In praise of modern kit

[Champ]

Regular readers will know that I'm commuting to work by motorcycle at
the moment. It's about 37 miles each way. This morning was, to my
mind, the first *proper* cold morning we've had - according to various
waether feeds, it was no warmer than -3 for the whole distance.

And you know what? I was fine! Toes were a *bit* cold on arrival -
while my goretex boots are *completely* waterproof, I guess they could
be a bit warmer. But otherwise my kit is amazing - I was doing
80~90mph for a couple of miles when the M4 unexpectedly cleared, and
even that was fine. And, of course, I can't say enough about my
heated muffs (fnaarr).

The last time I rode a bike to work every day through winter would
have been around 30 years ago, when I was 21~22. I was younger,
stupider[1], and, er, had around 15Kg less body mass [2]. But the kit
then was pretty rubbish, too.

Praise be to progress!

[1] This is open to dispute
[2] At that age I had to run around in the shower to get wet.

[CT]

Champ wrote:

[snip]

Post by Champ
Praise be to progress!

I hear you, brother!

It was definitely a tad nippy this morning[1], and like you, the first
time I've ridden in "proper cold" for decades. I was OK apart from the
tips of my fingers & thumbs, which the heated grips won't warm up in
any way, shape or form.

Luckily, mine is only a short journey (less than 7 miles), and I might
look into getting some heated gloves[2], but it's not like weather this
cold is that regular an occurrence.

[1] When P was de-icing her car it said -5C.
[2] The previous owner fitted a 12V accessory socket to the Z.

[AstroSpanner]

In article <***@mid.individual.net>, ***@christrollen.co.uk
says...

Post by CT
[snip]

Post by Champ
Praise be to progress!

I hear you, brother!
It was definitely a tad nippy this morning[1], and like you, the first
time I've ridden in "proper cold" for decades. I was OK apart from the
tips of my fingers & thumbs, which the heated grips won't warm up in
any way, shape or form.
Luckily, mine is only a short journey (less than 7 miles), and I might
look into getting some heated gloves[2], but it's not like weather this
cold is that regular an occurrence.

My gloves + hated grips on the divvy were fine this morning. Last night
there was more traffic and so my finger tips got colder from covering
clutch/brake whilst filtering.

The A34 was at a complete standstill yesterday morning (car transporter
smacked through the armco, hit a van coming the other way and fell over;
police blocked both carriageways), so I had to do more filtering than
usual. Was still fine.


Only downside this morning was my pinlock came away from the visor at
one point letting it fog up, which then refracted a load of sunlight.
Mmmm, squinty.

Post by CT
[1] When P was de-icing her car it said -5C.
[2] The previous owner fitted a 12V accessory socket to the Z.

Civilized chap. I keep thinking it would be a useful addition to the
ZRX.

[Eiron]

Post by AstroSpanner
Only downside this morning was my pinlock came away from the visor at
one point letting it fog up, which then refracted a load of sunlight.
Mmmm, squinty.

Post by CT
[1] When P was de-icing her car it said -5C.
[2] The previous owner fitted a 12V accessory socket to the Z.

Civilized chap. I keep thinking it would be a useful addition to the
ZRX.

I once had my visor iced up, then when I opened it my glasses iced up.
I didn't get as far as eyeball icing. But I did once get home after
a night shift and found that the temperature had risen to -10C.
The older you get, the harder you were!

[Champ]

On Tue, 20 Jan 2015 09:42:30 -0000, AstroSpanner

Post by AstroSpanner
My gloves + hated grips

Why do you dislike them so?

[Champ]

Post by CT
Luckily, mine is only a short journey (less than 7 miles), and I might
look into getting some heated gloves[2], but it's not like weather this
cold is that regular an occurrence.

Yeah, it'll be back to 10 degrees and raining next week. Maybe.

[z***@googlemail.com]

Post by CT
[snip]
It was definitely a tad nippy this morning[1], and like you, the first
time I've ridden in "proper cold" for decades. I was OK apart from the
tips of my fingers & thumbs, which the heated grips won't warm up in
any way, shape or form.
Luckily, mine is only a short journey (less than 7 miles), and I might
look into getting some heated gloves[2], but it's not like weather this
cold is that regular an occurrence.

I've no hope of 2-wheel commuting at the moment. I have 12 miles of slippery untreated back roads to do before I get to any civilsed road that's been gritted.

I'm enjoying the delights of driving a rear wheel drive tourer with ABS and TC though. Particualrly useful ths morning, when the rain had washed the salt off the road and frozen over in its place.

Paul.

[ogden]

Post by CT
[snip]

Post by Champ
Praise be to progress!

I hear you, brother!
It was definitely a tad nippy this morning[1], and like you, the first
time I've ridden in "proper cold" for decades. I was OK apart from the
tips of my fingers & thumbs, which the heated grips won't warm up in
any way, shape or form.
Luckily, mine is only a short journey (less than 7 miles), and I might
look into getting some heated gloves[2], but it's not like weather this
cold is that regular an occurrence.
[1] When P was de-icing her car it said -5C.
[2] The previous owner fitted a 12V accessory socket to the Z.

The way you lot are banging on, anyone'd think it was cold out there.

[Champ]

Post by ogden
The way you lot are banging on, anyone'd think it was cold out there.

Bonwick, is that you?

[CT]

Post by ogden

Post by CT
[1] When P was de-icing her car it said -5C.

The way you lot are banging on, anyone'd think it was cold out there.

I call -5C cold. IDGAF whether you do or not!

[AstroSpanner]

Post by ogden
The way you lot are banging on, anyone'd think it was cold out there.

If I have to de-ice the seat, it's cold.

[Pete Fisher]

Post by AstroSpanner

Post by ogden
The way you lot are banging on, anyone'd think it was cold out there.

If I have to de-ice the seat, it's cold.

I gave up riding through the winter in the days when the dual seat foam
on SO Brit bikes would absorb water and freeze solid. I did it for a
while in the 70's on a 'Bloop' though which was surprisingly competent
over 5 miles or so. It got me through snow so deep a couple of times
that the buses had stopped running.

[AstroSpanner]

In article <***@mid.individual.net>, ***@ps-
fisher.demon.co.uk says...

Post by Pete Fisher

Post by AstroSpanner

Post by ogden
The way you lot are banging on, anyone'd think it was cold out there.

If I have to de-ice the seat, it's cold.

I gave up riding through the winter in the days when the dual seat foam
on SO Brit bikes would absorb water and freeze solid. I did it for a
while in the 70's on a 'Bloop' though which was surprisingly competent
over 5 miles or so. It got me through snow so deep a couple of times
that the buses had stopped running.

Yeah, the seat needs to be in decent nick and not absorb water. Splits
etc. deteriorate very quickly over winter otherwise.

[Hog]

Post by Pete Fisher

Post by AstroSpanner

Post by ogden
The way you lot are banging on, anyone'd think it was cold out there.

If I have to de-ice the seat, it's cold.

I gave up riding through the winter in the days when the dual seat
foam on SO Brit bikes would absorb water and freeze solid. I did it
for a while in the 70's on a 'Bloop' though which was surprisingly
competent over 5 miles or so. It got me through snow so deep a couple
of times that the buses had stopped running.

A Suzi B120P?

[Simon Wilson]

Post by Hog

Post by Pete Fisher

Post by AstroSpanner

Post by ogden
The way you lot are banging on, anyone'd think it was cold out there.

If I have to de-ice the seat, it's cold.

I gave up riding through the winter in the days when the dual seat
foam on SO Brit bikes would absorb water and freeze solid. I did it
for a while in the 70's on a 'Bloop' though which was surprisingly
competent over 5 miles or so. It got me through snow so deep a couple
of times that the buses had stopped running.

A Suzi B120P?

B100P surely.

[Pete Fisher]

Post by Hog

Post by Pete Fisher

Post by AstroSpanner

Post by ogden
The way you lot are banging on, anyone'd think it was cold out there.

If I have to de-ice the seat, it's cold.

I gave up riding through the winter in the days when the dual seat
foam on SO Brit bikes would absorb water and freeze solid. I did it
for a while in the 70's on a 'Bloop' though which was surprisingly
competent over 5 miles or so. It got me through snow so deep a couple
of times that the buses had stopped running.

A Suzi B120P?

No, a 1967 B100P though it did have a 118cc engine.

[sweller]

Post by AstroSpanner

Post by ogden
The way you lot are banging on, anyone'd think it was cold out there.

If I have to de-ice the seat, it's cold.

I used to commute on an MZ that lived outside - its was a bit leaky and
seat would freeze solid.

Depending on whether my arse temperature had started thawing it or not
determined whether it was properly cold.

[Champ]

Post by CT
It was definitely a tad nippy this morning[1], and like you, the first
time I've ridden in "proper cold" for decades. I was OK apart from the
tips of my fingers & thumbs, which the heated grips won't warm up in
any way, shape or form.

Talking of which - have you put anything on your bike to try and
protect it from the worst ravages of salted roads?

If not, I've got a load of ACF-50 (bought a large-ish bottle, as
recommended by Andy B), and a spray gun, and I'd be happy to give your
Hayabusa a coating if you can be bothered to come over to mine. It
would have to be one evening in the week.

[CT]

Post by Champ
Talking of which - have you put anything on your bike to try and
protect it from the worst ravages of salted roads?

No. Not yet, anyway.

Post by Champ
If not, I've got a load of ACF-50 (bought a large-ish bottle, as
recommended by Andy B)

I was considering getting some of that myself anyway.

Post by Champ
and a spray gun, and I'd be happy to give your Hayabusa

My *what* now? Does nobody pay attention round here anymore?

Post by Champ
a coating if you can be bothered to come over to mine. It
would have to be one evening in the week.

I might take you up on that, assuming the offer stands for Kawasakis
too! It's have to be next week at the earliest, as the bike will need
a decent clean first. I'll let you know. Thanks.

[Champ]

Post by CT

Post by Champ
Talking of which - have you put anything on your bike to try and
protect it from the worst ravages of salted roads?

No. Not yet, anyway.

Ah. You really should

Post by CT

Post by Champ
and a spray gun, and I'd be happy to give your Hayabusa

My *what* now? Does nobody pay attention round here anymore?

Sorry. I've had a bang on the head, you know.

Post by CT

Post by Champ
a coating if you can be bothered to come over to mine. It
would have to be one evening in the week.

I might take you up on that, assuming the offer stands for Kawasakis
too! It's have to be next week at the earliest, as the bike will need
a decent clean first. I'll let you know. Thanks.

Sure. Any evening from Sunday to Thursday should be ok.

[sweller]

Post by CT

Post by Champ
a coating if you can be bothered to come over to mine. It
would have to be one evening in the week.

I might take you up on that, assuming the offer stands for Kawasakis
too! It's have to be next week at the earliest, as the bike will need
a decent clean first. I'll let you know

It appears to work well - I coated my Tenere with it. I also re-coat
it using a paraffin gun from time to time, usually when I've got the
tank off and the bike in pieces.

It's done 17,000 miles now - a lot of that in some properly filthy
weather - and has pretty much resisted the corrosion bug they have a
reputation for.

[Percy Flage]

Post by Champ
Regular readers will know that I'm commuting to work by motorcycle at
the moment. It's about 37 miles each way. This morning was, to my
mind, the first *proper* cold morning we've had - according to various
waether feeds, it was no warmer than -3 for the whole distance.
And you know what? I was fine! Toes were a *bit* cold on arrival -
while my goretex boots are *completely* waterproof, I guess they could
be a bit warmer. But otherwise my kit is amazing - I was doing
80~90mph for a couple of miles when the M4 unexpectedly cleared, and
even that was fine. And, of course, I can't say enough about my
heated muffs (fnaarr).

I've got heated grips and cheap muffs and find that Summer gloves work
better for me as they conduct the heat better.

[Champ]

On Tue, 20 Jan 2015 10:16:13 +0000, Percy Flage

Post by Percy Flage

And, of course, I can't say enough about my heated muffs (fnaarr).

I've got heated grips and cheap muffs and find that Summer gloves work
better for me as they conduct the heat better.

I definitely only need summer gloves within the heated muffs.
However, plenty of other people on here have reported the limitations
of heated grips, being they warm the inside of your hand, and not your
fingers when you're using or covering the levers.

[Andy Bonwick]

Post by Champ
On Tue, 20 Jan 2015 10:16:13 +0000, Percy Flage

Post by Percy Flage

And, of course, I can't say enough about my heated muffs (fnaarr).

I've got heated grips and cheap muffs and find that Summer gloves work
better for me as they conduct the heat better.

I definitely only need summer gloves within the heated muffs.
However, plenty of other people on here have reported the limitations
of heated grips, being they warm the inside of your hand, and not your
fingers when you're using or covering the levers.

Over the years I've tried heated grips, heated inner gloves and heated
outer gloves but the heated muffs beat them all quite easily.

They feel a lot more constricted than normal furry muffs but once you
get used to flicking the button through a layer of thin rubber they're ok.

[Wicked Uncle Nigel]

Using the patented Mavis Beacon "Hunt&Peck" Technique, Andy Bonwick

Post by Andy Bonwick
They feel a lot more constricted than normal furry muffs but once you
get used to flicking the button through a layer of thin rubber they're ok.

Wahaaaaay!

[Andy Bonwick]

Post by Wicked Uncle Nigel
Using the patented Mavis Beacon "Hunt&Peck" Technique, Andy Bonwick

Post by Andy Bonwick
They feel a lot more constricted than normal furry muffs but once you
get used to flicking the button through a layer of thin rubber they're ok.

Wahaaaaay!

You liked that description then? I did try to be as subtle as possible.

[Wicked Uncle Nigel]

Using the patented Mavis Beacon "Hunt&Peck" Technique, Andy Bonwick

Post by Andy Bonwick

Post by Wicked Uncle Nigel
Using the patented Mavis Beacon "Hunt&Peck" Technique, Andy Bonwick

Post by Andy Bonwick
They feel a lot more constricted than normal furry muffs but once you
get used to flicking the button through a layer of thin rubber they're ok.

Wahaaaaay!

You liked that description then? I did try to be as subtle as possible.

Oh you were!

[Wicked Uncle Nigel]

Using the patented Mavis Beacon "Hunt&Peck" Technique, Champ

Post by Champ
Praise be to progress!

In days past, neshness was regarded as a terminal diagnosis.
Fortunately, with modern advances, it can be seen as a manageable
condition. Sufferers can look forward to a normal (if slightly shivery)
life expectancy. There's still no cure, but there is hope.

[Champ]

On Tue, 20 Jan 2015 20:36:12 +0000, Wicked Uncle Nigel

Post by Wicked Uncle Nigel
Using the patented Mavis Beacon "Hunt&Peck" Technique, Champ

Post by Champ
Praise be to progress!

In days past, neshness was regarded as a terminal diagnosis.
Fortunately, with modern advances, it can be seen as a manageable
condition. Sufferers can look forward to a normal (if slightly shivery)
life expectancy. There's still no cure, but there is hope.

<applause>

I'm nesh and I'm proud!

[Wicked Uncle Nigel]

Using the patented Mavis Beacon "Hunt&Peck" Technique, Champ

Post by Champ
On Tue, 20 Jan 2015 20:36:12 +0000, Wicked Uncle Nigel

Post by Wicked Uncle Nigel
Using the patented Mavis Beacon "Hunt&Peck" Technique, Champ

Post by Champ
Praise be to progress!

In days past, neshness was regarded as a terminal diagnosis.
Fortunately, with modern advances, it can be seen as a manageable
condition. Sufferers can look forward to a normal (if slightly shivery)
life expectancy. There's still no cure, but there is hope.

<applause>
I'm nesh and I'm proud!

I can see a "Nesh Pride" parade being organised.

In August...

[PipL]

On Tue, 20 Jan 2015 22:02:54 +0000, Wicked Uncle Nigel

Post by Wicked Uncle Nigel
Using the patented Mavis Beacon "Hunt&Peck" Technique, Champ

Post by Champ
On Tue, 20 Jan 2015 20:36:12 +0000, Wicked Uncle Nigel

Post by Wicked Uncle Nigel
In days past, neshness was regarded as a terminal diagnosis.
Fortunately, with modern advances, it can be seen as a manageable
condition. Sufferers can look forward to a normal (if slightly shivery)
life expectancy. There's still no cure, but there is hope.

<applause>
I'm nesh and I'm proud!

I can see a "Nesh Pride" parade being organised.
In August...

"Cancelled due to adverse weather"

[CT]

Post by PipL
On Tue, 20 Jan 2015 22:02:54 +0000, Wicked Uncle Nigel

Post by Wicked Uncle Nigel
Using the patented Mavis Beacon "Hunt&Peck" Technique, Champ

Post by Champ
<applause>
I'm nesh and I'm proud!

"My name is Chris and I am nesh."

Post by PipL

Post by Wicked Uncle Nigel
I can see a "Nesh Pride" parade being organised.
In August...

I'm in.

Post by PipL
"Cancelled due to adverse weather"

heh.

[Champ]

On Tue, 20 Jan 2015 22:02:54 +0000, Wicked Uncle Nigel

Post by Wicked Uncle Nigel

Post by Champ
I'm nesh and I'm proud!

I can see a "Nesh Pride" parade being organised.
In August...

In Spain...

[Bruce Horrocks]

while my goretex boots are*completely* waterproof, I guess they could
be a bit warmer.

Which make/model, if you don't mind my asking?

The toes on mine are starting to come away from the sole; so gravity
driven rain is fine; going through standing water results in a soaking
as the recent weather gave me cause to discover. :-(

[Champ]

On Thu, 22 Jan 2015 23:31:51 +0000, Bruce Horrocks

Post by Bruce Horrocks

while my goretex boots are*completely* waterproof, I guess they could
be a bit warmer.

Which make/model, if you don't mind my asking?

These are Daytonas. They're 10 years old now, so I doubt the exact
same model will be available.

<looks inside boot, and on internet>

Blimey, they are still available. My waterproof road boots are
Daytona Nonstop GTX: http://www.daytona.de/index.php?page=799

My race / summer road boots are Evo Sports GTX:
http://www.daytona.de/index.php?page=810 I see they're now listed as
having Goretex as standard - when I got mine, it was extra for Goretex
(on top of an already hefty price), which I declined to pay. Wish I
hadn't now.

[wessie]

Post by Champ
On Thu, 22 Jan 2015 23:31:51 +0000, Bruce Horrocks

Post by Bruce Horrocks

while my goretex boots are*completely* waterproof, I guess they could
be a bit warmer.

Which make/model, if you don't mind my asking?

These are Daytonas. They're 10 years old now, so I doubt the exact
same model will be available.
<looks inside boot, and on internet>
Blimey, they are still available. My waterproof road boots are
Daytona Nonstop GTX: http://www.daytona.de/index.php?page=799

I like Daytona boots, owning 2 pairs, and two of the reasons are that when
you have worn out a pair you can either get them refurbished[1] or buy the
exact same model even a decade later. They still make the Highway boot I
bought in 1996.

[1] although this service was getting quite expensive last time I looked
into it

[Champ]

Post by wessie
I like Daytona boots, owning 2 pairs, and two of the reasons are that when
you have worn out a pair you can either get them refurbished[1] or buy the
exact same model even a decade later. They still make the Highway boot I
bought in 1996.
[1] although this service was getting quite expensive last time I looked
into it

Especially useful for racers and race boots :-) My 10+ year old race
boots were looking pretty bloody scruffy, so when I got my entry
accepted for the TT in 2013 I just bought new outers.

[sweller]

Post by Bruce Horrocks

while my goretex boots are*completely* waterproof, I guess they
could be a bit warmer.

Which make/model, if you don't mind my asking?

My Goretex boots are also completely waterproof - and warm.

They were also fairly cheap:
http://www.surplusandoutdoors.com/shop/outdoor-footwear/army-boots-shoes/pro-boots-extreme-cold-weather-734321.html

I may need to get something else to wear for this year's summer trip -
or my feet may melt.

[Champ]

And, of course, I can't say enough about my heated muffs (fnaarr).

I found think I found their limit this morning - the traffic is always
lighter on a Friday morning, and I set off earlier, resulting in me
rdiing at 80~90mph for the best part of 20 miles. And it was at
least -3 deg. My hands started to feel cold!

Once I got to traffic and slowed down, and then off the motorway, they
warmed up again quickly.

[ogden]

Post by Champ
I found think I found their limit this morning - the traffic is always
lighter on a Friday morning, and I set off earlier, resulting in me
rdiing at 80~90mph for the best part of 20 miles. And it was at

In shuttling between Wimbledon and Hemel at the moment. It was well
below zero on the way home last night and my hands were fine with
winter gloves and heated grips.

It was just above zero earlier today and I was fine without even
having the grips on.

You big girl.

[Champ]

Post by ogden

Post by Champ
I found think I found their limit this morning - the traffic is always
lighter on a Friday morning, and I set off earlier, resulting in me
rdiing at 80~90mph for the best part of 20 miles. And it was at

In shuttling between Wimbledon and Hemel at the moment. It was well
below zero on the way home last night and my hands were fine with
winter gloves and heated grips.
It was just above zero earlier today and I was fine without even
having the grips on.
You big girl.

Winter gloves? You big girl.

[Hog]

Post by Champ
Winter gloves? You big girl.

Those Richa cold protect GTX I recommended, goodness me, jolly good,
I've taken to wearing them out and about off the bike, gratefully
received for one with crap digit circulation

[CT]

Post by Hog

Post by Champ
Winter gloves? You big girl.

Those Richa cold protect GTX I recommended, goodness me, jolly good,
I've taken to wearing them out and about off the bike, gratefully
received for one with crap digit circulation

Would definitely need them in MI:
http://www.theguardian.com/world/gallery/2015/jan/22/michigans-big-freeze-in-pictures

[Hog]

Post by Hog

Post by Champ
Winter gloves? You big girl.

Those Richa cold protect GTX I recommended, goodness me, jolly good,
I've taken to wearing them out and about off the bike, gratefully
received for one with crap digit circulation

http://www.theguardian.com/world/gallery/2015/jan/22/michigans-big-free
ze-in-pictures

Beautiful. From a distance

[Mark Olson]

Post by CT

Post by Hog

Post by Champ
Winter gloves? You big girl.
Those Richa cold protect GTX I recommended, goodness me, jolly

good,

Post by Hog
I've taken to wearing them out and about off the bike, gratefully
received for one with crap digit circulation

http://www.theguardian.com/world/gallery/2015/jan/22/michigans-big-free
ze-in-pictures
Beautiful. From a distance

Reporting from two states to the west, it's sunny and +4°C, and I've
just gotten back from having lunch with a riding buddy from behind the
Cheddar curtain. I put about 50 miles on the KLR, it's fantastic to
even be able to ride at this time during the winter.

Gerbing heated gloves, Gerbing heated jacket liner, brush guards from
a R1150R Rockster, Aerostich suit + Sidi Combat Lite boots. I could
ride all day in these conditions with this kit. But I do have an LED
bulb replacing the stock H4 bulb, otherwise I wouldn't have the amps
to keep the heat on.

[Hog]

Post by Mark Olson
Gerbing heated gloves, Gerbing heated jacket liner, brush guards from
a R1150R Rockster, Aerostich suit + Sidi Combat Lite boots. I could
ride all day in these conditions with this kit. But I do have an LED
bulb replacing the stock H4 bulb, otherwise I wouldn't have the amps
to keep the heat on.

Welcome, brother.

[Thomas]

Post by Hog

Post by Champ
Winter gloves? You big girl.
Those Richa cold protect GTX I recommended, goodness me, jolly

good,

Post by Hog
I've taken to wearing them out and about off the bike, gratefully
received for one with crap digit circulation

http://www.theguardian.com/world/gallery/2015/jan/22/michigans-big-fr=

ee

ze-in-pictures
Beautiful. From a distance

Reporting from two states to the west, it's sunny and +4=B0C,

<must refrain, must refrain...>
<zips lips>

[Mark Olson]

Post by Thomas

Post by Mark Olson
Reporting from two states to the west, it's sunny and +4°C,

<must refrain, must refrain...>
<zips lips>

Hey, that's positively balmy for here.

It's not so different from your surfing in bollock-shrinking
temperatures.

It just occurred to me it's ~two years since my co-worker and I
visited... and I'll bet that slightly bollixed ST1100 is still
holding down the floor in your garage. Perhaps Mr. Wilson and
I should make good on our threat to drop by and fix it.

[Thomas]

=

Post by Mark Olson

Post by Thomas

Reporting from two states to the west, it's sunny and +4=B0C,

<must refrain, must refrain...>
<zips lips>

Hey, that's positively balmy for here.
It's not so different from your surfing in bollock-shrinking
temperatures.
It just occurred to me it's ~two years since my co-worker and I
visited... and I'll bet that slightly bollixed ST1100 is still
holding down the floor in your garage. Perhaps Mr. Wilson and
I should make good on our threat to drop by and fix it.

Ooh, yeah! Free room and board, quality beer, I can't pay travel expense=
s, =

but we can negotiate other bennies.

You do understand, though, after so many years, it's a bit more than =

slightly?
Oh, and my kitchen/bath remodel is prolly going to start next month.

[Mark Olson]

Post by Mark Olson
It just occurred to me it's ~two years since my co-worker and I
visited... and I'll bet that slightly bollixed ST1100 is still
holding down the floor in your garage. Perhaps Mr. Wilson and
I should make good on our threat to drop by and fix it.

Ooh, yeah! Free room and board, quality beer, I can't pay travel expenses, but we can negotiate other bennies.

Oh dear, hopefully that wasn't meant as I involuntarily parsed it
at first glance.

You do understand, though, after so many years, it's a bit more than slightly?
Oh, and my kitchen/bath remodel is prolly going to start next month.

Well, judging from what I've seen here, it would seem we're both
reasonably au fait with resurrecting neglected bikes. Probably a
complete carb clean will be necessary as well as whatever other
pre-existing condition(s) took it off the road. Which on that bike
is no doubt a major pain. But I suppose it could be looked upon as
a sort of semi-permanent attraction, like eco-tourism except
revolving around SOB fettling.

I'm actually between assignments at the moment and was hoping to get
away for a week or so with my KLR on a trailer, after landing the
next job, if they'll let me delay starting for a bit. If I play my
cards right, it shouldn't be too long in coming. My brother's place
in SW Colorado near Mesa Verde is my intended target.

[Thomas]

Post by Mark Olson

Post by Thomas

Post by Mark Olson
It just occurred to me it's ~two years since my co-worker and I
visited... and I'll bet that slightly bollixed ST1100 is still
holding down the floor in your garage. Perhaps Mr. Wilson and
I should make good on our threat to drop by and fix it.

Ooh, yeah! Free room and board, quality beer, I can't pay travel
expenses, but we can negotiate other bennies.

Oh dear, hopefully that wasn't meant as I involuntarily parsed it
at first glance.

Not Benzedrine, benefits! Sheesh. (I have no idea what they might be,
though. I do make a decent tour guide.)

Post by Mark Olson

Post by Thomas
You do understand, though, after so many years, it's a bit more than slightly?
Oh, and my kitchen/bath remodel is prolly going to start next month.

Well, judging from what I've seen here, it would seem we're both
reasonably au fait with resurrecting neglected bikes. Probably a
complete carb clean will be necessary as well as whatever other
pre-existing condition(s) took it off the road. Which on that bike
is no doubt a major pain. But I suppose it could be looked upon as
a sort of semi-permanent attraction, like eco-tourism except
revolving around SOB fettling.

The breakdown of the rubber hoses were the original problem. That's still
an issue. I also know the brake pads were sticking, so the calipers will
need an overhaul. And of course, the carbs and whatever else can get mucky
by sitting for a decade.

Post by Mark Olson
I'm actually between assignments at the moment and was hoping to get
away for a week or so with my KLR on a trailer, after landing the
next job, if they'll let me delay starting for a bit. If I play my
cards right, it shouldn't be too long in coming. My brother's place
in SW Colorado near Mesa Verde is my intended target.

Nice. The SW is a great place to visit. A friend is trying to get me to
Santa Fe. Some day. It'll be a bit cool now.

[Mark Olson]

Post by Mark Olson

Ooh, yeah! Free room and board, quality beer, I can't pay travel expenses, but we can negotiate other bennies.

Oh dear, hopefully that wasn't meant as I involuntarily parsed it
at first glance.

Not Benzedrine, benefits! Sheesh. (I have no idea what they might be, though. I do make a decent tour guide.)

I can vouch for that! Chauffeur service in the Dodge Dakota,
expert advice at the seafood restaurant (IIRC you bought the
food as well) and I think the most memorable thing was the
sea lions/seals (whatever). Quite entertaining, notwithstanding
their most notable attribute of being incredibly whiffy.

[Simon Wilson]

Post by Mark Olson

Post by Thomas

Post by Mark Olson
Reporting from two states to the west, it's sunny and +4°C,

<must refrain, must refrain...>
<zips lips>

Hey, that's positively balmy for here.
It's not so different from your surfing in bollock-shrinking
temperatures.
It just occurred to me it's ~two years since my co-worker and I
visited... and I'll bet that slightly bollixed ST1100 is still
holding down the floor in your garage. Perhaps Mr. Wilson and
I should make good on our threat to drop by and fix it.

I'm working on it. Still not an impossibility.

[ogden]

Post by Champ

Post by ogden

Post by Champ
I found think I found their limit this morning - the traffic is always
lighter on a Friday morning, and I set off earlier, resulting in me
rdiing at 80~90mph for the best part of 20 miles. And it was at

In shuttling between Wimbledon and Hemel at the moment. It was well
below zero on the way home last night and my hands were fine with
winter gloves and heated grips.
It was just above zero earlier today and I was fine without even
having the grips on.
You big girl.

Winter gloves? You big girl.

Seasonal fashion innit.

[AstroSpanner]

Post by Champ

And, of course, I can't say enough about my heated muffs (fnaarr).

I found think I found their limit this morning - the traffic is always
lighter on a Friday morning, and I set off earlier, resulting in me
rdiing at 80~90mph for the best part of 20 miles. And it was at
least -3 deg. My hands started to feel cold!

I found the Divvy's limit this morning; couldn't turn the key in the
ignition to get it started!

What's the approved method of defrosting ignition switches? I don't
fancy pouring hot water into it...

[Krusty]

Post by AstroSpanner
I found the Divvy's limit this morning; couldn't turn the key in the
ignition to get it started!
What's the approved method of defrosting ignition switches? I don't
fancy pouring hot water into it...

Pikey method: heat key with fag lighter. Non-pikey method: a can of
lock defroster.

[Hog]

On Fri, 23 Jan 2015 14:09:49 +0000 (UTC), "Krusty"

Post by Krusty

Post by AstroSpanner
What's the approved method of defrosting ignition switches? I don't
fancy pouring hot water into it...

Pikey method: heat key with fag lighter. Non-pikey method: a can of
lock defroster.

Lubricated locks (PTFE) don't freeze up

[sweller]

Post by Krusty

Post by AstroSpanner
I found the Divvy's limit this morning; couldn't turn the key in
the ignition to get it started!
What's the approved method of defrosting ignition switches? I don't
fancy pouring hot water into it...

Pikey method: heat key with fag lighter. Non-pikey method: a can of
lock defroster.

My Jag used to suffer from frozen locks and the only effective way to
unlock it was to use lock-deicer spray.

I squirted a small amount of WD-40 in the doorlocks when it wasn't
freezing to displace the moisture that was there and it hasn't been a
problem since.

[Salad Dodger]

Post by sweller

Post by Krusty

Post by AstroSpanner
I found the Divvy's limit this morning; couldn't turn the key in
the ignition to get it started!
What's the approved method of defrosting ignition switches? I don't
fancy pouring hot water into it...

Pikey method: heat key with fag lighter. Non-pikey method: a can of
lock defroster.

My Jag used to suffer from frozen locks and the only effective way to
unlock it was to use lock-deicer spray.

One of my earliest biking memories is pulling into my local petrol
station in time to see a woman at the next pump using a Zippo to melt
the ice on her locking petrol cap.

I decided to fill up on the way home from school.

[Eddie]

Post by AstroSpanner
I found the Divvy's limit this morning; couldn't turn the key in the
ignition to get it started!
What's the approved method of defrosting ignition switches? I don't
fancy pouring hot water into it...

Piss on it, of course.

[AstroSpanner]

In article <***@mid.individual.net>, ***@deguello.org
says...

Post by Eddie

Post by AstroSpanner
I found the Divvy's limit this morning; couldn't turn the key in the
ignition to get it started!
What's the approved method of defrosting ignition switches? I don't
fancy pouring hot water into it...

Piss on it, of course.

Couldn't; bladder empty from de-icing the seat...

[Eddie]

Post by AstroSpanner
says...

Post by Eddie

Post by AstroSpanner
What's the approved method of defrosting ignition switches? I don't
fancy pouring hot water into it...

Piss on it, of course.

Couldn't; bladder empty from de-icing the seat...

Nice.

Although, a few weeks ago, I had to put on my winter gloves and punch
the ice on the seat to break it up before I could remove it. That was
also when the switchgear started playing up...

[PipL]

Post by AstroSpanner

Post by Champ

And, of course, I can't say enough about my heated muffs (fnaarr).

I found think I found their limit this morning - the traffic is always
lighter on a Friday morning, and I set off earlier, resulting in me
rdiing at 80~90mph for the best part of 20 miles. And it was at
least -3 deg. My hands started to feel cold!

I found the Divvy's limit this morning; couldn't turn the key in the
ignition to get it started!
What's the approved method of defrosting ignition switches? I don't
fancy pouring hot water into it...

Personally, on the few occasions it's happened, just warmed the lock face with
one hand and the key in my other hand, then wiggled it in the lock using as
much force as I dare.

[AstroSpanner]

Post by PipL

Post by AstroSpanner

Post by Champ

And, of course, I can't say enough about my heated muffs (fnaarr).

I found think I found their limit this morning - the traffic is always
lighter on a Friday morning, and I set off earlier, resulting in me
rdiing at 80~90mph for the best part of 20 miles. And it was at
least -3 deg. My hands started to feel cold!

I found the Divvy's limit this morning; couldn't turn the key in the
ignition to get it started!
What's the approved method of defrosting ignition switches? I don't
fancy pouring hot water into it...

Personally, on the few occasions it's happened, just warmed the lock face with
one hand and the key in my other hand, then wiggled it in the lock using as
much force as I dare.

Yeah, didn't trust myself to be sufficiently gentle.

[Colin Irvine]

On Fri, 23 Jan 2015 14:04:28 -0000, AstroSpanner

Post by AstroSpanner

Post by Champ

And, of course, I can't say enough about my heated muffs (fnaarr).

I found think I found their limit this morning - the traffic is always
lighter on a Friday morning, and I set off earlier, resulting in me
rdiing at 80~90mph for the best part of 20 miles. And it was at
least -3 deg. My hands started to feel cold!

I found the Divvy's limit this morning; couldn't turn the key in the
ignition to get it started!
What's the approved method of defrosting ignition switches? I don't
fancy pouring hot water into it...

Warm it with your hands. Once free, a little powdered graphite to stop
it happening again.

[ogden]

Post by AstroSpanner
I found the Divvy's limit this morning; couldn't turn the key in the
ignition to get it started!
What's the approved method of defrosting ignition switches? I don't
fancy pouring hot water into it...

Lick it.

[Salad Dodger]

Post by ogden

Post by AstroSpanner
I found the Divvy's limit this morning; couldn't turn the key in the
ignition to get it started!
What's the approved method of defrosting ignition switches? I don't
fancy pouring hot water into it...

Lick it.

We got little Dave to do that to a steel lamp-post on the school
ski-ing trip to Bulgaria in 1979.

He's professor of theoretical chemistry at Oxford now, so not
inherently daft.

[ogden]

On Sat, 24 Jan 2015 17:11:11 +0000, Salad Dodger

Post by Salad Dodger
We got little Dave to do that to a steel lamp-post on the school
ski-ing trip to Bulgaria in 1979.
He's professor of theoretical chemistry at Oxford now, so not
inherently daft.

Some of the dumbest people I know are really, really clever.

[steve robinson]

Post by ogden
On Sat, 24 Jan 2015 17:11:11 +0000, Salad Dodger

Post by Salad Dodger
We got little Dave to do that to a steel lamp-post on the school
ski-ing trip to Bulgaria in 1979.
He's professor of theoretical chemistry at Oxford now, so not
inherently daft.

Some of the dumbest people I know are really, really clever.

Agreed, one of my old customers (who happened to specialise in
cardiothorsic sugery) didnt know how to shut the water off in his home

mind boggles

[Champ]

Post by ogden
On Sat, 24 Jan 2015 17:11:11 +0000, Salad Dodger

Post by Salad Dodger
We got little Dave to do that to a steel lamp-post on the school
ski-ing trip to Bulgaria in 1979.
He's professor of theoretical chemistry at Oxford now, so not
inherently daft.

Some of the dumbest people I know are really, really clever.

+1

[sweller]

Post by ogden

Post by Salad Dodger
He's professor of theoretical chemistry at Oxford now, so not
inherently daft.

Some of the dumbest people I know are really, really clever.

Some of the dumbest people I know think they are really, really clever.

[Champ]

Post by sweller

Post by ogden

Post by Salad Dodger
He's professor of theoretical chemistry at Oxford now, so not
inherently daft.

Some of the dumbest people I know are really, really clever.

Some of the dumbest people I know think they are really, really clever.

Yeah, that too

[Nick Brooks]

Post by sweller

Post by ogden

Post by Salad Dodger
He's professor of theoretical chemistry at Oxford now, so not
inherently daft.

Some of the dumbest people I know are really, really clever.

Some of the dumbest people I know think they are really, really clever.

Ah, the old Dunning-Kruger effect.

[Leszek Karlik]

On Fri, 23 Jan 2015 15:04:28 +0100, AstroSpanner <***@gmail.com>
wrote:

[...]

Post by AstroSpanner
I found the Divvy's limit this morning; couldn't turn the key in the
ignition to get it started!
What's the approved method of defrosting ignition switches? I don't
fancy pouring hot water into it...

I used a hot air gun. Then some graphite and a bike cover, to prevent
snow-and-rain slurry from seeping inside the lock and freezing when the
night gets colder. :-)

[s***@gonemail.com]

Post by Champ

And, of course, I can't say enough about my heated muffs (fnaarr).

I found think I found their limit this morning - the traffic is always
lighter on a Friday morning, and I set off earlier, resulting in me
rdiing at 80~90mph for the best part of 20 miles. And it was at
least -3 deg. My hands started to feel cold!

Mine too. Did the Bath-Newbury trip today at a similar speed, on a
similar bike... but without bar muffs because I couldn't be arsed to fit
them (and was, surprise-surprise running late).

Still got the feeling back in my fingers after about 40 minutes so
what's to worry about. That was with the heated grips on... and summer
gloves...

Observations, having not done this route at peak commuting time in 6
years:

1) The standard of driving is definitely worse; lane discipline and
failure to drive in a straight fucking line.
2) Most drivers are cowed by speed law fears and are a fair bit slower
than my memory.
3) Point 1, repeated, GET THE FUCK OUT OF THE OUTSIDE LANE WHEN THE LANE
BESIDE YOU IS EMPTY...

Having said all of that, I quite enjoyed it even if I was a bit worried
about grip and couldn't feel much with my hands.

[Champ]

Post by s***@gonemail.com
Did the Bath-Newbury trip today at a similar speed, on a
similar bike... but without bar muffs because I couldn't be arsed to fit
them (and was, surprise-surprise running late).

heh

Post by s***@gonemail.com
Still got the feeling back in my fingers after about 40 minutes so
what's to worry about.

You're not 17 any more, you know!

Post by s***@gonemail.com
Observations, having not done this route at peak commuting time in 6
1) The standard of driving is definitely worse; lane discipline and
failure to drive in a straight fucking line.
2) Most drivers are cowed by speed law fears and are a fair bit slower
than my memory.
3) Point 1, repeated, GET THE FUCK OUT OF THE OUTSIDE LANE WHEN THE LANE
BESIDE YOU IS EMPTY...

Christ, if you think it's bad out west, try it closer to London.
Vehicles just sit in the the lane they've chosen, with no hint of
moving left if there's a space. I hardly ever overtake anyone to
their right on my commute.

[Simon Wilson]

Post by Champ
Christ, if you think it's bad out west, try it closer to London.
Vehicles just sit in the the lane they've chosen, with no hint of
moving left if there's a space. I hardly ever overtake anyone to
their right on my commute.

I actually prefer them to stay in lane, which they generally do at busy
times.

It's far less predictable at other times of the day.

I'm sticking to the train for the time being though.

[Champ]

On Fri, 23 Jan 2015 21:20:58 +0000, Simon Wilson

Post by Simon Wilson

Post by Champ
Christ, if you think it's bad out west, try it closer to London.
Vehicles just sit in the the lane they've chosen, with no hint of
moving left if there's a space. I hardly ever overtake anyone to
their right on my commute.

I actually prefer them to stay in lane, which they generally do at busy
times.

Oh absolutely agree. The more switched on flick their right
indicator, when they're already in lane 3, to let me know they've seen
me and they're making room.

Post by Simon Wilson
I'm sticking to the train for the time being though.

Poof :-)

[Krusty]

Post by Champ

Post by s***@gonemail.com
3) Point 1, repeated, GET THE FUCK OUT OF THE OUTSIDE LANE WHEN THE
LANE BESIDE YOU IS EMPTY...

Christ, if you think it's bad out west, try it closer to London.
Vehicles just sit in the the lane they've chosen, with no hint of
moving left if there's a space. I hardly ever overtake anyone to
their right on my commute.

A freedom of information request shows that Wiltshire Police issued a
grand total of five fixed penalties in the 18 months since the
'lane-hogging' law. They're no better or worse than all other forces.

I've yet to find out how many they issued to people with foglights
switched on, but when I do, I'll be writing to my MP to ask why the
police are ignoring such a simple revenue stream.

[Eiron]

Post by Krusty
A freedom of information request shows that Wiltshire Police issued a
grand total of five fixed penalties in the 18 months since the
'lane-hogging' law. They're no better or worse than all other forces.

Motorway hogs in Wiltshire is quite a problem.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-wiltshire-30716055

[Krusty]

Post by Eiron

Post by Krusty
A freedom of information request shows that Wiltshire Police issued
a grand total of five fixed penalties in the 18 months since the
'lane-hogging' law. They're no better or worse than all other forces.

Motorway hogs in Wiltshire is quite a problem.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-wiltshire-30716055

Weirdly a few days after that happened I was driving on a backroad near
the M4 a little further east & saw two dead wild boar(s) on the verge.
I've lived in this area for 23 years now & never seen one before.

[Krusty]

Post by Krusty
Weirdly a few days after that happened I was driving on a backroad
near the M4 a little further east & saw two dead wild boar(s) on
the verge. I've lived in this area for 23 years now & never seen
one before.

And you didn't even let me know!

Oops, sorry... It was probably outside your catchment area though (near
the A34 junction).

[Simon Wilson]

Post by Krusty

Post by Krusty
Weirdly a few days after that happened I was driving on a backroad
near the M4 a little further east & saw two dead wild boar(s) on
the verge. I've lived in this area for 23 years now & never seen
one before.

And you didn't even let me know!

Oops, sorry... It was probably outside your catchment area though (near
the A34 junction).

<perk>

[s***@gonemail.com]

Post by Krusty

Post by Krusty
Weirdly a few days after that happened I was driving on a backroad
near the M4 a little further east & saw two dead wild boar(s) on
the verge. I've lived in this area for 23 years now & never seen
one before.

And you didn't even let me know!

Oops, sorry... It was probably outside your catchment area though (near
the A34 junction).

I think I'd have gone that far for a wild boar... if it was fresh. I was
there on Friday and could have strapped it to the back of the K!

[Krusty]

Post by s***@gonemail.com

Post by Krusty

Post by Krusty
Weirdly a few days after that happened I was driving on a
backroad near the M4 a little further east & saw two dead wild
boar(s) on the verge. I've lived in this area for 23 years now
& never seen one before.

And you didn't even let me know!

Oops, sorry... It was probably outside your catchment area though
(near the A34 junction).

I think I'd have gone that far for a wild boar... if it was fresh. I
was there on Friday and could have strapped it to the back of the K!

I'll shout next time. They were on the M4/A34 rat-run in these woods:
https://goo.gl/maps/J8zbZ

[s***@gonemail.com]

Post by Krusty
https://goo.gl/maps/J8zbZ

Thanks.

The B4000 through Stockcross etc? I picked up a deer there once!

Had gone to Aldershot to pick something up and was driving in my pick up
and 'found' a deer by the side of the road. It was still warm when I
'processed' it an hour or two later...

[Hog]

Post by Champ
Christ, if you think it's bad out west, try it closer to London.
Vehicles just sit in the the lane they've chosen, with no hint of
moving left if there's a space. I hardly ever overtake anyone to
their right on my commute.

This is the way in Ireland. Indeed much overtaking is done on the
left and on the hard shoulder, by necessity.

[s***@gonemail.com]

Post by Champ

Post by s***@gonemail.com
Observations, having not done this route at peak commuting time in 6
1) The standard of driving is definitely worse; lane discipline and
failure to drive in a straight fucking line.
2) Most drivers are cowed by speed law fears and are a fair bit slower
than my memory.
3) Point 1, repeated, GET THE FUCK OUT OF THE OUTSIDE LANE WHEN THE LANE
BESIDE YOU IS EMPTY...

Christ, if you think it's bad out west, try it closer to London.
Vehicles just sit in the the lane they've chosen, with no hint of
moving left if there's a space. I hardly ever overtake anyone to
their right on my commute.

I've done London recently (December) a couple of times, but I've never
done that on a daily basis so I wasn't so 'attuned' to the general
standard of driving as I was in the west stretch.

It does seem to change around Reading East, or maybe it's just that's
where the bigger queues start...

[Champ]

Post by s***@gonemail.com
It does seem to change around Reading East, or maybe it's just that's
where the bigger queues start...

The two things are associated, but I'm not sure what is cause and what
is effect.

[ogden]

Post by s***@gonemail.com
Having said all of that, I quite enjoyed it even if I was a bit worried
about grip and couldn't feel much with my hands.

I had a few moments this morning. The only thing stopping the Elephant &
Castle roundabout icing over was the layer of diesel.

[Hog]

Post by s***@gonemail.com
Observations, having not done this route at peak commuting time in 6
1) The standard of driving is definitely worse; lane discipline and
failure to drive in a straight fucking line.
2) Most drivers are cowed by speed law fears and are a fair bit slower
than my memory.
3) Point 1, repeated, GET THE FUCK OUT OF THE OUTSIDE LANE WHEN THE LANE
BESIDE YOU IS EMPTY...

If I am driving any distance these days it's in a big blue van, so my
speed is in the 80 to 90 region. I am finding I stick out like a sore
thumb from 95% of the other traffic even at these modest speeds and
it is making me feel exposed. Driving the length of England late last
night not one single car overtook me, not one, even on the M40. It is
unlikely to end well.

[CT]

Post by Hog
If I am driving any distance these days it's in a big blue van, so my
speed is in the 80 to 90 region. I am finding I stick out like a sore
thumb from 95% of the other traffic even at these modest speeds and
it is making me feel exposed. Driving the length of England late last
night not one single car overtook me, not one, even on the M40. It is
unlikely to end well.

The one, and only time, I've been done for speeding the copper told me
that I was their obvious target as I was going a fair bit faster than
every other car.

I now try to make sure that I sit at a speed where there are at least
one or two vehicles going a little bit faster - which is a right PITA
when no-one is doing over 70.

[Champ]

Post by CT
The one, and only time, I've been done for speeding the copper told me
that I was their obvious target as I was going a fair bit faster than
every other car.
I now try to make sure that I sit at a speed where there are at least
one or two vehicles going a little bit faster

Which is known as the "sacrificial dickhead" (qv).

To paraphrase a Shappi Khorsandi joke[1] [2], if you're the fastest
thing on the motorway, you're probably someone else's sacrificial
dickhead.

[1] "Every woman has a slutty friend. Seriously, ladies, think of all
your friends, yeah? If you can't figure out who the slutty one is
amongst your friends - it's you"

[2] She's not my preffered shape for me, but otherwise pushes all my
buttons - *beautiful face, and very funny and sassy.

[CT]

[Shappi Khorsandi]
[2] She's not my preffered shape for me, but otherwise pushes all my
buttons - *beautiful face, and very funny and sassy.

I'd have put you down as more of a Katherine Ryan person.

[Champ]

Post by CT

[Shappi Khorsandi]
[2] She's not my preffered shape for me, but otherwise pushes all my
buttons - *beautiful face, and very funny and sassy.

I'd have put you down as more of a Katherine Ryan person.

Oh no, not at all.

[Krusty]

Post by Champ
To paraphrase a Shappi Khorsandi joke[1] [2]
[2] She's not my preffered shape for me

"My issue is what it said to half our population about how they were
valued and perceived."

[Champ]

On Mon, 26 Jan 2015 10:01:23 +0000 (UTC), "Krusty"

Post by Krusty

Post by Champ
To paraphrase a Shappi Khorsandi joke[1] [2]
[2] She's not my preffered shape for me

"My issue is what it said to half our population about how they were
valued and perceived."

Are you making a serious point, or just prodding me with a stick?

[Krusty]

Post by Champ
On Mon, 26 Jan 2015 10:01:23 +0000 (UTC), "Krusty"

Post by Krusty

Post by Champ
To paraphrase a Shappi Khorsandi joke[1] [2]
[2] She's not my preffered shape for me

"My issue is what it said to half our population about how they were
valued and perceived."

Are you making a serious point, or just prodding me with a stick?

Slightly serious. You perceive her as being a bit chubby therefore
don't value her as highly as you otherwise would. In short, you're
attaching a value to her physical appearance, which I'm sure is
something a true feminist isn't meant to do.

But mostly just prodding whilst waiting for a DB dump to import.

[Champ]

On Mon, 26 Jan 2015 10:22:42 +0000 (UTC), "Krusty"

Post by Krusty

Post by Champ

Post by Krusty
"My issue is what it said to half our population about how they were
valued and perceived."

Are you making a serious point, or just prodding me with a stick?

Slightly serious. You perceive her as being a bit chubby therefore
don't value her as highly as you otherwise would. In short, you're
attaching a value to her physical appearance, which I'm sure is
something a true feminist isn't meant to do.

Nothing to do with 'value' - as a human being she is worth no more or
less than anyone else. She's just doesn't match the typical type that
I usually "fancy". Not value - fancy. Although, in fact, I fancy her
like mad.

Post by Krusty
But mostly just prodding whilst waiting for a DB dump to import.

Fair enough, caryy on then

[Andy Bonwick]

On 26/01/2015 09:08, CT wrote:

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Post by CT
I now try to make sure that I sit at a speed where there are at least
one or two vehicles going a little bit faster - which is a right PITA
when no-one is doing over 70.

We tried that trick in Germany and ended up at Ballingen nick
subsidising the national economy after they'd decided we could have the
keys and documents for the bikes back.