Post by Tony PerrettaPost by Alexis AiosaPost by Tony PerrettaPost by Alexis AiosaMy questioning now is...Is Orren Merton suited to be a moderator?
My views align entirely with his - so maybe we should both resign.
Perhaps, Tony...If that is how you feel. I can't argue a man, with a
level head that just made sense in their dialogue.
Sorry?
I was giving praise to your implied decision and congratulating you for
being a bigger man to do so.
Post by Tony PerrettaI have no interest in
moderating, and have never moderated, the L-OT.
Great. I was never asked. How do you like that...LOL. I guess they
think I am mess or something...LOL. Rightfully so...LOL, since most
seem to think so. But get to know me, and you will find different.
But, even if I was offered, I probably wouldn't...since I couldn't
possibly devote the attention it deserved.
I think that they chose people, then asked...was Dennis ever asked?
eeeh...perish the thought...LOL. I would have to Runawaaaaaay,
runawaaaaay. Actually, I think Dennis would make a great Admin for
LUG, but not for L-OT...LOL.
Post by Tony PerrettaPost by Alexis Aiosaa) One does have to be pliable when positioned with authority.
huh?
If a person takes on a responsibility, they have to be flexible and
open to change.
pli·a·ble Pronunciation Key (pl-bl)
adj.
1. Easily bent or shaped. See Synonyms at malleable.
2. Receptive to change; adaptable: pliable attitudes.
3. Easily influenced, persuaded, or swayed; tractable.
Post by Tony PerrettaPost by Alexis Aiosab) One should question themselves, if viably questioned by others.
Agreed.
Well then...what I see Henrik in total frustration. Do you honestly
think that it is okay to take a "well respected colleague of ours" and
push him to his limits of frustration. When he is in fact posing the
best support for the concept? Anybody with true objectivity reads what
he is saying will say, "hey, he is making sense." Which I did
insinuate in my last post to.
Post by Tony PerrettaPost by Alexis AiosaThis is why we have things like Internal Affairs, with regards to
police...IA's position is very clear...To watch the watchers. Sorry
to
say it, so far, most of the Mod Squad seems to be set on regarding
Admin's as being right and that is it. Case Closed.
This is not the case - the moderators have all talked about this and
some of us
are unclear (I include myself) as to the rôle of the L-OT.
Okay...Then why moderate what is unclear to you even?
Post by Tony PerrettaHence the poll. Hence
many of the msgs by moderators merely defending Jeremy's position as
list admin.
I never questioned his position...in fact what you were originally
responding to was me questioning Orren's Position with his own
diatribe...LOL. Right? I made quite clear in the original that I
thought Jeremy was being more level headed than Orren was...remember?
Post by Tony PerrettaPost by Alexis AiosaI heard no admission of possibilities that indicate, that some of US
may be right in our views.
You can't have been reading all the emails then.
Are you kidding me? ...Ack! Mostly yes...but really fixated on Henrik
and Jeremy. But I can't read it all. But teddybut also stated some
interesting things. But some I just can't read through, just cause it
is pure babble and divides, rather than bring a conclusion that
everyone is content with.
Post by Tony PerrettaI have said that I have no
position as to what the L-OT should be. Though I do have a
philosophical
position with repsect to the freedom of speech arguments put forward
by others.
It might be that u did not realise I was an admin.
You said to me...you agreed and stood by Orren's words...therefore by
indicating that was your position. I know your an Admin, just as I
know there is a Mr. Simpson, Orren Merton, YOU and Jeremy are Admins,
though I don't really know the others.
Again...you wrote, in view of Orren:
My views align entirely with his - so maybe we should both resign.
You aligned yourself with Orren. Which made you seem like you made
your decision.
Post by Tony PerrettaPost by Alexis AiosaNone of the Admins here have said..."Hmmm,
Henrik, I think you have made the best case".
Maybe if we thought he had we would have said so.
Well, that depends. Are you looking at it from a position of being an
Admin or looking at it as "objectively" removed from being either?
That right there is what being in an authoritative positions is about.
That is what WE are questioning...are U looking at this objectively?
What is good for the collective, not the one.
Post by Tony PerrettaPost by Alexis AiosaGet my drift. So far
two factions, in disagreement and yet no compromise is being made.
Er ... Jeremy has agreed to let the poll dictate the nature of the
list. What
more compromise would u propose?
Again, all I see is Henrik in total frustration. I voted, yet there
seems to be no resolution. Because now there seems to be a debate over
what type of moderation and how to justify it. In one way it can be
viewed as threatening the service of moderation, for lenient
moderation. "well do you want me to protect you from spammers, then
you have to do it my way." So to speak, that was an implied view I
perceived. Or the fact, seemingly the vote of the "Freedom 8" who
oppose, don't outweigh the "Mod Squad 7". That and because the other
592 members don't cast a vote, that vote goes in favor of the Mod Squad
7. We can all dispute the electoral vote.
Post by Tony PerrettaPost by Alexis AiosaSo,
now we are basically fighting over the very same thing we were
moderated for debating. LOL.
This isn't a fight Alexis. You are just misintepreting the admin's
position
despite it seeming to be clear to me.
You're right...to strong a word "fight". So, let me rephrase that.
So, now we are basically "debating" over the very same thing we were
moderated for debating. LOL.
Post by Tony PerrettaPost by Alexis AiosaYet, let's face it...I think I have deleted at least "50" AU/VST
diatribes over the past few days, coming in from the LUG.
You and I both.
Okay...so you see. Though AU/VST is not really all that On Topic, it
is effectively On Topic to the LUG. Despite that it is in fact boorish
attempt of debating paranoia, etc.
Post by Tony PerrettaPost by Alexis AiosaBut hey, it
is On Topic right?
I would say so tho sometimes one wonders.
I have been wondering for days...LOL. Days. But I certainly see, that
neither have any of the Admin's see it fit for moderating the topic of
AU/VST. So, sometimes we effectively act on tolerance and use the
delete key...despite what people think or do or say.
Post by Tony PerrettaPost by Alexis AiosaDespite the fact that MOST of it is a long winded,
misinformed crock of shit. LOL. Sorry, but true. L-OT to me is
just
an asylum for the lunatics on the LUG >
Feel free to vote that way in the poll.
I did. I went to the polls, and voted.
Post by Tony PerrettaPost by Alexis Aiosa...yeah, me to...guilty as
charged...LOL. I remember many of Mac vs. PC debate being diverted
over here. Is really the Mac vs. PC debate even on topic to music
making with L-OT?
Yes. It is like debating the merits of microphones. Some like to use
expensive
Royer ribbon mics on guitar cabs and others super cheap SM57s (the
greatest mic
ever). Having said this I must admit to finding MAC or PC evangelists
for the
most part the worst thing on the LUG. I have no problem with informed
opinions
and comparisons.
Yes...neither do I. But some of these so called "informed opinions"
are not as informed as they should be. Just Misinformed Crocks of
shit. So, you kind of go with flow, make attempts at corrections.
etc, etc. But tolerance is the acceptable policy for that concept and
so is the delete key.
Post by Tony PerrettaPost by Alexis AiosaThink about it. Not really...sorry no. But I let
it go...cause this is the asylum of where that can take place.
I think the problem, as astutely highlighted by Jeremy, is that some
people
think the L-OT is one thing and others another. Is the L-OT here to
serve the
LUG or have unlimited scope? I guess a decision will be made one way
or the
other.
Actually, the problem is that those who think it one way are correct,
with the intent for how L-OT was applied in the past. Other's can
think to be deemed correct, but the intent of L-OT was NOT built the
way they think it was. The original intent was to apply an asylum for
the lunatics. That has always been my view of the L-OT. Why do you
think I am here? LOL.
Look, I can sit here and say..."I am offended by all the Apple/Mac
hatred". I could have made great arguments for separating the lists
too. Put PC here and Mac over there. But it often really came down to
one thing...The PC and Mac People COLLECTIVELY and OBJECTIVELY realized
the benefits of learning from the more experienced users wether Mac or
PC. Like Henrik, is again a great example. A Mac user, teaching PC
users about MIDI. He effectively adds to both user groups. Yet, I
personally don't like Howie Wooten, and in certain cases he is wrong.
But I don't expect the Admin's to gag him, based on my one opinion of
him. Because he still offers some basis of knowledge to other users.
I could effectively tear apart Howie Wooten in front all the Admins.
Show his Bias, his misinformation, and demure like tactics of posing
and opening debate. But I don't. I got better things to do, than sit
around finding ways to gag him. One thing is for me to dislike him,
the other is to gag him from his view, which entails that one day I
would have to endure the same thing...LOL. Get my drift. I am careful
to what I vote for, because one day, I just might get it.
Post by Tony PerrettaAlexis - hows about we just wait for the final outcome and abide by
it? I for
one don't care which way it goes.
Well if you don't care "which way it goes", then why say anything at
all.
Post by Tony PerrettaPost by Alexis AiosaPost by Tony PerrettaMy views align entirely with his - so maybe we should both resign.
Where are you...to me, it seems you're now wavering. Where as before
you made your position quite clear. Now, you tell me one thing, then
you tell me another. Hey, that is okay man, I am not trying to demean
ya...but effectively, right now you're just unclear in your position.
I think you originally set out to instinctually protect your buddy
Orren. But some how, by saying "you don't care which way it goes" is
implying to me: Then why say anything at all?
Peace,
Alexis