Post by SODAM
If my sat nav has lifetime free maps, why can’t a car, which costs
considerably more?

I very much doubt that it's _your_ lifetime - and probably only an
innovative interpretation of what might be meant by the lifetime of the
equipment, too )-:. [I've recently seen something (I don't think it was
SatNav) where it was interpreted as being only as long as updates to the
firmware were being issued, which seemed to make the use of the word
"lifetime" criminal IMO.]

Post by Mike
The best SatNav we have come across was Umrat Peter Hesketh, this model
needed no updates and had unerring accuracy!

(-:


255soft.uk

[krw]

Post by SODAM

Post by LFS

Post by LFS
We have a new car, having passed our old one on to the new parents. We
can't work out how to turn off the radio.

So do we as the wife had an accident in the old one.  I can turn the
radio down to zero volume (or whatever is being played) but if I turn it
off the entire central display goes off.  I am sure that cannot be right.

That's what we have to do.

I hadn’t noticed this on my 2 year old car as “not being able to switch
off” the infotainment but that’s what I have to do as well. What galls me
is that I have to pay yearly to update the sat nav, which I don’t. This
means that every month the system switches off, showing a screen reminding
me that I must pay to update. The only way to get rid of the screen and
switch back on is to press “remind me in 28 days” - or pay. So far I’ve
had 26 reminders.
If my sat nav has lifetime free maps, why can’t a car, which costs
considerably more?

I have recently updated the 7 year old car for the first time at a cost
of £20 and we have stopped driving through fields between here and the
motorway.

[Sam Plusnet]

Post by krw

Post by SODAM

Post by LFS

Post by LFS
We have a new car, having passed our old one on to the new parents. We
can't work out how to turn off the radio.

So do we as the wife had an accident in the old one.  I can turn the
radio down to zero volume (or whatever is being played) but if I turn it
off the entire central display goes off.  I am sure that cannot be right.

That's what we have to do.

I hadn’t noticed this on my 2 year old car as “not being able to switch
off” the infotainment but that’s what I have to do as well. What galls me
is that I have to pay yearly to update the sat nav, which I don’t. This
means that every month the system switches off, showing a screen reminding
me that I must pay to update. The only way to get rid of the screen and
switch back on is to press  “remind me in 28 days” - or pay. So far I’ve
had 26 reminders.
If my sat nav has lifetime free maps, why can’t a car, which costs
considerably more?

I have recently updated the 7 year old car for the first time at a cost
of £20 and we have stopped driving through fields between here and the
motorway.

Lucky you.
I paid £25 to update the map on our car. They did update some of the
associated software but the map itself hasn't been changed.

[Nick Odell]

Post by Sam Plusnet

Post by krw

Post by SODAM

Post by LFS

Post by LFS
We have a new car, having passed our old one on to the new parents. We
can't work out how to turn off the radio.

So do we as the wife had an accident in the old one.  I can turn the
radio down to zero volume (or whatever is being played) but if I turn it
off the entire central display goes off.  I am sure that cannot be right.

That's what we have to do.

I hadn’t noticed this on my 2 year old car as “not being able to switch
off” the infotainment but that’s what I have to do as well. What galls me
is that I have to pay yearly to update the sat nav, which I don’t. This
means that every month the system switches off, showing a screen reminding
me that I must pay to update. The only way to get rid of the screen and
switch back on is to press  “remind me in 28 days” - or pay. So far I’ve
had 26 reminders.
If my sat nav has lifetime free maps, why can’t a car, which costs
considerably more?

I have recently updated the 7 year old car for the first time at a
cost of £20 and we have stopped driving through fields between here
and the motorway.

Lucky you.
I paid £25 to update the map on our car.  They did update some of the
associated software but the map itself hasn't been changed.

In these times of austerity the government hasn't had the money
available to alter any of our infrastructure. So the map updated itself
but the roads didn't.

Nick

[[e-mail] Tony Smith Prestbury Glos.]

Just back from a wet long weekend in Regensburg with an even wetter day in Landshut.

[Chris McMillan]

Post by ***@gmail.com Tony Smith Prestbury Glos.
Just back from a wet long weekend in Regensburg with an even wetter day in Landshut.

Landshut, what a name to live with!

Sincerely Chris

[[e-mail] Tony Smith Prestbury Glos.]

Well, on a Sunday it was indeed shut. A coffee shop, a Christmas market and a castle up on a hill.

[Jenny M Benson]

Post by LFS
We have a new car, having passed our old one on to the new parents. We
can't work out how to turn off the radio.

This made so much more sense on about the fourth reading, by which time
I'd realised the crucial word was CAR, not CAT.

Is it by any chance a Citroen?(1) My sis bought one a while ago and
came to the conclusion that it isn't possible to turn off the radio,
only to turn the sound right down.

[LFS]

Post by Jenny M Benson

Post by LFS
We have a new car, having passed our old one on to the new parents. We
can't work out how to turn off the radio.

This made so much more sense on about the fourth reading, by which time
I'd realised the crucial word was CAR, not CAT.

:) I have strong suspicion that we may have to adopt their cat eventually.

Post by Jenny M Benson
Is it by any chance a Citroen?(1)  My sis bought one a while ago and
came to the conclusion that it isn't possible to turn off the radio,
only to turn the sound right down.

Ours is a Ford but it sounds as if the problem is not uncommon then.

[krw]

Post by LFS

Post by Jenny M Benson

Post by LFS
We have a new car, having passed our old one on to the new parents.
We can't work out how to turn off the radio.

This made so much more sense on about the fourth reading, by which
time I'd realised the crucial word was CAR, not CAT.

:) I have strong suspicion that we may have to adopt their cat eventually.

Post by Jenny M Benson
Is it by any chance a Citroen?(1)  My sis bought one a while ago and
came to the conclusion that it isn't possible to turn off the radio,
only to turn the sound right down.

Ours is a Ford but it sounds as if the problem is not uncommon then.

VW here for what it is worth. (Well quite a lot actually judging by my
reduced bank balance.)

[Penny]

On Tue, 4 Dec 2018 13:34:24 +0000, "J. P. Gilliver (John)"

Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)
Though they can be useful (when a _bit_ older) when you can't figure out
some technology. (To quote Tom Lehrer, though he was talking about maths
teaching: "It's so simple - so very simple - that only a child can do
it!")

I've met many people who seek help from a child when it comes to opening
child-proof bottles...

[BrritSki]

Post by LFS

Post by Mike
So quiet around here, a pin-drop is deafening!

Very busy adapting to new role as grandma.

Congrats.

We are busy moving into a new house. Camped on the new beds for the
spare room last night, removers came today so we have the luxury of
sleeping on our own beds again after almost 3 months.

Shame about the mountain of boxes, lack of broadband, TV etc etc..... :/

[Serena Blanchflower]

Post by BrritSki
We are busy moving into a new house. Camped on the new beds for the
spare room last night, removers came today so we have the luxury of
sleeping on our own beds again after almost 3 months.
Shame about the mountain of boxes, lack of broadband, TV etc etc.....  :/

Good luck with getting it all how you want it and hope you're both very
happy in your new home.

One of the best pieces of advice I got, when I moved (from Jo, of this
parish), was to get my bedroom clear of boxes at the earliest
opportunity, so that there was at least one place which felt restful.

[BrritSki]

Post by Serena Blanchflower

Post by BrritSki
We are busy moving into a new house. Camped on the new beds for the
spare room last night, removers came today so we have the luxury of
sleeping on our own beds again after almost 3 months.
Shame about the mountain of boxes, lack of broadband, TV etc etc.....  :/

Good luck with getting it all how you want it and hope you're both very
happy in your new home.
One of the best pieces of advice I got, when I moved (from Jo, of this
parish), was to get my bedroom clear of boxes at the earliest
opportunity, so that there was at least one place which felt restful.

Yes, we pretty much followed that as far as we can (haven't been to IKEA
for wardrobes yet).

It was bliss sleeping in our own beds again...

[Serena Blanchflower]

Post by BrritSki

Post by Serena Blanchflower

Post by BrritSki
We are busy moving into a new house. Camped on the new beds for the
spare room last night, removers came today so we have the luxury of
sleeping on our own beds again after almost 3 months.
Shame about the mountain of boxes, lack of broadband, TV etc
etc.....  :/

Good luck with getting it all how you want it and hope you're both
very happy in your new home.
One of the best pieces of advice I got, when I moved (from Jo, of this
parish), was to get my bedroom clear of boxes at the earliest
opportunity, so that there was at least one place which felt restful.

Yes, we pretty much followed that as far as we can (haven't been to IKEA
for wardrobes yet).
It was bliss sleeping in our own beds again...

I can imagine :)

[Jim Easterbrook]

Post by Mike
So quiet around here, a pin-drop is deafening!

I'm nursing a stinking cold that's bunged up my head and made me
incapable of intelligent contribution.




What do you mean, that's never bothered me before?

[Mike]

Post by Jim Easterbrook

Post by Mike
So quiet around here, a pin-drop is deafening!

I'm nursing a stinking cold that's bunged up my head and made me
incapable of intelligent contribution.
What do you mean, that's never bothered me before?

Try some Vick dissolved in the water feeding that beam engine and then
inhale over the exhaust stack!

[Sid Nuncius]

Post by Jim Easterbrook

Post by Mike
So quiet around here, a pin-drop is deafening!

I'm nursing a stinking cold that's bunged up my head and made me
incapable of intelligent contribution.

<languid wave>
Really nasty one, this.

[krw]

Post by Sid Nuncius

Post by Jim Easterbrook

Post by Mike
So quiet around here, a pin-drop is deafening!

I'm nursing a stinking cold that's bunged up my head and made me
incapable of intelligent contribution.

<languid wave>
Really nasty one, this.

Twas wife's birthday so had two lunches and (unconnected) a football
match to attend so have been rather busy.

[Chris McMillan]

Post by krw

Post by Sid Nuncius

Post by Jim Easterbrook

Post by Mike
So quiet around here, a pin-drop is deafening!

I'm nursing a stinking cold that's bunged up my head and made me
incapable of intelligent contribution.

<languid wave>
Really nasty one, this.

Twas wife's birthday so had two lunches and (unconnected) a football
match to attend so have been rather busy.

You were lucky to be allowed a footie match! :)

Sincerely Chris

[krw]

Post by Chris McMillan

Post by krw

Post by Sid Nuncius

Post by Jim Easterbrook

Post by Mike
So quiet around here, a pin-drop is deafening!

I'm nursing a stinking cold that's bunged up my head and made me
incapable of intelligent contribution.

<languid wave>
Really nasty one, this.

Twas wife's birthday so had two lunches and (unconnected) a football
match to attend so have been rather busy.

You were lucky to be allowed a footie match! :)
Sincerely Chris

And we achieved a better result than some lately. So we sacked the
manager and don't have for tonight. He starts tomorrow.

[Vicky Ayech]

On Mon, 3 Dec 2018 08:36:32 +0000, Sid Nuncius

Post by Sid Nuncius

Post by Jim Easterbrook

Post by Mike
So quiet around here, a pin-drop is deafening!

I'm nursing a stinking cold that's bunged up my head and made me
incapable of intelligent contribution.

<languid wave>
Really nasty one, this.

Get well soon, both of you. Virtual hot toddies made by Carol all
round.

[Chris McMillan]

Post by Jim Easterbrook

Post by Mike
So quiet around here, a pin-drop is deafening!

I'm nursing a stinking cold that's bunged up my head and made me
incapable of intelligent contribution.
What do you mean, that's never bothered me before?

Keep it to yersel’, Sid. (Get well soon, ol’ bean)

Sincerely Mr and Mrs McT