A Test For "Britishness"

[Madra Dubh]

The government of the UK has proposed a "Britishness" test for all
prospective immigrants, the purpose of the test apparently being to exclude
any and all applicants from entry into the UK unless they possessed a fairly
detailed knowledge of the customs of the British.
It would appear, rather than making good little Englishmen of the immigrants
after they arrive in England, they now want the Englishness to occur BEFORE
they are allowed into the country.
Surely this approach must violate a tenant or two of the received Socialist
doctrine.

And I must say this proposal does have the stench of redneck, bigoted,
fascist, right wing, racist, conservative, religious nuttery about it.
(Those who live in glass houses, eh?)

However, all Scots might do well to think on this and perhaps establish a
"Scottishness" test to further reduce the number of English Whyte-Settlars
infesting their country.

[Hot Jon]

Post by Madra Dubh
However, all Scots might do well to think on this and perhaps establish a
"Scottishness" test to further reduce the number of English Whyte-Settlars
infesting their country.

Kick the oat-munching, skirted devils out of England.


Go to Google.co.uk

Type " Scottish Raj"

Click on "I'm Feeling Lucky"

Sit back and enjoy

[Madra Dubh]

Post by Hot Jon

Post by Madra Dubh
However, all Scots might do well to think on this and perhaps establish a
"Scottishness" test to further reduce the number of English
Whyte-Settlars infesting their country.

Kick the oat-munching, skirted devils out of England.
Go to Google.co.uk
Type " Scottish Raj"
Click on "I'm Feeling Lucky"
Sit back and enjoy

My luck turned up
Rt Hon Gordon Brown MP
Chancellor of the Exchequer
But I saw some of the other 2,130 hits.
So the *nglish feel that the boots of the Scots are upon their necks do
they?

[Ian Smith]

Post by Madra Dubh
The government of the UK has proposed a "Britishness" test for all
prospective immigrants, the purpose of the test apparently being to
exclude any and all applicants from entry into the UK unless they
possessed a fairly detailed knowledge of the customs of the British.
It would appear, rather than making good little Englishmen of the
immigrants after they arrive in England, they now want the
Englishness to occur BEFORE they are allowed into the country.
Surely this approach must violate a tenant or two of the received
Socialist doctrine.
And I must say this proposal does have the stench of redneck,
bigoted, fascist, right wing, racist, conservative, religious
nuttery about it.
(Those who live in glass houses, eh?)
However, all Scots might do well to think on this and perhaps
establish a "Scottishness" test to further reduce the number of
English Whyte-Settlars infesting their country.

At the very least settlers should make a concerted effort to learn
English, before getting their "leave to remain" here. It's the least
they can do to thank us.

[Jackie Mulheron]

Post by Ian Smith

Post by Madra Dubh
The government of the UK has proposed a "Britishness" test for all
prospective immigrants, the purpose of the test apparently being to
exclude any and all applicants from entry into the UK unless they
possessed a fairly detailed knowledge of the customs of the British.
It would appear, rather than making good little Englishmen of the
immigrants after they arrive in England, they now want the Englishness to
occur BEFORE they are allowed into the country.
Surely this approach must violate a tenant or two of the received
Socialist doctrine.
And I must say this proposal does have the stench of redneck, bigoted,
fascist, right wing, racist, conservative, religious nuttery about it.
(Those who live in glass houses, eh?)
However, all Scots might do well to think on this and perhaps establish a
"Scottishness" test to further reduce the number of English
Whyte-Settlars infesting their country.

At the very least settlers should make a concerted effort to learn
English, before getting their "leave to remain" here. It's the least they
can do to thank us.

Thank "us" for what?

By the way is it not a bit ironic forcing them to learn the langauge of a
bunch of Anglo-Saxon settlers who, erm, didn't learn the language of the
natives?

[Glenallan]

Post by Jackie Mulheron

Post by Ian Smith

Post by Madra Dubh
The government of the UK has proposed a "Britishness" test for all
prospective immigrants, the purpose of the test apparently being to
exclude any and all applicants from entry into the UK unless they
possessed a fairly detailed knowledge of the customs of the British.
It would appear, rather than making good little Englishmen of the
immigrants after they arrive in England, they now want the Englishness
to occur BEFORE they are allowed into the country.
Surely this approach must violate a tenant or two of the received
Socialist doctrine.
And I must say this proposal does have the stench of redneck, bigoted,
fascist, right wing, racist, conservative, religious nuttery about it.
(Those who live in glass houses, eh?)
However, all Scots might do well to think on this and perhaps establish
a "Scottishness" test to further reduce the number of English
Whyte-Settlars infesting their country.

At the very least settlers should make a concerted effort to learn
English, before getting their "leave to remain" here. It's the least they
can do to thank us.

Thank "us" for what?
By the way is it not a bit ironic forcing them to learn the langauge of a
bunch of Anglo-Saxon settlers who, erm, didn't learn the language of the
natives?

I can never figure out if you are talking
out of your arse or into your arse.
It's a puzzle.

[Jackie Mulheron]

Post by Glenallan

Post by Jackie Mulheron

Post by Ian Smith

Post by Madra Dubh
The government of the UK has proposed a "Britishness" test for all
prospective immigrants, the purpose of the test apparently being to
exclude any and all applicants from entry into the UK unless they
possessed a fairly detailed knowledge of the customs of the British.
It would appear, rather than making good little Englishmen of the
immigrants after they arrive in England, they now want the Englishness
to occur BEFORE they are allowed into the country.
Surely this approach must violate a tenant or two of the received
Socialist doctrine.
And I must say this proposal does have the stench of redneck, bigoted,
fascist, right wing, racist, conservative, religious nuttery about it.
(Those who live in glass houses, eh?)
However, all Scots might do well to think on this and perhaps establish
a "Scottishness" test to further reduce the number of English
Whyte-Settlars infesting their country.

At the very least settlers should make a concerted effort to learn
English, before getting their "leave to remain" here. It's the least
they can do to thank us.

Thank "us" for what?
By the way is it not a bit ironic forcing them to learn the langauge of a
bunch of Anglo-Saxon settlers who, erm, didn't learn the language of the
natives?

I can never figure out if you are talking
out of your arse or into your arse.
It's a puzzle.

It's mutual.

Like two ships passing in the night.

[Michilín]

On Mon, 4 Apr 2005 00:32:14 +0100, "Jackie Mulheron"

Post by Jackie Mulheron

Post by Glenallan

Post by Jackie Mulheron

Post by Ian Smith

Post by Madra Dubh
The government of the UK has proposed a "Britishness" test for all
prospective immigrants, the purpose of the test apparently being to
exclude any and all applicants from entry into the UK unless they
possessed a fairly detailed knowledge of the customs of the British.
It would appear, rather than making good little Englishmen of the
immigrants after they arrive in England, they now want the Englishness
to occur BEFORE they are allowed into the country.
Surely this approach must violate a tenant or two of the received
Socialist doctrine.
And I must say this proposal does have the stench of redneck, bigoted,
fascist, right wing, racist, conservative, religious nuttery about it.
(Those who live in glass houses, eh?)
However, all Scots might do well to think on this and perhaps establish
a "Scottishness" test to further reduce the number of English
Whyte-Settlars infesting their country.

At the very least settlers should make a concerted effort to learn
English, before getting their "leave to remain" here. It's the least
they can do to thank us.

Thank "us" for what?
By the way is it not a bit ironic forcing them to learn the langauge of a
bunch of Anglo-Saxon settlers who, erm, didn't learn the language of the
natives?

I can never figure out if you are talking
out of your arse or into your arse.
It's a puzzle.

It's mutual.
Like two ships passing in the night.

Passing or pissing?

Michilín

[Michilín]

On Sun, 3 Apr 2005 23:41:46 +0100, "Glenallan"

Post by Glenallan

Post by Jackie Mulheron

Post by Ian Smith

Post by Madra Dubh
The government of the UK has proposed a "Britishness" test for all
prospective immigrants, the purpose of the test apparently being to
exclude any and all applicants from entry into the UK unless they
possessed a fairly detailed knowledge of the customs of the British.
It would appear, rather than making good little Englishmen of the
immigrants after they arrive in England, they now want the Englishness
to occur BEFORE they are allowed into the country.
Surely this approach must violate a tenant or two of the received
Socialist doctrine.
And I must say this proposal does have the stench of redneck, bigoted,
fascist, right wing, racist, conservative, religious nuttery about it.
(Those who live in glass houses, eh?)
However, all Scots might do well to think on this and perhaps establish
a "Scottishness" test to further reduce the number of English
Whyte-Settlars infesting their country.

At the very least settlers should make a concerted effort to learn
English, before getting their "leave to remain" here. It's the least they
can do to thank us.

Thank "us" for what?
By the way is it not a bit ironic forcing them to learn the langauge of a
bunch of Anglo-Saxon settlers who, erm, didn't learn the language of the
natives?

I can never figure out if you are talking
out of your arse or into your arse.
It's a puzzle.

I think quite a few of us have the same problem.

My conclusion is that the child has no vestigial trace of a sense of
humour.

Michilín

[Jackie Mulheron]

Post by Michilín
On Sun, 3 Apr 2005 23:41:46 +0100, "Glenallan"

Post by Glenallan

Post by Jackie Mulheron

Post by Ian Smith

Post by Madra Dubh
The government of the UK has proposed a "Britishness" test for all
prospective immigrants, the purpose of the test apparently being to
exclude any and all applicants from entry into the UK unless they
possessed a fairly detailed knowledge of the customs of the British.
It would appear, rather than making good little Englishmen of the
immigrants after they arrive in England, they now want the Englishness
to occur BEFORE they are allowed into the country.
Surely this approach must violate a tenant or two of the received
Socialist doctrine.
And I must say this proposal does have the stench of redneck, bigoted,
fascist, right wing, racist, conservative, religious nuttery about it.
(Those who live in glass houses, eh?)
However, all Scots might do well to think on this and perhaps establish
a "Scottishness" test to further reduce the number of English
Whyte-Settlars infesting their country.

At the very least settlers should make a concerted effort to learn
English, before getting their "leave to remain" here. It's the least they
can do to thank us.

Thank "us" for what?
By the way is it not a bit ironic forcing them to learn the langauge of a
bunch of Anglo-Saxon settlers who, erm, didn't learn the language of the
natives?

I can never figure out if you are talking
out of your arse or into your arse.
It's a puzzle.

I think quite a few of us have the same problem.
My conclusion is that the child has no vestigial trace of a sense of
humour.

Now, now Michael. There was no need for that. Just when things were settling
down to some form of respectful riposte.

Take some time out and chill - as the new Dr may say.

[Ian Morrison]

Post by Jackie Mulheron
Take some time out and chill - as the new Dr may say.

Who?

------
Ian O.

[Josiah Jenkins]

On Mon, 04 Apr 2005 16:19:29 GMT, I read these words from Ian Morrison

Post by Jackie Mulheron
Take some time out and chill - as the new Dr may say.

Who?

NO !

-- JJJ

[Jackie Mulheron]

Post by Jackie Mulheron
Take some time out and chill - as the new Dr may say.

Who?

Christopher Ecclescake. Nephew of Mr Kipling.

[Madra Dubh]

Post by Jackie Mulheron

Post by Ian Smith

Post by Madra Dubh
The government of the UK has proposed a "Britishness" test for all
prospective immigrants, the purpose of the test apparently being to
exclude any and all applicants from entry into the UK unless they
possessed a fairly detailed knowledge of the customs of the British.
It would appear, rather than making good little Englishmen of the
immigrants after they arrive in England, they now want the Englishness
to occur BEFORE they are allowed into the country.
Surely this approach must violate a tenant or two of the received
Socialist doctrine.
And I must say this proposal does have the stench of redneck, bigoted,
fascist, right wing, racist, conservative, religious nuttery about it.
(Those who live in glass houses, eh?)
However, all Scots might do well to think on this and perhaps establish
a "Scottishness" test to further reduce the number of English
Whyte-Settlars infesting their country.

At the very least settlers should make a concerted effort to learn
English, before getting their "leave to remain" here. It's the least they
can do to thank us.

Thank "us" for what?
By the way is it not a bit ironic forcing them to learn the langauge of a
bunch of Anglo-Saxon settlers who, erm, didn't learn the language of the
natives?

Now you really didn't have to go and mention that.................

[Jackie Mulheron]

Post by Madra Dubh

Post by Jackie Mulheron

Post by Ian Smith

Post by Madra Dubh
The government of the UK has proposed a "Britishness" test for all
prospective immigrants, the purpose of the test apparently being to
exclude any and all applicants from entry into the UK unless they
possessed a fairly detailed knowledge of the customs of the British.
It would appear, rather than making good little Englishmen of the
immigrants after they arrive in England, they now want the Englishness
to occur BEFORE they are allowed into the country.
Surely this approach must violate a tenant or two of the received
Socialist doctrine.
And I must say this proposal does have the stench of redneck, bigoted,
fascist, right wing, racist, conservative, religious nuttery about it.
(Those who live in glass houses, eh?)
However, all Scots might do well to think on this and perhaps establish
a "Scottishness" test to further reduce the number of English
Whyte-Settlars infesting their country.

At the very least settlers should make a concerted effort to learn
English, before getting their "leave to remain" here. It's the least
they can do to thank us.

Thank "us" for what?
By the way is it not a bit ironic forcing them to learn the langauge of a
bunch of Anglo-Saxon settlers who, erm, didn't learn the language of the
natives?

Now you really didn't have to go and mention that.................

Goes to relevance your honour.

[Madra Dubh]

Post by Jackie Mulheron

Post by Madra Dubh

Post by Jackie Mulheron

Post by Ian Smith

Post by Madra Dubh
The government of the UK has proposed a "Britishness" test for all
prospective immigrants, the purpose of the test apparently being to
exclude any and all applicants from entry into the UK unless they
possessed a fairly detailed knowledge of the customs of the British.
It would appear, rather than making good little Englishmen of the
immigrants after they arrive in England, they now want the Englishness
to occur BEFORE they are allowed into the country.
Surely this approach must violate a tenant or two of the received
Socialist doctrine.
And I must say this proposal does have the stench of redneck, bigoted,
fascist, right wing, racist, conservative, religious nuttery about it.
(Those who live in glass houses, eh?)
However, all Scots might do well to think on this and perhaps
establish a "Scottishness" test to further reduce the number of
English Whyte-Settlars infesting their country.

At the very least settlers should make a concerted effort to learn
English, before getting their "leave to remain" here. It's the least
they can do to thank us.

Thank "us" for what?
By the way is it not a bit ironic forcing them to learn the langauge of
a bunch of Anglo-Saxon settlers who, erm, didn't learn the language of
the natives?

Now you really didn't have to go and mention that.................

Goes to relevance your honour.

LOL

[Ian Smith]

Post by Jackie Mulheron

Post by Ian Smith

Post by Madra Dubh
The government of the UK has proposed a "Britishness" test for all
prospective immigrants, the purpose of the test apparently being
to exclude any and all applicants from entry into the UK unless
they possessed a fairly detailed knowledge of the customs of the
British.
It would appear, rather than making good little Englishmen of the
immigrants after they arrive in England, they now want the
Englishness to occur BEFORE they are allowed into the country.
Surely this approach must violate a tenant or two of the received
Socialist doctrine.
And I must say this proposal does have the stench of redneck,
bigoted, fascist, right wing, racist, conservative, religious
nuttery about it.
(Those who live in glass houses, eh?)
However, all Scots might do well to think on this and perhaps
establish a "Scottishness" test to further reduce the number of
English Whyte-Settlars infesting their country.

At the very least settlers should make a concerted effort to
learn English, before getting their "leave to remain" here. It's
the least they can do to thank us.

Thank "us" for what?
By the way is it not a bit ironic forcing them to learn the langauge
of a bunch of Anglo-Saxon settlers who, erm, didn't learn the
language of the natives?

For letting them in.

English is the official language of choice here. Makes good sense
that everyone should at least make an effort to learn it. Can't be a
good idea to go and change to something else now. Or am I wrong to
think so? By the way, I'm not against learning other languages either.
Especially if I were to seek residence in a non-English-speaking
country.

[Jackie Mulheron]

Post by Ian Smith

Post by Jackie Mulheron

Post by Ian Smith

Post by Madra Dubh
The government of the UK has proposed a "Britishness" test for all
prospective immigrants, the purpose of the test apparently being to
exclude any and all applicants from entry into the UK unless they
possessed a fairly detailed knowledge of the customs of the British.
It would appear, rather than making good little Englishmen of the
immigrants after they arrive in England, they now want the Englishness
to occur BEFORE they are allowed into the country.
Surely this approach must violate a tenant or two of the received
Socialist doctrine.
And I must say this proposal does have the stench of redneck, bigoted,
fascist, right wing, racist, conservative, religious nuttery about it.
(Those who live in glass houses, eh?)
However, all Scots might do well to think on this and perhaps establish
a "Scottishness" test to further reduce the number of English
Whyte-Settlars infesting their country.

At the very least settlers should make a concerted effort to learn
English, before getting their "leave to remain" here. It's the least
they can do to thank us.

Thank "us" for what?
By the way is it not a bit ironic forcing them to learn the langauge of a
bunch of Anglo-Saxon settlers who, erm, didn't learn the language of the
natives?

For letting them in.

Money's a better way of saying thanx.

Post by Ian Smith
English is the official language of choice here.

If it's official then choice really doesn't come into it.

Post by Ian Smith
Makes good sense that everyone should at least make an effort to learn it.

Mandarin or Arabic may be better. Get in first with advantage in that
direction. English will only decline and degenerate like Latin anyway.

Post by Ian Smith
Can't be a good idea to go and change to something else now.

Why not? Our ancestors must have. How else would we be speaking an
immigrants language then?

Post by Ian Smith
Or am I wrong to think so? By the way, I'm not against learning other
languages either. Especially if I were to seek residence in a
non-English-speaking country.

Why not just make them speak English? It's what the Anglo-Saxons achieved
here.

[Ian Smith]

Post by Jackie Mulheron

Post by Ian Smith

Post by Jackie Mulheron

Post by Ian Smith

Post by Madra Dubh
The government of the UK has proposed a "Britishness" test for
all prospective immigrants, the purpose of the test apparently
being to exclude any and all applicants from entry into the UK
unless they possessed a fairly detailed knowledge of the customs
of the British.
It would appear, rather than making good little Englishmen of
the immigrants after they arrive in England, they now want the
Englishness to occur BEFORE they are allowed into the country.
Surely this approach must violate a tenant or two of the
received Socialist doctrine.
And I must say this proposal does have the stench of redneck,
bigoted, fascist, right wing, racist, conservative, religious
nuttery about it.
(Those who live in glass houses, eh?)
However, all Scots might do well to think on this and perhaps
establish a "Scottishness" test to further reduce the number of
English Whyte-Settlars infesting their country.

At the very least settlers should make a concerted effort to
learn English, before getting their "leave to remain" here. It's
the least they can do to thank us.

Thank "us" for what?
By the way is it not a bit ironic forcing them to learn the
langauge of a bunch of Anglo-Saxon settlers who, erm, didn't learn
the language of the natives?

For letting them in.

Money's a better way of saying thanx.

Money saved on translating public/government information for lazy
bastards who can't be bothered to learn English?

Post by Jackie Mulheron

Post by Ian Smith
English is the official language of choice here.

If it's official then choice really doesn't come into it.

Ok then, maybe I should've said English is the official language
and also the language of choice here, for the overwhelming majority of
the populace of these islands, collectively known as the UK; aside
from the small percentage who speak at least 1 language other than
English, and who are enriched for having made the effort. Is that any
better? :-)

Post by Jackie Mulheron

Post by Ian Smith
Makes good sense that everyone should at least make an effort to learn it.

Mandarin or Arabic may be better. Get in first with advantage in
that direction. English will only decline and degenerate like Latin
anyway.

Post by Ian Smith
Can't be a good idea to go and change to something else now.

Why not? Our ancestors must have. How else would we be speaking an
immigrants language then?

Since, before 10000-15000 years ago, there were no natives here; we
are all either immigrants or descended from them.

Post by Jackie Mulheron

Post by Ian Smith
Or am I wrong to think so? By the way, I'm not against learning
other languages either. Especially if I were to seek residence in a
non-English-speaking country.

Why not just make them speak English? It's what the Anglo-Saxons
achieved here.

[Jackie Mulheron]

Post by Ian Smith

Post by Jackie Mulheron

Post by Ian Smith

Post by Jackie Mulheron

Post by Ian Smith

Post by Madra Dubh
The government of the UK has proposed a "Britishness" test for all
prospective immigrants, the purpose of the test apparently being to
exclude any and all applicants from entry into the UK unless they
possessed a fairly detailed knowledge of the customs of the British.
It would appear, rather than making good little Englishmen of the
immigrants after they arrive in England, they now want the
Englishness to occur BEFORE they are allowed into the country.
Surely this approach must violate a tenant or two of the received
Socialist doctrine.
And I must say this proposal does have the stench of redneck,
bigoted, fascist, right wing, racist, conservative, religious nuttery
about it.
(Those who live in glass houses, eh?)
However, all Scots might do well to think on this and perhaps
establish a "Scottishness" test to further reduce the number of
English Whyte-Settlars infesting their country.

At the very least settlers should make a concerted effort to learn
English, before getting their "leave to remain" here. It's the least
they can do to thank us.

Thank "us" for what?
By the way is it not a bit ironic forcing them to learn the langauge of
a bunch of Anglo-Saxon settlers who, erm, didn't learn the language of
the natives?

For letting them in.

Money's a better way of saying thanx.

Money saved on translating public/government information for lazy
bastards who can't be bothered to learn English?

An immigrants language. Why aren't you berating the lazy bastards behind the
counter for not learning the indigenouslanguages of these islands?

Post by Ian Smith

Post by Jackie Mulheron

Post by Ian Smith
English is the official language of choice here.

If it's official then choice really doesn't come into it.

Ok then, maybe I should've said English is the official language and
also the language of choice here, for the overwhelming majority of the
populace of these islands, collectively known as the UK;

You mean the British Isles.

Post by Ian Smith
aside from the small percentage who speak at least 1 language other than
English, and who are enriched for having made the effort. Is that any
better? :-)

Slightly, but would it not better saying that these immigrants could give
thanx by learning one of the indigenous languages of these islands rather
than continue with the spread of some Germanic-Norman patois?

Post by Ian Smith

Post by Jackie Mulheron

Post by Ian Smith
Makes good sense that everyone should at least make an effort to learn it.

Mandarin or Arabic may be better. Get in first with advantage in that
direction. English will only decline and degenerate like Latin anyway.

Post by Ian Smith
Can't be a good idea to go and change to something else now.

Why not? Our ancestors must have. How else would we be speaking an
immigrants language then?

Since, before 10000-15000 years ago, there were no natives here; we are
all either immigrants or descended from them.

So why should the recent ones learn another language then when you say we
are all immigrants and accept that one immigrant language should be learned.
Why not others then?

Post by Ian Smith

Post by Jackie Mulheron

Post by Ian Smith
Or am I wrong to think so? By the way, I'm not against learning other
languages either. Especially if I were to seek residence in a
non-English-speaking country.

Why not just make them speak English? It's what the Anglo-Saxons achieved
here.

[Ian Smith]

Post by Jackie Mulheron

Post by Ian Smith

Post by Jackie Mulheron

Post by Ian Smith

Post by Jackie Mulheron

Post by Ian Smith

Post by Madra Dubh
The government of the UK has proposed a "Britishness" test for
all prospective immigrants, the purpose of the test apparently
being to exclude any and all applicants from entry into the UK
unless they possessed a fairly detailed knowledge of the
customs of the British.
It would appear, rather than making good little Englishmen of
the immigrants after they arrive in England, they now want the
Englishness to occur BEFORE they are allowed into the country.
Surely this approach must violate a tenant or two of the
received Socialist doctrine.
And I must say this proposal does have the stench of redneck,
bigoted, fascist, right wing, racist, conservative, religious
nuttery about it.
(Those who live in glass houses, eh?)
However, all Scots might do well to think on this and perhaps
establish a "Scottishness" test to further reduce the number
of English Whyte-Settlars infesting their country.

At the very least settlers should make a concerted effort to
learn English, before getting their "leave to remain" here.
It's the least they can do to thank us.

Thank "us" for what?
By the way is it not a bit ironic forcing them to learn the
langauge of a bunch of Anglo-Saxon settlers who, erm, didn't
learn the language of the natives?

For letting them in.

Money's a better way of saying thanx.

Money saved on translating public/government information for
lazy bastards who can't be bothered to learn English?

An immigrants language. Why aren't you berating the lazy bastards
behind the counter for not learning the indigenouslanguages of these
islands?

Post by Ian Smith

Post by Jackie Mulheron

Post by Ian Smith
English is the official language of choice here.

If it's official then choice really doesn't come into it.

Ok then, maybe I should've said English is the official language
and also the language of choice here, for the overwhelming majority
of the populace of these islands, collectively known as the UK;

You mean the British Isles.

If you want to be pedantic, I will endeavour not to stand in your
way, political or geographical boundaries notwithstanding. :-)

Post by Jackie Mulheron

Post by Ian Smith
aside from the small percentage who speak at least 1 language
other than English, and who are enriched for having made the
effort. Is that any better? :-)

Slightly, but would it not better saying that these immigrants could
give thanx by learning one of the indigenous languages of these
islands rather than continue with the spread of some Germanic-Norman
patois?

No, I thought it best they should learn English. Perhaps I wasn't
clear enough on this point. Sorry.

Post by Jackie Mulheron

Post by Ian Smith

Post by Jackie Mulheron

Post by Ian Smith
Makes good sense that everyone should at least make an effort to learn it.

Mandarin or Arabic may be better. Get in first with advantage in
that direction. English will only decline and degenerate like
Latin anyway.

Post by Ian Smith
Can't be a good idea to go and change to something else now.

Why not? Our ancestors must have. How else would we be speaking an
immigrants language then?

Since, before 10000-15000 years ago, there were no natives here; we
are all either immigrants or descended from them.

So why should the recent ones learn another language then when you
say we are all immigrants and accept that one immigrant language
should be learned. Why not others then?

Because we now own the place, and they want to live here?

Post by Jackie Mulheron

Post by Ian Smith

Post by Jackie Mulheron

Post by Ian Smith
Or am I wrong to think so? By the way, I'm not against learning
other languages either. Especially if I were to seek residence in
a non-English-speaking country.

Why not just make them speak English? It's what the Anglo-Saxons
achieved here.

[Adam Whyte-Settlar]

Post by Ian Smith
Because we now own the place, and they want to live here?

More a sort of holding it in trust I would say - you know - for the next lot
in millenia to come.

A W-S

[Jackie Mulheron]

Post by Jackie Mulheron

Post by Ian Smith

Post by Jackie Mulheron

Post by Ian Smith

Post by Jackie Mulheron

Post by Ian Smith

Post by Madra Dubh
The government of the UK has proposed a "Britishness" test for all
prospective immigrants, the purpose of the test apparently being to
exclude any and all applicants from entry into the UK unless they
possessed a fairly detailed knowledge of the customs of the British.
It would appear, rather than making good little Englishmen of the
immigrants after they arrive in England, they now want the
Englishness to occur BEFORE they are allowed into the country.
Surely this approach must violate a tenant or two of the received
Socialist doctrine.
And I must say this proposal does have the stench of redneck,
bigoted, fascist, right wing, racist, conservative, religious
nuttery about it.
(Those who live in glass houses, eh?)
However, all Scots might do well to think on this and perhaps
establish a "Scottishness" test to further reduce the number of
English Whyte-Settlars infesting their country.

At the very least settlers should make a concerted effort to
learn English, before getting their "leave to remain" here. It's the
least they can do to thank us.

Thank "us" for what?
By the way is it not a bit ironic forcing them to learn the langauge
of a bunch of Anglo-Saxon settlers who, erm, didn't learn the
language of the natives?

For letting them in.

Money's a better way of saying thanx.

Money saved on translating public/government information for lazy
bastards who can't be bothered to learn English?

An immigrants language. Why aren't you berating the lazy bastards behind
the counter for not learning the indigenouslanguages of these islands?

Post by Ian Smith

Post by Jackie Mulheron

Post by Ian Smith
English is the official language of choice here.

If it's official then choice really doesn't come into it.

Ok then, maybe I should've said English is the official language and
also the language of choice here, for the overwhelming majority of the
populace of these islands, collectively known as the UK;

You mean the British Isles.

If you want to be pedantic, I will endeavour not to stand in your way,
political or geographical boundaries notwithstanding. :-)

Now if you want to get political about then it's the "British Islands" where
you can sun yourself on the rolling beaches of South Armagh.

Post by Jackie Mulheron

Post by Ian Smith
aside from the small percentage who speak at least 1 language other
than English, and who are enriched for having made the effort. Is that
any better? :-)

Slightly, but would it not better saying that these immigrants could give
thanx by learning one of the indigenous languages of these islands rather
than continue with the spread of some Germanic-Norman patois?

No, I thought it best they should learn English. Perhaps I wasn't clear
enough on this point. Sorry.

But that's just an immigrant language.

Post by Jackie Mulheron

Post by Ian Smith

Post by Jackie Mulheron

Post by Ian Smith
Makes good sense that everyone should at least make an effort to learn it.

Mandarin or Arabic may be better. Get in first with advantage in that
direction. English will only decline and degenerate like Latin anyway.

Post by Ian Smith
Can't be a good idea to go and change to something else now.

Why not? Our ancestors must have. How else would we be speaking an
immigrants language then?

Since, before 10000-15000 years ago, there were no natives here; we are
all either immigrants or descended from them.

So why should the recent ones learn another language then when you say we
are all immigrants and accept that one immigrant language should be
learned. Why not others then?

Because we now own the place, and they want to live here?

But how do you know you are one of the "we"? You may just be the descendant
of a Brythonic stable boy who rose to the elevated position of Black Smith
before the surnames were handed out.

Post by Jackie Mulheron

Post by Ian Smith

Post by Jackie Mulheron

Post by Ian Smith
Or am I wrong to think so? By the way, I'm not against learning other
languages either. Especially if I were to seek residence in a
non-English-speaking country.

Why not just make them speak English? It's what the Anglo-Saxons
achieved here.

[Ian Morrison]

Jackie Mulheron wrote:

<re *nglish>

Post by Jackie Mulheron
But that's just an immigrant language.

Like Scots Gaelic you mean?

------
Ian O.

[Jackie Mulheron]

Post by Ian Morrison
<re *nglish>

Post by Jackie Mulheron
But that's just an immigrant language.

Like Scots Gaelic you mean?

<Hand wave> A short ferry trip.

[Ian Smith]

Post by Jackie Mulheron

Post by Ian Smith

Post by Jackie Mulheron

Post by Ian Smith

Post by Jackie Mulheron

Post by Ian Smith

Post by Jackie Mulheron

Post by Ian Smith

Post by Madra Dubh
The government of the UK has proposed a "Britishness" test
for all prospective immigrants, the purpose of the test
apparently being to exclude any and all applicants from
entry into the UK unless they possessed a fairly detailed
knowledge of the customs of the British.
It would appear, rather than making good little Englishmen
of the immigrants after they arrive in England, they now
want the Englishness to occur BEFORE they are allowed into
the country.
Surely this approach must violate a tenant or two of the
received Socialist doctrine.
And I must say this proposal does have the stench of
redneck, bigoted, fascist, right wing, racist, conservative,
religious nuttery about it.
(Those who live in glass houses, eh?)
However, all Scots might do well to think on this and
perhaps establish a "Scottishness" test to further reduce
the number of English Whyte-Settlars infesting their
country.

At the very least settlers should make a concerted effort
to learn English, before getting their "leave to remain"
here. It's the least they can do to thank us.

Thank "us" for what?
By the way is it not a bit ironic forcing them to learn the
langauge of a bunch of Anglo-Saxon settlers who, erm, didn't
learn the language of the natives?

For letting them in.

Money's a better way of saying thanx.

Money saved on translating public/government information for
lazy bastards who can't be bothered to learn English?

An immigrants language. Why aren't you berating the lazy bastards
behind the counter for not learning the indigenouslanguages of
these islands?

Post by Ian Smith

Post by Jackie Mulheron

Post by Ian Smith
English is the official language of choice here.

If it's official then choice really doesn't come into it.

Ok then, maybe I should've said English is the official
language and also the language of choice here, for the
overwhelming majority of the populace of these islands,
collectively known as the UK;

You mean the British Isles.

If you want to be pedantic, I will endeavour not to stand in
your way, political or geographical boundaries notwithstanding. :-)

Now if you want to get political about then it's the "British
Islands" where you can sun yourself on the rolling beaches of South
Armagh.

Post by Ian Smith

Post by Jackie Mulheron

Post by Ian Smith
aside from the small percentage who speak at least 1 language
other than English, and who are enriched for having made the
effort. Is that any better? :-)

Slightly, but would it not better saying that these immigrants
could give thanx by learning one of the indigenous languages of
these islands rather than continue with the spread of some
Germanic-Norman patois?

No, I thought it best they should learn English. Perhaps I
wasn't clear enough on this point. Sorry.

But that's just an immigrant language.

Does indigenous mean "always been here" or simply "first to
immigrate here"? Are Celts indigenous? So many questions....

So, to rewind a bit: you don't think it's a good idea for
immigrants to learn English?

Post by Jackie Mulheron

Post by Ian Smith

Post by Jackie Mulheron

Post by Ian Smith

Post by Jackie Mulheron

Post by Ian Smith
Makes good sense that everyone should at least make an effort to learn it.

Mandarin or Arabic may be better. Get in first with advantage in
that direction. English will only decline and degenerate like
Latin anyway.

Post by Ian Smith
Can't be a good idea to go and change to something else now.

Why not? Our ancestors must have. How else would we be speaking
an immigrants language then?

Since, before 10000-15000 years ago, there were no natives here;
we are all either immigrants or descended from them.

So why should the recent ones learn another language then when you
say we are all immigrants and accept that one immigrant language
should be learned. Why not others then?

Because we now own the place, and they want to live here?

But how do you know you are one of the "we"? You may just be the
descendant of a Brythonic stable boy who rose to the elevated
position of Black Smith before the surnames were handed out.

I'm a tradesman now. It's not a bad living, you know. However, I
have progressed from horseshoes and now maintain machines, in all
their complexity.

I was born in Scotland. It being part of the UK for now; I am
therefore a UK citizen. One of "we". But then, you knew that already,
eh?

Post by Jackie Mulheron

Post by Ian Smith

Post by Jackie Mulheron

Post by Ian Smith

Post by Jackie Mulheron

Post by Ian Smith
Or am I wrong to think so? By the way, I'm not against learning
other languages either. Especially if I were to seek residence
in a non-English-speaking country.

Why not just make them speak English? It's what the Anglo-Saxons
achieved here.

[Jackie Mulheron]

Post by Jackie Mulheron

Post by Ian Smith

Post by Jackie Mulheron

Post by Ian Smith
aside from the small percentage who speak at least 1 language other
than English, and who are enriched for having made the effort. Is that
any better? :-)

Slightly, but would it not better saying that these immigrants could
give thanx by learning one of the indigenous languages of these islands
rather than continue with the spread of some Germanic-Norman patois?

No, I thought it best they should learn English. Perhaps I wasn't
clear enough on this point. Sorry.

But that's just an immigrant language.

Does indigenous mean "always been here" or simply "first to immigrate
here"? Are Celts indigenous? So many questions....

Quite.

So, to rewind a bit: you don't think it's a good idea for immigrants to
learn English?

Only if they think it is. Why bother if you making good money and don't need
to learn another language?

Post by Jackie Mulheron
But how do you know you are one of the "we"? You may just be the
descendant of a Brythonic stable boy who rose to the elevated position of
Black Smith before the surnames were handed out.

I'm a tradesman now. It's not a bad living, you know. However, I have
progressed from horseshoes and now maintain machines, in all their
complexity.
I was born in Scotland. It being part of the UK for now; I am therefore a
UK citizen. One of "we". But then, you knew that already, eh?

So you speak Norman French then?

[Michilín]

On Mon, 4 Apr 2005 00:14:24 +0100, "Ian Smith"

Post by Ian Smith

Post by Jackie Mulheron

Post by Ian Smith

Post by Madra Dubh
The government of the UK has proposed a "Britishness" test for all
prospective immigrants, the purpose of the test apparently being
to exclude any and all applicants from entry into the UK unless
they possessed a fairly detailed knowledge of the customs of the
British.
It would appear, rather than making good little Englishmen of the
immigrants after they arrive in England, they now want the
Englishness to occur BEFORE they are allowed into the country.
Surely this approach must violate a tenant or two of the received
Socialist doctrine.
And I must say this proposal does have the stench of redneck,
bigoted, fascist, right wing, racist, conservative, religious
nuttery about it.
(Those who live in glass houses, eh?)
However, all Scots might do well to think on this and perhaps
establish a "Scottishness" test to further reduce the number of
English Whyte-Settlars infesting their country.

At the very least settlers should make a concerted effort to
learn English, before getting their "leave to remain" here. It's
the least they can do to thank us.

Thank "us" for what?
By the way is it not a bit ironic forcing them to learn the langauge
of a bunch of Anglo-Saxon settlers who, erm, didn't learn the
language of the natives?

For letting them in.
English is the official language of choice here.

Not in Wales, it's not, nor in the Outer Hebrides.

Too much time in Colorado?


?Makes good sense

Post by Ian Smith
that everyone should at least make an effort to learn it. Can't be a
good idea to go and change to something else now. Or am I wrong to
think so? By the way, I'm not against learning other languages either.
Especially if I were to seek residence in a non-English-speaking
country.

Michilín

[Ian Smith]

Post by Michilín
On Mon, 4 Apr 2005 00:14:24 +0100, "Ian Smith"

Post by Ian Smith

Post by Jackie Mulheron

Post by Ian Smith

Post by Madra Dubh
The government of the UK has proposed a "Britishness" test for all
prospective immigrants, the purpose of the test apparently being
to exclude any and all applicants from entry into the UK unless
they possessed a fairly detailed knowledge of the customs of the
British.
It would appear, rather than making good little Englishmen of the
immigrants after they arrive in England, they now want the
Englishness to occur BEFORE they are allowed into the country.
Surely this approach must violate a tenant or two of the
received
Socialist doctrine.
And I must say this proposal does have the stench of redneck,
bigoted, fascist, right wing, racist, conservative, religious
nuttery about it.
(Those who live in glass houses, eh?)
However, all Scots might do well to think on this and perhaps
establish a "Scottishness" test to further reduce the number of
English Whyte-Settlars infesting their country.

At the very least settlers should make a concerted effort to
learn English, before getting their "leave to remain" here. It's
the least they can do to thank us.

Thank "us" for what?
By the way is it not a bit ironic forcing them to learn the
langauge
of a bunch of Anglo-Saxon settlers who, erm, didn't learn the
language of the natives?

For letting them in.
English is the official language of choice here.

Not in Wales, it's not, nor in the Outer Hebrides.

Approximately 92% of the UK are English speakers. I've no idea
what the remaining 8% do.

No doubt most Celtic-language speakers also have a fair
appreciation of English? Unlike many immigrants who don't, and who
should.

Post by Michilín
Too much time in Colorado?

By the way, I have often thought of learning Scottish Gaelic, to
broaden my horizons. But that would have to come after several others.

[Michilín]

On Mon, 4 Apr 2005 19:53:52 +0100, "Ian Smith"

Post by Ian Smith

Post by Michilín
On Mon, 4 Apr 2005 00:14:24 +0100, "Ian Smith"

Post by Ian Smith

Post by Jackie Mulheron

Post by Ian Smith

Post by Madra Dubh
The government of the UK has proposed a "Britishness" test for all
prospective immigrants, the purpose of the test apparently being
to exclude any and all applicants from entry into the UK unless
they possessed a fairly detailed knowledge of the customs of the
British.
It would appear, rather than making good little Englishmen of the
immigrants after they arrive in England, they now want the
Englishness to occur BEFORE they are allowed into the country.
Surely this approach must violate a tenant or two of the
received
Socialist doctrine.
And I must say this proposal does have the stench of redneck,
bigoted, fascist, right wing, racist, conservative, religious
nuttery about it.
(Those who live in glass houses, eh?)
However, all Scots might do well to think on this and perhaps
establish a "Scottishness" test to further reduce the number of
English Whyte-Settlars infesting their country.

At the very least settlers should make a concerted effort to
learn English, before getting their "leave to remain" here. It's
the least they can do to thank us.

Thank "us" for what?
By the way is it not a bit ironic forcing them to learn the
langauge
of a bunch of Anglo-Saxon settlers who, erm, didn't learn the
language of the natives?

For letting them in.
English is the official language of choice here.

Not in Wales, it's not, nor in the Outer Hebrides.

Approximately 92% of the UK are English speakers. I've no idea
what the remaining 8% do.
No doubt most Celtic-language speakers also have a fair
appreciation of English? Unlike many immigrants who don't, and who
should.

Post by Michilín
Too much time in Colorado?

By the way, I have often thought of learning Scottish Gaelic, to
broaden my horizons. But that would have to come after several others.

Ah, so you're another of those lazy bastards who can't be bothered to
learn Gaelic? (To paraphrase your remark about immigrants.)

Michilín

[Ian Smith]

Post by Michilín
On Mon, 4 Apr 2005 19:53:52 +0100, "Ian Smith"

Post by Ian Smith

Post by Michilín
On Mon, 4 Apr 2005 00:14:24 +0100, "Ian Smith"

Post by Ian Smith

Post by Jackie Mulheron

Post by Ian Smith

Post by Madra Dubh
The government of the UK has proposed a "Britishness" test for all
prospective immigrants, the purpose of the test apparently being
to exclude any and all applicants from entry into the UK
unless
they possessed a fairly detailed knowledge of the customs of the
British.
It would appear, rather than making good little Englishmen of the
immigrants after they arrive in England, they now want the
Englishness to occur BEFORE they are allowed into the country.
Surely this approach must violate a tenant or two of the
received
Socialist doctrine.
And I must say this proposal does have the stench of redneck,
bigoted, fascist, right wing, racist, conservative, religious
nuttery about it.
(Those who live in glass houses, eh?)
However, all Scots might do well to think on this and perhaps
establish a "Scottishness" test to further reduce the number of
English Whyte-Settlars infesting their country.

At the very least settlers should make a concerted effort to
learn English, before getting their "leave to remain" here. It's
the least they can do to thank us.

Thank "us" for what?
By the way is it not a bit ironic forcing them to learn the langauge
of a bunch of Anglo-Saxon settlers who, erm, didn't learn the
language of the natives?

For letting them in.
English is the official language of choice here.

Not in Wales, it's not, nor in the Outer Hebrides.

Approximately 92% of the UK are English speakers. I've no idea
what the remaining 8% do.
No doubt most Celtic-language speakers also have a fair
appreciation of English? Unlike many immigrants who don't, and who
should.

Post by Michilín
Too much time in Colorado?

By the way, I have often thought of learning Scottish Gaelic, to
broaden my horizons. But that would have to come after several
others.

Ah, so you're another of those lazy bastards who can't be bothered to
learn Gaelic? (To paraphrase your remark about immigrants.)
Michilín

Paraphrase this! If I moved into an area which was predominantly
Gaelic, then I most certainly would make an effort to learn it (or any
other language for that matter).
Wouldn't you?

[Jackie Mulheron]

Post by Ian Smith

Post by Michilín
On Mon, 4 Apr 2005 19:53:52 +0100, "Ian Smith"

Post by Ian Smith

Post by Michilín
On Mon, 4 Apr 2005 00:14:24 +0100, "Ian Smith"

Post by Ian Smith

Post by Jackie Mulheron

Post by Ian Smith

Post by Madra Dubh
The government of the UK has proposed a "Britishness" test for all
prospective immigrants, the purpose of the test apparently being
to exclude any and all applicants from entry into the UK unless
they possessed a fairly detailed knowledge of the customs of the
British.
It would appear, rather than making good little Englishmen of the
immigrants after they arrive in England, they now want the
Englishness to occur BEFORE they are allowed into the country.
Surely this approach must violate a tenant or two of the received
Socialist doctrine.
And I must say this proposal does have the stench of redneck,
bigoted, fascist, right wing, racist, conservative, religious
nuttery about it.
(Those who live in glass houses, eh?)
However, all Scots might do well to think on this and perhaps
establish a "Scottishness" test to further reduce the number of
English Whyte-Settlars infesting their country.

At the very least settlers should make a concerted effort to
learn English, before getting their "leave to remain" here. It's
the least they can do to thank us.

Thank "us" for what?
By the way is it not a bit ironic forcing them to learn the langauge
of a bunch of Anglo-Saxon settlers who, erm, didn't learn the
language of the natives?

For letting them in.
English is the official language of choice here.

Not in Wales, it's not, nor in the Outer Hebrides.

Approximately 92% of the UK are English speakers. I've no idea
what the remaining 8% do.
No doubt most Celtic-language speakers also have a fair
appreciation of English? Unlike many immigrants who don't, and who
should.

Post by Michilín
Too much time in Colorado?

By the way, I have often thought of learning Scottish Gaelic, to
broaden my horizons. But that would have to come after several others.

Ah, so you're another of those lazy bastards who can't be bothered to
learn Gaelic? (To paraphrase your remark about immigrants.)
Michilín

Paraphrase this! If I moved into an area which was predominantly
Gaelic, then I most certainly would make an effort to learn it (or any
other language for that matter).
Wouldn't you?

No. If it was good enough for the Anglo-Saxons not to bother when they
emigrated to the British Isles why should I?

[Ian Smith]

Post by Jackie Mulheron

Post by Ian Smith

Post by Michilín
On Mon, 4 Apr 2005 19:53:52 +0100, "Ian Smith"

Post by Ian Smith

Post by Michilín
On Mon, 4 Apr 2005 00:14:24 +0100, "Ian Smith"

Post by Ian Smith

Post by Jackie Mulheron

Post by Ian Smith

Post by Madra Dubh
The government of the UK has proposed a "Britishness" test
for
all
prospective immigrants, the purpose of the test apparently being
to exclude any and all applicants from entry into the UK unless
they possessed a fairly detailed knowledge of the customs of the
British.
It would appear, rather than making good little Englishmen
of
the
immigrants after they arrive in England, they now want the
Englishness to occur BEFORE they are allowed into the
country.
Surely this approach must violate a tenant or two of the received
Socialist doctrine.
And I must say this proposal does have the stench of
redneck,
bigoted, fascist, right wing, racist, conservative,
religious
nuttery about it.
(Those who live in glass houses, eh?)
However, all Scots might do well to think on this and
perhaps
establish a "Scottishness" test to further reduce the number of
English Whyte-Settlars infesting their country.

At the very least settlers should make a concerted effort to
learn English, before getting their "leave to remain" here. It's
the least they can do to thank us.

Thank "us" for what?
By the way is it not a bit ironic forcing them to learn the langauge
of a bunch of Anglo-Saxon settlers who, erm, didn't learn the
language of the natives?

For letting them in.
English is the official language of choice here.

Not in Wales, it's not, nor in the Outer Hebrides.

Approximately 92% of the UK are English speakers. I've no idea
what the remaining 8% do.
No doubt most Celtic-language speakers also have a fair
appreciation of English? Unlike many immigrants who don't, and who
should.

Post by Michilín
Too much time in Colorado?

By the way, I have often thought of learning Scottish Gaelic, to
broaden my horizons. But that would have to come after several others.

Ah, so you're another of those lazy bastards who can't be bothered to
learn Gaelic? (To paraphrase your remark about immigrants.)
Michilín

Paraphrase this! If I moved into an area which was predominantly
Gaelic, then I most certainly would make an effort to learn it (or
any other language for that matter).
Wouldn't you?

No. If it was good enough for the Anglo-Saxons not to bother when
they emigrated to the British Isles why should I?

Because you're not a lazy bastard?

[Madra Dubh]

Post by Jackie Mulheron

Post by Ian Smith

Post by Michilín
On Mon, 4 Apr 2005 19:53:52 +0100, "Ian Smith"

Post by Ian Smith

Post by Michilín
On Mon, 4 Apr 2005 00:14:24 +0100, "Ian Smith"

Post by Ian Smith

Post by Jackie Mulheron

Post by Ian Smith

Post by Madra Dubh
The government of the UK has proposed a "Britishness" test for all
prospective immigrants, the purpose of the test apparently being
to exclude any and all applicants from entry into the UK unless
they possessed a fairly detailed knowledge of the customs of the
British.
It would appear, rather than making good little Englishmen of the
immigrants after they arrive in England, they now want the
Englishness to occur BEFORE they are allowed into the country.
Surely this approach must violate a tenant or two of the received
Socialist doctrine.
And I must say this proposal does have the stench of redneck,
bigoted, fascist, right wing, racist, conservative, religious
nuttery about it.
(Those who live in glass houses, eh?)
However, all Scots might do well to think on this and perhaps
establish a "Scottishness" test to further reduce the number of
English Whyte-Settlars infesting their country.

At the very least settlers should make a concerted effort to
learn English, before getting their "leave to remain" here. It's
the least they can do to thank us.

Thank "us" for what?
By the way is it not a bit ironic forcing them to learn the langauge
of a bunch of Anglo-Saxon settlers who, erm, didn't learn the
language of the natives?

For letting them in.
English is the official language of choice here.

Not in Wales, it's not, nor in the Outer Hebrides.

Approximately 92% of the UK are English speakers. I've no idea
what the remaining 8% do.
No doubt most Celtic-language speakers also have a fair
appreciation of English? Unlike many immigrants who don't, and who
should.

Post by Michilín
Too much time in Colorado?

By the way, I have often thought of learning Scottish Gaelic, to
broaden my horizons. But that would have to come after several others.

Ah, so you're another of those lazy bastards who can't be bothered to
learn Gaelic? (To paraphrase your remark about immigrants.)
Michilín

Paraphrase this! If I moved into an area which was predominantly
Gaelic, then I most certainly would make an effort to learn it (or any
other language for that matter).
Wouldn't you?

No. If it was good enough for the Anglo-Saxons not to bother when they
emigrated to the British Isles why should I?

"Emigrated"?
You call a bunch of thieving, raping, pillaging, murdering, thugs Emigrants?
(No, he calls them "Normans")

[Jackie Mulheron]

Post by Madra Dubh

Post by Jackie Mulheron

Post by Ian Smith

Post by Michilín
On Mon, 4 Apr 2005 19:53:52 +0100, "Ian Smith"

Post by Ian Smith

Post by Michilín
On Mon, 4 Apr 2005 00:14:24 +0100, "Ian Smith"

Post by Ian Smith

Post by Jackie Mulheron

Post by Ian Smith

Post by Madra Dubh
The government of the UK has proposed a "Britishness" test for all
prospective immigrants, the purpose of the test apparently being
to exclude any and all applicants from entry into the UK unless
they possessed a fairly detailed knowledge of the customs of the
British.
It would appear, rather than making good little Englishmen of the
immigrants after they arrive in England, they now want the
Englishness to occur BEFORE they are allowed into the country.
Surely this approach must violate a tenant or two of the received
Socialist doctrine.
And I must say this proposal does have the stench of redneck,
bigoted, fascist, right wing, racist, conservative, religious
nuttery about it.
(Those who live in glass houses, eh?)
However, all Scots might do well to think on this and perhaps
establish a "Scottishness" test to further reduce the number of
English Whyte-Settlars infesting their country.

At the very least settlers should make a concerted effort to
learn English, before getting their "leave to remain" here. It's
the least they can do to thank us.

Thank "us" for what?
By the way is it not a bit ironic forcing them to learn the langauge
of a bunch of Anglo-Saxon settlers who, erm, didn't learn the
language of the natives?

For letting them in.
English is the official language of choice here.

Not in Wales, it's not, nor in the Outer Hebrides.

Approximately 92% of the UK are English speakers. I've no idea
what the remaining 8% do.
No doubt most Celtic-language speakers also have a fair
appreciation of English? Unlike many immigrants who don't, and who
should.

Post by Michilín
Too much time in Colorado?

By the way, I have often thought of learning Scottish Gaelic, to
broaden my horizons. But that would have to come after several others.

Ah, so you're another of those lazy bastards who can't be bothered to
learn Gaelic? (To paraphrase your remark about immigrants.)
Michilín

Paraphrase this! If I moved into an area which was predominantly
Gaelic, then I most certainly would make an effort to learn it (or any
other language for that matter).
Wouldn't you?

No. If it was good enough for the Anglo-Saxons not to bother when they
emigrated to the British Isles why should I?

"Emigrated"?
You call a bunch of thieving, raping, pillaging, murdering, thugs Emigrants?
(No, he calls them "Normans")

No that'll be the Angles and Saxons m'lord.

[Madra Dubh]

Post by Jackie Mulheron

Post by Madra Dubh

Post by Jackie Mulheron

Post by Ian Smith

Post by Michilín
On Mon, 4 Apr 2005 19:53:52 +0100, "Ian Smith"

Post by Ian Smith

Post by Michilín
On Mon, 4 Apr 2005 00:14:24 +0100, "Ian Smith"

Post by Ian Smith

Post by Jackie Mulheron

Post by Ian Smith

Post by Madra Dubh
The government of the UK has proposed a "Britishness" test for all
prospective immigrants, the purpose of the test apparently being
to exclude any and all applicants from entry into the UK unless
they possessed a fairly detailed knowledge of the customs of the
British.
It would appear, rather than making good little Englishmen of the
immigrants after they arrive in England, they now want the
Englishness to occur BEFORE they are allowed into the country.
Surely this approach must violate a tenant or two of the received
Socialist doctrine.
And I must say this proposal does have the stench of redneck,
bigoted, fascist, right wing, racist, conservative, religious
nuttery about it.
(Those who live in glass houses, eh?)
However, all Scots might do well to think on this and perhaps
establish a "Scottishness" test to further reduce the number of
English Whyte-Settlars infesting their country.

At the very least settlers should make a concerted effort to
learn English, before getting their "leave to remain" here. It's
the least they can do to thank us.

Thank "us" for what?
By the way is it not a bit ironic forcing them to learn the langauge
of a bunch of Anglo-Saxon settlers who, erm, didn't learn the
language of the natives?

For letting them in.
English is the official language of choice here.

Not in Wales, it's not, nor in the Outer Hebrides.

Approximately 92% of the UK are English speakers. I've no idea
what the remaining 8% do.
No doubt most Celtic-language speakers also have a fair
appreciation of English? Unlike many immigrants who don't, and who
should.

Post by Michilín
Too much time in Colorado?

By the way, I have often thought of learning Scottish Gaelic, to
broaden my horizons. But that would have to come after several others.

Ah, so you're another of those lazy bastards who can't be bothered to
learn Gaelic? (To paraphrase your remark about immigrants.)
Michilín

Paraphrase this! If I moved into an area which was predominantly
Gaelic, then I most certainly would make an effort to learn it (or any
other language for that matter).
Wouldn't you?

No. If it was good enough for the Anglo-Saxons not to bother when they
emigrated to the British Isles why should I?

"Emigrated"?
You call a bunch of thieving, raping, pillaging, murdering, thugs Emigrants?
(No, he calls them "Normans")

No that'll be the Angles and Saxons m'lord.

Ah yes, that was a deep one.
Allow me to explain.
You see, there were at least two bands of murdering thugs what hit Merry Old
Britain, the Saxons and the Normans.
Adam, being the archetypical Saxon, would consider the Normans as a bunch of
thieving, raping, pillaging, murdering, thugs.
The Saxons he would view as summer visitors come to Britain to sell their
wares.

[Adam Whyte-Settlar]

Post by Ian Smith

Post by Michilín
Ah, so you're another of those lazy bastards who can't be bothered to
learn Gaelic? (To paraphrase your remark about immigrants.)
Michilín

Paraphrase this! If I moved into an area which was predominantly
Gaelic, then I most certainly would make an effort to learn it (or any
other language for that matter).
Wouldn't you?

Certainly not - I'd teach them English. Which is what we did do as it
happens.

A W-S

[Ian Smith]

Post by Adam Whyte-Settlar

Post by Ian Smith

Post by Michilín
Ah, so you're another of those lazy bastards who can't be
bothered
to
learn Gaelic? (To paraphrase your remark about immigrants.)
Michilín

Paraphrase this! If I moved into an area which was
predominantly
Gaelic, then I most certainly would make an effort to learn it (or any
other language for that matter).
Wouldn't you?

Certainly not - I'd teach them English. Which is what we did do as it
happens.
A W-S

Thanks for your tuppence worth. ;-)

[Madra Dubh]

Post by Ian Smith

Post by Madra Dubh
The government of the UK has proposed a "Britishness" test for all
prospective immigrants, the purpose of the test apparently being to
exclude any and all applicants from entry into the UK unless they
possessed a fairly detailed knowledge of the customs of the British.
It would appear, rather than making good little Englishmen of the
immigrants after they arrive in England, they now want the Englishness to
occur BEFORE they are allowed into the country.
Surely this approach must violate a tenant or two of the received
Socialist doctrine.
And I must say this proposal does have the stench of redneck, bigoted,
fascist, right wing, racist, conservative, religious nuttery about it.
(Those who live in glass houses, eh?)
However, all Scots might do well to think on this and perhaps establish a
"Scottishness" test to further reduce the number of English
Whyte-Settlars infesting their country.

At the very least settlers should make a concerted effort to learn
English, before getting their "leave to remain" here. It's the least they
can do to thank us.

You should try my country.
We have bilingual schools and signs, trilingual schools and signs, and a
very concentrated effort to have English declared NOT the official, legal
language of the land.
The immigrants are the only ones with any sense here.
They set out to learn English as quickly as they can, knowing it to be the
passport to better paying jobs.

[Adam Whyte-Settlar]

Post by Madra Dubh
The immigrants are the only ones with any sense here.
They set out to learn English as quickly as they can, knowing it to be the
passport to better paying jobs.

S'funny - Mandarin is the passport to better paying jobs here. (NZ)

A W-S

[Madra Dubh]

Post by Adam Whyte-Settlar

Post by Madra Dubh
The immigrants are the only ones with any sense here.
They set out to learn English as quickly as they can, knowing it to be the
passport to better paying jobs.

S'funny - Mandarin is the passport to better paying jobs here. (NZ)

New Zealand has peered into the future, has it?

[Adam Whyte-Settlar]

Post by Madra Dubh

Post by Adam Whyte-Settlar

Post by Madra Dubh
The immigrants are the only ones with any sense here.
They set out to learn English as quickly as they can, knowing it to be the
passport to better paying jobs.

S'funny - Mandarin is the passport to better paying jobs here. (NZ)

New Zealand has peered into the future, has it?

It's pretty obvious the way things have been going for the last ten years or
so.
When the US started getting shirty about the nuclear ban, NZ signed a free
trade agreement with China instead.
Uncharacteristically smart move IMO.

A W-S

[Madra Dubh]

Post by Adam Whyte-Settlar

Post by Madra Dubh

Post by Adam Whyte-Settlar

Post by Madra Dubh
The immigrants are the only ones with any sense here.
They set out to learn English as quickly as they can, knowing it to be the
passport to better paying jobs.

S'funny - Mandarin is the passport to better paying jobs here. (NZ)

New Zealand has peered into the future, has it?

It's pretty obvious the way things have been going for the last ten years or
so.
When the US started getting shirty about the nuclear ban, NZ signed a free
trade agreement with China instead.
Uncharacteristically smart move IMO.

As I understand it, the reason I am now paying a young fortune for gasoline
is that the Chinese are buying and burning all the gas there is.
I'm having difficulty believing that, preferring to believe that the oil
cartels (producers, refiners, and retailers) are once again attempting to
break the world's economy in an effort to become filthy rich.
Do these clucks not understand that by raising the price of gas fifty cents
the barrel, all they've done is inflate all prices, putting them pretty much
back where they started.?
Then of course the economic dislocations begin.
I think the Saudis got a glimpse of this back in the early seventies when
they decided to "Punish America" for supporting Israel.
Their stocks tanked and inflation stole a significant portion of their
wealth.

[MacRobert]

On Tue, 05 Apr 2005 13:44:11 GMT, "Madra Dubh"

Post by Madra Dubh

Post by Adam Whyte-Settlar

Post by Madra Dubh

Post by Adam Whyte-Settlar

Post by Madra Dubh
The immigrants are the only ones with any sense here.
They set out to learn English as quickly as they can, knowing it to be the
passport to better paying jobs.

S'funny - Mandarin is the passport to better paying jobs here. (NZ)

New Zealand has peered into the future, has it?

It's pretty obvious the way things have been going for the last ten years or
so.
When the US started getting shirty about the nuclear ban, NZ signed a free
trade agreement with China instead.
Uncharacteristically smart move IMO.

As I understand it, the reason I am now paying a young fortune for gasoline
is that the Chinese are buying and burning all the gas there is.
I'm having difficulty believing that, preferring to believe that the oil
cartels (producers, refiners, and retailers) are once again attempting to
break the world's economy in an effort to become filthy rich.
Do these clucks not understand that by raising the price of gas fifty cents
the barrel, all they've done is inflate all prices, putting them pretty much
back where they started.?
Then of course the economic dislocations begin.
I think the Saudis got a glimpse of this back in the early seventies when
they decided to "Punish America" for supporting Israel.
Their stocks tanked and inflation stole a significant portion of their
wealth.

Once they get filthy rich, *they* can start supporting the globe.
Hey, that is worth a few extra bucks at the pump.

MacR

[Madra Dubh]

Post by MacRobert
On Tue, 05 Apr 2005 13:44:11 GMT, "Madra Dubh"

Post by Madra Dubh

Post by Adam Whyte-Settlar

Post by Madra Dubh

Post by Adam Whyte-Settlar

Post by Madra Dubh
The immigrants are the only ones with any sense here.
They set out to learn English as quickly as they can, knowing it to
be
the
passport to better paying jobs.

S'funny - Mandarin is the passport to better paying jobs here. (NZ)

New Zealand has peered into the future, has it?

It's pretty obvious the way things have been going for the last ten
years
or
so.
When the US started getting shirty about the nuclear ban, NZ signed a free
trade agreement with China instead.
Uncharacteristically smart move IMO.

As I understand it, the reason I am now paying a young fortune for gasoline
is that the Chinese are buying and burning all the gas there is.
I'm having difficulty believing that, preferring to believe that the oil
cartels (producers, refiners, and retailers) are once again attempting to
break the world's economy in an effort to become filthy rich.
Do these clucks not understand that by raising the price of gas fifty cents
the barrel, all they've done is inflate all prices, putting them pretty much
back where they started.?
Then of course the economic dislocations begin.
I think the Saudis got a glimpse of this back in the early seventies when
they decided to "Punish America" for supporting Israel.
Their stocks tanked and inflation stole a significant portion of their
wealth.

Once they get filthy rich, *they* can start supporting the globe.
Hey, that is worth a few extra bucks at the pump.

Did you notice I wrote fifty cents the barrel rather than fifty cents the
gallon?
Some days I despair.
(Regular gas is up to $2.20 a gallon in some parts of Charlotte. No end in
sight)

[MacRobert]

On Tue, 05 Apr 2005 21:44:42 GMT, "Madra Dubh"

Post by Madra Dubh

Post by MacRobert
On Tue, 05 Apr 2005 13:44:11 GMT, "Madra Dubh"

Post by Madra Dubh
As I understand it, the reason I am now paying a young fortune for gasoline
is that the Chinese are buying and burning all the gas there is.
I'm having difficulty believing that, preferring to believe that the oil
cartels (producers, refiners, and retailers) are once again attempting to
break the world's economy in an effort to become filthy rich.
Do these clucks not understand that by raising the price of gas fifty cents
the barrel, all they've done is inflate all prices, putting them pretty much
back where they started.?
Then of course the economic dislocations begin.
I think the Saudis got a glimpse of this back in the early seventies when
they decided to "Punish America" for supporting Israel.
Their stocks tanked and inflation stole a significant portion of their
wealth.

Once they get filthy rich, *they* can start supporting the globe.
Hey, that is worth a few extra bucks at the pump.

Did you notice I wrote fifty cents the barrel rather than fifty cents the
gallon?
Some days I despair.
(Regular gas is up to $2.20 a gallon in some parts of Charlotte. No end in
sight)

I imagine W and all his oil cronies must be grinding their teef.
After all we went through to get cheap oil...

MacR

[Adam Whyte-Settlar]

Post by MacRobert
I imagine W and all his oil cronies must be grinding their teef.
After all we went through to get cheap oil...
MacR

No they didn't - they went through so as to be able to *control the market*
for oil.
They just didn't expect to be losing the war at this stage is all.

Don't you fret though deary - I predict oil back down to $26 a barrel by
about June 2006.
And you know I'm always right.

A W-S

[Madra Dubh]

Post by Adam Whyte-Settlar

Post by MacRobert
I imagine W and all his oil cronies must be grinding their teef.
After all we went through to get cheap oil...
MacR

No they didn't - they went through so as to be able to *control the market*
for oil.
They just didn't expect to be losing the war at this stage is all.
Don't you fret though deary - I predict oil back down to $26 a barrel by
about June 2006.
And you know I'm always right.

Good Lord, that was YOU on TV?
When did you grow jugs?

[Adam Whyte-Settlar]

Post by Madra Dubh

Post by Adam Whyte-Settlar

Post by MacRobert
I imagine W and all his oil cronies must be grinding their teef.
After all we went through to get cheap oil...
MacR

No they didn't - they went through so as to be able to *control the market*
for oil.
They just didn't expect to be losing the war at this stage is all.
Don't you fret though deary - I predict oil back down to $26 a barrel by
about June 2006.
And you know I'm always right.

Good Lord, that was YOU on TV?
When did you grow jugs?

You've lost me there. I don't have a TV and havn't appeared on one for
years.
I'm just basing it on the current fear-mongering crap that is being peddled
and the experiences of the last 30 years of listening to similer
fear-mongering crap.

A W-S

A W-S

[Madra Dubh]

Post by Adam Whyte-Settlar

Post by Madra Dubh

Post by Adam Whyte-Settlar

Post by MacRobert
I imagine W and all his oil cronies must be grinding their teef.
After all we went through to get cheap oil...
MacR

No they didn't - they went through so as to be able to *control the market*
for oil.
They just didn't expect to be losing the war at this stage is all.
Don't you fret though deary - I predict oil back down to $26 a barrel by
about June 2006.
And you know I'm always right.

Good Lord, that was YOU on TV?
When did you grow jugs?

You've lost me there. I don't have a TV and havn't appeared on one for
years.
I'm just basing it on the current fear-mongering crap that is being peddled
and the experiences of the last 30 years of listening to similer
fear-mongering crap.

In another post I had mentioned an analyst predicting oil at $26.00 the
barrel come June, 2006 and here you come, predicting the same thing.
(And a comely wench she was too)
So I wondered if........................
That was you in drag................

[Adam Whyte-Settlar]

Post by Madra Dubh

Post by Adam Whyte-Settlar

Post by Madra Dubh

Post by Adam Whyte-Settlar

Post by MacRobert
I imagine W and all his oil cronies must be grinding their teef.
After all we went through to get cheap oil...
MacR

No they didn't - they went through so as to be able to *control the market*
for oil.
They just didn't expect to be losing the war at this stage is all.
Don't you fret though deary - I predict oil back down to $26 a barrel by
about June 2006.
And you know I'm always right.

Good Lord, that was YOU on TV?
When did you grow jugs?

You've lost me there. I don't have a TV and havn't appeared on one for
years.
I'm just basing it on the current fear-mongering crap that is being peddled
and the experiences of the last 30 years of listening to similer
fear-mongering crap.

In another post I had mentioned an analyst predicting oil at $26.00 the
barrel come June, 2006 and here you come, predicting the same thing.

Hmmm. Well pure coincidence I assure you. I just plucked 26 out of the air
but I do think it will be down to say 23 to 28 by the specified time. I
thought I was vurtually alone in that opinion. Seems not. We'll see.

A W-S

[Madra Dubh]

Post by MacRobert
On Tue, 05 Apr 2005 21:44:42 GMT, "Madra Dubh"

Post by Madra Dubh

Post by MacRobert
On Tue, 05 Apr 2005 13:44:11 GMT, "Madra Dubh"

Post by Madra Dubh
As I understand it, the reason I am now paying a young fortune for gasoline
is that the Chinese are buying and burning all the gas there is.
I'm having difficulty believing that, preferring to believe that the oil
cartels (producers, refiners, and retailers) are once again attempting to
break the world's economy in an effort to become filthy rich.
Do these clucks not understand that by raising the price of gas fifty cents
the barrel, all they've done is inflate all prices, putting them pretty much
back where they started.?
Then of course the economic dislocations begin.
I think the Saudis got a glimpse of this back in the early seventies when
they decided to "Punish America" for supporting Israel.
Their stocks tanked and inflation stole a significant portion of their
wealth.

Once they get filthy rich, *they* can start supporting the globe.
Hey, that is worth a few extra bucks at the pump.

Did you notice I wrote fifty cents the barrel rather than fifty cents the
gallon?
Some days I despair.
(Regular gas is up to $2.20 a gallon in some parts of Charlotte. No end in
sight)

I imagine W and all his oil cronies must be grinding their teef.
After all we went through to get cheap oil...

Or a corner on the market.
I had a doomsayer come on TV last night predicting $150.00 a barrel oil.
"The end of the oil age" he proclaimed.
"Back, at last, to an agrarian society" he meant.
Another, more rational analyst, predicted oil at $30.00 a barrel by summer
2006.
Still, it's time to get on with cold fusion.
Can't do without energy, you know.....

[Adam Whyte-Settlar]

Post by Madra Dubh
Another, more rational analyst, predicted oil at $30.00 a barrel by summer
2006.

I read your other post first. Well - I'm predicting $26 a barrel. The planet
is awash witht he bloody stuff and we are heading into a global economic
slow-down. Pretty basic economics really. Just have to wait and see that I'm
right won't you.

A W-S

[Madra Dubh]

Post by Adam Whyte-Settlar

Post by Madra Dubh
Another, more rational analyst, predicted oil at $30.00 a barrel by summer
2006.

I read your other post first. Well - I'm predicting $26 a barrel. The planet
is awash witht he bloody stuff and we are heading into a global economic
slow-down. Pretty basic economics really. Just have to wait and see that I'm
right won't you.

I believe you to be correct.
It is, as you say, yet another effort to scare the bejaysus out of the
public.
And, coincidentally, accustom everyone to paying 30% more for gas and be
thankful to get it at that price.
Hey, it always works.

[Adam Whyte-Settlar]

Post by Madra Dubh

Post by MacRobert
Once they get filthy rich, *they* can start supporting the globe.
Hey, that is worth a few extra bucks at the pump.

Did you notice I wrote fifty cents the barrel rather than fifty cents the
gallon?
Some days I despair.
(Regular gas is up to $2.20 a gallon in some parts of Charlotte. No end in
sight)

My heart bleeds for you - you might even have to trade in the SUV's and the
little shopping Humvee if things get any worse.

A W-S

[Madra Dubh]

Post by Adam Whyte-Settlar

Post by Madra Dubh

Post by MacRobert
Once they get filthy rich, *they* can start supporting the globe.
Hey, that is worth a few extra bucks at the pump.

Did you notice I wrote fifty cents the barrel rather than fifty cents the
gallon?
Some days I despair.
(Regular gas is up to $2.20 a gallon in some parts of Charlotte. No end in
sight)

My heart bleeds for you - you might even have to trade in the SUV's and the
little shopping Humvee if things get any worse.

I have me 10 speed rusting away in the tool shed, thank you very much.

[Adam Whyte-Settlar]

Post by Madra Dubh

Post by Adam Whyte-Settlar

Post by Madra Dubh

Post by MacRobert
Once they get filthy rich, *they* can start supporting the globe.
Hey, that is worth a few extra bucks at the pump.

Did you notice I wrote fifty cents the barrel rather than fifty cents the
gallon?
Some days I despair.
(Regular gas is up to $2.20 a gallon in some parts of Charlotte. No end in
sight)

My heart bleeds for you - you might even have to trade in the SUV's and the
little shopping Humvee if things get any worse.

I have me 10 speed rusting away in the tool shed, thank you very much.

A tractor!? You guys never learn do you.

A W-S

[Madra Dubh]

Post by Adam Whyte-Settlar

Post by Madra Dubh

Post by Adam Whyte-Settlar

Post by Madra Dubh

Post by MacRobert
Once they get filthy rich, *they* can start supporting the globe.
Hey, that is worth a few extra bucks at the pump.

Did you notice I wrote fifty cents the barrel rather than fifty cents

the

Post by Madra Dubh

Post by Adam Whyte-Settlar

Post by Madra Dubh
gallon?
Some days I despair.
(Regular gas is up to $2.20 a gallon in some parts of Charlotte. No
end
in
sight)

My heart bleeds for you - you might even have to trade in the SUV's and the
little shopping Humvee if things get any worse.

I have me 10 speed rusting away in the tool shed, thank you very much.

A tractor!? You guys never learn do you.

It runs on ethanol, you twit.
I do have an ample supply of that and at no cost to the environment.
"How?", you might ask.
Simple.
I takes a big snort and furiously peddle away.

[Adam Whyte-Settlar]

Post by Madra Dubh

Post by Adam Whyte-Settlar

Post by Madra Dubh

Post by Adam Whyte-Settlar

Post by Madra Dubh

Post by MacRobert
Once they get filthy rich, *they* can start supporting the globe.
Hey, that is worth a few extra bucks at the pump.

Did you notice I wrote fifty cents the barrel rather than fifty cents

the

Post by Madra Dubh

Post by Adam Whyte-Settlar

Post by Madra Dubh
gallon?
Some days I despair.
(Regular gas is up to $2.20 a gallon in some parts of Charlotte. No
end
in
sight)

My heart bleeds for you - you might even have to trade in the SUV's

and

Post by Madra Dubh

Post by Adam Whyte-Settlar

Post by Madra Dubh

Post by Adam Whyte-Settlar
the
little shopping Humvee if things get any worse.

I have me 10 speed rusting away in the tool shed, thank you very much.

A tractor!? You guys never learn do you.

It runs on ethanol, you twit.
I do have an ample supply of that and at no cost to the environment.
"How?", you might ask.
Simple.
I takes a big snort and furiously peddle away.

Excellent example to your fellow countymen Madra.
However, have you thought of trying one of those bicycle thingies?
Not so nifty accross fields I hear but, being somewhat lighter, they are
undoubtlably an option worth considering.

A W-S

[Madra Dubh]

Post by Adam Whyte-Settlar

Post by Madra Dubh

Post by Adam Whyte-Settlar

Post by Madra Dubh

Post by Adam Whyte-Settlar

Post by Madra Dubh

Post by MacRobert
Once they get filthy rich, *they* can start supporting the globe.
Hey, that is worth a few extra bucks at the pump.

Did you notice I wrote fifty cents the barrel rather than fifty

cents

Post by Madra Dubh

Post by Adam Whyte-Settlar
the

Post by Madra Dubh

Post by Adam Whyte-Settlar

Post by Madra Dubh
gallon?
Some days I despair.
(Regular gas is up to $2.20 a gallon in some parts of Charlotte. No
end
in
sight)

My heart bleeds for you - you might even have to trade in the SUV's

and

Post by Madra Dubh

Post by Adam Whyte-Settlar

Post by Madra Dubh

Post by Adam Whyte-Settlar
the
little shopping Humvee if things get any worse.

I have me 10 speed rusting away in the tool shed, thank you very much.

A tractor!? You guys never learn do you.

It runs on ethanol, you twit.
I do have an ample supply of that and at no cost to the environment.
"How?", you might ask.
Simple.
I takes a big snort and furiously peddle away.

Excellent example to your fellow countymen Madra.
However, have you thought of trying one of those bicycle thingies?
Not so nifty accross fields I hear but, being somewhat lighter, they are
undoubtlably an option worth considering.

"Ten Speed"?
"Pedal"?
And where did "peddle" come from.
That was perilously close to "piddle".

[Adam Whyte-Settlar]

Post by MacRobert
Once they get filthy rich, *they* can start supporting the globe.

'They' already are. The US is the world's most 'supported' country.
You're all flat broke mate - you just can't quite believe it yet can you?

A W-S

[MacRobert]

On Wed, 6 Apr 2005 22:49:37 +1200, "Adam Whyte-Settlar"

Post by Adam Whyte-Settlar

Post by MacRobert
Once they get filthy rich, *they* can start supporting the globe.

'They' already are. The US is the world's most 'supported' country.
You're all flat broke mate - you just can't quite believe it yet can you?
A W-S

Well, since at this point I personally am in debt up to my (former)
hairline and down to my last million, this would be your best
opportunity to start sending ME a little moola.

Medium packets of ca$h would do just fine.

MacRobert

[Adam Whyte-Settlar]

Post by Madra Dubh

Post by Adam Whyte-Settlar

Post by Madra Dubh

Post by Adam Whyte-Settlar

Post by Madra Dubh
The immigrants are the only ones with any sense here.
They set out to learn English as quickly as they can, knowing it to

be

Post by Madra Dubh

Post by Adam Whyte-Settlar

Post by Madra Dubh

Post by Adam Whyte-Settlar

Post by Madra Dubh
the
passport to better paying jobs.

S'funny - Mandarin is the passport to better paying jobs here. (NZ)

New Zealand has peered into the future, has it?

It's pretty obvious the way things have been going for the last ten

years

Post by Madra Dubh

Post by Adam Whyte-Settlar
or
so.
When the US started getting shirty about the nuclear ban, NZ signed a free
trade agreement with China instead.
Uncharacteristically smart move IMO.

As I understand it, the reason I am now paying a young fortune for gasoline

Hah! $2.20 a US gallon? You don't know you're born you Yanks.

Post by Madra Dubh
is that the Chinese are buying and burning all the gas there is.
I'm having difficulty believing that, preferring to believe that the oil
cartels (producers, refiners, and retailers) are once again attempting to
break the world's economy in an effort to become filthy rich.

Bit of both I think. I can't hire a decent container ship for love nor money
at the moment. They are all queued 15 deep outside China's ports.

Post by Madra Dubh
Do these clucks not understand that by raising the price of gas fifty cents
the barrel, all they've done is inflate all prices, putting them pretty much
back where they started.?
Then of course the economic dislocations begin.
I think the Saudis got a glimpse of this back in the early seventies when
they decided to "Punish America" for supporting Israel.
Their stocks tanked and inflation stole a significant portion of their
wealth.

And the west went into recession for years.
Face it - You're ******. The US is sooo last century.

A W-S

[Michilín]

On Mon, 4 Apr 2005 22:25:15 +1200, "Adam Whyte-Settlar"

Post by Adam Whyte-Settlar

Post by Madra Dubh
The immigrants are the only ones with any sense here.
They set out to learn English as quickly as they can, knowing it to be the
passport to better paying jobs.

S'funny - Mandarin is the passport to better paying jobs here. (NZ)
A W-S

I spend one to two hours every Saturday giving colloquial English
lessons to Chinese people from Hong Kong. Colloqiuial in the sense of
local slang, etc., so they understand what the locals are saying.

One lady is so keen that her vocabulary is far larger than her son who
is attending an English-language school. Mind you, the Chinese are
like the older generations of Scots; they revere education.

And as a mini-bonus, I constantly have my Chinese corrected by the
students, which is a very Scottish way to get free advanced lessons!


Michilín

[Madra Dubh]

Post by Michilín
On Mon, 4 Apr 2005 22:25:15 +1200, "Adam Whyte-Settlar"

Post by Adam Whyte-Settlar

Post by Madra Dubh
The immigrants are the only ones with any sense here.
They set out to learn English as quickly as they can, knowing it to be the
passport to better paying jobs.

S'funny - Mandarin is the passport to better paying jobs here. (NZ)
A W-S

I spend one to two hours every Saturday giving colloquial English
lessons to Chinese people from Hong Kong. Colloqiuial in the sense of
local slang, etc., so they understand what the locals are saying.
One lady is so keen that her vocabulary is far larger than her son who
is attending an English-language school. Mind you, the Chinese are
like the older generations of Scots; they revere education.
And as a mini-bonus, I constantly have my Chinese corrected by the
students, which is a very Scottish way to get free advanced lessons!

Our local Chinese restaurateur is very fluent in English.
The jokes and puns that man cracks are fantastic.
I was amazed to discover the Chinese have tremendous senses of humor and not
at all like the stereotypical "Inscrutable Oriental" depiction.

[Michilín]

On Mon, 04 Apr 2005 22:40:00 GMT, "Madra Dubh"

Post by Madra Dubh

Post by Michilín
On Mon, 4 Apr 2005 22:25:15 +1200, "Adam Whyte-Settlar"

Post by Adam Whyte-Settlar

Post by Madra Dubh
The immigrants are the only ones with any sense here.
They set out to learn English as quickly as they can, knowing it to be the
passport to better paying jobs.

S'funny - Mandarin is the passport to better paying jobs here. (NZ)
A W-S

I spend one to two hours every Saturday giving colloquial English
lessons to Chinese people from Hong Kong. Colloqiuial in the sense of
local slang, etc., so they understand what the locals are saying.
One lady is so keen that her vocabulary is far larger than her son who
is attending an English-language school. Mind you, the Chinese are
like the older generations of Scots; they revere education.
And as a mini-bonus, I constantly have my Chinese corrected by the
students, which is a very Scottish way to get free advanced lessons!

Our local Chinese restaurateur is very fluent in English.
The jokes and puns that man cracks are fantastic.
I was amazed to discover the Chinese have tremendous senses of humor and not
at all like the stereotypical "Inscrutable Oriental" depiction.

I've met very few people of any nationality who aren't human.

Michilín

[Madra Dubh]

Post by Michilín
On Mon, 04 Apr 2005 22:40:00 GMT, "Madra Dubh"

Post by Madra Dubh

Post by Michilín
On Mon, 4 Apr 2005 22:25:15 +1200, "Adam Whyte-Settlar"

Post by Adam Whyte-Settlar

Post by Madra Dubh
The immigrants are the only ones with any sense here.
They set out to learn English as quickly as they can, knowing it to be the
passport to better paying jobs.

S'funny - Mandarin is the passport to better paying jobs here. (NZ)
A W-S

I spend one to two hours every Saturday giving colloquial English
lessons to Chinese people from Hong Kong. Colloqiuial in the sense of
local slang, etc., so they understand what the locals are saying.
One lady is so keen that her vocabulary is far larger than her son who
is attending an English-language school. Mind you, the Chinese are
like the older generations of Scots; they revere education.
And as a mini-bonus, I constantly have my Chinese corrected by the
students, which is a very Scottish way to get free advanced lessons!

Our local Chinese restaurateur is very fluent in English.
The jokes and puns that man cracks are fantastic.
I was amazed to discover the Chinese have tremendous senses of humor and not
at all like the stereotypical "Inscrutable Oriental" depiction.

I've met very few people of any nationality who aren't human.

Then there are the English...........
But your point is well taken.
One need only get by that initial reserve toward foreigners to see it.

[Teachdaire]

On Sun, 03 Apr 2005 14:12:13 GMT, "Madra Dubh"

Post by Madra Dubh
Surely this approach must violate a tenant or two
of the received Socialist doctrine.

Yes - and perhaps a Tenet or two as well...

Post by Madra Dubh
And I must say this proposal does have the stench of redneck,
bigoted, fascist, right wing, racist, conservative, religious nuttery

Well, you should know...

(Seriously though: I do appreciate your loathing
for the Einglisch; perhaps it'll give us a point of
agreement to touch on when we're both in Hades.)


Not Surprised,

---Teachdaire

[Madra Dubh]

Post by Teachdaire
On Sun, 03 Apr 2005 14:12:13 GMT, "Madra Dubh"

Post by Madra Dubh
Surely this approach must violate a tenant or two
of the received Socialist doctrine.

Yes - and perhaps a Tenet or two as well...

I must say you are quite the spell checker.
Never an original thought but quite the spell checker none the less.

Post by Teachdaire

Post by Madra Dubh
And I must say this proposal does have the stench of redneck,
bigoted, fascist, right wing, racist, conservative, religious nuttery

Well, you should know...
(Seriously though: I do appreciate your loathing
for the Einglisch; perhaps it'll give us a point of
agreement to touch on when we're both in Hades.)

And perhaps the odd nglishman or two to disembowel?

Post by Teachdaire
Not Surprised,
---Teachdaire

[Teachdaire]

On Sun, 03 Apr 2005 22:54:14 GMT, "MassivelyDumb"

Post by Madra Dubh
I must say you are quite the spell checker.

And you are quite the Liar. As with "Kin" for "Ken,"
(the 'E' and 'I' keys are _FIVE KEYS APART_...) you
claim a Typo - but then "Tenant" has six letters and
"Tenet" has but five, and no 'A' - so *once *again*
you have demonstrated both your ignorance and your
utter lack of character.

Post by Madra Dubh
Never an original thought but quite the spell checker none the less.

Quite the Ignorant Liar you are - and you've taken
quite a drubbing for it in this thread already...


Awaiting The Inevitable Obsessed, Weak Response,

---Teachdaire

[Madra Dubh]

Post by Teachdaire
On Sun, 03 Apr 2005 22:54:14 GMT, "MassivelyDumb"

Post by Madra Dubh
I must say you are quite the spell checker.

And you are quite the Liar. As with "Kin" for "Ken,"
(the 'E' and 'I' keys are _FIVE KEYS APART_...) you
claim a Typo - but then "Tenant" has six letters and
"Tenet" has but five, and no 'A' - so *once *again*
you have demonstrated both your ignorance and your
utter lack of character.

So much for the turning over of a new leaf.
Still the ass you always were.

Post by Teachdaire

Post by Madra Dubh
Never an original thought but quite the spell checker none the less.

Quite the Ignorant Liar you are - and you've taken
quite a drubbing for it in this thread already...

You consider your pathetic attempts at checking spelling and correcting
grammer a drubbing?
You are indeed a sad specimen.

Post by Teachdaire
Awaiting The Inevitable Obsessed, Weak Response,
---Teachdaire

[Alan Smaill]

Post by Madra Dubh
The government of the UK has proposed a "Britishness" test for all
prospective immigrants, the purpose of the test apparently being to exclude
any and all applicants from entry into the UK unless they possessed a fairly
detailed knowledge of the customs of the British.
It would appear, rather than making good little Englishmen of the immigrants
after they arrive in England, they now want the Englishness to occur BEFORE
they are allowed into the country.

I'm sure we've been here before:
"English" =/= "British".

Post by Madra Dubh
Surely this approach must violate a tenant or two of the received Socialist
doctrine.

I'll check with my landlord ...

Post by Madra Dubh
And I must say this proposal does have the stench of redneck, bigoted,
fascist, right wing, racist, conservative, religious nuttery about it.
(Those who live in glass houses, eh?)
However, all Scots might do well to think on this and perhaps establish a
"Scottishness" test to further reduce the number of English Whyte-Settlars
infesting their country.

hang on, we can invent our own double standards, thank you,
I don't think we need any help with that ...

[Madra Dubh]

Post by Alan Smaill

Post by Madra Dubh
The government of the UK has proposed a "Britishness" test for all
prospective immigrants, the purpose of the test apparently being to exclude
any and all applicants from entry into the UK unless they possessed a fairly
detailed knowledge of the customs of the British.
It would appear, rather than making good little Englishmen of the immigrants
after they arrive in England, they now want the Englishness to occur BEFORE
they are allowed into the country.

"English" =/= "British".

Yes, I am well aware of that but it would hardly do to lump all Brits into
the "English Out" slag.
Further, when the UK government speaks of "Britishness" we all know they
mean "Englishness".
They sure as hell ain't gonna be asking the Turks to identify a Haggis, now
are they?

Post by Alan Smaill

Post by Madra Dubh
Surely this approach must violate a tenant or two of the received Socialist
doctrine.

I'll check with my landlord ...

Yes, well it was early in the morning.

Post by Alan Smaill

Post by Madra Dubh
And I must say this proposal does have the stench of redneck, bigoted,
fascist, right wing, racist, conservative, religious nuttery about it.
(Those who live in glass houses, eh?)
However, all Scots might do well to think on this and perhaps establish a
"Scottishness" test to further reduce the number of English
Whyte-Settlars
infesting their country.

hang on, we can invent our own double standards, thank you,
I don't think we need any help with that ...

Aw gee, Mister Smaill, you take all the fun away........

Post by Alan Smaill
Alan Smaill

[Jackie Mulheron]

Post by Alan Smaill

Post by Madra Dubh
The government of the UK has proposed a "Britishness" test for all
prospective immigrants, the purpose of the test apparently being to exclude
any and all applicants from entry into the UK unless they possessed a fairly
detailed knowledge of the customs of the British.
It would appear, rather than making good little Englishmen of the immigrants
after they arrive in England, they now want the Englishness to occur BEFORE
they are allowed into the country.

"English" =/= "British".

Yeah but bar some vague geographical application most things British would
appear to be English or quintessentially so.

[Madra Dubh]

Post by Jackie Mulheron

Post by Alan Smaill

Post by Madra Dubh
The government of the UK has proposed a "Britishness" test for all
prospective immigrants, the purpose of the test apparently being to exclude
any and all applicants from entry into the UK unless they possessed a fairly
detailed knowledge of the customs of the British.
It would appear, rather than making good little Englishmen of the immigrants
after they arrive in England, they now want the Englishness to occur BEFORE
they are allowed into the country.

"English" =/= "British".

Yeah but bar some vague geographical application most things British would
appear to be English or quintessentially so.

What is there, 60 million English?
And what, 2 million or so Welshmen and 2 or 3 million Scots.
Do the math, guys.
I'll even through in the north of Ireland and Man. "English" =/= "British"
still doesn't compute

[Adam Whyte-Settlar]

Post by Madra Dubh
What is there, 60 million English?
And what, 2 million or so Welshmen and 2 or 3 million Scots.

I think it's 55 million *nglish and 5 million Scotch. The Taffys don't even
count.

Post by Madra Dubh
Do the math, guys.

MathS!

A W-S

[Madra Dubh]

Post by Adam Whyte-Settlar

Post by Madra Dubh
What is there, 60 million English?
And what, 2 million or so Welshmen and 2 or 3 million Scots.

I think it's 55 million *nglish and 5 million Scotch. The Taffys don't even
count.

Post by Madra Dubh
Do the math, guys.

MathS!

I do try to employ the Adam Whyte-Settlar Scale of Accuracy in all my math
calculations.
Which is: As in the game of Horse Shoes, close counts.

[Jackie Mulheron]

Post by Adam Whyte-Settlar

Post by Madra Dubh
What is there, 60 million English?
And what, 2 million or so Welshmen and 2 or 3 million Scots.

I think it's 55 million *nglish and 5 million Scotch. The Taffys don't even
count.

Thank God someone said it.

[Madra Dubh]

Post by Jackie Mulheron

Post by Adam Whyte-Settlar

Post by Madra Dubh
What is there, 60 million English?
And what, 2 million or so Welshmen and 2 or 3 million Scots.

I think it's 55 million *nglish and 5 million Scotch. The Taffys don't even
count.

Thank God someone said it.

Now that calls for a crosspost to soc.culture.welsh......................

[Adam Whyte-Settlar]

Post by Madra Dubh

Post by Jackie Mulheron

Post by Adam Whyte-Settlar

Post by Madra Dubh
What is there, 60 million English?
And what, 2 million or so Welshmen and 2 or 3 million Scots.

I think it's 55 million *nglish and 5 million Scotch. The Taffys don't even
count.

Thank God someone said it.

Now that calls for a crosspost to soc.culture.welsh......................

Only 2 people read it.

A W-S

[Madra Dubh]

Post by Adam Whyte-Settlar

Post by Madra Dubh

Post by Jackie Mulheron

Post by Adam Whyte-Settlar

Post by Madra Dubh
What is there, 60 million English?
And what, 2 million or so Welshmen and 2 or 3 million Scots.

I think it's 55 million *nglish and 5 million Scotch. The Taffys don't even
count.

Thank God someone said it.

Now that calls for a crosspost to soc.culture.welsh......................

Only 2 people read it.

Ah but I really didn't crosspost, Adam.
I mustn't excite the Scots.

[Jackie Mulheron]

Post by Adam Whyte-Settlar

Post by Madra Dubh

Post by Jackie Mulheron

Post by Adam Whyte-Settlar

Post by Madra Dubh
What is there, 60 million English?
And what, 2 million or so Welshmen and 2 or 3 million Scots.

I think it's 55 million *nglish and 5 million Scotch. The Taffys don't even
count.

Thank God someone said it.

Now that calls for a crosspost to soc.culture.welsh......................

Only 2 people read it.

Me and you.

[Madra Dubh]

Post by Jackie Mulheron

Post by Adam Whyte-Settlar

Post by Madra Dubh

Post by Jackie Mulheron

Post by Adam Whyte-Settlar

Post by Madra Dubh
What is there, 60 million English?
And what, 2 million or so Welshmen and 2 or 3 million Scots.

I think it's 55 million *nglish and 5 million Scotch. The Taffys
don't
even
count.

Thank God someone said it.

Now that calls for a crosspost to
soc.culture.welsh......................

Only 2 people read it.

Me and you.

And neither of you Welsh.
What is this world coming to?

[Michilín]

On Sun, 03 Apr 2005 14:12:13 GMT, "Madra Dubh"

Post by Madra Dubh
The government of the UK has proposed a "Britishness" test for all
prospective immigrants, the purpose of the test apparently being to exclude
any and all applicants from entry into the UK unless they possessed a fairly
detailed knowledge of the customs of the British.
It would appear, rather than making good little Englishmen of the immigrants
after they arrive in England, they now want the Englishness to occur BEFORE
they are allowed into the country.
Surely this approach must violate a tenant or two of the received Socialist
doctrine.
And I must say this proposal does have the stench of redneck, bigoted,
fascist, right wing, racist, conservative, religious nuttery about it.
(Those who live in glass houses, eh?)
However, all Scots might do well to think on this and perhaps establish a
"Scottishness" test to further reduce the number of English Whyte-Settlars
infesting their country.

What a wonderful idea!

Michilín

[Madra Dubh]

Post by Teachdaire
On Sun, 03 Apr 2005 14:12:13 GMT, "Madra Dubh"

Post by Madra Dubh
The government of the UK has proposed a "Britishness" test for all
prospective immigrants, the purpose of the test apparently being to exclude
any and all applicants from entry into the UK unless they possessed a fairly
detailed knowledge of the customs of the British.
It would appear, rather than making good little Englishmen of the immigrants
after they arrive in England, they now want the Englishness to occur BEFORE
they are allowed into the country.
Surely this approach must violate a tenant or two of the received Socialist
doctrine.
And I must say this proposal does have the stench of redneck, bigoted,
fascist, right wing, racist, conservative, religious nuttery about it.
(Those who live in glass houses, eh?)
However, all Scots might do well to think on this and perhaps establish a
"Scottishness" test to further reduce the number of English Whyte-Settlars
infesting their country.

What a wonderful idea!

Only one problem stands in the way of implementation, Highlander. A Scot
didn't come up with the idea.
;=)

[Adam Whyte-Settlar]

Post by Madra Dubh

Post by Michilín

Post by Madra Dubh
However, all Scots might do well to think on this and perhaps establish a
"Scottishness" test to further reduce the number of English

Whyte-Settlars

Post by Madra Dubh

Post by Michilín

Post by Madra Dubh
infesting their country.

What a wonderful idea!

Only one problem stands in the way of implementation, Highlander. A Scot
didn't come up with the idea.
;=)

I know more about Scotland than most Scotch people.
I've pointed this out to them many times in my tireless endeavors to educate
them.

A W-S

[Madra Dubh]

Post by Madra Dubh

Post by Madra Dubh

Post by Michilín

Post by Madra Dubh
However, all Scots might do well to think on this and perhaps establish

a

Post by Madra Dubh

Post by Michilín

Post by Madra Dubh
"Scottishness" test to further reduce the number of English

Whyte-Settlars

Post by Madra Dubh

Post by Michilín

Post by Madra Dubh
infesting their country.

What a wonderful idea!

Only one problem stands in the way of implementation, Highlander. A Scot
didn't come up with the idea.
;=)

I know more about Scotland than most Scotch people.
I've pointed this out to them many times in my tireless endeavors to educate
them.

And this of course explains the existance of Scottish universities scattered
all over the frozen tundra.
No Scot would listen to the teachings of a non Scot.
Which is what gave John Knox his great advantage over Jesus Christ.

[Adam Whyte-Settlar]

Post by Madra Dubh

Post by Madra Dubh

Post by Madra Dubh

Post by Michilín

Post by Madra Dubh
However, all Scots might do well to think on this and perhaps establish

a

Post by Madra Dubh

Post by Michilín

Post by Madra Dubh
"Scottishness" test to further reduce the number of English

Whyte-Settlars

Post by Madra Dubh

Post by Michilín

Post by Madra Dubh
infesting their country.

What a wonderful idea!

Only one problem stands in the way of implementation, Highlander. A Scot
didn't come up with the idea.
;=)

I know more about Scotland than most Scotch people.
I've pointed this out to them many times in my tireless endeavors to educate
them.

And this of course explains the existance of Scottish universities scattered
all over the frozen tundra.

As it happens I wrote part of a course for one of them.

Post by Madra Dubh
No Scot would listen to the teachings of a non Scot.
Which is what gave John Knox his great advantage over Jesus Christ.

You know, for once you're right.

A W-S