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Mejer store going into Geauga Lake's parking lot
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s***@aol.com
2015-12-10 04:23:52 UTC
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http://www.cleveland.com/west-geauga/index.ssf/2015/12/bainbridge_residents_give_wish.html#incart_2box

Nearby residents apparently have some requests to keep some park stuff around and other tributes to the park in the store.
skiguy777
2015-12-10 16:47:01 UTC
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Post by s***@aol.com
http://www.cleveland.com/west-geauga/index.ssf/2015/12/bainbridge_residents_give_wish.html#incart_2box
Nearby residents apparently have some requests to keep some park stuff around and other tributes to the park in the store.
A trip down memory lane when reading the comments section of that article, and the web page here.
http://www.themeparktourist.com/features/20140824/28153/lost-geauga-lake-how-worlds-largest-six-flags-disappeared

I remember those days, when Six Flags came out with their, "I drove right by Cedar Point to visit Six Flags" campaign. It actually caused a backlash, with people like me saying the opposite. And that actually happened, where I drove right past SFWoA to visit CP.

That was back in the days of the coaster wars. Good times, but SF installed inferior rides compared to CP. They had 700 acres, but there were no Intamin mega coasters (TERA TERA TERA). I remember visiting SFWoA, going on the rides, but was never blown away by them. And I never bothered walking over to the animal side of the park because it was too far away. I was on my way to CP instead.

Here I'll bring up the RCDB pages for each park and compare side by side.
SFWoA
http://rcdb.com/4586.htm
CP
http://rcdb.com/4529.htm

SFWoA
1998 - Thunderhawk, a Vekoma Inverted head banger.
1998 - Raging Wolf Bobs (Meh)
2000 - Villain (woodie)
2000 - Steel Venom (Long lines)
2001 - X-Flight (Long Lines, Head banger)

CP
1994 - Raptor
1996 - Mantis
2000 - Millennium Force
2002 - Wicked Twister
In addition to all the existing rides.

CP still blew SFWoA away in terms of rides. And the lines at SFWoA were long. I remember getting one ride on each coaster, then leaving the park to travel to CP. It's just like the article said, the park was 700 acres, the people came, but the infrastructure couldn't handle the crowds. The ride choices were not there to handle large crowds.

In terms of being remembered by me, Dominator at KD is near the top of my Steel Bucket list as a great floorless.

Cleveland couldn't support the park, especially with CP 1.5 hours away with hotels and better rides.

I still shake my heading thinking how there was 700 acres, yet no mega coasters. There was also the problem of a home community near the animal side, with people complaining.
s***@aol.com
2015-12-10 17:18:02 UTC
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Raging Wolf Bobs opened in 1988, not 1998.

Also
You list "long lines" as the issue with most rides at Geauga Lake. Cedar Point also has lines, and in most cases far worse than anything at GL (and I went pre six flags, six flags and post six flags).
ansley
2015-12-10 19:32:12 UTC
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It was just the opposite for us when we visited in early 2001, short lines and a very nice day at SFWoA and CP was crowded, but not overly. The thing is at that time SFWoA had a great collection of coasters, I think around 10 or 11. Some that were better, at least for me, to CP were:

Batman Knight Flight - Better than any looping coaster at CP
Villain - Clearly the best wood coaster in Ohio at that time, WAY better than most coasters at CP
Big Dipper - Again, better than both woodies at CP
Superman (forgot entire name) - Great intamin shuttle, loved the "grab" on the spike, nothing like it at CP at the time.
X-Flgiht - Again nothing like it at CP, and a really good flying coaster IMHO.
Most of the rest were ok or average, however the same could be said at CP. CP had about 5-6 good coasters at the time, and the rest were pretty much just there.
We also really enjoyed the old Sea World side, had a blast with the wild life side of the park. Overall as good as CP? No, not quite but they were on their way. The problem is that area could not support to mega parks and CP beat them easy on Customer Service and operations.

SF could not compete by going "on the cheap" in that market.

Ted
DJ Wiza
2015-12-10 20:01:50 UTC
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Post by s***@aol.com
Raging Wolf Bobs opened in 1988, not 1998.
Also
You list "long lines" as the issue with most rides at Geauga Lake. Cedar Point also has lines, and in most cases far worse than anything at GL (and I went pre six flags, six flags and post six flags).
I went to SFWoA in either 2002 or 2003. Lines were short, but moved slowly due to single-train operation. Lines that should have only been 5-15 minutes were 15-45 minutes. X-Flight wasn't even running that day.

The staff were slow, completely unenthusiastic, and sometimes rude.
skiguy777
2015-12-10 21:15:28 UTC
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Post by DJ Wiza
Post by s***@aol.com
Raging Wolf Bobs opened in 1988, not 1998.
Also
You list "long lines" as the issue with most rides at Geauga Lake. Cedar Point also has lines, and in most cases far worse than anything at GL (and I went pre six flags, six flags and post six flags).
I went to SFWoA in either 2002 or 2003. Lines were short, but moved slowly due to single-train operation. Lines that should have only been 5-15 minutes were 15-45 minutes. X-Flight wasn't even running that day.
The staff were slow, completely unenthusiastic, and sometimes rude.
That's what I was getting at by saying the lines were long. The ride choices were not high capacity, except for Batman Knight Flight.

X-Flight - Slow Loading Flyer. Many coaster fans had already done one of these by visiting CGA on the west coast (Stealth). The flyer at GL was eventually moved to KI and renamed Firehawk. I haven't been on it at this location. There's either a line or it's down. I really don't care about it either, because I went on the one at CGA (Stealth) which was moved to Carowinds (which I rode a couple years ago).

Steel Venom or Superman's Great Escape - Intamin Shuttle coaster. Once again, slow loading. It was the ride everyone ran to with the running of the bulls. If you didn't go here first thing in the morning, forget it. I've also since been on it when visiting Dorney Park.

Villian, slow loading because it was a woodie. Nice ride, but only one ride after waiting 30 minutes or so.

I don't see how that article says both parks were 700 acres, because it doesn't look like that much looking at the over head on Google maps. To me, it seemed like SFWoA was land locked. Parts of Batman Knight Flight were over the lake. They had no room to put in a B&M Hyper.

So basically, I remember going there, getting a ride on Superman Great Escape, Batman Knight Flight, a head banging ride on Thunderhawk, a ride on Villian, then the Raging Wolf Bobs had a long line. I had to come back on a 2nd visit with my season pass to get my ride on X-Flight. I remember going into the park, getting my ride on X-Flight, then continuing on to CP because the lines for everything else were too long and I didn't feel like waiting.

You have to remember, that in 2000, CP came out with Millennium Force, and it was huge. It made the rides over at SFWoA seem like kiddie stuff. Then in 2002, Wicket Twister appeared, with down time at first, but eventually they got it working. So why head over to SFWoA at that point unless you really liked Villian? There wasn't much to do in terms of thrill rides. A B&M Floorless, a woodie, head banging Vekoma inverted, Shuttle coaster, and a slow loading flyer. Meh.

Then there was the coaster wars, the ads going back and forth, and I think that's why CP closed the park in 2007 and did away with it. Not to mention, they had bought KI in 2006. I think this was CPs way of saying FU Six Flags, you lost. But at the same time, the park was in a weird location, being a good 2 hours from CP. You had to travel around Cleveland to reach it. So it's not like people visiting CP would go there as a side trip, unless they were destination travelers.

Why the people want a memory of GL at the new Meijers is beyond me, when it would only bring up bad memories.
s***@aol.com
2015-12-10 22:32:06 UTC
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I'm sure a lot of people have good memories of the park. Remember the park was around for what, close to 100 years before Premier/Six Flags and Cedar Fair got involved? I remember my first visit there wasn't until 1997, but had a great time there when it was a smaller/medium sized park, and that was after going to Americana, PKI, and CP all for the first time during that week. GL was the last thing we did, on the last day of that trip.
ansley
2015-12-11 03:53:18 UTC
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Post by skiguy777
X-Flight - Slow Loading Flyer. Many coaster fans had already done one of these by visiting CGA on the west coast (Stealth). The flyer at GL was eventually moved to KI and renamed Firehawk. I haven't been on it at this location. There's either a line or it's down. I really don't care about it either, because I went on the one at CGA (Stealth) which was moved to Carowinds (which I rode a couple years ago).
You probably should know this, but doesn't surprise me that you don't. The later 2 Vekoma Flyers, X-Flight and Batwing at SFA have quite a few differences then the orginal at CGA, now at Carowinds. They were re-profiled a bunch, are smoother and better. However, the big difference is the ending where the original has 2 corksrews on your back, and the later 2 have 2 inverted heartline-like spins. IMHO Batwing and X-Flight were MUCH better and smoother. I especially like Batwing, but Firehawk is ok as well. If you had actually taken the time to ride them then you'd know. Quit rushing around the parks riding the things you *think* you'll like and slow down, enjoy yourself, and try some other rides for a change.... I typically only ride 1-2 times each on coasters now, and my kids spend a lot of time riding flat rides they love, or I simply do what they want to do. It turns out that I usually have really great days now, but of course, we still hit all the best rides first! :-)

Ted
dr. m
2015-12-11 06:13:08 UTC
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I thought Batwing was pretty easily the best coaster at SFA.
Biff Bifferson
2015-12-11 06:35:01 UTC
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Post by dr. m
I thought Batwing was pretty easily the best coaster at SFA.
BRO...do you even Superman?
dr. m
2015-12-12 01:31:05 UTC
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When I say I find Superman ROS to be largely a boring, uninteresting ride, I don't mean compared to other hyper coasters. I mean I thought it was boring and uninteresting, period. It came in a distant third behind Wild One and Bat Wing.
ansley
2015-12-13 16:25:37 UTC
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Post by dr. m
When I say I find Superman ROS to be largely a boring, uninteresting ride, I don't mean compared to other hyper coasters. I mean I thought it was boring and uninteresting, period. It came in a distant third behind Wild One and Bat Wing.
Wow, we must have ridden different coasters. I've ridden a few hundred times, and espicailly at night it is top 5 steel coaster territory. The airtime is amazing, love the big drops in the back seat, and the overall speed an fun factor are way up there. It has everything the top steel hyper and gigas have, just slightly less, the main reason is down a few notches on my list. perplexed...

Ted
dr. m
2015-12-14 04:44:07 UTC
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The center section with the helices sucked the air out of the ride, I honestly don't remember being that impressed with the airtime (only rode it twice and this was years ago), and the location is just so goddamn ugly. I remember being so bored during the second helix that I was watching the hair of one of the girls in front of me blow around and contemplating how fast we must have been going. Honestly I probably didn't give it a fair shake, I'll have to give it another chance the next I visit the park which will be never.
ansley
2015-12-14 17:28:02 UTC
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Post by dr. m
The center section with the helices sucked the air out of the ride, I honestly don't remember being that impressed with the airtime (only rode it twice and this was years ago), and the location is just so goddamn ugly. I remember being so bored during the second helix that I was watching the hair of one of the girls in front of me blow around and contemplating how fast we must have been going. Honestly I probably didn't give it a fair shake, I'll have to give it another chance the next I visit the park which will be never.
Location Ugly? It has fields and some woods around it! I does have Batwing rothe right near the station, but there is a lot of green around, and Joker's Jinx to the left of the station. But other than that it runs out into a field surrounded by trees.
dr. m
2015-12-14 19:25:02 UTC
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That field is like the field that sits between the local strip mall and an electrical substation.
skiguy777
2015-12-15 16:52:05 UTC
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Post by dr. m
That field is like the field that sits between the local strip mall and an electrical substation.
I think it comes down to the overall experience of the park when comparing similar rides. In my Intamin category of my bucket list, I have
02 - Superman The Ride (SFNE)
06 - ROS (Darien Lake)
12 - S:ROS (SFA)

This is out of 15 Intamin coasters. I rode SFA once in the front seat, and that was enough. Didn't feel like waiting in line again because I wanted to keep moving through the park. I really wasn't enjoying the experience either, because the blacks were cussing, calling each other the "N" word, and talking in ebonics. I haven't been back to SFA since and think they should gut the park and move the rides elsewhere.

Whereas, at Darien Lake, I went on ROS 5 times, getting 3 exit re-rides and waiting through the queue a couple times. Darien Lake is a great park. They need to get rid of the Vekoma head banger (Mind Eraser). I will no longer ride those any more, along with the old school Arrow sit downs (Viper). Basically, they could put in an RMC like Kentucky Kingdom is doing, give Perdator the GCI treatment, remove Mind Eraser, Viper, and put in a Chance Rides coaster. Out with the old, in with the new. RMC and Chance Rides for the mid level parks trying to move up. B&M? Nope. Intamin? Looks like no one wants them to build any more coasters, sad.
t***@gmail.com
2015-12-15 17:22:48 UTC
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skiguy777:

In your intamin bucket list, you could hardly call
the New England Superman "similar" to the rides
of steel in that list.

Have you even RIDDEN New Englands or even
been near the thing?

sheesh... 15 years later and some folks still think
the New England Superman is just a 3rd copy of
the first two. smh!
s***@aol.com
2015-12-15 17:43:17 UTC
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Also- SFNE's has only been called "Superman: Ride Of Steel" and "Bizarro". It has never been called "Superman - the Ride".
t***@gmail.com
2015-12-15 18:48:06 UTC
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12:43 PM ***@aol.com wrote:
"Also- SFNE's has only been called "Superman: Ride Of Steel" and "Bizarro". It
has never been called "Superman - the Ride". "


WHERE do you guys get your information??? It's
right on the SFNE homepage next year it will be
called "Superman: The Ride"!

Although most would agree: the site's labeling it
as "new for 2016" is grossly misleading.

Overall, the quality of content of RRC has fallen
faster than Millennium("two ns!) Force in the last
15 years.
s***@aol.com
2015-12-15 19:47:58 UTC
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Ok, so it will be but it hasn't yet. How can you rate the new version of the ride if it doesn't exist yet? I will continue to list "Bizarro" on my track record until I actually ride Superman- The Ride.
t***@gmail.com
2015-12-15 22:17:50 UTC
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surfd wrote: "Ok, so it will be but it hasn't yet. How can you rate the new version of the ride if it doesn't exist yet? I will continue to list "Bizarro" on my track record until I actually ride Superman- The Ride. "

sigh...

Bear with me while I try to explain it as
best as I can:

Superman: Ride Of Steel > Bizarro >
Superman: The Ride are *all the same
thing*.

The conversion from Bizarro back to
S:TR will not be nearrly as involved
as was the conversion from S:ROS
to Bizerko(or whatever they called
it). The same rolling stock & cars
will be retained from Bizarro - with
new Superman livery on them,
and the original red on blue
track/structure will restored.
So, SAME RIDE as you might
remember from Bizarro.

What I cannot speak for is
the old Bizarro ground effects -
the head choppers, buildings,
and flames.

But it is.

the same.

ride.

Capeesh? ;)
ansley
2015-12-15 17:50:24 UTC
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Post by t***@gmail.com
In your intamin bucket list, you could hardly call
the New England Superman "similar" to the rides
of steel in that list.
Have you even RIDDEN New Englands or even
been near the thing?
sheesh... 15 years later and some folks still think
the New England Superman is just a 3rd copy of
the first two. smh!
They are similar, yes different layouts, but both designs are Intamin Hyper coasters and the hills have almost the same profiles. Agree, SROS/Bizarro at SFNE is a better ride but the other two are very good as well. They were designed and built around the same time and have the same feel.

Ted
skiguy777
2015-12-16 00:27:16 UTC
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Post by t***@gmail.com
In your intamin bucket list, you could hardly call
the New England Superman "similar" to the rides
of steel in that list.
Have you even RIDDEN New Englands or even
been near the thing?
sheesh... 15 years later and some folks still think
the New England Superman is just a 3rd copy of
the first two. smh!
Bucket list is here, updated.
http://www.nogodforme.com/USA_Top_Steel_Coaster_Bucket_List.htm

Yes, I've been on every right listed on the page except the 5 new coasters for 2016. The rides I haven't been on yet have an * next to them. That would be Lightning Rod, Storm Chaser, The Joker, Valravn, and Mako. I've been on 75 of 80 coasters, and the 5 are still under construction.

I updated my page and call the ride at SFNE Superman The Ride. Did you know that if you click on a coaster name on my page, it links to RCDB? That's how I make sure everything is up to date.

I've been working on completing the bucket list for years, and finally did it last year when I visited SFMM. I would always look at "The List" in the GTAs and want to ride all the coasters on it in the USA, so I did, and expanded my list to 80 steel coasters that are the best. This year I also created the Carnival Coaster list for the rides I don't care for.

Superman The Ride is the same thing, they're only changing the name, just like they did when they called it Bizarro. Big deal, it's the same ride, I've been on it. I even count RougaRou as the same coaster (Mantis), because the track is the same. But just for those who don't agree, I'll be visiting CP next year to ride it along with Valravn.
s***@aol.com
2015-12-16 00:36:27 UTC
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I understand that Superman- The Ride will be more or less SROS / Bizarro with/without sound effects, new paint job, etc. I wouldn't consider calling it Superman- The Ride in any of my rankings or track record until I actually ride that version. Just like I never claim to have ridden Time Machine or even been to Freestyle Music Park, but will say I've ridden Led Zeppelin and been to Hard Rock Park. I also won't say I've ridden Frozen at Epcot but I have ridden Maelstrom.
t***@gmail.com
2015-12-16 01:16:58 UTC
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7:36 ***@aol.com wrote:
"I understand that Superman- The Ride will be more or less SROS / Bizarro with/without sound effects, new paint job, etc. I wouldn't consider calling it Superman- The Ride in any of my rankings or track record until I actually ride that version. "


A little anal, aren't we?
milst1
2015-12-16 14:20:00 UTC
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Post by skiguy777
Post by dr. m
That field is like the field that sits between the local strip mall and an electrical substation.
I think it comes down to the overall experience of the park when comparing similar rides. In my Intamin category of my bucket list, I have
02 - Superman The Ride (SFNE)
06 - ROS (Darien Lake)
12 - S:ROS (SFA)
This is out of 15 Intamin coasters. I rode SFA once in the front seat, and >that was enough. Didn't feel like waiting in line again because I wanted to >keep moving through the park. I really wasn't enjoying the experience either, >because the blacks were cussing, calling each other the "N" word, and talking in >ebonics. I haven't been back to SFA since and think they should gut the park >and move the rides elsewhere.
Robert, instead of always going on ad nauseum about your insipid "Bucket List", maybe you can do a new "Blackit List" instead, where you rate the behavior of African-Americans at various amusement parks. It will help the rest of us stereotype an entire race based on the behaviors of a few teenagers out for a day of theme park fun.
skiguy777
2015-12-17 12:17:55 UTC
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Post by milst1
Post by skiguy777
Post by dr. m
That field is like the field that sits between the local strip mall and an electrical substation.
I think it comes down to the overall experience of the park when comparing similar rides. In my Intamin category of my bucket list, I have
02 - Superman The Ride (SFNE)
06 - ROS (Darien Lake)
12 - S:ROS (SFA)
This is out of 15 Intamin coasters. I rode SFA once in the front seat, and >that was enough. Didn't feel like waiting in line again because I wanted to >keep moving through the park. I really wasn't enjoying the experience either, >because the blacks were cussing, calling each other the "N" word, and talking in >ebonics. I haven't been back to SFA since and think they should gut the park >and move the rides elsewhere.
Robert, instead of always going on ad nauseum about your insipid "Bucket List", maybe you can do a new "Blackit List" instead, where you rate the behavior of African-Americans at various amusement parks. It will help the rest of us stereotype an entire race based on the behaviors of a few teenagers out for a day of theme park fun.
No problem.

There's a census map of the entire USA here.
http://projects.nytimes.com/census/2010/explorer

When I recently visited SFGam, I flew into Milwaukee and stayed north of Chicago. I had ideas of visiting that city to go up in the tower, but decided not too. I didn't feel like driving into Chicago after a busy day at the park. For those reading this, the South side of Chicago is not the place to go. Instead, I got a Malnati's pizza from a pick up stand 5 miles from the park, and drove to the La Quinta to the north.

When I visited SFoG, I flew into Atlanta, took the train and bus to SFoG, and flew out that night. I didn't stay in Atlanta, but when I did in the past, it was at a hotel next to SFoG, there are 3 of them.

Here's a nice thread on a message board explaining the true stereotypes.
http://www.tribalwar.com/forums/showthread.php?t=679072&page=5

Here are the IQ stats.
Jewish American = 113
Asian America = 106
White American = 103
Mexican American = 90
Mixed American = 89
Black American = 85
Black African = 70

Mixing blacks with whites doesn't help, the IQ stats only go up 4 points. This is why blacks can't get good jobs. They don't make it through college, and if they do, they're still too stupid in the real world. The IQ stats have happened over 20k years of evolution. There's no way to fix it with affirmative action. Blacks come from Africa (un-developed), Whites came from Europe (arts, music, science, technology).

Here's a nice video proving the "dindu nuffin" stereotype.


So basically, Atlanta and Chicago and SFA you have to look out. The rest of the parks seem to be ok. Same thing with the ski resorts, blacks do not go skiing period. In Park City Utah, I only saw one black person in the resorts area the entire time I was there.

There, are you happy? Of coarse the odds of something happening are .000001%, but when it does, you could be killed.

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Getting back to current news related to this thread, the newest rumor on Screamscape is that Kennywood is up for sale. This doesn't surprise me, because lately the park has been sucking. Only one train operating on Phantom's revenge. When I visited, the train broke after my ride. Lucky for me, I went on the 1st train out. The crew didn't seem to be in a rush to fix it. The park opens late at 11am, like they're doing everyone a favor. The only good news, is there's no other parks that are giving competition like what happened with GL, so shutting it completely down probably won't happen. But it wouldn't surprise me if it's sold. They really haven't added anything spectacular in terms of coasters recent. The launched coaster (Sky Rocket)is nice for the first part, but the 2nd part of it is nothing. That was put in back in 2010. So basically, we go all the way back to 2000 when they did Phantom's revenge conversion.
David H.--REMOVE "STOPSPAM" to reply
2015-12-17 18:27:28 UTC
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On Thu, 17 Dec 2015 04:17:55 -0800 (PST), skiguy777
Post by skiguy777
Post by milst1
Robert, instead of always going on ad nauseum about your insipid "Bucket List", maybe you can do a new "Blackit List" instead, where you rate the behavior of African-Americans at various amusement parks. It will help the rest of us stereotype an entire race based on the behaviors of a few teenagers out for a day of theme park fun.
No problem.
<Racist crap snipped>
Post by skiguy777
Here's a nice thread on a message board explaining the true stereotypes.
http://www.tribalwar.com/forums/showthread.php?t=679072&page=5
Here are the IQ stats.
Jewish American = 113
Asian America = 106
White American = 103
Mexican American = 90
Mixed American = 89
Black American = 85
Black African = 70
I always knew I was smarter than you! Thanks for the evidence!



"With the first link, a chain is forged. The first speech censured,
the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us
all irrevocably." -Capt. Jean-Luc Picard
"The Drumhead", _Star Trek: The Next Generation_
skiguy777
2015-12-17 20:52:47 UTC
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Post by David H.--REMOVE "STOPSPAM" to reply
<Racist crap snipped>
Saying something is racist is an opinion. In fact, saying racist is a code word for Anti-White. Watch this video and I'll back up that statement.

and the full documentary



Everything I posted was facts, backed up with research studies. There's nothing racist about it.

We can say the same thing about the Mexicans in Los Angeles. There's gangs near LAX, that's the part of town people need to stay away from (Inglewood) where they're building the new football stadium. Do you know who is fighting there? Blacks V Latins (Mexicans). The good news here, is most tourists don't travel in this area. They either go north to SFMM, or south to Disneyland, Knotts, and SWC.
t***@gmail.com
2015-12-18 04:09:57 UTC
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skiguy777:

Africans - and by extension African-Americans - have been
the most persecuted, enslaved, held back by subversive
means, in short, TREATED LIKE ANIMALS - of any race
in recorded history. And by whom? The most racist race
in human history: WHITES!

Is it any wonder so many of them have been under-performers
or under-achievers?
dr. m
2015-12-18 04:55:28 UTC
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Skiguy's place in Hell has already been reserved. He has an entire suite all to himself. There's no point in trying to talk him out of it now. He will die a hateful willfully ignorant sack of shit.
dr. m
2015-12-18 07:01:05 UTC
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That was a joke, of course. There is no God, there is no Hell. No cosmic judge, jury, or executioner, and skiguy's hateful words and actions will go unpunished. "Justice" is as illusory as your own free will, all of skiguy's actions are simply a result of everything that has happened in his life and in the world up until this specific moment in time. Our lives are a small part of an inconceivably large Rube Goldberg device, a series of predetermined events set off by the single gigantic dice roll known as the Big Bang.

But anyway, roller coasters.
skiguy777
2015-12-18 14:13:20 UTC
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Post by t***@gmail.com
Africans - and by extension African-Americans - have been
the most persecuted, enslaved, held back by subversive
means, in short, TREATED LIKE ANIMALS - of any race
in recorded history. And by whom? The most racist race
in human history: WHITES!
Is it any wonder so many of them have been under-performers
or under-achievers?
OMG, you're going to pull out the slave card? That was back in 1868.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery_in_the_United_States
If blacks didn't come here as slaves, they'd still be in Africa. Now, do you see anything great coming from Africa? How about hurricanes, internet scams, and aids, along with civil war. When the USA tried to help Africa with "We Are the World" they couldn't even deliver the bags of grain to the needy people, because there was civil war. Cargo planes had to dump the bags, which broke open upon hitting the ground. Is the USA causing the civil war in Africa? No.

Ok, so next you'll probably play the segregation card. Fine, it's right here and the USA is not the only one that did it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racial_segregation
Segregation has been finished in the USA, and the NWO along with the gubiment are trying to mix the races to eliminate the whites. What do you think caused the last economic depression? Giving blacks homes they couldn't afford. The gubiment forced the banks to make loans to people who didn't qualify. The bubble burst, homes were foreclosed, the banks were bailed out, so was Gubiment Motors, all while blaming the republicans and whites for not doing enough.

So let's move on to the root cause of all of this? Evolution.

Blacks - have a lower IQ, come from Africa, can't do well in school.
Muslims - are taught at a young age to hate America, breed to take over the world by population explosion. Follow the Quran. This goes back 200 years to the Barbary wars.
http://www.renewamerica.com/columns/fischer/090410
and
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Barbary_War
Muslims are designed to pilfer, take everything, kill, and it won't stop.

The solution to both of these is to train the young kids to do well in school, because they all have the same chance starting in grade school. Yet the blacks can't get the grades, don't make it through college. Whites aren't stopping them, evolution is. Muslims follow the Quran which tells them to kill those who don't believe in Allah. They come to the USA, fit in, go to college, then snap going on a terrorist rampage.

Of coarse, there are exceptions to the rule, a few get it, and appear on TV, such as Neil DeGrass Tyson. That's who blacks should look up too, but no, it's some thug rapper, or a basketball player. They have hundreds of programs designed to prop their race up. BET, beauty contests for blacks only, colleges, black caucus in the gubiment, a black president of the USA (who is really a Muslim) the list goes on and on, yet nothing changes. The race card keeps coming out blaming whites. Look at this Facebook page with a picture showing all the things blacks have.
https://www.facebook.com/RutgersWhiteStudentUnion/timeline
The picture is here.
https://www.facebook.com/RutgersWhiteStudentUnion/photos/a.397001877152756.1073741828.393868680799409/397001807152763/?type=3&theater


If blacks and muslims are so great, then they would do something good in their cities. Yet they come in, sponge off the gubiment, and demand more handouts (which makes them slaves). Their cities turn to shit as the whites flee.

All of this is talked about on radio shows, and Sunday morning talk shows, but it's always the whites fault. Let's face it, the races are different, the IQ stats prove it, and the facts are going to be put out there.
dr. m
2015-12-18 17:25:07 UTC
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No offense, but you don't know shit about evolution or science, and you're a fucking scumbag.

https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/looking-in-the-cultural-mirror/201109/the-main-reason-races-don-t-exist

Tell me about how the entire scientific commmunity is one huge liberal conspiracy and we're all going to float off into space because the earth is flat and gravity doesn't exist. Whatever it takes to keep you living in your sad, small, hateful little world.
skiguy777
2015-12-23 13:45:34 UTC
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Post by dr. m
No offense, but you don't know shit about evolution or science, and you're a fucking scumbag.
https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/looking-in-the-cultural-mirror/201109/the-main-reason-races-don-t-exist
Tell me about how the entire scientific commmunity is one huge liberal conspiracy and we're all going to float off into space because the earth is flat and gravity doesn't exist. Whatever it takes to keep you living in your sad, small, hateful little world.
Well, at least you posted some links to back up your view points. I've heard that argument that the races are equal since we all have the same DNA on the inside. We're all the same species, that being Human. That's where the, "Everyone is Equal" argument comes in. Yet there are major differences that we're not supposed to talk about because of PC (Political Correctness).

Let's use another example to prove my point, Dogs. They were domesticated from wolves 20k years ago. How did this happen? A mean big bad wolf, domesticated, and made to be man's best friend. Humans would toss their food scraps to the wolves, and over time the wolves submitted to the humans and became friends. Now move forward to our recent time with dog breeds, there's many, yet they can all be considered Dogs.

German Shepherds, Pit Bulls, Dobermans - What comes to mind? Mean attack dogs.
Labrador, Golden Retrievers, Collies - Now what do you think of? Hunting herding, nice, loyal. I have a lab, they're the best dog on the planet, like a human.

Now, if you have a baby, and it's going to be left near one of these dogs, would you choose a Pit Bull? If you do you're crazy. Pit Bulls may be nice, but they eventually snap and maul the face off a baby. Once they lock on, they don't let go until shot with a gun. If they get loose, and they're in a pack, they'll run through a neighborhood and attack an innocent dog for nothing.

But hey, they're all dogs. They're all nice. Yet Pit Bulls were banned in Miami Dade county, and people are not buying them. That breed will go away as people stop having them.

Do you see what I'm talking about here? All dogs, same species, yet there's differences.

Same thing with humans. We're all the same, everyone equal, yet there's differences. But when we try to talk about it, the white person is supposed to lose their job and be destroyed for bringing up the differences.

Blacks - IQ stats prove they are lower than Jews, Asians, and Whites. That mixing the races does not help. Crime stats prove they are violent.

Muslims - Are trained to hate America. Obama did an apology tour, nothing has changed. The best example to use here, is if someone put 50 grapes in front of you, and said 2 are poison and will kill you, would you eat any of the grapes? No, you wouldn't. But that's exactly what the American people are being told to do by our NWO gubiment. Take in all these Muslim people who hate American and everything will be ok. Uh, no, they can stay in Syria. In fact, most of them don't even want to come here.

It's not the job of the USA to save the entire planet, let every race come to the USA and pilfer, destroy, and change the country. They're different, they're brought up different, and they won't change. It's years of evolution and traditions. They're not assimilating, but wanting to change us.
dr. m
2015-12-24 01:29:44 UTC
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Differentiation in dogs is due to artificially controlled breeding. Nature takes much longer to do the same thing, which is why you don't see 2,000 different bizarre-looking breeds of wolves. And as the link I posted explains, not enough time has passed to see any kind of meaningful differentiation in humans.
dr. m
2015-12-18 17:29:04 UTC
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Oh hey while I'm at it, you also know nothing about history either.

http://www.sahistory.org.za/south-africa-1652-1806/history-slavery-and-early-colonisation-sa

I'm sure whites screwing shit up in Africa since 1652 has nothing to do with what's happened since. I must just be anti-white.
DJ Wiza
2015-12-18 18:28:27 UTC
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Post by skiguy777
Post by t***@gmail.com
Africans - and by extension African-Americans - have been
the most persecuted, enslaved, held back by subversive
means, in short, TREATED LIKE ANIMALS - of any race
in recorded history. And by whom? The most racist race
in human history: WHITES!
Is it any wonder so many of them have been under-performers
or under-achievers?
OMG, you're going to pull out the slave card? That was back in 1868.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery_in_the_United_States
If blacks didn't come here as slaves, they'd still be in Africa. Now, do you see anything great coming from Africa? How about hurricanes, internet scams, and aids, along with civil war. When the USA tried to help Africa with "We Are the World" they couldn't even deliver the bags of grain to the needy people, because there was civil war. Cargo planes had to dump the bags, which broke open upon hitting the ground. Is the USA causing the civil war in Africa? No.
Ok, so next you'll probably play the segregation card. Fine, it's right here and the USA is not the only one that did it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racial_segregation
Segregation has been finished in the USA, and the NWO along with the gubiment are trying to mix the races to eliminate the whites. What do you think caused the last economic depression? Giving blacks homes they couldn't afford. The gubiment forced the banks to make loans to people who didn't qualify. The bubble burst, homes were foreclosed, the banks were bailed out, so was Gubiment Motors, all while blaming the republicans and whites for not doing enough.
So let's move on to the root cause of all of this? Evolution.
Blacks - have a lower IQ, come from Africa, can't do well in school.
Muslims - are taught at a young age to hate America, breed to take over the world by population explosion. Follow the Quran. This goes back 200 years to the Barbary wars.
http://www.renewamerica.com/columns/fischer/090410
and
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Barbary_War
Muslims are designed to pilfer, take everything, kill, and it won't stop.
The solution to both of these is to train the young kids to do well in school, because they all have the same chance starting in grade school. Yet the blacks can't get the grades, don't make it through college. Whites aren't stopping them, evolution is. Muslims follow the Quran which tells them to kill those who don't believe in Allah. They come to the USA, fit in, go to college, then snap going on a terrorist rampage.
Of coarse, there are exceptions to the rule, a few get it, and appear on TV, such as Neil DeGrass Tyson. That's who blacks should look up too, but no, it's some thug rapper, or a basketball player. They have hundreds of programs designed to prop their race up. BET, beauty contests for blacks only, colleges, black caucus in the gubiment, a black president of the USA (who is really a Muslim) the list goes on and on, yet nothing changes. The race card keeps coming out blaming whites. Look at this Facebook page with a picture showing all the things blacks have.
https://www.facebook.com/RutgersWhiteStudentUnion/timeline
The picture is here.
https://www.facebook.com/RutgersWhiteStudentUnion/photos/a.397001877152756.1073741828.393868680799409/397001807152763/?type=3&theater
If blacks and muslims are so great, then they would do something good in their cities. Yet they come in, sponge off the gubiment, and demand more handouts (which makes them slaves). Their cities turn to shit as the whites flee.
All of this is talked about on radio shows, and Sunday morning talk shows, but it's always the whites fault. Let's face it, the races are different, the IQ stats prove it, and the facts are going to be put out there.
People still actually think Obama is a Muslim?

A man who drinks beer, eats bacon, is pro-choice, pro-gay, pro-women's rights, and shaves his beard?

You actually think he's a Muslim?

Forget all the other shit you're spewing, I can't see how you could possibly think he's a Muslim.
t***@gmail.com
2015-12-18 19:27:52 UTC
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DJ Wiza:

Skiguy is just one example of why I want to renounce my
U.S. citizenship.
David H.--REMOVE "STOPSPAM" to reply
2015-12-19 04:52:11 UTC
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On Fri, 18 Dec 2015 10:28:27 -0800 (PST), DJ Wiza
Post by DJ Wiza
People still actually think Obama is a Muslim?
A man who drinks beer, eats bacon, is pro-choice, pro-gay, pro-women's rights, and shaves his beard?
You actually think he's a Muslim?
Forget all the other shit you're spewing, I can't see how you could possibly think he's a Muslim.
That's the thing I find so ridiculous and frankly odd about racists. This
obsession that all the people they hate are the same. Which comes out most
in this weird obsessive conspiracy theory that Obama is secretly Muslim.

As if because they believe he's really Kenyan, that makes him Muslim. Never
mind that that would far more likely make him a Christian, because 82.5% of
the people of Kenya are Christian, and only 11.1% of them are Muslim. Why
insert logic into this?

You pointed out all the ways in which Obama has gone against so many of the
core Muslim beliefs. Yet, somehow, it must be this big conspiracy to cover
it up.

I mean, let's say, for the sake of argument, that he really was secretly a
Muslim, but didn't want people to know, because he'd never get elected. I
could see him going to Church as a cover.

But would he seriously appoint strong women -- like Hillary -- to
government roles? Would he push for LGBT equality? That simply makes ZERO
sense. He'd be hated by the very people they're claiming that he's a part
of.

Yet, they still insist on believing this.

Somehow, because Blacks are bad and Muslims are bad, they are obviously one
and the same. Unless they're secretly Jews, I guess. Well, at least us
Jews are smarter, according to the racists! ;-)

It's really, really bizarre.



"With the first link, a chain is forged. The first speech censured,
the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us
all irrevocably." -Capt. Jean-Luc Picard
"The Drumhead", _Star Trek: The Next Generation_
dr. m
2015-12-19 06:14:09 UTC
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Well, his middle name is Hussein, and both his father and stepfather were Muslim. So it's crazy, but it's also not JUST because he's black.

I think it speaks more to the extreme paranoia, this need for the most powerful, privileged, and protected society on earth to still feel threatened in some way. So the Muslims must be taking over, the gays must be taking over, the "anti-whites" must be taking over. They take these groups that in America have been historically marginilized and powerless and pretend they have more power than they do. Because in order for feelings of racism and prejudice to be sustained you have to feel as though you're legitimately being threatened in some way, or else you'd start to realize you're really just a big bully.
t***@gmail.com
2015-12-19 15:33:42 UTC
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dr. m:


Most rational folks read it as "Of the people, by the people,
for the people". A significant other segment read it as: "Of
the WASPs, by the WASPs, for the WASPs."


It's time for that segment to wake up and smell the shit -
it all smells the same - no matter one's color, gender, or
creed. ;)
Biff Bifferson
2015-12-20 00:06:33 UTC
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LMAO at all the people letting Skiguy push their buttons in this thread.
t***@gmail.com
2015-12-20 00:20:33 UTC
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7:06 PMBiff Bifferson wrote:
"LMAO at all the people letting Skiguy push their buttons in this thread. "

No one's buttons are being pushed, Biff. Triple-7
spewed ignorance here, and he needed to be
called out for it, so that lurkers or newcomers
know that such spewing such diatribe will not
go unnoticed.
Biff Bifferson
2015-12-20 06:42:24 UTC
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Post by t***@gmail.com
No one's buttons are being pushed, Biff. Triple-7
spewed ignorance here, and he needed to be
called out for it, so that lurkers or newcomers
know that such spewing such diatribe will not
go unnoticed.
He's been spewing it for 10-plus years. You're right, though, my bad, it's probably new for you.
GodsOnSafari
2015-12-23 14:16:34 UTC
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Post by t***@gmail.com
"LMAO at all the people letting Skiguy push their buttons in this thread. "
No one's buttons are being pushed, Biff. Triple-7
spewed ignorance here, and he needed to be
called out for it, so that lurkers or newcomers
know that such spewing such diatribe will not
go unnoticed.
A) Who is ever going to show up and be new here?

B) Everyone could have just clicked that the post is abusive and gotten it blocked from Google Groups, which, realistically, is how most probably see this NG. Instead he's gonna go on and on and on.
r***@gmail.com
2015-12-26 00:25:03 UTC
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Post by GodsOnSafari
A) Who is ever going to show up and be new here?
Megan?

-
www.themeparks.ie
dr. m
2015-12-26 02:59:31 UTC
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Hey I showed up and was new here not that long ago. Glad hitlerguy777 wasn't the first thing I saw or I may not have stayed long, and you all wouldn't be currently blessed with my glorious presence.
skiguy777
2016-01-07 03:19:32 UTC
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Post by dr. m
Hey I showed up and was new here not that long ago. Glad hitlerguy777 wasn't the first thing I saw or I may not have stayed long, and you all wouldn't be currently blessed with my glorious presence.
The other thing I just noticed looking at the census map here...
http://projects.nytimes.com/census/2010/explorer

Take a look at Cleveland and tell me what you see? The map is all blue, some parts 100%. Blue is the color for African Americans. How did SFWOA expect to support itself, when the people in the closest major city are all black? They couldn't, and I don't remember seeing many black people there when I visited the park. Except for SFA and SFoG, black people do not visit amusement parks. That's the hidden reason why SFWOA failed that no one can talk about. It wasn't a big enough destination like CP and the locals didn't support it. I don't even remember SFWOA being in the attendance stats back then, yet all the major rides had long lines because they were low capacity or only had one train running.
Robert
2016-01-07 15:36:27 UTC
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On Wednesday, January 6, 2016 at 10:19:34 PM UTC-5, skiguy777 wrote stuff:

But take a look at the demographics for the immediate suburbs around the park.
http://www.city-data.com/city/Aurora-Ohio.html

Rich, executive, middle class, and mostly white BTW.

t***@gmail.com
2015-12-14 14:44:19 UTC
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dr. m, Ansley:

You need to specify which Superman Rides
of Steel you are reviewing. The New England layout
makes the Darien Lake and SFA mirror clones look
like kiddie coasters in comparison!
s***@aol.com
2015-12-14 17:11:27 UTC
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I don't understand how anyone can say SROS (SFA) could be considered boring or uninteresting. Compared to other hypers, it's layout is less interesting, I'll give you that. But to say it's uninteresting in general. I think that's being overly dramatic. It's not like it's a Wacky Worm.
ansley
2015-12-14 17:26:38 UTC
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Post by t***@gmail.com
You need to specify which Superman Rides
of Steel you are reviewing. The New England layout
makes the Darien Lake and SFA mirror clones look
like kiddie coasters in comparison!
It is clear in the thread we are talking about SFA's.
s***@aol.com
2015-12-11 13:03:54 UTC
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Ted, I totally agree. I don't mind an ERT -like mini marathon occasionally on something really good that I like, but I'd much rather do a little of everything at a park nowadays, and even make seeing a lot of shows a priority. And of course, I also make sure I get in the "good" rides first.
skiguy777
2015-12-12 03:38:26 UTC
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Post by ansley
Post by skiguy777
X-Flight - Slow Loading Flyer. Many coaster fans had already done one of these by visiting CGA on the west coast (Stealth). The flyer at GL was eventually moved to KI and renamed Firehawk. I haven't been on it at this location. There's either a line or it's down. I really don't care about it either, because I went on the one at CGA (Stealth) which was moved to Carowinds (which I rode a couple years ago).
You probably should know this, but doesn't surprise me that you don't. The later 2 Vekoma Flyers, X-Flight and Batwing at SFA have quite a few differences then the orginal at CGA, now at Carowinds. They were re-profiled a bunch, are smoother and better. However, the big difference is the ending where the original has 2 corksrews on your back, and the later 2 have 2 inverted heartline-like spins. IMHO Batwing and X-Flight were MUCH better and smoother. I especially like Batwing, but Firehawk is ok as well. If you had actually taken the time to ride them then you'd know. Quit rushing around the parks riding the things you *think* you'll like and slow down, enjoy yourself, and try some other rides for a change.... I typically only ride 1-2 times each on coasters now, and my kids spend a lot of time riding flat rides they love, or I simply do what they want to do. It turns out that I usually have really great days now, but of course, we still hit all the best rides first! :-)
Ted
I have slowed down at some parks. I tried to ride Firehawk a couple times but it was down, so I went on FoF and continued on. I even did the Dinosaur walk because I had the season pass at the time. I've hung out at CP doing the arcade. It's just that I usually talk about the major rides. For example, the next time I visit CP, the only ride I really have to go on is Valravn since it's on the bucket list. I'll do the thrill ride tour, wait for Valravn (expect it to be about 30 minutes), then "hang out" and do other rides.

At Holiday World, I went out to my car, changed, came back, and did the water rides. When I changed back into my street cloths, I watched the shows to end the day.

Something interesting to talk about would be the Sea World parks. Their attendance is dropping, they're putting in family versions of major coasters. What if the Sea World parks are sold off again? They only have 6 parks and a couple of them could be shut down. The list is here.
http://rcdb.com/r.htm?ot=3&po=12499

Cheetah Hunt - An Intamin family coaster. "Feels" like it can do 124mph, because it can, but it only goes 60.

Tempesto - Are you kidding me? A carnival coaster in a major park.

Mako - Comparable to Goliath at SFoG. 200 feet tall, 73 mph. Not as many air time hills. Too bad they didn't build this a few years ago.

These rides are good, but nothing blows me away. This is similar to what happened at SFWoA. A good collection of rides, but nothing spectacular. What if we're seeing the end of the Sea World parks, as they're adding a new major coaster in Orlando? Not next year, but maybe in a couple years. What if Cedar Fair, Six Flags, or Universal buys them together or separately, closes down the Sea parks, and cuts back on the 2 remaining Busch Gardens parks?

Blue World at SWC will not be a show, but an exhibit. This can only continue until there are no more shows. What if Sea World says screw it, we're done?

What if Universal buys SWF, and makes it another gate for their simulator and HP stuff? Yes, I know they bought the land near the convention center. What if Cedar Fair buys BGW, moves the rides to other parks, then shuts it down like they did at SFWoA? What if Six Flags buys Sea World San Antonia and shuts it down so there's less competition for SFFT?

I know those ideas sound crazy, but if people had predicted Six Flags building up Ohio, only to have it all erased by Cedar Fair a few years later, you'd be called insane, but it happened.
David H.--REMOVE "STOPSPAM" to reply
2015-12-17 17:13:41 UTC
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On Fri, 11 Dec 2015 19:38:26 -0800 (PST), skiguy777
Post by skiguy777
Post by ansley
Post by skiguy777
X-Flight - Slow Loading Flyer. Many coaster fans had already done one of these by visiting CGA on the west coast (Stealth). The flyer at GL was eventually moved to KI and renamed Firehawk. I haven't been on it at this location. There's either a line or it's down. I really don't care about it either, because I went on the one at CGA (Stealth) which was moved to Carowinds (which I rode a couple years ago).
You probably should know this, but doesn't surprise me that you don't. The later 2 Vekoma Flyers, X-Flight and Batwing at SFA have quite a few differences then the orginal at CGA, now at Carowinds. They were re-profiled a bunch, are smoother and better. However, the big difference is the ending where the original has 2 corksrews on your back, and the later 2 have 2 inverted heartline-like spins. IMHO Batwing and X-Flight were MUCH better and smoother. I especially like Batwing, but Firehawk is ok as well. If you had actually taken the time to ride them then you'd know. Quit rushing around the parks riding the things you *think* you'll like and slow down, enjoy yourself, and try some other rides for a change.... I typically only ride 1-2 times each on coasters now, and my kids spend a lot of time riding flat rides they love, or I simply do what they want to do. It turns out that I usually have really great days now, but of course, we still hit all the best rides first! :-)
Ted
I have slowed down at some parks. I tried to ride Firehawk a couple times but it was down, so I went on FoF and continued on. I even did the Dinosaur walk because I had the season pass at the time. I've hung out at CP doing the arcade. It's just that I usually talk about the major rides. For example, the next time I visit CP, the only ride I really have to go on is Valravn since it's on the bucket list. I'll do the thrill ride tour, wait for Valravn (expect it to be about 30 minutes), then "hang out" and do other rides.
At Holiday World, I went out to my car, changed, came back, and did the water rides. When I changed back into my street cloths, I watched the shows to end the day.
Something interesting to talk about would be the Sea World parks. Their attendance is dropping, they're putting in family versions of major coasters. What if the Sea World parks are sold off again? They only have 6 parks and a couple of them could be shut down. The list is here.
http://rcdb.com/r.htm?ot=3&po=12499
Cheetah Hunt - An Intamin family coaster. "Feels" like it can do 124mph, because it can, but it only goes 60.
Tempesto - Are you kidding me? A carnival coaster in a major park.
Mako - Comparable to Goliath at SFoG. 200 feet tall, 73 mph. Not as many air time hills. Too bad they didn't build this a few years ago.
These rides are good, but nothing blows me away. This is similar to what happened at SFWoA. A good collection of rides, but nothing spectacular. What if we're seeing the end of the Sea World parks, as they're adding a new major coaster in Orlando? Not next year, but maybe in a couple years. What if Cedar Fair, Six Flags, or Universal buys them together or separately, closes down the Sea parks, and cuts back on the 2 remaining Busch Gardens parks?
Blue World at SWC will not be a show, but an exhibit. This can only continue until there are no more shows. What if Sea World says screw it, we're done?
What if Universal buys SWF, and makes it another gate for their simulator and HP stuff? Yes, I know they bought the land near the convention center. What if Cedar Fair buys BGW, moves the rides to other parks, then shuts it down like they did at SFWoA? What if Six Flags buys Sea World San Antonia and shuts it down so there's less competition for SFFT?
I know those ideas sound crazy, but if people had predicted Six Flags building up Ohio, only to have it all erased by Cedar Fair a few years later, you'd be called insane, but it happened.
Yes, of course, the major drop in attendance at SeaWorld is because of its
lack of new big coasters -- and you forgot to mention that they stopped
giving away free beer, something you usually don't miss a chance to
mention!

Of course, it has nothing to do with the massive documentary that has
millions questioning the ethics of their Orca program.

Yeah, that's it!

No one's going to buy SeaWorld in their current state with their Orcas.



"With the first link, a chain is forged. The first speech censured,
the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us
all irrevocably." -Capt. Jean-Luc Picard
"The Drumhead", _Star Trek: The Next Generation_
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