S7E01 Asylum of the Daleks

[Agamemnon]

Very good opening episode.

Stephen Moffat is bringing the series back to how it was in the classic era,
setting up stuff intended to get the kids rushing behind the sofa and
writing stories which mostly take place on alien worlds and which put new
ideas in peoples' minds.

Unfortunately he's still being affected by the 45 or is it now 50 minute
format since this story could have easily twisted in a different direction
and continued for another part. It was pretty obvious that Jenna
Louise-Coleman had probably been converted by the Daleks when it was
revealed that the other members of the crew had been, but if it had been
done in the old 4 episode format episode 2 would have ended with her being
transported on board the Dalek ship in human form and taking control of it
with everyone wondering which direction the story would take in the next
episode. Instead it had to come to a conclusion early which didn't leave
much choice but to have the Doctor give Amy his bracelet thus saving her
from conversion and preventing any further development of that story line
and have Jenna Louise-Coleman save everyone by insisting that she was still
human thus brining that story line to an early conclusion too.

The story could have also easily been written an Auton story set on Earth
but for some reason Stephen Moffat decided to chose Daleks, maybe because he
already explored the idea with Auton Rory.

Skaro is back from complete destruction. No idea if the Doctor travelled
back in time to before it was destroyed or the Daleks brought it back during
the Time War.

Think the whole thing with the repitition of Doctor Who is going to go on
through the series like RTDs Bad Wolf.

Good performances from the actors all round. Liked the Emperor Dalek taking
on the mannerisms of Davros.

Probably the best Dalek story since Dalek.


10/10

[Charles E. Hardwidge]

"Agamemnon" <***@hello.to.NO_SPAM> wrote in message
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> Very good opening episode.
>
> Stephen Moffat is bringing the series back to how it was in the classic
> era, setting up stuff intended to get the kids rushing behind the sofa and
> writing stories which mostly take place on alien worlds and which put new
> ideas in peoples' minds.
>
> Unfortunately he's still being affected by the 45 or is it now 50 minute
> format since this story could have easily twisted in a different direction
> and continued for another part.

I've been suckered like that before, and your description of the show sounds
completely the opposite of what was reported of the Moffat interview.

Writing for the screen (especially movies) is especially hard as you have to
do a lot with a really, really *low* word count.

So *if* I actually watch this thing am I going to find out someone's been
lying, and if so who?

--
Charles E. Hardwidge

[Tony]

On Sep 1, 9:51 pm, "Agamemnon" <***@hello.to.NO_SPAM> wrote:

> Good performances from the actors all round. Liked the Emperor Dalek taking
> on the mannerisms of Davros.
>
President Dalek..

Which leads to a question - has the influence of the cult of Skaro
increased *that* much that the Daleks have abandoned strict militarism
(and clearly they've abandoned racial purity, if they're converting
humans again). Or is the parliament a side effect some kind of peace
treaty after the civil war.

Tony

[Agamemnon]

"Tony" <***@hoyle.me.uk> wrote in message
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On Sep 1, 9:51 pm, "Agamemnon" <***@hello.to.NO_SPAM> wrote:

> Good performances from the actors all round. Liked the Emperor Dalek
> taking
> on the mannerisms of Davros.
>
<<<President Dalek..>>>

So that was Dalek Obama then?

Doesn't look to me like he was fairly elected. He's bigger than the rest of
them for a start. Talk about equality.

<<<Which leads to a question - has the influence of the cult of Skaro
increased *that* much that the Daleks have abandoned strict militarism
(and clearly they've abandoned racial purity, if they're converting
humans again). Or is the parliament a side effect some kind of peace
treaty after the civil war.

Tony>>>

Thought the whole idea with the new plastic Daleks was that they were
supposed to be the most racially pure.

On top of that what threat were they asking to be saved from?

I was expecting an attempt to escape which could have been easily done in a
two parter but it didn't seem likely that anyone was going to escape to the
Daleks on the ship. Was there supposed to be a dark force rising? No sign of
that either.

The Daleks should now start getting up to something more substantial like
conquering planets and then the whole universe or devising some new super
weapon or something alone those lines.

[solar penguin]

Agamemnon wrote:

>
> On top of that what threat were they asking to be saved from?
>
> I was expecting an attempt to escape which could have been easily done in a
> two parter but it didn't seem likely that anyone was going to escape to the
> Daleks on the ship. Was there supposed to be a dark force rising? No sign of
> that either.

Good point. The insane Daleks were about as threatening as a chicken
vol-au-vent. The scariest thing on the planet was the nanogene cloud,
and that wouldn't affect Daleks anyway.

And despite the fact that the Daleks were supposedly afraid to go down
to the planet, the Doctor tells Amy that feeling fear isn't a Dalek
thing. That line really felt odd.

And why does someone need to go down to turn off the force field
anyway? It's not like there's a lever or big red button that needs to
be operated by hand, since Oswin did it by remote control from inside
here Dalek shell. We know the signals can get through the force field
(since they picked up Oswin's Carmen music) so they could just turn it
off from the safety of the spaceship.

The only way this all makes sense is if the Daleks were lying to the
Doctor, trying to manipulate him according to some subtle and evil
plan. But now their memories have been wiped, we'll never know what
they were really up to.

Unless... What if they'd already set up the trap for the second half
of the plan, before they forgot all about it? The trap's now left
unattended waiting to spring at the wrong time for the wrong person,
wreaking all sorts of unintended destruction. That's why the question
being asked is such a bad thing...

Well, that's what I'd like to see happen anyway.

[Don't make my brown eyes China Blue]

In article <2e473102-f52a-49ef-addc-***@d9g2000vbf.googlegroups.com>,
solar penguin <***@gmail.com> wrote:

> Agamemnon wrote:
>
> >
> > On top of that what threat were they asking to be saved from?
> >
> > I was expecting an attempt to escape which could have been easily done in a
> > two parter but it didn't seem likely that anyone was going to escape to the
> > Daleks on the ship. Was there supposed to be a dark force rising? No sign of
> > that either.
>
> Good point. The insane Daleks were about as threatening as a chicken
> vol-au-vent. The scariest thing on the planet was the nanogene cloud,
> and that wouldn't affect Daleks anyway.

They were frightenned of the dalek Oswin had become. And, as seen at the end,
with good reason.

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in <TPidnZ9NuPowHt_NnZ2dnUVZ8m-***@eclipse.net.uk>,
Agamemnon <***@hello.to.NO_SPAM> said:
>
>
> On top of that what threat were they asking to be saved from?

The "nanogenes" infected the asylum Daleks with Humanity.

[Agamemnon]

"Mark Outrage" <***@mailhub.philly.net> wrote in message
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> in <TPidnZ9NuPowHt_NnZ2dnUVZ8m-***@eclipse.net.uk>,
> Agamemnon <***@hello.to.NO_SPAM> said:
>>
>>
>> On top of that what threat were they asking to be saved from?
>
> The "nanogenes" infected the asylum Daleks with Humanity.

They were human converts to begin with. They started of that way and the
conversion didn't work.

[The Doctor]

In article <k-***@eclipse.net.uk>,
Agamemnon <***@hello.to.NO_SPAM> wrote:
>
>"Mark Outrage" <***@mailhub.philly.net> wrote in message
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>> in <TPidnZ9NuPowHt_NnZ2dnUVZ8m-***@eclipse.net.uk>,
>> Agamemnon <***@hello.to.NO_SPAM> said:
>>>
>>>
>>> On top of that what threat were they asking to be saved from?
>>
>> The "nanogenes" infected the asylum Daleks with Humanity.
>
>They were human converts to begin with. They started of that way and the
>conversion didn't work.
>
>
>

I like the guy who died in the snow.
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[Andrew M]

On 2012-09-01 21:52:44 +0000, Agamemnon said:

> On top of that what threat were they asking to be saved from?

What they wanted to eradicate was Oswin. A Dalek that believed herself
to be human and who was able to latch into their "collective mind"
would offend the Dalek sensibilities on superiority and purity in quite
fundamental ways.
It's clear from the loss of memory sequence at the end that, with the
defensive net down, Oswin had access to the Dalek shared consciousness
in a way that would have been devastating to them. Imagine the
possibility of a human being able to affect the thinking of Daleks
everywhere.

[Raymond Daley]

"Andrew M" <***@btinternet.com> wrote in message
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> On 2012-09-01 21:52:44 +0000, Agamemnon said:
>
>> On top of that what threat were they asking to be saved from?
>
> What they wanted to eradicate was Oswin. A Dalek that believed herself to
> be human

Has been done before. As a novel.
And a very good one too, basically all they've done is stolen most of it and
slashed a lot.

[The Doctor]

In article <xFV0s.165735$***@fx28.am4>,
Raymond Daley <***@ntlworld.com> wrote:
>
>"Andrew M" <***@btinternet.com> wrote in message
>news:2012090218422274747-***@btinternetcom...
>> On 2012-09-01 21:52:44 +0000, Agamemnon said:
>>
>>> On top of that what threat were they asking to be saved from?
>>
>> What they wanted to eradicate was Oswin. A Dalek that believed herself to
>> be human
>
>Has been done before. As a novel.
>And a very good one too, basically all they've done is stolen most of it and
>slashed a lot.
>
>

Hold on the what you are. That will force the angtagoinst to do something.
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[Agamemnon]

"Andrew M" <***@btinternet.com> wrote in message
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> On 2012-09-01 21:52:44 +0000, Agamemnon said:
>
>> On top of that what threat were they asking to be saved from?
>
> What they wanted to eradicate was Oswin. A Dalek that believed herself

They didn't even recognise who she was.

> to be human and who was able to latch into their "collective mind" would
> offend the Dalek sensibilities on superiority and purity in quite
> fundamental ways.
> It's clear from the loss of memory sequence at the end that, with the
> defensive net down, Oswin had access to the Dalek shared consciousness in
> a way that would have been devastating to them. Imagine the

Only with the forcefield down.

> possibility of a human being able to affect the thinking of Daleks
> everywhere.
>

[Ross]

On Sep 4, 1:35 pm, "Agamemnon" <***@hello.to.NO_SPAM> wrote:
> "Andrew M" <***@btinternet.com> wrote in message
>
> news:2012090218422274747-***@btinternetcom...
>
> > On 2012-09-01 21:52:44 +0000, Agamemnon said:
>
> >> On top of that what threat were they asking to be saved from?
>
> > What they wanted to eradicate was Oswin. A Dalek that believed herself
>
> They didn't even recognise who she was.
>
> > to be human and who was able to latch into their "collective mind" would
> > offend the Dalek sensibilities on superiority and purity in quite
> > fundamental ways.
> > It's clear  from the loss of memory sequence at the end that, with the
> > defensive net down, Oswin had access to the Dalek shared consciousness in
> > a way that would have been devastating to them. Imagine the
>
> Only with the forcefield down.
>
>

We can take the Daleks at their word in part; the fact that an earth
ship had breached the defenses and crashed with survivors meant that
the defenses weren't inpenetrable. Oswin was the thing the Daleks
weren't telling the Doctor: the specific threat they didn't want
getting out. There are other hints; the daleks keep the asylum because
they find it anathema to destroy other daleks who are still
"beautiful" in their hatred -- they only become willing to destroy the
asylum when there is a Dalek inside who *doesn't hate*.


(Did anyone else think Amy was uncharacteristically stupid? I sorted
out what had happened (mostly; I thought Oswin was an inmate in the
asylum from the beginning, not a human who was converted by
"accident") as soon as the Doctor first asked where she got the milk.
Seems like we've seen Amy be clever enough in the past to cotton on to
what he's getting at, but this time she just dismisses him as being
silly.)

[Stephen Wilson]

"Ross" <***@trenchcoatsoft.com> wrote in message
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On Sep 4, 1:35 pm, "Agamemnon" <***@hello.to.NO_SPAM> wrote:
>> "Andrew M" <***@btinternet.com> wrote in message
>>
>> news:2012090218422274747-***@btinternetcom...
>>
>> > On 2012-09-01 21:52:44 +0000, Agamemnon said:
>>
>> >> On top of that what threat were they asking to be saved from?
>>
>> > What they wanted to eradicate was Oswin. A Dalek that believed herself
>>
>> They didn't even recognise who she was.
>>
>> > to be human and who was able to latch into their "collective mind"
>> > would
>> > offend the Dalek sensibilities on superiority and purity in quite
>> > fundamental ways.
>> > It's clear from the loss of memory sequence at the end that, with the
>> > defensive net down, Oswin had access to the Dalek shared consciousness
>> > in
>> > a way that would have been devastating to them. Imagine the
>>
>> Only with the forcefield down.
>>
>>
>
>We can take the Daleks at their word in part; the fact that an earth
>ship had breached the defenses and crashed with survivors meant that
>the defenses weren't inpenetrable. Oswin was the thing the Daleks
>weren't telling the Doctor: the specific threat they didn't want
>getting out. There are other hints; the daleks keep the asylum because
>they find it anathema to destroy other daleks who are still
>"beautiful" in their hatred -- they only become willing to destroy the
>asylum when there is a Dalek inside who *doesn't hate*.
>
>
>(Did anyone else think Amy was uncharacteristically stupid? I sorted
>out what had happened (mostly; I thought Oswin was an inmate in the
>asylum from the beginning, not a human who was converted by
>"accident") as soon as the Doctor first asked where she got the milk.
>Seems like we've seen Amy be clever enough in the past to cotton on to
>what he's getting at, but this time she just dismisses him as being
>silly.)

I thought that the Daleks managed to capture the Doctor, Amy and Rory with
too much ease. If it was that easy to locate them, why didn't they do it
years ago?
I couldn't see the point of the Dalek eyestick popping out of the
"possessed" human's foreheads (or how the human managed to function as half
their brain must have been removed to accommodate it).
I thought Amy and Rory's break-up happened too quickly and seemed unlikely.
I thought Skaro and the Daleks were meant to have been destroyed in the
Timewar along with Gallifrey and all the Time Lords.
I couldn't work out what the bracelets were meant to do. If Amy lost hers,
did the act of wearing the Doctor's cure her? If the Doctor was infected,
did he get cured by wearing a bracelet once they'd left the planet?
I thought the idea of the dead being reanimated was silly.
In fact I thought a lot of things!!

[Ross]

On Sep 5, 12:19 pm, "Stephen Wilson"
<***@ntlworld.com> wrote:
> "Ross" <***@trenchcoatsoft.com> wrote in message
>
> news:c9bc7cfd-d4a5-44c0-9cf8-***@u15g2000yql.googlegroups.com...
> On Sep 4, 1:35 pm, "Agamemnon" <***@hello.to.NO_SPAM> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> >> "Andrew M" <***@btinternet.com> wrote in message
>
> >>news:2012090218422274747-***@btinternetcom...
>
> >> > On 2012-09-01 21:52:44 +0000, Agamemnon said:
>
> >> >> On top of that what threat were they asking to be saved from?
>
> >> > What they wanted to eradicate was Oswin. A Dalek that believed herself
>
> >> They didn't even recognise who she was.
>
> >> > to be human and who was able to latch into their "collective mind"
> >> > would
> >> > offend the Dalek sensibilities on superiority and purity in quite
> >> > fundamental ways.
> >> > It's clear from the loss of memory sequence at the end that, with the
> >> > defensive net down, Oswin had access to the Dalek shared consciousness
> >> > in
> >> > a way that would have been devastating to them. Imagine the
>
> >> Only with the forcefield down.
>
> >We can take the Daleks at their word in part; the fact that an earth
> >ship had breached the defenses and crashed with survivors meant that
> >the defenses weren't inpenetrable. Oswin was the thing the Daleks
> >weren't telling the Doctor: the specific threat they didn't want
> >getting out. There are other hints; the daleks keep the asylum because
> >they find it anathema to destroy other daleks who are still
> >"beautiful" in their hatred -- they only become willing to destroy the
> >asylum when there is a Dalek inside who *doesn't hate*.
>
> >(Did anyone else think Amy was uncharacteristically stupid? I sorted
> >out what had happened (mostly; I thought Oswin was an inmate in the
> >asylum from the beginning, not a human who was converted by
> >"accident") as soon as the Doctor first asked where she got the milk.
> >Seems like we've seen Amy be clever enough in the past to cotton on to
> >what he's getting at, but this time she just dismisses him as being
> >silly.)
>
> I thought that the Daleks managed to capture the Doctor, Amy and Rory with
> too much ease. If it was that easy to locate them, why didn't they do it
> years ago?

I suspect that it was meant to hint that the Doctor is getting
reckless due to having been on his own for so long

> I couldn't see the point of the Dalek eyestick popping out of the
> "possessed" human's foreheads (or how the human managed to function as half
> their brain must have been removed to accommodate it).

We already have almost seven years of precident for nanotechnology
being able to do these sorts of things

> I thought Amy and Rory's break-up happened too quickly and seemed unlikely.

I think there have been hints all along of there being something
dysfunctional in their relationship -- I'm more surprised it was so
easily resolved. There's always been a sense with Amy and Rory that
however much she loves him, she's never really been *satisfied* with
him the way he is with her.

> I thought Skaro and the Daleks were meant to have been destroyed in the
> Timewar along with Gallifrey and all the Time Lords.

And Davros has died like three times now. Pesky thing, this time war.
Skaro also appeared in THe Adventure Games, as an abandoned, ruined
planet which the Daleks started to reclaim

> I couldn't work out what the bracelets were meant to do. If Amy lost hers,
> did the act of wearing the Doctor's cure her? If the Doctor was infected,
> did he get cured by wearing a bracelet once they'd left the planet?

It would have been nice to have just a few words somewhere about how
the damage was undone afterward, since giving amy the bracelet was
supposed to just slow the process down, not undo it.

Rory tosses off a short line to the effect of saying that the Doctor,
being an alien, didn't need his bracelet as much as they did, though
it is not clear why he would think this.

> I thought the idea of the dead being reanimated was silly.
> In fact I thought a lot of things!!- Hide quoted text -


I just want to know why the Daleks had a ten story tall hollowed out
giant dalek on Skaro, and yet we NEVER get to see the Doctor right a
giant dalek in a hot air balloon

[Monsieur Tabernac]

On Wed, 5 Sep 2012 09:55:59 -0700 (PDT), Ross
<***@trenchcoatsoft.com> wrote:

>On Sep 5, 12:19 pm, "Stephen Wilson"
><***@ntlworld.com> wrote:
>> I thought Skaro and the Daleks were meant to have been destroyed in the
>> Timewar along with Gallifrey and all the Time Lords.
>
>And Davros has died like three times now. Pesky thing, this time war.
>Skaro also appeared in THe Adventure Games, as an abandoned, ruined
>planet which the Daleks started to reclaim

The largest effect of the Time War seem to be that the Time Lords and
Daleks were "erased" from ever existing; I'm not sure this would apply
to their home planets as well (it would kill all the Thals on Skaro
for one thing). Despite being reduced to dust (as the Doctor tells
Rose in "End of the World"), Gallifrey might not have been destroyed
if the final battle didn't occur there and it was time locked (or
whatever).

Near the end of "Victory of the Daleks", the new Daleks tell the
Doctor that they intend to return to their own time and rebuild their
species -- possibly they returned to an early Skaro, wiped out the
Thals and started again there (nostalgia and all).

[The Doctor]

In article <***@4ax.com>,
Monsieur Tabernac <***@NOSPAM4MEhotmail.com> wrote:
>On Wed, 5 Sep 2012 09:55:59 -0700 (PDT), Ross
><***@trenchcoatsoft.com> wrote:
>
>>On Sep 5, 12:19 pm, "Stephen Wilson"
>><***@ntlworld.com> wrote:
>>> I thought Skaro and the Daleks were meant to have been destroyed in the
>>> Timewar along with Gallifrey and all the Time Lords.
>>
>>And Davros has died like three times now. Pesky thing, this time war.
>>Skaro also appeared in THe Adventure Games, as an abandoned, ruined
>>planet which the Daleks started to reclaim
>
>The largest effect of the Time War seem to be that the Time Lords and
>Daleks were "erased" from ever existing; I'm not sure this would apply
>to their home planets as well (it would kill all the Thals on Skaro
>for one thing). Despite being reduced to dust (as the Doctor tells
>Rose in "End of the World"), Gallifrey might not have been destroyed
>if the final battle didn't occur there and it was time locked (or
>whatever).
>
>Near the end of "Victory of the Daleks", the new Daleks tell the
>Doctor that they intend to return to their own time and rebuild their
>species -- possibly they returned to an early Skaro, wiped out the
>Thals and started again there (nostalgia and all).
>

Thals could be be at war with the Daleks like the Movellans.
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[solar penguin]

The Doctor wrote:

>
> Thals could be be at war with the Daleks like the Movellans.
> --

But the Movellans weren't really at war with the Daleks. They were
just pretending so that the Dalek Supreme could eventually trick
Davros into destroying Antallin instead of Skaro...

[The Doctor]

In article <bbbeee46-fd0a-4549-b7ae-***@q20g2000vbx.googlegroups.com>,
solar penguin <***@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>The Doctor wrote:
>
>>
>> Thals could be be at war with the Daleks like the Movellans.
>> --
>
>But the Movellans weren't really at war with the Daleks. They were
>just pretending so that the Dalek Supreme could eventually trick
>Davros into destroying Antallin instead of Skaro...

I doubt that.
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[solar penguin]

The Doctor wrote:

> In article <bbbeee46-fd0a-4549-b7ae-***@q20g2000vbx.googlegroups.com>,
> solar penguin <***@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> >The Doctor wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> Thals could be be at war with the Daleks like the Movellans.
> >> --
> >
> >But the Movellans weren't really at war with the Daleks. They were
> >just pretending so that the Dalek Supreme could eventually trick
> >Davros into destroying Antallin instead of Skaro...
>
> I doubt that.
> --

Yes, but you doubt lots of things, don't you Yads?. You're like the
Doubting Thomas of radw.

But that doesn't change the fact that this is what was in the book. I
don't particularly like it either. But it's there.

[The Doctor]

In article <86b87167-c3ee-44f5-a3fb-***@s5g2000vbj.googlegroups.com>,
solar penguin <***@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>The Doctor wrote:
>
>> In article <bbbeee46-fd0a-4549-b7ae-***@q20g2000vbx.googlegroups.com>,
>> solar penguin <***@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> >The Doctor wrote:
>> >
>> >>
>> >> Thals could be be at war with the Daleks like the Movellans.
>> >> --
>> >
>> >But the Movellans weren't really at war with the Daleks. They were
>> >just pretending so that the Dalek Supreme could eventually trick
>> >Davros into destroying Antallin instead of Skaro...
>>
>> I doubt that.
>> --
>
>Yes, but you doubt lots of things, don't you Yads?. You're like the
>Doubting Thomas of radw.
>
>But that doesn't change the fact that this is what was in the book. I
>don't particularly like it either. But it's there.

The Movellans worked out how to beat the Daleks and Davros.
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[solar penguin]

The Doctor wrote:

> In article <86b87167-c3ee-44f5-a3fb-***@s5g2000vbj.googlegroups.com>,
> solar penguin <***@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> >The Doctor wrote:
> >
> >> In article <bbbeee46-fd0a-4549-b7ae-***@q20g2000vbx.googlegroups.com>,
> >> solar penguin <***@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >The Doctor wrote:
> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >> Thals could be be at war with the Daleks like the Movellans.
> >> >> --
> >> >
> >> >But the Movellans weren't really at war with the Daleks. They were
> >> >just pretending so that the Dalek Supreme could eventually trick
> >> >Davros into destroying Antallin instead of Skaro...
> >>
> >> I doubt that.
> >> --
> >
> >Yes, but you doubt lots of things, don't you Yads?. You're like the
> >Doubting Thomas of radw.
> >
> >But that doesn't change the fact that this is what was in the book. I
> >don't particularly like it either. But it's there.
>
> The Movellans worked out how to beat the Daleks and Davros.
> --

No, that's what Davros and the Doctor were supposed to think. But in
reality the Movellans were secretly working with the Dalek supreme
against Davros.

[Ross]

On Sep 5, 1:36 pm, Monsieur Tabernac <***@NOSPAM4MEhotmail.com>
wrote:
> On Wed, 5 Sep 2012 09:55:59 -0700 (PDT), Ross
>
> <***@trenchcoatsoft.com> wrote:
> >On Sep 5, 12:19 pm, "Stephen Wilson"
> ><***@ntlworld.com> wrote:
> >> I thought Skaro and the Daleks were meant to have been destroyed in the
> >> Timewar along with Gallifrey and all the Time Lords.
>
> >And Davros has died like three times now. Pesky thing, this time war.
> >Skaro also appeared in THe Adventure Games, as an abandoned, ruined
> >planet which the Daleks started to reclaim
>
> The largest effect of the Time War seem to be that the Time Lords and
> Daleks were "erased" from ever existing; I'm not sure this would apply
> to their home planets as well (it would kill all the Thals on Skaro
> for one thing).  Despite being reduced to dust (as the Doctor tells
> Rose in "End of the World"), Gallifrey might not have been destroyed
> if the final battle didn't occur there and it was time locked (or
> whatever).

"erased" may be misleading; it's more like they were torn out of time.
We're seeing more and more indications of what that might look like,
with things such as the "fossils" left behind by the Pandorica
Alliance when the universe collapsed, or things like a photo of Rory
in centurion armor surviving even after Rory had been erased. It's
possible that the Skaro we saw was a "fossil" similar to the stone
Daleks.

On the other hand, we don't actually know that Skaro fell within the
time lock of the war; if the Daleks had already abandoned Skaro before
the war, it might have been excluded.

>
> Near the end of "Victory of the Daleks", the new Daleks tell the
> Doctor that they intend to return to their own time and rebuild their
> species -- possibly they returned to an early Skaro, wiped out the
> Thals and started again there (nostalgia and all).

The Adventure Games seems to support that interpretation, apparently
having the New Paradigm daleks re-colonize Skaro possibly in the 1960s.

[solar penguin]

Stephen Wilson wrote:

> I couldn't see the point of the Dalek eyestick popping out of the
> "possessed" human's foreheads (or how the human managed to function as half
> their brain must have been removed to accommodate it).

Never underestimate the adaptability of brain cells.

There is a real-life disease in humans, whose name I can't remember
and haven't had any luck finding on Google (sorry) , that causes the
membrane around an infant's brain to swell up, killing the brain cells
beneath it. When the membrane finally shrinks back to normal size,
the child is left with about half a brain, mostly stem with very
little cortex and a lot of empty space inside the skull. Despite
this, they usually grow up to be normal, intelligent adults, with no
sign of only having half a brain.

So, I don't see why brains shouldn't cope with concealed eyestalks
just as easily. Or alternatively, the eyestalk may be stored inside a
dimensionally transcendental container that's the thickness of a piece
of paper stuck to the inside of the skull.

[Charles E. Hardwidge]

"solar penguin" <***@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:71dd50db-0f9e-482e-ad1e-***@d9g2000vbf.googlegroups.com...

> Never underestimate the adaptability of brain cells.
>
> There is a real-life disease in humans, whose name I can't remember
> and haven't had any luck finding on Google (sorry) , that causes the
> membrane around an infant's brain to swell up, killing the brain cells
> beneath it. When the membrane finally shrinks back to normal size,
> the child is left with about half a brain, mostly stem with very
> little cortex and a lot of empty space inside the skull. Despite
> this, they usually grow up to be normal, intelligent adults, with no
> sign of only having half a brain.
>
> So, I don't see why brains shouldn't cope with concealed eyestalks
> just as easily. Or alternatively, the eyestalk may be stored inside a
> dimensionally transcendental container that's the thickness of a piece
> of paper stuck to the inside of the skull.

Outrageous exposition has its place but beyond a certain point you have to
wonder if people aren't just throwing ideas out there to create talking
points for a fandom that will backwards rationalise anything.

Stories are all about immersion and if you're throwing rocks into people's
pond and need to explain them afterwards you're not storytelling, and
there's just too much of this which makes me think Moffat just likes taking
pokes and seeing people run around like headless chickens.

In spite of Moffat's claims of intellectual content he pokes and prods, and
rushes past things far too fast. I actually ignored all the obvious
criticisms in one topic and focused exclusively on the hardcore
philosophical issues and guess what? Might as well have been talking to
myself because people are more interested in the thrill of the game than
working through anything with value.

--
Charles E. Hardwidge

[Ross]

On Sep 5, 4:27 pm, "Charles E. Hardwidge" <***@nospam.invalid>
wrote:
> "solar penguin" <***@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:71dd50db-0f9e-482e-ad1e-***@d9g2000vbf.googlegroups.com...
>
> > Never underestimate the adaptability of brain cells.
>
> > There is a real-life disease in humans, whose name I can't remember
> > and haven't had any luck finding on Google (sorry) , that causes the
> > membrane around an infant's brain to swell up, killing the brain cells
> > beneath it.  When the membrane finally shrinks back to normal size,
> > the child is left with about half a brain, mostly stem with very
> > little cortex and a lot of empty space inside the skull.  Despite
> > this, they usually grow up to be normal, intelligent adults, with no
> > sign of only having half a brain.
>
> > So, I don't see why brains shouldn't cope with concealed eyestalks
> > just as easily.  Or alternatively, the eyestalk may be stored inside a
> > dimensionally transcendental container that's the thickness of a piece
> > of paper stuck to the inside of the skull.
>
> Outrageous exposition has its place but beyond a certain point you have to
> wonder if people aren't just throwing ideas out there to create talking
> points for a fandom that will backwards rationalise anything.
>
> Stories are all about immersion and if you're throwing rocks into people's
> pond and need to explain them afterwards you're not storytelling, and
> there's just too much of this which makes me think Moffat just likes taking
> pokes and seeing people run around like headless chickens.
>
> In spite of Moffat's claims of intellectual content he pokes and prods, and
> rushes past things far too fast. I actually ignored all the obvious
> criticisms in one topic and focused exclusively on the hardcore
> philosophical issues and guess what? Might as well have been talking to
> myself because people are more interested in the thrill of the game than
> working through anything with value.
>
> --
> Charles E. Hardwidge

You understand, don't you, that "How could they still think with the
reduction in brain size necessary to accomodate the dalek implants" is
actually the thing that is "fans bending over backwards" to find fault
over anything, right?

I mean, any normal viewer wouldn't care at all, and even a very
thoughtful viewer would only have to go as far as "Well that makes
sense, given that the Daleks are more advanced than the civilizatons
that created the Headless Monks or the Empty Child"

[Charles E. Hardwidge]

"Ross" <***@trenchcoatsoft.com> wrote in message
news:415f10c6-fc4b-48f3-a4e3-***@a11g2000yqb.googlegroups.com...

> You understand, don't you, that "How could they still think with the
> reduction in brain size necessary to accomodate the dalek implants" is
> actually the thing that is "fans bending over backwards" to find fault
> over anything, right?
>
> I mean, any normal viewer wouldn't care at all, and even a very
> thoughtful viewer would only have to go as far as "Well that makes
> sense, given that the Daleks are more advanced than the civilizatons
> that created the Headless Monks or the Empty Child"

I think people do notice bad storytelling and the dalek implants among other
things is one example but the whole nerd thing escapes me.

You're probably right about normal people dismissing the thing as just magic
and moving on but I also think they're being done a disservice and issues
which could be crafted, developed, and paced better would create a story
with more value to people.

Okay, so we have a story that appeals to kids and nerds but that's a really
low bar. Games were around this level a decade ago when Who was respected as
character led sci-fi. Now things are the other way around with many games
having well formed stories and Who being a blizzard of gimmicks. Are you
sure people don't care about this, or is it just that they've just made an
accommodation with the fact they don't have a choice?

--
Charles E. Hardwidge

[MDS]

Charles E. Hardwidge wrote:
>
> "Ross" <***@trenchcoatsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:415f10c6-fc4b-48f3-a4e3-***@a11g2000yqb.googlegroups.com...
>
> > You understand, don't you, that "How could they still think with the
> > reduction in brain size necessary to accomodate the dalek implants" is
> > actually the thing that is "fans bending over backwards" to find fault
> > over anything, right?
> >
> > I mean, any normal viewer wouldn't care at all, and even a very
> > thoughtful viewer would only have to go as far as "Well that makes
> > sense, given that the Daleks are more advanced than the civilizatons
> > that created the Headless Monks or the Empty Child"
>
> I think people do notice bad storytelling and the dalek implants among other
> things is one example but the whole nerd thing escapes me.
>
> You're probably right about normal people dismissing the thing as just magic
> and moving on but I also think they're being done a disservice and issues
> which could be crafted, developed, and paced better would create a story
> with more value to people.
>
> Okay, so we have a story that appeals to kids and nerds but that's a really
> low bar. Games were around this level a decade ago when Who was respected as
> character led sci-fi. Now things are the other way around with many games
> having well formed stories and Who being a blizzard of gimmicks. Are you
> sure people don't care about this, or is it just that they've just made an
> accommodation with the fact they don't have a choice?
>
> --
> Charles E. Hardwidge



Doctor Who is a nerd show, genius. Deal with it.


--
MDS (Mister Doctor Sir)

[solar penguin]

Charles E. Hardwidge wrote:

>
> Okay, so we have a story that appeals to kids and nerds but that's a really
> low bar. Games were around this level a decade ago when Who was respected as
> character led sci-fi.

A decade ago Who wasn't respected as anything. It was a forgotten,
distant relic of the past, that only obsessives cared about.

> Now things are the other way around with many games
> having well formed stories

So nowadays when people play a game of snooker or darts they read
stories to each other while they're doing it!?! What are you talking
about?

[Charles E. Hardwidge]

"solar penguin" <***@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:790aca2f-26a3-4c68-b402-***@e9g2000vbv.googlegroups.com...
> Charles E. Hardwidge wrote:
>
>> Okay, so we have a story that appeals to kids and nerds but that's a
>> really low bar. Games were around this level a decade ago when Who was
>> respected as character led sci-fi.
>
> A decade ago Who wasn't respected as anything. It was a forgotten,
> distant relic of the past, that only obsessives cared about.
>
>> Now things are the other way around with many games
>> having well formed stories
>
> So nowadays when people play a game of snooker or darts they read
> stories to each other while they're doing it!?! What are you talking
> about?

I'm talking about my own experience with US people who watched Who because
of its character driven stories as a refreshing alternative to US sci-fi
which was more geared to empty action.

What I said in the companion post about conciseness and people not having
the first clue about the subject material? I think about 90% of the world
out there gets that games and storylines refers to computer games.

--
Charles E. Hardwidge

[solar penguin]

Charles E. Hardwidge wrote:

> "solar penguin" <***@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:790aca2f-26a3-4c68-b402-***@e9g2000vbv.googlegroups.com...
> > Charles E. Hardwidge wrote:
> >
> >> Okay, so we have a story that appeals to kids and nerds but that's a
> >> really low bar. Games were around this level a decade ago when Who was
> >> respected as character led sci-fi.
> >
> > A decade ago Who wasn't respected as anything. It was a forgotten,
> > distant relic of the past, that only obsessives cared about.
> >
>
> I'm talking about my own experience with US people who watched Who because
> of its character driven stories as a refreshing alternative to US sci-fi
> which was more geared to empty action.

Ah, thanks for clearing that up. (And it proves my point about you
not being a clear communicator. After all, radw's not full of
telepaths all reading your mind to know which country you just happen
to be talking about.)

Anyway, now you've cleared it up, the change you're talking about was
not over a decade but 20 years or more. And in that time TV and movie
drama has changed a lot. Like I said in the other post, it's no
longer about immersion in a story, but about providing a series of
scenes to look at from the outside.

The explanation/excuse usually given is that today's audiences are too
media-savvy to allow themselves to be immersed in the story world, as
if immersion is somehow a Bad Thing. (As you've probably guessed I'm
not convinced by their argument.)

So, yeah, there has been a big change in the type of stories told by
DW but that's only because its echoing the changes made to drama in
general.

>
> >> Now things are the other way around with many games
> >> having well formed stories
> >
> > So nowadays when people play a game of snooker or darts they read
> > stories to each other while they're doing it!?! What are you talking
> > about?
>
> What I said in the companion post about conciseness and people not having
> the first clue about the subject material? I think about 90% of the world
> out there gets that games and storylines refers to computer games.
>

And you still insist you're not a geek or a nerd...?

[Charles E. Hardwidge]

"solar penguin" <***@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:cc54abcf-1b1d-4996-8088-***@ft6g2000vbb.googlegroups.com...
> Charles E. Hardwidge wrote:
>
>> I'm talking about my own experience with US people who watched Who
>> because of its character driven stories as a refreshing alternative to US
>> sci-fi which was more geared to empty action.
>
> Ah, thanks for clearing that up. (And it proves my point about you
> not being a clear communicator. After all, radw's not full of
> telepaths all reading your mind to know which country you just happen
> to be talking about.)

Nice try with trying to stick it too me (then grab ownership of everything I
said and slap a label on for good measure).

Not interested.

--
Charles E. Hardwidge

[MDS]

Charles E. Hardwidge wrote:
>
> "solar penguin" <***@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:cc54abcf-1b1d-4996-8088-***@ft6g2000vbb.googlegroups.com...
> > Charles E. Hardwidge wrote:
> >
> >> I'm talking about my own experience with US people who watched Who
> >> because of its character driven stories as a refreshing alternative to US
> >> sci-fi which was more geared to empty action.
> >
> > Ah, thanks for clearing that up. (And it proves my point about you
> > not being a clear communicator. After all, radw's not full of
> > telepaths all reading your mind to know which country you just happen
> > to be talking about.)
>
> Nice try with trying to stick it too me (then grab ownership of everything I
> said and slap a label on for good measure).
>
> Not interested.
>
> --
> Charles E. Hardwidge


I'll bet you got a hardon watching dogs crap when you were little, eh
Charlie?



--
MDS (Mister Doctor Sir)

[solar penguin]

Charles E. Hardwidge wrote:

> "solar penguin" <***@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:cc54abcf-1b1d-4996-8088-***@ft6g2000vbb.googlegroups.com...
> > Charles E. Hardwidge wrote:
> >
> >> I'm talking about my own experience with US people who watched Who
> >> because of its character driven stories as a refreshing alternative to US
> >> sci-fi which was more geared to empty action.
> >
> > Ah, thanks for clearing that up. (And it proves my point about you
> > not being a clear communicator. After all, radw's not full of
> > telepaths all reading your mind to know which country you just happen
> > to be talking about.)
>
> Nice try with trying to stick it too me (then grab ownership of everything I
> said and slap a label on for good measure).

Don't shoot the messenger. I don't need to try to stick anything to
anybody. I'm just stating the facts and letting them speak for
themselves, no more, no less.

(And what you keep dismissing as "headlines" or "labels" are really
just concise ways of expressing ideas. The fact you think this is a
bad thing, confirms once again that you're not a natural
communicator.)

>
> Not interested.
>

That's one of those phrases like "Let's agree to disagree," which
really means, "I've obviously lost the argument, but I'm too stubborn
to admit it."

[Charles E. Hardwidge]

You can say believe you like but "not interested" still applies. I've really
had enough of the net this week and you can take the flamebait somewhere
else, or get perma-killfiled like the other hero that tried it on.

--
Charles E. Hardwidge

[MDS]

Charles E. Hardwidge wrote:
>
> You can say believe you like but "not interested" still applies. I've really
> had enough of the net this week and you can take the flamebait somewhere
> else, or get perma-killfiled like the other hero that tried it on.
>
> --
> Charles E. Hardwidge


The thing about killfiling someone is that it doesn't keep others and
newcomers from seeing people he's killfiled pointing out what an ass he
is.



--
MDS (Mister Doctor Sir)

[solar penguin]

Charles E. Hardwidge wrote:

>
> Stories are all about immersion and if you're throwing rocks into people's
> pond and need to explain them afterwards you're not storytelling,

Interesting point. But unfortunately nowadays, most TV and movie
drama, not just Who, is no longer about immersion or storytelling.
It's about providing a succession of interesting scenes for us to look
at, while we remain firmly on the outside looking in.

> In spite of Moffat's claims of intellectual content he pokes and prods, and
> rushes past things far too fast. I actually ignored all the obvious
> criticisms in one topic and focused exclusively on the hardcore
> philosophical issues and guess what? Might as well have been talking to
> myself because people are more interested in the thrill of the game than
> working through anything with value.

I think that's more because you're not the world's greatest
communicator. You have trouble putting things concisely and
succinctly, especially when dealing with complex, abstract,
philosophical ideas.

You seemed to be saying something about how the Doctor was wrong
because anger and hatred can obviously be beautiful at times, since
otherwise people would never be tempted by them in the first place.
But beyond that general idea, I honestly don't know what precise,
specific point you were trying make. So it's very hard to reply.

However, I'll just point out that Moffat has always been interested in
treating Dr Who as a fairy tale, divorced from reality. In fairy
tales beauty is always associated with the pure of heart, and Moffat
seems to be applying that rule to DW now.

[Charles E. Hardwidge]

"solar penguin" <***@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:46ee223f-36bd-4cb7-86fa-***@s2g2000vbj.googlegroups.com...
> Charles E. Hardwidge wrote:
>
>> In spite of Moffat's claims of intellectual content he pokes and prods,
>> and rushes past things far too fast. I actually ignored all the obvious
>> criticisms in one topic and focused exclusively on the hardcore
>> philosophical issues and guess what? Might as well have been talking to
>> myself because people are more interested in the thrill of the game than
>> working through anything with value.
>
> I think that's more because you're not the world's greatest
> communicator. You have trouble putting things concisely and
> succinctly, especially when dealing with complex, abstract,
> philosophical ideas.

Maybe I'm just too concise and too lazy to write something up properly in
long form. You wouldn't believe the number of people online who complained I
wrote too much and they didn't even have the beginnings of familiarity with
the material. Yes, this did wreck my writing so all you get now is a series
of notes but if all you ever do is roll up to complain you won't even get
that. Read up on this shit yourself or go back to nitpicking your way
through some oddball DVD realise for all I care.

--
Charles E. Hardwidge

[solar penguin]

Charles E. Hardwidge wrote:

> "solar penguin" <***@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:46ee223f-36bd-4cb7-86fa-***@s2g2000vbj.googlegroups.com...
> > Charles E. Hardwidge wrote:
> >
> >> In spite of Moffat's claims of intellectual content he pokes and prods,
> >> and rushes past things far too fast. I actually ignored all the obvious
> >> criticisms in one topic and focused exclusively on the hardcore
> >> philosophical issues and guess what? Might as well have been talking to
> >> myself because people are more interested in the thrill of the game than
> >> working through anything with value.
> >
> > I think that's more because you're not the world's greatest
> > communicator. You have trouble putting things concisely and
> > succinctly, especially when dealing with complex, abstract,
> > philosophical ideas.
>
> Maybe I'm just too concise and too lazy to write something up properly in
> long form. You wouldn't believe the number of people online who complained I
> wrote too much

I probably would believe it. I'm fairly open minded about these
things.

> and they didn't even have the beginnings of familiarity with
> the material.

Yes, you do have an awkward habit of assuming that other people should
have the same level of specialist knowledge as you, and that we're
stupid if we don't.

Try to remember that intelligence is not the same as specialist
knowledge, and having one doesn't automatically mean having the other
as well.

> Yes, this did wreck my writing so all you get now is a series
> of notes

Concise doesn't mean a disjointed series of notes. It means providing
just the essential information on something. Your post provided very
little actual information.

> but if all you ever do is roll up to complain you won't even get
> that.

Never mind. I can probably live without it.

> Read up on this shit yourself or go back to nitpicking your way
> through some oddball DVD realise for all I care.

Shows how observant you are. In case you didn't notice I haven't
nitpicked any oddball DVD releases for months now!

(But maybe I'll nitpick an odd spoken-word CD release if anyone's
interested.)

[Charles E. Hardwidge]

"solar penguin" <***@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:0cb13230-ded4-4040-ad94-***@s2g2000vbj.googlegroups.com...
> Charles E. Hardwidge wrote:

>> Maybe I'm just too concise and too lazy to write something up properly in
>> long form. You wouldn't believe the number of people online who
>> complained I wrote too much
>
> I probably would believe it. I'm fairly open minded about these
> things.

Someone will complain whatever you do.

I had two posts in draft that dig into two issues but as some people can't
get beyond headlines and ego I deleted them.

That is all. Carry on...

--
Charles E. Hardwidge

[The Doctor]

In article <***@RADW.USENET>, MDS <***@RADW.USENET> wrote:
>Charles E. Hardwidge wrote:
>>
>> "Ross" <***@trenchcoatsoft.com> wrote in message
>> news:415f10c6-fc4b-48f3-a4e3-***@a11g2000yqb.googlegroups.com...
>>
>> > You understand, don't you, that "How could they still think with the
>> > reduction in brain size necessary to accomodate the dalek implants" is
>> > actually the thing that is "fans bending over backwards" to find fault
>> > over anything, right?
>> >
>> > I mean, any normal viewer wouldn't care at all, and even a very
>> > thoughtful viewer would only have to go as far as "Well that makes
>> > sense, given that the Daleks are more advanced than the civilizatons
>> > that created the Headless Monks or the Empty Child"
>>
>> I think people do notice bad storytelling and the dalek implants among other
>> things is one example but the whole nerd thing escapes me.
>>
>> You're probably right about normal people dismissing the thing as just magic
>> and moving on but I also think they're being done a disservice and issues
>> which could be crafted, developed, and paced better would create a story
>> with more value to people.
>>
>> Okay, so we have a story that appeals to kids and nerds but that's a really
>> low bar. Games were around this level a decade ago when Who was respected as
>> character led sci-fi. Now things are the other way around with many games
>> having well formed stories and Who being a blizzard of gimmicks. Are you
>> sure people don't care about this, or is it just that they've just made an
>> accommodation with the fact they don't have a choice?
>>
>> --
>> Charles E. Hardwidge
>
>
>
>Doctor Who is a nerd show, genius. Deal with it.
>

Can Charles do anything similar?

>
>--
>MDS (Mister Doctor Sir)


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[MDS]

The Doctor wrote:
>
> In article <***@RADW.USENET>, MDS <***@RADW.USENET> wrote:
> >Charles E. Hardwidge wrote:
> >>
> >> "Ross" <***@trenchcoatsoft.com> wrote in message
> >> news:415f10c6-fc4b-48f3-a4e3-***@a11g2000yqb.googlegroups.com...
> >>
> >> > You understand, don't you, that "How could they still think with the
> >> > reduction in brain size necessary to accomodate the dalek implants" is
> >> > actually the thing that is "fans bending over backwards" to find fault
> >> > over anything, right?
> >> >
> >> > I mean, any normal viewer wouldn't care at all, and even a very
> >> > thoughtful viewer would only have to go as far as "Well that makes
> >> > sense, given that the Daleks are more advanced than the civilizatons
> >> > that created the Headless Monks or the Empty Child"
> >>
> >> I think people do notice bad storytelling and the dalek implants among other
> >> things is one example but the whole nerd thing escapes me.
> >>
> >> You're probably right about normal people dismissing the thing as just magic
> >> and moving on but I also think they're being done a disservice and issues
> >> which could be crafted, developed, and paced better would create a story
> >> with more value to people.
> >>
> >> Okay, so we have a story that appeals to kids and nerds but that's a really
> >> low bar. Games were around this level a decade ago when Who was respected as
> >> character led sci-fi. Now things are the other way around with many games
> >> having well formed stories and Who being a blizzard of gimmicks. Are you
> >> sure people don't care about this, or is it just that they've just made an
> >> accommodation with the fact they don't have a choice?
> >>
> >> --
> >> Charles E. Hardwidge
> >
> >
> >
> >Doctor Who is a nerd show, genius. Deal with it.
> >
>
> Can Charles do anything similar?
>


I doubt Charlie can do anything but gripe.


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[The Doctor]

In article <***@RADW.USENET>, MDS <***@RADW.USENET> wrote:
>The Doctor wrote:
>>
>> In article <***@RADW.USENET>, MDS <***@RADW.USENET> wrote:
>> >Charles E. Hardwidge wrote:
>> >>
>> >> "Ross" <***@trenchcoatsoft.com> wrote in message
>> >> news:415f10c6-fc4b-48f3-a4e3-***@a11g2000yqb.googlegroups.com...
>> >>
>> >> > You understand, don't you, that "How could they still think with the
>> >> > reduction in brain size necessary to accomodate the dalek implants" is
>> >> > actually the thing that is "fans bending over backwards" to find fault
>> >> > over anything, right?
>> >> >
>> >> > I mean, any normal viewer wouldn't care at all, and even a very
>> >> > thoughtful viewer would only have to go as far as "Well that makes
>> >> > sense, given that the Daleks are more advanced than the civilizatons
>> >> > that created the Headless Monks or the Empty Child"
>> >>
>> >> I think people do notice bad storytelling and the dalek implants among other
>> >> things is one example but the whole nerd thing escapes me.
>> >>
>> >> You're probably right about normal people dismissing the thing as just magic
>> >> and moving on but I also think they're being done a disservice and issues
>> >> which could be crafted, developed, and paced better would create a story
>> >> with more value to people.
>> >>
>> >> Okay, so we have a story that appeals to kids and nerds but that's a really
>> >> low bar. Games were around this level a decade ago when Who was respected as
>> >> character led sci-fi. Now things are the other way around with many games
>> >> having well formed stories and Who being a blizzard of gimmicks. Are you
>> >> sure people don't care about this, or is it just that they've just made an
>> >> accommodation with the fact they don't have a choice?
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> Charles E. Hardwidge
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >Doctor Who is a nerd show, genius. Deal with it.
>> >
>>
>> Can Charles do anything similar?
>>
>
>
>I doubt Charlie can do anything but gripe.
>
>
>--
>MDS (Mister Doctor Sir)

That being said, let's get the viewer numbers up worldwide.

Declare this month Watch DW Saturday's and blow the ratings out of sky!
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[The Doctor]

In article <***@RADW.USENET>, MDS <***@RADW.USENET> wrote:
>Charles E. Hardwidge wrote:
>>
>> "solar penguin" <***@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:cc54abcf-1b1d-4996-8088-***@ft6g2000vbb.googlegroups.com...
>> > Charles E. Hardwidge wrote:
>> >
>> >> I'm talking about my own experience with US people who watched Who
>> >> because of its character driven stories as a refreshing alternative to US
>> >> sci-fi which was more geared to empty action.
>> >
>> > Ah, thanks for clearing that up. (And it proves my point about you
>> > not being a clear communicator. After all, radw's not full of
>> > telepaths all reading your mind to know which country you just happen
>> > to be talking about.)
>>
>> Nice try with trying to stick it too me (then grab ownership of everything I
>> said and slap a label on for good measure).
>>
>> Not interested.
>>
>> --
>> Charles E. Hardwidge
>
>
>I'll bet you got a hardon watching dogs crap when you were little, eh
>Charlie?
>
>
>
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Bad image comes to mind.
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[The Doctor]

In article <***@RADW.USENET>, MDS <***@RADW.USENET> wrote:
>Charles E. Hardwidge wrote:
>>
>> You can say believe you like but "not interested" still applies. I've really
>> had enough of the net this week and you can take the flamebait somewhere
>> else, or get perma-killfiled like the other hero that tried it on.
>>
>> --
>> Charles E. Hardwidge
>
>
>The thing about killfiling someone is that it doesn't keep others and
>newcomers from seeing people he's killfiled pointing out what an ass he
>is.
>
>
>
>--
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Killf files are by passable.
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[MDS]

The Doctor wrote:
>
> In article <***@RADW.USENET>, MDS <***@RADW.USENET> wrote:
> >Charles E. Hardwidge wrote:
> >>
> >> You can say believe you like but "not interested" still applies. I've really
> >> had enough of the net this week and you can take the flamebait somewhere
> >> else, or get perma-killfiled like the other hero that tried it on.
> >>
> >> --
> >> Charles E. Hardwidge
> >
> >
> >The thing about killfiling someone is that it doesn't keep others and
> >newcomers from seeing people he's killfiled pointing out what an ass he
> >is.
> >
> >
> >
> >--
> >MDS (Mister Doctor Sir)
>
> Killf files are by passable.


I could bypass his, but he's such a idiot that it's not worth my time.



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[The Doctor]

In article <***@RADW.USENET>, MDS <***@RADW.USENET> wrote:
>The Doctor wrote:
>>
>> In article <***@RADW.USENET>, MDS <***@RADW.USENET> wrote:
>> >Charles E. Hardwidge wrote:
>> >>
>> >> You can say believe you like but "not interested" still applies. I've really
>> >> had enough of the net this week and you can take the flamebait somewhere
>> >> else, or get perma-killfiled like the other hero that tried it on.
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> Charles E. Hardwidge
>> >
>> >
>> >The thing about killfiling someone is that it doesn't keep others and
>> >newcomers from seeing people he's killfiled pointing out what an ass he
>> >is.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >--
>> >MDS (Mister Doctor Sir)
>>
>> Killf files are by passable.
>
>
>I could bypass his, but he's such a idiot that it's not worth my time.
>
>
>
>--
>MDS (Mister Doctor Sir)

Now you know what has happened over the years.
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[Ross]

On Sep 5, 3:10 pm, solar penguin <***@gmail.com> wrote:
> Stephen Wilson wrote:
> > I couldn't see the point of the Dalek eyestick popping out of the
> > "possessed" human's foreheads (or how the human managed to function as half
> > their brain must have been removed to accommodate it).
>
> Never underestimate the adaptability of brain cells.
>
> There is a real-life disease in humans, whose name I can't remember
> and haven't had any luck finding on Google (sorry) , that causes the
> membrane around an infant's brain to swell up, killing the brain cells
> beneath it.  When the membrane finally shrinks back to normal size,
> the child is left with about half a brain, mostly stem with very
> little cortex and a lot of empty space inside the skull.  Despite
> this, they usually grow up to be normal, intelligent adults, with no
> sign of only having half a brain.
>
> So, I don't see why brains shouldn't cope with concealed eyestalks
> just as easily.  Or alternatively, the eyestalk may be stored inside a
> dimensionally transcendental container that's the thickness of a piece
> of paper stuck to the inside of the skull.

It's unlikely such a thing would work nearly as well with an adult
human; the brain is extremely plastic in an infant, and can
essentially grow itself to map the functions perfomred by the damaged
areas to be done in other bits of tissue. That ability lessens as the
brain matures.

That said, with Dalek nanotechnology to back it up, I don't see what
the big deal is; we can easily enough assume that the conversion
process grows new synthetic components to take over bits of the
brain's work. A lot of the mass of the human brain is given over to
language and visual processing. While those are both hard problems for
modern human computer science, there';s no reason to think they're
intractable problems (indeed, great strides have been made just in the
past ten years) With the advanced computer technology the Daleks have,
they could almost certainly replace the human visual cortex and
language centers with some nano-processor, freeing up plenty of room.
Similarly, the Daleks could certainly do away with the amigdala, not
needing emotions in their drones. And since the converted human's
memories are apparently uploaded to the Dalek network, allowing the
drone to "read her file", there's no tremendous reason they have to
keep the parts of the brain associated with memory.

The only part of the brain that would be absolutely essential for
keeping the drone body alive is the medulla --though since the Dalek
nanotech can animate a *corpse*, there's no reason they'd even need
that (Besides, fiftieth century humanity appears to have the
technology to keep a body in something resembling life with the head
entirely removed)

[TB]

On Saturday, September 1, 2012 at 2:52:45 PM UTC-7, Agamemnon wrote:
> "Tony" <***@hoyle.me.uk> wrote in message
> news:055d9994-313e-4ed2-a1ca-***@fm12g2000vbb.googlegroups.com...
> On Sep 1, 9:51 pm, "Agamemnon" <***@hello.to.NO_SPAM> wrote:
>
> > Good performances from the actors all round. Liked the Emperor Dalek
> > taking
> > on the mannerisms of Davros.
> >
> <<<President Dalek..>>>
>
> So that was Dalek Obama then?
>
> Doesn't look to me like he was fairly elected. He's bigger than the rest of
> them for a start. Talk about equality.
>

Dalek Obama: Exterminate the Tea Party! Exterminate Netanyahu!

[TB]

On Saturday, September 1, 2012 at 2:52:45 PM UTC-7, Agamemnon wrote:
> "Tony" <***@hoyle.me.uk> wrote in message
> news:055d9994-313e-4ed2-a1ca-***@fm12g2000vbb.googlegroups.com...
> On Sep 1, 9:51 pm, "Agamemnon" <***@hello.to.NO_SPAM> wrote:
>
> > Good performances from the actors all round. Liked the Emperor Dalek
> > taking
> > on the mannerisms of Davros.
> >
> <<<President Dalek..>>>
>
> So that was Dalek Obama then?
>

Next, people will be alleging that the Dalek President was assembled in Kenya, and that he is planning to disarm all civilian Daleks, set up a socialized health care system (Dalek Care!), and grant amnesty to illegal Dalek immigrants.

[solar penguin]

Tony wrote:

>
> Which leads to a question - has the influence of the cult of Skaro
> increased *that* much that the Daleks have abandoned strict militarism
> (and clearly they've abandoned racial purity, if they're converting
> humans again). Or is the parliament a side effect some kind of peace
> treaty after the civil war.

I assumed the Parliament was just another name for the Supreme Council
- or possibly the next step down, a sort of Not-Quite-Supreme Council.

After all, parliaments don't have to be democratically elected. Even
on Earth there have been plenty of puppet parliaments supporting
military regimes.

[The Doctor]

In article <01502ba5-6054-437c-999a-***@cf4g2000vbb.googlegroups.com>,
solar penguin <***@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>Tony wrote:
>
>>
>> Which leads to a question - has the influence of the cult of Skaro
>> increased *that* much that the Daleks have abandoned strict militarism
>> (and clearly they've abandoned racial purity, if they're converting
>> humans again). Or is the parliament a side effect some kind of peace
>> treaty after the civil war.
>
>I assumed the Parliament was just another name for the Supreme Council
>- or possibly the next step down, a sort of Not-Quite-Supreme Council.
>
>After all, parliaments don't have to be democratically elected. Even
>on Earth there have been plenty of puppet parliaments supporting
>military regimes.

A Parliament of millions?
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solar penguin wrote:
> I assumed the Parliament was just another name for the Supreme Council
> - or possibly the next step down, a sort of Not-Quite-Supreme Council.

I assumed it was parliament as in "gathering" not as in "decision-making
group". Tho' it doesn't answer the question as to /why/ umty-thousand
daleks were gathering in one place.

JGH

[The Doctor]

In article <7ac0d307-6ddb-4344-8fe5-***@googlegroups.com>,
<***@arcade.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>solar penguin wrote:
>> I assumed the Parliament was just another name for the Supreme Council
>> - or possibly the next step down, a sort of Not-Quite-Supreme Council.
>
>I assumed it was parliament as in "gathering" not as in "decision-making
>group". Tho' it doesn't answer the question as to /why/ umty-thousand
>daleks were gathering in one place.
>
>JGH

Governing body.
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On Friday, September 7, 2012 5:13:29 PM UTC-4, (unknown) wrote:
> solar penguin wrote:
>
> > I assumed the Parliament was just another name for the Supreme Council
>
> > - or possibly the next step down, a sort of Not-Quite-Supreme Council.
>
>
>
> I assumed it was parliament as in "gathering" not as in "decision-making
>
> group". Tho' it doesn't answer the question as to /why/ umty-thousand
>
> daleks were gathering in one place.
>
>
>
> JGH

Eh, who cares. It looked impressive. Worked for me.

[TB]

On Saturday, September 1, 2012 at 2:03:27 PM UTC-7, Tony wrote:
> On Sep 1, 9:51 pm, "Agamemnon" <***@hello.to.NO_SPAM> wrote:
>
> > Good performances from the actors all round. Liked the Emperor Dalek taking
> > on the mannerisms of Davros.
> >
> President Dalek..
>
> Which leads to a question - has the influence of the cult of Skaro
> increased *that* much that the Daleks have abandoned strict militarism
> (and clearly they've abandoned racial purity, if they're converting
> humans again). Or is the parliament a side effect some kind of peace
> treaty after the civil war.

I wonder how often Dalek elections are held, and what kind of voting system they use. Do they have First Past the Post, or Proportional Representation, or Instant Runoff Voting?

[Stephen Wilson]

"TB" <***@dcn.davis.ca.us> wrote in message
news:34b9c25b-e7e1-4c71-9928-***@googlegroups.com...
On Saturday, September 1, 2012 at 2:03:27 PM UTC-7, Tony wrote:
>> On Sep 1, 9:51 pm, "Agamemnon" <***@hello.to.NO_SPAM> wrote:
>>
>> > Good performances from the actors all round. Liked the Emperor Dalek
>> > taking
>> > on the mannerisms of Davros.
>> >
>> President Dalek..
>>
>> Which leads to a question - has the influence of the cult of Skaro
>> increased *that* much that the Daleks have abandoned strict militarism
>> (and clearly they've abandoned racial purity, if they're converting
>> humans again). Or is the parliament a side effect some kind of peace
>> treaty after the civil war.
>
>I wonder how often Dalek elections are held, and what kind of voting system
>they use. Do they have First Past the Post, or Proportional
>Representation,
>or Instant Runoff Voting?

They don't vote. Daleks would be more like a society of bees. There are no
elections - one Dalek was bred to be their emperor. All other Daleks are
bred to obey their Emperor.

[TB]

On Saturday, April 18, 2015 at 2:52:30 AM UTC-7, Stephen Wilson wrote:
> "TB" <***@dcn.davis.ca.us> wrote in message
> news:34b9c25b-e7e1-4c71-9928-***@googlegroups.com...
> On Saturday, September 1, 2012 at 2:03:27 PM UTC-7, Tony wrote:
> >> On Sep 1, 9:51 pm, "Agamemnon" <***@hello.to.NO_SPAM> wrote:
> >>
> >> > Good performances from the actors all round. Liked the Emperor Dalek
> >> > taking
> >> > on the mannerisms of Davros.
> >> >
> >> President Dalek..
> >>
> >> Which leads to a question - has the influence of the cult of Skaro
> >> increased *that* much that the Daleks have abandoned strict militarism
> >> (and clearly they've abandoned racial purity, if they're converting
> >> humans again). Or is the parliament a side effect some kind of peace
> >> treaty after the civil war.
> >
> >I wonder how often Dalek elections are held, and what kind of voting system
> >they use. Do they have First Past the Post, or Proportional
> >Representation,
> >or Instant Runoff Voting?
>
> They don't vote. Daleks would be more like a society of bees. There are no
> elections - one Dalek was bred to be their emperor. All other Daleks are
> bred to obey their Emperor.

How is it decided WHICH Dlaek is bred to be Emperor?

[Stephen Wilson]

"TB" <***@dcn.davis.ca.us> wrote in message
news:f8e52e32-4233-4e12-a794-***@googlegroups.com...
> On Saturday, April 18, 2015 at 2:52:30 AM UTC-7, Stephen Wilson wrote:
>> "TB" <***@dcn.davis.ca.us> wrote in message
>> news:34b9c25b-e7e1-4c71-9928-***@googlegroups.com...
>> On Saturday, September 1, 2012 at 2:03:27 PM UTC-7, Tony wrote:
>> >> On Sep 1, 9:51 pm, "Agamemnon" <***@hello.to.NO_SPAM> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > Good performances from the actors all round. Liked the Emperor Dalek
>> >> > taking
>> >> > on the mannerisms of Davros.
>> >> >
>> >> President Dalek..
>> >>
>> >> Which leads to a question - has the influence of the cult of Skaro
>> >> increased *that* much that the Daleks have abandoned strict militarism
>> >> (and clearly they've abandoned racial purity, if they're converting
>> >> humans again). Or is the parliament a side effect some kind of peace
>> >> treaty after the civil war.
>> >
>> >I wonder how often Dalek elections are held, and what kind of voting
>> >system
>> >they use. Do they have First Past the Post, or Proportional
>> >Representation,
>> >or Instant Runoff Voting?
>>
>> They don't vote. Daleks would be more like a society of bees. There are
>> no
>> elections - one Dalek was bred to be their emperor. All other Daleks are
>> bred to obey their Emperor.
>
> How is it decided WHICH Dlaek is bred to be Emperor?

Presumably they select a Dalek mutant at random and genetically modify it as
required.

[TB]

On Saturday, April 18, 2015 at 2:52:30 AM UTC-7, Stephen Wilson wrote:
> "TB" <***@dcn.davis.ca.us> wrote in message
> news:34b9c25b-e7e1-4c71-9928-***@googlegroups.com...
> On Saturday, September 1, 2012 at 2:03:27 PM UTC-7, Tony wrote:
> >> On Sep 1, 9:51 pm, "Agamemnon" <***@hello.to.NO_SPAM> wrote:
> >>
> >> > Good performances from the actors all round. Liked the Emperor Dalek
> >> > taking
> >> > on the mannerisms of Davros.
> >> >
> >> President Dalek..
> >>
> >> Which leads to a question - has the influence of the cult of Skaro
> >> increased *that* much that the Daleks have abandoned strict militarism
> >> (and clearly they've abandoned racial purity, if they're converting
> >> humans again). Or is the parliament a side effect some kind of peace
> >> treaty after the civil war.
> >
> >I wonder how often Dalek elections are held, and what kind of voting system
> >they use. Do they have First Past the Post, or Proportional
> >Representation,
> >or Instant Runoff Voting?
>
> They don't vote. Daleks would be more like a society of bees. There are no
> elections - one Dalek was bred to be their emperor. All other Daleks are
> bred to obey their Emperor.

Then what was the Dalek Parliament for in this episode?

[Stephen Wilson]

"TB" <***@dcn.davis.ca.us> wrote in message
news:b46ab0f2-fca1-4461-b356-***@googlegroups.com...
> On Saturday, April 18, 2015 at 2:52:30 AM UTC-7, Stephen Wilson wrote:
>> "TB" <***@dcn.davis.ca.us> wrote in message
>> news:34b9c25b-e7e1-4c71-9928-***@googlegroups.com...
>> On Saturday, September 1, 2012 at 2:03:27 PM UTC-7, Tony wrote:
>> >> On Sep 1, 9:51 pm, "Agamemnon" <***@hello.to.NO_SPAM> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > Good performances from the actors all round. Liked the Emperor Dalek
>> >> > taking
>> >> > on the mannerisms of Davros.
>> >> >
>> >> President Dalek..
>> >>
>> >> Which leads to a question - has the influence of the cult of Skaro
>> >> increased *that* much that the Daleks have abandoned strict militarism
>> >> (and clearly they've abandoned racial purity, if they're converting
>> >> humans again). Or is the parliament a side effect some kind of peace
>> >> treaty after the civil war.
>> >
>> >I wonder how often Dalek elections are held, and what kind of voting
>> >system
>> >they use. Do they have First Past the Post, or Proportional
>> >Representation,
>> >or Instant Runoff Voting?
>>
>> They don't vote. Daleks would be more like a society of bees. There are
>> no
>> elections - one Dalek was bred to be their emperor. All other Daleks are
>> bred to obey their Emperor.
>
> Then what was the Dalek Parliament for in this episode?

That was for the New Dalek Paradigm - an empire of Daleks created by the
Progenitor device. They still used drone Daleks but had a few other ranks.
In the Parliament, there was a Dalek Prime Minister and its subordinate was
the Supreme Dalek.

Even so, they would have held elections for the position. Daleks don't do
democracy.

[The Doctor]

In article <gY-***@eclipse.net.uk>,
Agamemnon <***@hello.to.NO_SPAM> wrote:
>Very good opening episode.
>
>Stephen Moffat is bringing the series back to how it was in the classic era,
>setting up stuff intended to get the kids rushing behind the sofa and
>writing stories which mostly take place on alien worlds and which put new
>ideas in peoples' minds.
>
>Unfortunately he's still being affected by the 45 or is it now 50 minute
>format since this story could have easily twisted in a different direction
>and continued for another part. It was pretty obvious that Jenna
>Louise-Coleman had probably been converted by the Daleks when it was
>revealed that the other members of the crew had been, but if it had been
>done in the old 4 episode format episode 2 would have ended with her being
>transported on board the Dalek ship in human form and taking control of it
>with everyone wondering which direction the story would take in the next
>episode. Instead it had to come to a conclusion early which didn't leave
>much choice but to have the Doctor give Amy his bracelet thus saving her
>from conversion and preventing any further development of that story line
>and have Jenna Louise-Coleman save everyone by insisting that she was still
>human thus brining that story line to an early conclusion too.
>
>The story could have also easily been written an Auton story set on Earth
>but for some reason Stephen Moffat decided to chose Daleks, maybe because he
>already explored the idea with Auton Rory.
>
>Skaro is back from complete destruction. No idea if the Doctor travelled
>back in time to before it was destroyed or the Daleks brought it back during
>the Time War.
>
>Think the whole thing with the repitition of Doctor Who is going to go on
>through the series like RTDs Bad Wolf.
>
>Good performances from the actors all round. Liked the Emperor Dalek taking
>on the mannerisms of Davros.
>
>Probably the best Dalek story since Dalek.
>
>
>10/10
>
>


Getting ready to spoiler this!
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[Stephen Wilson]

"The Doctor" <***@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> wrote in message
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>
> Getting ready to spoiler this!

What is that meant to mean? Have you any idea what a spoiler is?

[The Doctor]

In article <ZKw0s.370200$***@fx06.am4>,
Stephen Wilson <***@ntlworld.com> wrote:
>
>"The Doctor" <***@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> wrote in message
>news:k1tttp$d89$***@gallifrey.nk.ca...
>>
>> Getting ready to spoiler this!
>
>What is that meant to mean? Have you any idea what a spoiler is?
>
>

Of course I do!
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Great to see Yads is still as incoherent as always.

-Fett

On Saturday, September 1, 2012 7:20:26 PM UTC-4, Stephen Wilson wrote:
> "The Doctor" <***@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> wrote in message
>
> news:k1tttp$d89$***@gallifrey.nk.ca...
>
> >
>
> > Getting ready to spoiler this!
>
>
>
> What is that meant to mean? Have you any idea what a spoiler is?

[The Doctor]

In article <e8846ced-69d6-489d-aef7-***@googlegroups.com>,
<***@gmail.com> wrote:
>Great to see Yads is still as incoherent as always.
>
>-Fett
>
>On Saturday, September 1, 2012 7:20:26 PM UTC-4, Stephen Wilson wrote:
>> "The Doctor" <***@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> wrote in message
>>
>> news:k1tttp$d89$***@gallifrey.nk.ca...
>>
>> >
>>
>> > Getting ready to spoiler this!
>>
>>
>>
>> What is that meant to mean? Have you any idea what a spoiler is?
>

Welcome back Fett.

To spoiler means to reveal the plot in some detail.
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[Fett]

On Friday, September 7, 2012 10:04:47 AM UTC-4, The Doctor wrote:
> In article <e8846ced-69d6-489d-aef7-***@googlegroups.com>,
>
> <***@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >Great to see Yads is still as incoherent as always.
>
> >
>
> >-Fett
>
> >
>
> >On Saturday, September 1, 2012 7:20:26 PM UTC-4, Stephen Wilson wrote:
>
> >> "The Doctor" <***@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> wrote in message
>
> >>
>
> >> news:k1tttp$d89$***@gallifrey.nk.ca...
>
> >>
>
> >> >
>
> >>
>
> >> > Getting ready to spoiler this!
>
> >>
>
> >>
>
> >>
>
> >> What is that meant to mean? Have you any idea what a spoiler is?
>
> >
>
>
>
> Welcome back Fett.
>

Thank you, good sir.

[The Doctor]

In article <66dc89c8-482d-4e6a-8440-***@googlegroups.com>,
Fett <***@gmail.com> wrote:
>On Friday, September 7, 2012 10:04:47 AM UTC-4, The Doctor wrote:
>> In article <e8846ced-69d6-489d-aef7-***@googlegroups.com>,
>>
>> <***@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >Great to see Yads is still as incoherent as always.
>>
>> >
>>
>> >-Fett
>>
>> >
>>
>> >On Saturday, September 1, 2012 7:20:26 PM UTC-4, Stephen Wilson wrote:
>>
>> >> "The Doctor" <***@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> wrote in message
>>
>> >>
>>
>> >> news:k1tttp$d89$***@gallifrey.nk.ca...
>>
>> >>
>>
>> >> >
>>
>> >>
>>
>> >> > Getting ready to spoiler this!
>>
>> >>
>>
>> >>
>>
>> >>
>>
>> >> What is that meant to mean? Have you any idea what a spoiler is?
>>
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>> Welcome back Fett.
>>
>
>Thank you, good sir.

You are welcome.
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[MDS]

***@gmail.com wrote:
>
> Great to see Yads is still as incoherent as always.
>
> -Fett


Yeah, but I think if he ever just vanished one day, sooner or later
we'll miss him. Someone might even say, "RADW isn't the same without
Yads."


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[The Doctor]

In article <***@RADW.USENET>, MDS <***@RADW.USENET> wrote:
>***@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>> Great to see Yads is still as incoherent as always.
>>
>> -Fett
>
>
>Yeah, but I think if he ever just vanished one day, sooner or later
>we'll miss him. Someone might even say, "RADW isn't the same without
>Yads."
>

That did happen.

>
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[TB]

What political parties would there be in a Dalek Parliament?

[Siri Cruz]

In article <ff138c89-b852-4b19-b5c8-***@googlegroups.com>,
TB <***@dcn.davis.ca.us> wrote:

> What political parties would there be in a Dalek Parliament?

Republicans vs Tories.

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[The Doctor]

In article <chine.bleu-***@news.eternal-september.org>,
Siri Cruz <***@yahoo.com> wrote:
>In article <ff138c89-b852-4b19-b5c8-***@googlegroups.com>,
> TB <***@dcn.davis.ca.us> wrote:
>
>> What political parties would there be in a Dalek Parliament?
>
>Republicans vs Tories.
>
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>Icke's razor: Given two equally plausible explanations, choose the weirder.
>That's People's Commissioner Siri Cruz now. Punch!

Right vs right.
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[TB]

What political ads would one see in a Dalek election?

[Siri Cruz]

In article <76fdb709-f095-4872-974b-***@googlegroups.com>,
TB <***@dcn.davis.ca.us> wrote:

> What political ads would one see in a Dalek election?

Watch US television from now until November 2016.

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[The Doctor]

In article <chine.bleu-***@news.eternal-september.org>,
Siri Cruz <***@yahoo.com> wrote:
>In article <76fdb709-f095-4872-974b-***@googlegroups.com>,
> TB <***@dcn.davis.ca.us> wrote:
>
>> What political ads would one see in a Dalek election?
>
>Watch US television from now until November 2016.
>

Excapt that daleks exterminate the opposition as the Thals found out.

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>That's People's Commissioner Siri Cruz now. Punch!


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[Siri Cruz]

In article <mghjik$1ac$***@ns2.nl2k.ab.ca>, ***@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (The Doctor)
wrote:

> In article <chine.bleu-***@news.eternal-september.org>,
> Siri Cruz <***@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >In article <76fdb709-f095-4872-974b-***@googlegroups.com>,
> > TB <***@dcn.davis.ca.us> wrote:
> >
> >> What political ads would one see in a Dalek election?
> >
> >Watch US television from now until November 2016.
> >
>
> Excapt that daleks exterminate the opposition as the Thals found out.

Yep.


Watch US television from now until November 2016.

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[TB]

On Monday, April 13, 2015 at 4:19:56 PM UTC-7, Siri Cruz wrote:
> In article <76fdb709-f095-4872-974b-***@googlegroups.com>,
> TB <***@dcn.davis.ca.us> wrote:
>
> > What political ads would one see in a Dalek election?
>
> Watch US television from now until November 2016.

I've never seen any Daleks in US political commercials.

[Siri Cruz]

In article <0f1ed2fe-a8c2-4144-8f67-***@googlegroups.com>,
TB <***@dcn.davis.ca.us> wrote:

> On Monday, April 13, 2015 at 4:19:56 PM UTC-7, Siri Cruz wrote:
> > In article <76fdb709-f095-4872-974b-***@googlegroups.com>,
> > TB <***@dcn.davis.ca.us> wrote:
> >
> > > What political ads would one see in a Dalek election?
> >
> > Watch US television from now until November 2016.
>
> I've never seen any Daleks in US political commercials.

Dalek Rubio joined the fray today.

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[TB]

On Monday, April 13, 2015 at 7:15:21 PM UTC-7, Siri Cruz wrote:
> In article <0f1ed2fe-a8c2-4144-8f67-***@googlegroups.com>,
> TB <***@dcn.davis.ca.us> wrote:
>
> > On Monday, April 13, 2015 at 4:19:56 PM UTC-7, Siri Cruz wrote:
> > > In article <76fdb709-f095-4872-974b-***@googlegroups.com>,
> > > TB <***@dcn.davis.ca.us> wrote:
> > >
> > > > What political ads would one see in a Dalek election?
> > >
> > > Watch US television from now until November 2016.
> >
> > I've never seen any Daleks in US political commercials.
>
> Dalek Rubio joined the fray today.

He looks human to me!

[Siri Cruz]

In article <23ed71b2-d328-40e5-a882-***@googlegroups.com>,
TB <***@dcn.davis.ca.us> wrote:

> On Monday, April 13, 2015 at 7:15:21 PM UTC-7, Siri Cruz wrote:
> > In article <0f1ed2fe-a8c2-4144-8f67-***@googlegroups.com>,
> > TB <***@dcn.davis.ca.us> wrote:
> >
> > > On Monday, April 13, 2015 at 4:19:56 PM UTC-7, Siri Cruz wrote:
> > > > In article <76fdb709-f095-4872-974b-***@googlegroups.com>,
> > > > TB <***@dcn.davis.ca.us> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > What political ads would one see in a Dalek election?
> > > >
> > > > Watch US television from now until November 2016.
> > >
> > > I've never seen any Daleks in US political commercials.
> >
> > Dalek Rubio joined the fray today.
>
> He looks human to me!

As did Lytton.

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That's People's Commissioner Siri Cruz now. Punch!

[TB]

On Monday, April 13, 2015 at 10:33:32 PM UTC-7, Siri Cruz wrote:
> In article <23ed71b2-d328-40e5-a882-***@googlegroups.com>,
> TB <***@dcn.davis.ca.us> wrote:
>
> > On Monday, April 13, 2015 at 7:15:21 PM UTC-7, Siri Cruz wrote:
> > > In article <0f1ed2fe-a8c2-4144-8f67-***@googlegroups.com>,
> > > TB <***@dcn.davis.ca.us> wrote:
> > >
> > > > On Monday, April 13, 2015 at 4:19:56 PM UTC-7, Siri Cruz wrote:
> > > > > In article <76fdb709-f095-4872-974b-***@googlegroups.com>,
> > > > > TB <***@dcn.davis.ca.us> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > What political ads would one see in a Dalek election?
> > > > >
> > > > > Watch US television from now until November 2016.
> > > >
> > > > I've never seen any Daleks in US political commercials.
> > >
> > > Dalek Rubio joined the fray today.
> >
> > He looks human to me!
>
> As did Lytton.

Are you alleging that Rubio is a Dalek controlled drone?

[The Doctor]

In article <0f1ed2fe-a8c2-4144-8f67-***@googlegroups.com>,
TB <***@dcn.davis.ca.us> wrote:
>On Monday, April 13, 2015 at 4:19:56 PM UTC-7, Siri Cruz wrote:
>> In article <76fdb709-f095-4872-974b-***@googlegroups.com>,
>> TB <***@dcn.davis.ca.us> wrote:
>>
>> > What political ads would one see in a Dalek election?
>>
>> Watch US television from now until November 2016.
>
>I've never seen any Daleks in US political commercials.

The odd Republican might do.
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[Stephen Wilson]

"TB" <***@dcn.davis.ca.us> wrote in message
news:ff138c89-b852-4b19-b5c8-***@googlegroups.com...
> What political parties would there be in a Dalek Parliament?

Seeing as Terry Nation seems to have based Davros on Hitler, I'd guess the
main one would be the Nazi Party. Followed by any Nationalist parties of
your choice, which in Britain would be groups such as the BNP, Britain First
and UKIP.

[Daniel47]

On 14/04/15 04:56, TB wrote:
> What political parties would there be in a Dalek Parliament?
>
How about "The Reds", "The Blues" and "The Yellows"?? And there was a
fourth colour wasn't there?? "The Greens", maybe.

Daniel

[Siri Cruz]

In article <mgoafm$p1b$***@dont-email.me>,
Daniel47 <***@eternal-september.org> wrote:

> On 14/04/15 04:56, TB wrote:
> > What political parties would there be in a Dalek Parliament?
> >
> How about "The Reds", "The Blues" and "The Yellows"?? And there was a
> fourth colour wasn't there?? "The Greens", maybe.

The Red and the Black. It's their colour scheme.

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Icke's razor: Given two equally plausible explanations, choose the weirder.
That's People's Commissioner Siri Cruz now. Punch!

[James Adie]

in <chine.bleu-***@news.eternal-september.org>,
Siri Cruz <***@yahoo.com> said:
> In article <mgoafm$p1b$***@dont-email.me>,
> Daniel47 <***@eternal-september.org> wrote:
>
> > On 14/04/15 04:56, TB wrote:
> > > What political parties would there be in a Dalek Parliament?
> > >
> > How about "The Reds", "The Blues" and "The Yellows"?? And there was a
> > fourth colour wasn't there?? "The Greens", maybe.
>
> The Red and the Black. It's their colour scheme.


Red hair and black leather, my favorite color scheme

[Siri Cruz]

In article <55307062$0$16839$c3e8da3$***@news.astraweb.com>,
James Adie <***@mailhub.philly.net> wrote:

> in <chine.bleu-***@news.eternal-september.org>,
> Siri Cruz <***@yahoo.com> said:
> > In article <mgoafm$p1b$***@dont-email.me>,
> > Daniel47 <***@eternal-september.org> wrote:
> >
> > > On 14/04/15 04:56, TB wrote:
> > > > What political parties would there be in a Dalek Parliament?
> > > >
> > > How about "The Reds", "The Blues" and "The Yellows"?? And there was a
> > > fourth colour wasn't there?? "The Greens", maybe.
> >
> > The Red and the Black. It's their colour scheme.
>
>
> Red hair and black leather, my favorite color scheme

Canadian Mounties.

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That's People's Commissioner Siri Cruz now. Punch!

[The Doctor]

Siri Cruz <***@yahoo.com> wrote:
: In article <55307062$0$16839$c3e8da3$***@news.astraweb.com>,
: James Adie <***@mailhub.philly.net> wrote:

: > in <chine.bleu-***@news.eternal-september.org>,
: > Siri Cruz <***@yahoo.com> said:
: > > In article <mgoafm$p1b$***@dont-email.me>,
: > > Daniel47 <***@eternal-september.org> wrote:
: > >
: > > > On 14/04/15 04:56, TB wrote:
: > > > > What political parties would there be in a Dalek Parliament?
: > > > >
: > > > How about "The Reds", "The Blues" and "The Yellows"?? And there was a
: > > > fourth colour wasn't there?? "The Greens", maybe.
: > >
: > > The Red and the Black. It's their colour scheme.
: >
: >
: > Red hair and black leather, my favorite color scheme

: Canadian Mounties.

That is close to Buckingham Palace guards.


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[Pudentame]

On Thu, 16 Apr 2015 20:59:30 -0700, Siri Cruz <***@yahoo.com>
wrote:

>In article <55307062$0$16839$c3e8da3$***@news.astraweb.com>,
> James Adie <***@mailhub.philly.net> wrote:
>
>> in <chine.bleu-***@news.eternal-september.org>,
>> Siri Cruz <***@yahoo.com> said:
>> > In article <mgoafm$p1b$***@dont-email.me>,
>> > Daniel47 <***@eternal-september.org> wrote:
>> >
>> > > On 14/04/15 04:56, TB wrote:
>> > > > What political parties would there be in a Dalek Parliament?
>> > > >
>> > > How about "The Reds", "The Blues" and "The Yellows"?? And there was a
>> > > fourth colour wasn't there?? "The Greens", maybe.
>> >
>> > The Red and the Black. It's their colour scheme.
>>
>>
>> Red hair and black leather, my favorite color scheme
>
>Canadian Mounties.

1952 Vincent Black Lightning

[Siri Cruz]

In article <***@4ax.com>,
Pudentame <***@no.where.invalid> wrote:

> On Thu, 16 Apr 2015 20:59:30 -0700, Siri Cruz <***@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
> >In article <55307062$0$16839$c3e8da3$***@news.astraweb.com>,
> > James Adie <***@mailhub.philly.net> wrote:
> >
> >> in <chine.bleu-***@news.eternal-september.org>,
> >> Siri Cruz <***@yahoo.com> said:
> >> > In article <mgoafm$p1b$***@dont-email.me>,
> >> > Daniel47 <***@eternal-september.org> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > > On 14/04/15 04:56, TB wrote:
> >> > > > What political parties would there be in a Dalek Parliament?
> >> > > >
> >> > > How about "The Reds", "The Blues" and "The Yellows"?? And there was a
> >> > > fourth colour wasn't there?? "The Greens", maybe.
> >> >
> >> > The Red and the Black. It's their colour scheme.
> >>
> >>
> >> Red hair and black leather, my favorite color scheme
> >
> >Canadian Mounties.
>
> 1952 Vincent Black Lightning

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zIawk-9PApw

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That's People's Commissioner Siri Cruz now. Punch!

[Mike M]

James Adie <***@mailhub.philly.net> wrote:
> in <chine.bleu-***@news.eternal-september.org>,
> Siri Cruz <***@yahoo.com> said:
>> In article <mgoafm$p1b$***@dont-email.me>,
>> Daniel47 <***@eternal-september.org> wrote:
>>
>>> On 14/04/15 04:56, TB wrote:
>>>> What political parties would there be in a Dalek Parliament?
>>>>
>>> How about "The Reds", "The Blues" and "The Yellows"?? And there was a
>>> fourth colour wasn't there?? "The Greens", maybe.
>>
>> The Red and the Black. It's their colour scheme.
>
>
> Red hair and black leather, my favorite color scheme

Vampire Willow ?
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[TB]

On Thursday, April 16, 2015 at 11:29:09 PM UTC-7, Mike M wrote:
> James Adie <***@mailhub.philly.net> wrote:
> > in <chine.bleu-***@news.eternal-september.org>,
> > Siri Cruz <***@yahoo.com> said:
> >> In article <mgoafm$p1b$***@dont-email.me>,
> >> Daniel47 <***@eternal-september.org> wrote:
> >>
> >>> On 14/04/15 04:56, TB wrote:
> >>>> What political parties would there be in a Dalek Parliament?
> >>>>
> >>> How about "The Reds", "The Blues" and "The Yellows"?? And there was a
> >>> fourth colour wasn't there?? "The Greens", maybe.
> >>
> >> The Red and the Black. It's their colour scheme.
> >
> >
> > Red hair and black leather, my favorite color scheme
>
> Vampire Willow ?

How did a Buffy character get involved with Daleks?

[Your Name]

In article
<647981657450944900.952510mike-***@news.individual.net>,
Mike M <***@xenocyte.com.invalid> wrote:
> James Adie <***@mailhub.philly.net> wrote:
> > in <chine.bleu-***@news.eternal-september.org>,
> > Siri Cruz <***@yahoo.com> said:
> >> In article <mgoafm$p1b$***@dont-email.me>,
> >> Daniel47 <***@eternal-september.org> wrote:
> >>> On 14/04/15 04:56, TB wrote:
> >>>> What political parties would there be in a Dalek Parliament?
> >>>
> >>> How about "The Reds", "The Blues" and "The Yellows"?? And there was a
> >>> fourth colour wasn't there?? "The Greens", maybe.
> >>
> >> The Red and the Black. It's their colour scheme.
> >
> > Red hair and black leather, my favorite color scheme
>
> Vampire Willow ?

There was a story in yesterday's newspaper here about a school girl (I
can't remember where, could have been England or Scotland) who has been
banned from attending school because her hair is "too ginger" and she
can't go back until she tones it down. Although she has dyed her her
that colour, she has done so for the past three years without a
problem, but suddenly the morons in charge don't like it. :-\

[Pudentame]

On 17 Apr 2015 02:30:58 GMT, James Adie <***@mailhub.philly.net>
wrote:

>in <chine.bleu-***@news.eternal-september.org>,
> Siri Cruz <***@yahoo.com> said:
>> In article <mgoafm$p1b$***@dont-email.me>,
>> Daniel47 <***@eternal-september.org> wrote:
>>
>> > On 14/04/15 04:56, TB wrote:
>> > > What political parties would there be in a Dalek Parliament?
>> > >
>> > How about "The Reds", "The Blues" and "The Yellows"?? And there was a
>> > fourth colour wasn't there?? "The Greens", maybe.
>>
>> The Red and the Black. It's their colour scheme.
>
>
>Red hair and black leather, my favorite color scheme

Ok, so here's a thought ...

Who are the writers you might like to see take a turn at a Doctor Who
script?

In the last week I've seen references to Richard Thompson & Charles
Stross. I think either of them might produce an interesting excursion.

[The Doctor]

In article <***@4ax.com>,
Pudentame <***@no.where.invalid> wrote:
>On 17 Apr 2015 02:30:58 GMT, James Adie <***@mailhub.philly.net>
>wrote:
>
>>in <chine.bleu-***@news.eternal-september.org>,
>> Siri Cruz <***@yahoo.com> said:
>>> In article <mgoafm$p1b$***@dont-email.me>,
>>> Daniel47 <***@eternal-september.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> > On 14/04/15 04:56, TB wrote:
>>> > > What political parties would there be in a Dalek Parliament?
>>> > >
>>> > How about "The Reds", "The Blues" and "The Yellows"?? And there was a
>>> > fourth colour wasn't there?? "The Greens", maybe.
>>>
>>> The Red and the Black. It's their colour scheme.
>>
>>
>>Red hair and black leather, my favorite color scheme
>
>Ok, so here's a thought ...
>
>Who are the writers you might like to see take a turn at a Doctor Who
>script?
>
>In the last week I've seen references to Richard Thompson & Charles
>Stross. I think either of them might produce an interesting excursion.

What plot could they concoct?
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[TB]

Dalek Title: Revolution of the Daleks. A group of Daleks seek to overthrow Davros and/or the Dalek Emperor. They snatch the Doctor and ask him to assist them. (I figure that if Daleks can ask the Doctor to help them nullify the threat from the Dalek insane asylum, then Daleks canask him to help them change the Dalek regime).

[Stephen Wilson]

"Pudentame" <***@no.where.invalid> wrote in message
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> On 17 Apr 2015 02:30:58 GMT, James Adie <***@mailhub.philly.net>
> wrote:
>
>>in <chine.bleu-***@news.eternal-september.org>,
>> Siri Cruz <***@yahoo.com> said:
>>> In article <mgoafm$p1b$***@dont-email.me>,
>>> Daniel47 <***@eternal-september.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> > On 14/04/15 04:56, TB wrote:
>>> > > What political parties would there be in a Dalek Parliament?
>>> > >
>>> > How about "The Reds", "The Blues" and "The Yellows"?? And there was a
>>> > fourth colour wasn't there?? "The Greens", maybe.
>>>
>>> The Red and the Black. It's their colour scheme.
>>
>>
>>Red hair and black leather, my favorite color scheme
>
> Ok, so here's a thought ...
>
> Who are the writers you might like to see take a turn at a Doctor Who
> script?
>
> In the last week I've seen references to Richard Thompson & Charles
> Stross. I think either of them might produce an interesting excursion.

I'm curious about the script that Steven Fry nearly wrote. I'd have liked to
have seen a script from Terry Pratchett. There are also a few writers from
the days of the Virgin novels who might be able to do something interesting.

Beyond that though, most decent writers are busy concentrating on original
material and are unlikely to want to spend time writing a script that they
wouldn't get much money for within the constricts demanded by Dr Who in
general and Steven Moffat in particular.

[TB]

On Thursday, April 16, 2015 at 5:39:14 AM UTC-7, Daniel47 wrote:
> On 14/04/15 04:56, TB wrote:
> > What political parties would there be in a Dalek Parliament?
> >
> How about "The Reds", "The Blues" and "The Yellows"?? And there was a
> fourth colour wasn't there?? "The Greens", maybe.

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