How NOT to teach the wife to ride

[Dan Carter]

Would you teach your kid how to shoot by handing him an M-16 with a full
clip and sending him out to the back yard? Probably not. How about
teaching your wife to ride by putting her, unhelmeted, on a R1 and
letting her ride around a cramped Mini Storage parking lot?

A Marietta woman learning to ride a motorcycle died Sunday
afternoon when she crashed the bike in a parking lot off
Franklin Road.

Marietta police Officer Brian Marshall said Winston Barkesdale
was teaching his wife, Tiffany, to ride in the parking lot of
the Mini Storage facility on Wylie Road, where he kept the 1999
Yamaha.

"It appears that after 30 minutes of riding alone, Mrs.
Barkesdale lost control of the motorcycle, accelerated into a
6-foot chain link fence, knocked down the fence and entered the
rear driveway of the old Roberds furniture store on Franklin
Road, where the motorcycle fell over," Marshall said.

Tiffany Barkesdale, 28, was not wearing a helmet, and suffered
serious head injuries, Marshall said. She was pronounced dead at
Wellstar Kennestone Hospital shortly after the 6:35 p.m. wreck.

from: http://www.ajc.com/metro/content/metro/cobb/1103/24motorcycle.html

This article http://www.11alive.com/news/news_article.aspx?storyid=39605
adds:

The victim crashed the 1999 Yamaha YZF-R1 through a chain link
fence and into the side of a vacant shopping center on Franklin
road.

[another viewer]

Post by Dan Carter
Would you teach your kid how to shoot by handing him an M-16 with a full
clip and sending him out to the back yard? Probably not. How about
teaching your wife to ride by putting her, unhelmeted, on a R1 and
letting her ride around a cramped Mini Storage parking lot?

maybe so, but think of all the money he saved by not having to pay for
MSF course and safety gear. smart guy that. and thrifty!

[Debra Keith]

Post by another viewer

Post by Dan Carter
Would you teach your kid how to shoot by handing him an M-16 with a full
clip and sending him out to the back yard? Probably not. How about
teaching your wife to ride by putting her, unhelmeted, on a R1 and
letting her ride around a cramped Mini Storage parking lot?

maybe so, but think of all the money he saved by not having to pay for
MSF course and safety gear. smart guy that. and thrifty!

i see this.. as natural selection.

one less dork weakening up the gene pool!

;)

[Paul Calman]

That reminds me, i had better get some insurance on the girlfriend before
she learns to ride next spring.

[XS11E]

Post by another viewer

How about teaching your wife to ride by putting her, unhelmeted,
on a R1 and letting her ride around a cramped Mini Storage
parking lot?

maybe so, but think of all the money he saved by not having to pay
for MSF course and safety gear. smart guy that. and thrifty!

Also saved the cost of the divorce lawyer and avoided any settlement,
he may have been a *very* smart guy, who knows?

[Mike S.]

Post by XS11E

Post by another viewer

How about teaching your wife to ride by putting her, unhelmeted,
on a R1 and letting her ride around a cramped Mini Storage
parking lot?

maybe so, but think of all the money he saved by not having to pay
for MSF course and safety gear. smart guy that. and thrifty!

Also saved the cost of the divorce lawyer and avoided any settlement,
he may have been a *very* smart guy, who knows?

Instant lack of wife, no alimony, no child support, no real investigation as
to why... What's not to like?

Maybe if more guys tried it, the cops'd get wise, but in onesys and twosys I
think we're OK.

Mike

[Igor]

Post by Mike S.
Instant lack of wife, no alimony, no child support, no real investigation as
to why... What's not to like?

You guys nailed it. Looks like Winston is not so dumb after all ;-)

Plus, he can probably sue the bike manufacturer, the fence maker, the
parking lot owner and the hospital.

[Tim Kreitz]

Post by another viewer
maybe so, but think of all the money he saved by not having to pay for
MSF course and safety gear. smart guy that. and thrifty!

Just goes to show you that some things are worth paying for.

It also goes to show that if you're not a properly trained and
certified riding instructor, you have no business giving anyone riding
lessons -- period.

Cheers,

Tim Kreitz
2003 ZX7R
2000 ZX6R
DoD #2184
http://www.timkreitz.com
--------------------------------------------------
All I want is a fast sportbike and absolute power.
--------------------------------------------------

[Henry H. Hansteen]

Post by Tim Kreitz
It also goes to show that if you're not a properly trained and
certified riding instructor, you have no business giving anyone
riding lessons -- period.

Would you apply that same line of reasoning to teaching
someone how to safely and properly operate farm machinery,
drive a car, fell and limb a tree, or properly use a gun?
If not, why do you single out riding motorcycles? Does your
opinion on riding lessons apply to dirt riding too, or just
street riding?
Henry

[Tim Kreitz]

Post by Henry H. Hansteen

Post by Tim Kreitz
It also goes to show that if you're not a properly trained and
certified riding instructor, you have no business giving anyone
riding lessons -- period.

Would you apply that same line of reasoning to teaching
someone how to safely and properly operate farm machinery,
drive a car, fell and limb a tree, or properly use a gun?
If not, why do you single out riding motorcycles? Does your
opinion on riding lessons apply to dirt riding too, or just
street riding?
Henry

Actually Henry, you bring up a good point for once.

I think it all comes down to the amount of risk you're accepting and
subsequently attempting to manage. Some higher-risk activities, after
all, don't have formal training avaiable at all.

Being a former member of law enforcement and an NRA member, I've had
lots of formal training in firearms safety, application, and tactics.
So, yes, I would definitely recommend that a firearms newby get proper
training.

As for farm equipment training, I don't know enough about the subject
to form an opinion. Unless, of course, you're referring to Harley
Davidson motorcycles with the term.

Heh-heh. :)

Cheers,

Tim Kreitz
2003 ZX7R
2000 ZX6R
DoD #2184
http://www.timkreitz.com
--------------------------------------------------
All I want is a fast sportbike and absolute power.
--------------------------------------------------

[Henry H. Hansteen]

Post by Tim Kreitz

Post by Henry H. Hansteen

Post by Tim Kreitz
It also goes to show that if you're not a properly trained and
certified riding instructor, you have no business giving anyone
riding lessons -- period.

Would you apply that same line of reasoning to teaching
someone how to safely and properly operate farm machinery,
drive a car, fell and limb a tree, or properly use a gun?
If not, why do you single out riding motorcycles? Does your
opinion on riding lessons apply to dirt riding too, or just
street riding?
Henry

Actually Henry, you bring up a good point for once.

They're all good, some are just better than others. ;-)

Post by Tim Kreitz
I think it all comes down to the amount of risk you're accepting and
subsequently attempting to manage. Some higher-risk activities, after
all, don't have formal training avaiable at all.

Not only that, but it seems to me that an intelligent, experienced
rider with no formal training or certification could make a better
teacher than a simple minded but certified instructor who just parrots
what he's been taught but leaves out some valuable, yet subtle points
that only intelligence, awareness, and experience can provide.
I started learning to ride on a mini bike with no front brake and a
2.5 hp B&S engine. Rode the snot out of it - even built a ramp to jump
it. From there I moved up to a Honda SL70, XR75, SL100, SL125, XL250,
then finally, my first street bike, a Honda CB750F. No formal training,
and no street wrecks in almost 30 years of riding. My brother and most of
my friends learned how to ride the same way I did, and my brother has
never had a street wreck, either. We learned how to ride horses, ski,
ride snow mobiles, use chain saws, shoot guns, and operate farm equipment
with no formal training, too. We just asked lots of questions and learned
by doing. He just bought dirt bikes with all the protective gear for his
9 and 10 year old daughters, and they're doing great without certified
instruction.
I guess my point is that while formal training is a great idea, if
it's not available, seeking the help and advice of intelligent, experienced
riders shouldn't be discouraged, nor should intelligent, experienced
riders be discouraged from helping their friends and families learn how
to ride. IMHO, of course. ;-)


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[Tim Morrow]

Post by Henry H. Hansteen
Not only that, but it seems to me that an intelligent, experienced
rider with no formal training or certification could make a better
teacher than a simple minded but certified instructor who just parrots
what he's been taught but leaves out some valuable, yet subtle points
that only intelligence, awareness, and experience can provide.
I started learning to ride on a mini bike with no front brake and a
2.5 hp B&S engine. Rode the snot out of it - even built a ramp to jump
it. From there I moved up to a Honda SL70, XR75, SL100, SL125, XL250,
then finally, my first street bike, a Honda CB750F. No formal training,
and no street wrecks in almost 30 years of riding. My brother and most of
my friends learned how to ride the same way I did, and my brother has
never had a street wreck, either. We learned how to ride horses, ski,
ride snow mobiles, use chain saws, shoot guns, and operate farm equipment
with no formal training, too. We just asked lots of questions and learned
by doing. He just bought dirt bikes with all the protective gear for his
9 and 10 year old daughters, and they're doing great without certified
instruction.
I guess my point is that while formal training is a great idea, if
it's not available, seeking the help and advice of intelligent, experienced
riders shouldn't be discouraged, nor should intelligent, experienced
riders be discouraged from helping their friends and families learn how
to ride. IMHO, of course. ;-)

See how snipping out all the off-topic political bullshit does nothing but
IMPROVE on one of the best contributions you have ever made to this group?

Encouragingly,

Your friend Tim

[Henry H. Hansteen]

Post by Tim Morrow

Post by Henry H. Hansteen
I guess my point is that while formal training is a great idea, if
it's not available, seeking the help and advice of intelligent, experienced
riders shouldn't be discouraged, nor should intelligent, experienced
riders be discouraged from helping their friends and families learn how
to ride. IMHO, of course. ;-)

See how snipping out all the off-topic political bullshit does nothing but
IMPROVE on one of the best contributions you have ever made to this group?

Damn it! I *knew* I left something out of that post!
While the intelligent, experienced rider is helping the newbie
learn to ride, he should also devote a fair amount of time to
sharing his knowledge regarding world events and government
policies - especially now. The failed and destructive policies
of the criminal, treasonous bu$h regime are so extreme, and so
far from the norm, that they are of utmost importance to *all*
of us. Silence or apathy in the face of such barbaric government
policies equates to failure as a Citizen and complicity in the
destruction of your Country.

Post by Tim Morrow
Encouragingly,
Your friend Tim

Don't miss the web sites below!
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Post by Henry H. Hansteen

Post by Tim Morrow

Post by Henry H. Hansteen
I guess my point is that while formal training is a great idea, if
it's not available, seeking the help and advice of intelligent, experienced
riders shouldn't be discouraged, nor should intelligent, experienced
riders be discouraged from helping their friends and families learn how
to ride. IMHO, of course. ;-)

See how snipping out all the off-topic political bullshit does nothing but
IMPROVE on one of the best contributions you have ever made to this group?

Damn it! I *knew* I left something out of that post!

Mea Culpa. One of these days I'll learn to leave well enough alone.

Tim

[Henry H. Hansteen]

Post by Tim Morrow

Post by Henry H. Hansteen
Damn it! I *knew* I left something out of that post!

Mea Culpa. One of these days I'll learn to leave well enough
alone.

What are you talking about?! You encouraged me to do
better and helped me to improve my post.

Post by Tim Morrow
Tim

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Post by Henry H. Hansteen
You encouraged me to do
better and helped me to improve my post.

My work here is done.

(Exits, Stage Left)

Tim
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[High Plains Thumper]

Post by Dan Carter
Would you teach your kid how to shoot by handing him an M-16
with a full clip and sending him out to the back yard?
Probably not. How about teaching your wife to ride by
putting her, unhelmeted, on a R1 and letting her ride around
a cramped Mini Storage parking lot?
A Marietta woman learning to ride a motorcycle died
Sunday afternoon when she crashed the bike in a parking
lot off Franklin Road.
Marietta police Officer Brian Marshall said Winston
Barkesdale was teaching his wife, Tiffany, to ride in
the parking lot of the Mini Storage facility on Wylie
Road, where he kept the 1999 Yamaha.
"It appears that after 30 minutes of riding alone, Mrs.
Barkesdale lost control of the motorcycle, accelerated
into a 6-foot chain link fence, knocked down the fence
and entered the rear driveway of the old Roberds
furniture store on Franklin Road, where the motorcycle
fell over," Marshall said.
Tiffany Barkesdale, 28, was not wearing a helmet, and
suffered serious head injuries, Marshall said. She was
pronounced dead at Wellstar Kennestone Hospital shortly
after the 6:35 p.m. wreck.
http://www.ajc.com/metro/content/metro/cobb/1103/24motorcycle
.html
This article
http://www.11alive.com/news/news_article.aspx?storyid=39605
The victim crashed the 1999 Yamaha YZF-R1 through a
chain link fence and into the side of a vacant shopping
center on Franklin road.

A 998 cc 150 hp motorcycle doesn't make a good beginner cycle. -
HPT

[JJ]

Much cheaper than a divorce....

If the bike was insured, the cost to him might even be zero....


JJ

[moto]

I wonder if the fence is covered under his bikes property damage
coverage?

Well, at least his thread was a switch from the regular political crap,
huh?





moto

green, yellow, red. green, yellow, red.
Is that what life is really all about?
Horns honking, and people yelling?

'95 750 Nighthawk
'95 Helix

[High Plains Thumper]

Post by moto
I wonder if the fence is covered under his bikes property
damage coverage?

If not, then may be his home owner's insurance.

[Oci-One Kanubi]

Post by Dan Carter
Would you teach your kid how to shoot by handing him an M-16 with a full
clip and sending him out to the back yard? Probably not. How about
teaching your wife to ride by putting her, unhelmeted, on a R1 and
letting her ride around a cramped Mini Storage parking lot?
A Marietta woman learning to ride a motorcycle died Sunday
afternoon when she crashed the bike in a parking lot off
Franklin Road.
Marietta police Officer Brian Marshall said Winston Barkesdale
was teaching his wife, Tiffany, to ride in the parking lot of
the Mini Storage facility on Wylie Road, where he kept the 1999
Yamaha.
"It appears that after 30 minutes of riding alone, Mrs.
Barkesdale lost control of the motorcycle, accelerated into a
6-foot chain link fence, knocked down the fence and entered the
rear driveway of the old Roberds furniture store on Franklin
Road, where the motorcycle fell over," Marshall said.
Tiffany Barkesdale, 28, was not wearing a helmet, and suffered
serious head injuries, Marshall said. She was pronounced dead at
Wellstar Kennestone Hospital shortly after the 6:35 p.m. wreck.
from: http://www.ajc.com/metro/content/metro/cobb/1103/24motorcycle.html
This article http://www.11alive.com/news/news_article.aspx?storyid=39605
The victim crashed the 1999 Yamaha YZF-R1 through a chain link
fence and into the side of a vacant shopping center on Franklin
road.

All the obvious things aside, it's almost always a mistake to teach
any loved one to ride, to drive, to canoe, to hang-glide, to surf...
to do anything difficult and dangerous.

It's a socio-dynamics kinda thing. You expect too much of yer loved
ones, and you know them well enough that yer not shy about showing yer
impatience, and you wind up with an angry student and an angry
teacher. One tends to be much more patient, polite, and even careful
with a stranger, so if you really love 'em, hire a stranger to teach
'em. A reputable stranger, of course.


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Post by Oci-One Kanubi
All the obvious things aside, it's almost always a mistake to teach
any loved one to ride, to drive, to canoe, to hang-glide, to surf...
to do anything difficult and dangerous.
It's a socio-dynamics kinda thing. You expect too much of yer loved
ones, and you know them well enough that yer not shy about showing yer
impatience, and you wind up with an angry student and an angry
teacher. One tends to be much more patient, polite, and even careful
with a stranger, so if you really love 'em, hire a stranger to teach
'em. A reputable stranger, of course.

And even if you succeed in teaching them to drive, you then get to find
out first hand why all those little quirks and favorite tricks in your
driving always drove your passengers nuts.

I still find myself asking the kids "Who taught you to drive like tha...
Oh yeah !!".

[Brennan]

Post by Dan Carter
Would you teach your kid how to shoot by handing him an M-16 with a full
clip and sending him out to the back yard? Probably not. How about
teaching your wife to ride by putting her, unhelmeted, on a R1 and
letting her ride around a cramped Mini Storage parking lot?

Since you asked, and I seem to have a bit of a case of logerrhea
today, I taught my son to shoot by taking him to the Kenmore range
with my Ruger Mark II target pistol, which includes a 15 minute range
safety briefing by the big Russian guy. The gun jammed once, and he
had to call the big Russian guy over to clear the chamber.

I (or rather his girl friend's uncle, with me present) taught him to
ride on a Honda 185 trail bike on dirt roads in the east Cascades. He
dropped it once and bent the brake lever, no big deal.

--
Al - '98 FLTRI
- '98 T409 EN
- '83 GR650
- '57 6T alt.possessive.its.has.no.apostrophe

[emore]

Post by Dan Carter
Would you teach your kid how to shoot by handing him an M-16 with a full
clip

M-16 rifles do not use clips.

and sending him out to the back yard? Probably not. How about

Post by Dan Carter
teaching your wife to ride by putting her, unhelmeted, on a R1

A well accepted trainer bike. I think MSF uses them at the Canton site.

and

Post by Dan Carter
letting her ride around a cramped Mini Storage parking lot?
A Marietta woman learning to ride a motorcycle died Sunday
afternoon when she crashed the bike in a parking lot off
Franklin Road.

In that area, she probably got robbed before her heart stopped pumping.

Post by Dan Carter
Marietta police Officer Brian Marshall said Winston Barkesdale
was teaching his wife, Tiffany, to ride in the parking lot of
the Mini Storage facility on Wylie Road, where he kept the 1999
Yamaha.
"It appears that after 30 minutes of riding alone, Mrs.
Barkesdale lost control of the motorcycle, accelerated into a
6-foot chain link fence, knocked down the fence and entered the
rear driveway of the old Roberds furniture store on Franklin
Road, where the motorcycle fell over," Marshall said.

If Roberds was still in biz, there may have been a car there to break
her fall.

Post by Dan Carter
Tiffany Barkesdale, 28, was not wearing a helmet, and suffered
serious head injuries, Marshall said.

Untrained "rider." No helmet. In a row of mini-warehouses. I'm having
trouble working up a lot of sympathy. I feel bad for her family, but
she seemed to be begging for it.

She was pronounced dead at

Post by Dan Carter
Wellstar Kennestone Hospital shortly after the 6:35 p.m. wreck.

Yup...DRT...Dead Right There. I hate that.

Post by Dan Carter
from: http://www.ajc.com/metro/content/metro/cobb/1103/24motorcycle.html
This article http://www.11alive.com/news/news_article.aspx?storyid=39605
The victim crashed the 1999 Yamaha YZF-R1 through a chain link
fence and into the side of a vacant shopping center on Franklin
road.

[Brian M. Wittling]

Post by emore

Post by Dan Carter
Would you teach your kid how to shoot by handing him an M-16 with a full
clip

M-16 rifles do not use clips.

but technically, isn't the "clip" part of the magazine?

not that I know shit about guns or anything... all I know is what Gunny
tells me on "Mail Call"

[Mike S.]

Post by Brian M. Wittling

Post by emore

Post by Dan Carter
Would you teach your kid how to shoot by handing him an M-16 with a full
clip

M-16 rifles do not use clips.

but technically, isn't the "clip" part of the magazine?
not that I know shit about guns or anything... all I know is what Gunny
tells me on "Mail Call"

Clips were used on M1s and M14s (among others), then they went to a magazine
system in the M16. Clips are strips of bullets on a metal holder that you
slid the bullets off of and into the rifle. Magazines are loose bullets
inside a metal container that slot up into the bottom of the receiver.

Ask a vet about M1 thumb...

Mike

Post by Brian M. Wittling
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[Michael]

Post by Mike S.

Post by Brian M. Wittling

Post by emore

Post by Dan Carter
Would you teach your kid how to shoot by handing him an M-16 with a

full

Post by Brian M. Wittling

Post by emore

Post by Dan Carter
clip

M-16 rifles do not use clips.

but technically, isn't the "clip" part of the magazine?
not that I know shit about guns or anything... all I know is what Gunny
tells me on "Mail Call"

Clips were used on M1s and M14s (among others), then they went to a magazine
system in the M16. Clips are strips of bullets on a metal holder that you
slid the bullets off of and into the rifle. Magazines are loose bullets
inside a metal container that slot up into the bottom of the receiver.

M14s had detachable mags, as did BARs, Thompsons, 1911s...

"metal container"? Glock, Calico, AUG...

"bottom of the receiver"? Sterling, Sten, Bren...

I'm just being a know-it-all PITA. :-)

-- Michael

[Mike S.]

Post by Michael

Post by Mike S.

Post by Brian M. Wittling

Post by emore

Post by Dan Carter
Would you teach your kid how to shoot by handing him an M-16 with a

full

Post by Brian M. Wittling

Post by emore

Post by Dan Carter
clip

M-16 rifles do not use clips.

but technically, isn't the "clip" part of the magazine?
not that I know shit about guns or anything... all I know is what Gunny
tells me on "Mail Call"

Clips were used on M1s and M14s (among others), then they went to a magazine
system in the M16. Clips are strips of bullets on a metal holder that you
slid the bullets off of and into the rifle. Magazines are loose bullets
inside a metal container that slot up into the bottom of the receiver.

M14s had detachable mags, as did BARs, Thompsons, 1911s...
"metal container"? Glock, Calico, AUG...
"bottom of the receiver"? Sterling, Sten, Bren...
I'm just being a know-it-all PITA. :-)
-- Michael

I guess that shows that you learn something every day... but if you're going
to bring up some obscure stuff that no one uses any more, you're going to
confuse everyone even more.

I know I didn't post the BEST definition, but people probably got the idea.

Mike

[Michael]

"Mike S." <***@coxDOTnet> wrote in message news:<Uh4xb.8590$***@fed1read06>...
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Post by Mike S.

Post by Michael
M14s had detachable mags, as did BARs, Thompsons, 1911s...
"metal container"? Glock, Calico, AUG...
"bottom of the receiver"? Sterling, Sten, Bren...
I'm just being a know-it-all PITA. :-)
-- Michael

I guess that shows that you learn something every day... but if you're going
to bring up some obscure stuff that no one uses any more, you're going to
confuse everyone even more.

A lot of the guns I mentioned are still in common use today.

Post by Mike S.
I know I didn't post the BEST definition, but people probably got the idea.

True. Like I said, I was just being a PITA.

-- Michael

[Reassembler]

Post by Mike S.

Post by Brian M. Wittling

Post by emore

Post by Dan Carter
Would you teach your kid how to shoot by handing him an M-16 with a

full

Post by Brian M. Wittling

Post by emore

Post by Dan Carter
clip

M-16 rifles do not use clips.

but technically, isn't the "clip" part of the magazine?
not that I know shit about guns or anything... all I know is what Gunny
tells me on "Mail Call"

Clips were used on M1s and M14s (among others), then they went to a magazine
system in the M16. Clips are strips of bullets on a metal holder that you
slid the bullets off of and into the rifle. Magazines are loose bullets
inside a metal container that slot up into the bottom of the receiver.
Ask a vet about M1 thumb...

Technically correct, but fussy. Most gunmen understand "clip" to mean
"magazine."

Reassembler

[Brennan]

Post by Brian M. Wittling

Post by Mike S.
Clips were used on M1s and M14s (among others), then they went to a

magazine

Post by Mike S.
system in the M16. Clips are strips of bullets on a metal holder that you
slid the bullets off of and into the rifle. Magazines are loose bullets
inside a metal container that slot up into the bottom of the receiver.
Ask a vet about M1 thumb...

Technically correct, but fussy. Most gunmen understand "clip" to mean
"magazine."

I had the (apparently erroneous) notion that a clip was a detachable
magazine that clips into the weapon, e.g. Ruger 10/22, as opposed to
an internal magazine, e.g. Remington .280. Not that it much matters.

--
Al - '98 FLTRI
- '98 T409 EN
- '83 GR650
- '57 6T alt.possessive.its.has.no.apostrophe

[emore]

Post by Brian M. Wittling

Post by Mike S.

Post by Brian M. Wittling

Post by emore

Post by Dan Carter
Would you teach your kid how to shoot by handing him an M-16 with a

full

Post by Brian M. Wittling

Post by emore

Post by Dan Carter
clip

M-16 rifles do not use clips.

but technically, isn't the "clip" part of the magazine?
not that I know shit about guns or anything... all I know is what Gunny
tells me on "Mail Call"

Clips were used on M1s and M14s (among others), then they went to a

magazine

Post by Mike S.
system in the M16. Clips are strips of bullets on a metal holder that you
slid the bullets off of and into the rifle. Magazines are loose bullets
inside a metal container that slot up into the bottom of the receiver.
Ask a vet about M1 thumb...

Technically correct, but fussy. Most gunmen understand "clip" to mean
"magazine."
Reassembler

I would have to say that most laymen use the two terms interchangeably.
Of the many serious shooters and other instructors that I know, not a
one would make that mistake. I'm not saying that they cringe at the
word and jump to correct the errant speaker; they just don't do it
themselves. On a side note, I haven't heard the term "gunmen" before,
either, so I'm obviously not up on everything. I wouldn't be able to
use it anyway, as a fair percentage of serious shooters these days are
females. I wouldn't dare disrespect any of them. ;-)

Emore

[Margaret M.]

Post by emore
themselves. On a side note, I haven't heard the term "gunmen" before,
either, so I'm obviously not up on everything. I wouldn't be able to
use it anyway, as a fair percentage of serious shooters these days are
females. I wouldn't dare disrespect any of them. ;-)

Smoooch!
Very well said.
Mag

PS: I don't care what it's called, clip, mag, etc..., as long as it is
full of those shiny things that make holes in stuff. :-) LOL Yes...I'm
blonde, and yes, I'm kidding around, but yes, I can likely outshoot
quite a few of the folks here.

[Reassembler]

Post by Margaret M.

Post by emore
themselves. On a side note, I haven't heard the term "gunmen" before,
either, so I'm obviously not up on everything. I wouldn't be able to
use it anyway, as a fair percentage of serious shooters these days are
females. I wouldn't dare disrespect any of them. ;-)

Smoooch!
Very well said.
Mag
PS: I don't care what it's called, clip, mag, etc..., as long as it is
full of those shiny things that make holes in stuff. :-) LOL Yes...I'm
blonde, and yes, I'm kidding around, but yes, I can likely outshoot
quite a few of the folks here.

No doubt you could outshoot me, I haven't drilled seriously in six
years. I've lost my desire. My reloading press is stored away, I'm too fat
for my gunbelt, and I no longer rotate the clips in my bedside gun every
month, nor do I replace my defense ammo every year. In short, I'm a sitting
duck.

Reassembler

[Margaret M.]

Post by Reassembler

Post by Margaret M.
PS: I don't care what it's called, clip, mag, etc..., as long as it is
full of those shiny things that make holes in stuff. :-) LOL

Yes...I'm

Post by Reassembler

Post by Margaret M.
blonde, and yes, I'm kidding around, but yes, I can likely outshoot
quite a few of the folks here.

No doubt you could outshoot me, I haven't drilled seriously in six
years. I've lost my desire. My reloading press is stored away, I'm too fat
for my gunbelt, and I no longer rotate the clips in my bedside gun every
month, nor do I replace my defense ammo every year. In short, I'm a sitting
duck.

Dude, you don't NEED to be able to shoot. You live in freakin' Hawaii!
<mumbling>
...lucky bastard
</mumbling>
Mag

[Reassembler]

Post by Margaret M.
Dude, you don't NEED to be able to shoot. You live in freakin' Hawaii!
<mumbling>
...lucky bastard
</mumbling>
Mag

That's true, but some guys still manage to roll snake eyes. Like the
fellow who went outside to see why his car alarm was going off, and got
knifed to death.....

Reassembler

[Ben Kaufman]

Post by Reassembler

Post by Margaret M.

Post by emore
themselves. On a side note, I haven't heard the term "gunmen" before,
either, so I'm obviously not up on everything. I wouldn't be able to
use it anyway, as a fair percentage of serious shooters these days are
females. I wouldn't dare disrespect any of them. ;-)

Smoooch!
Very well said.
Mag
PS: I don't care what it's called, clip, mag, etc..., as long as it is
full of those shiny things that make holes in stuff. :-) LOL Yes...I'm
blonde, and yes, I'm kidding around, but yes, I can likely outshoot
quite a few of the folks here.

No doubt you could outshoot me, I haven't drilled seriously in six
years. I've lost my desire. My reloading press is stored away, I'm too fat
for my gunbelt, and I no longer rotate the clips in my bedside gun every
month, nor do I replace my defense ammo every year. In short, I'm a sitting
duck.
Reassembler

Just put electrified wire around the windows and door. Come to think of it some
guy had booby traps around the house for self-protection and, apparently, forgot
about one, one day. End of his story.


Ben

http://autos.groups.yahoo.com/group/rockland_mc_riders

[emore]

Post by Margaret M.

Post by emore
themselves. On a side note, I haven't heard the term "gunmen" before,
either, so I'm obviously not up on everything. I wouldn't be able to
use it anyway, as a fair percentage of serious shooters these days are
females. I wouldn't dare disrespect any of them. ;-)

Smoooch!
Very well said.
Mag
PS: I don't care what it's called, clip, mag, etc..., as long as it is
full of those shiny things that make holes in stuff. :-) LOL Yes...I'm
blonde, and yes, I'm kidding around, but yes, I can likely outshoot
quite a few of the folks here.

No doubt. I have seen over and over that women make great shooters.
And that's regular wimmins, *you* are not a regular wimmin. ;-)

E

[Michael]

[snip]

Post by emore

Post by Reassembler
Technically correct, but fussy. Most gunmen understand "clip" to mean
"magazine."

[snip]

Post by emore
I would have to say that most laymen use the two terms interchangeably.

Blame TV and movies. It's here where folks learn that a hit from
a shotgun will throw the person 10 feet back through the air, and
that if you want to shoot a handgun the best way is to hold it
with the grip parallel to the ground...

<MotorcycleContent>
...and that SpeedTriples can't outrun a lardy SUV, and ZX12s
are great bikes for dirt roads...
</MotorcycleContent>

Post by emore
Of the many serious shooters and other instructors that I know, not a
one would make that mistake. I'm not saying that they cringe at the
word and jump to correct the errant speaker; they just don't do it
themselves.

Mainly because "clip" is short for "stripper clip". I did a quick
search, and here's a page that shows a mag being topped off using
a clip.

http://www.aaconsult.com/ammoreview/html/stripper_clips.html

[snip]

Post by emore
On a side note, I haven't heard the term "gunmen" before,

[snip]

Personally, I prefer the term "power plinker". :-)

-- Michael

[James Clark]

Post by Michael

Post by emore
Of the many serious shooters and other instructors that I know, not a
one would make that mistake. I'm not saying that they cringe at the
word and jump to correct the errant speaker; they just don't do it
themselves.

Mainly because "clip" is short for "stripper clip". I did a quick
search, and here's a page that shows a mag being topped off using
a clip.

Then how do you explain the M1 Garand clip?

Post by Michael
http://www.aaconsult.com/ammoreview/html/stripper_clips.html

[Michael]

Post by James Clark

Post by Michael

Post by emore
Of the many serious shooters and other instructors that I know, not a
one would make that mistake. I'm not saying that they cringe at the
word and jump to correct the errant speaker; they just don't do it
themselves.

Mainly because "clip" is short for "stripper clip". I did a quick
search, and here's a page that shows a mag being topped off using
a clip.

Then how do you explain the M1 Garand clip?

The M1's enbloc clip is the exception to the rule. There are others
of course, but not many. The Hotchkiss MG and derivatives are the first
to come to mind...

-- Michael

[Brennan]

Post by Michael
Mainly because "clip" is short for "stripper clip". I did a quick
search, and here's a page that shows a mag being topped off using
a clip.
http://www.aaconsult.com/ammoreview/html/stripper_clips.html

Hey! I've used that! Brings back old memories of plinking in the
plains of San Antonio.

--
Al - '98 FLTRI
- '98 T409 EN
- '83 GR650
- '57 6T alt.possessive.its.has.no.apostrophe

[James Clark]

Post by emore
I haven't heard the term "gunmen" before

Next you'll tell us you've never heard "wheelman", either.

Obviously not a fan of Edward G. Robinson . . .

[emore]

Post by James Clark

Post by emore
I haven't heard the term "gunmen" before

Next you'll tell us you've never heard "wheelman", either.
Obviously not a fan of Edward G. Robinson . . .

Obviously. I hadda kack my last wheelman, sheee? He was a rat, sheee?

[emore]

Post by Brian M. Wittling

Post by emore

Post by Dan Carter
Would you teach your kid how to shoot by handing him an M-16 with a full
clip

M-16 rifles do not use clips.

but technically, isn't the "clip" part of the magazine?
not that I know shit about guns or anything... all I know is what Gunny
tells me on "Mail Call"

The thing to remember is that a clip has no moving parts. It seems that
instructors nationwide went hardcore on that definition almost overnight.

E

[James Clark]

Post by emore
The thing to remember is that a clip has no moving parts. It seems that
instructors nationwide went hardcore on that definition almost overnight.

But after firing the 8th round, the M1 clip *becomes* a moving part.

[Alan Moore]

Post by Dan Carter
Would you teach your kid how to shoot by handing him an M-16 with a full
clip and sending him out to the back yard? Probably not. How about
teaching your wife to ride by putting her, unhelmeted, on a R1 and
letting her ride around a cramped Mini Storage parking lot?
A Marietta woman learning to ride a motorcycle died Sunday
afternoon when she crashed the bike in a parking lot off
Franklin Road.

<snip>

Hmm. The Denizen's Divorce. Too bad my ex wasn't interested in
motorcycling...

Al Moore
DoD 734

[Margaret M.]

Post by Alan Moore

Post by Dan Carter
A Marietta woman learning to ride a motorcycle died Sunday
afternoon when she crashed the bike in a parking lot off
Franklin Road.

Hmm. The Denizen's Divorce. Too bad my ex wasn't interested in
motorcycling...

*snort* gotta quit reading this group while consuming beverage.
Mag

[Alan Moore]

On Thu, 27 Nov 2003 05:47:45 GMT, "Margaret M."

Post by Margaret M.

Post by Alan Moore

Post by Dan Carter
A Marietta woman learning to ride a motorcycle died Sunday
afternoon when she crashed the bike in a parking lot off
Franklin Road.

Hmm. The Denizen's Divorce. Too bad my ex wasn't interested in
motorcycling...

*snort* gotta quit reading this group while consuming beverage.

A full face helmet when doing anything related to motorcycling should
provide adequate protection. I presume Reeky has some relationship to
motorcycling...

Al Moore
DoD 734

[Margaret M.]

Post by Alan Moore

Post by Margaret M.
*snort* gotta quit reading this group while consuming beverage.

A full face helmet when doing anything related to motorcycling should
provide adequate protection. I presume Reeky has some relationship to
motorcycling...

however vague... :-)
Mag

[Paul Calman]

Post by Alan Moore
A full face helmet when doing anything related to motorcycling should
provide adequate protection. I presume Reeky has some relationship to
motorcycling...

A helmet would help with the 'slings', but i'm not sure about the 'arrows'.
-
Paul Calman, Hathaway Pines, California