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Evolution as fact, theory,, and path.
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Cloud Hobbit
2021-05-31 21:00:25 UTC
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Even more generally, terms relating to the process and products of science itself, such as “theory” and “law”, are almost diametrically opposite in scientific vs vernacular settings. This has been a source of both honest confusion and intentional obfuscation in discussions of science, especially with regard to evolution—which has, with the full thrust of equivocation, been misleadingly labeled as “just a theory” by opponents for decades. The intent of this article is to clarify the general meaning of some central concepts in science and the terms used to describe them, and to differentiate these from the very different definitions of the same words in common usage. The specific application of these terms, as defined in science, to the topic of evolution will be discussed in some detail.

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More specifically, if an observation does not conform to the expectations of a scientific law, then either (1) the observation was illusory or interpreted incorrectly, (2) the observed event took place outside the specified conditions to which the law applies, or (far less likely), (3) the law is inaccurately formulated. A prime example is provided by the chronically misunderstood Second Law of Thermodynamics, which states that “the entropy of a closed system not in equilibrium will tend to increase over time, approaching a maximum value at equilibrium.” In this case, the conditions are very clearly specified: if there is no external source of energy (“a closed system”), then there will be a net increase in disorder until the system reaches equilibrium. Local increases in order are not precluded (ornate snowflakes still form from water vapor), and of course, this does not apply to living things, which draw energy from their environments (and ultimately from the sun), and hence, represent open systems. Readers of this article establish this latter claim conclusively, having passed from a simple zygote to a complex organism composed of trillions of specialized cells. If the Second Law of Thermodynamics implied that all natural increases in order were impossible, then it would be incorrect. It does not and (so far as we know) is not. The broader point is that invoking the Second Law of Thermodynamics as an argument against evolution reveals a misunderstanding of both the scope of this particular law a...


There are no gods unless we create them.
Bob Duncan
2021-05-31 22:08:39 UTC
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https://evolution-outreach.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1007/s12052-007-0001-z
You will believe what you are predestined to believe. It doesn't really
matter to those of us who know that you have no choice. You must believe
what is false. That is how your everlasting punishment begins.
2 Thessalonians 2:11-12
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There are no gods unless we create them.
There is only One Un-Created God, the Father of the Lord Jesus Christ,
Who thought it best to leave you the way you were when you were born,
maliciously corrupt, and fitting for eternal damnation and punishment.
Romans 1:28
Cloud Hobbit
2021-05-31 22:20:13 UTC
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You will believe what you are predestined to believe. It doesn't really
matter to those of us who know that you have no choice. You must believe
what is false. That is how your everlasting punishment begins.
In your unproven opinion.

I'm
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2 Thessalonians 2:11-12
Post by Cloud Hobbit
There are no gods unless we create them.
There is only One Un-Created God, the Father of the Lord Jesus Christ,
Who thought it best to leave you the way you were when you were born,
maliciously corrupt, and fitting for eternal damnation and punishment.
Romans 1:28
Tales from a book of contradictions, folk tales, and other
assorted sources are not evidence.


There are no gods unless we create them.
Mitch Raemsch
2021-05-31 22:28:05 UTC
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https://evolution-outreach.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1007/s12052-007-0001-z
You will believe what you are predestined to believe. It doesn't really
matter to those of us who know that you have no choice. You must believe
what is false. That is how your everlasting punishment begins.
In your unproven opinion.
I'm
Post by Bob Duncan
2 Thessalonians 2:11-12
Post by Cloud Hobbit
There are no gods unless we create them.
There is only One Un-Created God, the Father of the Lord Jesus Christ,
Who thought it best to leave you the way you were when you were born,
maliciously corrupt, and fitting for eternal damnation and punishment.
Romans 1:28
Tales from a book of contradictions, folk tales, and other
assorted sources are not evidence.
There are no gods unless we create them.
The real God did not have to create Himself...
We are the created instead. God is God.

Mitchell Raemsch
Cloud Hobbit
2021-05-31 23:13:46 UTC
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https://evolution-outreach.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1007/s12052-007-0001-z
You will believe what you are predestined to believe. It doesn't really
matter to those of us who know that you have no choice. You must believe
what is false. That is how your everlasting punishment begins.
In your unproven opinion.
I'm
Post by Bob Duncan
2 Thessalonians 2:11-12
Post by Cloud Hobbit
There are no gods unless we create them.
There is only One Un-Created God, the Father of the Lord Jesus Christ,
Who thought it best to leave you the way you were when you were born,
maliciously corrupt, and fitting for eternal damnation and punishment.
Romans 1:28
Tales from a book of contradictions, folk tales, and other
assorted sources are not evidence.
There are no gods unless we create them.
The real God did not have to create Himself...
We are the created instead. God is God.
Mitchell Raemsch
If God created us in His image, why aren't we invisible?


There are no Godsunless we create them.
Bob Duncan
2021-05-31 22:50:02 UTC
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https://evolution-outreach.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1007/s12052-007-0001-z
You will believe what you are predestined to believe. It doesn't really
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matter to those of us who know that you have no choice. You must
believe what is false. That is how your everlasting punishment
begins.
In your unproven opinion.
It's only unproven to those like you, the non-elect. You'll see.
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I'm
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2 Thessalonians 2:11-12
Post by Cloud Hobbit
There are no gods unless we create them.
There is only One Un-Created God, the Father of the Lord Jesus
Christ, Who thought it best to leave you the way you were when you
were born, maliciously corrupt, and fitting for eternal damnation
and punishment. Romans 1:28
Tales from a book of contradictions, folk tales, and other> assorted
sources are not evidence.
It's alright of you don't, or can't, believe it. No one is trying to change
your mind. Only God can change your mind, and He obviously doesn't
want to. So, you're being kept from believing it.

Just as you're being kept from believing all of the above.

I'm only saying this for the benefit of the anonymous lurkers who are here
for only a short time.
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There are no gods unless we create them.
That has been a known fact for millennia.

But there is only one un-created God, the Father of the Lord Jesus Christ.
Cloud Hobbit
2021-05-31 23:18:58 UTC
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You will believe what you are predestined to believe. It doesn't really
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matter to those of us who know that you have no choice. You must
believe what is false. That is how your everlasting punishment
begins.
In your unproven opinion.
It's only unproven to those like you, the non-elect. You'll see.
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I'm
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2 Thessalonians 2:11-12
Post by Cloud Hobbit
There are no gods unless we create them.
There is only One Un-Created God, the Father of the Lord Jesus
Christ, Who thought it best to leave you the way you were when you
were born, maliciously corrupt, and fitting for eternal damnation
and punishment. Romans 1:28
Tales from a book of contradictions, folk tales, and other> assorted
sources are not evidence.
It's alright of you don't, or can't, believe it. No one is trying to change
your mind. Only God can change your mind, and He obviously doesn't
want to. So, you're being kept from believing it.
Just as you're being kept from believing all of the above.
I'm only saying this for the benefit of the anonymous lurkers who are here
for only a short time.
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There are no gods unless we create them.
That has been a known fact for millennia.
But there is only one un-created God, the Father of the Lord Jesus Christ.
In your unproven opinion. Your special pleading won't cut it.
In order for something to be evidence it needs to have no special mindset, or conditions
other than instruments such as telescopes or microscopes.

If one has to believe first, then it isn't evidence.


There are no Gods unless we create them.
Bob Duncan
2021-05-31 23:26:59 UTC
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There are no gods unless we create them.
That has been a known fact for millennia.
But there is only one un-created God, the Father of the Lord Jesus Christ.
In your unproven opinion.
It's only an unproven opinion for those like you who are unregenerate, who's
opinion really doesn't matter.
Cloud Hobbit
2021-06-01 00:12:13 UTC
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There are no gods unless we create them.
That has been a known fact for millennia.
But there is only one un-created God, the Father of the Lord Jesus Christ.
In your unproven opinion.
It's only an unproven opinion for those like you who are unregenerate, who's
opinion really doesn't matter.
Nor does your unproven opinion.
It just makes you a liar according to you.


There are no gods unless we create them.
Bob Duncan
2021-06-01 01:53:45 UTC
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Nor does your unproven opinion.
It's only an unproven opinion for those like you who are unregenerate, who's
opinion really doesn't matter.
Cloud Hobbit
2021-06-01 02:47:46 UTC
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Nor does your unproven opinion.
It's only an unproven opinion for those like you who are unregenerate, who's
opinion really doesn't matter.
And that's still an unproven opinion.
That makes it a lie according to your
standards.


There are no gods unless we create them.
Bob Duncan
2021-06-01 03:10:25 UTC
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Nor does your unproven opinion.
It's only an unproven opinion for those like you who are unregenerate, who's
opinion really doesn't matter.
And that's still an unproven opinion.
Not for me, or for any other regenerate chosen.

And I don't really care if it is for you.

This isn't about you.
Cloud Hobbit
2021-06-01 04:46:27 UTC
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Nor does your unproven opinion.
It's only an unproven opinion for those like you who are unregenerate, who's
opinion really doesn't matter.
And that's still an unproven opinion.
Not for me, or for any other regenerate chosen.
And I don't really care if it is for you.
This isn't about you.
Never said it was, it's about reality vs delusions.
You believe in something that you can't prove exists
That is your right. It doesn't mean it's true.
There is no way that I will believe in something
for which no objective evidence exists.

There is nothing that can make me believe that
Christian moral to is proper for human beings.

No matter what you believe or say about god
It will always be your unproven opinion.


There are no gods unless we create them.
Bob Duncan
2021-06-01 06:20:22 UTC
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Nor does your unproven opinion.
It's only an unproven opinion for those like you who are
unregenerate, who's opinion really doesn't matter.
And that's still an unproven opinion.
Not for me, or for any other regenerate chosen.
And I don't really care if it is for you.
This isn't about you.
Never said it was, it's about reality vs delusions.
You just did. You defining what I know to be real.
You're trying to make this all about you.

No one who has been regenerated by the Holy Spirit cares if you don't
believe them.

Get over yourself.
John Locke
2021-06-01 06:41:54 UTC
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Nor does your unproven opinion.
It's only an unproven opinion for those like you who are
unregenerate, who's opinion really doesn't matter.
And that's still an unproven opinion.
Not for me, or for any other regenerate chosen.
And I don't really care if it is for you.
This isn't about you.
Never said it was, it's about reality vs delusions.
You just did. You defining what I know to be real.
You're trying to make this all about you.
No one who has been regenerated by the Holy Spirit cares if you don't
believe them.
...Holy Spirit regeneration is second rate with nasty side effects...
some individuals have been known to morph into Baboons ! For
first class, regeneration you'll need the services of Herbert West !
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Get over yourself.
...take your own advice Dunky, else someone is gonna
call the funny wagon !


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Bob Duncan
2021-06-01 11:11:22 UTC
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Nor does your unproven opinion.
It's only an unproven opinion for those like you who are
unregenerate, who's opinion really doesn't matter.
And that's still an unproven opinion.
Not for me, or for any other regenerate chosen.
And I don't really care if it is for you.
This isn't about you.
Never said it was, it's about reality vs delusions.
You just did. You defining what I know to be real.
You're trying to make this all about you.
No one who has been regenerated by the Holy Spirit cares if you don't
believe them.
...Holy Spirit regeneration is second rate with nasty side effects...
some individuals have been known to morph into Baboons ! For
first class, regeneration you'll need the services of Herbert West !
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Get over yourself.
...take your own advice Dunky, else someone is gonna
call the funny wagon !
And they'll be the one who ends up looking like an idiot.
Cloud Hobbit
2021-06-01 18:00:15 UTC
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Nor does your unproven opinion.
It's only an unproven opinion for those like you who are
unregenerate, who's opinion really doesn't matter.
And that's still an unproven opinion.
Not for me, or for any other regenerate chosen.
And I don't really care if it is for you.
This isn't about you.
Never said it was, it's about reality vs delusions.
You just did. You defining what I know to be real.
You're trying to make this all about you.
No one who has been regenerated by the Holy Spirit cares if you don't
believe them.
Get over yourself.
You first. If anyone is making it about themself of it's you.
I could care less what you believe, it's only when you claim
that what you believe is literal fact, that any of the atheists
take issue with it, that and the fact you're such a sanctimonious
prick.

If there were really any legitimate Evidence for what you
take on faith, all Christians everywhere would be shouting
it from the rooftops.

Claiming to have been "regenerated" by the "holy spirit" just
another unproven opinion.


There are no gods unless we create them.
Bob Duncan
2021-06-01 21:25:26 UTC
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Nor does your unproven opinion.
It's only an unproven opinion for those like you who are
unregenerate, who's opinion really doesn't matter.
And that's still an unproven opinion.
Not for me, or for any other regenerate chosen.
And I don't really care if it is for you.
This isn't about you.
Never said it was, it's about reality vs delusions.
You just did. You defining what I know to be real. You're trying to
make this all about you.
No one who has been regenerated by the Holy Spirit cares if you
don't believe them.
Get over yourself.
You first. If anyone is making it about themself of it's you. I
could care less what you believe, it's only when you claim that what
you believe is literal fact, that any of the atheists take issue with
it, that and the fact you're such a sanctimonious prick.
You just contradicted what you had just written.

A person's religious beliefs do not require proof of any kind.

Get over yourself.

And it should be written, "I couldn't care less..."

What an empty-headed idiot you really are.
If there were really any legitimate Evidence for what you take on
faith, all Christians everywhere would be shouting it from the
rooftops.
As usual, you've taken that out of context. They "shout from rooftops"
to let other Christians (or Jews) know what God has done for them.

Only God can get you to believe anything in the Bible.
And evidently, from the "evidence" I see, he doesn't want to.
You're predestined for Hell, according to the Bible.

So, that's your problem, not mine.


You're welcome,
Bob Duncan

<smirk>
Cloud Hobbit
2021-06-04 01:59:44 UTC
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Nor does your unproven opinion.
It's only an unproven opinion for those like you who are
unregenerate, who's opinion really doesn't matter.
And that's still an unproven opinion.
Not for me, or for any other regenerate chosen.
And I don't really care if it is for you.
This isn't about you.
Never said it was, it's about reality vs delusions.
You just did. You defining what I know to be real. You're trying to
make this all about you.
No one who has been regenerated by the Holy Spirit cares if you
don't believe them.
Get over yourself.
You first. If anyone is making it about themself of it's you. I
could care less what you believe, it's only when you claim that what
you believe is literal fact, that any of the atheists take issue with
it, that and the fact you're such a sanctimonious prick.
You just contradicted what you had just written.
A person's religious beliefs do not require proof of any kind.
They do when stated as if they were facts and not just
your beliefs.
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Get over yourself.
Not a problem I have
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And it should be written, "I couldn't care less..."
That's gonna keep me up nights.
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What an empty-headed idiot you really are.
I'm not the one who seems to think that ID is in any
way related to Science or that Evolution is a
theory in trouble, when virtually every scientist, scientific or to,
and university, endorse it.
Post by Bob Duncan
If there were really any legitimate Evidence for what you take on
faith, all Christians everywhere would be shouting it from the
rooftops.
As usual, you've taken that out of context. They "shout from rooftops"
to let other Christians (or Jews) know what God has done for them.
Not in my neighborhood.
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Only God can get you to believe anything in the Bible.
And as soon as he is proven to exist, I will have some questions.
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And evidently, from the "evidence" I see, he doesn't want to.
You wouldn't know evidence if it but you.
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You're predestined for Hell, according to the Bible.
And as soon as it can be proven that predestination exists or that the
Bible should be taken seriously as the word of an invisible,
Unproven dirty, I will have questions.
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So, that's your problem, not mine.
You're problem is, if we are to take you seriously, is that your
a religious loon.
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You're welcome,
Bob Duncan
<smirk>
There are no gods unless we create them.
🔥⬇️⛪
Bob Duncan
2021-06-04 02:44:01 UTC
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You just contradicted what you had just written.
A person's religious beliefs do not require proof of any kind.
They do when stated as if they were facts and not just your beliefs.
No. You're wrong.

I don't know about you, but if I weren't 100% sure it was a fact it
would not be a religious belief.

And I would only feel compelled to prove it IFF (that's "if and only if")
I were trying to get someone else to also believe it was true.

So, I don't have to prove anything to you. I believe you're going to Hell.
(That's also a religious belief of mine. <smirk>)

Have a nice life.

You're welcome.
Cloud Hobbit
2021-06-04 02:58:04 UTC
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You just contradicted what you had just written.
A person's religious beliefs do not require proof of any kind.
They do when stated as if they were facts and not just your beliefs.
No. You're wrong.
I don't know about you, but if I weren't 100% sure it was a fact it
would not be a religious belief.
And I would only feel compelled to prove it IFF (that's "if and only if")
I were trying to get someone else to also believe it was true.
So, I don't have to prove anything to you. I believe you're going to Hell.
(That's also a religious belief of mine. <smirk>)
Have a nice life.
And what does all that add up too?
More unproven opinions, and according to your rules,
lies.

BTW I'm having a very nice life.
I doubt you are.

There are no gods unless we create them.
Bob Duncan
2021-06-04 04:37:01 UTC
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You just contradicted what you had just written.
A person's religious beliefs do not require proof of any kind.
They do when stated as if they were facts and not just your beliefs.
No. You're wrong.
I don't know about you, but if I weren't 100% sure it was a fact it
would not be a religious belief.
And I would only feel compelled to prove it IFF (that's "if and only if")
I were trying to get someone else to also believe it was true.
So, I don't have to prove anything to you. I believe you're going to Hell.
(That's also a religious belief of mine. <smirk>)
Have a nice life.
And what does all that add up too?
More unproven opinions, and according to your rules, > lies.
Nope, you're wrong, again.

They're unproven because I don't have to prove them.

Can you not grasp that concept?

Is it too far above you?

You are to be pitied more than anything else.

You have no functioning brain.
Cloud Hobbit
2021-06-04 19:32:07 UTC
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You just contradicted what you had just written.
A person's religious beliefs do not require proof of any kind.
They do when stated as if they were facts and not just your beliefs.
No. You're wrong.
I don't know about you, but if I weren't 100% sure it was a fact it
would not be a religious belief.
And I would only feel compelled to prove it IFF (that's "if and only if")
I were trying to get someone else to also believe it was true.
So, I don't have to prove anything to you. I believe you're going to Hell.
(That's also a religious belief of mine. <smirk>)
Have a nice life.
And what does all that add up too?
More unproven opinions, and according to your rules, > lies.
Nope, you're wrong, again.
They're unproven because I don't have to prove them.
They are unproven because of there is no Evidence for them.
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Can you not grasp that concept?
Yes, we all know why you evade such questions.

That you can't answer because it would make you look
more stupid and evasive.
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Is it too far above you?
You are to be pitied more than anything else.
You have no functioning brain.
I'd say it recognizing your bullshit is a good
indication you're wrong about that.

There are no gods unless we create them.
Cloud Hobbit
2021-06-05 01:48:47 UTC
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They're unproven because I don't have to prove them.
They are unproven because of there is no Evidence for them.
Yes, there is.
Prove it.

There are no gods unless we create them.
Bob Duncan
2021-06-05 03:36:00 UTC
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They're unproven because I don't have to prove them.
They are unproven because of there is no Evidence for them.
Yes, there is.
Prove it.
It's not necessary.
Cloud Hobbit
2021-06-05 17:23:53 UTC
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They're unproven because I don't have to prove them.
They are unproven because of there is no Evidence for them.
Yes, there is.
Prove it.
It's not necessary.
It's not possible.
Nobody, not even you can prove god.

There are no gods unless we create them.
Bob Duncan
2021-06-05 18:07:12 UTC
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They're unproven because I don't have to prove them.
They are unproven because of there is no Evidence for them.
Yes, there is.
Prove it.
It's not necessary.
It's not possible.
Nobody, not even you can prove god.
That's what I've been saying for years.

Only God can prove God exists. And he only proves he exists to those he
has chosen, known as "the elect".
John Locke
2021-06-05 18:19:17 UTC
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They're unproven because I don't have to prove them.
They are unproven because of there is no Evidence for them.
Yes, there is.
Prove it.
It's not necessary.
It's not possible.
Nobody, not even you can prove god.
That's what I've been saying for years.
Only God can prove God exists. And he only proves he exists to those he
has chosen, known as "the elect".
..so Dunky, you got an email or certificate for screwy Yahooey saying
you have "elect status" ? Well let's see it. You can post a link
here.....






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Cloud Hobbit
2021-06-05 18:27:30 UTC
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They're unproven because I don't have to prove them.
They are unproven because of there is no Evidence for them.
Yes, there is.
Prove it.
It's not necessary.
It's not possible.
Nobody, not even you can prove god.
That's what I've been saying for years.
Only God can prove God exists. And he only proves he exists to those he
has chosen, known as "the elect".
More unproven opinion.
Does your lying never cease?

There are no gods unless we create them.
Bob Duncan
2021-06-05 18:36:24 UTC
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More unproven opinion.
Proof not necessary.
Post by Cloud Hobbit
Does your lying never cease?
You're the liar.
John Locke
2021-06-01 17:45:53 UTC
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Post by Bob Duncan
Post by Cloud Hobbit
https://evolution-outreach.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1007/s12052-007-0001-z
You will believe what you are predestined to believe. It doesn't really
matter to those of us who know that you have no choice. You must believe
what is false. That is how your everlasting punishment begins.
2 Thessalonians 2:11-12
...exemplifying once again that religion is royally fucked up !
Post by Bob Duncan
Post by Cloud Hobbit
There are no gods unless we create them.
There is only One Un-Created God, the Father of the Lord Jesus Christ,
Who thought it best to leave you the way you were when you were born,
maliciously corrupt, and fitting for eternal damnation and punishment.
Romans 1:28
...see above.


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Andrew
2021-06-01 00:23:06 UTC
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Diversity and adaptation has been continuously
going on ~ after Creation > by the living God.

Some call this ~ evolution. But this can happen
only within genetic limits. Therefore the idea that
life may evolve into a higher taxonomic category
is an unscientific deception, which has deceived
the gullible masses, including our atheist friends.
John Locke
2021-06-01 00:30:20 UTC
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On Mon, 31 May 2021 17:23:06 -0700, "Andrew"
Post by Andrew
Diversity and adaptation has been continuously
going on ~ after Creation > by the living God.
..no it isn't.
Post by Andrew
Some call this ~ evolution. But this can happen
only within genetic limits. Therefore the idea that
life may evolve into a higher taxonomic category
is an unscientific deception, which has deceived
the gullible masses, including our atheist friends.
...evolution theory fully explains the diversity of life on his
planet. Evolution theory has been rigorously tested and
has never failed. It's a done deal..a fact of nature. The same
can't be said for your "creationism" delusion ! You don't
get to redefine nature just because it doesn't co-inside
with your absurd religious views !


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Andrew
2021-06-01 00:56:25 UTC
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Post by John Locke
Post by Andrew
Diversity and adaptation has been continuously
going on ~ after Creation > by the living God.
..no it isn't.
Post by Andrew
Some call this ~ evolution. But this can happen
only within genetic limits. Therefore the idea that
life may evolve into a higher taxonomic category
is an unscientific deception, which has deceived
the gullible masses, including our atheist friends.
...evolution theory fully explains the diversity of life on his
planet. Evolution theory has been rigorously tested and
has never failed. It's a done deal..a fact of nature.
Did you fail to see the above? The diversity of life
has been continuously going on..after Creation, by
----> the living God; and only within genetic limits.

Therefore the idea that life may evolve into a higher
taxonomic category is an unscientific deception,
which has deceived the gullible masses, including
our atheist friends
Post by John Locke
The same
can't be said for your "creationism" delusion ! You don't
get to redefine nature just because it doesn't co-inside
with your absurd religious views !
So we can see folks, that our friend John ~ is one
of the deceived.
Mitchell Holman
2021-06-01 01:02:34 UTC
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Post by Andrew
Post by John Locke
Post by Andrew
Diversity and adaptation has been continuously
going on ~ after Creation > by the living God.
..no it isn't.
Post by Andrew
Some call this ~ evolution. But this can happen
only within genetic limits. Therefore the idea that
life may evolve into a higher taxonomic category
is an unscientific deception, which has deceived
the gullible masses, including our atheist friends.
...evolution theory fully explains the diversity of life on his
planet. Evolution theory has been rigorously tested and
has never failed. It's a done deal..a fact of nature.
Did you fail to see the above? The diversity of life
has been continuously going on..after Creation, by
----> the living God; and only within genetic limits.
What is a "genetic limit"?
Post by Andrew
Therefore the idea that life may evolve into a higher
taxonomic category is an unscientific deception,
What is stopping it?
Andrew
2021-06-01 05:55:16 UTC
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Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Andrew
Post by John Locke
Post by Andrew
Diversity and adaptation has been continuously
going on ~ after Creation > by the living God.
..no it isn't.
Post by Andrew
Some call this ~ evolution. But this can happen
only within genetic limits. Therefore the idea that
life may evolve into a higher taxonomic category
is an unscientific deception, which has deceived
the gullible masses, including our atheist friends.
...evolution theory fully explains the diversity of life on his
planet. Evolution theory has been rigorously tested and
has never failed. It's a done deal..a fact of nature.
Did you fail to see the above? The diversity of life
has been continuously going on..after Creation, by
----> the living God; and only within genetic limits.
What is a "genetic limit"?
The total of the genetic information
that is within a reproducing species.
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Andrew
Therefore the idea that life may evolve into a higher
taxonomic category is an unscientific deception,
What is stopping it?
Genetic limits.
John Locke
2021-06-01 01:08:43 UTC
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On Mon, 31 May 2021 17:56:25 -0700, "Andrew"
Post by Andrew
Post by John Locke
Post by Andrew
Diversity and adaptation has been continuously
going on ~ after Creation > by the living God.
..no it isn't.
Post by Andrew
Some call this ~ evolution. But this can happen
only within genetic limits. Therefore the idea that
life may evolve into a higher taxonomic category
is an unscientific deception, which has deceived
the gullible masses, including our atheist friends.
...evolution theory fully explains the diversity of life on his
planet. Evolution theory has been rigorously tested and
has never failed. It's a done deal..a fact of nature.
Did you fail to see the above? The diversity of life
has been continuously going on..after Creation, by
----> the living God; and only within genetic limits.
...you have no " living God". There was no creation !
Post by Andrew
Therefore the idea that life may evolve into a higher
taxonomic category is an unscientific deception,
which has deceived the gullible masses, including
our atheist friends
...life evolved naturally from ancient primitive life forms to complex
life forms we see today. This has been rigorously verified through
genetics, the fossil record, comparative anatomy, embryology
and a host of other scientific disciples. This is NOT debatable.
Evolution theory is a fact of nature. It's a done deal.
Post by Andrew
Post by John Locke
The same
can't be said for your "creationism" delusion ! You don't
get to redefine nature just because it doesn't co-inside
with your absurd religious views !
So we can see folks, that our friend John ~ is one
of the deceived.
..no Andrew...you're the one who has been deceived...
by medieval superstition !


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Andrew
2021-06-01 05:55:01 UTC
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Post by John Locke
Post by Andrew
Post by John Locke
Post by Andrew
Diversity and adaptation has been continuously
going on ~ after Creation > by the living God.
..no it isn't.
Post by Andrew
Some call this ~ evolution. But this can happen
only within genetic limits. Therefore the idea that
life may evolve into a higher taxonomic category
is an unscientific deception, which has deceived
the gullible masses, including our atheist friends.
...evolution theory fully explains the diversity of life on his
planet. Evolution theory has been rigorously tested and
has never failed. It's a done deal..a fact of nature.
Did you fail to see the above? The diversity of life
has been continuously going on..after Creation, by
----> the living God; and only within genetic limits.
...you have no " living God". There was no creation !
John, it is futile to fight against the truth.
Post by John Locke
Post by Andrew
Therefore the idea that life may evolve into a higher
taxonomic category is an unscientific deception,
which has deceived the gullible masses, including
our atheist friends
...life evolved naturally from...... ...........
..from Creation..diversity and adaptation has
been continuously going on ~ after Creation
by>the living God. All glory to Him, forever.
Post by John Locke
ancient primitive life forms to complex life forms
The idea that life may evolve into higher taxonomic
categories is an "unscientific deception", which has
deceived the gullible masses, including most of our
atheist friends.
Post by John Locke
we see today.
Creation has devolved to what we see today.
There was no imperfection at the beginning.
Post by John Locke
This has been rigorously verified through
genetics, the fossil record, comparative anatomy, embryology
and a host of other scientific disciples.
All points to Creation.
Post by John Locke
This is NOT debatable.
Truth is never afraid of debate.

But falsehood shouts, "This is NOT debatable." c
Post by John Locke
Evolution theory is a fact of nature. It's a done deal.
Only after Creation by our Creator. All glory to Him!
Post by John Locke
Post by Andrew
Post by John Locke
The same
can't be said for your "creationism" delusion ! You don't
get to redefine nature just because it doesn't co-inside
with your absurd religious views !
So we can see folks, that our friend John ~ is one
of the deceived.
..no Andrew...you're the one who has been deceived...
by medieval superstition !
Yet I have scientific evidence, whereas
you have a doctrine built upon fantasy.

John, it is futile for you to fight against
the truth.

So give it up.
Mitchell Holman
2021-06-01 13:19:06 UTC
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"John Locke" wrote in message
Post by John Locke
...life evolved naturally from...... ...........
..from Creation..diversity and adaptation has
been continuously going on ~ after Creation
by>the living God.
Show us where the Bible says that.
Post by John Locke
ancient primitive life forms to complex life forms
The idea that life may evolve into higher taxonomic
categories is an "unscientific deception", which has
deceived the gullible masses, including most of our
atheist friends.
You believe in "diversity and adaption" -
but not evolution?
Post by John Locke
we see today.
Creation has devolved to what we see today.
There was no imperfection at the beginning.
Then why Ye Floode?
Truth is never afraid of debate.
But falsehood shouts, "This is NOT debatable." c
AKA "The Bible says it, it is therefore true"
Yet I have scientific evidence, whereas
you have a doctrine built upon fantasy.
Show us your "scientific evidence".
Christopher A. Lee
2021-06-01 13:34:49 UTC
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On Tue, 01 Jun 2021 08:19:06 -0500, Mitchell Holman
Post by Mitchell Holman
"John Locke" wrote in message
Post by John Locke
...life evolved naturally from...... ...........
..from Creation..diversity and adaptation has
been continuously going on ~ after Creation
by>the living God.
Show us where the Bible says that.
...and WHAT FUCKING CREATION was in-your-face psycho bullshitting
about to an educated audience who have given him natural explanations
derived from scientific research over the last 160-odd years, every
time he has wiped his unsolicited nonsense in our faces?

Are there any honest, intelligent fundamentalists?

They have to lie to themselves to remain in denial about reality, but
do they have to repeat these lies outside their religion?
John Locke
2021-06-01 14:29:35 UTC
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On Tue, 01 Jun 2021 08:34:49 -0500, Christopher A. Lee
Post by Christopher A. Lee
On Tue, 01 Jun 2021 08:19:06 -0500, Mitchell Holman
Post by Mitchell Holman
"John Locke" wrote in message
Post by John Locke
...life evolved naturally from...... ...........
..from Creation..diversity and adaptation has
been continuously going on ~ after Creation
by>the living God.
Show us where the Bible says that.
...and WHAT FUCKING CREATION was in-your-face psycho bullshitting
about to an educated audience who have given him natural explanations
derived from scientific research over the last 160-odd years, every
time he has wiped his unsolicited nonsense in our faces?
Are there any honest, intelligent fundamentalists?
They have to lie to themselves to remain in denial about reality, but
do they have to repeat these lies outside their religion?
..yes, because they can't stand the fact that non-believers are
living normal, productive lives WITHOUT having to kowtow to some
crazy ass, humanly contrived deity !


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Andrew
2021-06-01 16:54:56 UTC
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Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Andrew
Post by John Locke
...life evolved naturally from...... ...........
..from Creation..diversity and adaptation has
been continuously going on ~ after Creation
by>the living God.
Show us where the Bible says that.
Is that what you go by?
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Andrew
Post by John Locke
ancient primitive life forms to complex life forms
The idea that life may evolve into higher taxonomic
categories is an "unscientific deception", which has
deceived the gullible masses, including most of our
atheist friends.
You believe in "diversity and adaption" -
but not evolution?
That IS evolution.
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Andrew
Post by John Locke
we see today.
Creation has devolved to what we see today.
There was no imperfection at the beginning.
Then why Ye Floode?
Wickedness of man, like we see today.
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Andrew
Truth is never afraid of debate.
But falsehood shouts, "This is NOT debatable." c
AKA "The Bible says it, it is therefore true"
So you're one of those.
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Andrew
Yet I have scientific evidence, whereas
you have a doctrine built upon fantasy.
Show us your "scientific evidence".
About what? Don't you know how to
research.
John Locke
2021-06-01 17:15:08 UTC
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Post by Andrew
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Andrew
Post by John Locke
...life evolved naturally from...... ...........
..from Creation..diversity and adaptation has
been continuously going on ~ after Creation
by>the living God.
Show us where the Bible says that.
Is that what you go by?
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Andrew
Post by John Locke
ancient primitive life forms to complex life forms
The idea that life may evolve into higher taxonomic
categories is an "unscientific deception", which has
deceived the gullible masses, including most of our
atheist friends.
You believe in "diversity and adaption" -
but not evolution?
That IS evolution.
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Andrew
Post by John Locke
we see today.
Creation has devolved to what we see today.
There was no imperfection at the beginning.
Then why Ye Floode?
Wickedness of man, like we see today.
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Andrew
Truth is never afraid of debate.
But falsehood shouts, "This is NOT debatable." c
AKA "The Bible says it, it is therefore true"
So you're one of those.
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Andrew
Yet I have scientific evidence, whereas
you have a doctrine built upon fantasy.
Show us your "scientific evidence".
About what? Don't you know how to
research.
...don't you have any common sense ?


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nature bats last
2021-06-01 18:42:22 UTC
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Post by John Locke
Post by Andrew
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Andrew
...life evolved naturally from...... ...........
==
Post by John Locke
Post by Andrew
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Andrew
..from Creation..diversity and adaptation has
been continuously going on ~ after Creation
by>the living God.
Show us where the Bible says that.
Is that what you go by?
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Andrew
ancient primitive life forms to complex life forms
The idea that life may evolve into higher taxonomic
categories is an "unscientific deception", which has
deceived the gullible masses, including most of our
atheist friends.
You believe in "diversity and adaption" -
but not evolution?
That IS evolution.
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Andrew
we see today.
Creation has devolved to what we see today.
There was no imperfection at the beginning.
Then why Ye Floode?
Wickedness of man, like we see today.
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Andrew
Truth is never afraid of debate.
But falsehood shouts, "This is NOT debatable." c
AKA "The Bible says it, it is therefore true"
So you're one of those.
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Andrew
Yet I have scientific evidence, whereas
you have a doctrine built upon fantasy.
Show us your "scientific evidence".
About what? Don't you know how to
research.
...don't you have any common sense ?
Andrew compensates for that with a highly developed evasion reflex
I count three examples of that in the exchanges above.

Seth
Andrew
2021-06-01 22:57:22 UTC
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Post by John Locke
Post by Andrew
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Andrew
Post by John Locke
...life evolved naturally from...... ...........
..from Creation..diversity and adaptation has
been continuously going on ~ after Creation
by>the living God.
Show us where the Bible says that.
Is that what you go by?
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Andrew
Post by John Locke
ancient primitive life forms to complex life forms
The idea that life may evolve into higher taxonomic
categories is an "unscientific deception", which has
deceived the gullible masses, including most of our
atheist friends.
You believe in "diversity and adaption" -
but not evolution?
That IS evolution.
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Andrew
Post by John Locke
we see today.
Creation has devolved to what we see today.
There was no imperfection at the beginning.
Then why Ye Floode?
Wickedness of man, like we see today.
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Andrew
Truth is never afraid of debate.
But falsehood shouts, "This is NOT debatable." c
AKA "The Bible says it, it is therefore true"
So you're one of those.
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Andrew
Yet I have scientific evidence, whereas
you have a doctrine built upon fantasy.
Show us your "scientific evidence".
About what? Don't you know how to
research.
...don't you have any common sense ?
My interest is in the truth, John..

And I notice that you always run
away from my hard questions to
you.

Because you found out that, it is
futile for you to fight against the
truth.
nature bats last
2021-06-02 00:57:20 UTC
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Post by Andrew
Post by John Locke
Post by Andrew
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Andrew
...life evolved naturally from...... ...........
..from Creation..diversity and adaptation has
been continuously going on ~ after Creation
by>the living God.
Show us where the Bible says that.
Is that what you go by?
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Andrew
ancient primitive life forms to complex life forms
The idea that life may evolve into higher taxonomic
categories is an "unscientific deception", which has
deceived the gullible masses, including most of our
atheist friends.
You believe in "diversity and adaption" -
but not evolution?
That IS evolution.
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Andrew
we see today.
Creation has devolved to what we see today.
There was no imperfection at the beginning.
Then why Ye Floode?
Wickedness of man, like we see today.
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Andrew
Truth is never afraid of debate.
But falsehood shouts, "This is NOT debatable." c
AKA "The Bible says it, it is therefore true"
So you're one of those.
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Andrew
Yet I have scientific evidence, whereas
you have a doctrine built upon fantasy.
Show us your "scientific evidence".
About what? Don't you know how to
research.
...don't you have any common sense ?
My interest is in the truth, John..
==
Post by Andrew
And I notice that you always run
away from my hard questions to
you.
Pot, cue ball, black.


Seth
Post by Andrew
Because you found out that, it is
futile for you to fight against the
truth.
Ted
2021-06-03 06:23:55 UTC
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On Tue, 1 Jun 2021 17:57:20 -0700 (PDT), nature bats last
Post by nature bats last
Post by Andrew
Post by John Locke
Post by Andrew
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Andrew
...life evolved naturally from...... ...........
..from Creation..diversity and adaptation has
been continuously going on ~ after Creation
by>the living God.
Show us where the Bible says that.
Is that what you go by?
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Andrew
ancient primitive life forms to complex life forms
The idea that life may evolve into higher taxonomic
categories is an "unscientific deception", which has
deceived the gullible masses, including most of our
atheist friends.
You believe in "diversity and adaption" -
but not evolution?
That IS evolution.
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Andrew
we see today.
Creation has devolved to what we see today.
There was no imperfection at the beginning.
Then why Ye Floode?
Wickedness of man, like we see today.
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Andrew
Truth is never afraid of debate.
But falsehood shouts, "This is NOT debatable." c
AKA "The Bible says it, it is therefore true"
So you're one of those.
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Andrew
Yet I have scientific evidence, whereas
you have a doctrine built upon fantasy.
Show us your "scientific evidence".
About what? Don't you know how to
research.
...don't you have any common sense ?
My interest is in the truth, John..
==
Post by Andrew
And I notice that you always run
away from my hard questions to
you.
Pot, cue ball, black.
Seth
What an ironic accusation for Andrew to make.
Mitchell Holman
2021-06-01 17:53:34 UTC
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Post by Andrew
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Andrew
Post by John Locke
...life evolved naturally from...... ...........
..from Creation..diversity and adaptation has
been continuously going on ~ after Creation
by>the living God.
Show us where the Bible says that.
Is that what you go by?
This is your mythology, you tell us.
Post by Andrew
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Andrew
Post by John Locke
ancient primitive life forms to complex life forms
The idea that life may evolve into higher taxonomic
categories is an "unscientific deception", which has
deceived the gullible masses, including most of our
atheist friends.
You believe in "diversity and adaption" -
but not evolution?
That IS evolution.
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Andrew
Post by John Locke
we see today.
Creation has devolved to what we see today.
There was no imperfection at the beginning.
Then why Ye Floode?
Wickedness of man, like we see today.
God builds a creation that is so
flawed even he cannot live with it.
So much for his "perfection"
Post by Andrew
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Andrew
Truth is never afraid of debate.
But falsehood shouts, "This is NOT debatable." c
AKA "The Bible says it, it is therefore true"
So you're one of those.
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Andrew
Yet I have scientific evidence, whereas
you have a doctrine built upon fantasy.
Show us your "scientific evidence".
About what?
Just show us your proof.



"The vast bulk of real scientists in the world
know that the "goo to you" story is a phantasy."
Andrew, unproven claim, Nov 5, 2016
http://tinyurl.com/gtw66jf
Andrew
2021-06-01 23:05:06 UTC
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Post by Mitchell Holman
God builds a creation that is so
flawed even he cannot live with it.
So much for his "perfection"
Well, He DOES give us all freedom
to make choices. Would you rather
not have that freedom?

The next judgment from God will
not be by water, but rather by fire.

The destiny of those who continue
to rebel against their Maker, God.
nature bats last
2021-06-02 00:55:43 UTC
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==
Post by Andrew
Post by Mitchell Holman
God builds a creation that is so
flawed even he cannot live with it.
So much for his "perfection"
Well, He DOES give us all freedom
to make choices. Would you rather
not have that freedom?
And just to make Himdamn certain that we exercise that freedom,
He created Lucifer to be His pitchman for giving it a shot.

And highly successful salesman at that, if your team is to
be believed, convincing countless billions to take advantage
of it.

But then I'm skeptical, as your Book paints a picture of an "omniscient" God
somehow being taken totally by surprise by the way things had
turned out:

+ "And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth,
+ and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.

+ And it repented the Lord that he had made man on the earth,
+ and it grieved him at his heart".

Taken totally by surprise. A remarkably human sounding God you got there.


Seth
Post by Andrew
The next judgment from God will
not be by water, but rather by fire.
The destiny of those who continue
to rebel against their Maker, God.
Andrew
2021-06-02 08:49:52 UTC
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Post by nature bats last
Post by Andrew
Post by Mitchell Holman
God builds a creation that is so
flawed even he cannot live with it.
So much for his "perfection"
Well, He DOES give us all freedom
to make choices. Would you rather
not have that freedom?
And just to make Himdamn certain that we exercise that freedom,
He created Lucifer to be His pitchman for giving it a shot.
And highly successful salesman at that, if your team is to
be believed, convincing countless billions to take advantage
of it.
But then I'm skeptical, as your Book paints a picture of an "omniscient" God
somehow being taken totally by surprise by the way things had
+ "And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth,
+ and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.
+ And it repented the Lord that he had made man on the earth,
+ and it grieved him at his heart".
Taken totally by surprise. A remarkably human sounding God you got there.
No surprise at all..This world is unique. It is a fallen world.

I think you understand about the and war in heaven when
Satan was cast out. He eventually tricked our first parents
in the Garden and caused them to sin..

All from Adam have sinned and would die, except that God
has chosen to take the death penalty Himself. Which He did.

If you reject His offer of salvation, you may pay the penalty
yourself. Which you apparently have decided to do.
Post by nature bats last
Seth
Post by Andrew
The next judgment from God will
not be by water, but rather by fire.
The destiny of those who continue
to rebel against their Maker, God.
Mitchell Holman
2021-06-02 12:55:30 UTC
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Post by Andrew
Post by nature bats last
Post by Andrew
Post by Mitchell Holman
God builds a creation that is so
flawed even he cannot live with it.
So much for his "perfection"
Well, He DOES give us all freedom
to make choices. Would you rather
not have that freedom?
And just to make Himdamn certain that we exercise that freedom,
He created Lucifer to be His pitchman for giving it a shot.
And highly successful salesman at that, if your team is to
be believed, convincing countless billions to take advantage
of it.
But then I'm skeptical, as your Book paints a picture of an
"omniscient" God somehow being taken totally by surprise by the way
+ "And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth,
+ and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.
+ And it repented the Lord that he had made man on the earth,
+ and it grieved him at his heart".
Taken totally by surprise. A remarkably human sounding God you got there.
No surprise at all..This world is unique. It is a fallen world.
I think you understand about the and war in heaven when
Satan was cast out. He eventually tricked our first parents
in the Garden and caused them to sin..
Why would an allmighty god have to wage a war?
Siri Cruise
2021-06-02 13:12:28 UTC
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Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Andrew
I think you understand about the and war in heaven when
Satan was cast out. He eventually tricked our first parents
in the Garden and caused them to sin..
Why would an allmighty god have to wage a war?
A civil war in heaven is not canonical: you can ignore it and
still be a jew or christian.

Angels are described as a military order. There is a hint of a
story beyond the bible of some kind conflict not just a civil war.
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Andrew
2021-06-02 14:34:49 UTC
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Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Andrew
Post by nature bats last
Post by Andrew
Post by Mitchell Holman
God builds a creation that is so
flawed even he cannot live with it.
So much for his "perfection"
Well, He DOES give us all freedom
to make choices. Would you rather
not have that freedom?
And just to make Himdamn certain that we exercise that freedom,
He created Lucifer to be His pitchman for giving it a shot.
And highly successful salesman at that, if your team is to
be believed, convincing countless billions to take advantage
of it.
But then I'm skeptical, as your Book paints a picture of an
"omniscient" God somehow being taken totally by surprise by the way
+ "And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth,
+ and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.
+ And it repented the Lord that he had made man on the earth,
+ and it grieved him at his heart".
Taken totally by surprise. A remarkably human sounding God you got there.
No surprise at all..This world is unique. It is a fallen world.
I think you understand about the and war in heaven when
Satan was cast out. He eventually tricked our first parents
in the Garden and caused them to sin..
Why would an allmighty god have to wage a war?
God is love. He rules by the power of love. He is
also omnipotent and could instantly destroy any
rebellion in heaven. But He doesn't do it that way.

What happened was, one of the influential angles in
heaven (Lucifer) had the idea that there otta be a
regime change in heaven. Of course God didn't think
so and declared that, this rebellious angel and his
followers would have to leave heaven.

So there was the loyal angels, and the rebellious ones
under the leadership of Lucifer, who had it out with
one another in a war. Lucifer lost and was cast out to
this Earth...where he has been causing lots of trouble.

"And war broke out in heaven: Michael and his angels
fought with the dragon; and the dragon and his angels
fought, but they did not prevail, nor was a place found
for them in heaven any longer.So the great dragon was
cast out, that serpent of old, called the Devil and Satan,
who deceives the whole world; he was cast to the earth,
and his angels were cast out with him."
~ Revelation 12:7-9

Read more about it in the Bible. There you will see
that this will all eventually come to an end and you
may life forever in the Earth made new, with Jesus.
Mitchell Holman
2021-06-02 17:30:15 UTC
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Post by Andrew
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Andrew
Post by nature bats last
Post by Andrew
Post by Mitchell Holman
God builds a creation that is so
flawed even he cannot live with it.
So much for his "perfection"
Well, He DOES give us all freedom
to make choices. Would you rather
not have that freedom?
And just to make Himdamn certain that we exercise that freedom,
He created Lucifer to be His pitchman for giving it a shot.
And highly successful salesman at that, if your team is to
be believed, convincing countless billions to take advantage
of it.
But then I'm skeptical, as your Book paints a picture of an
"omniscient" God somehow being taken totally by surprise by the way
+ "And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth,
+ and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.
+ And it repented the Lord that he had made man on the earth,
+ and it grieved him at his heart".
Taken totally by surprise. A remarkably human sounding God you got there.
No surprise at all..This world is unique. It is a fallen world.
I think you understand about the and war in heaven when
Satan was cast out. He eventually tricked our first parents
in the Garden and caused them to sin..
Why would an allmighty god have to wage a war?
God is love. He rules by the power of love. He is
also omnipotent and could instantly destroy any
rebellion in heaven. But He doesn't do it that way.
What happened was, one of the influential angles in
heaven (Lucifer) had the idea that there otta be a
regime change in heaven. Of course God didn't think
so and declared that, this rebellious angel and his
followers would have to leave heaven.
So there was the loyal angels, and the rebellious ones
under the leadership of Lucifer, who had it out with
one another in a war. Lucifer lost and was cast out to
this Earth...where he has been causing lots of trouble.
"And war broke out in heaven: Michael and his angels
fought with the dragon; and the dragon and his angels
fought, but they did not prevail, nor was a place found
for them in heaven any longer.So the great dragon was
cast out, that serpent of old, called the Devil and Satan,
who deceives the whole world; he was cast to the earth,
and his angels were cast out with him."
~ Revelation 12:7-9
Read more about it in the Bible.
That makes no sense whatsoever. Your god has
the power to see into the future - but didn't
forsee this rebellion. He has the power to snuff
out rebellious people but cannot do the same
with rebellious angels. He punishes innocent
children but is merciful to angels to defy him.

That doesn't sound like a very "all powerful"
deity to me...........
Andrew
2021-06-03 11:48:22 UTC
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Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Andrew
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Andrew
Post by nature bats last
Post by Andrew
Post by Mitchell Holman
God builds a creation that is so
flawed even he cannot live with it.
So much for his "perfection"
Well, He DOES give us all freedom
to make choices. Would you rather
not have that freedom?
And just to make Himdamn certain that we exercise that freedom,
He created Lucifer to be His pitchman for giving it a shot.
And highly successful salesman at that, if your team is to
be believed, convincing countless billions to take advantage
of it.
But then I'm skeptical, as your Book paints a picture of an
"omniscient" God somehow being taken totally by surprise by the way
+ "And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth,
+ and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only
evil continually.
+ And it repented the Lord that he had made man on the earth,
+ and it grieved him at his heart".
Taken totally by surprise. A remarkably human sounding God you got there.
No surprise at all..This world is unique. It is a fallen world.
I think you understand about the and war in heaven when
Satan was cast out. He eventually tricked our first parents
in the Garden and caused them to sin..
Why would an allmighty god have to wage a war?
God is love. He rules by the power of love. He is
also omnipotent and could instantly destroy any
rebellion in heaven. But He doesn't do it that way.
What happened was, one of the influential angles in
heaven (Lucifer) had the idea that there otta be a
regime change in heaven. Of course God didn't think
so and declared that, this rebellious angel and his
followers would have to leave heaven.
So there was the loyal angels, and the rebellious ones
under the leadership of Lucifer, who had it out with
one another in a war. Lucifer lost and was cast out to
this Earth...where he has been causing lots of trouble.
"And war broke out in heaven: Michael and his angels
fought with the dragon; and the dragon and his angels
fought, but they did not prevail, nor was a place found
for them in heaven any longer.So the great dragon was
cast out, that serpent of old, called the Devil and Satan,
who deceives the whole world; he was cast to the earth,
and his angels were cast out with him."
~ Revelation 12:7-9
Read more about it in the Bible.
That makes no sense whatsoever.
And it doesn't, according to your way of
thinking. But God has more wisdom than
you do. He sees the issue from an eternal
perspective.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

"For My thoughts are not your thoughts,
Nor are your ways My ways," says the Lord.
"For as the heavens are higher than the earth,
So are My ways higher than your ways,
And My thoughts than your thoughts."
~ Isaiah 55:8-9
Post by Mitchell Holman
Your god has
the power to see into the future - but didn't
forsee this rebellion.
No.
Post by Mitchell Holman
He has the power to snuff
out rebellious people but cannot do the same
with rebellious angels.
No.
Post by Mitchell Holman
He punishes innocent
children but is merciful to angels to defy him.
No.
Post by Mitchell Holman
That doesn't sound like a very "all powerful"
deity to me...........
Start reading the Bible.
Mitchell Holman
2021-06-03 12:48:58 UTC
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Post by Andrew
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Andrew
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Andrew
Post by nature bats last
Post by Andrew
Post by Mitchell Holman
God builds a creation that is so
flawed even he cannot live with it.
So much for his "perfection"
Well, He DOES give us all freedom
to make choices. Would you rather
not have that freedom?
And just to make Himdamn certain that we exercise that freedom,
He created Lucifer to be His pitchman for giving it a shot.
And highly successful salesman at that, if your team is to
be believed, convincing countless billions to take advantage
of it.
But then I'm skeptical, as your Book paints a picture of an
"omniscient" God somehow being taken totally by surprise by the
+ "And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth,
+ and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was
only evil continually.
+ And it repented the Lord that he had made man on the earth,
+ and it grieved him at his heart".
Taken totally by surprise. A remarkably human sounding God you got there.
No surprise at all..This world is unique. It is a fallen world.
I think you understand about the and war in heaven when
Satan was cast out. He eventually tricked our first parents
in the Garden and caused them to sin..
Why would an allmighty god have to wage a war?
God is love. He rules by the power of love. He is
also omnipotent and could instantly destroy any
rebellion in heaven. But He doesn't do it that way.
What happened was, one of the influential angles in
heaven (Lucifer) had the idea that there otta be a
regime change in heaven. Of course God didn't think
so and declared that, this rebellious angel and his
followers would have to leave heaven.
So there was the loyal angels, and the rebellious ones
under the leadership of Lucifer, who had it out with
one another in a war. Lucifer lost and was cast out to
this Earth...where he has been causing lots of trouble.
"And war broke out in heaven: Michael and his angels
fought with the dragon; and the dragon and his angels
fought, but they did not prevail, nor was a place found
for them in heaven any longer.So the great dragon was
cast out, that serpent of old, called the Devil and Satan,
who deceives the whole world; he was cast to the earth,
and his angels were cast out with him."
~ Revelation 12:7-9
Read more about it in the Bible.
That makes no sense whatsoever.
And it doesn't, according to your way of
thinking. But God has more wisdom than
you do. He sees the issue from an eternal
perspective.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
"For My thoughts are not your thoughts,
Nor are your ways My ways," says the Lord.
"For as the heavens are higher than the earth,
So are My ways higher than your ways,
And My thoughts than your thoughts."
~ Isaiah 55:8-9
Post by Mitchell Holman
Your god has
the power to see into the future - but didn't
forsee this rebellion.
No.
That is YOUR narrative that even
YOU cannot explain.
Post by Andrew
Post by Mitchell Holman
He has the power to snuff
out rebellious people but cannot do the same
with rebellious angels.
No.
That is YOUR narrative that even
YOU cannot explain.
Post by Andrew
Post by Mitchell Holman
He punishes innocent
children but is merciful to angels to defy him.
No.
That is YOUR narrative that even
YOU cannot explain.
Post by Andrew
Post by Mitchell Holman
That doesn't sound like a very "all powerful"
deity to me...........
Start reading the Bible.
Start explaining the above.
Ted
2021-06-04 19:44:54 UTC
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Post by Andrew
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Andrew
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Andrew
Post by nature bats last
Post by Andrew
Post by Mitchell Holman
God builds a creation that is so
flawed even he cannot live with it.
So much for his "perfection"
Well, He DOES give us all freedom
to make choices. Would you rather
not have that freedom?
And just to make Himdamn certain that we exercise that
freedom,
Post by Andrew
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Andrew
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Andrew
Post by nature bats last
He created Lucifer to be His pitchman for giving it a shot.
And highly successful salesman at that, if your team is to
be believed, convincing countless billions to take advantage
of it.
But then I'm skeptical, as your Book paints a picture of an
"omniscient" God somehow being taken totally by surprise by the way
+ "And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth,
+ and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only
evil continually.
+ And it repented the Lord that he had made man on the earth,
+ and it grieved him at his heart".
Taken totally by surprise. A remarkably human sounding God
you got
Post by Andrew
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Andrew
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Andrew
Post by nature bats last
there.
No surprise at all..This world is unique. It is a fallen world.
I think you understand about the and war in heaven when
Satan was cast out. He eventually tricked our first parents
in the Garden and caused them to sin..
Why would an allmighty god have to wage a war?
God is love. He rules by the power of love. He is
also omnipotent and could instantly destroy any
rebellion in heaven. But He doesn't do it that way.
What happened was, one of the influential angles in
heaven (Lucifer) had the idea that there otta be a
regime change in heaven. Of course God didn't think
so and declared that, this rebellious angel and his
followers would have to leave heaven.
So there was the loyal angels, and the rebellious ones
under the leadership of Lucifer, who had it out with
one another in a war. Lucifer lost and was cast out to
this Earth...where he has been causing lots of trouble.
"And war broke out in heaven: Michael and his angels
fought with the dragon; and the dragon and his angels
fought, but they did not prevail, nor was a place found
for them in heaven any longer.So the great dragon was
cast out, that serpent of old, called the Devil and Satan,
who deceives the whole world; he was cast to the earth,
and his angels were cast out with him."
~ Revelation 12:7-9
Read more about it in the Bible.
That makes no sense whatsoever.
And it doesn't, according to your way of
thinking. But God has more wisdom than
you do. He sees the issue from an eternal
perspective.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
"For My thoughts are not your thoughts,
Nor are your ways My ways," says the Lord.
"For as the heavens are higher than the earth,
So are My ways higher than your ways,
And My thoughts than your thoughts."
~ Isaiah 55:8-9
And so fuck us. That's his attitude.
Post by Andrew
Post by Mitchell Holman
Your god has
the power to see into the future - but didn't
forsee this rebellion.
No.
Post by Mitchell Holman
He has the power to snuff
out rebellious people but cannot do the same
with rebellious angels.
Good point!
Post by Andrew
No.
Post by Mitchell Holman
He punishes innocent
children but is merciful to angels to defy him.
Good point!
Post by Andrew
No.
Post by Mitchell Holman
That doesn't sound like a very "all powerful"
deity to me...........
Start reading the Bible.
I'm quite familiar with the Bible. And I know
what it is.
John Locke
2021-06-04 20:10:13 UTC
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Post by Andrew
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Andrew
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Andrew
Post by nature bats last
Post by Andrew
Post by Mitchell Holman
God builds a creation that is so
flawed even he cannot live with it.
So much for his "perfection"
Well, He DOES give us all freedom
to make choices. Would you rather
not have that freedom?
And just to make Himdamn certain that we exercise that freedom,
He created Lucifer to be His pitchman for giving it a shot.
And highly successful salesman at that, if your team is to
be believed, convincing countless billions to take advantage
of it.
But then I'm skeptical, as your Book paints a picture of an
"omniscient" God somehow being taken totally by surprise by the way
+ "And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth,
+ and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only
evil continually.
+ And it repented the Lord that he had made man on the earth,
+ and it grieved him at his heart".
Taken totally by surprise. A remarkably human sounding God you got there.
No surprise at all..This world is unique. It is a fallen world.
I think you understand about the and war in heaven when
Satan was cast out. He eventually tricked our first parents
in the Garden and caused them to sin..
Why would an allmighty god have to wage a war?
God is love. He rules by the power of love. He is
also omnipotent and could instantly destroy any
rebellion in heaven. But He doesn't do it that way.
What happened was, one of the influential angles in
heaven (Lucifer) had the idea that there otta be a
regime change in heaven. Of course God didn't think
so and declared that, this rebellious angel and his
followers would have to leave heaven.
So there was the loyal angels, and the rebellious ones
under the leadership of Lucifer, who had it out with
one another in a war. Lucifer lost and was cast out to
this Earth...where he has been causing lots of trouble.
"And war broke out in heaven: Michael and his angels
fought with the dragon; and the dragon and his angels
fought, but they did not prevail, nor was a place found
for them in heaven any longer.So the great dragon was
cast out, that serpent of old, called the Devil and Satan,
who deceives the whole world; he was cast to the earth,
and his angels were cast out with him."
~ Revelation 12:7-9
Read more about it in the Bible.
That makes no sense whatsoever.
And it doesn't, according to your way of
thinking. But God has more wisdom than
you do. He sees the issue from an eternal
perspective.
...your "God" was a conjured up by humans and is thus
endowed only with the level of "wisdom" that ancient ignoramuses could
muster up...which ain't much. Your "God's" wisdom is about on par
with that of a mentally challenged orangutan !


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2021-06-04 20:19:54 UTC
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Post by John Locke
Post by Andrew
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Andrew
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Andrew
Post by nature bats last
Post by Andrew
Post by Mitchell Holman
God builds a creation that is so
flawed even he cannot live with it.
So much for his "perfection"
Well, He DOES give us all freedom
to make choices. Would you rather
not have that freedom?
And just to make Himdamn certain that we exercise that freedom,
He created Lucifer to be His pitchman for giving it a shot.
And highly successful salesman at that, if your team is to
be believed, convincing countless billions to take advantage
of it.
But then I'm skeptical, as your Book paints a picture of an
"omniscient" God somehow being taken totally by surprise by the way
+ "And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth,
+ and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only
evil continually.
+ And it repented the Lord that he had made man on the earth,
+ and it grieved him at his heart".
Taken totally by surprise. A remarkably human sounding God you got there.
No surprise at all..This world is unique. It is a fallen world.
I think you understand about the and war in heaven when
Satan was cast out. He eventually tricked our first parents
in the Garden and caused them to sin..
Why would an allmighty god have to wage a war?
God is love. He rules by the power of love. He is
also omnipotent and could instantly destroy any
rebellion in heaven. But He doesn't do it that way.
What happened was, one of the influential angles in
heaven (Lucifer) had the idea that there otta be a
regime change in heaven. Of course God didn't think
so and declared that, this rebellious angel and his
followers would have to leave heaven.
So there was the loyal angels, and the rebellious ones
under the leadership of Lucifer, who had it out with
one another in a war. Lucifer lost and was cast out to
this Earth...where he has been causing lots of trouble.
"And war broke out in heaven: Michael and his angels
fought with the dragon; and the dragon and his angels
fought, but they did not prevail, nor was a place found
for them in heaven any longer.So the great dragon was
cast out, that serpent of old, called the Devil and Satan,
who deceives the whole world; he was cast to the earth,
and his angels were cast out with him."
~ Revelation 12:7-9
Read more about it in the Bible.
That makes no sense whatsoever.
And it doesn't, according to your way of
thinking. But God has more wisdom than
you do. He sees the issue from an eternal
perspective.
...your "God" was a conjured up by humans and is thus
endowed only with the level of "wisdom" that ancient ignoramuses could
muster up...which ain't much. Your "God's" wisdom is about on par
with that of a mentally challenged orangutan !
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"There is not enough love and kindness in the world to give any of
it away to imaginary beings." - Friederich Nietzsche
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and your god has less than that
El Kabong
2021-06-03 16:09:40 UTC
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Post by Andrew
What happened was, one of the influential angles in
heaven (Lucifer) had the idea that there otta be a
regime change in heaven.
Yep, there shoulda been.

Lucifer was acute angle too. Why was God so obtuse?
Mitchell Holman
2021-06-03 17:42:06 UTC
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Post by El Kabong
Post by Andrew
What happened was, one of the influential angles in
heaven (Lucifer) had the idea that there otta be a
regime change in heaven.
Yep, there shoulda been.
Lucifer was acute angle too. Why was God so obtuse?
groan............;)
John Locke
2021-06-02 14:57:48 UTC
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Post by Andrew
Post by nature bats last
Post by Andrew
Post by Mitchell Holman
God builds a creation that is so
flawed even he cannot live with it.
So much for his "perfection"
Well, He DOES give us all freedom
to make choices. Would you rather
not have that freedom?
And just to make Himdamn certain that we exercise that freedom,
He created Lucifer to be His pitchman for giving it a shot.
And highly successful salesman at that, if your team is to
be believed, convincing countless billions to take advantage
of it.
But then I'm skeptical, as your Book paints a picture of an "omniscient" God
somehow being taken totally by surprise by the way things had
+ "And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth,
+ and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.
+ And it repented the Lord that he had made man on the earth,
+ and it grieved him at his heart".
Taken totally by surprise. A remarkably human sounding God you got there.
No surprise at all..This world is unique. It is a fallen world.
I think you understand about the and war in heaven when
Satan was cast out. He eventually tricked our first parents
in the Garden and caused them to sin..
All from Adam have sinned and would die, except that God
has chosen to take the death penalty Himself. Which He did.
If you reject His offer of salvation, you may pay the penalty
yourself. Which you apparently have decided to do.
...you're full of crap. We know through genetic research that there
was no biblical Adam and Eve ! You're in serious denial of reality.


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Andrew
2021-06-02 15:44:47 UTC
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We know through genetic research that there was no biblical
Adam and Eve !
Without a Creator there would be no male and female humans.
And without a Creator there would be no genetic information
to do research on.

The above statements are ----> scientifically irrefutable.
Mitchell Holman
2021-06-02 17:31:59 UTC
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Post by Andrew
We know through genetic research that there was no biblical
Adam and Eve !
Without a Creator there would be no male and female humans.
Without a Creator there would be no polio or
smallpox or Alzheimers or AIDS or MS or plague.
aaa
2021-06-04 11:53:17 UTC
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Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Andrew
We know through genetic research that there was no biblical
Adam and Eve !
Without a Creator there would be no male and female humans.
Without a Creator there would be no polio or
smallpox or Alzheimers or AIDS or MS or plague.
Those aren't the results of creation. They are the results of
destruction and sin instead.
--
God's spiritual evidence:

Truth, love, wisdom, compassion, knowledge, consciousness, intelligence,
happiness, faith, courage, justice, peace, freedom, and life itself.

God's spiritual evidence is evident in everyone.
Find it and treasure it because it's the covenant of God.
It's the reason why we are given this life on earth.
It's the foundation why we can have meaning in life.

Let's all honor our personal spiritual evidence of God for the sake of
Christ!
aaa
2021-06-04 17:29:07 UTC
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Post by aaa
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Andrew
We know through genetic research that there was no biblical
Adam and Eve !
Without a Creator there would be no male and female humans.
Without a Creator there would be no polio or
smallpox or Alzheimers or AIDS or MS or plague.
Those aren't the results of creation. They are the results of
destruction and sin instead.
Where does the Bible say that?
Where is your reasoning to show otherwise?
--
God's spiritual evidence:

Truth, love, wisdom, compassion, knowledge, consciousness, intelligence,
happiness, faith, courage, justice, peace, freedom, and life itself.

God's spiritual evidence is evident in everyone.
Find it and treasure it because it's the covenant of God.
It's the reason why we are given this life on earth.
It's the foundation why we can have meaning in life.

Let's all honor our personal spiritual evidence of God for the sake of
Christ!
Mitchell Holman
2021-06-05 01:32:25 UTC
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Post by aaa
Post by aaa
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Andrew
We know through genetic research that there was no biblical
Adam and Eve !
Without a Creator there would be no male and female humans.
Without a Creator there would be no polio or
smallpox or Alzheimers or AIDS or MS or plague.
Those aren't the results of creation. They are the results of
destruction and sin instead.
Where does the Bible say that?
Where is your reasoning to show otherwise?
Just show us where the Bible backs up
your claim about Biblical creation.
Siri Cruise
2021-06-05 14:31:06 UTC
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Post by Mitchell Holman
Just show us where the Bible backs up
your claim about Biblical creation.
All your human creation questions answerred:



Human Creation Story They DON'T Want You To Know: Anunnaki Gods
Feb 1, 2021

Custodians of ancient knowledge have long known that the mystery
of humanity s origins is far more complicated than widely
accepted notions of natural evolution. They tell us that the gods
of Eden, the Annunaki, planned a destiny for us which is still
being played out through our ongoing obsession with gold.
Evidence of this can be discerned from ancient temples, which
once stood as places for the human elite to commune with these
extraterrestrial gods and bring them the gold that their servants
mined for them. Once we come to terms with this and realize that
we are not alone, then we can rise up and take our place among
the many groups that occupy the celestial realms.

Featuring: Erich von D”
Mitchell Holman
2021-06-05 15:29:50 UTC
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Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by aaa
Post by aaa
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Andrew
We know through genetic research that there was no biblical
Adam and Eve !
Without a Creator there would be no male and female humans.
Without a Creator there would be no polio or
smallpox or Alzheimers or AIDS or MS or plague.
Those aren't the results of creation. They are the results of
destruction and sin instead.
Where does the Bible say that?
Where is your reasoning to show otherwise?
Just show us where the Bible backs up
your claim about Biblical creation.
Who said anything about Bible creation?
What part of "biblical Adam and Eve" in the
conversation above are you not understanding?
John Locke
2021-06-05 17:50:30 UTC
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We know through genetic research that there was no biblical
Adam and Eve !
Without a Creator there would be no male and female humans.
Without a Creator there would be no polio or
smallpox or Alzheimers or AIDS or MS or plague.
Those aren't the results of creation. They are the results of
destruction and sin instead.
Where does the Bible say that?
Where is your reasoning to show otherwise?
Just show us where the Bible backs up
your claim about Biblical creation.
Who said anything about Bible creation?
What part of "biblical Adam and Eve" in the
conversation above are you not understanding?
...the part where the talking serpent told the truth and "God"
lied his ass off !


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aaa
2021-06-05 18:23:25 UTC
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On Sat, 05 Jun 2021 10:29:50 -0500, Mitchell Holman
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by aaa
Post by aaa
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Andrew
We know through genetic research that there was no biblical
Adam and Eve !
Without a Creator there would be no male and female humans.
Without a Creator there would be no polio or
smallpox or Alzheimers or AIDS or MS or plague.
Those aren't the results of creation. They are the results of
destruction and sin instead.
Where does the Bible say that?
Where is your reasoning to show otherwise?
Just show us where the Bible backs up
your claim about Biblical creation.
Who said anything about Bible creation?
What part of "biblical Adam and Eve" in the
conversation above are you not understanding?
...the part where the talking serpent told the truth and "God"
lied his ass off !
False. Adam and Eve died right on the spot. Their God given spirit died.
That's why a sinner is a walking dead just like a zombie.
Post by John Locke
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"There is not enough love and kindness in the world to give any of
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God's spiritual evidence:

Truth, love, wisdom, compassion, knowledge, consciousness, intelligence,
happiness, faith, courage, justice, peace, freedom, and life itself.

God's spiritual evidence is evident in everyone.
Find it and treasure it because it's the covenant of God.
It's the reason why we are given this life on earth.
It's the foundation why we can have meaning in life.

Let's all honor our personal spiritual evidence of God for the sake of
Christ!
Mitchell Holman
2021-06-05 18:51:21 UTC
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Post by John Locke
On Sat, 05 Jun 2021 10:29:50 -0500, Mitchell Holman
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by aaa
Post by aaa
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Andrew
We know through genetic research that there was no biblical
Adam and Eve !
Without a Creator there would be no male and female humans.
Without a Creator there would be no polio or
smallpox or Alzheimers or AIDS or MS or plague.
Those aren't the results of creation. They are the results of
destruction and sin instead.
Where does the Bible say that?
Where is your reasoning to show otherwise?
Just show us where the Bible backs up
your claim about Biblical creation.
Who said anything about Bible creation?
What part of "biblical Adam and Eve" in the
conversation above are you not understanding?
...the part where the talking serpent told the truth and "God"
lied his ass off !
False. Adam and Eve died right on the spot.
Where does the Bible say THAT?
nature bats last
2021-06-06 14:17:18 UTC
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Post by John Locke
On Sat, 05 Jun 2021 10:29:50 -0500, Mitchell Holman
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by aaa
Post by aaa
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Andrew
We know through genetic research that there was no biblical
Adam and Eve !
Without a Creator there would be no male and female humans.
Without a Creator there would be no polio or
smallpox or Alzheimers or AIDS or MS or plague.
Those aren't the results of creation. They are the results of
destruction and sin instead.
Where does the Bible say that?
Where is your reasoning to show otherwise?
Just show us where the Bible backs up
your claim about Biblical creation.
Who said anything about Bible creation?
==
Post by aaa
Post by John Locke
Post by Mitchell Holman
What part of "biblical Adam and Eve" in the
conversation above are you not understanding?
...the part where the talking serpent told the truth and "God"
lied his ass off !
False. Adam and Eve died right on the spot. Their God given spirit died.
That's why a sinner is a walking dead just like a zombie.
Do you sin?



Seth
aaa
2021-06-05 18:19:47 UTC
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Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by aaa
Post by aaa
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Andrew
We know through genetic research that there was no biblical
Adam and Eve !
Without a Creator there would be no male and female humans.
Without a Creator there would be no polio or
smallpox or Alzheimers or AIDS or MS or plague.
Those aren't the results of creation. They are the results of
destruction and sin instead.
Where does the Bible say that?
Where is your reasoning to show otherwise?
Just show us where the Bible backs up
your claim about Biblical creation.
Who said anything about Bible creation?
What part of "biblical Adam and Eve" in the
conversation above are you not understanding?
What does it have to with your diseases?
--
God's spiritual evidence:

Truth, love, wisdom, compassion, knowledge, consciousness, intelligence,
happiness, faith, courage, justice, peace, freedom, and life itself.

God's spiritual evidence is evident in everyone.
Find it and treasure it because it's the covenant of God.
It's the reason why we are given this life on earth.
It's the foundation why we can have meaning in life.

Let's all honor our personal spiritual evidence of God for the sake of
Christ!
Mitchell Holman
2021-06-05 18:50:37 UTC
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Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by aaa
Post by aaa
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Andrew
We know through genetic research that there was no biblical
Adam and Eve !
Without a Creator there would be no male and female humans.
Without a Creator there would be no polio or
smallpox or Alzheimers or AIDS or MS or plague.
Those aren't the results of creation. They are the results of
destruction and sin instead.
Where does the Bible say that?
Where is your reasoning to show otherwise?
Just show us where the Bible backs up
your claim about Biblical creation.
Who said anything about Bible creation?
What part of "biblical Adam and Eve" in the
conversation above are you not understanding?
What does it have to with your diseases?
Who created all these diseases?
aaa
2021-06-06 14:35:09 UTC
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Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by aaa
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by aaa
Post by aaa
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Andrew
We know through genetic research that there was no biblical
Adam and Eve !
Without a Creator there would be no male and female humans.
Without a Creator there would be no polio or
smallpox or Alzheimers or AIDS or MS or plague.
Those aren't the results of creation. They are the results of
destruction and sin instead.
Where does the Bible say that?
Where is your reasoning to show otherwise?
Just show us where the Bible backs up
your claim about Biblical creation.
Who said anything about Bible creation?
What part of "biblical Adam and Eve" in the
conversation above are you not understanding?
What does it have to with your diseases?
Who created all these diseases?
I have told you that. Why ask me again?
--
God's spiritual evidence:

Truth, love, wisdom, compassion, knowledge, consciousness, intelligence,
happiness, faith, courage, justice, peace, freedom, and life itself.

God's spiritual evidence is evident in everyone.
Find it and treasure it because it's the covenant of God.
It's the reason why we are given this life on earth.
It's the foundation why we can have meaning in life.

Let's all honor our personal spiritual evidence of God for the sake of
Christ!
John Locke
2021-06-02 17:33:02 UTC
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Post by Andrew
We know through genetic research that there was no biblical
Adam and Eve !
Without a Creator there would be no male and female humans.
And without a Creator there would be no genetic information
to do research on.
The above statements are ----> scientifically irrefutable.
..The above statements cannot be substantiated and have no
basis in reality !


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2021-06-02 18:39:49 UTC
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Post by Andrew
Without a Creator there would be no male and female humans.
"Look!, a tree; that proves my god exists".
"Look!, a male; that proves my god exists".

LOL.
--
There is no verifiable evidence of any god(s). None whatsoever.
A Jesus is as useful as a Zeus.
Extortion (Believe or Burn) is _THE_ foundation of Christianity.
sycophant - an ass kisser of un-evidenced dictator god.
%
2021-06-02 18:39:38 UTC
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Without a Creator there would be no male and female humans.
"Look!, a tree; that proves my god exists".
"Look!, a male; that proves my god exists".
LOL.
look , an idgit , that proves my god is funny
nature bats last
2021-06-03 04:20:52 UTC
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Post by Andrew
We know through genetic research that there was no biblical
Adam and Eve !
Without a Creator there would be no male and female humans.
<BRAAAPP> !!! Logical error known as "Begging the Question".

Also known as "Assumes the Conclusion" -- assumes that humans just <POOF!>
appeared one day, no ancestors, an antecedents, no forebears.

"Disproves" evolution by assuming there was no evolution.

It's every bit as fallacious as Saint Duke's "Creation proves a Creator".

Seth
Post by Andrew
And without a Creator there would be no genetic information
to do research on.
The above statements are ----> scientifically irrefutable.
Andrew
2021-06-03 11:49:06 UTC
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Post by Andrew
We know through genetic research that there was no biblical
Adam and Eve !
Without a Creator there would be no male and female humans.
<BRAAAPP> !!! Logical error known as "Begging the Question".
Also known as "Assumes the Conclusion" -- assumes that humans just <POOF!>
appeared one day, no ancestors, an antecedents, no forebears.
"Disproves" evolution by assuming there was no evolution.
It's every bit as fallacious as Saint Duke's "Creation proves a Creator".
If you disagree, you need to explain why scientifically (no fantasy).
You can't, and you won't. Which tells us that you have a bias that
you esteem --> greater than the truth.
Post by nature bats last
Seth
Post by Andrew
And without a Creator there would be no genetic information
to do research on.
The above statements are ----> scientifically irrefutable.
Exactly!
nature bats last
2021-06-03 17:02:40 UTC
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Post by Andrew
Post by Andrew
We know through genetic research that there was no biblical
Adam and Eve !
Without a Creator there would be no male and female humans.
<BRAAAPP> !!! Logical error known as "Begging the Question".
Also known as "Assumes the Conclusion" -- assumes that humans just <POOF!>
appeared one day, no ancestors, an antecedents, no forebears.
"Disproves" evolution by assuming there was no evolution.
It's every bit as fallacious as Saint Duke's "Creation proves a Creator".
If you disagree, you need to explain why scientifically (no fantasy).
Explain what? Shuffling and combining genomes creates diversity, and diversity
is the working material of evolution. The alternative is parthenogenesis,
and while that exists, it is far rarer than sexual reproduction. Obviously
species which reproduce sexually are better equipped to deal with
changing environments. It's the difference between having lots
of "ideas" and choosing the most useful ones as opposed to having
one inflexible and unchanging idea, no matter how the challenges
may vary.

Sex isn't limited to "higher" organisms. Even bacteria do it. Constantly.
Via plasmids -- the little fuckers are constantly swapping bits of their genomes
with others; it's one way that pro survival ideas such as antibiotic resistance can
circle the globe in an evolutionary picosecond.
Post by Andrew
You can't, and you won't. Which tells us that you have a bias that
you esteem --> greater than the truth.
Andrew accusing anyone of having a bias which is impervious
to reality is an irony so deep you could drown in it.

One must wonder if you're even capable of seeing that.



Seth
Post by Andrew
Post by Andrew
And without a Creator there would be no genetic information
to do research on.
The above statements are ----> scientifically irrefutable.
Exactly!
nature bats last
2021-06-02 18:46:20 UTC
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Post by Mitchell Holman
God builds a creation that is so
flawed even he cannot live with it.
So much for his "perfection"
Well, He DOES give us all freedom
to make choices. Would you rather
not have that freedom?
And just to make Himdamn certain that we exercise that freedom,
He created Lucifer to be His pitchman for giving it a shot.
And highly successful salesman at that, if your team is to
be believed, convincing countless billions to take advantage
of it.
But then I'm skeptical, as your Book paints a picture of an "omniscient" God
somehow being taken totally by surprise by the way things had
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Post by nature bats last
+ "And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth,
+ and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.
+ And it repented the Lord that he had made man on the earth,
+ and it grieved him at his heart".
Taken totally by surprise. A remarkably human sounding God you got there.
No surprise at all..This world is unique. It is a fallen world.
I think you understand about the and war in heaven when
Satan was cast out.
Right -- the war that God fully foresaw coming even before
he went and created the Leader of that war. Sort of like
if Churchill and FDR and Stalin had gotten together to create Hitler.
Post by Andrew
He eventually tricked our first parents
in the Garden and caused them to sin..
Yep -- again, something that your God fully know was going to
happen, even as He sat back and watched the Serpent -- there's
that creation of His again -- watched the Tempter stroll into
the Garden.

You have to wonder if He glanced around at the angels
at that point and went "Hey! Guys!! Come over here and watch this!
You won't *believe* what's going to happen next!!!".

And then they all had a good laugh.

After which your God threw a massive hissy fit, pretending
that He hadn't seen it coming all along.

Why in the world would anyone want to be trapped in the
presence of a Being who did things like that, with no
escape for ever and ever and ever and ever and ever
and ever and ever and ever?

Really, can you answer that? Why?


https://ibb.co/TLtk3WJ


Seth
Post by Andrew
All from Adam have sinned and would die, except that God
has chosen to take the death penalty Himself. Which He did.
If you reject His offer of salvation, you may pay the penalty
yourself. Which you apparently have decided to do.
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Seth
Post by Andrew
The next judgment from God will
not be by water, but rather by fire.
The destiny of those who continue
to rebel against their Maker, God.
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2021-06-02 18:54:18 UTC
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Post by Andrew
Post by Mitchell Holman
God builds a creation that is so
flawed even he cannot live with it.
So much for his "perfection"
Well, He DOES give us all freedom
to make choices. Would you rather
not have that freedom?
And just to make Himdamn certain that we exercise that freedom,
He created Lucifer to be His pitchman for giving it a shot.
And highly successful salesman at that, if your team is to
be believed, convincing countless billions to take advantage
of it.
But then I'm skeptical, as your Book paints a picture of an "omniscient" God
somehow being taken totally by surprise by the way things had
==
Post by Andrew
Post by nature bats last
+ "And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth,
+ and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.
+ And it repented the Lord that he had made man on the earth,
+ and it grieved him at his heart".
Taken totally by surprise. A remarkably human sounding God you got there.
No surprise at all..This world is unique. It is a fallen world.
I think you understand about the and war in heaven when
Satan was cast out.
Right -- the war that God fully foresaw coming even before
he went and created the Leader of that war. Sort of like
if Churchill and FDR and Stalin had gotten together to create Hitler.
Post by Andrew
He eventually tricked our first parents
in the Garden and caused them to sin..
Yep -- again, something that your God fully know was going to
happen, even as He sat back and watched the Serpent -- there's
that creation of His again -- watched the Tempter stroll into
the Garden.
You have to wonder if He glanced around at the angels
at that point and went "Hey! Guys!! Come over here and watch this!
You won't *believe* what's going to happen next!!!".
And then they all had a good laugh.
After which your God threw a massive hissy fit, pretending
that He hadn't seen it coming all along.
Why in the world would anyone want to be trapped in the
presence of a Being who did things like that, with no
escape for ever and ever and ever and ever and ever
and ever and ever and ever?
Really, can you answer that? Why?
https://ibb.co/TLtk3WJ
Seth
Post by Andrew
All from Adam have sinned and would die, except that God
has chosen to take the death penalty Himself. Which He did.
If you reject His offer of salvation, you may pay the penalty
yourself. Which you apparently have decided to do.
Post by nature bats last
Seth
Post by Andrew
The next judgment from God will
not be by water, but rather by fire.
The destiny of those who continue
to rebel against their Maker, God.
who knows why but here you are doing it
Christopher A. Lee
2021-06-02 11:19:29 UTC
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Post by Andrew
Post by Mitchell Holman
God builds a creation that is so
flawed even he cannot live with it.
So much for his "perfection"
Andrew doesn't understand "assuming for the sake of argument" as part
of a reductio disproof.
Post by nature bats last
Post by Andrew
Well, He DOES give us all freedom
to make choices. Would you rather
not have that freedom?
WHO DOES, question-begging moron?
Post by nature bats last
And just to make Himdamn certain that we exercise that freedom,
He created Lucifer to be His pitchman for giving it a shot.
And highly successful salesman at that, if your team is to
be believed, convincing countless billions to take advantage
of it.
But then I'm skeptical, as your Book paints a picture of an "omniscient" God
somehow being taken totally by surprise by the way things had
+ "And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth,
+ and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.
+ And it repented the Lord that he had made man on the earth,
+ and it grieved him at his heart".
Taken totally by surprise. A remarkably human sounding God you got there.
Andrew is insane - not just for his beliefs, but his delusion that
everybody else grants them even when they clearly don't.
Mitchell Holman
2021-06-02 01:33:03 UTC
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Post by Mitchell Holman
God builds a creation that is so
flawed even he cannot live with it.
So much for his "perfection"
Well, He DOES give us all freedom
to make choices. Would you rather
not have that freedom?
What freedom?

The "love me or burn in hell" freedom"?

The "original sin I put in everyone" freedom?

The freedom to enslave others freedom?
Christopher A. Lee
2021-06-02 11:20:39 UTC
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Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Andrew
Post by Mitchell Holman
God builds a creation that is so
flawed even he cannot live with it.
So much for his "perfection"
Well, He DOES give us all freedom
to make choices. Would you rather
not have that freedom?
What a fucking moron.
Post by Mitchell Holman
What freedom?
The "love me or burn in hell" freedom"?
The "original sin I put in everyone" freedom?
The freedom to enslave others freedom?
He's certifiable.
aaa
2021-06-03 14:12:01 UTC
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Post by Andrew
Post by Mitchell Holman
God builds a creation that is so
flawed even he cannot live with it.
So much for his "perfection"
Well, He DOES give us all freedom
to make choices. Would you rather
not have that freedom?
What freedom?
The "love me or burn in hell" freedom"?
The "original sin I put in everyone" freedom?
The freedom to enslave others freedom?
That's just your misinterpretation. Sin has nothing to do with God, and
there is no freedom in the bondage of sin. That's why freedom is only
found in God.
--
God's spiritual evidence:

Truth, love, wisdom, compassion, knowledge, consciousness, intelligence,
happiness, faith, courage, justice, peace, freedom, and life itself.

God's spiritual evidence is evident in everyone.
Find it and treasure it because it's the covenant of God.
It's the reason why we are given this life on earth.
It's the foundation why we can have meaning in life.

Let's all honor our personal spiritual evidence of God for the sake of
Christ!
Mitchell Holman
2021-06-03 17:41:22 UTC
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Post by aaa
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Andrew
Post by Mitchell Holman
God builds a creation that is so
flawed even he cannot live with it.
So much for his "perfection"
Well, He DOES give us all freedom
to make choices. Would you rather
not have that freedom?
What freedom?
The "love me or burn in hell" freedom"?
The "original sin I put in everyone" freedom?
The freedom to enslave others freedom?
That's just your misinterpretation. Sin has nothing to do with God, and
there is no freedom in the bondage of sin.
God created sin, he defined sin, he
punishes sin, but he has nothing to do with
sin? Seriously?
aaa
2021-06-03 18:41:23 UTC
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Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by aaa
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Andrew
Post by Mitchell Holman
God builds a creation that is so
flawed even he cannot live with it.
So much for his "perfection"
Well, He DOES give us all freedom
to make choices. Would you rather
not have that freedom?
What freedom?
The "love me or burn in hell" freedom"?
The "original sin I put in everyone" freedom?
The freedom to enslave others freedom?
That's just your misinterpretation. Sin has nothing to do with God, and
there is no freedom in the bondage of sin.
God created sin, he defined sin, he
punishes sin, but he has nothing to do with
sin? Seriously?
Yes. The one who defines evil has nothing to do with evil. The one who
defines sin has nothing to do with sin. This is why only God can judge
both evil and sin.
--
God's spiritual evidence:

Truth, love, wisdom, compassion, knowledge, consciousness, intelligence,
happiness, faith, courage, justice, peace, freedom, and life itself.

God's spiritual evidence is evident in everyone.
Find it and treasure it because it's the covenant of God.
It's the reason why we are given this life on earth.
It's the foundation why we can have meaning in life.

Let's all honor our personal spiritual evidence of God for the sake of
Christ!
Mitchell Holman
2021-06-03 18:51:37 UTC
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Post by Mitchell Holman
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Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Andrew
Post by Mitchell Holman
God builds a creation that is so
flawed even he cannot live with it.
So much for his "perfection"
Well, He DOES give us all freedom
to make choices. Would you rather
not have that freedom?
What freedom?
The "love me or burn in hell" freedom"?
The "original sin I put in everyone" freedom?
The freedom to enslave others freedom?
That's just your misinterpretation. Sin has nothing to do with God, and
there is no freedom in the bondage of sin.
God created sin, he defined sin, he
punishes sin, but he has nothing to do with
sin? Seriously?
Yes. The one who defines evil has nothing to do with evil. The one who
defines sin has nothing to do with sin. This is why only God can judge
both evil and sin.
God creates sin

God creates evil

But God has nothing to do
with either one?
aaa
2021-06-03 19:19:46 UTC
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Post by Mitchell Holman
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Post by Andrew
Post by Mitchell Holman
God builds a creation that is so
flawed even he cannot live with it.
So much for his "perfection"
Well, He DOES give us all freedom
to make choices. Would you rather
not have that freedom?
What freedom?
The "love me or burn in hell" freedom"?
The "original sin I put in everyone" freedom?
The freedom to enslave others freedom?
That's just your misinterpretation. Sin has nothing to do with God,
and
Post by aaa
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by aaa
there is no freedom in the bondage of sin.
God created sin, he defined sin, he
punishes sin, but he has nothing to do with
sin? Seriously?
Yes. The one who defines evil has nothing to do with evil. The one who
defines sin has nothing to do with sin. This is why only God can judge
both evil and sin.
God creates sin
God creates evil
But God has nothing to do
with either one?
Exactly, that's because God created them by being what they are not.
--
God's spiritual evidence:

Truth, love, wisdom, compassion, knowledge, consciousness, intelligence,
happiness, faith, courage, justice, peace, freedom, and life itself.

God's spiritual evidence is evident in everyone.
Find it and treasure it because it's the covenant of God.
It's the reason why we are given this life on earth.
It's the foundation why we can have meaning in life.

Let's all honor our personal spiritual evidence of God for the sake of
Christ!
nature bats last
2021-06-02 02:31:12 UTC
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Post by Andrew
Post by Mitchell Holman
God builds a creation that is so
flawed even he cannot live with it.
So much for his "perfection"
Well, He DOES give us all freedom
to make choices.
And then yanks it away if you're "lucky" enough to make it
to heaven, right?

Otherwise, people being people, heaven would soon
be full to the brim with fresh sin.

Right?


Seth
Post by Andrew
Would you rather
not have that freedom?
The next judgment from God will
not be by water, but rather by fire.
The destiny of those who continue
to rebel against their Maker, God.
Andrew
2021-06-02 08:59:56 UTC
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Post by Andrew
Post by Mitchell Holman
God builds a creation that is so
flawed even he cannot live with it.
So much for his "perfection"
Well, He DOES give us all freedom
to make choices.
And then yanks it away if you're "lucky" enough to make it
to heaven, right?
Otherwise, people being people, heaven would soon
be full to the brim with fresh sin.
Right?
No, because you won't be there. You and
all the other rebels against the LORD are
going to be *consumed* - burned up!

"The destruction of the transgressors and
of the sinners shall be together, and they
that forsake the LORD shall be consumed.
~ Isaiah 1:28

"Let the sinners be consumed out of the
earth, and let the wicked be no more."
~ Psalm 104:35

"Nevertheless we, according to His
promise look for new heavens and
a new earth in which righteousness
dwells." ~ 2 Peter 3:13

"For, behold, I create new heavens and
a new earth: and the former shall not
be remembered, nor come into mind."
~ Isaiah 65:17
John Locke
2021-06-02 15:00:54 UTC
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Post by Andrew
Post by Mitchell Holman
God builds a creation that is so
flawed even he cannot live with it.
So much for his "perfection"
Well, He DOES give us all freedom
to make choices.
And then yanks it away if you're "lucky" enough to make it
to heaven, right?
Otherwise, people being people, heaven would soon
be full to the brim with fresh sin.
Right?
No, because you won't be there. You and
all the other rebels against the LORD are
going to be *consumed* - burned up!
"The destruction of the transgressors and
of the sinners shall be together, and they
that forsake the LORD shall be consumed.
~ Isaiah 1:28
"Let the sinners be consumed out of the
earth, and let the wicked be no more."
~ Psalm 104:35
"Nevertheless we, according to His
promise look for new heavens and
a new earth in which righteousness
dwells." ~ 2 Peter 3:13
"For, behold, I create new heavens and
a new earth: and the former shall not
be remembered, nor come into mind."
~ Isaiah 65:17
...if you actually beleive this Biblical bullshit, you're in
dire need of a trip to the funny farm !


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nature bats last
2021-06-02 18:55:47 UTC
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Post by Andrew
Post by nature bats last
Post by Andrew
Post by Mitchell Holman
God builds a creation that is so
flawed even he cannot live with it.
So much for his "perfection"
==
Post by Andrew
Post by nature bats last
Post by Andrew
Well, He DOES give us all freedom
to make choices.
And then yanks it away if you're "lucky" enough to make it
to heaven, right?
Otherwise, people being people, heaven would soon
be full to the brim with fresh sin.
Right?
No, because you won't be there. You and
all the other rebels against the LORD are
going to be *consumed* - burned up!
Are you intentionally dodging my point, or did you just not
understand it?

Either way, let's try again: if mere humans have the ability to
sin, then sooner or later -- and eternity is a whole lot of later --
they will sin.

The only way to prevent sin in heaven, therefore, is to
take away that "freedom to make choices" you started
this with. You know: a cosmic theological lobotomy.

Or are you telling us that you -- you and everyone else
who (for some inexplicable reason) want to end
up in heaven -- you are so perfect and sinless and God like
that you are utterly incapable of sinning, even one time
during a time that will never end?

Is that perfection really what you claim about yourself?


Seth
Post by Andrew
"The destruction of the transgressors and
of the sinners shall be together, and they
that forsake the LORD shall be consumed.
~ Isaiah 1:28
"Let the sinners be consumed out of the
earth, and let the wicked be no more."
~ Psalm 104:35
"Nevertheless we, according to His
promise look for new heavens and
a new earth in which righteousness
dwells." ~ 2 Peter 3:13
"For, behold, I create new heavens and
a new earth: and the former shall not
be remembered, nor come into mind."
~ Isaiah 65:17
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2021-06-02 19:02:58 UTC
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Post by nature bats last
Post by Andrew
Post by nature bats last
Post by Andrew
Post by Mitchell Holman
God builds a creation that is so
flawed even he cannot live with it.
So much for his "perfection"
==
Post by Andrew
Post by nature bats last
Post by Andrew
Well, He DOES give us all freedom
to make choices.
And then yanks it away if you're "lucky" enough to make it
to heaven, right?
Otherwise, people being people, heaven would soon
be full to the brim with fresh sin.
Right?
No, because you won't be there. You and
all the other rebels against the LORD are
going to be *consumed* - burned up!
Are you intentionally dodging my point, or did you just not
understand it?
Either way, let's try again: if mere humans have the ability to
sin, then sooner or later -- and eternity is a whole lot of later --
they will sin.
The only way to prevent sin in heaven, therefore, is to
take away that "freedom to make choices" you started
this with. You know: a cosmic theological lobotomy.
Or are you telling us that you -- you and everyone else
who (for some inexplicable reason) want to end
up in heaven -- you are so perfect and sinless and God like
that you are utterly incapable of sinning, even one time
during a time that will never end?
Is that perfection really what you claim about yourself?
Seth
Post by Andrew
"The destruction of the transgressors and
of the sinners shall be together, and they
that forsake the LORD shall be consumed.
~ Isaiah 1:28
"Let the sinners be consumed out of the
earth, and let the wicked be no more."
~ Psalm 104:35
"Nevertheless we, according to His
promise look for new heavens and
a new earth in which righteousness
dwells." ~ 2 Peter 3:13
"For, behold, I create new heavens and
a new earth: and the former shall not
be remembered, nor come into mind."
~ Isaiah 65:17
yes that's right
aaa
2021-06-04 12:48:26 UTC
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Post by nature bats last
Post by Andrew
Post by nature bats last
Post by Andrew
Post by Mitchell Holman
God builds a creation that is so
flawed even he cannot live with it.
So much for his "perfection"
==
Post by Andrew
Post by nature bats last
Post by Andrew
Well, He DOES give us all freedom
to make choices.
And then yanks it away if you're "lucky" enough to make it
to heaven, right?
Otherwise, people being people, heaven would soon
be full to the brim with fresh sin.
Right?
No, because you won't be there. You and
all the other rebels against the LORD are
going to be *consumed* - burned up!
Are you intentionally dodging my point, or did you just not
understand it?
Either way, let's try again: if mere humans have the ability to
sin, then sooner or later -- and eternity is a whole lot of later --
they will sin.
The only way to prevent sin in heaven, therefore, is to
take away that "freedom to make choices" you started
this with. You know: a cosmic theological lobotomy.
Not at all. It's not by removing the choice. It's by recognizing that
the choice to sin is never any choice to begin with. In order to
accomplish that, we must rely on the wisdom of Christ. In order to
receive the wisdom of Christ, we must be born again to receive and
resurrect the spirit of Christ in our heart. When you are born again
with the spirit of Christ as your Lord who is your true Self, the choice
to sin becomes the choice to commit suicide. Therefore, by the nature of
your own Christ Consciousness, you will never sin again.
Post by nature bats last
Or are you telling us that you -- you and everyone else
who (for some inexplicable reason) want to end
up in heaven -- you are so perfect and sinless and God like
that you are utterly incapable of sinning, even one time
during a time that will never end?
It's never because of me. It's always because of Christ.
Post by nature bats last
Is that perfection really what you claim about yourself?
No. Such perfection only belongs to Christ.

Who am I? You ask.

I'm a bubble in the sea enjoying the ride. I don't claim the power of
the roaring sea.
Post by nature bats last
Seth
Post by Andrew
"The destruction of the transgressors and
of the sinners shall be together, and they
that forsake the LORD shall be consumed.
~ Isaiah 1:28
"Let the sinners be consumed out of the
earth, and let the wicked be no more."
~ Psalm 104:35
"Nevertheless we, according to His
promise look for new heavens and
a new earth in which righteousness
dwells." ~ 2 Peter 3:13
"For, behold, I create new heavens and
a new earth: and the former shall not
be remembered, nor come into mind."
~ Isaiah 65:17
--
God's spiritual evidence:

Truth, love, wisdom, compassion, knowledge, consciousness, intelligence,
happiness, faith, courage, justice, peace, freedom, and life itself.

God's spiritual evidence is evident in everyone.
Find it and treasure it because it's the covenant of God.
It's the reason why we are given this life on earth.
It's the foundation why we can have meaning in life.

Let's all honor our personal spiritual evidence of God for the sake of
Christ!
Ted
2021-06-01 23:40:42 UTC
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On Mon, 31 May 2021 22:55:01 -0700, "Andrew"
Post by Andrew
Post by John Locke
Post by Andrew
Post by John Locke
Post by Andrew
Diversity and adaptation has been continuously
going on ~ after Creation > by the living God.
..no it isn't.
Post by Andrew
Some call this ~ evolution. But this can happen
only within genetic limits. Therefore the idea that
life may evolve into a higher taxonomic category
is an unscientific deception, which has deceived
the gullible masses, including our atheist friends.
...evolution theory fully explains the diversity of life on his
planet. Evolution theory has been rigorously tested and
has never failed. It's a done deal..a fact of nature.
Did you fail to see the above? The diversity of life
has been continuously going on..after Creation, by
----> the living God; and only within genetic limits.
...you have no " living God". There was no creation !
John, it is futile to fight against the truth.
Post by John Locke
Post by Andrew
Therefore the idea that life may evolve into a higher
taxonomic category is an unscientific deception,
which has deceived the gullible masses, including
our atheist friends
...life evolved naturally from...... ...........
..from Creation..diversity and adaptation has
been continuously going on ~ after Creation
by>the living God. All glory to Him, forever.
Post by John Locke
ancient primitive life forms to complex life forms
The idea that life may evolve into higher taxonomic
categories is an "unscientific deception", which has
deceived the gullible masses, including most of our
atheist friends.
Post by John Locke
we see today.
Creation has devolved to what we see today.
There was no imperfection at the beginning.
Post by John Locke
This has been rigorously verified through
genetics, the fossil record, comparative anatomy, embryology
and a host of other scientific disciples.
All points to Creation.
Post by John Locke
This is NOT debatable.
Truth is never afraid of debate.
But falsehood shouts, "This is NOT debatable." c
Post by John Locke
Evolution theory is a fact of nature. It's a done deal.
Only after Creation by our Creator. All glory to Him!
Post by John Locke
Post by Andrew
Post by John Locke
The same
can't be said for your "creationism" delusion ! You don't
get to redefine nature just because it doesn't co-inside
with your absurd religious views !
So we can see folks, that our friend John ~ is one
of the deceived.
..no Andrew...you're the one who has been deceived...
by medieval superstition !
Yet I have scientific evidence, whereas
you have a doctrine built upon fantasy.
John, it is futile for you to fight against
the truth.
So give it up.
It's what you do.
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