OT: The USA is number one...

Post by Alan Baker
...but that doesn't change how appallingly bad the situation in the US
has been allowed to become by the current administration.

Oh, true enough. But a segment of the American people deserves some of the
credit too...

https://www.macleans.ca/society/life/escape-from-florida-my-2400-km-drive-back-to-the-sanity-of-canada/

Of course, if the nation's leadership emphasized the gravity of the problem,
people inclined to ignore it might be reached - and, of course, those inclined
to trust Trump are a group with a large overlap with the people who voted him
in.

But when I read a column excoriating Trump for dismissing the seriousness of the
coronavirus - before he started taking it seriously - and then on the same day
giving a private briefing where he said different things to people who then,
advised by him, sold their stocks...

I thought, hey, wait a moment, this is hardly insider trading, since any
sensible person who read the Washington Post or the New York Times would have
sold their stocks a few days before these privileged insiders.

Of course it's still shocking if he was giving bad advice to the American people
that could kill them that he knew was wrong, even if the unfair stock market
angle is kind of weak, but when a picture doesn't hold up I start asking
questions.

John Savard

Alan Baker

2020-03-27 01:39:08 UTC

Post by Alan Baker
...but that doesn't change how appallingly bad the situation in the US
has been allowed to become by the current administration.

To be fair, I believe the briefing was by a senator...

...but certainly Trump would have been told all the same things.

Post by Quadibloc
I thought, hey, wait a moment, this is hardly insider trading, since any
sensible person who read the Washington Post or the New York Times would have
sold their stocks a few days before these privileged insiders.
Of course it's still shocking if he was giving bad advice to the American people
that could kill them that he knew was wrong, even if the unfair stock market
angle is kind of weak, but when a picture doesn't hold up I start asking
questions.
John Savard

Quadibloc

2020-03-27 02:57:35 UTC

Post by Alan Baker
To be fair, I believe the briefing was by a senator...
...but certainly Trump would have been told all the same things.

Yes, but it's already been established that Trump doesn't believe things that are
told to him by the people who know.

So this does make a difference.

John Savard

Quadibloc

2020-03-28 09:20:14 UTC

Post by Alan Baker
To be fair, I believe the briefing was by a senator...
...but certainly Trump would have been told all the same things.

Yes, but it's already been established that Trump doesn't believe things that are
told to him by the people who know.
So this does make a difference.

Oh, and here's an example of how Canadians see the events transpiring in the
United States:

https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/pandemic-unequal-usa-1.5511837

I know this will seem like an alien viewpoint to some here.

John Savard

Kevrob

2020-03-28 22:25:52 UTC

Post by Alan Baker
To be fair, I believe the briefing was by a senator...
...but certainly Trump would have been told all the same things.

Yes, but it's already been established that Trump doesn't believe things that are
told to him by the people who know.
So this does make a difference.

Oh, and here's an example of how Canadians see the events transpiring in the
https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/pandemic-unequal-usa-1.5511837
I know this will seem like an alien viewpoint to some here.

What would the Canadian view of US-taxpayer-funded articles
about what is wrong with the True North be?

https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/coronavirus/indigenous-communities-close-their-borders-in-hopes-of-preventing-covid-19-spread-1.4863166

Kevin R

Quadibloc

2020-03-29 21:00:14 UTC

Post by Kevrob
What would the Canadian view of US-taxpayer-funded articles
about what is wrong with the True North be?

I don't think we would blame Donald Trump if PBS aired a show about problems we
have in Canada.

John Savard

Kevrob

2020-03-30 01:30:17 UTC

Post by Kevrob
What would the Canadian view of US-taxpayer-funded articles
about what is wrong with the True North be?

I don't think we would blame Donald Trump if PBS aired a show about
problems we have in Canada.

I would. I'm opposed to state-owned media. :)

PBS is a weird hybrid, in that many member-stations are
owned by non-profit, non-governmental organizations, and
others by state agencies. Besides federal tax funds, there
are state tax funds involved, for example, when the broadcasting
license is in the name of a state university. "How much tax
money does this station get" varies, widely.

https://reason.com/2017/02/23/pbs-npr-government-cpb-trump/

Kevin R

Robert Carnegie

2020-03-30 04:10:11 UTC

Post by Alan Baker
To be fair, I believe the briefing was by a senator...
...but certainly Trump would have been told all the same things.

Yes, but it's already been established that Trump doesn't believe things that are
told to him by the people who know.

How do you know what he really believes? He tells you?
Nope.

m***@sky.com

2020-03-30 17:47:33 UTC

Post by Robert Carnegie

Post by Alan Baker
To be fair, I believe the briefing was by a senator...
...but certainly Trump would have been told all the same things.

Yes, but it's already been established that Trump doesn't believe things that are
told to him by the people who know.

How do you know what he really believes? He tells you?
Nope.

When Trump was running I bought, read, and made very short notes on, "The Art of the Deal". So on P52 I see that it says "I learned much more from conducting my own random surveys than I could ever have learned from the greatest consulting firms" - but on P308 he seeks out and listens to advice from a firm specialising in ice rinks. at P283 we are back with "I like consultants even less than I like committees" I must admit that I don't understand why this book has not been cited more often.

Kevrob

2020-03-30 18:02:12 UTC

Post by m***@sky.com

Post by Robert Carnegie

Post by Alan Baker
To be fair, I believe the briefing was by a senator...
...but certainly Trump would have been told all the same things.

Yes, but it's already been established that Trump doesn't believe things that are
told to him by the people who know.

How do you know what he really believes? He tells you?
Nope.

When Trump was running I bought, read, and made very short notes on,
"The Art of the Deal". So on P52 I see that it says "I learned much
more from conducting my own random surveys than I could ever have
learned from the greatest consulting firms" - but on P308 he seeks
out and listens to advice from a firm specialising in ice rinks.
at P283 we are back with "I like consultants even less than I like
committees" I must admit that I don't understand why this book has
not been cited more often.

Trump's ghostwriter, Tony Schwartz, "feels deep remorse."

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2016/07/25/donald-trumps-ghostwriter-tells-all

--
Kevin R
a.a #2310

Lynn McGuire

2020-03-29 20:21:41 UTC

Post by Alan Baker
<https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/>
More than 85,000 cases...
...and doubling about every three days.
Nearly 1,300 deaths...
...and doubling every three days.
'When you have 15 people, and the 15 within a couple of days is going to
be down to close to zero that’s a pretty good job we’ve done.'
And as previously stated, I don't trust the numbers out of China at all...
...but that doesn't change how appallingly bad the situation in the US
has been allowed to become by the current administration.

If the Obama administration had bothered to finish the vaccine for SARS
1, we might not be in this mess. The testing kits for SARS 1 work for
SARS 2, we might have been lucky enough that the vaccine would worked also.

https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-care/scientists-were-close-coronavirus-vaccine-years-ago-then-money-dried-n1150091

BTW, the UK has a much higher death rate from SARS 2 than the USA does,
18 deaths per million population versus 4 deaths per million population.
At the moment.

Lynn

William Hyde

2020-03-29 21:03:52 UTC

If the Obama administration had bothered to finish the vaccine for SARS
1, we might not be in this mess. The testing kits for SARS 1 work for
SARS 2, we might have been lucky enough that the vaccine would worked also.
https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-care/scientists-were-close-coronavirus-vaccine-years-ago-then-money-dried-n1150091
BTW, the UK has a much higher death rate from SARS 2 than the USA does,
18 deaths per million population versus 4 deaths per million population.
At the moment.

Given your greater number of ventilators and younger population, there is some hope that the toll in the US, per case anyway, will be one of the smallest.

William Hyde

Alan Baker

2020-03-29 21:09:09 UTC

Post by Alan Baker
<https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/>
More than 85,000 cases...
...and doubling about every three days.
Nearly 1,300 deaths...
...and doubling every three days.
'When you have 15 people, and the 15 within a couple of days is going
to be down to close to zero that’s a pretty good job we’ve done.'
And as previously stated, I don't trust the numbers out of China at all...
...but that doesn't change how appallingly bad the situation in the US
has been allowed to become by the current administration.

And another asshat chimes in.

1. Where's your proof that the Obama administration was in any way
derelict in its duties?

2. A vaccine for SARS[-1] will not necessarily work for COVID-19.

3. Where's your proof that the testing kits for SARS[-1] work for COVID-19?

4. Even if they do, that still doesn't prove that a vaccine for SARS[-1]
will be effective against COVID-19

Post by Lynn McGuire
BTW, the UK has a much higher death rate from SARS 2 than the USA does,
18 deaths per million population versus 4 deaths per million population.
At the moment.

Indeed.

At the moment.

Let your asshat of a president open up the country by Easter, and you'll
have all the deaths he wants.

a425couple

2020-03-30 02:43:09 UTC

Post by Alan Baker
<https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/>
More than 85,000 cases...
...and doubling about every three days.
Nearly 1,300 deaths...
...and doubling every three days.
'When you have 15 people, and the 15 within a couple of days is going
to be down to close to zero that’s a pretty good job we’ve done.'
And as previously stated, I don't trust the numbers out of China at all...
...but that doesn't change how appallingly bad the situation in the
US has been allowed to become by the current administration.

And another asshat chimes in.
1. Where's your proof that the Obama administration was in any way
derelict in its duties?

Alan, that is very, very rude of you to call Lynn an "asshat".

There is plenty of evidence that in 2009 POTUS Obama
dug deeply into the national stockpile of N95 Masks.
He did not replenish them in 2010.
He did not replenish them in 2011.
He did not replenish them in 2012.
He did not replenish them in 2013.
He did not replenish them in 2014.
He did not replenish them in 2015.
He did not replenish them in 2016.

National Stockpile of N95 Masks Was Depleted Under Obama
...tennesseestar.com › 2020/03/25 › national-stockpile-of-n95-masks-wa...
5 days ago - The shortage of N95 respirator masks in America today is
the result of the ... National Stockpile of N95 Masks Was Depleted Under
Obama and Not Replenished ... The H1N1 influenza outbreak in 2009 led to
274,304 hospitalizations, ... other care facilities, in need of personal
protective equipment (PPE).”.
Missing: largely ‎| Must include: largely

After H1N1, Task Force Advised Obama to Avert Shortage of
...www.dailysignal.com › 2020/03/25 › after-last-pandemic-task-force-a...
4 days ago - A federal stockpile was short 100 million protective masks
after the Obama ... after the H1N1 virus, but didn't replenish its
supply for the next pandemic, ... Tuesday in Millburn, New Jersey, was
depleted during the swine flu of 2009. ... had 12 million of the N95
masks and 30 million surgical masks in all.
Missing: largely ‎| Must include: largely

Recommended Actions for EMS Providers To Prepare For and
...file.lacounty.gov › SDSInter › dhs › 207110_PandemicInfluenza
PDF
Pandemic Influenza Guidelines for EMS Providers – Management . ...
(e.g., the use of surgical masks) or remain at airborne precautions
based on the mode ... United States: U.S. Centers for Disease Control
and Prevention (CDC) ... 2009 H1N1 and novel virus guidance indicate
that EMS personnel wear N95 respirators for.
COVID-19 alert

Was Obama Responsible for N95 Masks Shortage? - Snopeswww.snopes.com ›
Fact Checks › Politics
Claim: Former President Barack Obama's administration was to blame for
the shortage of protective equipment like N95 respirator masks in the
early months of the...
Claimed by: Multiple Sources
Fact check by Snopes: Mixture
Feedback

Pretty nasty of Alan to call our elected President an "asshat".
At least we elect our Head of State.
Pisser, that ex-Prince Harry and Meghan have decided they
would rather live in the USA than in BC.

h***@gmail.com

2020-03-30 03:53:03 UTC

Post by Alan Baker
<https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/>
More than 85,000 cases...
...and doubling about every three days.
Nearly 1,300 deaths...
...and doubling every three days.
'When you have 15 people, and the 15 within a couple of days is going
to be down to close to zero that’s a pretty good job we’ve done.'
And as previously stated, I don't trust the numbers out of China at all...
...but that doesn't change how appallingly bad the situation in the
US has been allowed to become by the current administration.

And another asshat chimes in.
1. Where's your proof that the Obama administration was in any way
derelict in its duties?

Alan, that is very, very rude of you to call Lynn an "asshat".

Bah.

Post by a425couple
There is plenty of evidence that in 2009 POTUS Obama
dug deeply into the national stockpile of N95 Masks.
He did not replenish them in 2010.
He did not replenish them in 2011.
He did not replenish them in 2012.
He did not replenish them in 2013.
He did not replenish them in 2014.
He did not replenish them in 2015.
He did not replenish them in 2016.
National Stockpile of N95 Masks Was Depleted Under Obama
...tennesseestar.com › 2020/03/25 › national-stockpile-of-n95-masks-wa...
5 days ago - The shortage of N95 respirator masks in America today is
the result of the ... National Stockpile of N95 Masks Was Depleted Under
Obama and Not Replenished ... The H1N1 influenza outbreak in 2009 led to
274,304 hospitalizations, ... other care facilities, in need of personal
protective equipment (PPE).”.

Trump's been president for 3 years, the first warnings about Covid-19 were in January, he's had time and powers to get more masks made or purchased.

Post by a425couple
Missing: largely ‎| Must include: largely
After H1N1, Task Force Advised Obama to Avert Shortage of
...www.dailysignal.com › 2020/03/25 › after-last-pandemic-task-force-a...
4 days ago - A federal stockpile was short 100 million protective masks
after the Obama ... after the H1N1 virus, but didn't replenish its
supply for the next pandemic, ... Tuesday in Millburn, New Jersey, was
depleted during the swine flu of 2009. ... had 12 million of the N95
masks and 30 million surgical masks in all.
Missing: largely ‎| Must include: largely
Recommended Actions for EMS Providers To Prepare For and
...file.lacounty.gov › SDSInter › dhs › 207110_PandemicInfluenza
PDF
Pandemic Influenza Guidelines for EMS Providers – Management . ...
(e.g., the use of surgical masks) or remain at airborne precautions
based on the mode ... United States: U.S. Centers for Disease Control
and Prevention (CDC) ... 2009 H1N1 and novel virus guidance indicate
that EMS personnel wear N95 respirators for.
COVID-19 alert
Was Obama Responsible for N95 Masks Shortage? - Snopeswww.snopes.com ›
Fact Checks › Politics
Claim: Former President Barack Obama's administration was to blame for
the shortage of protective equipment like N95 respirator masks in the
early months of the...
Claimed by: Multiple Sources
Fact check by Snopes: Mixture
Feedback
Pretty nasty of Alan to call our elected President an "asshat".

Accuracy is a defense

Robert Carnegie

2020-03-30 04:19:22 UTC

Post by Alan Baker
<https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/>
More than 85,000 cases...
...and doubling about every three days.
Nearly 1,300 deaths...
...and doubling every three days.
'When you have 15 people, and the 15 within a couple of days is going
to be down to close to zero that’s a pretty good job we’ve done.'
And as previously stated, I don't trust the numbers out of China at all...
...but that doesn't change how appallingly bad the situation in the
US has been allowed to become by the current administration.

And another asshat chimes in.
1. Where's your proof that the Obama administration was in any way
derelict in its duties?

Alan, that is very, very rude of you to call Lynn an "asshat".

Bah.

Trump's been president for 3 years, the first warnings about Covid-19 were in January, he's had time and powers to get more masks made or purchased.

Accuracy is a defense

Until they actually put you on banknotes, the power
of a U.S. President actually to buy things is limited.
President Obama quickly wound up with a Congress
that gravely restricted his ability to play "Monopoly".
He was the first not to get his $200 automatically
when he passed "Go". Apparently it didn't count now
until they passed it as well.

Alan Baker

2020-03-30 05:08:17 UTC

Post by Alan Baker
<https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/>
More than 85,000 cases...
...and doubling about every three days.
Nearly 1,300 deaths...
...and doubling every three days.
'When you have 15 people, and the 15 within a couple of days is going
to be down to close to zero that’s a pretty good job we’ve done.'
And as previously stated, I don't trust the numbers out of China at all...
...but that doesn't change how appallingly bad the situation in the
US has been allowed to become by the current administration.

And another asshat chimes in.
1. Where's your proof that the Obama administration was in any way
derelict in its duties?

Alan, that is very, very rude of you to call Lynn an "asshat".

Bah.

Trump's been president for 3 years, the first warnings about Covid-19 were in January, he's had time and powers to get more masks made or purchased.

Accuracy is a defense

And while Trump clearly IS an asshat...

...I did't call him one in my post.

o***@gmail.com

2020-03-31 22:28:10 UTC

Post by Alan Baker
<https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/>
More than 85,000 cases...
...and doubling about every three days.
Nearly 1,300 deaths...
...and doubling every three days.
'When you have 15 people, and the 15 within a couple of days is going
to be down to close to zero that’s a pretty good job we’ve done.'
And as previously stated, I don't trust the numbers out of China at all...
...but that doesn't change how appallingly bad the situation in the
US has been allowed to become by the current administration.

And another asshat chimes in.
1. Where's your proof that the Obama administration was in any way
derelict in its duties?

Alan, that is very, very rude of you to call Lynn an "asshat".

Bah.

Trump's been president for 3 years, the first warnings about Covid-19 were in January, he's had time and powers to get more masks made or purchased.

Accuracy is a defense

.....but TDS is not.....

Alan Baker

2020-03-31 22:43:36 UTC

Post by Alan Baker
<https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/>
More than 85,000 cases...
...and doubling about every three days.
Nearly 1,300 deaths...
...and doubling every three days.
'When you have 15 people, and the 15 within a couple of days is going
to be down to close to zero that’s a pretty good job we’ve done.'
And as previously stated, I don't trust the numbers out of China at all...
...but that doesn't change how appallingly bad the situation in the
US has been allowed to become by the current administration.

And another asshat chimes in.
1. Where's your proof that the Obama administration was in any way
derelict in its duties?

Alan, that is very, very rude of you to call Lynn an "asshat".

Bah.

Trump's been president for 3 years, the first warnings about Covid-19 were in January, he's had time and powers to get more masks made or purchased.

Accuracy is a defense

.....but TDS is not.....

He says he's a genius... ...but won't allow anyone to see his school
records.

He says he's a billionaire... ...but won't allow anyone to see his tax
records.

Shall I go on?

o***@gmail.com

2020-04-01 16:48:41 UTC

Post by a425couple
Pretty nasty of Alan to call our elected President an "asshat".

Accuracy is a defense

.....but TDS is not.....

He says he's a genius... ...but won't allow anyone to see his school
records.
He says he's a billionaire... ...but won't allow anyone to see his tax
records.
Shall I go on?

....illustrating your symptoms ?

Sure...if it makes you feel better

Alan Baker

2020-04-01 18:55:02 UTC

Post by a425couple
Pretty nasty of Alan to call our elected President an "asshat".

Accuracy is a defense

.....but TDS is not.....

He says he's a genius... ...but won't allow anyone to see his school
records.
He says he's a billionaire... ...but won't allow anyone to see his tax
records.
Shall I go on?

....illustrating your symptoms ?
Sure...if it makes you feel better

Do you agree that his actions don't match his claims?

o***@gmail.com

2020-04-02 21:43:49 UTC

Post by a425couple
Pretty nasty of Alan to call our elected President an "asshat".

Accuracy is a defense

.....but TDS is not.....

He says he's a genius... ...but won't allow anyone to see his school
records.
He says he's a billionaire... ...but won't allow anyone to see his tax
records.
Shall I go on?

....illustrating your symptoms ?
Sure...if it makes you feel better

Do you agree that his actions don't match his claims?

Non sequitur.

....try again.....

Alan Baker

2020-04-03 01:25:45 UTC

Post by a425couple
Pretty nasty of Alan to call our elected President an "asshat".

Accuracy is a defense

.....but TDS is not.....

He says he's a genius... ...but won't allow anyone to see his school
records.
He says he's a billionaire... ...but won't allow anyone to see his tax
records.
Shall I go on?

....illustrating your symptoms ?
Sure...if it makes you feel better

Do you agree that his actions don't match his claims?

Non sequitur.
....try again.....

I'll merely note that you very much want to dodge the facts.

o***@gmail.com

2020-04-03 19:32:43 UTC

Post by a425couple
Pretty nasty of Alan to call our elected President an "asshat".

Accuracy is a defense

.....but TDS is not.....

He says he's a genius... ...but won't allow anyone to see his school
records.
He says he's a billionaire... ...but won't allow anyone to see his tax
records.
Shall I go on?

....illustrating your symptoms ?
Sure...if it makes you feel better

Do you agree that his actions don't match his claims?

Non sequitur.
....try again.....

I'll merely note that you very much want to dodge the facts.

"Fact" not in evidence.

Review the meaning of non sequitur.

Alan Baker

2020-04-03 19:39:54 UTC

Post by a425couple
Pretty nasty of Alan to call our elected President an "asshat".

Accuracy is a defense

.....but TDS is not.....

He says he's a genius... ...but won't allow anyone to see his school
records.
He says he's a billionaire... ...but won't allow anyone to see his tax
records.
Shall I go on?

....illustrating your symptoms ?
Sure...if it makes you feel better

Do you agree that his actions don't match his claims?

Non sequitur.
....try again.....

I'll merely note that you very much want to dodge the facts.

"Fact" not in evidence.

Which facts do you dispute?

I'll present evidence—conclusive evidence—for anything you choose to say
you dispute.

Post by o***@gmail.com
Review the meaning of non sequitur.

I know what it means just fine, thanks.

o***@gmail.com

2020-04-04 00:21:28 UTC

Post by a425couple
Pretty nasty of Alan to call our elected President an "asshat".

Accuracy is a defense

.....but TDS is not.....

He says he's a genius... ...but won't allow anyone to see his school
records.
He says he's a billionaire... ...but won't allow anyone to see his tax
records.
Shall I go on?

....illustrating your symptoms ?
Sure...if it makes you feel better

Do you agree that his actions don't match his claims?

Non sequitur.
....try again.....

I'll merely note that you very much want to dodge the facts.

"Fact" not in evidence.

Which facts do you dispute?

Of the following four.....NONE !!!

1. He says he's a genius...

2. ...but won't allow anyone to see his school

3. He says he's a billionaire...

4. ...but won't allow anyone to see his tax

REPEAT: Review the meaning of non sequitur.

Post by Alan Baker
I know what it means just fine, thanks.

You just illustrated that you do not.

....the world giggles....

Alan Baker

2020-04-04 01:47:04 UTC

Post by a425couple
Pretty nasty of Alan to call our elected President an "asshat".

Accuracy is a defense

.....but TDS is not.....

He says he's a genius... ...but won't allow anyone to see his school
records.
He says he's a billionaire... ...but won't allow anyone to see his tax
records.
Shall I go on?

....illustrating your symptoms ?
Sure...if it makes you feel better

Do you agree that his actions don't match his claims?

Non sequitur.
....try again.....

I'll merely note that you very much want to dodge the facts.

"Fact" not in evidence.

Which facts do you dispute?

Of the following four.....NONE !!!
1. He says he's a genius...
2. ...but won't allow anyone to see his school
3. He says he's a billionaire...
4. ...but won't allow anyone to see his tax
REPEAT: Review the meaning of non sequitur.

So what is your definition of "asshat" that makes a man who matches all
those facts not one?

o***@gmail.com

2020-04-04 23:18:07 UTC

Post by a425couple
Pretty nasty of Alan to call our elected President an "asshat".

Accuracy is a defense

.....but TDS is not.....

He says he's a genius... ...but won't allow anyone to see his school
records.
He says he's a billionaire... ...but won't allow anyone to see his tax
records.
Shall I go on?

....illustrating your symptoms ?
Sure...if it makes you feel better

Do you agree that his actions don't match his claims?

Non sequitur.
....try again.....

I'll merely note that you very much want to dodge the facts.

"Fact" not in evidence.

Which facts do you dispute?

Of the following four.....NONE !!!
1. He says he's a genius...
2. ...but won't allow anyone to see his school
3. He says he's a billionaire...
4. ...but won't allow anyone to see his tax
REPEAT: Review the meaning of non sequitur.

So what is your definition of "asshat" that makes a man who matches all
those facts not one?

A phrase used in childish reaction by someone lacking in logic, but overwhelmed by emotion and philosophical hatred....and way to the left of the Dunning Kruger curve.

Alan Baker

2020-04-05 00:35:41 UTC

Post by a425couple
Pretty nasty of Alan to call our elected President an "asshat".

Accuracy is a defense

.....but TDS is not.....

He says he's a genius... ...but won't allow anyone to see his school
records.
He says he's a billionaire... ...but won't allow anyone to see his tax
records.
Shall I go on?

....illustrating your symptoms ?
Sure...if it makes you feel better

Do you agree that his actions don't match his claims?

Non sequitur.
....try again.....

I'll merely note that you very much want to dodge the facts.

"Fact" not in evidence.

Which facts do you dispute?

Of the following four.....NONE !!!
1. He says he's a genius...
evad
2. ...but won't allow anyone to see his school
3. He says he's a billionaire...
4. ...but won't allow anyone to see his tax
REPEAT: Review the meaning of non sequitur.

So what is your definition of "asshat" that makes a man who matches all
those facts not one?

A phrase used in childish reaction by someone lacking in logic, but overwhelmed by emotion and philosophical hatred....and way to the left of the Dunning Kruger curve.

So rather than actually answer the question, you evade it again.

o***@gmail.com

2020-04-05 19:48:38 UTC

Post by a425couple
Pretty nasty of Alan to call our elected President an "asshat".

Accuracy is a defense

.....but TDS is not.....

He says he's a genius... ...but won't allow anyone to see his school
records.
He says he's a billionaire... ...but won't allow anyone to see his tax
records.
Shall I go on?

....illustrating your symptoms ?
Sure...if it makes you feel better

Do you agree that his actions don't match his claims?

Non sequitur.
....try again.....

I'll merely note that you very much want to dodge the facts.

"Fact" not in evidence.

Which facts do you dispute?

So what is your definition of "asshat" that makes a man who matches all
those facts not one?

A phrase used in childish reaction by someone lacking in logic, but overwhelmed by emotion and philosophical hatred....and way to the left of the Dunning Kruger curve.

So rather than actually answer the question, you evade it again.

Of course.......as one ignores: "how high is up ? "

Alan Baker

2020-04-05 20:22:56 UTC

Post by a425couple
Pretty nasty of Alan to call our elected President an "asshat".

Accuracy is a defense

.....but TDS is not.....

He says he's a genius... ...but won't allow anyone to see his school
records.
He says he's a billionaire... ...but won't allow anyone to see his tax
records.
Shall I go on?

....illustrating your symptoms ?
Sure...if it makes you feel better

Do you agree that his actions don't match his claims?

Non sequitur.
....try again.....

I'll merely note that you very much want to dodge the facts.

"Fact" not in evidence.

Which facts do you dispute?

So what is your definition of "asshat" that makes a man who matches all
those facts not one?

A phrase used in childish reaction by someone lacking in logic, but overwhelmed by emotion and philosophical hatred....and way to the left of the Dunning Kruger curve.

So rather than actually answer the question, you evade it again.

Of course.......as one ignores: "how high is up ? "

Let's remember how this started:

You claimed that someone calling Trump an "asshat" means that they must
suffer from "TDS", correct?

That implies that you understand a meaning for the term, and that you
disagree with the characterization?

Trump is an idiot. He is literally of below average IQ.

Anyone who claims otherwise is deranged.

Quadibloc

2020-04-05 23:59:26 UTC

Post by Alan Baker
Trump is an idiot. He is literally of below average IQ.

Trump is a loudmouth and a thug. He does not appear to be particularly
intelligent, although he must at least have a certain low cunning to have gotten
where he is.

But he isn't literally an idiot (not that you had claimed that); for example, he
is perfectly capable of feeding himself.

John Savard

Alan Baker

2020-04-04 02:01:20 UTC

Post by Alan Baker
I'll merely note that you very much want to dodge the facts.

"Fact" not in evidence.

Which facts do you dispute?

Of the following four.....NONE !!!
1. He says he's a genius...
2. ...but won't allow anyone to see his school
3. He says he's a billionaire...
4. ...but won't allow anyone to see his tax

BTW, THIS is what an asshat would do:

'The U.S. government is now recommending Americans wear cloth
face-coverings on a voluntary basis to stem the spread of the
coronavirus, President Donald Trump said on Friday, although he said he
himself would not use one.

...

“With the masks, it’s going to be really a voluntary thing. You can do
it, you don’t have to do it. I’m choosing not to do it, but some people
may want to do it and that’s OK,” Trump said.'

<https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-health-coronavirus-masks/trump-advises-voluntary-mask-use-against-coronavirus-but-wont-wear-one-himself-idUSKBN21L39K>

And that stance—that CHOICE—will be responsible for deaths.

Because some of his idiot followers...

...will follow his example.

Robert Carnegie

2020-04-04 02:22:47 UTC

Post by Alan Baker
I'll merely note that you very much want to dodge the facts.

"Fact" not in evidence.

Which facts do you dispute?

Of the following four.....NONE !!!
1. He says he's a genius...
2. ...but won't allow anyone to see his school
3. He says he's a billionaire...
4. ...but won't allow anyone to see his tax

'The U.S. government is now recommending Americans wear cloth
face-coverings on a voluntary basis to stem the spread of the
coronavirus, President Donald Trump said on Friday, although he said he
himself would not use one.
...
“With the masks, it’s going to be really a voluntary thing. You can do
it, you don’t have to do it. I’m choosing not to do it, but some people
may want to do it and that’s OK,” Trump said.'
<https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-health-coronavirus-masks/trump-advises-voluntary-mask-use-against-coronavirus-but-wont-wear-one-himself-idUSKBN21L39K>
And that stance—that CHOICE—will be responsible for deaths.
Because some of his idiot followers...
...will follow his example.

It's still not to protect the person wearing the mask
but to keep the disease that they may have from
infecting other people. If the disease is COVID-19.

In other words, it's because you care about other
people. And I do not think that he does.

Quadibloc

2020-04-04 06:07:05 UTC

Post by Alan Baker
'The U.S. government is now recommending Americans wear cloth
face-coverings on a voluntary basis

Funny. Masks, like hand sanitizer, are not obtainable, shortly after the start
of this, all the stores sold completely out.

So how would anyone be expected to comply?

Hospitals and qualified medical personnel will be given priority in obtaining
however few masks may continue to be produced.

Of course, if Canada bans the export of the pulp from which N95 masks are
made... but this would be an unwise move. We may need to use some of it for our
own needs, but we should not let Donald Trump stop us from behaving in
accordance with responsibility and our deep friendship with the American people.

John Savard

Alan Baker

2020-04-04 07:25:51 UTC

Post by Alan Baker
'The U.S. government is now recommending Americans wear cloth
face-coverings on a voluntary basis

Funny. Masks, like hand sanitizer, are not obtainable, shortly after the start
of this, all the stores sold completely out.
So how would anyone be expected to comply?

"Cloth face-coverings"...

Post by Quadibloc
Hospitals and qualified medical personnel will be given priority in obtaining
however few masks may continue to be produced.
Of course, if Canada bans the export of the pulp from which N95 masks are
made... but this would be an unwise move. We may need to use some of it for our
own needs, but we should not let Donald Trump stop us from behaving in
accordance with responsibility and our deep friendship with the American people.
John Savard

Quadibloc

2020-04-04 07:28:37 UTC

Post by Alan Baker
'The U.S. government is now recommending Americans wear cloth
face-coverings on a voluntary basis

Funny. Masks, like hand sanitizer, are not obtainable, shortly after the start
of this, all the stores sold completely out.
So how would anyone be expected to comply?

"Cloth face-coverings"...

Ah, yes. Homemade masks. Of highly dubious effectiveness, but anything is better
than nothing.

John Savard

Alan Baker

2020-04-04 16:01:07 UTC

Post by Alan Baker
'The U.S. government is now recommending Americans wear cloth
face-coverings on a voluntary basis

Funny. Masks, like hand sanitizer, are not obtainable, shortly after the start
of this, all the stores sold completely out.
So how would anyone be expected to comply?

"Cloth face-coverings"...

Ah, yes. Homemade masks. Of highly dubious effectiveness, but anything is better
than nothing.

Actually, given that the goal is for those who are infected not to
sneeze millions of tiny droplets into the air, I'd bet that even a scarf
over the mouth is very effective.

Paul S Person

2020-04-04 17:33:12 UTC

Post by Alan Baker
'The U.S. government is now recommending Americans wear cloth
face-coverings on a voluntary basis

Funny. Masks, like hand sanitizer, are not obtainable, shortly after the start
of this, all the stores sold completely out.
So how would anyone be expected to comply?
Hospitals and qualified medical personnel will be given priority in obtaining
however few masks may continue to be produced.
Of course, if Canada bans the export of the pulp from which N95 masks are
made... but this would be an unwise move. We may need to use some of it for our
own needs, but we should not let Donald Trump stop us from behaving in
accordance with responsibility and our deep friendship with the American people.

If it becomes a requirement here, I /have/ masks. A small number.

Bought 'em some years ago. One small package.

They're for use in yard work.

To keep the dust out of my mouth and nose.

And are /guaranteed/, so to speak, to let any viruses through.

But they /look/ OK, I suppose.

--
"I begin to envy Petronius."
"I have envied him long since."

Magewolf

2020-04-04 19:13:19 UTC

Post by Alan Baker
'The U.S. government is now recommending Americans wear cloth
face-coverings on a voluntary basis

Funny. Masks, like hand sanitizer, are not obtainable, shortly after the start
of this, all the stores sold completely out.
So how would anyone be expected to comply?
Hospitals and qualified medical personnel will be given priority in obtaining
however few masks may continue to be produced.
Of course, if Canada bans the export of the pulp from which N95 masks are
made... but this would be an unwise move. We may need to use some of it for our
own needs, but we should not let Donald Trump stop us from behaving in
accordance with responsibility and our deep friendship with the American people.

If it becomes a requirement here, I /have/ masks. A small number.
Bought 'em some years ago. One small package.
They're for use in yard work.
To keep the dust out of my mouth and nose.
And are /guaranteed/, so to speak, to let any viruses through.
But they /look/ OK, I suppose.

To be fair, the whole face covering thing is to keep people from
spreading their virus over as large an area not to protect them from
other people's. Lots of people do not seem to understand that.

I know my mother felt she had to tell me how a friend of hers told her
how to make a face "mask" out of underwear and how I should do it. I
told her if I was going to wear underwear on my head I would do it the
proper way and wear it like a hat.

Kevrob

2020-04-04 19:47:29 UTC

Post by Alan Baker
'The U.S. government is now recommending Americans wear cloth
face-coverings on a voluntary basis

Funny. Masks, like hand sanitizer, are not obtainable, shortly after the start
of this, all the stores sold completely out.
So how would anyone be expected to comply?
Hospitals and qualified medical personnel will be given priority in obtaining
however few masks may continue to be produced.
Of course, if Canada bans the export of the pulp from which N95 masks are
made... but this would be an unwise move. We may need to use some of it for our
own needs, but we should not let Donald Trump stop us from behaving in
accordance with responsibility and our deep friendship with the American people.

If it becomes a requirement here, I /have/ masks. A small number.
Bought 'em some years ago. One small package.
They're for use in yard work.
To keep the dust out of my mouth and nose.
And are /guaranteed/, so to speak, to let any viruses through.
But they /look/ OK, I suppose.

To be fair, the whole face covering thing is to keep people from
spreading their virus over as large an area not to protect them from
other people's. Lots of people do not seem to understand that.
I know my mother felt she had to tell me how a friend of hers told her
how to make a face "mask" out of underwear and how I should do it. I
told her if I was going to wear underwear on my head I would do it the
proper way and wear it like a hat.

Someone visiting one of my housemates yesterday had improvised
a mask from a T-shirt. He looked like he was dressed for a
well-below-freezing winter's day. It didn't require any sewing,
though, which made it a good hack.

Kevin R

J. Clarke

2020-04-04 20:01:43 UTC

Post by Alan Baker
'The U.S. government is now recommending Americans wear cloth
face-coverings on a voluntary basis

Funny. Masks, like hand sanitizer, are not obtainable, shortly after the start
of this, all the stores sold completely out.
So how would anyone be expected to comply?
Hospitals and qualified medical personnel will be given priority in obtaining
however few masks may continue to be produced.
Of course, if Canada bans the export of the pulp from which N95 masks are
made... but this would be an unwise move. We may need to use some of it for our
own needs, but we should not let Donald Trump stop us from behaving in
accordance with responsibility and our deep friendship with the American people.

If it becomes a requirement here, I /have/ masks. A small number.
Bought 'em some years ago. One small package.
They're for use in yard work.
To keep the dust out of my mouth and nose.
And are /guaranteed/, so to speak, to let any viruses through.
But they /look/ OK, I suppose.

To be fair, the whole face covering thing is to keep people from
spreading their virus over as large an area not to protect them from
other people's. Lots of people do not seem to understand that.
I know my mother felt she had to tell me how a friend of hers told her
how to make a face "mask" out of underwear and how I should do it. I
told her if I was going to wear underwear on my head I would do it the
proper way and wear it like a hat.

Note that Miami is now requiring face masks for grocery shoppers.
Where they are supposed to get the face masks the government does not
explain.

Titus G

2020-04-04 22:19:29 UTC

Post by Alan Baker
'The U.S. government is now recommending Americans wear cloth
face-coverings on a voluntary basis

Funny. Masks, like hand sanitizer, are not obtainable, shortly after the start
of this, all the stores sold completely out.
So how would anyone be expected to comply?
Hospitals and qualified medical personnel will be given priority in obtaining
however few masks may continue to be produced.
Of course, if Canada bans the export of the pulp from which N95 masks are
made... but this would be an unwise move. We may need to use some of it for our
own needs, but we should not let Donald Trump stop us from behaving in
accordance with responsibility and our deep friendship with the American people.

If it becomes a requirement here, I /have/ masks. A small number.
Bought 'em some years ago. One small package.
They're for use in yard work.
To keep the dust out of my mouth and nose.
And are /guaranteed/, so to speak, to let any viruses through.
But they /look/ OK, I suppose.

To be fair, the whole face covering thing is to keep people from
spreading their virus over as large an area not to protect them from
other people's. Lots of people do not seem to understand that.
I know my mother felt she had to tell me how a friend of hers told her
how to make a face "mask" out of underwear and how I should do it. I
told her if I was going to wear underwear on my head I would do it the
proper way and wear it like a hat.

Note that Miami is now requiring face masks for grocery shoppers.
Where they are supposed to get the face masks the government does not
explain.

I have a gardening mask that I use but a mask can be made in 40 seconds.

https://masks4all.co/how-to-make-a-homemade-mask/

If you just want to see the instructions, you will have to scroll about
3/4 of the way down that long page.

Paul S Person

2020-04-05 18:05:20 UTC

On Sat, 04 Apr 2020 16:01:43 -0400, J. Clarke

Post by Alan Baker
'The U.S. government is now recommending Americans wear cloth
face-coverings on a voluntary basis

Funny. Masks, like hand sanitizer, are not obtainable, shortly after the start
of this, all the stores sold completely out.
So how would anyone be expected to comply?
Hospitals and qualified medical personnel will be given priority in obtaining
however few masks may continue to be produced.
Of course, if Canada bans the export of the pulp from which N95 masks are
made... but this would be an unwise move. We may need to use some of it for our
own needs, but we should not let Donald Trump stop us from behaving in
accordance with responsibility and our deep friendship with the American people.

If it becomes a requirement here, I /have/ masks. A small number.
Bought 'em some years ago. One small package.
They're for use in yard work.
To keep the dust out of my mouth and nose.
And are /guaranteed/, so to speak, to let any viruses through.
But they /look/ OK, I suppose.

To be fair, the whole face covering thing is to keep people from
spreading their virus over as large an area not to protect them from
other people's. Lots of people do not seem to understand that.
I know my mother felt she had to tell me how a friend of hers told her
how to make a face "mask" out of underwear and how I should do it. I
told her if I was going to wear underwear on my head I would do it the
proper way and wear it like a hat.

Note that Miami is now requiring face masks for grocery shoppers.
Where they are supposed to get the face masks the government does not
explain.

https://www.amazon.com/HEROBIKER-Bandana-Do-Rags-Breathable-Moisture/dp/B07QM423HQ/ref=sr_1_8?crid=9TDGUHBP8F1Q&dchild=1&keywords=dust%2Bmask&qid=1586108949&sprefix=dust%2B%2Caps%2C334&sr=8-8&th=1
https://www.amazon.com/Disposable-Personal-Protection-Dust-Proof-Spittle/dp/B086PY4QC1/ref=sr_1_9?crid=9TDGUHBP8F1Q&dchild=1&keywords=dust+mask&qid=1586108949&sprefix=dust+%2Caps%2C334&sr=8-9

Then again, while both claim to be "in stock", the earliest delivery
date is /May 22/, which is rather far away right now. Bummer.

This one:
https://www.amazon.com/stores/page/1C0A78AA-1E96-4968-A38E-962991DDC089?store_ref=SB_A0838171259TX1OQYNUUD&pd_rd_w=MkcmN&pf_rd_p=4fc0c6cc-884d-4533-9cdc-ddf18e23ce32&pd_rd_wg=EyTQ0&pf_rd_r=FR8J85DB5T0KB8AVVMM9&pd_rd_r=5c186e26-c01a-48de-8349-4b1720d483db&pd_rd_i=ad1&aaxitk=IqSbJDmll11aGQqCiDM1Ng&hsa_cr_id=3852418460001&lp_mat_key=face%20mask&lp_query=dust%20mask&lp_slot=desktop-arbies&ref_=sb_dp_arbies
OTOH, promises delivery as early as April 9.

But I must say that what amounts to wrapping a towel around the face
is beginning to make a certain amount of sense as advice.

--
"I begin to envy Petronius."
"I have envied him long since."

J. Clarke

2020-04-06 01:27:28 UTC

On Sun, 05 Apr 2020 11:05:20 -0700, Paul S Person

Post by Paul S Person
On Sat, 04 Apr 2020 16:01:43 -0400, J. Clarke

Post by Alan Baker
'The U.S. government is now recommending Americans wear cloth
face-coverings on a voluntary basis

Funny. Masks, like hand sanitizer, are not obtainable, shortly after the start
of this, all the stores sold completely out.
So how would anyone be expected to comply?
Hospitals and qualified medical personnel will be given priority in obtaining
however few masks may continue to be produced.
Of course, if Canada bans the export of the pulp from which N95 masks are
made... but this would be an unwise move. We may need to use some of it for our
own needs, but we should not let Donald Trump stop us from behaving in
accordance with responsibility and our deep friendship with the American people.

If it becomes a requirement here, I /have/ masks. A small number.
Bought 'em some years ago. One small package.
They're for use in yard work.
To keep the dust out of my mouth and nose.
And are /guaranteed/, so to speak, to let any viruses through.
But they /look/ OK, I suppose.

To be fair, the whole face covering thing is to keep people from
spreading their virus over as large an area not to protect them from
other people's. Lots of people do not seem to understand that.
I know my mother felt she had to tell me how a friend of hers told her
how to make a face "mask" out of underwear and how I should do it. I
told her if I was going to wear underwear on my head I would do it the
proper way and wear it like a hat.

Note that Miami is now requiring face masks for grocery shoppers.
Where they are supposed to get the face masks the government does not
explain.

When you've ordered them and they've actually arrived get back to us.
There are a lot of masks suddenly appearing on Amazon from dubious
sources.

Post by Paul S Person
https://www.amazon.com/stores/page/1C0A78AA-1E96-4968-A38E-962991DDC089?store_ref=SB_A0838171259TX1OQYNUUD&pd_rd_w=MkcmN&pf_rd_p=4fc0c6cc-884d-4533-9cdc-ddf18e23ce32&pd_rd_wg=EyTQ0&pf_rd_r=FR8J85DB5T0KB8AVVMM9&pd_rd_r=5c186e26-c01a-48de-8349-4b1720d483db&pd_rd_i=ad1&aaxitk=IqSbJDmll11aGQqCiDM1Ng&hsa_cr_id=3852418460001&lp_mat_key=face%20mask&lp_query=dust%20mask&lp_slot=desktop-arbies&ref_=sb_dp_arbies
OTOH, promises delivery as early as April 9.

Those might actually make the Mayor happy, although it's doubtful that
they have much protective effect ("lightweight breathable").

The mayor should be required to obtain a face mask. Not have one
handed to him by a flunky but go out without his entourage and his
special privilege and buy one like the people to whom he is dictating
edicts.

Post by Paul S Person
But I must say that what amounts to wrapping a towel around the face
is beginning to make a certain amount of sense as advice.

Paul S Person

2020-04-06 17:01:35 UTC

On Sun, 05 Apr 2020 21:27:28 -0400, J. Clarke

Post by J. Clarke
On Sun, 05 Apr 2020 11:05:20 -0700, Paul S Person

Post by Paul S Person
On Sat, 04 Apr 2020 16:01:43 -0400, J. Clarke

Post by Alan Baker
'The U.S. government is now recommending Americans wear cloth
face-coverings on a voluntary basis

Funny. Masks, like hand sanitizer, are not obtainable, shortly after the start
of this, all the stores sold completely out.
So how would anyone be expected to comply?
Hospitals and qualified medical personnel will be given priority in obtaining
however few masks may continue to be produced.
Of course, if Canada bans the export of the pulp from which N95 masks are
made... but this would be an unwise move. We may need to use some of it for our
own needs, but we should not let Donald Trump stop us from behaving in
accordance with responsibility and our deep friendship with the American people.

If it becomes a requirement here, I /have/ masks. A small number.
Bought 'em some years ago. One small package.
They're for use in yard work.
To keep the dust out of my mouth and nose.
And are /guaranteed/, so to speak, to let any viruses through.
But they /look/ OK, I suppose.

To be fair, the whole face covering thing is to keep people from
spreading their virus over as large an area not to protect them from
other people's. Lots of people do not seem to understand that.
I know my mother felt she had to tell me how a friend of hers told her
how to make a face "mask" out of underwear and how I should do it. I
told her if I was going to wear underwear on my head I would do it the
proper way and wear it like a hat.

Note that Miami is now requiring face masks for grocery shoppers.
Where they are supposed to get the face masks the government does not
explain.

When you've ordered them and they've actually arrived get back to us.
There are a lot of masks suddenly appearing on Amazon from dubious
sources.

Yes, there are. And they have the ratings to prove it!

But I avoided those.

I'm not ordering anything, as far as masks go.

Those might actually make the Mayor happy, although it's doubtful that
they have much protective effect ("lightweight breathable").

I don't know about you, but if I can't breathe through it, there's not
much point to my wearing it.

Post by J. Clarke
The mayor should be required to obtain a face mask. Not have one
handed to him by a flunky but go out without his entourage and his
special privilege and buy one like the people to whom he is dictating
edicts.

Where I am, that would be "her" and "hers".

The guv, OTOH, is a "he".

Post by Paul S Person
But I must say that what amounts to wrapping a towel around the face
is beginning to make a certain amount of sense as advice.

--
"I begin to envy Petronius."
"I have envied him long since."

Paul S Person

2020-04-04 17:29:36 UTC

On Fri, 3 Apr 2020 19:01:20 -0700, Alan Baker

Post by Alan Baker
I'll merely note that you very much want to dodge the facts.

"Fact" not in evidence.

Which facts do you dispute?

Of the following four.....NONE !!!
1. He says he's a genius...
2. ...but won't allow anyone to see his school
3. He says he's a billionaire...
4. ...but won't allow anyone to see his tax

'The U.S. government is now recommending Americans wear cloth
face-coverings on a voluntary basis to stem the spread of the
coronavirus, President Donald Trump said on Friday, although he said he
himself would not use one.
...
With the masks, its going to be really a voluntary thing. You can do
it, you dont have to do it. Im choosing not to do it, but some people
may want to do it and thats OK, Trump said.'
<https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-health-coronavirus-masks/trump-advises-voluntary-mask-use-against-coronavirus-but-wont-wear-one-himself-idUSKBN21L39K>
And that stancethat CHOICEwill be responsible for deaths.
Because some of his idiot followers...
...will follow his example.

And that's a particular problem, because ...

--
"I begin to envy Petronius."
"I have envied him long since."

Quadibloc

2020-04-06 00:01:05 UTC

Post by Paul S Person
On Fri, 3 Apr 2020 19:01:20 -0700, Alan Baker

Post by Alan Baker
Because some of his idiot followers...
...will follow his example.

And that's a particular problem, because ...

Herd immunity. They can infect other people besides themselves.

John Savard

Paul S Person

2020-04-06 17:05:15 UTC

Post by Paul S Person
On Fri, 3 Apr 2020 19:01:20 -0700, Alan Baker

Post by Alan Baker
Because some of his idiot followers...
...will follow his example.

And that's a particular problem, because ...

Herd immunity. They can infect other people besides themselves.

There are only two ways to produce herd immunity:

1) Immunize enough people. But we can't do that yet.

2) Enough people catch it, recover, and are immune. This we can do.

Separation may indeed slow the spread and help us avoid becoming
another Italy, but it will not produce herd immunity.

I still don't see why Trump's base infecting itself is a particular
problem. I would, of course, prefer they not do it on humanitarian
grounds, but politically I think it's a swell idea.

Donald Trump can then go down in history as the only President to lose
re-election because he killed off his own voters. Think how proud he
will be!

--
"I begin to envy Petronius."
"I have envied him long since."

David Johnston

2020-04-06 17:27:05 UTC

Post by Paul S Person
On Fri, 3 Apr 2020 19:01:20 -0700, Alan Baker

Post by Alan Baker
Because some of his idiot followers...
...will follow his example.

And that's a particular problem, because ...

Herd immunity. They can infect other people besides themselves.

1) Immunize enough people. But we can't do that yet.
2) Enough people catch it, recover, and are immune. This we can do.
Separation may indeed slow the spread and help us avoid becoming
another Italy, but it will not produce herd immunity.
I still don't see why Trump's base infecting itself is a particular
problem. I would, of course, prefer they not do it on humanitarian
grounds, but politically I think it's a swell idea.
Donald Trump can then go down in history as the only President to lose
re-election because he killed off his own voters. Think how proud he
will be!

Reducing the population of red states slightly will not have any impact
on the election.

o***@gmail.com

2020-04-06 19:56:00 UTC

Post by Paul S Person
On Fri, 3 Apr 2020 19:01:20 -0700, Alan Baker

Post by Alan Baker
Because some of his idiot followers...
...will follow his example.

And that's a particular problem, because ...

Herd immunity. They can infect other people besides themselves.

Reducing the population of red states slightly will not have any impact
on the election.

.....as most victims are in the blue cities in those red states....

David Johnston

2020-04-06 23:43:00 UTC

Post by Paul S Person
On Fri, 3 Apr 2020 19:01:20 -0700, Alan Baker

Post by Alan Baker
Because some of his idiot followers...
...will follow his example.

And that's a particular problem, because ...

Herd immunity. They can infect other people besides themselves.

Reducing the population of red states slightly will not have any impact
on the election.

.....as most victims are in the blue cities in those red states....

Well no. Regardless of who dies there they'll still vote the same way
and still get the same number of electoral votes.

Peter Trei

2020-04-08 03:19:37 UTC

Post by Paul S Person
On Fri, 3 Apr 2020 19:01:20 -0700, Alan Baker

Post by Alan Baker
Because some of his idiot followers...
...will follow his example.

And that's a particular problem, because ...

Herd immunity. They can infect other people besides themselves.

Reducing the population of red states slightly will not have any impact
on the election.

.....as most victims are in the blue cities in those red states....

Well no. Regardless of who dies there they'll still vote the same way
and still get the same number of electoral votes.

In some places, dead people are known to vote anyway.

pt

Alan Baker

2020-04-08 03:33:17 UTC

Post by Paul S Person
On Fri, 3 Apr 2020 19:01:20 -0700, Alan Baker

Post by Alan Baker
Because some of his idiot followers...
...will follow his example.

And that's a particular problem, because ...

Herd immunity. They can infect other people besides themselves.

Reducing the population of red states slightly will not have any impact
on the election.

.....as most victims are in the blue cities in those red states....

Well no. Regardless of who dies there they'll still vote the same way
and still get the same number of electoral votes.

In some places, dead people are known to vote anyway.
pt

No, actually... ...they're not.

Please don't buy into the conspiracy theories.

Juho Julkunen

2020-04-08 15:38:23 UTC

In article <r6jgl1$gpj$***@dont-email.me>, ***@no.no.no.no
says...

Post by Peter Trei
In some places, dead people are known to vote anyway.
pt

No, actually... ...they're not.
Please don't buy into the conspiracy theories.

How about a literary reference, on a literature newsgroup?

--
Juho Julkunen

Alan Baker

2020-04-08 17:01:13 UTC

Post by Juho Julkunen
says...

Post by Peter Trei
In some places, dead people are known to vote anyway.
pt

No, actually... ...they're not.
Please don't buy into the conspiracy theories.

How about a literary reference, on a literature newsgroup?

You mean like the one in your post?

:-)

Lynn McGuire

2020-04-08 18:10:20 UTC

Post by Juho Julkunen
says...

Post by Peter Trei
In some places, dead people are known to vote anyway.
pt

No, actually... ...they're not.
Please don't buy into the conspiracy theories.

How about a literary reference, on a literature newsgroup?

_Don of the Dead_
https://www.amazon.com/Don-Dead-Pepper-Martin-Mysteries/dp/0060821469/

Ordering hits from the grave ! Recommended.

Lynn

J. Clarke

2020-04-08 19:29:10 UTC

On Wed, 8 Apr 2020 13:10:20 -0500, Lynn McGuire

Post by Juho Julkunen
says...

Post by Peter Trei
In some places, dead people are known to vote anyway.
pt

No, actually... ...they're not.
Please don't buy into the conspiracy theories.

How about a literary reference, on a literature newsgroup?

_Don of the Dead_
https://www.amazon.com/Don-Dead-Pepper-Martin-Mysteries/dp/0060821469/
Ordering hits from the grave ! Recommended.

And in the real world:
https://chicago.cbslocal.com/2016/10/27/2-investigators-chicago-voters-cast-ballots-from-beyond-the-grave/

What is "bring out your dead"? The cry of a Chicago ward-heeler on
election day.

Peter Trei

2020-04-08 18:24:56 UTC

Post by Paul S Person
On Fri, 3 Apr 2020 19:01:20 -0700, Alan Baker

Post by Alan Baker
Because some of his idiot followers...
...will follow his example.

And that's a particular problem, because ...

Herd immunity. They can infect other people besides themselves.

Reducing the population of red states slightly will not have any impact
on the election.

.....as most victims are in the blue cities in those red states....

Well no. Regardless of who dies there they'll still vote the same way
and still get the same number of electoral votes.

In some places, dead people are known to vote anyway.
pt

No, actually... ...they're not.
Please don't buy into the conspiracy theories.

I wasn't thinking of 2016, but of the Chicago Machine.
https://www.dnainfo.com/chicago/20161019/downtown/vote-rigged-elections-history-fraud-stolen-trump/

Pt

Alan Baker

2020-04-08 18:43:57 UTC

Post by Paul S Person
On Fri, 3 Apr 2020 19:01:20 -0700, Alan Baker

Post by Alan Baker
Because some of his idiot followers...
...will follow his example.

And that's a particular problem, because ...

Herd immunity. They can infect other people besides themselves.

Reducing the population of red states slightly will not have any impact
on the election.

.....as most victims are in the blue cities in those red states....

Well no. Regardless of who dies there they'll still vote the same way
and still get the same number of electoral votes.

In some places, dead people are known to vote anyway.
pt

No, actually... ...they're not.
Please don't buy into the conspiracy theories.

I wasn't thinking of 2016, but of the Chicago Machine.
https://www.dnainfo.com/chicago/20161019/downtown/vote-rigged-elections-history-fraud-stolen-trump/

Ah. I'd heard about corruption in Chicago politics, but only vaguely.

So it's "dead people WERE known to vote anyway".

David Johnston

2020-04-08 20:37:21 UTC

On Sun, 5 Apr 2020 17:01:05 -0700 (PDT), Quadibloc

Post by Paul S Person
On Fri, 3 Apr 2020 19:01:20 -0700, Alan Baker

Post by Alan Baker
Because some of his idiot followers...
...will follow his example.

And that's a particular problem, because ...

Herd immunity. They can infect other people besides themselves.

Reducing the population of red states slightly will not have any impact
on the election.

.....as most victims are in the blue cities in those red states....

Well no. Regardless of who dies there they'll still vote the same way
and still get the same number of electoral votes.

In some places, dead people are known to vote anyway.
pt

No, actually... ...they're not.
Please don't buy into the conspiracy theories.

I wasn't thinking of 2016, but of the Chicago Machine.
https://www.dnainfo.com/chicago/20161019/downtown/vote-rigged-elections-history-fraud-stolen-trump/

Ah. I'd heard about corruption in Chicago politics, but only vaguely.
So it's "dead people WERE known to vote anyway".

There are still a few cases, but apparently not in significant numbers.

Kevrob

2020-04-09 03:40:56 UTC

On Sun, 5 Apr 2020 17:01:05 -0700 (PDT), Quadibloc

Post by Paul S Person
On Fri, 3 Apr 2020 19:01:20 -0700, Alan Baker

Post by Alan Baker
Because some of his idiot followers...
...will follow his example.

And that's a particular problem, because ...

Herd immunity. They can infect other people besides themselves.

Reducing the population of red states slightly will not have any impact
on the election.

.....as most victims are in the blue cities in those red states....

Well no. Regardless of who dies there they'll still vote the same way
and still get the same number of electoral votes.

In some places, dead people are known to vote anyway.
pt

No, actually... ...they're not.
Please don't buy into the conspiracy theories.

I wasn't thinking of 2016, but of the Chicago Machine.
https://www.dnainfo.com/chicago/20161019/downtown/vote-rigged-elections-history-fraud-stolen-trump/

Ah. I'd heard about corruption in Chicago politics, but only vaguely.
So it's "dead people WERE known to vote anyway".

There are still a few cases, but apparently not in significant numbers.

I am shocked that in the 21st century, people would
actually want to disenfranchise our great Thanato-American
community! Vitalists ought to check their privilege!

Kevin R

William Hyde

2020-04-08 22:33:42 UTC

Post by Paul S Person
On Fri, 3 Apr 2020 19:01:20 -0700, Alan Baker

Post by Alan Baker
Because some of his idiot followers...
...will follow his example.

And that's a particular problem, because ...

Herd immunity. They can infect other people besides themselves.

Reducing the population of red states slightly will not have any impact
on the election.

.....as most victims are in the blue cities in those red states....

Well no. Regardless of who dies there they'll still vote the same way
and still get the same number of electoral votes.

In some places, dead people are known to vote anyway.
pt

No, actually... ...they're not.
Please don't buy into the conspiracy theories.

I wasn't thinking of 2016, but of the Chicago Machine.
https://www.dnainfo.com/chicago/20161019/downtown/vote-rigged-elections-history-fraud-stolen-trump/

In his autobiography Galbraith mentions that in elections in the 1930s Canadians from his part of Ontario were paid to vote in elections in Michigan. His family went Democratic.

In Robert Caro's biography of LBJ(*) the analysis of his first two senate elections was an eye-opener. The Hispanic turn-out was large, but no Hispanic people actually voted.

(*) You think people are irritated waiting for the last GOT book? Caro's been at this since 1986, is older than GRRM, is in his eighties and has only got to 1965!. My inner politics junkie is dying for a hit of that sweet, sweet, LBJ biography.

William Hyde

h***@gmail.com

2020-04-09 03:39:22 UTC

Post by William Hyde
(*) You think people are irritated waiting for the last GOT book? Caro's been at this since 1986, is older than GRRM, is in his eighties and has only got to 1965!. My inner politics junkie is dying for a hit of that sweet, sweet, LBJ biography.

Knuth's algorithms books...
The first editition of the first book came out in 68, book 4A is expected out soonish, 4B, 5,6,7, unknown.

Paul S Person

2020-04-09 17:35:48 UTC

Knuth's algorithms books...
The first editition of the first book came out in 68, book 4A is expected out soonish, 4B, 5,6,7, unknown.

I used to believe in them.

But I gave up after re-reading the first three in anticipation of
being able to continue on with the fourth.

Sometime in the 90s, IIRC.

--
"I begin to envy Petronius."
"I have envied him long since."

Kevrob

2020-04-09 03:44:37 UTC

Post by William Hyde

Post by Paul S Person
On Fri, 3 Apr 2020 19:01:20 -0700, Alan Baker

Post by Alan Baker
Because some of his idiot followers...
...will follow his example.

And that's a particular problem, because ...

Herd immunity. They can infect other people besides themselves.

Reducing the population of red states slightly will not have any impact
on the election.

.....as most victims are in the blue cities in those red states....

Well no. Regardless of who dies there they'll still vote the same way
and still get the same number of electoral votes.

In some places, dead people are known to vote anyway.
pt

No, actually... ...they're not.
Please don't buy into the conspiracy theories.

I wasn't thinking of 2016, but of the Chicago Machine.
https://www.dnainfo.com/chicago/20161019/downtown/vote-rigged-elections-history-fraud-stolen-trump/

In his autobiography Galbraith mentions that in elections in the 1930s Canadians from his part of Ontario were paid to vote in elections in Michigan. His family went Democratic.
In Robert Caro's biography of LBJ(*) the analysis of his first two senate elections was an eye-opener. The Hispanic turn-out was large, but no Hispanic people actually voted.
(*) You think people are irritated waiting for the last GOT book? Caro's been at this since 1986, is older than GRRM, is in his eighties and has only got to 1965!. My inner politics junkie is dying for a hit of that sweet, sweet, LBJ biography.

Caro has a new book out, but it's a memoir, not the next
LBJ doorstop.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Working_(Caro_book)

I haven't tried the Johnson bio, excerpts aside.
I did enjoy "The Power Broker," about Robert Moses.

Kevin R

William Hyde

2020-04-09 19:43:01 UTC

Post by Kevrob

Post by William Hyde

Post by Paul S Person
On Fri, 3 Apr 2020 19:01:20 -0700, Alan Baker

Post by Alan Baker
Because some of his idiot followers...
...will follow his example.

And that's a particular problem, because ...

Herd immunity. They can infect other people besides themselves.

Reducing the population of red states slightly will not have any impact
on the election.

.....as most victims are in the blue cities in those red states....

Well no. Regardless of who dies there they'll still vote the same way
and still get the same number of electoral votes.

In some places, dead people are known to vote anyway.
pt

No, actually... ...they're not.
Please don't buy into the conspiracy theories.

I wasn't thinking of 2016, but of the Chicago Machine.
https://www.dnainfo.com/chicago/20161019/downtown/vote-rigged-elections-history-fraud-stolen-trump/

In his autobiography Galbraith mentions that in elections in the 1930s Canadians from his part of Ontario were paid to vote in elections in Michigan. His family went Democratic.
In Robert Caro's biography of LBJ(*) the analysis of his first two senate elections was an eye-opener. The Hispanic turn-out was large, but no Hispanic people actually voted.
(*) You think people are irritated waiting for the last GOT book? Caro's been at this since 1986, is older than GRRM, is in his eighties and has only got to 1965!. My inner politics junkie is dying for a hit of that sweet, sweet, LBJ biography.

Caro has a new book out, but it's a memoir, not the next
LBJ doorstop.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Working_(Caro_book)
I haven't tried the Johnson bio, excerpts aside.
I did enjoy "The Power Broker," about Robert Moses.

Owing to some undiagnosed mental disorder. I've been a political biography junkie for most of my adult life. Mostly UK and European characters, but when I moved to the US I got started on your lot (and when I knew Owen Lattimore's niece I was able to borrow her cousin's massive biography of him).

(If anyone understands the last 50 pages of "The Education of Henry Adams" drop me a line. Fantastic book anyway, though.)

Not every volume of the LBJ series matches TPB, but all are good, or IMO, great. Recommended if you have the interest and time.

William Hyde

Robert Carnegie

2020-04-09 08:25:58 UTC

Post by William Hyde

Post by Paul S Person
On Fri, 3 Apr 2020 19:01:20 -0700, Alan Baker

Post by Alan Baker
Because some of his idiot followers...
...will follow his example.

And that's a particular problem, because ...

Herd immunity. They can infect other people besides themselves.

Reducing the population of red states slightly will not have any impact
on the election.

.....as most victims are in the blue cities in those red states....

Well no. Regardless of who dies there they'll still vote the same way
and still get the same number of electoral votes.

In some places, dead people are known to vote anyway.
pt

No, actually... ...they're not.
Please don't buy into the conspiracy theories.

I wasn't thinking of 2016, but of the Chicago Machine.
https://www.dnainfo.com/chicago/20161019/downtown/vote-rigged-elections-history-fraud-stolen-trump/

[*]

Paul S Person

2020-04-08 17:32:32 UTC

On Tue, 7 Apr 2020 20:19:37 -0700 (PDT), Peter Trei

Post by Paul S Person
On Fri, 3 Apr 2020 19:01:20 -0700, Alan Baker

Post by Alan Baker
Because some of his idiot followers...
...will follow his example.

And that's a particular problem, because ...

Herd immunity. They can infect other people besides themselves.

Reducing the population of red states slightly will not have any impact
on the election.

.....as most victims are in the blue cities in those red states....

Well no. Regardless of who dies there they'll still vote the same way
and still get the same number of electoral votes.

In some places, dead people are known to vote anyway.

But not in Southern States requiring 7 kinds of ID to make sure none
of "them" vote.

To many people watching.

--
"I begin to envy Petronius."
"I have envied him long since."

Magewolf

2020-04-06 20:29:28 UTC

Post by Paul S Person
On Fri, 3 Apr 2020 19:01:20 -0700, Alan Baker

Post by Alan Baker
Because some of his idiot followers...
...will follow his example.

And that's a particular problem, because ...

Herd immunity. They can infect other people besides themselves.

Reducing the population of red states slightly will not have any impact
on the election.

Killing off 20% of the over 60 Republican voters in Florida would flip
it Democratic. That would make it hard for any Republican to win the
Presidency.

Paul S Person

2020-04-07 17:15:51 UTC

Post by Paul S Person
On Fri, 3 Apr 2020 19:01:20 -0700, Alan Baker

Post by Alan Baker
Because some of his idiot followers...
...will follow his example.

And that's a particular problem, because ...

Herd immunity. They can infect other people besides themselves.

Reducing the population of red states slightly will not have any impact
on the election.

Killing off 20% of the over 60 Republican voters in Florida would flip
it Democratic. That would make it hard for any Republican to win the
Presidency.

20% is a /lot/ of people. Even if restricted to Boomers (and
near-Boomers, depending on where the lines are currently drawn).

Which is why, on humantarian grounds, I am opposed to it.

--
"I begin to envy Petronius."
"I have envied him long since."

Titus G

2020-04-08 04:17:26 UTC

Post by Paul S Person
On Fri, 3 Apr 2020 19:01:20 -0700, Alan Baker

Post by Alan Baker
Because some of his idiot followers...
...will follow his example.

And that's a particular problem, because ...

Herd immunity. They can infect other people besides themselves.

Reducing the population of red states slightly will not have any
impact on the election.

Killing off 20% of the over 60 Republican voters in Florida would flip
it Democratic. That would make it hard for any Republican to win the
Presidency.

It would be easy for any Republican to win the > Presidency if the only
option was Biden. And I know because I'm not an American like those
Canadians who poke their noses into US politics. Because Canadians know
more about the US than those that live there, then I must know even more
because I live further away. QED.

Paul S Person

2020-04-08 17:35:21 UTC

Post by Titus G

Post by Paul S Person
On Fri, 3 Apr 2020 19:01:20 -0700, Alan Baker

Post by Alan Baker
Because some of his idiot followers...
...will follow his example.

And that's a particular problem, because ...

Herd immunity. They can infect other people besides themselves.

Reducing the population of red states slightly will not have any
impact on the election.

Killing off 20% of the over 60 Republican voters in Florida would flip
it Democratic. That would make it hard for any Republican to win the
Presidency.

People just refuse to learn from history.

Most recent Democratic victories have occurred becauss the Republicans
/lost/.

Usually by messing up the economy. Publicly failing to lead in a
national emergency is one we haven't seen before, but I see no reason
to believe it won't have the same effect.

And when Republican's manage to actively lose an election, it doesn't
matter who the Dems run.

--
"I begin to envy Petronius."
"I have envied him long since."

Alan Baker

2020-03-30 22:20:21 UTC

Post by Alan Baker
<https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/>
More than 85,000 cases...
...and doubling about every three days.
Nearly 1,300 deaths...
...and doubling every three days.
'When you have 15 people, and the 15 within a couple of days is
going to be down to close to zero that’s a pretty good job we’ve done.'
And as previously stated, I don't trust the numbers out of China at all...
...but that doesn't change how appallingly bad the situation in the
US has been allowed to become by the current administration.

And another asshat chimes in.
1. Where's your proof that the Obama administration was in any way
derelict in its duties?

Alan, that is very, very rude of you to call Lynn an "asshat".
<

If the shoe fits...

<snip a whole bunch of so-called "support" you couldn't bother to post
proper links to>

Post by a425couple
Pretty nasty of Alan to call our elected President an "asshat".

I didn't call him that in the post to which you replied.

Post by a425couple
At least we elect our Head of State.

Irrelevant to the discussion at hand.

Post by a425couple
Pisser, that ex-Prince Harry and Meghan have decided they
would rather live in the USA than in BC.

Even more irrelevant.

You have 8.76 times our population...

...and 21.7 times as many cases of COVID-19...

...and 34.5 times as many deaths.

Think about that.

Paul S Person

2020-03-31 17:03:04 UTC

On Mon, 30 Mar 2020 15:20:21 -0700, Alan Baker

Post by Alan Baker
<https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/>
More than 85,000 cases...
...and doubling about every three days.
Nearly 1,300 deaths...
...and doubling every three days.
'When you have 15 people, and the 15 within a couple of days is
going to be down to close to zero thats a pretty good job weve done.'
And as previously stated, I don't trust the numbers out of China at all...
...but that doesn't change how appallingly bad the situation in the
US has been allowed to become by the current administration.

And another asshat chimes in.
1. Where's your proof that the Obama administration was in any way
derelict in its duties?

Alan, that is very, very rude of you to call Lynn an "asshat".
<

If the shoe fits...
<snip a whole bunch of so-called "support" you couldn't bother to post
proper links to>

Post by a425couple
Pretty nasty of Alan to call our elected President an "asshat".

I didn't call him that in the post to which you replied.

Post by a425couple
At least we elect our Head of State.

Irrelevant to the discussion at hand.

Post by a425couple
Pisser, that ex-Prince Harry and Meghan have decided they
would rather live in the USA than in BC.

Even more irrelevant.
You have 8.76 times our population...
...and 21.7 times as many cases of COVID-19...
...and 34.5 times as many deaths.
Think about that.

It's early days.

Wait about 10 more doublings.

--
"I begin to envy Petronius."
"I have envied him long since."

Alan Baker

2020-03-31 19:05:32 UTC

Post by Paul S Person
On Mon, 30 Mar 2020 15:20:21 -0700, Alan Baker

Post by Alan Baker
<https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/>
More than 85,000 cases...
...and doubling about every three days.
Nearly 1,300 deaths...
...and doubling every three days.
'When you have 15 people, and the 15 within a couple of days is
going to be down to close to zero that’s a pretty good job we’ve done.'
And as previously stated, I don't trust the numbers out of China at all...
...but that doesn't change how appallingly bad the situation in the
US has been allowed to become by the current administration.

And another asshat chimes in.
1. Where's your proof that the Obama administration was in any way
derelict in its duties?

Alan, that is very, very rude of you to call Lynn an "asshat".
<

If the shoe fits...
<snip a whole bunch of so-called "support" you couldn't bother to post
proper links to>

Post by a425couple
Pretty nasty of Alan to call our elected President an "asshat".

I didn't call him that in the post to which you replied.

Post by a425couple
At least we elect our Head of State.

Irrelevant to the discussion at hand.

Post by a425couple
Pisser, that ex-Prince Harry and Meghan have decided they
would rather live in the USA than in BC.

Even more irrelevant.
You have 8.76 times our population...
...and 21.7 times as many cases of COVID-19...
...and 34.5 times as many deaths.
Think about that.

It's early days.
Wait about 10 more doublings.

Our first case was January 15...

...5 days before yours.

Canada has a greater percentage of its population in larger urban
centres than the US, so if anything, we should have been more likely to
have greater spread of the virus.

But our cases are doubling at more than every 4 days and the US cases
are doubling at less than every 4 days.

We're both farther into the problem than the US, and our population
distribution should have made it a more difficult problem.

I'm not saying this to be smug.

I'm saying it to point out how important it was to react quickly.

Lynn McGuire

2020-03-30 17:29:55 UTC

Post by Alan Baker
<https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/>
More than 85,000 cases...
...and doubling about every three days.
Nearly 1,300 deaths...
...and doubling every three days.
'When you have 15 people, and the 15 within a couple of days is going
to be down to close to zero that’s a pretty good job we’ve done.'
And as previously stated, I don't trust the numbers out of China at all...
...but that doesn't change how appallingly bad the situation in the
US has been allowed to become by the current administration.

And another asshat chimes in.
1. Where's your proof that the Obama administration was in any way
derelict in its duties?
2. A vaccine for SARS[-1] will not necessarily work for COVID-19.
3. Where's your proof that the testing kits for SARS[-1] work for COVID-19?
4. Even if they do, that still doesn't prove that a vaccine for SARS[-1]
will be effective against COVID-19

Post by Lynn McGuire
BTW, the UK has a much higher death rate from SARS 2 than the USA
does, 18 deaths per million population versus 4 deaths per million
population. At the moment.

Indeed.
At the moment.
Let your asshat of a president open up the country by Easter, and you'll
have all the deaths he wants.

You know, you are really an unpleasant person.

Lynn

Alan Baker

2020-03-30 17:37:46 UTC

Post by Alan Baker
<https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/>
More than 85,000 cases...
...and doubling about every three days.
Nearly 1,300 deaths...
...and doubling every three days.
'When you have 15 people, and the 15 within a couple of days is
going to be down to close to zero that’s a pretty good job we’ve done.'
And as previously stated, I don't trust the numbers out of China at all...
...but that doesn't change how appallingly bad the situation in the
US has been allowed to become by the current administration.

And another asshat chimes in.
1. Where's your proof that the Obama administration was in any way
derelict in its duties?
2. A vaccine for SARS[-1] will not necessarily work for COVID-19.
3. Where's your proof that the testing kits for SARS[-1] work for COVID-19?
4. Even if they do, that still doesn't prove that a vaccine for
SARS[-1] will be effective against COVID-19

Post by Lynn McGuire
BTW, the UK has a much higher death rate from SARS 2 than the USA
does, 18 deaths per million population versus 4 deaths per million
population. At the moment.

Indeed.
At the moment.
Let your asshat of a president open up the country by Easter, and
you'll have all the deaths he wants.

You know, you are really an unpleasant person.

I'm unpleasant to those who've EARNED it.

o***@gmail.com

2020-03-31 22:24:49 UTC

Post by Alan Baker
<https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/>
More than 85,000 cases...
...and doubling about every three days.
Nearly 1,300 deaths...
...and doubling every three days.
'When you have 15 people, and the 15 within a couple of days is going
to be down to close to zero that’s a pretty good job we’ve done.'
And as previously stated, I don't trust the numbers out of China at all...
...but that doesn't change how appallingly bad the situation in the US
has been allowed to become by the current administration.

And another asshat chimes in.
1. Where's your proof that the Obama administration was in any way
derelict in its duties?
2. A vaccine for SARS[-1] will not necessarily work for COVID-19.
3. Where's your proof that the testing kits for SARS[-1] work for COVID-19?
4. Even if they do, that still doesn't prove that a vaccine for SARS[-1]
will be effective against COVID-19

Post by Lynn McGuire
BTW, the UK has a much higher death rate from SARS 2 than the USA does,
18 deaths per million population versus 4 deaths per million population.
At the moment.

Indeed.
At the moment.
Let your asshat of a president open up the country by Easter, and you'll
have all the deaths he wants.

Some may be forgiven for using CNN logic..........

h***@gmail.com

2020-03-30 02:35:35 UTC

If the Obama administration had bothered to finish the vaccine for SARS
1, we might not be in this mess.

SARS had a total of 8098 cases world wide, 8 confirmed cases in the USA
Under 800 deaths world wide

It was well controlled because it wasn't transmissible until people had clear symptoms

Post by Lynn McGuire
The testing kits for SARS 1 work for
SARS 2,

Got a source for that?

Post by Lynn McGuire
we might have been lucky enough that the vaccine would worked also.
https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-care/scientists-were-close-coronavirus-vaccine-years-ago-then-money-dried-n1150091
BTW, the UK has a much higher death rate from SARS 2 than the USA does,
18 deaths per million population versus 4 deaths per million population.
At the moment.

in the last couple of days the US has gotn from 2 deaths per million up to 8 deaths per million
It's too early to say for sure but the death rates for the last couple of days in the UK looks like their efforts to slow things might be having an impact now, the USA looks like it's still rising rapidly.
If that's so the USA will probably pass the UK by around the end of the week.

Paul S Person

2020-03-30 17:18:01 UTC

Post by Alan Baker
<https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/>
More than 85,000 cases...
...and doubling about every three days.
Nearly 1,300 deaths...
...and doubling every three days.
'When you have 15 people, and the 15 within a couple of days is going to
be down to close to zero thats a pretty good job weve done.'
And as previously stated, I don't trust the numbers out of China at all...
...but that doesn't change how appallingly bad the situation in the US
has been allowed to become by the current administration.

If the Obama administration had bothered to finish the vaccine for SARS
1, we might not be in this mess.

SARS had a total of 8098 cases world wide, 8 confirmed cases in the USA
Under 800 deaths world wide
It was well controlled because it wasn't transmissible until people had clear symptoms

Post by Lynn McGuire
The testing kits for SARS 1 work for
SARS 2,

Got a source for that?

Hey, that's what it /means/ to Make America Great Again.

--
"I begin to envy Petronius."
"I have envied him long since."

Paul S Person

2020-03-30 17:18:54 UTC

On Sun, 29 Mar 2020 15:21:41 -0500, Lynn McGuire

Post by Alan Baker
<https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/>
More than 85,000 cases...
...and doubling about every three days.
Nearly 1,300 deaths...
...and doubling every three days.
'When you have 15 people, and the 15 within a couple of days is going to
be down to close to zero thats a pretty good job weve done.'
And as previously stated, I don't trust the numbers out of China at all...
...but that doesn't change how appallingly bad the situation in the US
has been allowed to become by the current administration.

In 2016, which party was in control of Congress and so of the money?

Not the Dems, no, not the Dems.

Still wanna play the blame game? Didn't think so.

Post by Lynn McGuire
BTW, the UK has a much higher death rate from SARS 2 than the USA does,
18 deaths per million population versus 4 deaths per million population.
At the moment.
Lynn

--
"I begin to envy Petronius."
"I have envied him long since."

David Johnston

2020-04-01 04:49:27 UTC

Post by Alan Baker
<https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/>
More than 85,000 cases...
...and doubling about every three days.
Nearly 1,300 deaths...
...and doubling every three days.
'When you have 15 people, and the 15 within a couple of days is going
to be down to close to zero that’s a pretty good job we’ve done.'
And as previously stated, I don't trust the numbers out of China at all...
...but that doesn't change how appallingly bad the situation in the US
has been allowed to become by the current administration.

If the Obama administration had bothered to finish the vaccine for SARS
1, we might not be in this mess. The testing kits for SARS 1 work for
SARS 2, we might have been lucky enough that the vaccine would worked also.
https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-care/scientists-were-close-coronavirus-vaccine-years-ago-then-money-dried-n1150091
BTW, the UK has a much higher death rate from SARS 2 than the USA does,
18 deaths per million population versus 4 deaths per million population.
At the moment.
Lynn

Death rates are funny. Consider that if your number of new cases is
skyrocketiing the death rate will go down because the newly infected
haven't had time to die yet.

h***@gmail.com

2020-04-01 07:03:35 UTC

Post by Alan Baker
<https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/>
More than 85,000 cases...
...and doubling about every three days.
Nearly 1,300 deaths...
...and doubling every three days.
'When you have 15 people, and the 15 within a couple of days is going
to be down to close to zero that’s a pretty good job we’ve done.'
And as previously stated, I don't trust the numbers out of China at all...
...but that doesn't change how appallingly bad the situation in the US
has been allowed to become by the current administration.

If the Obama administration had bothered to finish the vaccine for SARS
1, we might not be in this mess. The testing kits for SARS 1 work for
SARS 2, we might have been lucky enough that the vaccine would worked also.
https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-care/scientists-were-close-coronavirus-vaccine-years-ago-then-money-dried-n1150091
BTW, the UK has a much higher death rate from SARS 2 than the USA does,
18 deaths per million population versus 4 deaths per million population.
At the moment.

Death rates are funny. Consider that if your number of new cases is
skyrocketiing the death rate will go down because the newly infected
haven't had time to die yet.

That's not affecting the death rate/head of population

It's also pointed out that's why you can't calculate the mortality by
deaths/total cases
You need deaths(t)/total cases(t-x) where x is the 'standard' time for a fatality.
The USA currently has 4055 deaths, 7,251 recovered and over 177,000 active cases

Chrysi Cat

2020-04-01 08:09:58 UTC

Post by Alan Baker
<https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/>
More than 85,000 cases...
...and doubling about every three days.
Nearly 1,300 deaths...
...and doubling every three days.
'When you have 15 people, and the 15 within a couple of days is going
to be down to close to zero that’s a pretty good job we’ve done.'
And as previously stated, I don't trust the numbers out of China at all...
...but that doesn't change how appallingly bad the situation in the US
has been allowed to become by the current administration.

If the Obama administration had bothered to finish the vaccine for SARS
1, we might not be in this mess. The testing kits for SARS 1 work for
SARS 2, we might have been lucky enough that the vaccine would worked also.
https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-care/scientists-were-close-coronavirus-vaccine-years-ago-then-money-dried-n1150091
BTW, the UK has a much higher death rate from SARS 2 than the USA does,
18 deaths per million population versus 4 deaths per million population.
At the moment.

Death rates are funny. Consider that if your number of new cases is
skyrocketiing the death rate will go down because the newly infected
haven't had time to die yet.

That's not affecting the death rate/head of population
It's also pointed out that's why you can't calculate the mortality by
deaths/total cases
You need deaths(t)/total cases(t-x) where x is the 'standard' time for a fatality.
The USA currently has 4055 deaths, 7,251 recovered and over 177,000 active cases

Compared to Canada, where 8 times as many are recovered as dead.

Maybe, just maybe, several US states are going about something in the
treatment stream VERY wrong?

--
Chrysi Cat
1/2 anthrocat, nearly 1/2 anthrofox, all magical
Transgoddess, quick to anger.
Call me Chrysi or call me Kat, I'll respond to either!

Peter Trei

2020-04-01 15:15:50 UTC

Post by Chrysi Cat

Post by Alan Baker
<https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/>
More than 85,000 cases...
...and doubling about every three days.
Nearly 1,300 deaths...
...and doubling every three days.
'When you have 15 people, and the 15 within a couple of days is going
to be down to close to zero that’s a pretty good job we’ve done.'
And as previously stated, I don't trust the numbers out of China at all...
...but that doesn't change how appallingly bad the situation in the US
has been allowed to become by the current administration.

If the Obama administration had bothered to finish the vaccine for SARS
1, we might not be in this mess. The testing kits for SARS 1 work for
SARS 2, we might have been lucky enough that the vaccine would worked also.
https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-care/scientists-were-close-coronavirus-vaccine-years-ago-then-money-dried-n1150091
BTW, the UK has a much higher death rate from SARS 2 than the USA does,
18 deaths per million population versus 4 deaths per million population.
At the moment.

Death rates are funny. Consider that if your number of new cases is
skyrocketiing the death rate will go down because the newly infected
haven't had time to die yet.

That's not affecting the death rate/head of population
It's also pointed out that's why you can't calculate the mortality by
deaths/total cases
You need deaths(t)/total cases(t-x) where x is the 'standard' time for a fatality.
The USA currently has 4055 deaths, 7,251 recovered and over 177,000 active cases

Compared to Canada, where 8 times as many are recovered as dead.
Maybe, just maybe, several US states are going about something in the
treatment stream VERY wrong?

More likely, a slow start to testing meant that in the US, early testing was restricted to sicker
people, while mild cases that recovered never entered into the statistics. If you weren't tested, you couldn't be included as having the disease.

Pt

Pt

Kevrob

2020-04-01 15:31:58 UTC

Post by Peter Trei
More likely, a slow start to testing meant that in the US, early
testing was restricted to sicker people, while mild cases that
recovered never entered into the statistics. If you weren't tested,
you couldn't be included as having the disease.

If and when a test for anti-bodies is developed, we might learn
how many infected folks were asymptomatic, or thought they had a
less dangerous complaints, and recovered without treatment. That
could be important data, down the road.

Kevin R

Peter Trei

2020-04-01 18:29:44 UTC

Post by Kevrob

Agreed. At the moment, any stat where the denominator is "number tested" is suspect, and liable for
revision.

J. Clarke

2020-04-01 21:30:41 UTC

Post by Kevrob

Back just before this all hit, I got something that knocked me flat
for about a week. I remember going to bed Thursday night and the next
coherent thing I remember is waking up Sunday morning. I can't help
but wondering if that was COVID-19.

Paul S Person

2020-04-01 16:32:12 UTC

On Wed, 1 Apr 2020 08:15:50 -0700 (PDT), Peter Trei

Post by Chrysi Cat

Post by Alan Baker
<https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/>
More than 85,000 cases...
...and doubling about every three days.
Nearly 1,300 deaths...
...and doubling every three days.
'When you have 15 people, and the 15 within a couple of days is going
to be down to close to zero thats a pretty good job weve done.'
And as previously stated, I don't trust the numbers out of China at all...
...but that doesn't change how appallingly bad the situation in the US
has been allowed to become by the current administration.

If the Obama administration had bothered to finish the vaccine for SARS
1, we might not be in this mess. The testing kits for SARS 1 work for
SARS 2, we might have been lucky enough that the vaccine would worked also.
https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-care/scientists-were-close-coronavirus-vaccine-years-ago-then-money-dried-n1150091
BTW, the UK has a much higher death rate from SARS 2 than the USA does,
18 deaths per million population versus 4 deaths per million population.
At the moment.

Death rates are funny. Consider that if your number of new cases is
skyrocketiing the death rate will go down because the newly infected
haven't had time to die yet.

That's not affecting the death rate/head of population
It's also pointed out that's why you can't calculate the mortality by
deaths/total cases
You need deaths(t)/total cases(t-x) where x is the 'standard' time for a fatality.
The USA currently has 4055 deaths, 7,251 recovered and over 177,000 active cases

Compared to Canada, where 8 times as many are recovered as dead.
Maybe, just maybe, several US states are going about something in the
treatment stream VERY wrong?

IIRC, it was initially restricted to people who had been in China
recently.

That was when we were still deluding ourselves with the belief that
this could be "controlled" by identifying infected persons, tracing
their contacts, and isolating them.

Of course, to some extent, it can be. Specifically, it can
(theoretically) be spread out so our medical industry (we don't
actually have a medical "system") can handle all the patients at any
given time. The Italian situation can, in theory, be avoided.

Whether it will be or not is another question.

--
"I begin to envy Petronius."
"I have envied him long since."

o***@gmail.com

2020-04-01 16:54:25 UTC