Post by Brent PPost by gringogoddamnit. do you own a dictionary????
denigrate
?denigration, ?denigrative, denigrator. ?denigratory /-greuhtawree,
-tohree/, adj.
/den"i grayt'/, v.t., denigrated, denigrating.
1. to speak damagingly of; defame or disparage: to denigrate someone's
character.
So, you see now, don't you, that I did not call you a "denigrate". It
isn't a noun, it isn't a pronoun for a noun, it isn't a fruit related to
a pomegranate...it is as I applied it a verb. Shall I produce the
definition of "verb"?
I read it as degenerate.
# pervert: a person whose behavior deviates from what is acceptable
especially in sexual behavior
# debauched: unrestrained by convention or morality; "Congreve draws a
debauched aristocratic society"; "deplorably dissipated and degraded";
"riotous living"; "fast women"
My mistake.
Post by gringoHey, some might say that with the above you have earned the appellation
"moron." I won't get down in the mud with you, child. I'll excuse it as
the frothing of a frustrated child.
Oh fuck off.
your frustration is showing, little man.
Post by Brent PPost by gringoNo, son, I will not selectively trim. EVerything I write is related to
what has been previously written. One sentence leads into the next; each
paragraph builds on the prior paragraph. A scroll mouse will make it
easier to move within a posting, if it is a problem for your.
You trim the quoted material. Otherwise the posts become thousands of
lines long. Get your ass a threaded news reader if your so damned
concerned about context from 10 posts ago.
sonny, my news reader is fine. But see, when I am writing, the only
post in front of me is the one I am responding to. Selective trimming,
as you do it, takes a comment out of context. Obviously, so that you
can then repeat a prior rant, completely ignoring the response I've
already given. The neo-CONS do the same thing. Unlike the right wing
talking heads, though, you can't shout me down. Your "trimming" is the
equivalent of trying to cut off your opponent's microphone. A cheap
trick.
Post by Brent PPost by gringoYour frustration is showing.
Yes, when I am pulling all the weight of the menial work of the
discussion, I get irritated. But then again, what can I expect from
someone who is arguing that everyone else should yield to him because
it's just too much work for him to drive his own vehicle.
you're a fucking crybaby. You're throwing a hissy fit. I can picture
you screaming at the monitor in front of you, just as you scream and
shake your widdle fists at all them meanie truck drivers.
Post by Brent PPost by gringoPost by Brent PPost by gringothere is such a thing still as common courtesy.
Courtsey is following the rules as they are laid out.
Oh, okay. so who lays the rules out, hmmm? You? Or the common practice
of millions of American motorists?
For IL, you can find them at http://www.ilga.gov/ if I remember the url
correctly. These are the agreed upon rules. When people like you make
things up, confusion is the result. Confusion leads to collisions.
This is why we have vehicle codes. Because your made up version of road
rules might not match my made up version.
you are becoming more emotional in your frustration, less rational.
Less able to argue your point. Actually, you've made your point and it
has been repeatedly shot down. BTW, thank you for providing the totally
irrelevant "road rules." Now go back into your newsreader and reread my
last half dozen postings. Perhaps, if you read my comment often enough
you'll come to accept that I never said one fucking thing about traffic
regulations; that I am still talking about the practical, commonsense
practices of the vast majority of all drivers on 3-lane interstates.
You are a stubborn fucker, I'll give you that.
Now, I am tiring of wiping your nose, son. Don't for one minute believe
that when I finally walk away and leave you to cry alone that this will
mean that you have "won" the argument. One of my grandsons was badly
spoiled as a three year old: my advice to the parent was to ignore his
little hissy fit until he tired of kicking and screaming and got up to
go play (without getting his way for once).
Post by Brent PPost by gringoPost by Brent PPost by gringoCourtesy dictates that
one either moves over, speeds up to get out of the way, or changes lanes
to allow /any /vehicle on a get-on ramp to merge.
Everyone following their own imaginary laws of courtesy. In my view,
courtesy is maintaining course and speed so the merger can time a gap in
front or behind as he chooses. See, courtesy varies from person to
person... it's made up law... which you seem to like. That's why it's
written down for everyone to know what the real rules are.
your verbal knife is not sharp enough to split this hair. You know what
they say about "opinions?" Yours is self-serving and ridiculous.
Projection, mr. get out-of-my-way-or-else.
another trip on the merry-go-round?
you're fun!
Post by Brent PPost by gringoMillions of times each day autos and trucks move out of the right lane
to allow a line of oncoming vehicles to more easily merge into the
orderly flow of traffic. In your opinion, it is more courteous to
stubbornly hang on to that lane.
I didn't say any such thing. I am pointing out the reason we have rules
of the road.
sure you did. Since you cut it out in order to belittle my cogent
response, I'll quote your words back at you. You said, "In my view,
courtesy is maintaining course and speed so the merger can time a gap in
front or behind as he chooses. See, courtesy varies from person to person"
your verbal knife is not sharp enough to split this hair. You know what
they say about "opinions?" Yours is self-serving and ridiculous.
Millions of times each day autos and trucks move out of the right lane
to allow a line of oncoming vehicles to more easily merge into the
orderly flow of traffic. In your opinion, it is more courteous to
stubbornly hang on to that lane. Sorry, young 'un, the vast majority of
American drivers disagree with you--and thank god for their commonsense
and courtesy!
No, Brent, courtesy does not vary from person to person--one is either
courteous or one is not. Courtesy is looking out for the needs of other
drivers and courteously doing one's best to accommodate them.
Maintaining course and speed, making no effort to make the merge easier
and safer is in effect saying Fuck you to merging vehicles.
Post by Brent PPost by gringoSorry, young 'un, the vast majority of
American drivers disagree with you--and thank god for their commonsense
and courtesy!
So who's going to cite me when I choose not to get out of your way? When
the lane next to me is occupied. When it's dangerous to change lanes?
When I just don't feel like it? Nobody, that's who. Roads are densely
packed where I drive. Why should I or anyone else move over you and
disturb the flow in the next lane? Your courtsey is what causes
congestion as the ripple your forced enterance onto the limited access
highway spreads left as people dodge you then people dodge the dodgers
and the more have to dodge the people that dodged the dodgers that dodged
your forced enterance on to the road. A brake wave across all lanes of
traffic because of your version of courtsey. You're probably one of these
morons who think letting the left turn conga line through is 'courtsey'
or that sitting there at a green signal to let someone out of a corner
gas station is 'courtsey'. Or maybe, you're the guy who stops his truck
for a bicyclist, blocking view of the lane behind him and blocking
traffic to boot!
brent, I promised not to get personal in my responses to you, but, yeah,
I've been slipping. It's really difficult not to insult blockheads and
immature, know it all boys. Sonny, listen up. No one has been faulting
anyone for behaving in a safe, courteous manner. Like the spoiled,
self-centered brat you are, you have no grown up understanding of the
concept of courtesy. Allow me to educate you to a few facts you'll need
as an adult.
One is acting both courteously and safely when one accommodates another
vehicle's merge WHEN IT IS SAFE TO DO SO. See, the merging traffic WILL
enter the freeway--now or ten minutes from now when it incoveniences
even more people, creating a half hour backup when it could have been
handled relatively painlessly if a courteous adult had caused the
momentary "ripple effect" that so concerns you.
And you're complaining about someone letting a car out of a driveway?
Shit, you're a sillier, whinier bitch than I thought. If it causes me
only a momentary delay, why shouldn't I extend a one-second courtesy
that will save someone else 15 minutes of waiting???
Sonny, what you advocate is just plain rudeness. We have always been a
more caring, considerate, courteous nation than that. YOU benefit from
the courtesy of others all the time; only you never passes it on to
others. Bah! Humbug! Careful there, sonny, or you'll wake up one day
to find that everyone has labeled you a rude, crude, mama's boy who
never gets invited anywhere.
Grow up.
Post by Brent PPost by gringoKeep talking. Every word you utter ads to the weight sitting on your
shoulders as you try to climb out of the quicksand you stepped into when
you made this ridiculous, self-serving argument.
You're really into projection and declarations. The vehicle code sides
with me. You have your imaginary get-out-the-way-of-trucks law.
put another 50 cents in the meter, sonny, if you're gonna continue to ride.
courtesy does not vary from person to person--one is either courteous or
one is not. Courtesy is looking out for the needs of other drivers and
courteously doing one's best to accommodate them. Maintaining course
and speed is in effect saying Fuck you to merging vehicles.
Post by Brent PPost by gringoPost by Brent PAnd you've just made yourself proof that MFFY drivers count on, and
expect other drivers to yield to their aggressiveness, vehicle size, etc.
You've had so many people yield to you, that you now expect it. You don't
bother with the law you expect people to yield to you. When someone
doesn't you're offended. It's become an entitlement to you. Thanks for
being proof that 'just let them do it' only results in more MFFY behavior.
cute acronym there.
The acronym is scott's.
ah. I see. you two boys need backup against this one lone trucker.
Post by Brent PPost by gringoYoung man, there is an undeniable fact at play here.
Old coot....
Post by gringoAll your harping will not change it one iota. A tractor trailer rig is
70-75' long, 13'6" tall and even empty it is ten times heavier than the
heaviest car on the road.
Might makes right. If I mount 30mm cannons on my car, that means you
yield to me, right?
wipe your tears, son.
I yield to all autos whenever they adequately signal their intentions,
and I can do so safely. I yield to emergency vehicles and law
enforcement whenever they adequately signal their intentions and I can
do so safely. But run up behind me 90 mph rudely flashing your
lights...running off onto the shoulder to put the lights in my mirror, I
just might stubbornly slow down a bit and stay right there in your way
for the next ten miles. Now something just occurred to me--that might
be your entire problem with trucks! Be rude to me, demanding that I
move right now for you, I too might purposely hold you up.
Post by Brent PPost by gringoInside that 53' trailer we haul everything you
wear, eat and wipe your ass with. You cannot survive in today's world
without us.
I can learn to drive a big truck. Can you design the products in the truck?
The truck itself? The road it drives upon? I don't think so. Without me
and my kind, you have no products to haul, no truck to drive, and no road
to drive it upon. Who needs who?
you do, little man.
I seriously doubt that you can learn to drive a truck. You lack the
patience. You lack the humility necessary to learn true road skills.
As for me and most other truckers.... We come from all walks of life,
all levels of education. We are lawyers, retired physicians,
accountants, cops, engineers, factory workers--we are strong emotionally
and physically, we aren't afraid of being alone for weeks at a time, we
are confident of our abilities, we are a large, diverse family. We are
exceedingly polite and courteous. We stop to help stranded folks and
accident victims when people like you barrel on by: we are, in fact, the
knights of the highway. No, sonny, you cannot become a trucker. You
might pass the tests, but you wouldn't last long enough to be assigned a
truck of your own.
Post by Brent PPost by gringoLook at the Gulf Coast of LA and MS: the recovery didn't
begin--hell, even the rescue didn't begin--until the truckers rolled in.
You have an inflated view of your importance.
I live down here, bucko. I witnessed it firsthand.
the recovery didn't
begin--hell, even the rescue didn't begin--until the truckers rolled in.
Post by Brent PPost by gringoNo, son, we don't claim to be any more special than the members of any
other occupation.
You just did that very thing.
Goddam, you are a whining ass.
Re-read the following, since you couldn't comprehend it the first time.
Young man, there is an undeniable fact at play here. All your harping
will not change it one iota. A tractor trailer rig is 70-75' long, 13'6"
tall and even empty it is ten times heavier than the heaviest car on the
road. Inside that 53' trailer we haul everything you wear, eat and wipe
your ass with. You cannot survive in today's world without us. Look at
the Gulf Coast of LA and MS: the recovery didn't begin--hell, even the
rescue didn't begin--until the truckers rolled in.
No, son, we don't claim to be any more special than the members of any
other occupation.
But ain't nobody trying to pile on line workers at a mfg plant. We are
merely reiterating endlessly to you spoiled little boys in your cute
little sporty cars and your top-heavy, narrow wheelbased SUVs and your
bulky slow as a salted snail motorhomes that we are a necessary part of
American society. Due to our bulk and weight, we have special needs. We
need for you spoiled kiddies to yield to us a bit more often than you'd
yield to a stranger's car. In fact, we demand it. What you won't give,
sometimes we are forced to take. And there is not one damned thing you
can do to stop it.
So get over it, young man.
Post by Brent PPost by gringoWe are merely reiterating endlessly to you spoiled little
boys in your cute little sporty cars and your top-heavy, narrow
wheelbased SUVs and your bulky slow as a salted snail motorhomes that we
are a necessary part of American society.
We pay for you to be on the road. We pay more than our fair share because
of the damage you do. We pay for your salaries, we pay for your fuel, we
pay for your trucks, and we pay for and die in the wars to fuel your trucks.
thank you very much. Sonny, the world is interconnected: we all need
one another. I am aware of that fact. Apparently you are not, since
you keep trying to belittle truckers' contributions to society.
Firefighters, in order to perform the services they provide society,
require station houses, fire trucks, sirens and special laws that say
that everyone must give them right of way. Truckers, in order to
deliver the freight you need in order to perform your job and the paper
you need to wipe your shitty ass, require certain dispensations from
society. To wit: We require extra room on the highways, we require the
patience of you 4wheelers when we slow you down, and sometimes we
require you to make it easier for us to merge.
Firefighters do not ask whether you like having to pull over and let
them pass, whether you like streets being blocked while they fight a
fire at the home of someone you don't even know. Truckers do not have
the time, energy or inclination to wait patiently till you're safely
home before we come onto the freeway on our way to deliver someone
else's Christmas presents.
You can'd do a goddamn thing but surrender to the greater needs of the
firetrucks. You cannot do a goddamn thing but surrender to the greater
needs of all other trucks as well. You don't like having to? Well,
that's just too damn bad. Buy a big box of kleenex to dry your tears,
and get on with life.
Grow the fuck up.
Post by Brent PPost by gringoDue to our bulk and weight, we have special needs.
Poor baby. If I were to complain about special needs while traveling by
bicycle you'd tell me to stuff it. So stuff it.
we provide for the greater good of society. You on your bike
provide...what? BTW, allow me to set you straight. We don't ask for
your blessing, sonny. We don't need it. You are a tiny pissant, one of
millions of cars we encounter each day. sorry to hurt your feelings,
kid, but you just are not very important to us.
Post by Brent PPost by gringoWe need for you spoiled kiddies to yield to us a bit
more often than you'd yield to a stranger's car. In fact, we demand it.
What you won't give, sometimes we are forced to take.
Suck an egg. You're not special, get over yourself.
Young man, there is an undeniable fact at play here. All your harping
will not change it one iota. A tractor trailer rig is 70-75' long, 13'6"
tall and even empty it is ten times heavier than the heaviest car on the
road. Inside that 53' trailer we haul everything you wear, eat and wipe
your ass with. You cannot survive in today's world without us. Look at
the Gulf Coast of LA and MS: the recovery didn't begin--hell, even the
rescue didn't begin--until the truckers rolled in. No, son, we don't
claim to be any more special than the members of any other occupation.
But ain't nobody trying to pile on line workers at a mfg plant. We are
merely reiterating endlessly to you spoiled little boys in your cute
little sporty cars and your top-heavy, narrow wheelbased SUVs and your
bulky slow as a salted snail motorhomes that we are a necessary part of
American society. Due to our bulk and weight, we have special needs. We
need for you spoiled kiddies to yield to us a bit more often than you'd
yield to a stranger's car. In fact, we demand it. What you won't give,
sometimes we are forced to take.
So get over it, young man.
Post by Brent PPost by gringoSo get over it, young man.
You get over it old coot.
:) Did not: did too: did not! Golly, you're still into kids games, I see.
Post by Brent PPost by gringoPost by Brent PLast time I gave an inch to a trucker he took a mile and ran me off the
road.
I'm sure. Son, an inch is never enough when you're dealing with a truck.
It's a figure of speach, stupid acting old coot.
Post by gringogouge the gas pedal and get out of his way; slow down drastically and
when his trailer is clear of you, flash your lights on and off to let
him know he's clear. What you should not do is grip your steering wheel
tightly, gnash your teeth and maintain your present pace at the truck's
side. You'd be surprised at the fools who will slow down there beside
him instead of completing their pass.
An bow to the master trucker, the superior being of the road! Screw them.
I paid more than my fair share to use that road, I paid part of the
trucker's share. Trucker needs to learn he's not special, he's just
another road user.
You have no choice, sonny. You will yield. You can do so courteously,
and earn mutual respect from the trucker. You can do so when he forces
you to give him the needed room, and for the next 30 miles every other
trucker out there will interfere with you as much as they can.
Post by Brent PPost by gringoPost by Brent PPost by gringogladly. you stay the fuck out of my only legal passing lane, I'll give
you the entire left lane.
If you've caught up to me, it's because I'm blocked in. I am a real ass
to drivers like you. You come up my ass when I am blocked I'll signal,
move over and put my hand out the window offering you the spot I was in.
The one that's BLOCKED.
Ah. you just admitted to being one of those aggressive helldrivers who
feel justified in driving 90, weaving like a snake in heat through
you're a real ass to all other motorists.
Ah. you just admitted to being one of those grey little aliens that give
people anal probes. That's about as logically connected as the sentance
you made above.
Let me explain it slower to you. I'm going 60mph, stuck behind someone
going 60mph, while some self important trucker decides to ride my ass, to
make me go faster. I can't go faster, because there is a vehicle in front
of me doing 60mph. If I go faster, I will collide with that vehicle. When
I get an opening in the lane to the right, I move over and give the self
important trucker the spot I was in. Now he's still doing 60mph, unless
he hits the vehicle that was slowing me. I accelerate to the speed of
traffic provided all goes well and leave the trucker behind.
Understand now?
Sonny, if you moved over for the trucker, it's only logical that the car
that was holding you up will also move over, leaving him free to pass
the slower traffic. Do you now understand why he would do it?
Post by Brent PPost by gringoPost by Brent PUm no. I'm long gone.
of course you are. weaving like a horny snake through traffic. And
goddamn any trucker who happens to get in your way for even a moment.
While you're running down people with your truck! You want to play this
way?
Again, I am forced to reverse your "edit."
of course you are. weaving like a horny snake through traffic. And
goddamn any trucker who happens to get in your way for even a moment.
Sonny, it ain't the trucker that's inconsiderate in your case. Quite
obviously to all now, you are the problem. On your bike on a two-lane
truck route? Yeah, I understand now. You're claiming the entire lane (at
5 mph)--no damned wonder the drivers who finally are able to pass you
are tempted to shove you into a ditch.
Post by Brent PPost by gringoSonny, it ain't the trucker that's inconsiderate in your case.
Coot, you want to assume a lot of nonsense about my driving to attack my
character. I haven't yet personally said you do anything but what you
have clearly stated and agreed with after I did so. You want to have a
discussion or character attacks back and forth? I can do the later, and
if this continues it will start before this post is over.
Sonny, you are bringing it on yourself. You state a lot of nonsense
about your driving then get all het up when called on it. You act
rudely; you refuse to yield; you drive 90+ on busy city freeways; you
take it personally when people won't get out of your way, yet you whine
when anyone courteously allows a car to leave a gas station driveway.
You have admitted to all of the above. You are a rude, immature boy.
Post by Brent PPost by gringoQuite
obviously to all now, you are the problem. On your bike on a two-lane
truck route? Yeah, I understand now. You're claiming the entire lane (at
5 mph)--no damned wonder the drivers who finally are able to pass you
are tempted to shove you into a ditch.
Now you're really hitting below the belt. Should I accuse you of ramming
people with your truck?
I don't ride in the middle of lane, and I rarely dip below 20mph on
arterial roads. Most people can pass me easily. Except retarded drivers
like yourself who get their rocks off by getting as close to killing
other road users. You practically admit there. You like threatening other
road users, giving them a good scare right. After all, you're an
important trucker. You got places to be. You got deadlines and the
economy is going in the toilet if you're 3 seconds late!
You sure you want to keep playing this way? Just a degenerate thread of
personal attacks? Sure about that coot?
:) we'll play however you like. You accuse truckers of taking a
personal dislike of you and purposely trying to kill you on your bike.
You don't for one moment consider the driver's point of view. Maybe he
couldn't see over the next hill, guy, and he is very aware of how long
it will take him to move into the oncoming lane and back; maybe he
didn't see your dumbass till he was on top of you.
Now, please explain to me how your above paragraph was any more
insulting to me and other truckers than every other paragraph you've
written. Forgive me now while I pause to wipe my tears.
Post by Brent PPost by gringoPost by Brent PWell... why don't you just pass on the right, exactly what you expect us
to do.
As noted about 100 times to you already, son, the right lane is filled
with entering and exiting traffic.
So where is the vehicle you're tailgating supposed to go? Block the left
lane so you can go a little faster until you end up tailgating the next
driver.
The car can move to the left lane, doofus: thanks to the lane
restrictions you favor, trucks cannot move to the left lane, regardless
of how fast they can go.
y'all can either learn to stay the fuck out of truckers' passing lane
when you don't want to drive the speed limit or complain till the
restrictions are lifted. See how simple that is?
Post by Brent PPost by gringoIf to please short-sighted folks like
you, lane restrictions are in place, I cannot go to the left lane; I am
forced to crowd those who clog my passing lane going 50 mph.
Poor baby. If they are passing traffic to their right, and you just said
they are, then tough cookies. Think of it this way, at least they aren't
micropassing. Oh that's right, we are supposed to live with you truckers
taking over the left lane to micropass. You're special... you can
micropass but nobody can micropass in front of you.
I did not say they are passing anyone--I said quite plainly that they
are reluctant to ride the right lane with the other slow traffic because
at every exit, people are coming on and getting off. I don't blame
anyone for not wanting to interact with so much merging traffic.
However, I do blame them for hogging the only legal passing lane
available to trucks. They have two choices: they can move right where
they belong, or they can move left into the path of speed freaks like
you. They do not have the option of remaining till the end of time in
front of me unless they are willing to drive the speed limit. I didn't
legislate the damned lane restrictions lauded by you so frequently.
Perhaps if enough people bitch and moan about being pressed, they'll
insist the restrictions be lifted.
Now, if they are lifted, and trucks are permitted to drive the same
speed limit as cars, undoubtedly you would encounter more trucks in the
left lane. But those trucks would all be driving 70, the top speed YOU
are permitted to drive. If 70 is deemed the safest top speed by state
officials, then the effect of the changes mentioned would be to lower
the overall speed of traffic on the highway. Safer for all. YOU would
no longer be able to drive 90-100+, but you are real good at whining
already.
Post by Brent PPost by gringoPost by Brent PPoor baby... I once got to hear a bunch of truckers whine in court about
being ticketed on I294 for being in the left lane(s). 'they wouldn't let me
over' whine whine whine. The excuses I heard were lame. I was there for
a speeding ticket BTW... 89mph as I recall... That's when I learned not
to drive faster than the ISP, who that many years ago went 80-85mph. Now
they go more like 85-90mph.
that is precisely what you have been claiming, that trucks should wait
patiently wherever they are until the needed lane is vacant for two
miles in both directions. They would not have gotten the tickets, you
see, if they had TAKEN the lane, forcing aggressive, inconsiderate
assholes to yield.
They should have never been in those lanes in the first place. Not being
able to get back was just a whine.
you've never encountered lanes merging from the left, I take it? Left
exits, highway meldings, to avoid a damned 4wheeler who slams on brakes
in front of him...lots of reasons a truck might find himself in the left
lanes and unable to get over. Mainly because inconsiderate, smug, rude,
arrogant speed freaks refused to allow them to get back to the right.
They would not have gotten the tickets, you
see, if they had TAKEN the lane, forcing aggressive, inconsiderate
assholes to yield.
Post by Brent PPost by gringoEvery posting you make is another stone astride your weak argument.
Every time you make this declaration shows you know you're losing.
this is getting old. I'm tiring of the merry go round, little man. You
live in chicago; you apparently enjoy running in circles. You certainly
seem to be stuck for any other argument: you keep restating the same
silly whine in an endless loop.
My argument is in the right. Therefore, I am pushing your immature,
rude ass all around this here freeway.
Post by Brent PPost by gringoPost by Brent PYou drive 90+ mph in that rig? Because in chicago, the fastest vehicles
are usually at 90+ on four wheels, 100-120mph on two.
sigh. I visit chicago at most 2-3 times a year. I drive team with the
wife; we make west coast turns. I've been to chicago and the northeast
enough to know that the worst, most aggressive assholes in America are
found up there. And in IL, IN and OH, truck speeds are 30-50 mph slower
than you Andrettis. Can't you understand just how ludicrous, how
dangerous that speed differential is???? And, no, in most of the nation,
the average freeway speed through cosmo areas is about 75.
Well wooptie do. So you aren't the fastest traffic. At just under 75mph
on I294 in lightish traffic one will be one of the slowest vehicles on
the road. I should know, I was in the rightmost lane last night... cop
was doing at ~85mph.
You keep illustrating my points for me. Thanks. Andretti wannabes like
yourself driving 85-100, trucks restricted to 55. In your neighborhood,
restrictions make trucks into large, heavy, rolling roadblocks. Of
course we get in your way. Shit, your argument should not be with
truckers; place the blame where it belongs, on the fat cats in the limos
who created such asinine anti-truck, anti-traveler, unsafe legislation.
Post by Brent PPost by gringoPost by Brent PPost by gringoBesides, commonsense dictates that 70-75' rigs filling the
right lane interfere with the easy flow of traffic, on and off the
road.
The torqueless wondercar could do a 70mph merge...
My point, yes. But just how many dumbass 4wheelers have you seen come to
a complete stop at the end of a ramp, waiting for a vehicle approaching
a mile away to move to the next lane?
So your poor driving is justified by their poor driving. Weak argument.
don't be so fucking silly. again with the selective trimming. Your
above comment has nothing at all to do with the following statement you
were supposedly replying to.
My point, yes. But just how many dumbass 4wheelers have you seen come to
a complete stop at the end of a ramp, waiting for a vehicle approaching
a mile away to move to the next lane?
Post by Brent PPost by gringoPost by Brent PPost by gringoYour grandfather was wiser than you are: he and his generation
all recognized that /all/ thru traffic should stay left and out of the way.
Actually back in his day, people still practiced keep right except to
pass. The breakdown of keep right except to pass occured in the 1970s
with the double nickle.
Sigh. Again I am referring to 3 or more lanes. on 2 freeway lanes
wherever there are restrictions, signs are now posted that only restrict
TRUCKS to the right lane.
Keep right except to pass and the breakdown of that behavior doesn't
depend on the number of lanes. That breakdown occured in the 1970s. Prior
to that, it was practiced contrary to your claim it was an LLBing
paradise of thru traffic keep left.
sure it does, doofus. A truck may in fact be faster than the traffic in
the right and middle lane, but in far too many states nowadays, he is
not permitted to even PASS in the left lane for any reason whatsoever.
BTW, in several cities, and in portions of a highway in CA (the first
state to implement lane restrictions), trucks and all other *thru*
traffic is still instructed to "keep left."
Post by Brent PPost by gringoPost by Brent PYou very well did. No lane discipline, no restrictions, slow ass trucks
where ever they want to be.
No, I did not. I stated emphatically that *all* thru traffic should stay
left.
Slow drivers are never thru traffic in your fantasy world?
The word "slow" is a relative term, isn't it. Downtown Shreveport,
allowed freeway speed is only
45 for a few miles. Freeways through cities are of necessity much
slower than open highway speeds. Through EL Paso, I take the left lane
and get the hell out of dodge, at speeds up to my own maximum of 78;
traffic does not back up behind me, and cops leave me alone--because I
am not impeding traffic. Out in the open desert of southern california
(truck speed 55), a driver can get a ticket for 59, but farther in where
traffic is much much heavier, we all know that we can get away with 70
or more.
But more directly to your question, where those signs existed, there
were usually 4 or more lanes. Two for thru traffic; two for locals. NJ
Turnpike and a few other places--incl parts of Chicago-- have special
trucker bypass lanes. Truckers MUST use them, but even there the
fucking cars won't leave us alone--there's usually more car traffic than
trucks in the separated truck "bypass" lanes.
Post by Brent PPost by gringoPost by Brent PPost by gringoIn fact, I said just the opposite. That truck
lane restrictions create conflict between faster traveling trucks and
slow moving local traffic.
Trucks are slow moving traffic.
in your kind of state, yes. Two mph over can get a truck a ticket in IL.
Doesn't stop them. They are moving well over 2 over, but still slow
moving traffic. Hell 20 over is often slow moving traffic.
We do what we can. We don't wake up every morning wondering, "Now, how
many four wheelers can I fuck with today!"
Post by Brent PPost by gringoBut everywhere else, there is a wide range of truck speeds. JB Hunt,
about 62; US Xpress, 65-67; lots are restricted to 52-55; but most can
go 69-72. My top speed is 78, but some trucks are wide open, capable of
triple digits. Still, considerably slower than your sporty car can do.
We wouldn't be an impediment to you if we were permitted to drive 89+.
Funny, in one instance you are claiming you need special consideration
for the poor braking and handling of your vehicles and here you are
saying you should be permitted to drive speeds that I wouldn't take my
'73 ford to except on an empty road and it handles and brakes a lot
better than your rig.
I didn't claim any reasonable person would actually drive a truck 89+ in
chicago traffic, merely that, hey if we were not so discriminated
against (restricted to 55), we would be less impediment to you.
Post by Brent PPost by gringoPost by Brent PAround here a line of trucks form in the middle lane... up to a half a
dozen front to back... then one decides he wants to pass so he illegally
pulls into the left lane and begins a pass that takes about ten miles to
complete while cars stack up behind the blockage.
yeah, that is precisely my rant, that truck restrictions create the
problem in the first place. Trucks do not bunch up out of choice. I want
as much open space around me on all sides as I can get.
I want open space too... we can all dream.
Post by gringoIn IL moving to that left lane can get that driver a very steep fine. Do
you now understand why a truck might be tempted to tailgate traffic
clogging his only legal passing lane?
I wish the ISP would enforce it more. I understood from the get go,
doesn't make it right. You'd chide me up one side and down the other if I
said I had to tailgate, intimidate, etc some LLBing driver in a minivan.
But at least my car has better braking than anything I might be
tailgating. Can you say the same about your rig?
Don't need it, actually. The size intimidation factor comes into play.
Only a fool tailgates a car that cannot get out of the way either ahead
or to the side--most truckers are not so foolish. But when a car rudely
chooses to chug away at 50 in trucks' only passing lane with an open
lane on either side and/or plenty of room ahead, the fact of the matter
is that he will be tailgated, either by another car or a truck. If it's
a truck, the sight of that tall grill in his rear view will most likely
encourage the fool to move to the slower lane. I do tailgate one of
these fools occasionally--on, say, I-75 in FL. But only very carefully
and as a last resort.
We truckers are not ogres. We do a hard job as safely and as
responsibly as we can. We take an immense pride in our job
performance--we work with no direct supervision, so if we didn't act
responsibly, the entire nation would pay the price.
Seriously, Brent, we'd all be driving little short, light stepvans
across country if it were our choice; we'd drive on our very own special
commercial traffic only highways. We'd never encounter a car or pickup
or camper or bicycle. But as you said, it ain't a perfect world. Sorry.
Post by Brent PPost by gringoPost by Brent PPost by gringothe slow cars and campers and stepvans
driven on the clock all seem to have your attitude--they expect the
truck to pass (on the left) if they want to go faster.
Ahem... you don't have a clue how I drive. But I'll remind you, trucks
don't catch up to me unless I am A) blocked by a slow moving vehicle like
another truck. B) I'm in the rightmost lane. C) both.
sure I do; you have reiterated it often enough. You're overly
aggressive. Driving 90+ as you admit to, you'd have to be in order to
get through chicago traffic.
That's entirely false. In fact, if you paid attention to my posts you'd
note that I don't go 90mph or faster. I always say I drive slower than
the ISP drives. The ISP drives 85mph-90mph. that means I don't exceed
those speeds. I might be going 55mph or 75mph or 80mph, but certainly not
90+mph.
Post by gringoPost by Brent PPost by gringoBut, see, we
can't. Your lane restrictions keep us to the right. Where we are then
forced to tailgate and make sometimes dangerous lane changes into the
supposed slowest lane.
You're forced to tailgate.... hmm.. if I gave that excuse about
tailgating an LLB (which I try not to do) you wouldn't accept it, and I am
not going to accept it here.
there's tailgating and then there's tailgating. When the lane to the
front is clear; when at least one of the other lanes is clear, the
motorhome clogging my only passing lane is driving 50, brother, you can
bet your dumb ass that I WILL tailgate him till he moves. First I will
attempt it politely, but if he will not move, I will gradually get more
aggressive with him till he gets the message. You're lying to us if you
are claiming that you never do likewise, flashing your lights, etc, when
a $%$^ truck or a $%$$%%^ car just will not allow you to maintain your
normal 90+ mph.
Again, I don't have a normal 90+ mph.
And falshing lights and tailgating are exclusive. I use the left turn
signal from pretty far back if you really must know.
How I normally pass on relatively open road: I'm looking far ahead.
Knowing that I am about to overtake a truck or car in my lane, I begin
to watch my mirrors. If in my judgment a line of approaching vehicles
will reach my side (but not have time to get past me) about the time I
get on the tail of the one in front, I will go ahead and move to the
passing lane. This stops me from having to slow drastically, which
means that I am less of an impediment to others. Oh yes, sometimes, the
cars do move to the right to pass me b4 I complete my pass, but because
I am able to maintain my speed, I don't have to "micro-pass," which as
you relate, slows both lanes drastically. I admit to being irritated by
trucks that wait till I am almost beside them to signal that they too
want to pass a slower vehicle. This last second move forces them (and
me) to drastically slow--and everyone coming up behind me to slow. I
think my method is far better for all concerned. A minor irritant to
the cars who are forced to pass me on the right, but if they (or those
coming up behind them) had to wait for me to build my speed back up
after being forced to slow, the tiny sty in the eye expands into a boulder.
Post by Brent PPost by gringoIt is difficult not to refer to you as at least a poor reader. For the
last time, young 'un, I did not once claim there is any such law
anywhere.
Your made up road rules then.
sigh. get off the carnival ride, young man. I will not explain my
statement again.
Post by Brent PPost by gringoWhat I did say is that in the state of CT, big freeway signs
do so designate the lanes.
Yet you apply that to the whole nation. Hint: regulatory signs apply to
where they are. They are there because that's a special case there.
don't be an ass. if you bother to read the entire paragraph before
beginning your response, you might understand what I'm saying.
Post by Brent PPost by gringoBut that there, and everywhere else it is in
fact standard practice for the vast majority of drivers to employ the
middle lane as their primary travel lane. Don't act so dense. Don't be
so goddamned facetious. You ain't stupid, son, you understood what I said.
There's the way things are supposed to work, and the way they have
degenerated because of people who play by made up rules like you. I've
driven the autobahn, where people actually obey what is the law here in
most the US too. It's wonderful. The truckers on the autobahn are rather
well behaved too.
it is in fact standard practice for the vast majority of drivers to employ the
middle lane as their primary travel lane. Don't act so dense. Don't be
so goddamned facetious. You ain't stupid, son, you understood what I said.
I didn't invent the general practice, I didn't implement the restrictions. Blame your citizenry who whine that trucks are an impediment to their 5 mile rides home from work (thereby making us an impediment).
Post by Brent PPost by gringoPost by Brent PPost by gringoPost by Brent P<car1 <car2 <car3<TRUCK
Car three is going the same speed as one and two, but the trucker is on
his ass.
obviously, #2 should not be pacing the #1 car. as he approached, the
trucker watched, probably from the middle lane,
The <'s indicate direction they are all in the same lane.
duh. same different. If the other legal truck lane is traveling even
slower, some trucks will in fact crowd one car at a time to get the fuck
over or move the fuck on down the road. I myself have more patience--I
don't crowd a vehicle that cannot move out of my way; most of us do not.
So you tailgate someone who can't do a damn thing. That would be when
I've been tailgated by truckers. Guess what it's done to my opinon of
the people in your profession. Ever consider winning friends instead of
enemies?
can't you read child? Here is what I just said:
I myself have more patience--I
don't crowd a vehicle that cannot move out of my way; most of us do not.
Post by Brent PPost by gringoPost by Brent PI don't know about the fines, but just about every trip on I90/94 and a
good percentage on I294 I see truckers violating them.
yeah, I've been tempted too. But it sure as hell is not the average
trucker. Write congress, demand that the restrictions be rescinded and
the truck limit be increased, and lots of chicago backups will disappear
immediately. I guarantee it. Accident rate will also drop. Statistics
prove it.
Bullshit. The truckers don't obey the lane restrictions and the result is
congestion. If I write anything it will be for stronger enforcement. I am
tired of their lardass vehicles blocking the left lanes of I90/94 and I
certainly don't want them in the ryan express... not that some truckers
don't do it anyway.
Silly boy. Most of us do in fact obey the lane restrictions--but it
sure as hell ain't by choice. Any congestion around trucks ain't caused
by the trucks, you ninny. Examine if you will the word "congestion."
Congestion in the chest is caused by more mucuous being produced than
the lungs' tubes can get rid of. Traffic congestion is caused by a city
generating more traffic than its
tubes (freeways) can handle. About 12 million live and work within
fifty miles of the Chicago's heart. Your freeways are clogged at 2 am
for chrissakes! Sure, it takes a helluva lot of daily truckloads to
service you people. But for every truck on your highways at 8 am, there
are about 250 cars. You who live and work in Chicago create your own
congestion. If 80% of you took advantage of available mass transit,
bucko, the highways would be damned near empty during rush hour.
Forcing trucks to clog the right lanes creates a helluva congestion at
every exit in the city. Forcing trucks to become 55 mph roadblocks in a
sea of 80 mph cars rushing to/from work is the epitome of stupidity.
Post by Brent PPost by gringoPost by Brent PPost by gringoIf nobody can get
through, bucko, it's because the traffic is stop and go, bottled up and
not by the trucks.
When I finally get by the trucks, it's daylight. I can punch it up to
whatever speed my car can go or I want to go as the case may be.
so, don't allow your state to make trucks rolling roadblocks. Up the
speed limit, eliminate the speed differential. It ain't our fault your
short-sighted public demanded that trucks be slowed down so much.
There's no separate speed limit through chicago. Effectively, there is no
speed limit at all. Of course given the way it's laid out, trucks cant go
much faster than they are going safely anyway. This is why they need to
stay right.
Since the urban speed limit is 55, those driving 30-40 mph faster are a
far greater danger to the safety of everyone than the poor maligned
truckers.
Post by Brent PPost by gringoPost by Brent PPost by gringoSome trucks can go only 52, some can go 80; the
faster does not pace the slower by choice (unlike so many auto
drivers).
What, the trucker doesn't know his own vehicle before he heads out on the
road? Guess that's pretty apparent by the driving I see.
are you merely tired or are you such a poor reader? I won't justify such
a silly statement with a reply. no, I will. I guess I will have to
explain it to you in terms a 3rd grader can understand. Some trucking
fleets are governed to only 52; others are not governed at all. The
driver is not asked for his input when he takes the job, he must drive
the truck he is assigned. And, yes, sonny, the truck is well aware of
his top speed.
And my response, since you didn't grasp it, is that he has to deal with
it. Not everyone else.
Sure he does. So do you: you have no choice--you cannot ban the hauling
of freight on interstates. Can't you grasp that one unassailable fact????
Now, will you please stop whining and go play race car driver on your
sports car NG?
Post by Brent PPost by gringoBut a truck that can drive 55 will not be content to be held back by a
53 mph truck; he will pass when he can. Ain't his fault. Blame it on the
laws, on the fleet he's driving for... on the tough tittie he is forced
to suckle. It's a fact that you and I both have to deal with, that slow
vehicles will move out to pass slower vehicles. Crying about will not
change the fact.
Again, you think you can inflict your woes on everyone else. NOw that
would be like riding a bicycle slowly in the middle of the lane.
you have no choice--you cannot ban the hauling of freight on
interstates. Can't you grasp that one unassailable fact????
Now, will you please stop whining and go play race car driver on your
sports car NG?
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