Canada To Move Away From Socialized Medicine

[Eddie Haskell]

While we plunge headlong into it because democrats are incapable of
learning. All the children know is "I want it! Wah! I want it! Gimmie!
gimmie! Wah wah.."

"It's interesting that as Obama and the Dems push towards government control
in every area of America that they can justify (currently health care),
other countries are moving away from it. As an example Canada has had
socialized medicine for years, and it is the type of single-payer system we
would have under Obamunism. However, as reported by the AP, Canada is
considering moving back to private health care delivery. Why? Because the
system as it is is imploding:"

"SASKATOON - The incoming president of the Canadian Medical Association says
this country's health-care system is sick and doctors need to develop a plan
to cure it."

""We know that there must be change," she said. "We're all running flat out,
we're all just trying to stay ahead of the immediate day-to-day demands.""

"The pitch for change at the conference is to start with a presentation from
Dr. Robert Ouellet, the current president of the CMA, who has said there's a
critical need to make Canada's health-care system patient-centred. He will
present details from his fact-finding trip to Europe in January, where he
met with health groups in England, Denmark, Belgium, Netherlands and
France."

"His thoughts on the issue are already clear. Ouellet has been saying since
his return that "a health-care revolution has passed us by," that it's
possible to make wait lists disappear while maintaining universal coverage
and "that competition should be welcomed, not feared."
In other words, Ouellet believes there could be a role for private
health-care delivery within the public system."

http://www.deadfishwrapper.com/blog/canada-considering-moving-away-socialized-health-care-fish-wrapper-will-ignore

-Eddie Haskell

[wy]

Post by Eddie Haskell
While we plunge headlong into it because democrats are incapable of
learning. All the children know is "I want it! Wah! I want it! Gimmie!
gimmie! Wah wah.."
"It's interesting that as Obama and the Dems push towards government control
in every area of America that they can justify (currently health care),
other countries are moving away from it.  As an example Canada has had
socialized medicine for years, and it is the type of single-payer system we
would have under Obamunism.  However, as reported by the AP, Canada is
considering moving back to private health care delivery.  Why?  Because the
system as it is is imploding:"
"SASKATOON - The incoming president of the Canadian Medical Association says
this country's health-care system is sick and doctors need to develop a plan
to cure it."
""We know that there must be change," she said. "We're all running flat out,
we're all just trying to stay ahead of the immediate day-to-day demands.""
"The pitch for change at the conference is to start with a presentation from
Dr. Robert Ouellet, the current president of the CMA, who has said there's a
critical need to make Canada's health-care system patient-centred. He will
present details from his fact-finding trip to Europe in January, where he
met with health groups in England, Denmark, Belgium, Netherlands and
France."
"His thoughts on the issue are already clear. Ouellet has been saying since
his return that "a health-care revolution has passed us by," that it's
possible to make wait lists disappear while maintaining universal coverage
and "that competition should be welcomed, not feared."
In other words, Ouellet believes there could be a role for private
health-care delivery within the public system."
http://www.deadfishwrapper.com/blog/canada-considering-moving-away-so...

The name of the site is very apropos because that's where that news
item exactly belongs, in a dead fish wrapper. So dream on, Eddie, but
it ain't gonna happen, especially since there's no love for the
private system among Canadians, otherwise we would've had it ages ago,
and the minority Conservative government has no means to pull it off
as the opposition MPs in parliament clearly outnumber the Conservative
MP count. It was a nice thought while it lasted for right wingnuts.

[Eddie Haskell]

Post by Eddie Haskell
While we plunge headlong into it because democrats are incapable of
learning. All the children know is "I want it! Wah! I want it! Gimmie!
gimmie! Wah wah.."
"It's interesting that as Obama and the Dems push towards government control
in every area of America that they can justify (currently health care),
other countries are moving away from it. As an example Canada has had
socialized medicine for years, and it is the type of single-payer system we
would have under Obamunism. However, as reported by the AP, Canada is
considering moving back to private health care delivery. Why? Because the
system as it is is imploding:"
"SASKATOON - The incoming president of the Canadian Medical Association says
this country's health-care system is sick and doctors need to develop a plan
to cure it."
""We know that there must be change," she said. "We're all running flat out,
we're all just trying to stay ahead of the immediate day-to-day demands.""
"The pitch for change at the conference is to start with a presentation from
Dr. Robert Ouellet, the current president of the CMA, who has said there's a
critical need to make Canada's health-care system patient-centred. He will
present details from his fact-finding trip to Europe in January, where he
met with health groups in England, Denmark, Belgium, Netherlands and
France."
"His thoughts on the issue are already clear. Ouellet has been saying since
his return that "a health-care revolution has passed us by," that it's
possible to make wait lists disappear while maintaining universal coverage
and "that competition should be welcomed, not feared."
In other words, Ouellet believes there could be a role for private
health-care delivery within the public system."
http://www.deadfishwrapper.com/blog/canada-considering-moving-away-so...
The name of the site is very apropos because that's where that news
item exactly belongs, in a dead fish wrapper. So dream on, Eddie, but
it ain't gonna happen, especially since there's no love for the
private system among Canadians

I just love it when a plan comes together.

""This was my heart, my choice and my health," Williams said late Monday
from his condominium in Sarasota, Fla."

""I did not sign away my right to get the best possible health care for
myself when I entered politics.""

Did you get that? "Best possible healthcare?"

heh heh..

Man, being me..

heh heh..

http://www.cbc.ca/canada/newfoundland-labrador/story/2010/02/23/nl-williams-heartcp-230210.html#ixzz1BQNDi28S

Oh, and just to pile on:

http://www.cbc.ca/health/story/2007/10/15/waittimes-fraser.html

-Eddie Haskell

[wy]

Post by Eddie Haskell

Post by Eddie Haskell
While we plunge headlong into it because democrats are incapable of
learning. All the children know is "I want it! Wah! I want it! Gimmie!
gimmie! Wah wah.."
"It's interesting that as Obama and the Dems push towards government control
in every area of America that they can justify (currently health care),
other countries are moving away from it. As an example Canada has had
socialized medicine for years, and it is the type of single-payer system we
would have under Obamunism. However, as reported by the AP, Canada is
considering moving back to private health care delivery. Why? Because the
system as it is is imploding:"
"SASKATOON - The incoming president of the Canadian Medical Association says
this country's health-care system is sick and doctors need to develop a plan
to cure it."
""We know that there must be change," she said. "We're all running flat out,
we're all just trying to stay ahead of the immediate day-to-day demands.""
"The pitch for change at the conference is to start with a presentation from
Dr. Robert Ouellet, the current president of the CMA, who has said there's a
critical need to make Canada's health-care system patient-centred. He will
present details from his fact-finding trip to Europe in January, where he
met with health groups in England, Denmark, Belgium, Netherlands and
France."
"His thoughts on the issue are already clear. Ouellet has been saying since
his return that "a health-care revolution has passed us by," that it's
possible to make wait lists disappear while maintaining universal coverage
and "that competition should be welcomed, not feared."
In other words, Ouellet believes there could be a role for private
health-care delivery within the public system."
http://www.deadfishwrapper.com/blog/canada-considering-moving-away-so...
The name of the site is very apropos because that's where that news
item exactly belongs, in a dead fish wrapper.  So dream on, Eddie, but
it ain't gonna happen, especially since there's no love for the
private system among Canadians

I just love it when a plan comes together.
""This was my heart, my choice and my health," Williams said late Monday
from his condominium in Sarasota, Fla."
""I did not sign away my right to get the best possible health care for
myself when I entered politics.""
Did you get that? "Best possible healthcare?"
heh heh..
Man, being me..
heh heh..
http://www.cbc.ca/canada/newfoundland-labrador/story/2010/02/23/nl-wi...
http://www.cbc.ca/health/story/2007/10/15/waittimes-fraser.html

You call that something? This is something: Medical Errors Cost US
$8.8 Billion, Result In 238,337 Potentially Preventable Deaths, Study
Shows.

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/04/080408085458.htm

Williams was playing Russian roulette with the US system and he was
only lucky to come out of it alive, that's all.

Ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-haaaaaaaaaa............

[Eddie Haskell]

Post by Eddie Haskell

Post by Eddie Haskell
While we plunge headlong into it because democrats are incapable of
learning. All the children know is "I want it! Wah! I want it! Gimmie!
gimmie! Wah wah.."
"It's interesting that as Obama and the Dems push towards government control
in every area of America that they can justify (currently health care),
other countries are moving away from it. As an example Canada has had
socialized medicine for years, and it is the type of single-payer system we
would have under Obamunism. However, as reported by the AP, Canada is
considering moving back to private health care delivery. Why? Because the
system as it is is imploding:"
"SASKATOON - The incoming president of the Canadian Medical Association says
this country's health-care system is sick and doctors need to develop a plan
to cure it."
""We know that there must be change," she said. "We're all running flat out,
we're all just trying to stay ahead of the immediate day-to-day demands.""
"The pitch for change at the conference is to start with a presentation from
Dr. Robert Ouellet, the current president of the CMA, who has said
there's
a
critical need to make Canada's health-care system patient-centred. He will
present details from his fact-finding trip to Europe in January, where he
met with health groups in England, Denmark, Belgium, Netherlands and
France."
"His thoughts on the issue are already clear. Ouellet has been saying since
his return that "a health-care revolution has passed us by," that it's
possible to make wait lists disappear while maintaining universal coverage
and "that competition should be welcomed, not feared."
In other words, Ouellet believes there could be a role for private
health-care delivery within the public system."
http://www.deadfishwrapper.com/blog/canada-considering-moving-away-so...
The name of the site is very apropos because that's where that news
item exactly belongs, in a dead fish wrapper. So dream on, Eddie, but
it ain't gonna happen, especially since there's no love for the
private system among Canadians

I just love it when a plan comes together.
""This was my heart, my choice and my health," Williams said late Monday
from his condominium in Sarasota, Fla."
""I did not sign away my right to get the best possible health care for
myself when I entered politics.""
Did you get that? "Best possible healthcare?"
heh heh..
Man, being me..
heh heh..
http://www.cbc.ca/canada/newfoundland-labrador/story/2010/02/23/nl-wi...
http://www.cbc.ca/health/story/2007/10/15/waittimes-fraser.html
You call that something? This is something: Medical Errors Cost US
$8.8 Billion, Result In 238,337 Potentially Preventable Deaths, Study
Shows.

In the most litigious, ambulance chasing, lawyer driven society on earth
thanks to democrats, as they are their single largest contributors? Very
impressive.

"The Economic Cost of Wait Times in Canada"

"This study, carried out by The Centre for Spatial Economics, estimates the
cost of waiting for 4 priority
areas to be $14.8 billion."

http://www.cma.ca/multimedia/CMA/Content_Images/Inside_cma/Media_Release/pdf/2008/EconomicReport.pdf

"Wait times for surgery in Canada at all-time high: study"

http://www.cbc.ca/health/story/2007/10/15/waittimes-fraser.html#ixzz1BVvDwNZp

Post by Eddie Haskell
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/04/080408085458.htm
Williams was playing Russian roulette with the US system and he was
only lucky to come out of it alive, that's all.

""This was my heart, my choice and my health," Williams said late Monday
from his condominium in Sarasota, Fla."

""I did not sign away my right to get the best possible health care for
myself when I entered politics.""

Did you get that? "Best possible healthcare?"

You lose again.

-Eddie Haskell

[wy]

Post by Eddie Haskell

Post by Eddie Haskell

Post by Eddie Haskell
While we plunge headlong into it because democrats are incapable of
learning. All the children know is "I want it! Wah! I want it! Gimmie!
gimmie! Wah wah.."
"It's interesting that as Obama and the Dems push towards government control
in every area of America that they can justify (currently health care),
other countries are moving away from it. As an example Canada has had
socialized medicine for years, and it is the type of single-payer system we
would have under Obamunism. However, as reported by the AP, Canada is
considering moving back to private health care delivery. Why? Because the
system as it is is imploding:"
"SASKATOON - The incoming president of the Canadian Medical Association says
this country's health-care system is sick and doctors need to develop a plan
to cure it."
""We know that there must be change," she said. "We're all running flat out,
we're all just trying to stay ahead of the immediate day-to-day demands.""
"The pitch for change at the conference is to start with a presentation from
Dr. Robert Ouellet, the current president of the CMA, who has said
there's
a
critical need to make Canada's health-care system patient-centred. He will
present details from his fact-finding trip to Europe in January, where he
met with health groups in England, Denmark, Belgium, Netherlands and
France."
"His thoughts on the issue are already clear. Ouellet has been saying since
his return that "a health-care revolution has passed us by," that it's
possible to make wait lists disappear while maintaining universal coverage
and "that competition should be welcomed, not feared."
In other words, Ouellet believes there could be a role for private
health-care delivery within the public system."
http://www.deadfishwrapper.com/blog/canada-considering-moving-away-so...
The name of the site is very apropos because that's where that news
item exactly belongs, in a dead fish wrapper. So dream on, Eddie, but
it ain't gonna happen, especially since there's no love for the
private system among Canadians

I just love it when a plan comes together.
""This was my heart, my choice and my health," Williams said late Monday
from his condominium in Sarasota, Fla."
""I did not sign away my right to get the best possible health care for
myself when I entered politics.""
Did you get that? "Best possible healthcare?"
heh heh..
Man, being me..
heh heh..
http://www.cbc.ca/canada/newfoundland-labrador/story/2010/02/23/nl-wi...
http://www.cbc.ca/health/story/2007/10/15/waittimes-fraser.html
You call that something?  This is something: Medical Errors Cost US
$8.8 Billion, Result In 238,337 Potentially Preventable Deaths, Study
Shows.

In the most litigious, ambulance chasing, lawyer driven society on earth
thanks to democrats, as they are their single largest contributors? Very
impressive.
"The Economic Cost of Wait Times in Canada"
"This study, carried out by The Centre for Spatial Economics, estimates the
cost of waiting for 4 priority
areas to be $14.8 billion."

A meaningless study since the important thing is that patients came
through the waiting times alive, as opposed to the nearly quarter of a
million who died needlessly in the US when actually going through
surgeries and treatment. Not to mention that even if the cost of
$14.8 billion were remotely true (there was no explanation as to how
they arrived at that figure), it's still within a GDP of 10% compared
to the US's now 17% for health care. You're not convincingly winning
any arguments, you know, so give it up while you're behind.

[Eddie Haskell]

Post by Eddie Haskell

Post by Eddie Haskell

Post by Eddie Haskell
While we plunge headlong into it because democrats are incapable of
learning. All the children know is "I want it! Wah! I want it! Gimmie!
gimmie! Wah wah.."
"It's interesting that as Obama and the Dems push towards government control
in every area of America that they can justify (currently health care),
other countries are moving away from it. As an example Canada has had
socialized medicine for years, and it is the type of single-payer
system
we
would have under Obamunism. However, as reported by the AP, Canada is
considering moving back to private health care delivery. Why? Because the
system as it is is imploding:"
"SASKATOON - The incoming president of the Canadian Medical
Association
says
this country's health-care system is sick and doctors need to develop
a
plan
to cure it."
""We know that there must be change," she said. "We're all running
flat
out,
we're all just trying to stay ahead of the immediate day-to-day demands.""
"The pitch for change at the conference is to start with a
presentation
from
Dr. Robert Ouellet, the current president of the CMA, who has said
there's
a
critical need to make Canada's health-care system patient-centred. He will
present details from his fact-finding trip to Europe in January, where he
met with health groups in England, Denmark, Belgium, Netherlands and
France."
"His thoughts on the issue are already clear. Ouellet has been saying since
his return that "a health-care revolution has passed us by," that it's
possible to make wait lists disappear while maintaining universal coverage
and "that competition should be welcomed, not feared."
In other words, Ouellet believes there could be a role for private
health-care delivery within the public system."
http://www.deadfishwrapper.com/blog/canada-considering-moving-away-so...
The name of the site is very apropos because that's where that news
item exactly belongs, in a dead fish wrapper. So dream on, Eddie, but
it ain't gonna happen, especially since there's no love for the
private system among Canadians

I just love it when a plan comes together.
""This was my heart, my choice and my health," Williams said late Monday
from his condominium in Sarasota, Fla."
""I did not sign away my right to get the best possible health care for
myself when I entered politics.""
Did you get that? "Best possible healthcare?"
heh heh..
Man, being me..
heh heh..
http://www.cbc.ca/canada/newfoundland-labrador/story/2010/02/23/nl-wi...
http://www.cbc.ca/health/story/2007/10/15/waittimes-fraser.html
You call that something? This is something: Medical Errors Cost US
$8.8 Billion, Result In 238,337 Potentially Preventable Deaths, Study
Shows.

In the most litigious, ambulance chasing, lawyer driven society on earth
thanks to democrats, as they are their single largest contributors? Very
impressive.
"The Economic Cost of Wait Times in Canada"
"This study, carried out by The Centre for Spatial Economics, estimates the
cost of waiting for 4 priority
areas to be $14.8 billion."
A meaningless study since the important thing is that patients came
through the waiting times alive,

How many die because of wait times? Why did you delete where I addressed
that?

Post by Eddie Haskell
as opposed to the nearly quarter of a
million who died needlessly in the US when actually going through
surgeries and treatment. Not to mention that even if the cost of
$14.8 billion were remotely true (there was no explanation as to how
they arrived at that figure)

And you think your figure is accurate? Fucking laughable. "Needlessly die"
is so subjective as put any number to it is a lie. Bullshit propaganda to
push Husseincare. How many people in Canada "needlessly die?" I say it's
more per-capita than in the US. Prove me wrong. Explain to me how
socializing something makes it better and more efficient. It doesn't. It
does the opposite and any claim to the contrary is a lie. Plain and simple,
and you can tout your made up figures all you want. Facts are simply facts.
It's not arguable.

Post by Eddie Haskell
, it's still within a GDP of 10% compared
to the US's now 17% for health care.

Yeah, we could get costs down by letting people die and piggy-backing off
other peoples innovations. Innovations that happen here.

That's why:

""This was my heart, my choice and my health," Williams said late Monday
from his condominium in Sarasota, Fla."

""I did not sign away my right to get the best possible health care for
myself when I entered politics.""

Did you get that? "Best possible healthcare?"

http://www.cbc.ca/canada/newfoundland-labrador/story/2010/02/23/nl-williams-heartcp-230210.html#ixzz1BQNDi28S

-Eddie Haskell

[wy]

Post by Eddie Haskell

Post by Eddie Haskell

Post by Eddie Haskell

Post by Eddie Haskell
While we plunge headlong into it because democrats are incapable of
learning. All the children know is "I want it! Wah! I want it! Gimmie!
gimmie! Wah wah.."
"It's interesting that as Obama and the Dems push towards government control
in every area of America that they can justify (currently health care),
other countries are moving away from it. As an example Canada has had
socialized medicine for years, and it is the type of single-payer
system
we
would have under Obamunism. However, as reported by the AP, Canada is
considering moving back to private health care delivery. Why? Because the
system as it is is imploding:"
"SASKATOON - The incoming president of the Canadian Medical
Association
says
this country's health-care system is sick and doctors need to develop
a
plan
to cure it."
""We know that there must be change," she said. "We're all running
flat
out,
we're all just trying to stay ahead of the immediate day-to-day demands.""
"The pitch for change at the conference is to start with a
presentation
from
Dr. Robert Ouellet, the current president of the CMA, who has said
there's
a
critical need to make Canada's health-care system patient-centred. He will
present details from his fact-finding trip to Europe in January, where he
met with health groups in England, Denmark, Belgium, Netherlands and
France."
"His thoughts on the issue are already clear. Ouellet has been saying since
his return that "a health-care revolution has passed us by," that it's
possible to make wait lists disappear while maintaining universal coverage
and "that competition should be welcomed, not feared."
In other words, Ouellet believes there could be a role for private
health-care delivery within the public system."
http://www.deadfishwrapper.com/blog/canada-considering-moving-away-so...
The name of the site is very apropos because that's where that news
item exactly belongs, in a dead fish wrapper. So dream on, Eddie, but
it ain't gonna happen, especially since there's no love for the
private system among Canadians

I just love it when a plan comes together.
""This was my heart, my choice and my health," Williams said late Monday
from his condominium in Sarasota, Fla."
""I did not sign away my right to get the best possible health care for
myself when I entered politics.""
Did you get that? "Best possible healthcare?"
heh heh..
Man, being me..
heh heh..
http://www.cbc.ca/canada/newfoundland-labrador/story/2010/02/23/nl-wi...
http://www.cbc.ca/health/story/2007/10/15/waittimes-fraser.html
You call that something? This is something: Medical Errors Cost US
$8.8 Billion, Result In 238,337 Potentially Preventable Deaths, Study
Shows.

In the most litigious, ambulance chasing, lawyer driven society on earth
thanks to democrats, as they are their single largest contributors? Very
impressive.
"The Economic Cost of Wait Times in Canada"
"This study, carried out by The Centre for Spatial Economics, estimates the
cost of waiting for 4 priority
areas to be $14.8 billion."
A meaningless study since the important thing is that patients came
through the waiting times alive,

How many die because of wait times? Why did you delete where I addressed
that?

Well, if you actually provided links that said how many died, I'd tell
you. But you didn't, so I can't tell you. Try to actually read the
sources you push before you push them, maybe you'll understand what
they're actually talking about.

Post by Eddie Haskell

Post by Eddie Haskell
as opposed to the nearly quarter of a
million who died needlessly in the US when actually going through
surgeries and treatment.  Not to mention that even if the cost of
$14.8 billion were remotely true (there was no explanation as to how
they arrived at that figure)

And you think your figure is accurate? Fucking laughable. "Needlessly die"
is so subjective as put any number to it is a lie. Bullshit propaganda to
push Husseincare. How many people in Canada "needlessly die?" I say it's
more per-capita than in the US. Prove me wrong. Explain to me how
socializing something makes it better and more efficient. It doesn't. It
does the opposite and any claim to the contrary is a lie. Plain and simple,
and you can tout your made up figures all you want. Facts are simply facts.
It's not arguable.

We cut out the middle man, which you don't. We cover everybody, which
you don't, and we also cover those who want to get their care in the
US or elsewhere, like Danny Williams, which you don't. We can see any
doctor we want, you can't with the wrong plan. We get medication at
half the cost that you do and any required physiotherapy will often be
part of the treatment covered by our health care system, meaning no
out-of-pocket expenses for that, unlike with your system. My own went
on for 3 months and with not a penny out of my pocket to pay for it -
sweet. Doctors have a simplified filing system to get paid for their
services, which is that they bill the government; there aren't 500
different insurance companies that they have to keep track of and who
covers what and who doesn't cover what and all the varying allowances
or disallowances that come with them, so bureaucracy is greatly
minimized and streamlined, giving doctors more time to do what they
should be doing, which is being doctors and not accountants. This and
more and all just for about 10% of GDP or about 40% less than what the
US spends to deliver half as much. Sorry, you're still not scoring
any points.

[Phlip]

 Sorry, you're still not scoring
any points.

Eddie's response will be a combination of "blah blah blah not
listening", vitriol, and cherry-picked statistics that he doesn't
understand.

[Eddie Haskell]

Post by wy
Sorry, you're still not scoring
any points.
Eddie's response will be a combination of "blah blah blah not
listening", vitriol, and cherry-picked statistics that he doesn't
understand.

Your response will be a non-response because you don't have one. Thanks for
the demonstration. Now, *believe*. Just *believe.* Hussein said it's what's
best. So don't look at those nasty facts. Just *believe.*

Higher costs. Less care. Death panels. Ghee, what a great idea, but don't
look at the facts. Just listen to Hussein. His words mean more than facts.

http://youtu.be/U-dQfb8WQvo

"Under our proposals, if you like your doctor, you keep your doctor. If you
like your current insurance, you keep that insurance. Period, end of story."

-Hussein

"Insurers to Bail on Child-Only Policies as Health Care Law Looms"

"NEW YORK (CBS) Parents of kids with preexisting conditions will have fewer
options in several states as major insurers are bailing on the practice of
selling child-only policies. "

"The insurance companies' decision apparently comes in response to the
federal health care law passed earlier this year, which would have forced
them to insure children under age 19 regardless of their medical histories.
Sales of child-only policies for some companies will end the day the federal
law is enacted, according to a recent Los Angeles Times article."

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504744_162-20017272-10391703.html

"My proposal would bring down the cost of healthcare for millions -
families, businesses, and the federal government,"

-Hussein

"NEW YORK (CNNMoney) -- One of California's largest health insurers - Blue
Shield - announced plans to hike its premiums by as much as 59%.
The jacked up premium rates are set to take effect on March 1, pending
review from state insurance regulators. The move impacts 193,000 individual
Blue Shield policy holders. "

http://money.cnn.com/2011/01/07/news/companies/California_blue_shield_rate_hike/

WASHINGTON, Nov 30 (Reuters) - The U.S. Senate's healthcare bill would raise
insurance premiums by at least 10 percent by 2016 for those independently
buying coverage, but subsidies would reduce the actual costs for half of
that group, the Congressional Budget Office said on Monday.

http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSN3042820120091130

Hussein Press Conference - Sept, 10 2010:

QUESTION - the CMS study from February predicted a 6.1 percent increase, and
now, post-health care, 6.3 percent. So it [the cost curve] seems to have
bent it up.

THE PRESIDENT: No, as I said, Jake, the - I haven't read the entire study.
Maybe you have. But if you - if what - the reports are true, what they're
saying is, is that as a consequence of us getting 30 million additional
people health care, at the margins that's going to increase our costs, we
knew that. We didn't think that we were going to cover 30 million people for
free.

-Hussein

-Eddie Haskell

[Eddie Haskell]

Post by Eddie Haskell

Post by Eddie Haskell

Post by Eddie Haskell

Post by Eddie Haskell
While we plunge headlong into it because democrats are incapable of
learning. All the children know is "I want it! Wah! I want it! Gimmie!
gimmie! Wah wah.."
"It's interesting that as Obama and the Dems push towards government control
in every area of America that they can justify (currently health care),
other countries are moving away from it. As an example Canada has had
socialized medicine for years, and it is the type of single-payer
system
we
would have under Obamunism. However, as reported by the AP, Canada is
considering moving back to private health care delivery. Why?
Because
the
system as it is is imploding:"
"SASKATOON - The incoming president of the Canadian Medical
Association
says
this country's health-care system is sick and doctors need to develop
a
plan
to cure it."
""We know that there must be change," she said. "We're all running
flat
out,
we're all just trying to stay ahead of the immediate day-to-day demands.""
"The pitch for change at the conference is to start with a
presentation
from
Dr. Robert Ouellet, the current president of the CMA, who has said
there's
a
critical need to make Canada's health-care system patient-centred.
He
will
present details from his fact-finding trip to Europe in January,
where
he
met with health groups in England, Denmark, Belgium, Netherlands and
France."
"His thoughts on the issue are already clear. Ouellet has been
saying
since
his return that "a health-care revolution has passed us by," that it's
possible to make wait lists disappear while maintaining universal coverage
and "that competition should be welcomed, not feared."
In other words, Ouellet believes there could be a role for private
health-care delivery within the public system."
http://www.deadfishwrapper.com/blog/canada-considering-moving-away-so...
The name of the site is very apropos because that's where that news
item exactly belongs, in a dead fish wrapper. So dream on, Eddie, but
it ain't gonna happen, especially since there's no love for the
private system among Canadians

I just love it when a plan comes together.
""This was my heart, my choice and my health," Williams said late Monday
from his condominium in Sarasota, Fla."
""I did not sign away my right to get the best possible health care for
myself when I entered politics.""
Did you get that? "Best possible healthcare?"
heh heh..
Man, being me..
heh heh..
http://www.cbc.ca/canada/newfoundland-labrador/story/2010/02/23/nl-wi...
http://www.cbc.ca/health/story/2007/10/15/waittimes-fraser.html
You call that something? This is something: Medical Errors Cost US
$8.8 Billion, Result In 238,337 Potentially Preventable Deaths, Study
Shows.

In the most litigious, ambulance chasing, lawyer driven society on earth
thanks to democrats, as they are their single largest contributors? Very
impressive.
"The Economic Cost of Wait Times in Canada"
"This study, carried out by The Centre for Spatial Economics, estimates the
cost of waiting for 4 priority
areas to be $14.8 billion."
A meaningless study since the important thing is that patients came
through the waiting times alive,

How many die because of wait times? Why did you delete where I addressed
that?
Well, if you actually provided links that said how many died, I'd tell
you. But you didn't, so I can't tell you. Try to actually read the
sources you push before you push them, maybe you'll understand what
they're actually talking about.

Putting a number to it would be as much a lie as your "needlessly die"
number, but it is a fact that more people in Canada die because of wait
times. I'll post the link again while I adopt your strategy of deleting and
dismissing your links, and then condemning your comments as crap. Two can
play that game.

http://www.firstthings.com/blogs/secondhandsmoke/2009/07/21/most-cancer-survival-rates-in-usa-better-than-europe-and-canada/

Post by Eddie Haskell

Post by Eddie Haskell
as opposed to the nearly quarter of a
million who died needlessly in the US when actually going through
surgeries and treatment. Not to mention that even if the cost of
$14.8 billion were remotely true (there was no explanation as to how
they arrived at that figure)

And you think your figure is accurate? Fucking laughable. "Needlessly die"
is so subjective as put any number to it is a lie. Bullshit propaganda to
push Husseincare. How many people in Canada "needlessly die?" I say it's
more per-capita than in the US. Prove me wrong. Explain to me how
socializing something makes it better and more efficient. It doesn't. It
does the opposite and any claim to the contrary is a lie. Plain and simple,
and you can tout your made up figures all you want. Facts are simply facts.
It's not arguable.
We cut out the middle man, which you don't. We cover everybody, which
you don't, and we also cover those who want to get their care in the
US or elsewhere, like Danny Williams, which you don't. We can see any
doctor we want, you can't with the wrong plan. We get medication at
half the cost that you do and any required physiotherapy will often be
part of the treatment covered by our health care system, meaning no
out-of-pocket expenses for that, unlike with your system. My own went
on for 3 months and with not a penny out of my pocket to pay for it -
sweet. Doctors have a simplified filing system to get paid for their
services, which is that they bill the government; there aren't 500
different insurance companies that they have to keep track of and who
covers what and who doesn't cover what and all the varying allowances
or disallowances that come with them, so bureaucracy is greatly
minimized and streamlined, giving doctors more time to do what they
should be doing, which is being doctors and not accountants. This and
more and all just for about 10% of GDP or about 40% less than what the
US spends to deliver half as much.

Lie. We spend more because we deliver more.

Post by Eddie Haskell
Sorry, you're still not scoring
any points.

That's because you delete them and run away.

No one goes without healthcare in the US and it's delivered in a timely
manner. We could save money by relying on medical innovations from somewhere
else but since we do most of it if we follow your path they will slow to a
crawl. We could also save money by rationing and putting people in waiting
lines to die but we're a bit more humane than that. What Hussein wants to do
to save money is deny procedures to people deemed unworthy. It's easy to
save money on medical care by denying it, but no, I don't think we'll go
that route. See you in the US when your life's at stake. Meanwhile, you can
bleat about you system while you are healthy, Just don't get sick.

"Most Cancer Survival Rates in USA Better Than Europe and Canada"

http://tinyurl.com/n7armc

That's because we deliver care in a timely manner. That takes more doctors
and costs more money.

Here's how you save money:

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65 day for a bypass.

68 day for cancer treatment.

96 day for treatment of prostrate cancer.

All unheard of in the US. Those kind of wait times get people killed, and
dead people save healthcare costs. Boy, how impressive.

Hussein wants to save money by denying care to people deemed unworthy just
like you do, but ghee, no thanks. We fought a world war to put an end to
that kind of thinking.

-Eddie Haskell

[wy]

Post by Eddie Haskell

Post by Eddie Haskell

Post by Eddie Haskell

Post by Eddie Haskell

Post by Eddie Haskell
While we plunge headlong into it because democrats are incapable of
learning. All the children know is "I want it! Wah! I want it! Gimmie!
gimmie! Wah wah.."
"It's interesting that as Obama and the Dems push towards government
control
in every area of America that they can justify (currently health care),
other countries are moving away from it. As an example Canada has had
socialized medicine for years, and it is the type of single-payer
system
we
would have under Obamunism. However, as reported by the AP, Canada is
considering moving back to private health care delivery. Why?
Because
the
system as it is is imploding:"
"SASKATOON - The incoming president of the Canadian Medical
Association
says
this country's health-care system is sick and doctors need to develop
a
plan
to cure it."
""We know that there must be change," she said. "We're all running
flat
out,
we're all just trying to stay ahead of the immediate day-to-day demands.""
"The pitch for change at the conference is to start with a
presentation
from
Dr. Robert Ouellet, the current president of the CMA, who has said
there's
a
critical need to make Canada's health-care system patient-centred.
He
will
present details from his fact-finding trip to Europe in January,
where
he
met with health groups in England, Denmark, Belgium, Netherlands and
France."
"His thoughts on the issue are already clear. Ouellet has been
saying
since
his return that "a health-care revolution has passed us by," that it's
possible to make wait lists disappear while maintaining universal coverage
and "that competition should be welcomed, not feared."
In other words, Ouellet believes there could be a role for private
health-care delivery within the public system."
http://www.deadfishwrapper.com/blog/canada-considering-moving-away-so...
The name of the site is very apropos because that's where that news
item exactly belongs, in a dead fish wrapper. So dream on, Eddie, but
it ain't gonna happen, especially since there's no love for the
private system among Canadians

I just love it when a plan comes together.
""This was my heart, my choice and my health," Williams said late Monday
from his condominium in Sarasota, Fla."
""I did not sign away my right to get the best possible health care for
myself when I entered politics.""
Did you get that? "Best possible healthcare?"
heh heh..
Man, being me..
heh heh..
http://www.cbc.ca/canada/newfoundland-labrador/story/2010/02/23/nl-wi...
http://www.cbc.ca/health/story/2007/10/15/waittimes-fraser.html
You call that something? This is something: Medical Errors Cost US
$8.8 Billion, Result In 238,337 Potentially Preventable Deaths, Study
Shows.

In the most litigious, ambulance chasing, lawyer driven society on earth
thanks to democrats, as they are their single largest contributors? Very
impressive.
"The Economic Cost of Wait Times in Canada"
"This study, carried out by The Centre for Spatial Economics, estimates the
cost of waiting for 4 priority
areas to be $14.8 billion."
A meaningless study since the important thing is that patients came
through the waiting times alive,

How many die because of wait times? Why did you delete where I addressed
that?
Well, if you actually provided links that said how many died, I'd tell
you.  But you didn't, so I can't tell you.  Try to actually read the
sources you push before you push them, maybe you'll understand what
they're actually talking about.

Putting a number to it would be as much a lie as your "needlessly die"
number, but it is a fact that more people in Canada die because of wait
times. I'll post the link again while I adopt your strategy of deleting and
dismissing your links, and then condemning your comments as crap. Two can
play that game.
http://www.firstthings.com/blogs/secondhandsmoke/2009/07/21/most-canc...

You mean to tell me that you spend 40% more on health care per GDP and
get only a 5%-10% better rate of cancer survival in return? That's
not very cost-efficient. I'd really be impressed if you did 60% or
70% better on that 40% extra per GDP.

Post by Eddie Haskell

Post by Eddie Haskell

Post by Eddie Haskell
as opposed to the nearly quarter of a
million who died needlessly in the US when actually going through
surgeries and treatment. Not to mention that even if the cost of
$14.8 billion were remotely true (there was no explanation as to how
they arrived at that figure)

And you think your figure is accurate? Fucking laughable. "Needlessly die"
is so subjective as put any number to it is a lie. Bullshit propaganda to
push Husseincare. How many people in Canada "needlessly die?" I say it's
more per-capita than in the US. Prove me wrong. Explain to me how
socializing something makes it better and more efficient. It doesn't. It
does the opposite and any claim to the contrary is a lie. Plain and simple,
and you can tout your made up figures all you want. Facts are simply facts.
It's not arguable.
We cut out the middle man, which you don't.  We cover everybody, which
you don't, and we also cover those who want to get their care in the
US or elsewhere, like Danny Williams, which you don't.  We can see any
doctor we want, you can't with the wrong plan.  We get medication at
half the cost that you do and any required physiotherapy will often be
part of the treatment covered by our health care system, meaning no
out-of-pocket expenses for that, unlike with your system.  My own went
on for 3 months and with not a penny out of my pocket to pay for it -
sweet.  Doctors have a simplified filing system to get paid for their
services, which is that they bill the government; there aren't 500
different insurance companies that they have to keep track of and who
covers what and who doesn't cover what and all the varying allowances
or disallowances that come with them, so bureaucracy is greatly
minimized and streamlined, giving doctors more time to do what they
should be doing, which is being doctors and not accountants.  This and
more and all just for about 10% of GDP or about 40% less than what the
US spends to deliver half as much.

Lie. We spend more because we deliver more.

But it's only 5%-10% more on 40%. That's nothing.

Post by Eddie Haskell

Post by Eddie Haskell
Sorry, you're still not scoring
any points.

That's because you delete them and run away.
No one goes without healthcare in the US and it's delivered in a timely
manner.

So you've got socialized medicine?

Post by Eddie Haskell
We could save money by relying on medical innovations from somewhere
else but since we do most of it if we follow your path they will slow to a
crawl. We could also save money by rationing and putting people in waiting
lines to die but we're a bit more humane than that. What Hussein wants to do
to save money is deny procedures to people deemed unworthy.

Hmm, I guess including people with pre-existing conditions is a way of
denying them procedures that they were originally denied to begin
with, huh?

Post by Eddie Haskell
It's easy to
save money on medical care by denying it, but no, I don't think we'll go
that route. See you in the US when your life's at stake. Meanwhile, you can
bleat about you system while you are healthy, Just don't get sick.

Yeah, a friend of mine was down in Florida two years ago and needed
your health care unexpectedly but soon found himself returning to
Canada to get it because not only did they want to extract $16,000 for
a couple of aspirins and an overnight stay but they also wanted to cut
him open. He got home, got his kidney stones zapped (no invasive
surgery, just some kind of ultrasound thing), and didn't have to pay a
penny for it. In Canada, we treat people, not scam them.

[Eddie Haskell]

Post by Eddie Haskell

Post by Eddie Haskell

Post by Eddie Haskell

Post by Eddie Haskell

Post by Eddie Haskell
While we plunge headlong into it because democrats are incapable of
learning. All the children know is "I want it! Wah! I want it! Gimmie!
gimmie! Wah wah.."
"It's interesting that as Obama and the Dems push towards government
control
in every area of America that they can justify (currently health care),
other countries are moving away from it. As an example Canada has had
socialized medicine for years, and it is the type of single-payer
system
we
would have under Obamunism. However, as reported by the AP, Canada is
considering moving back to private health care delivery. Why?
Because
the
system as it is is imploding:"
"SASKATOON - The incoming president of the Canadian Medical
Association
says
this country's health-care system is sick and doctors need to develop
a
plan
to cure it."
""We know that there must be change," she said. "We're all running
flat
out,
we're all just trying to stay ahead of the immediate day-to-day demands.""
"The pitch for change at the conference is to start with a
presentation
from
Dr. Robert Ouellet, the current president of the CMA, who has said
there's
a
critical need to make Canada's health-care system patient-centred.
He
will
present details from his fact-finding trip to Europe in January,
where
he
met with health groups in England, Denmark, Belgium, Netherlands and
France."
"His thoughts on the issue are already clear. Ouellet has been
saying
since
his return that "a health-care revolution has passed us by," that it's
possible to make wait lists disappear while maintaining universal coverage
and "that competition should be welcomed, not feared."
In other words, Ouellet believes there could be a role for private
health-care delivery within the public system."
http://www.deadfishwrapper.com/blog/canada-considering-moving-away-so...
The name of the site is very apropos because that's where that news
item exactly belongs, in a dead fish wrapper. So dream on, Eddie, but
it ain't gonna happen, especially since there's no love for the
private system among Canadians

I just love it when a plan comes together.
""This was my heart, my choice and my health," Williams said late Monday
from his condominium in Sarasota, Fla."
""I did not sign away my right to get the best possible health care for
myself when I entered politics.""
Did you get that? "Best possible healthcare?"
heh heh..
Man, being me..
heh heh..
http://www.cbc.ca/canada/newfoundland-labrador/story/2010/02/23/nl-wi...
http://www.cbc.ca/health/story/2007/10/15/waittimes-fraser.html
You call that something? This is something: Medical Errors Cost US
$8.8 Billion, Result In 238,337 Potentially Preventable Deaths, Study
Shows.

In the most litigious, ambulance chasing, lawyer driven society on earth
thanks to democrats, as they are their single largest contributors? Very
impressive.
"The Economic Cost of Wait Times in Canada"
"This study, carried out by The Centre for Spatial Economics,
estimates
the
cost of waiting for 4 priority
areas to be $14.8 billion."
A meaningless study since the important thing is that patients came
through the waiting times alive,

How many die because of wait times? Why did you delete where I addressed
that?
Well, if you actually provided links that said how many died, I'd tell
you. But you didn't, so I can't tell you. Try to actually read the
sources you push before you push them, maybe you'll understand what
they're actually talking about.

Putting a number to it would be as much a lie as your "needlessly die"
number, but it is a fact that more people in Canada die because of wait
times. I'll post the link again while I adopt your strategy of deleting and
dismissing your links, and then condemning your comments as crap. Two can
play that game.
http://www.firstthings.com/blogs/secondhandsmoke/2009/07/21/most-canc...
You mean to tell me that you spend 40% more on health care per GDP and
get only a 5%-10% better rate of cancer survival in return? That's
not very cost-efficient. I'd really be impressed if you did 60% or
70% better on that 40% extra per GDP.

Going the extra mile to save lives costs exponentially more, but thanks for
admitting that your costs are lower because you let people die. You decide
who lives and who dies based on the cost and worth of the patient.

Ours is a more humane society.

"SASKATOON - The incoming president of the Canadian Medical Association says
this country's health-care system is sick and doctors need to develop a plan
to cure it."

""We know that there must be change," she said. "We're all running flat out,
we're all just trying to stay ahead of the immediate day-to-day demands.""

http://www.deadfishwrapper.com/blog/canada-considering-moving-away-socialized-health-care-fish-wrapper-will-ignore

-Eddie Haskell

Post by Eddie Haskell

Post by Eddie Haskell

Post by Eddie Haskell
as opposed to the nearly quarter of a
million who died needlessly in the US when actually going through
surgeries and treatment. Not to mention that even if the cost of
$14.8 billion were remotely true (there was no explanation as to how
they arrived at that figure)

And you think your figure is accurate? Fucking laughable. "Needlessly die"
is so subjective as put any number to it is a lie. Bullshit propaganda to
push Husseincare. How many people in Canada "needlessly die?" I say it's
more per-capita than in the US. Prove me wrong. Explain to me how
socializing something makes it better and more efficient. It doesn't. It
does the opposite and any claim to the contrary is a lie. Plain and simple,
and you can tout your made up figures all you want. Facts are simply facts.
It's not arguable.
We cut out the middle man, which you don't. We cover everybody, which
you don't, and we also cover those who want to get their care in the
US or elsewhere, like Danny Williams, which you don't. We can see any
doctor we want, you can't with the wrong plan. We get medication at
half the cost that you do and any required physiotherapy will often be
part of the treatment covered by our health care system, meaning no
out-of-pocket expenses for that, unlike with your system. My own went
on for 3 months and with not a penny out of my pocket to pay for it -
sweet. Doctors have a simplified filing system to get paid for their
services, which is that they bill the government; there aren't 500
different insurance companies that they have to keep track of and who
covers what and who doesn't cover what and all the varying allowances
or disallowances that come with them, so bureaucracy is greatly
minimized and streamlined, giving doctors more time to do what they
should be doing, which is being doctors and not accountants. This and
more and all just for about 10% of GDP or about 40% less than what the
US spends to deliver half as much.

Lie. We spend more because we deliver more.

But it's only 5%-10% more on 40%. That's nothing.

Post by Eddie Haskell

Post by Eddie Haskell
Sorry, you're still not scoring
any points.

That's because you delete them and run away.
No one goes without healthcare in the US and it's delivered in a timely
manner.

So you've got socialized medicine?

Post by Eddie Haskell
We could save money by relying on medical innovations from somewhere
else but since we do most of it if we follow your path they will slow to a
crawl. We could also save money by rationing and putting people in waiting
lines to die but we're a bit more humane than that. What Hussein wants to do
to save money is deny procedures to people deemed unworthy.

Hmm, I guess including people with pre-existing conditions is a way of
denying them procedures that they were originally denied to begin
with, huh?

Post by Eddie Haskell
It's easy to
save money on medical care by denying it, but no, I don't think we'll go
that route. See you in the US when your life's at stake. Meanwhile, you can
bleat about you system while you are healthy, Just don't get sick.

Yeah, a friend of mine was down in Florida two years ago and needed
your health care unexpectedly but soon found himself returning to
Canada to get it because not only did they want to extract $16,000 for
a couple of aspirins and an overnight stay but they also wanted to cut
him open. He got home, got his kidney stones zapped (no invasive
surgery, just some kind of ultrasound thing), and didn't have to pay a
penny for it. In Canada, we treat people, not scam them.

[wy]

Post by Eddie Haskell

Post by Eddie Haskell

Post by Eddie Haskell

Post by Eddie Haskell

Post by Eddie Haskell

Post by Eddie Haskell
While we plunge headlong into it because democrats are incapable of
learning. All the children know is "I want it! Wah! I want it! Gimmie!
gimmie! Wah wah.."
"It's interesting that as Obama and the Dems push towards government
control
in every area of America that they can justify (currently health care),
other countries are moving away from it. As an example Canada has had
socialized medicine for years, and it is the type of single-payer
system
we
would have under Obamunism. However, as reported by the AP, Canada is
considering moving back to private health care delivery. Why?
Because
the
system as it is is imploding:"
"SASKATOON - The incoming president of the Canadian Medical
Association
says
this country's health-care system is sick and doctors need to develop
a
plan
to cure it."
""We know that there must be change," she said. "We're all running
flat
out,
we're all just trying to stay ahead of the immediate day-to-day
demands.""
"The pitch for change at the conference is to start with a
presentation
from
Dr. Robert Ouellet, the current president of the CMA, who has said
there's
a
critical need to make Canada's health-care system patient-centred.
He
will
present details from his fact-finding trip to Europe in January,
where
he
met with health groups in England, Denmark, Belgium, Netherlands and
France."
"His thoughts on the issue are already clear. Ouellet has been
saying
since
his return that "a health-care revolution has passed us by," that it's
possible to make wait lists disappear while maintaining universal
coverage
and "that competition should be welcomed, not feared."
In other words, Ouellet believes there could be a role for private
health-care delivery within the public system."
http://www.deadfishwrapper.com/blog/canada-considering-moving-away-so...
The name of the site is very apropos because that's where that news
item exactly belongs, in a dead fish wrapper. So dream on, Eddie, but
it ain't gonna happen, especially since there's no love for the
private system among Canadians

I just love it when a plan comes together.
""This was my heart, my choice and my health," Williams said late Monday
from his condominium in Sarasota, Fla."
""I did not sign away my right to get the best possible health care for
myself when I entered politics.""
Did you get that? "Best possible healthcare?"
heh heh..
Man, being me..
heh heh..
http://www.cbc.ca/canada/newfoundland-labrador/story/2010/02/23/nl-wi...
http://www.cbc.ca/health/story/2007/10/15/waittimes-fraser.html
You call that something? This is something: Medical Errors Cost US
$8.8 Billion, Result In 238,337 Potentially Preventable Deaths, Study
Shows.

In the most litigious, ambulance chasing, lawyer driven society on earth
thanks to democrats, as they are their single largest contributors? Very
impressive.
"The Economic Cost of Wait Times in Canada"
"This study, carried out by The Centre for Spatial Economics,
estimates
the
cost of waiting for 4 priority
areas to be $14.8 billion."
A meaningless study since the important thing is that patients came
through the waiting times alive,

How many die because of wait times? Why did you delete where I addressed
that?
Well, if you actually provided links that said how many died, I'd tell
you. But you didn't, so I can't tell you. Try to actually read the
sources you push before you push them, maybe you'll understand what
they're actually talking about.

Putting a number to it would be as much a lie as your "needlessly die"
number, but it is a fact that more people in Canada die because of wait
times. I'll post the link again while I adopt your strategy of deleting and
dismissing your links, and then condemning your comments as crap. Two can
play that game.
http://www.firstthings.com/blogs/secondhandsmoke/2009/07/21/most-canc...
You mean to tell me that you spend 40% more on health care per GDP and
get only a 5%-10% better rate of cancer survival in return?  That's
not very cost-efficient.  I'd really be impressed if you did 60% or
70% better on that 40% extra per GDP.

Going the extra mile to save lives costs exponentially more, but thanks for
admitting that your costs are lower because you let people die. You decide
who lives and who dies based on the cost and worth of the patient.

Yeah, which is why we outlive you guys by over two years.

Post by Eddie Haskell
Ours is a more humane society.

By living over two years less than we do, and for the money you spend
on health care? Sounds like a total rip-off to me. You're not very
good at this game, are you?

[Steve]

Post by wy

Post by Eddie Haskell

Post by Eddie Haskell

Post by Eddie Haskell

Post by Eddie Haskell

Post by Eddie Haskell

Post by Eddie Haskell
While we plunge headlong into it because democrats are incapable of
learning. All the children know is "I want it! Wah! I want it!
Gimmie!
gimmie! Wah wah.."
"It's interesting that as Obama and the Dems push towards government
control
in every area of America that they can justify (currently health
care),
other countries are moving away from it. As an example Canada has had
socialized medicine for years, and it is the type of single-payer
system
we
would have under Obamunism. However, as reported by the AP, Canada is
considering moving back to private health care delivery. Why?
Because
the
system as it is is imploding:"
"SASKATOON - The incoming president of the Canadian Medical
Association
says
this country's health-care system is sick and doctors need to develop
a
plan
to cure it."
""We know that there must be change," she said. "We're all running
flat
out,
we're all just trying to stay ahead of the immediate day-to-day
demands.""
"The pitch for change at the conference is to start with a
presentation
from
Dr. Robert Ouellet, the current president of the CMA, who has said
there's
a
critical need to make Canada's health-care system patient-centred.
He
will
present details from his fact-finding trip to Europe in January,
where
he
met with health groups in England, Denmark, Belgium, Netherlands and
France."
"His thoughts on the issue are already clear. Ouellet has been
saying
since
his return that "a health-care revolution has passed us by," that
it's
possible to make wait lists disappear while maintaining universal
coverage
and "that competition should be welcomed, not feared."
In other words, Ouellet believes there could be a role for private
health-care delivery within the public system."
http://www.deadfishwrapper.com/blog/canada-considering-moving-away-so...
The name of the site is very apropos because that's where that news
item exactly belongs, in a dead fish wrapper. So dream on, Eddie, but
it ain't gonna happen, especially since there's no love for the
private system among Canadians

I just love it when a plan comes together.
""This was my heart, my choice and my health," Williams said late Monday
from his condominium in Sarasota, Fla."
""I did not sign away my right to get the best possible health care for
myself when I entered politics.""
Did you get that? "Best possible healthcare?"
heh heh..
Man, being me..
heh heh..
http://www.cbc.ca/canada/newfoundland-labrador/story/2010/02/23/nl-wi...
http://www.cbc.ca/health/story/2007/10/15/waittimes-fraser.html
You call that something? This is something: Medical Errors Cost US
$8.8 Billion, Result In 238,337 Potentially Preventable Deaths, Study
Shows.

In the most litigious, ambulance chasing, lawyer driven society on earth
thanks to democrats, as they are their single largest contributors? Very
impressive.
"The Economic Cost of Wait Times in Canada"
"This study, carried out by The Centre for Spatial Economics,
estimates
the
cost of waiting for 4 priority
areas to be $14.8 billion."
A meaningless study since the important thing is that patients came
through the waiting times alive,

How many die because of wait times? Why did you delete where I addressed
that?
Well, if you actually provided links that said how many died, I'd tell
you. But you didn't, so I can't tell you. Try to actually read the
sources you push before you push them, maybe you'll understand what
they're actually talking about.

Putting a number to it would be as much a lie as your "needlessly die"
number, but it is a fact that more people in Canada die because of wait
times. I'll post the link again while I adopt your strategy of deleting and
dismissing your links, and then condemning your comments as crap. Two can
play that game.
http://www.firstthings.com/blogs/secondhandsmoke/2009/07/21/most-canc...
You mean to tell me that you spend 40% more on health care per GDP and
get only a 5%-10% better rate of cancer survival in return?  That's
not very cost-efficient.  I'd really be impressed if you did 60% or
70% better on that 40% extra per GDP.

Going the extra mile to save lives costs exponentially more, but thanks for
admitting that your costs are lower because you let people die. You decide
who lives and who dies based on the cost and worth of the patient.

Yeah, which is why we outlive you guys by over two years.

Actually you don't... you simply have less gang and drug related
deaths...

Post by wy

Post by Eddie Haskell
Ours is a more humane society.

By living over two years less than we do, and for the money you spend
on health care? Sounds like a total rip-off to me. You're not very
good at this game, are you?

[wy]

Post by wy

Post by Eddie Haskell

Post by Eddie Haskell

Post by Eddie Haskell

Post by Eddie Haskell

Post by Eddie Haskell

Post by Eddie Haskell
While we plunge headlong into it because democrats are incapable
of
learning. All the children know is "I want it! Wah! I want it!
Gimmie!
gimmie! Wah wah.."
"It's interesting that as Obama and the Dems push towards
government
control
in every area of America that they can justify (currently health
care),
other countries are moving away from it. As an example Canada has
had
socialized medicine for years, and it is the type of single-payer
system
we
would have under Obamunism. However, as reported by the AP, Canada
is
considering moving back to private health care delivery. Why?
Because
the
system as it is is imploding:"
"SASKATOON - The incoming president of the Canadian Medical
Association
says
this country's health-care system is sick and doctors need to
develop
a
plan
to cure it."
""We know that there must be change," she said. "We're all running
flat
out,
we're all just trying to stay ahead of the immediate day-to-day
demands.""
"The pitch for change at the conference is to start with a
presentation
from
Dr. Robert Ouellet, the current president of the CMA, who has said
there's
a
critical need to make Canada's health-care system patient-centred.
He
will
present details from his fact-finding trip to Europe in January,
where
he
met with health groups in England, Denmark, Belgium, Netherlands
and
France."
"His thoughts on the issue are already clear. Ouellet has been
saying
since
his return that "a health-care revolution has passed us by," that
it's
possible to make wait lists disappear while maintaining universal
coverage
and "that competition should be welcomed, not feared."
In other words, Ouellet believes there could be a role for private
health-care delivery within the public system."
http://www.deadfishwrapper.com/blog/canada-considering-moving-away-so...
The name of the site is very apropos because that's where that
news
item exactly belongs, in a dead fish wrapper. So dream on, Eddie,
but
it ain't gonna happen, especially since there's no love for the
private system among Canadians

I just love it when a plan comes together.
""This was my heart, my choice and my health," Williams said late
Monday
from his condominium in Sarasota, Fla."
""I did not sign away my right to get the best possible health care
for
myself when I entered politics.""
Did you get that? "Best possible healthcare?"
heh heh..
Man, being me..
heh heh..
http://www.cbc.ca/canada/newfoundland-labrador/story/2010/02/23/nl-wi...
http://www.cbc.ca/health/story/2007/10/15/waittimes-fraser.html
You call that something? This is something: Medical Errors Cost US
$8.8 Billion, Result In 238,337 Potentially Preventable Deaths, Study
Shows.

In the most litigious, ambulance chasing, lawyer driven society on earth
thanks to democrats, as they are their single largest contributors? Very
impressive.
"The Economic Cost of Wait Times in Canada"
"This study, carried out by The Centre for Spatial Economics,
estimates
the
cost of waiting for 4 priority
areas to be $14.8 billion."
A meaningless study since the important thing is that patients came
through the waiting times alive,

How many die because of wait times? Why did you delete where I addressed
that?
Well, if you actually provided links that said how many died, I'd tell
you. But you didn't, so I can't tell you. Try to actually read the
sources you push before you push them, maybe you'll understand what
they're actually talking about.

Putting a number to it would be as much a lie as your "needlessly die"
number, but it is a fact that more people in Canada die because of wait
times. I'll post the link again while I adopt your strategy of deleting and
dismissing your links, and then condemning your comments as crap. Two can
play that game.
http://www.firstthings.com/blogs/secondhandsmoke/2009/07/21/most-canc...
You mean to tell me that you spend 40% more on health care per GDP and
get only a 5%-10% better rate of cancer survival in return?  That's
not very cost-efficient.  I'd really be impressed if you did 60% or
70% better on that 40% extra per GDP.

Going the extra mile to save lives costs exponentially more, but thanks for
admitting that your costs are lower because you let people die. You decide
who lives and who dies based on the cost and worth of the patient.

Yeah, which is why we outlive you guys by over two years.

Actually you don't...  you simply have less gang and drug related
deaths...

That's what you'd like to believe is the reason. And even if it were
true, funny how all those people who get shot and taken to hospitals
still end up dead. Where's the best health care in the world for
them? Oh, yeah, I forgot, they don't have the Cadillac Plan that
Giffords does - you know, the socialized one funded by taxpayers?

Post by wy

Post by Eddie Haskell
Ours is a more humane society.

By living over two years less than we do, and for the money you spend
on health care?  Sounds like a total rip-off to me.  You're not very
good at this game, are you?

[Eddie Haskell]

Post by wy

Post by Eddie Haskell

Post by Eddie Haskell

Post by Eddie Haskell

Post by Eddie Haskell

Post by Eddie Haskell

Post by Eddie Haskell
While we plunge headlong into it because democrats are incapable
of
learning. All the children know is "I want it! Wah! I want it!
Gimmie!
gimmie! Wah wah.."
"It's interesting that as Obama and the Dems push towards
government
control
in every area of America that they can justify (currently health
care),
other countries are moving away from it. As an example Canada has
had
socialized medicine for years, and it is the type of single-payer
system
we
would have under Obamunism. However, as reported by the AP,
Canada
is
considering moving back to private health care delivery. Why?
Because
the
system as it is is imploding:"
"SASKATOON - The incoming president of the Canadian Medical
Association
says
this country's health-care system is sick and doctors need to
develop
a
plan
to cure it."
""We know that there must be change," she said. "We're all
running
flat
out,
we're all just trying to stay ahead of the immediate day-to-day
demands.""
"The pitch for change at the conference is to start with a
presentation
from
Dr. Robert Ouellet, the current president of the CMA, who has
said
there's
a
critical need to make Canada's health-care system
patient-centred.
He
will
present details from his fact-finding trip to Europe in January,
where
he
met with health groups in England, Denmark, Belgium, Netherlands
and
France."
"His thoughts on the issue are already clear. Ouellet has been
saying
since
his return that "a health-care revolution has passed us by," that
it's
possible to make wait lists disappear while maintaining universal
coverage
and "that competition should be welcomed, not feared."
In other words, Ouellet believes there could be a role for
private
health-care delivery within the public system."
http://www.deadfishwrapper.com/blog/canada-considering-moving-away-so...
The name of the site is very apropos because that's where that
news
item exactly belongs, in a dead fish wrapper. So dream on, Eddie,
but
it ain't gonna happen, especially since there's no love for the
private system among Canadians

I just love it when a plan comes together.
""This was my heart, my choice and my health," Williams said late
Monday
from his condominium in Sarasota, Fla."
""I did not sign away my right to get the best possible health care
for
myself when I entered politics.""
Did you get that? "Best possible healthcare?"
heh heh..
Man, being me..
heh heh..
http://www.cbc.ca/canada/newfoundland-labrador/story/2010/02/23/nl-wi...
http://www.cbc.ca/health/story/2007/10/15/waittimes-fraser.html
You call that something? This is something: Medical Errors Cost US
$8.8 Billion, Result In 238,337 Potentially Preventable Deaths, Study
Shows.

In the most litigious, ambulance chasing, lawyer driven society
on
earth
thanks to democrats, as they are their single largest
contributors?
Very
impressive.
"The Economic Cost of Wait Times in Canada"
"This study, carried out by The Centre for Spatial Economics,
estimates
the
cost of waiting for 4 priority
areas to be $14.8 billion."
A meaningless study since the important thing is that patients came
through the waiting times alive,

How many die because of wait times? Why did you delete where I addressed
that?
Well, if you actually provided links that said how many died, I'd tell
you. But you didn't, so I can't tell you. Try to actually read the
sources you push before you push them, maybe you'll understand what
they're actually talking about.

Putting a number to it would be as much a lie as your "needlessly die"
number, but it is a fact that more people in Canada die because of wait
times. I'll post the link again while I adopt your strategy of
deleting
and
dismissing your links, and then condemning your comments as crap. Two can
play that game.
http://www.firstthings.com/blogs/secondhandsmoke/2009/07/21/most-canc...
You mean to tell me that you spend 40% more on health care per GDP and
get only a 5%-10% better rate of cancer survival in return? That's
not very cost-efficient. I'd really be impressed if you did 60% or
70% better on that 40% extra per GDP.

Going the extra mile to save lives costs exponentially more, but thanks for
admitting that your costs are lower because you let people die. You decide
who lives and who dies based on the cost and worth of the patient.

Yeah, which is why we outlive you guys by over two years.

Actually you don't... you simply have less gang and drug related
deaths...
That's what you'd like to believe is the reason. And even if it were
true, funny how all those people who get shot and taken to hospitals
still end up dead.

"All"? Boy, the desperation.

Cite?

Where's the best health care in the world for
them?

The US.

Oh, yeah, I forgot, they don't have the Cadillac Plan that
Giffords does - you know, the socialized one funded by taxpayers?

Her health insurance is not what saved her. The best medical care in the
world is.

Heh heh..

Man, like throwing water on a drowning man. Almost feel bad.

Almost..

-Eddie Haskell

[wy]

Post by Eddie Haskell

Post by wy

Post by Eddie Haskell

Post by Eddie Haskell

Post by Eddie Haskell

Post by Eddie Haskell

Post by Eddie Haskell

Post by Eddie Haskell
While we plunge headlong into it because democrats are
incapable
of
learning. All the children know is "I want it! Wah! I want
it!
Gimmie!
gimmie! Wah wah.."
"It's interesting that as Obama and the Dems push towards
government
control
in every area of America that they can justify (currently
health
care),
other countries are moving away from it. As an example Canada
has
had
socialized medicine for years, and it is the type of
single-payer
system
we
would have under Obamunism. However, as reported by the AP,
Canada
is
considering moving back to private health care delivery. Why?
Because
the
system as it is is imploding:"
"SASKATOON - The incoming president of the Canadian Medical
Association
says
this country's health-care system is sick and doctors need to
develop
a
plan
to cure it."
""We know that there must be change," she said. "We're all
running
flat
out,
we're all just trying to stay ahead of the immediate
day-to-day
demands.""
"The pitch for change at the conference is to start with a
presentation
from
Dr. Robert Ouellet, the current president of the CMA, who has
said
there's
a
critical need to make Canada's health-care system
patient-centred.
He
will
present details from his fact-finding trip to Europe in
January,
where
he
met with health groups in England, Denmark, Belgium,
Netherlands
and
France."
"His thoughts on the issue are already clear. Ouellet has
been
saying
since
his return that "a health-care revolution has passed us by,"
that
it's
possible to make wait lists disappear while maintaining
universal
coverage
and "that competition should be welcomed, not feared."
In other words, Ouellet believes there could be a role for
private
health-care delivery within the public system."
http://www.deadfishwrapper.com/blog/canada-considering-moving-away-so...
The name of the site is very apropos because that's where
that
news
item exactly belongs, in a dead fish wrapper. So dream on,
Eddie,
but
it ain't gonna happen, especially since there's no love for
the
private system among Canadians

I just love it when a plan comes together.
""This was my heart, my choice and my health," Williams said late
Monday
from his condominium in Sarasota, Fla."
""I did not sign away my right to get the best possible health
care
for
myself when I entered politics.""
Did you get that? "Best possible healthcare?"
heh heh..
Man, being me..
heh heh..
http://www.cbc.ca/canada/newfoundland-labrador/story/2010/02/23/nl-wi...
http://www.cbc.ca/health/story/2007/10/15/waittimes-fraser.html
You call that something? This is something: Medical Errors Cost
US
$8.8 Billion, Result In 238,337 Potentially Preventable Deaths,
Study
Shows.

In the most litigious, ambulance chasing, lawyer driven society
on
earth
thanks to democrats, as they are their single largest
contributors?
Very
impressive.
"The Economic Cost of Wait Times in Canada"
"This study, carried out by The Centre for Spatial Economics,
estimates
the
cost of waiting for 4 priority
areas to be $14.8 billion."
A meaningless study since the important thing is that patients came
through the waiting times alive,

How many die because of wait times? Why did you delete where I addressed
that?
Well, if you actually provided links that said how many died, I'd tell
you. But you didn't, so I can't tell you. Try to actually read the
sources you push before you push them, maybe you'll understand what
they're actually talking about.

Putting a number to it would be as much a lie as your "needlessly die"
number, but it is a fact that more people in Canada die because of wait
times. I'll post the link again while I adopt your strategy of
deleting
and
dismissing your links, and then condemning your comments as crap. Two can
play that game.
http://www.firstthings.com/blogs/secondhandsmoke/2009/07/21/most-canc...
You mean to tell me that you spend 40% more on health care per GDP and
get only a 5%-10% better rate of cancer survival in return? That's
not very cost-efficient. I'd really be impressed if you did 60% or
70% better on that 40% extra per GDP.

Going the extra mile to save lives costs exponentially more, but thanks for
admitting that your costs are lower because you let people die. You decide
who lives and who dies based on the cost and worth of the patient.

Yeah, which is why we outlive you guys by over two years.

Actually you don't... you simply have less gang and drug related
deaths...
That's what you'd like to believe is the reason.  And even if it were
true, funny how all those people who get shot and taken to hospitals
still end up dead.

"All"? Boy, the desperation.
Cite?

Where's the best health care in the world for
them?

The US.

Oh, yeah, I forgot, they don't have the Cadillac Plan that
Giffords does - you know, the socialized one funded by taxpayers?

Her health insurance is not what saved her. The best medical care in the
world is.

She wouldn't've had it if she didn't have the Cadillac Plan. Or did
you miss that story about the other woman with a brain injury denied
by her insurer the rehabilitation she needed?

http://northeastcobb.patch.com/articles/insurance-refuses-claim-for-mother-with-brain-injury

Post by Eddie Haskell
Heh heh..

Yeah, heh, heh is right.

[Eddie Haskell]

Post by Eddie Haskell

Post by wy

Post by Eddie Haskell

Post by Eddie Haskell

Post by Eddie Haskell

Post by Eddie Haskell

Post by Eddie Haskell

Post by Eddie Haskell
While we plunge headlong into it because democrats are
incapable
of
learning. All the children know is "I want it! Wah! I want
it!
Gimmie!
gimmie! Wah wah.."
"It's interesting that as Obama and the Dems push towards
government
control
in every area of America that they can justify (currently
health
care),
other countries are moving away from it. As an example Canada
has
had
socialized medicine for years, and it is the type of
single-payer
system
we
would have under Obamunism. However, as reported by the AP,
Canada
is
considering moving back to private health care delivery. Why?
Because
the
system as it is is imploding:"
"SASKATOON - The incoming president of the Canadian Medical
Association
says
this country's health-care system is sick and doctors need to
develop
a
plan
to cure it."
""We know that there must be change," she said. "We're all
running
flat
out,
we're all just trying to stay ahead of the immediate
day-to-day
demands.""
"The pitch for change at the conference is to start with a
presentation
from
Dr. Robert Ouellet, the current president of the CMA, who has
said
there's
a
critical need to make Canada's health-care system
patient-centred.
He
will
present details from his fact-finding trip to Europe in
January,
where
he
met with health groups in England, Denmark, Belgium,
Netherlands
and
France."
"His thoughts on the issue are already clear. Ouellet has
been
saying
since
his return that "a health-care revolution has passed us by,"
that
it's
possible to make wait lists disappear while maintaining
universal
coverage
and "that competition should be welcomed, not feared."
In other words, Ouellet believes there could be a role for
private
health-care delivery within the public system."
http://www.deadfishwrapper.com/blog/canada-considering-moving-away-so...
The name of the site is very apropos because that's where
that
news
item exactly belongs, in a dead fish wrapper. So dream on,
Eddie,
but
it ain't gonna happen, especially since there's no love for
the
private system among Canadians

I just love it when a plan comes together.
""This was my heart, my choice and my health," Williams said late
Monday
from his condominium in Sarasota, Fla."
""I did not sign away my right to get the best possible health
care
for
myself when I entered politics.""
Did you get that? "Best possible healthcare?"
heh heh..
Man, being me..
heh heh..
http://www.cbc.ca/canada/newfoundland-labrador/story/2010/02/23/nl-wi...
http://www.cbc.ca/health/story/2007/10/15/waittimes-fraser.html
You call that something? This is something: Medical Errors Cost
US
$8.8 Billion, Result In 238,337 Potentially Preventable Deaths,
Study
Shows.

In the most litigious, ambulance chasing, lawyer driven society
on
earth
thanks to democrats, as they are their single largest
contributors?
Very
impressive.
"The Economic Cost of Wait Times in Canada"
"This study, carried out by The Centre for Spatial Economics,
estimates
the
cost of waiting for 4 priority
areas to be $14.8 billion."
A meaningless study since the important thing is that patients came
through the waiting times alive,

How many die because of wait times? Why did you delete where I addressed
that?
Well, if you actually provided links that said how many died, I'd tell
you. But you didn't, so I can't tell you. Try to actually read the
sources you push before you push them, maybe you'll understand what
they're actually talking about.

Putting a number to it would be as much a lie as your "needlessly die"
number, but it is a fact that more people in Canada die because of wait
times. I'll post the link again while I adopt your strategy of
deleting
and
dismissing your links, and then condemning your comments as crap.
Two
can
play that game.
http://www.firstthings.com/blogs/secondhandsmoke/2009/07/21/most-canc...
You mean to tell me that you spend 40% more on health care per GDP and
get only a 5%-10% better rate of cancer survival in return? That's
not very cost-efficient. I'd really be impressed if you did 60% or
70% better on that 40% extra per GDP.

Going the extra mile to save lives costs exponentially more, but
thanks
for
admitting that your costs are lower because you let people die. You decide
who lives and who dies based on the cost and worth of the patient.

Yeah, which is why we outlive you guys by over two years.

Actually you don't... you simply have less gang and drug related
deaths...
That's what you'd like to believe is the reason. And even if it were
true, funny how all those people who get shot and taken to hospitals
still end up dead.

"All"? Boy, the desperation.
Cite?

Where's the best health care in the world for
them?

The US.

Oh, yeah, I forgot, they don't have the Cadillac Plan that
Giffords does - you know, the socialized one funded by taxpayers?

Her health insurance is not what saved her. The best medical care in the
world is.
She wouldn't've had it if she didn't have the Cadillac Plan.

Yes she would.

Post by Eddie Haskell
Or did
you miss that story about the other woman with a brain injury denied
by her insurer the rehabilitation she needed?

Rehabilitation is not what saved Gifford's life. It was the best medical
care in the world. Did you miss the point about Medicare denying more claims
than any insurance company?

Post by Eddie Haskell
http://northeastcobb.patch.com/articles/insurance-refuses-claim-for-mother-with-brain-injury

Oh, and the woman in the story? She will. Along with having the best
healthcare in the world, we are also the most charitable, you inferior
Canadian.

Heh heh..

Man, that one got his goat..

Heh heh..

-Eddie Haskell

[wy]

Post by Eddie Haskell

Post by Eddie Haskell

Post by wy

Post by Eddie Haskell

Post by Eddie Haskell

Post by Eddie Haskell

Post by Eddie Haskell

Post by Eddie Haskell

Post by Eddie Haskell
While we plunge headlong into it because democrats are
incapable
of
learning. All the children know is "I want it! Wah! I want
it!
Gimmie!
gimmie! Wah wah.."
"It's interesting that as Obama and the Dems push towards
government
control
in every area of America that they can justify (currently
health
care),
other countries are moving away from it. As an example
Canada
has
had
socialized medicine for years, and it is the type of
single-payer
system
we
would have under Obamunism. However, as reported by the AP,
Canada
is
considering moving back to private health care delivery.
Why?
Because
the
system as it is is imploding:"
"SASKATOON - The incoming president of the Canadian Medical
Association
says
this country's health-care system is sick and doctors need
to
develop
a
plan
to cure it."
""We know that there must be change," she said. "We're all
running
flat
out,
we're all just trying to stay ahead of the immediate
day-to-day
demands.""
"The pitch for change at the conference is to start with a
presentation
from
Dr. Robert Ouellet, the current president of the CMA, who
has
said
there's
a
critical need to make Canada's health-care system
patient-centred.
He
will
present details from his fact-finding trip to Europe in
January,
where
he
met with health groups in England, Denmark, Belgium,
Netherlands
and
France."
"His thoughts on the issue are already clear. Ouellet has
been
saying
since
his return that "a health-care revolution has passed us
by,"
that
it's
possible to make wait lists disappear while maintaining
universal
coverage
and "that competition should be welcomed, not feared."
In other words, Ouellet believes there could be a role for
private
health-care delivery within the public system."
http://www.deadfishwrapper.com/blog/canada-considering-moving-away-so...
The name of the site is very apropos because that's where
that
news
item exactly belongs, in a dead fish wrapper. So dream on,
Eddie,
but
it ain't gonna happen, especially since there's no love for
the
private system among Canadians

I just love it when a plan comes together.
""This was my heart, my choice and my health," Williams said
late
Monday
from his condominium in Sarasota, Fla."
""I did not sign away my right to get the best possible
health
care
for
myself when I entered politics.""
Did you get that? "Best possible healthcare?"
heh heh..
Man, being me..
heh heh..
http://www.cbc.ca/canada/newfoundland-labrador/story/2010/02/23/nl-wi...
http://www.cbc.ca/health/story/2007/10/15/waittimes-fraser.html
You call that something? This is something: Medical Errors
Cost
US
$8.8 Billion, Result In 238,337 Potentially Preventable
Deaths,
Study
Shows.

In the most litigious, ambulance chasing, lawyer driven society
on
earth
thanks to democrats, as they are their single largest
contributors?
Very
impressive.
"The Economic Cost of Wait Times in Canada"
"This study, carried out by The Centre for Spatial Economics,
estimates
the
cost of waiting for 4 priority
areas to be $14.8 billion."
A meaningless study since the important thing is that patients
came
through the waiting times alive,

How many die because of wait times? Why did you delete where I
addressed
that?
Well, if you actually provided links that said how many died, I'd
tell
you. But you didn't, so I can't tell you. Try to actually read the
sources you push before you push them, maybe you'll understand what
they're actually talking about.

Putting a number to it would be as much a lie as your "needlessly die"
number, but it is a fact that more people in Canada die because of wait
times. I'll post the link again while I adopt your strategy of
deleting
and
dismissing your links, and then condemning your comments as crap.
Two
can
play that game.
http://www.firstthings.com/blogs/secondhandsmoke/2009/07/21/most-canc...
You mean to tell me that you spend 40% more on health care per GDP and
get only a 5%-10% better rate of cancer survival in return? That's
not very cost-efficient. I'd really be impressed if you did 60% or
70% better on that 40% extra per GDP.

Going the extra mile to save lives costs exponentially more, but
thanks
for
admitting that your costs are lower because you let people die. You decide
who lives and who dies based on the cost and worth of the patient.

Yeah, which is why we outlive you guys by over two years.

Actually you don't... you simply have less gang and drug related
deaths...
That's what you'd like to believe is the reason. And even if it were
true, funny how all those people who get shot and taken to hospitals
still end up dead.

"All"? Boy, the desperation.
Cite?

Where's the best health care in the world for
them?

The US.

Oh, yeah, I forgot, they don't have the Cadillac Plan that
Giffords does - you know, the socialized one funded by taxpayers?

Her health insurance is not what saved her. The best medical care in the
world is.
She wouldn't've had it if she didn't have the Cadillac Plan.

Yes she would.

Nope.

Post by Eddie Haskell

Post by Eddie Haskell
Or did
you miss that story about the other woman with a brain injury denied
by her insurer the rehabilitation she needed?

Rehabilitation is not what saved Gifford's life. It was the best medical
care in the world. Did you miss the point about Medicare denying more claims
than any insurance company?

Yeah, if the private sector is so great, then how come "Some US
employers have begun exploring medical travel programs as a way to cut
employee health care costs"? Looks like those Americans won't be
benefiting much from the "best health care system in the world".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medical_tourism

Post by Eddie Haskell

Post by Eddie Haskell
http://northeastcobb.patch.com/articles/insurance-refuses-claim-for-m...

Oh, and the woman in the story? She will. Along with having the best
healthcare in the world, we are also the most charitable, you inferior
Canadian.

Nope. She won't.

[Eddie Haskell]

Post by Eddie Haskell

Post by Eddie Haskell

Post by wy

Post by Eddie Haskell

Post by Eddie Haskell

Post by Eddie Haskell

Post by Eddie Haskell

Post by Eddie Haskell

Post by Eddie Haskell
While we plunge headlong into it because democrats are
incapable
of
learning. All the children know is "I want it! Wah! I
want
it!
Gimmie!
gimmie! Wah wah.."
"It's interesting that as Obama and the Dems push towards
government
control
in every area of America that they can justify (currently
health
care),
other countries are moving away from it. As an example
Canada
has
had
socialized medicine for years, and it is the type of
single-payer
system
we
would have under Obamunism. However, as reported by the
AP,
Canada
is
considering moving back to private health care delivery.
Why?
Because
the
system as it is is imploding:"
"SASKATOON - The incoming president of the Canadian
Medical
Association
says
this country's health-care system is sick and doctors
need
to
develop
a
plan
to cure it."
""We know that there must be change," she said. "We're
all
running
flat
out,
we're all just trying to stay ahead of the immediate
day-to-day
demands.""
"The pitch for change at the conference is to start with
a
presentation
from
Dr. Robert Ouellet, the current president of the CMA, who
has
said
there's
a
critical need to make Canada's health-care system
patient-centred.
He
will
present details from his fact-finding trip to Europe in
January,
where
he
met with health groups in England, Denmark, Belgium,
Netherlands
and
France."
"His thoughts on the issue are already clear. Ouellet has
been
saying
since
his return that "a health-care revolution has passed us
by,"
that
it's
possible to make wait lists disappear while maintaining
universal
coverage
and "that competition should be welcomed, not feared."
In other words, Ouellet believes there could be a role
for
private
health-care delivery within the public system."
http://www.deadfishwrapper.com/blog/canada-considering-moving-away-so...
The name of the site is very apropos because that's where
that
news
item exactly belongs, in a dead fish wrapper. So dream
on,
Eddie,
but
it ain't gonna happen, especially since there's no love
for
the
private system among Canadians

I just love it when a plan comes together.
""This was my heart, my choice and my health," Williams said
late
Monday
from his condominium in Sarasota, Fla."
""I did not sign away my right to get the best possible
health
care
for
myself when I entered politics.""
Did you get that? "Best possible healthcare?"
heh heh..
Man, being me..
heh heh..
http://www.cbc.ca/canada/newfoundland-labrador/story/2010/02/23/nl-wi...
http://www.cbc.ca/health/story/2007/10/15/waittimes-fraser.html
You call that something? This is something: Medical Errors
Cost
US
$8.8 Billion, Result In 238,337 Potentially Preventable
Deaths,
Study
Shows.

In the most litigious, ambulance chasing, lawyer driven society
on
earth
thanks to democrats, as they are their single largest
contributors?
Very
impressive.
"The Economic Cost of Wait Times in Canada"
"This study, carried out by The Centre for Spatial Economics,
estimates
the
cost of waiting for 4 priority
areas to be $14.8 billion."
A meaningless study since the important thing is that patients
came
through the waiting times alive,

How many die because of wait times? Why did you delete where I
addressed
that?
Well, if you actually provided links that said how many died, I'd
tell
you. But you didn't, so I can't tell you. Try to actually read the
sources you push before you push them, maybe you'll understand what
they're actually talking about.

Putting a number to it would be as much a lie as your "needlessly die"
number, but it is a fact that more people in Canada die because
of
wait
times. I'll post the link again while I adopt your strategy of
deleting
and
dismissing your links, and then condemning your comments as crap.
Two
can
play that game.
http://www.firstthings.com/blogs/secondhandsmoke/2009/07/21/most-canc...
You mean to tell me that you spend 40% more on health care per
GDP
and
get only a 5%-10% better rate of cancer survival in return? That's
not very cost-efficient. I'd really be impressed if you did 60% or
70% better on that 40% extra per GDP.

Going the extra mile to save lives costs exponentially more, but
thanks
for
admitting that your costs are lower because you let people die. You decide
who lives and who dies based on the cost and worth of the patient.

Yeah, which is why we outlive you guys by over two years.

Actually you don't... you simply have less gang and drug related
deaths...
That's what you'd like to believe is the reason. And even if it were
true, funny how all those people who get shot and taken to hospitals
still end up dead.

"All"? Boy, the desperation.
Cite?

Where's the best health care in the world for
them?

The US.

Oh, yeah, I forgot, they don't have the Cadillac Plan that
Giffords does - you know, the socialized one funded by taxpayers?

Her health insurance is not what saved her. The best medical care in the
world is.
She wouldn't've had it if she didn't have the Cadillac Plan.

Yes she would.
Nope.

Insurance had nothing to do with it. You think the doctors in the emergency
room said, "oh, wait, check and see what kind of insurance she has?"

Face it. You lose again.

Post by Eddie Haskell

Post by Eddie Haskell
Or did
you miss that story about the other woman with a brain injury denied
by her insurer the rehabilitation she needed?

Rehabilitation is not what saved Gifford's life. It was the best medical
care in the world. Did you miss the point about Medicare denying more claims
than any insurance company?
Yeah, if the private sector is so great, then how come "Some US
employers have begun exploring medical travel programs as a way to cut
employee health care costs"?

Because costs here are high thanks to lack of market forces.

Post by Eddie Haskell
Looks like those Americans won't be
benefiting much from the "best health care system in the world".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medical_tourism
http://northeastcobb.patch.com/articles/insurance-refuses-claim-for-m...
Oh, and the woman in the story? She will. Along with having the best
healthcare in the world, we are also the most charitable, you inferior
Canadian.
Nope. She won't.

Wanna bet? How about a 100 bucks? Got that much? Tell you what, give me your
bank account router number and I'll go ahead and deposit a hundred in your
account as an act of good faith until this matter is settled.

-Eddie Haskell

[wy]

Post by Eddie Haskell

Post by Eddie Haskell

Post by Eddie Haskell

Post by wy

Post by Eddie Haskell

Post by Eddie Haskell
http://www.firstthings.com/blogs/secondhandsmoke/2009/07/21/most-canc...
You mean to tell me that you spend 40% more on health care per
GDP
and
get only a 5%-10% better rate of cancer survival in return? That's
not very cost-efficient. I'd really be impressed if you did 60% or
70% better on that 40% extra per GDP.

Going the extra mile to save lives costs exponentially more, but
thanks
for
admitting that your costs are lower because you let people die. You
decide
who lives and who dies based on the cost and worth of the patient.

Yeah, which is why we outlive you guys by over two years.

Actually you don't... you simply have less gang and drug related
deaths...
That's what you'd like to believe is the reason. And even if it were
true, funny how all those people who get shot and taken to hospitals
still end up dead.

"All"? Boy, the desperation.
Cite?

Where's the best health care in the world for
them?

The US.

Oh, yeah, I forgot, they don't have the Cadillac Plan that
Giffords does - you know, the socialized one funded by taxpayers?

Her health insurance is not what saved her. The best medical care in the
world is.
She wouldn't've had it if she didn't have the Cadillac Plan.

Yes she would.
Nope.

Insurance had nothing to do with it. You think the doctors in the emergency
room said, "oh, wait, check and see what kind of insurance she has?"
Face it. You lose again.

She has the Cadillac Plan, they know that, it's a given. Why would
they even ask her?

Post by Eddie Haskell

Post by Eddie Haskell

Post by Eddie Haskell
Or did
you miss that story about the other woman with a brain injury denied
by her insurer the rehabilitation she needed?

Rehabilitation is not what saved Gifford's life. It was the best medical
care in the world. Did you miss the point about Medicare denying more claims
than any insurance company?
Yeah, if the private sector is so great, then how come "Some US
employers have begun exploring medical travel programs as a way to cut
employee health care costs"?

Because costs here are high thanks to lack of market forces.

Lack of market forces? What's that? A nice way of saying that
private insurers scam and stiff their clients?

Post by Eddie Haskell

Post by Eddie Haskell
Looks like those Americans won't be
benefiting much from the "best health care system in the world".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medical_tourism
http://northeastcobb.patch.com/articles/insurance-refuses-claim-for-m...
Oh, and the woman in the story? She will. Along with having the best
healthcare in the world, we are also the most charitable, you inferior
Canadian.
Nope. She won't.

Wanna bet? How about a 100 bucks? Got that much? Tell you what, give me your
bank account router number and I'll go ahead and deposit a hundred in your
account as an act of good faith until this matter is settled.

I wouldn't want to take advantage of you, so I'll hold off until it's
proven she won't get it. And even if she does, IF she does, how do
you think she'll get it? Thanks to donations. What are donations? A
form of socialism - people helping those who can't help themselves,
especially when the private sector fails them.

[Eddie Haskell]

Post by Steve

Post by wy

Post by Eddie Haskell

Post by Eddie Haskell

Post by Eddie Haskell

Post by Eddie Haskell

Post by Eddie Haskell

Post by Eddie Haskell
While we plunge headlong into it because democrats are
incapable
of
learning. All the children know is "I want it! Wah! I want it!
Gimmie!
gimmie! Wah wah.."
"It's interesting that as Obama and the Dems push towards
government
control
in every area of America that they can justify (currently health
care),
other countries are moving away from it. As an example Canada
has
had
socialized medicine for years, and it is the type of single-payer
system
we
would have under Obamunism. However, as reported by the AP,
Canada
is
considering moving back to private health care delivery. Why?
Because
the
system as it is is imploding:"
"SASKATOON - The incoming president of the Canadian Medical
Association
says
this country's health-care system is sick and doctors need to
develop
a
plan
to cure it."
""We know that there must be change," she said. "We're all running
flat
out,
we're all just trying to stay ahead of the immediate day-to-day
demands.""
"The pitch for change at the conference is to start with a
presentation
from
Dr. Robert Ouellet, the current president of the CMA, who has said
there's
a
critical need to make Canada's health-care system
patient-centred.
He
will
present details from his fact-finding trip to Europe in January,
where
he
met with health groups in England, Denmark, Belgium,
Netherlands
and
France."
"His thoughts on the issue are already clear. Ouellet has been
saying
since
his return that "a health-care revolution has passed us by," that
it's
possible to make wait lists disappear while maintaining universal
coverage
and "that competition should be welcomed, not feared."
In other words, Ouellet believes there could be a role for private
health-care delivery within the public system."
http://www.deadfishwrapper.com/blog/canada-considering-moving-away-so...
The name of the site is very apropos because that's where that news
item exactly belongs, in a dead fish wrapper. So dream on,
Eddie,
but
it ain't gonna happen, especially since there's no love for the
private system among Canadians

I just love it when a plan comes together.
""This was my heart, my choice and my health," Williams said
late
Monday
from his condominium in Sarasota, Fla."
""I did not sign away my right to get the best possible health
care
for
myself when I entered politics.""
Did you get that? "Best possible healthcare?"
heh heh..
Man, being me..
heh heh..
http://www.cbc.ca/canada/newfoundland-labrador/story/2010/02/23/nl-wi...
http://www.cbc.ca/health/story/2007/10/15/waittimes-fraser.html
You call that something? This is something: Medical Errors Cost US
$8.8 Billion, Result In 238,337 Potentially Preventable Deaths, Study
Shows.

In the most litigious, ambulance chasing, lawyer driven society on earth
thanks to democrats, as they are their single largest
contributors?
Very
impressive.
"The Economic Cost of Wait Times in Canada"
"This study, carried out by The Centre for Spatial Economics,
estimates
the
cost of waiting for 4 priority
areas to be $14.8 billion."
A meaningless study since the important thing is that patients came
through the waiting times alive,

How many die because of wait times? Why did you delete where I addressed
that?
Well, if you actually provided links that said how many died, I'd tell
you. But you didn't, so I can't tell you. Try to actually read the
sources you push before you push them, maybe you'll understand what
they're actually talking about.

Putting a number to it would be as much a lie as your "needlessly die"
number, but it is a fact that more people in Canada die because of wait
times. I'll post the link again while I adopt your strategy of
deleting
and
dismissing your links, and then condemning your comments as crap. Two can
play that game.
http://www.firstthings.com/blogs/secondhandsmoke/2009/07/21/most-canc...
You mean to tell me that you spend 40% more on health care per GDP and
get only a 5%-10% better rate of cancer survival in return? That's
not very cost-efficient. I'd really be impressed if you did 60% or
70% better on that 40% extra per GDP.

Going the extra mile to save lives costs exponentially more, but thanks for
admitting that your costs are lower because you let people die. You decide
who lives and who dies based on the cost and worth of the patient.

Yeah, which is why we outlive you guys by over two years.

Actually you don't... you simply have less gang and drug related
deaths...

That's another benefit of having a nearly nonexistent black population of
only 2.5%.

wy loses again.

-Eddie Haskell

Post by Steve

Post by wy

Post by Eddie Haskell
Ours is a more humane society.

By living over two years less than we do, and for the money you spend
on health care? Sounds like a total rip-off to me. You're not very
good at this game, are you?

[5888 Dead, 1031 since 1/20/09]

Post by Eddie Haskell

Post by Steve

Post by wy

news:6317757f-40ad-4828-88db-

news:e8d0a9c1-a89d-48d4-bb16-

news:98f87946-7169-4a4c-8b9f-

news:051c6cbc-

news:ed86822a-4a63-4c89-

Post by Eddie Haskell
While we plunge headlong into it because democrats are
incapable
of
learning. All the children know is "I want it! Wah! I want
it! Gimmie!
gimmie! Wah wah.."
"It's interesting that as Obama and the Dems push towards
government
control
in every area of America that they can justify (currently health
care),
other countries are moving away from it. As an example
Canada has
had
socialized medicine for years, and it is the type of single-payer
system
we
would have under Obamunism. However, as reported by the AP,
Canada
is
considering moving back to private health care delivery.
Why? Because
the
system as it is is imploding:"
"SASKATOON - The incoming president of the Canadian Medical
Association
says
this country's health-care system is sick and doctors need
to develop
a
plan
to cure it."
""We know that there must be change," she said. "We're all
running
flat
out,
we're all just trying to stay ahead of the immediate day-to-day
demands.""
"The pitch for change at the conference is to start with a
presentation
from
Dr. Robert Ouellet, the current president of the CMA, who
has said
there's
a
critical need to make Canada's health-care system
patient-centred.
He
will
present details from his fact-finding trip to Europe in January,
where
he
met with health groups in England, Denmark, Belgium,
Netherlands
and
France."
"His thoughts on the issue are already clear. Ouellet has
been saying
since
his return that "a health-care revolution has passed us by," that
it's
possible to make wait lists disappear while maintaining universal
coverage
and "that competition should be welcomed, not feared." In
other words, Ouellet believes there could be a role for
private
health-care delivery within the public system."
http://www.deadfishwrapper.com/blog/canada-considering-

moving-away-so...

Post by Eddie Haskell

Post by Steve

Post by wy

Post by Eddie Haskell
The name of the site is very apropos because that's where
that news
item exactly belongs, in a dead fish wrapper. So dream on,
Eddie,
but
it ain't gonna happen, especially since there's no love for the
private system among Canadians

I just love it when a plan comes together.
""This was my heart, my choice and my health," Williams said
late
Monday
from his condominium in Sarasota, Fla."
""I did not sign away my right to get the best possible
health care
for
myself when I entered politics.""
Did you get that? "Best possible healthcare?"
heh heh..
Man, being me..
heh heh..
http://www.cbc.ca/canada/newfoundland-labrador/

story/2010/02/23/nl-wi...

Post by Eddie Haskell

Post by Steve

Post by wy

http://www.cbc.ca/health/story/2007/10/15/waittimes-

fraser.html

Post by Eddie Haskell

Post by Steve

Post by wy

You call that something? This is something: Medical Errors Cost US
$8.8 Billion, Result In 238,337 Potentially Preventable Deaths, Study
Shows.

In the most litigious, ambulance chasing, lawyer driven society on earth
thanks to democrats, as they are their single largest
contributors?
Very
impressive.
"The Economic Cost of Wait Times in Canada"
"This study, carried out by The Centre for Spatial Economics,
estimates
the
cost of waiting for 4 priority
areas to be $14.8 billion."
A meaningless study since the important thing is that patients came
through the waiting times alive,

How many die because of wait times? Why did you delete where I addressed
that?
Well, if you actually provided links that said how many died, I'd tell
you. But you didn't, so I can't tell you. Try to actually read
the sources you push before you push them, maybe you'll
understand what they're actually talking about.

Putting a number to it would be as much a lie as your "needlessly
die" number, but it is a fact that more people in Canada die
because of wait
times. I'll post the link again while I adopt your strategy of
deleting
and
dismissing your links, and then condemning your comments as crap. Two can
play that game.
http://www.firstthings.com/blogs/secondhandsmoke/2009/07/21/most-

canc...

Post by Eddie Haskell

Post by Steve

Post by wy

You mean to tell me that you spend 40% more on health care per GDP
and get only a 5%-10% better rate of cancer survival in return?
That's not very cost-efficient. I'd really be impressed if you did
60% or 70% better on that 40% extra per GDP.

Going the extra mile to save lives costs exponentially more, but thanks for
admitting that your costs are lower because you let people die. You decide
who lives and who dies based on the cost and worth of the patient.

Yeah, which is why we outlive you guys by over two years.

Actually you don't... you simply have less gang and drug related
deaths...

That's another benefit of having a nearly nonexistent black population
of only 2.5%.

Is that why you think America is inferior to Canada?

Post by Eddie Haskell
wy loses again.
-Eddie Haskell

Post by Steve

Post by wy

Ours is a more humane society.

By living over two years less than we do, and for the money you spend
on health care? Sounds like a total rip-off to me. You're not very
good at this game, are you?

--
Information has never been so free. Even in authoritarian countries
information networks are helping people discover new facts and making
governments more accountable.- US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton,
January 21, 2010

[Eddie Haskell]

Post by Eddie Haskell

Post by Eddie Haskell

Post by Steve

Post by wy

news:6317757f-40ad-4828-88db-

news:e8d0a9c1-a89d-48d4-bb16-

news:98f87946-7169-4a4c-8b9f-

news:051c6cbc-

news:ed86822a-4a63-4c89-

Post by Eddie Haskell
While we plunge headlong into it because democrats are
incapable
of
learning. All the children know is "I want it! Wah! I want
it! Gimmie!
gimmie! Wah wah.."
"It's interesting that as Obama and the Dems push towards
government
control
in every area of America that they can justify (currently
health
care),
other countries are moving away from it. As an example
Canada has
had
socialized medicine for years, and it is the type of
single-payer
system
we
would have under Obamunism. However, as reported by the AP,
Canada
is
considering moving back to private health care delivery.
Why? Because
the
system as it is is imploding:"
"SASKATOON - The incoming president of the Canadian Medical
Association
says
this country's health-care system is sick and doctors need
to develop
a
plan
to cure it."
""We know that there must be change," she said. "We're all
running
flat
out,
we're all just trying to stay ahead of the immediate day-to-day
demands.""
"The pitch for change at the conference is to start with a
presentation
from
Dr. Robert Ouellet, the current president of the CMA, who
has said
there's
a
critical need to make Canada's health-care system
patient-centred.
He
will
present details from his fact-finding trip to Europe in
January,
where
he
met with health groups in England, Denmark, Belgium,
Netherlands
and
France."
"His thoughts on the issue are already clear. Ouellet has
been saying
since
his return that "a health-care revolution has passed us
by," that
it's
possible to make wait lists disappear while maintaining
universal
coverage
and "that competition should be welcomed, not feared." In
other words, Ouellet believes there could be a role for
private
health-care delivery within the public system."
http://www.deadfishwrapper.com/blog/canada-considering-

moving-away-so...

Post by Eddie Haskell

Post by Steve

Post by wy

Post by Eddie Haskell
The name of the site is very apropos because that's where
that news
item exactly belongs, in a dead fish wrapper. So dream on,
Eddie,
but
it ain't gonna happen, especially since there's no love for the
private system among Canadians

I just love it when a plan comes together.
""This was my heart, my choice and my health," Williams said
late
Monday
from his condominium in Sarasota, Fla."
""I did not sign away my right to get the best possible
health care
for
myself when I entered politics.""
Did you get that? "Best possible healthcare?"
heh heh..
Man, being me..
heh heh..
http://www.cbc.ca/canada/newfoundland-labrador/

story/2010/02/23/nl-wi...

Post by Eddie Haskell

Post by Steve

Post by wy

http://www.cbc.ca/health/story/2007/10/15/waittimes-

fraser.html

Post by Eddie Haskell

Post by Steve

Post by wy

You call that something? This is something: Medical Errors Cost US
$8.8 Billion, Result In 238,337 Potentially Preventable
Deaths, Study
Shows.

In the most litigious, ambulance chasing, lawyer driven society
on earth
thanks to democrats, as they are their single largest
contributors?
Very
impressive.
"The Economic Cost of Wait Times in Canada"
"This study, carried out by The Centre for Spatial Economics,
estimates
the
cost of waiting for 4 priority
areas to be $14.8 billion."
A meaningless study since the important thing is that patients came
through the waiting times alive,

How many die because of wait times? Why did you delete where I addressed
that?
Well, if you actually provided links that said how many died, I'd tell
you. But you didn't, so I can't tell you. Try to actually read
the sources you push before you push them, maybe you'll
understand what they're actually talking about.

Putting a number to it would be as much a lie as your "needlessly
die" number, but it is a fact that more people in Canada die
because of wait
times. I'll post the link again while I adopt your strategy of
deleting
and
dismissing your links, and then condemning your comments as crap. Two can
play that game.
http://www.firstthings.com/blogs/secondhandsmoke/2009/07/21/most-

canc...

Post by Eddie Haskell

Post by Steve

Post by wy

You mean to tell me that you spend 40% more on health care per GDP
and get only a 5%-10% better rate of cancer survival in return?
That's not very cost-efficient. I'd really be impressed if you did
60% or 70% better on that 40% extra per GDP.

Going the extra mile to save lives costs exponentially more, but thanks for
admitting that your costs are lower because you let people die. You decide
who lives and who dies based on the cost and worth of the patient.

Yeah, which is why we outlive you guys by over two years.

Actually you don't... you simply have less gang and drug related
deaths...

That's another benefit of having a nearly nonexistent black population
of only 2.5%.

Is that why you think America is inferior to Canada?

Desperate pretense of stupidity aside, It's why you have a higher life
expectancy.

-Eddie Haskell

[5888 Dead, 1031 since 1/20/09]

Post by Eddie Haskell

Post by Eddie Haskell

Post by Eddie Haskell

Post by Steve

Post by wy

news:6317757f-40ad-4828-88db-

news:e8d0a9c1-a89d-48d4-bb16-

news:98f87946-7169-4a4c-8b9f-

news:051c6cbc-

news:ed86822a-4a63-4c89-

Post by Eddie Haskell
While we plunge headlong into it because democrats are
incapable
of
learning. All the children know is "I want it! Wah! I
want it! Gimmie!
gimmie! Wah wah.."
"It's interesting that as Obama and the Dems push towards
government
control
in every area of America that they can justify (currently
health
care),
other countries are moving away from it. As an example
Canada has
had
socialized medicine for years, and it is the type of
single-payer
system
we
would have under Obamunism. However, as reported by the
AP, Canada
is
considering moving back to private health care delivery.
Why? Because
the
system as it is is imploding:"
"SASKATOON - The incoming president of the Canadian
Medical Association
says
this country's health-care system is sick and doctors
need to develop
a
plan
to cure it."
""We know that there must be change," she said. "We're
all running
flat
out,
we're all just trying to stay ahead of the immediate
day-to-day
demands.""
"The pitch for change at the conference is to start with
a presentation
from
Dr. Robert Ouellet, the current president of the CMA, who
has said
there's
a
critical need to make Canada's health-care system
patient-centred.
He
will
present details from his fact-finding trip to Europe in
January,
where
he
met with health groups in England, Denmark, Belgium,
Netherlands
and
France."
"His thoughts on the issue are already clear. Ouellet has
been saying
since
his return that "a health-care revolution has passed us
by," that
it's
possible to make wait lists disappear while maintaining
universal
coverage
and "that competition should be welcomed, not feared." In
other words, Ouellet believes there could be a role for
private
health-care delivery within the public system."
http://www.deadfishwrapper.com/blog/canada-considering-

moving-away-so...

Post by Eddie Haskell

Post by Steve

Post by wy

Post by Eddie Haskell
The name of the site is very apropos because that's where
that news
item exactly belongs, in a dead fish wrapper. So dream
on, Eddie,
but
it ain't gonna happen, especially since there's no love
for the
private system among Canadians

I just love it when a plan comes together.
""This was my heart, my choice and my health," Williams
said late
Monday
from his condominium in Sarasota, Fla."
""I did not sign away my right to get the best possible
health care
for
myself when I entered politics.""
Did you get that? "Best possible healthcare?"
heh heh..
Man, being me..
heh heh..
http://www.cbc.ca/canada/newfoundland-labrador/

story/2010/02/23/nl-wi...

Post by Eddie Haskell

Post by Steve

Post by wy

http://www.cbc.ca/health/story/2007/10/15/waittimes-

fraser.html

Post by Eddie Haskell

Post by Steve

Post by wy

You call that something? This is something: Medical Errors
Cost US
$8.8 Billion, Result In 238,337 Potentially Preventable
Deaths, Study
Shows.

In the most litigious, ambulance chasing, lawyer driven
society on earth
thanks to democrats, as they are their single largest
contributors?
Very
impressive.
"The Economic Cost of Wait Times in Canada"
"This study, carried out by The Centre for Spatial Economics,
estimates
the
cost of waiting for 4 priority
areas to be $14.8 billion."
A meaningless study since the important thing is that patients came
through the waiting times alive,

How many die because of wait times? Why did you delete where I addressed
that?
Well, if you actually provided links that said how many died, I'd tell
you. But you didn't, so I can't tell you. Try to actually read
the sources you push before you push them, maybe you'll
understand what they're actually talking about.

Putting a number to it would be as much a lie as your "needlessly
die" number, but it is a fact that more people in Canada die
because of wait
times. I'll post the link again while I adopt your strategy of
deleting
and
dismissing your links, and then condemning your comments as crap. Two can
play that game.
http://www.firstthings.com/blogs/secondhandsmoke/2009/07/21/most-

canc...

Post by Eddie Haskell

Post by Steve

Post by wy

You mean to tell me that you spend 40% more on health care per
GDP and get only a 5%-10% better rate of cancer survival in
return? That's not very cost-efficient. I'd really be impressed
if you did 60% or 70% better on that 40% extra per GDP.

Going the extra mile to save lives costs exponentially more, but thanks for
admitting that your costs are lower because you let people die. You decide
who lives and who dies based on the cost and worth of the patient.

Yeah, which is why we outlive you guys by over two years.

Actually you don't... you simply have less gang and drug related
deaths...

That's another benefit of having a nearly nonexistent black population
of only 2.5%.

Is that why you think America is inferior to Canada?

Desperate pretense of stupidity aside, It's why you have a higher life
expectancy.

But Canadians outlive white Americans, too. In fact, so do black
Canadians.

Post by Eddie Haskell
-Eddie Haskell

--
Information has never been so free. Even in authoritarian countries
information networks are helping people discover new facts and making
governments more accountable.- US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton,
January 21, 2010

[Eddie Haskell]

Post by 5888 Dead, 1031 since 1/20/09

Post by Eddie Haskell

Post by Eddie Haskell

Post by Eddie Haskell

Post by Steve

Post by wy

news:6317757f-40ad-4828-88db-

news:e8d0a9c1-a89d-48d4-bb16-

news:98f87946-7169-4a4c-8b9f-

news:051c6cbc-

news:ed86822a-4a63-4c89-

Post by Eddie Haskell
While we plunge headlong into it because democrats are
incapable
of
learning. All the children know is "I want it! Wah! I
want it! Gimmie!
gimmie! Wah wah.."
"It's interesting that as Obama and the Dems push towards
government
control
in every area of America that they can justify (currently
health
care),
other countries are moving away from it. As an example
Canada has
had
socialized medicine for years, and it is the type of
single-payer
system
we
would have under Obamunism. However, as reported by the
AP, Canada
is
considering moving back to private health care delivery.
Why? Because
the
system as it is is imploding:"
"SASKATOON - The incoming president of the Canadian
Medical Association
says
this country's health-care system is sick and doctors
need to develop
a
plan
to cure it."
""We know that there must be change," she said. "We're
all running
flat
out,
we're all just trying to stay ahead of the immediate
day-to-day
demands.""
"The pitch for change at the conference is to start with
a presentation
from
Dr. Robert Ouellet, the current president of the CMA, who
has said
there's
a
critical need to make Canada's health-care system
patient-centred.
He
will
present details from his fact-finding trip to Europe in
January,
where
he
met with health groups in England, Denmark, Belgium,
Netherlands
and
France."
"His thoughts on the issue are already clear. Ouellet has
been saying
since
his return that "a health-care revolution has passed us
by," that
it's
possible to make wait lists disappear while maintaining
universal
coverage
and "that competition should be welcomed, not feared." In
other words, Ouellet believes there could be a role for
private
health-care delivery within the public system."
http://www.deadfishwrapper.com/blog/canada-considering-

moving-away-so...

Post by Eddie Haskell

Post by Steve

Post by wy

Post by Eddie Haskell
The name of the site is very apropos because that's where
that news
item exactly belongs, in a dead fish wrapper. So dream
on, Eddie,
but
it ain't gonna happen, especially since there's no love
for the
private system among Canadians

I just love it when a plan comes together.
""This was my heart, my choice and my health," Williams
said late
Monday
from his condominium in Sarasota, Fla."
""I did not sign away my right to get the best possible
health care
for
myself when I entered politics.""
Did you get that? "Best possible healthcare?"
heh heh..
Man, being me..
heh heh..
http://www.cbc.ca/canada/newfoundland-labrador/

story/2010/02/23/nl-wi...

Post by Eddie Haskell

Post by Steve

Post by wy

http://www.cbc.ca/health/story/2007/10/15/waittimes-

fraser.html

Post by Eddie Haskell

Post by Steve

Post by wy

You call that something? This is something: Medical Errors
Cost US
$8.8 Billion, Result In 238,337 Potentially Preventable
Deaths, Study
Shows.

In the most litigious, ambulance chasing, lawyer driven
society on earth
thanks to democrats, as they are their single largest
contributors?
Very
impressive.
"The Economic Cost of Wait Times in Canada"
"This study, carried out by The Centre for Spatial Economics,
estimates
the
cost of waiting for 4 priority
areas to be $14.8 billion."
A meaningless study since the important thing is that patients came
through the waiting times alive,

How many die because of wait times? Why did you delete where I
addressed
that?
Well, if you actually provided links that said how many died, I'd tell
you. But you didn't, so I can't tell you. Try to actually read
the sources you push before you push them, maybe you'll
understand what they're actually talking about.

Putting a number to it would be as much a lie as your "needlessly
die" number, but it is a fact that more people in Canada die
because of wait
times. I'll post the link again while I adopt your strategy of
deleting
and
dismissing your links, and then condemning your comments as crap. Two can
play that game.
http://www.firstthings.com/blogs/secondhandsmoke/2009/07/21/most-

canc...

Post by Eddie Haskell

Post by Steve

Post by wy

You mean to tell me that you spend 40% more on health care per
GDP and get only a 5%-10% better rate of cancer survival in
return? That's not very cost-efficient. I'd really be impressed
if you did 60% or 70% better on that 40% extra per GDP.

Going the extra mile to save lives costs exponentially more, but thanks for
admitting that your costs are lower because you let people die. You decide
who lives and who dies based on the cost and worth of the patient.

Yeah, which is why we outlive you guys by over two years.

Actually you don't... you simply have less gang and drug related
deaths...

That's another benefit of having a nearly nonexistent black population
of only 2.5%.

Is that why you think America is inferior to Canada?

Desperate pretense of stupidity aside, It's why you have a higher life
expectancy.

But Canadians outlive white Americans, too.

Even if true that's because they don't get shot by blacks.

Post by 5888 Dead, 1031 since 1/20/09
In fact, so do black
Canadians.

Even if true that's because there are so few that the grocery stores don't
cater to them with stockpiles of pork and fat back. Also, you don't have
whole cites that have been taken over by them and turned into third world
war zones.

-Eddie Haskell

[Eddie Haskell]

Post by Eddie Haskell

Post by Eddie Haskell

Post by Eddie Haskell

Post by Eddie Haskell

Post by Eddie Haskell

Post by Eddie Haskell
While we plunge headlong into it because democrats are incapable of
learning. All the children know is "I want it! Wah! I want it! Gimmie!
gimmie! Wah wah.."
"It's interesting that as Obama and the Dems push towards government
control
in every area of America that they can justify (currently health care),
other countries are moving away from it. As an example Canada
has
had
socialized medicine for years, and it is the type of
single-payer
system
we
would have under Obamunism. However, as reported by the AP,
Canada
is
considering moving back to private health care delivery. Why?
Because
the
system as it is is imploding:"
"SASKATOON - The incoming president of the Canadian Medical
Association
says
this country's health-care system is sick and doctors need to develop
a
plan
to cure it."
""We know that there must be change," she said. "We're all running
flat
out,
we're all just trying to stay ahead of the immediate day-to-day
demands.""
"The pitch for change at the conference is to start with a
presentation
from
Dr. Robert Ouellet, the current president of the CMA, who has said
there's
a
critical need to make Canada's health-care system
patient-centred.
He
will
present details from his fact-finding trip to Europe in January,
where
he
met with health groups in England, Denmark, Belgium, Netherlands and
France."
"His thoughts on the issue are already clear. Ouellet has been
saying
since
his return that "a health-care revolution has passed us by,"
that
it's
possible to make wait lists disappear while maintaining universal
coverage
and "that competition should be welcomed, not feared."
In other words, Ouellet believes there could be a role for private
health-care delivery within the public system."
http://www.deadfishwrapper.com/blog/canada-considering-moving-away-so...
The name of the site is very apropos because that's where that news
item exactly belongs, in a dead fish wrapper. So dream on,
Eddie,
but
it ain't gonna happen, especially since there's no love for the
private system among Canadians

I just love it when a plan comes together.
""This was my heart, my choice and my health," Williams said late Monday
from his condominium in Sarasota, Fla."
""I did not sign away my right to get the best possible health
care
for
myself when I entered politics.""
Did you get that? "Best possible healthcare?"
heh heh..
Man, being me..
heh heh..
http://www.cbc.ca/canada/newfoundland-labrador/story/2010/02/23/nl-wi...
http://www.cbc.ca/health/story/2007/10/15/waittimes-fraser.html
You call that something? This is something: Medical Errors Cost US
$8.8 Billion, Result In 238,337 Potentially Preventable Deaths, Study
Shows.

In the most litigious, ambulance chasing, lawyer driven society on earth
thanks to democrats, as they are their single largest contributors? Very
impressive.
"The Economic Cost of Wait Times in Canada"
"This study, carried out by The Centre for Spatial Economics,
estimates
the
cost of waiting for 4 priority
areas to be $14.8 billion."
A meaningless study since the important thing is that patients came
through the waiting times alive,

How many die because of wait times? Why did you delete where I addressed
that?
Well, if you actually provided links that said how many died, I'd tell
you. But you didn't, so I can't tell you. Try to actually read the
sources you push before you push them, maybe you'll understand what
they're actually talking about.

Putting a number to it would be as much a lie as your "needlessly die"
number, but it is a fact that more people in Canada die because of wait
times. I'll post the link again while I adopt your strategy of deleting and
dismissing your links, and then condemning your comments as crap. Two can
play that game.
http://www.firstthings.com/blogs/secondhandsmoke/2009/07/21/most-canc...
You mean to tell me that you spend 40% more on health care per GDP and
get only a 5%-10% better rate of cancer survival in return? That's
not very cost-efficient. I'd really be impressed if you did 60% or
70% better on that 40% extra per GDP.

Going the extra mile to save lives costs exponentially more, but thanks for
admitting that your costs are lower because you let people die. You decide
who lives and who dies based on the cost and worth of the patient.
Yeah, which is why we outlive you guys by over two years.
Ours is a more humane society.
By living over two years less than we do, and for the money you spend
on health care? Sounds like a total rip-off to me. You're not very
good at this game, are you?

You have a longer life expectancy because our black population skews the
statistics. Ship our black population to Canada and presto-change-o, we live
longer.

At 36% MS has the highest black population in the country and guess what?

http://articles.cnn.com/2009-07-01/health/obesity.rankings_1_percentage-of-obese-adults-obesity-rate-mississippi?_s=PM:HEALTH

Try again, since you're obviously a glutton for punishment.

I win again.

-Eddie Haskell

[wy]

Post by Eddie Haskell

Post by Eddie Haskell

Post by Eddie Haskell

Post by Eddie Haskell

Post by Eddie Haskell

Post by Eddie Haskell

Post by Eddie Haskell
While we plunge headlong into it because democrats are incapable of
learning. All the children know is "I want it! Wah! I want it!
Gimmie!
gimmie! Wah wah.."
"It's interesting that as Obama and the Dems push towards
government
control
in every area of America that they can justify (currently health
care),
other countries are moving away from it. As an example Canada
has
had
socialized medicine for years, and it is the type of single-payer
system
we
would have under Obamunism. However, as reported by the AP,
Canada
is
considering moving back to private health care delivery. Why?
Because
the
system as it is is imploding:"
"SASKATOON - The incoming president of the Canadian Medical
Association
says
this country's health-care system is sick and doctors need to
develop
a
plan
to cure it."
""We know that there must be change," she said. "We're all running
flat
out,
we're all just trying to stay ahead of the immediate day-to-day
demands.""
"The pitch for change at the conference is to start with a
presentation
from
Dr. Robert Ouellet, the current president of the CMA, who has said
there's
a
critical need to make Canada's health-care system
patient-centred.
He
will
present details from his fact-finding trip to Europe in January,
where
he
met with health groups in England, Denmark, Belgium, Netherlands
and
France."
"His thoughts on the issue are already clear. Ouellet has been
saying
since
his return that "a health-care revolution has passed us by,"
that
it's
possible to make wait lists disappear while maintaining universal
coverage
and "that competition should be welcomed, not feared."
In other words, Ouellet believes there could be a role for private
health-care delivery within the public system."
http://www.deadfishwrapper.com/blog/canada-considering-moving-away-so...
The name of the site is very apropos because that's where that news
item exactly belongs, in a dead fish wrapper. So dream on,
Eddie,
but
it ain't gonna happen, especially since there's no love for the
private system among Canadians

I just love it when a plan comes together.
""This was my heart, my choice and my health," Williams said late
Monday
from his condominium in Sarasota, Fla."
""I did not sign away my right to get the best possible health
care
for
myself when I entered politics.""
Did you get that? "Best possible healthcare?"
heh heh..
Man, being me..
heh heh..
http://www.cbc.ca/canada/newfoundland-labrador/story/2010/02/23/nl-wi...
http://www.cbc.ca/health/story/2007/10/15/waittimes-fraser.html
You call that something? This is something: Medical Errors Cost US
$8.8 Billion, Result In 238,337 Potentially Preventable Deaths, Study
Shows.

In the most litigious, ambulance chasing, lawyer driven society on earth
thanks to democrats, as they are their single largest contributors? Very
impressive.
"The Economic Cost of Wait Times in Canada"
"This study, carried out by The Centre for Spatial Economics,
estimates
the
cost of waiting for 4 priority
areas to be $14.8 billion."
A meaningless study since the important thing is that patients came
through the waiting times alive,

How many die because of wait times? Why did you delete where I addressed
that?
Well, if you actually provided links that said how many died, I'd tell
you. But you didn't, so I can't tell you. Try to actually read the
sources you push before you push them, maybe you'll understand what
they're actually talking about.

Putting a number to it would be as much a lie as your "needlessly die"
number, but it is a fact that more people in Canada die because of wait
times. I'll post the link again while I adopt your strategy of deleting and
dismissing your links, and then condemning your comments as crap. Two can
play that game.
http://www.firstthings.com/blogs/secondhandsmoke/2009/07/21/most-canc...
You mean to tell me that you spend 40% more on health care per GDP and
get only a 5%-10% better rate of cancer survival in return? That's
not very cost-efficient. I'd really be impressed if you did 60% or
70% better on that 40% extra per GDP.

Going the extra mile to save lives costs exponentially more, but thanks for
admitting that your costs are lower because you let people die. You decide
who lives and who dies based on the cost and worth of the patient.
Yeah, which is why we outlive you guys by over two years.
Ours is a more humane society.
By living over two years less than we do, and for the money you spend
on health care?  Sounds like a total rip-off to me.  You're not very
good at this game, are you?

You have a longer life expectancy because our black population skews the
statistics. Ship our black population to Canada and presto-change-o, we live
longer.
At 36% MS has the highest black population in the country and guess what?
http://articles.cnn.com/2009-07-01/health/obesity.rankings_1_percenta...
Try again, since you're obviously a glutton for punishment.
I win again.

I guess you missed the part I wrote to Steve. Here, I'll repeat it
for the brain dead:

That's what you'd like to believe is the reason. And even if it were
true, funny how all those people who get shot and taken to hospitals
still end up dead. Where's the best health care in the world for
them? Oh, yeah, I forgot, they don't have the Cadillac Plan that
Giffords does - you know, the socialized one funded by taxpayers?

[Eddie Haskell]

Post by Eddie Haskell

Post by Eddie Haskell

Post by Eddie Haskell

Post by Eddie Haskell

Post by Eddie Haskell

Post by Eddie Haskell

Post by Eddie Haskell
While we plunge headlong into it because democrats are
incapable
of
learning. All the children know is "I want it! Wah! I want it!
Gimmie!
gimmie! Wah wah.."
"It's interesting that as Obama and the Dems push towards
government
control
in every area of America that they can justify (currently health
care),
other countries are moving away from it. As an example Canada
has
had
socialized medicine for years, and it is the type of single-payer
system
we
would have under Obamunism. However, as reported by the AP,
Canada
is
considering moving back to private health care delivery. Why?
Because
the
system as it is is imploding:"
"SASKATOON - The incoming president of the Canadian Medical
Association
says
this country's health-care system is sick and doctors need to
develop
a
plan
to cure it."
""We know that there must be change," she said. "We're all running
flat
out,
we're all just trying to stay ahead of the immediate day-to-day
demands.""
"The pitch for change at the conference is to start with a
presentation
from
Dr. Robert Ouellet, the current president of the CMA, who has said
there's
a
critical need to make Canada's health-care system
patient-centred.
He
will
present details from his fact-finding trip to Europe in January,
where
he
met with health groups in England, Denmark, Belgium, Netherlands
and
France."
"His thoughts on the issue are already clear. Ouellet has been
saying
since
his return that "a health-care revolution has passed us by,"
that
it's
possible to make wait lists disappear while maintaining universal
coverage
and "that competition should be welcomed, not feared."
In other words, Ouellet believes there could be a role for private
health-care delivery within the public system."
http://www.deadfishwrapper.com/blog/canada-considering-moving-away-so...
The name of the site is very apropos because that's where that news
item exactly belongs, in a dead fish wrapper. So dream on,
Eddie,
but
it ain't gonna happen, especially since there's no love for the
private system among Canadians

I just love it when a plan comes together.
""This was my heart, my choice and my health," Williams said late
Monday
from his condominium in Sarasota, Fla."
""I did not sign away my right to get the best possible health
care
for
myself when I entered politics.""
Did you get that? "Best possible healthcare?"
heh heh..
Man, being me..
heh heh..
http://www.cbc.ca/canada/newfoundland-labrador/story/2010/02/23/nl-wi...
http://www.cbc.ca/health/story/2007/10/15/waittimes-fraser.html
You call that something? This is something: Medical Errors Cost US
$8.8 Billion, Result In 238,337 Potentially Preventable Deaths, Study
Shows.

In the most litigious, ambulance chasing, lawyer driven society on earth
thanks to democrats, as they are their single largest
contributors?
Very
impressive.
"The Economic Cost of Wait Times in Canada"
"This study, carried out by The Centre for Spatial Economics,
estimates
the
cost of waiting for 4 priority
areas to be $14.8 billion."
A meaningless study since the important thing is that patients came
through the waiting times alive,

How many die because of wait times? Why did you delete where I addressed
that?
Well, if you actually provided links that said how many died, I'd tell
you. But you didn't, so I can't tell you. Try to actually read the
sources you push before you push them, maybe you'll understand what
they're actually talking about.

Putting a number to it would be as much a lie as your "needlessly die"
number, but it is a fact that more people in Canada die because of wait
times. I'll post the link again while I adopt your strategy of
deleting
and
dismissing your links, and then condemning your comments as crap. Two can
play that game.
http://www.firstthings.com/blogs/secondhandsmoke/2009/07/21/most-canc...
You mean to tell me that you spend 40% more on health care per GDP and
get only a 5%-10% better rate of cancer survival in return? That's
not very cost-efficient. I'd really be impressed if you did 60% or
70% better on that 40% extra per GDP.

Going the extra mile to save lives costs exponentially more, but thanks for
admitting that your costs are lower because you let people die. You decide
who lives and who dies based on the cost and worth of the patient.
Yeah, which is why we outlive you guys by over two years.
Ours is a more humane society.
By living over two years less than we do, and for the money you spend
on health care? Sounds like a total rip-off to me. You're not very
good at this game, are you?

You have a longer life expectancy because our black population skews the
statistics. Ship our black population to Canada and presto-change-o, we live
longer.
At 36% MS has the highest black population in the country and guess what?
http://articles.cnn.com/2009-07-01/health/obesity.rankings_1_percenta...
Try again, since you're obviously a glutton for punishment.
I win again.
I guess you missed the part I wrote to Steve. Here, I'll repeat it
That's what you'd like to believe is the reason. And even if it were
true, funny how all those people who get shot and taken to hospitals
still end up dead.

Yeah, getting shot tends to increase that likelihood. People who get shot in
Canada always live? Really, don't you think you should quit now before you
sink any further?

Post by Eddie Haskell
Where's the best health care in the world for
them? Oh, yeah, I forgot, they don't have the Cadillac Plan that
Giffords does - you know, the socialized one funded by taxpayers?

You don't even need health insurance in the US to get treated for a gun shot
wound.

Higher violence rate coupled with higher obesity rate among blacks who have
a lower life expectancy than whites skews the stats. That's a fact. Now, run
along.

You lose again.

-Eddie Haskell

[wy]

Post by Eddie Haskell

Post by Eddie Haskell

Post by Eddie Haskell

Post by Eddie Haskell

Post by Eddie Haskell

Post by Eddie Haskell

Post by Eddie Haskell

Post by Eddie Haskell
While we plunge headlong into it because democrats are
incapable
of
learning. All the children know is "I want it! Wah! I want it!
Gimmie!
gimmie! Wah wah.."
"It's interesting that as Obama and the Dems push towards
government
control
in every area of America that they can justify (currently
health
care),
other countries are moving away from it. As an example Canada
has
had
socialized medicine for years, and it is the type of
single-payer
system
we
would have under Obamunism. However, as reported by the AP,
Canada
is
considering moving back to private health care delivery. Why?
Because
the
system as it is is imploding:"
"SASKATOON - The incoming president of the Canadian Medical
Association
says
this country's health-care system is sick and doctors need to
develop
a
plan
to cure it."
""We know that there must be change," she said. "We're all
running
flat
out,
we're all just trying to stay ahead of the immediate day-to-day
demands.""
"The pitch for change at the conference is to start with a
presentation
from
Dr. Robert Ouellet, the current president of the CMA, who has
said
there's
a
critical need to make Canada's health-care system
patient-centred.
He
will
present details from his fact-finding trip to Europe in
January,
where
he
met with health groups in England, Denmark, Belgium,
Netherlands
and
France."
"His thoughts on the issue are already clear. Ouellet has been
saying
since
his return that "a health-care revolution has passed us by,"
that
it's
possible to make wait lists disappear while maintaining
universal
coverage
and "that competition should be welcomed, not feared."
In other words, Ouellet believes there could be a role for
private
health-care delivery within the public system."
http://www.deadfishwrapper.com/blog/canada-considering-moving-away-so...
The name of the site is very apropos because that's where that
news
item exactly belongs, in a dead fish wrapper. So dream on,
Eddie,
but
it ain't gonna happen, especially since there's no love for the
private system among Canadians

I just love it when a plan comes together.
""This was my heart, my choice and my health," Williams said late
Monday
from his condominium in Sarasota, Fla."
""I did not sign away my right to get the best possible health
care
for
myself when I entered politics.""
Did you get that? "Best possible healthcare?"
heh heh..
Man, being me..
heh heh..
http://www.cbc.ca/canada/newfoundland-labrador/story/2010/02/23/nl-wi...
http://www.cbc.ca/health/story/2007/10/15/waittimes-fraser.html
You call that something? This is something: Medical Errors Cost US
$8.8 Billion, Result In 238,337 Potentially Preventable Deaths,
Study
Shows.

In the most litigious, ambulance chasing, lawyer driven society on
earth
thanks to democrats, as they are their single largest
contributors?
Very
impressive.
"The Economic Cost of Wait Times in Canada"
"This study, carried out by The Centre for Spatial Economics,
estimates
the
cost of waiting for 4 priority
areas to be $14.8 billion."
A meaningless study since the important thing is that patients came
through the waiting times alive,

How many die because of wait times? Why did you delete where I addressed
that?
Well, if you actually provided links that said how many died, I'd tell
you. But you didn't, so I can't tell you. Try to actually read the
sources you push before you push them, maybe you'll understand what
they're actually talking about.

Putting a number to it would be as much a lie as your "needlessly die"
number, but it is a fact that more people in Canada die because of wait
times. I'll post the link again while I adopt your strategy of
deleting
and
dismissing your links, and then condemning your comments as crap. Two can
play that game.
http://www.firstthings.com/blogs/secondhandsmoke/2009/07/21/most-canc...
You mean to tell me that you spend 40% more on health care per GDP and
get only a 5%-10% better rate of cancer survival in return? That's
not very cost-efficient. I'd really be impressed if you did 60% or
70% better on that 40% extra per GDP.

Going the extra mile to save lives costs exponentially more, but thanks for
admitting that your costs are lower because you let people die. You decide
who lives and who dies based on the cost and worth of the patient.
Yeah, which is why we outlive you guys by over two years.
Ours is a more humane society.
By living over two years less than we do, and for the money you spend
on health care? Sounds like a total rip-off to me. You're not very
good at this game, are you?

You have a longer life expectancy because our black population skews the
statistics. Ship our black population to Canada and presto-change-o, we live
longer.
At 36% MS has the highest black population in the country and guess what?
http://articles.cnn.com/2009-07-01/health/obesity.rankings_1_percenta...
Try again, since you're obviously a glutton for punishment.
I win again.
I guess you missed the part I wrote to Steve.  Here, I'll repeat it
That's what you'd like to believe is the reason.  And even if it were
true, funny how all those people who get shot and taken to hospitals
still end up dead.

Yeah, getting shot tends to increase that likelihood. People who get shot in
Canada always live? Really, don't you think you should quit now before you
sink any further?

You mean to tell me that those who get shot in the US don't always
survive the bullet under the "best health care system in the world"?
Well, then you just can't keep going around calling your system that
now, can you?

Post by Eddie Haskell

Post by Eddie Haskell
 Where's the best health care in the world for
them?  Oh, yeah, I forgot, they don't have the Cadillac Plan that
Giffords does - you know, the socialized one funded by taxpayers?

You don't even need health insurance in the US to get treated for a gun shot
wound.

So you do have socialized medicine. What are you arguing about, then?

Post by Eddie Haskell
Higher violence rate coupled with higher obesity rate among blacks who have
a lower life expectancy than whites skews the stats. That's a fact. Now, run
along.

If two-thirds of Americans are fat and blacks only make up one-sixth
of the US population, then guess who outweighs the other? Assuming
you passed grade 3 math with flying colors, you'll get the answer
right, but I'll give you a hint anyway: it's not black.

[Eddie Haskell]

Post by Eddie Haskell

Post by Eddie Haskell

Post by Eddie Haskell

Post by Eddie Haskell

Post by Eddie Haskell

Post by Eddie Haskell

Post by Eddie Haskell

Post by Eddie Haskell
While we plunge headlong into it because democrats are
incapable
of
learning. All the children know is "I want it! Wah! I want it!
Gimmie!
gimmie! Wah wah.."
"It's interesting that as Obama and the Dems push towards
government
control
in every area of America that they can justify (currently
health
care),
other countries are moving away from it. As an example Canada
has
had
socialized medicine for years, and it is the type of
single-payer
system
we
would have under Obamunism. However, as reported by the AP,
Canada
is
considering moving back to private health care delivery. Why?
Because
the
system as it is is imploding:"
"SASKATOON - The incoming president of the Canadian Medical
Association
says
this country's health-care system is sick and doctors need to
develop
a
plan
to cure it."
""We know that there must be change," she said. "We're all
running
flat
out,
we're all just trying to stay ahead of the immediate day-to-day
demands.""
"The pitch for change at the conference is to start with a
presentation
from
Dr. Robert Ouellet, the current president of the CMA, who has
said
there's
a
critical need to make Canada's health-care system
patient-centred.
He
will
present details from his fact-finding trip to Europe in
January,
where
he
met with health groups in England, Denmark, Belgium,
Netherlands
and
France."
"His thoughts on the issue are already clear. Ouellet has been
saying
since
his return that "a health-care revolution has passed us by,"
that
it's
possible to make wait lists disappear while maintaining
universal
coverage
and "that competition should be welcomed, not feared."
In other words, Ouellet believes there could be a role for
private
health-care delivery within the public system."
http://www.deadfishwrapper.com/blog/canada-considering-moving-away-so...
The name of the site is very apropos because that's where that
news
item exactly belongs, in a dead fish wrapper. So dream on,
Eddie,
but
it ain't gonna happen, especially since there's no love for the
private system among Canadians

I just love it when a plan comes together.
""This was my heart, my choice and my health," Williams said late
Monday
from his condominium in Sarasota, Fla."
""I did not sign away my right to get the best possible health
care
for
myself when I entered politics.""
Did you get that? "Best possible healthcare?"
heh heh..
Man, being me..
heh heh..
http://www.cbc.ca/canada/newfoundland-labrador/story/2010/02/23/nl-wi...
http://www.cbc.ca/health/story/2007/10/15/waittimes-fraser.html
You call that something? This is something: Medical Errors
Cost
US
$8.8 Billion, Result In 238,337 Potentially Preventable Deaths,
Study
Shows.

In the most litigious, ambulance chasing, lawyer driven society on
earth
thanks to democrats, as they are their single largest
contributors?
Very
impressive.
"The Economic Cost of Wait Times in Canada"
"This study, carried out by The Centre for Spatial Economics,
estimates
the
cost of waiting for 4 priority
areas to be $14.8 billion."
A meaningless study since the important thing is that patients came
through the waiting times alive,

How many die because of wait times? Why did you delete where I addressed
that?
Well, if you actually provided links that said how many died, I'd tell
you. But you didn't, so I can't tell you. Try to actually read the
sources you push before you push them, maybe you'll understand what
they're actually talking about.

Putting a number to it would be as much a lie as your "needlessly die"
number, but it is a fact that more people in Canada die because of wait
times. I'll post the link again while I adopt your strategy of
deleting
and
dismissing your links, and then condemning your comments as crap.
Two
can
play that game.
http://www.firstthings.com/blogs/secondhandsmoke/2009/07/21/most-canc...
You mean to tell me that you spend 40% more on health care per GDP and
get only a 5%-10% better rate of cancer survival in return? That's
not very cost-efficient. I'd really be impressed if you did 60% or
70% better on that 40% extra per GDP.

Going the extra mile to save lives costs exponentially more, but
thanks
for
admitting that your costs are lower because you let people die. You decide
who lives and who dies based on the cost and worth of the patient.
Yeah, which is why we outlive you guys by over two years.
Ours is a more humane society.
By living over two years less than we do, and for the money you spend
on health care? Sounds like a total rip-off to me. You're not very
good at this game, are you?

You have a longer life expectancy because our black population skews the
statistics. Ship our black population to Canada and presto-change-o, we live
longer.
At 36% MS has the highest black population in the country and guess what?
http://articles.cnn.com/2009-07-01/health/obesity.rankings_1_percenta...
Try again, since you're obviously a glutton for punishment.
I win again.
I guess you missed the part I wrote to Steve. Here, I'll repeat it
That's what you'd like to believe is the reason. And even if it were
true, funny how all those people who get shot and taken to hospitals
still end up dead.

Yeah, getting shot tends to increase that likelihood. People who get shot in
Canada always live? Really, don't you think you should quit now before you
sink any further?
You mean to tell me that those who get shot in the US don't always
survive the bullet under the "best health care system in the world"?

Correct.

Post by Eddie Haskell
Well, then you just can't keep going around calling your system that
now, can you?

Sure can. So can Canadian Danny Williams.

""This was my heart, my choice and my health," Williams said late Monday
from his condominium in Sarasota, Fla."

""I did not sign away my right to get the best possible health care for
myself when I entered politics.""

Did you get that? "Best possible healthcare?"

http://www.cbc.ca/canada/newfoundland-labrador/story/2010/02/23/nl-williams-heartcp-230210.html#ixzz1BQNDi28S

Are you going to tell me that no one dies in Canada from getting shot
because your healthcare is supposed to be better than ours?

Really, take my advice and bail. You're only digging yourself in deeper.

Post by Eddie Haskell

Post by Eddie Haskell
Where's the best health care in the world for
them? Oh, yeah, I forgot, they don't have the Cadillac Plan that
Giffords does - you know, the socialized one funded by taxpayers?

You don't even need health insurance in the US to get treated for a gun shot
wound.
So you do have socialized medicine.

No.

Post by Eddie Haskell
What are you arguing about, then?

The fact that Husseincare will institute rationing, and subject people to
death panels just like in Canada.

Post by Eddie Haskell
Higher violence rate coupled with higher obesity rate among blacks who have
a lower life expectancy than whites skews the stats. That's a fact. Now, run
along.
If two-thirds of Americans are fat and blacks only make up one-sixth
of the US population, then guess who outweighs the other? Assuming
you passed grade 3 math with flying colors, you'll get the answer
right, but I'll give you a hint anyway: it's not black.

It's blacks per-capita. Perhaps stats aren't your strong suit.

At any rate you just argued that Americans don't live as long because they
are fat and not because of the healthcare system. Thanks for that. See what
I mean about you digging yourself in deeper?

Heh heh..

Ohh, camptown racetrack five miles long. do dah.. do dah..

-Eddie Haskell

[wy]

Post by Eddie Haskell

Post by Eddie Haskell

Post by Eddie Haskell

Post by Eddie Haskell

Post by Eddie Haskell

Post by Eddie Haskell

Post by Eddie Haskell

Post by Eddie Haskell

Post by Eddie Haskell
While we plunge headlong into it because democrats are
incapable
of
learning. All the children know is "I want it! Wah! I want
it!
Gimmie!
gimmie! Wah wah.."
"It's interesting that as Obama and the Dems push towards
government
control
in every area of America that they can justify (currently
health
care),
other countries are moving away from it. As an example
Canada
has
had
socialized medicine for years, and it is the type of
single-payer
system
we
would have under Obamunism. However, as reported by the AP,
Canada
is
considering moving back to private health care delivery.
Why?
Because
the
system as it is is imploding:"
"SASKATOON - The incoming president of the Canadian Medical
Association
says
this country's health-care system is sick and doctors need
to
develop
a
plan
to cure it."
""We know that there must be change," she said. "We're all
running
flat
out,
we're all just trying to stay ahead of the immediate
day-to-day
demands.""
"The pitch for change at the conference is to start with a
presentation
from
Dr. Robert Ouellet, the current president of the CMA, who
has
said
there's
a
critical need to make Canada's health-care system
patient-centred.
He
will
present details from his fact-finding trip to Europe in
January,
where
he
met with health groups in England, Denmark, Belgium,
Netherlands
and
France."
"His thoughts on the issue are already clear. Ouellet has
been
saying
since
his return that "a health-care revolution has passed us by,"
that
it's
possible to make wait lists disappear while maintaining
universal
coverage
and "that competition should be welcomed, not feared."
In other words, Ouellet believes there could be a role for
private
health-care delivery within the public system."
http://www.deadfishwrapper.com/blog/canada-considering-moving-away-so...
The name of the site is very apropos because that's where
that
news
item exactly belongs, in a dead fish wrapper. So dream on,
Eddie,
but
it ain't gonna happen, especially since there's no love for
the
private system among Canadians

I just love it when a plan comes together.
""This was my heart, my choice and my health," Williams said
late
Monday
from his condominium in Sarasota, Fla."
""I did not sign away my right to get the best possible health
care
for
myself when I entered politics.""
Did you get that? "Best possible healthcare?"
heh heh..
Man, being me..
heh heh..
http://www.cbc.ca/canada/newfoundland-labrador/story/2010/02/23/nl-wi...
http://www.cbc.ca/health/story/2007/10/15/waittimes-fraser.html
You call that something? This is something: Medical Errors
Cost
US
$8.8 Billion, Result In 238,337 Potentially Preventable Deaths,
Study
Shows.

In the most litigious, ambulance chasing, lawyer driven society on
earth
thanks to democrats, as they are their single largest
contributors?
Very
impressive.
"The Economic Cost of Wait Times in Canada"
"This study, carried out by The Centre for Spatial Economics,
estimates
the
cost of waiting for 4 priority
areas to be $14.8 billion."
A meaningless study since the important thing is that patients came
through the waiting times alive,

How many die because of wait times? Why did you delete where I
addressed
that?
Well, if you actually provided links that said how many died, I'd tell
you. But you didn't, so I can't tell you. Try to actually read the
sources you push before you push them, maybe you'll understand what
they're actually talking about.

Putting a number to it would be as much a lie as your "needlessly die"
number, but it is a fact that more people in Canada die because of wait
times. I'll post the link again while I adopt your strategy of
deleting
and
dismissing your links, and then condemning your comments as crap.
Two
can
play that game.
http://www.firstthings.com/blogs/secondhandsmoke/2009/07/21/most-canc...
You mean to tell me that you spend 40% more on health care per GDP and
get only a 5%-10% better rate of cancer survival in return? That's
not very cost-efficient. I'd really be impressed if you did 60% or
70% better on that 40% extra per GDP.

Going the extra mile to save lives costs exponentially more, but
thanks
for
admitting that your costs are lower because you let people die. You decide
who lives and who dies based on the cost and worth of the patient.
Yeah, which is why we outlive you guys by over two years.
Ours is a more humane society.
By living over two years less than we do, and for the money you spend
on health care? Sounds like a total rip-off to me. You're not very
good at this game, are you?

You have a longer life expectancy because our black population skews the
statistics. Ship our black population to Canada and presto-change-o, we live
longer.
At 36% MS has the highest black population in the country and guess what?
http://articles.cnn.com/2009-07-01/health/obesity.rankings_1_percenta...
Try again, since you're obviously a glutton for punishment.
I win again.
I guess you missed the part I wrote to Steve. Here, I'll repeat it
That's what you'd like to believe is the reason. And even if it were
true, funny how all those people who get shot and taken to hospitals
still end up dead.

Yeah, getting shot tends to increase that likelihood. People who get shot in
Canada always live? Really, don't you think you should quit now before you
sink any further?
You mean to tell me that those who get shot in the US don't always
survive the bullet under the "best health care system in the world"?

Correct.

Post by Eddie Haskell
Well, then you just can't keep going around calling your system that
now, can you?

Sure can. So can Canadian Danny Williams.
""This was my heart, my choice and my health," Williams said late Monday
from his condominium in Sarasota, Fla."
""I did not sign away my right to get the best possible health care for
myself when I entered politics.""
Did you get that? "Best possible healthcare?"
http://www.cbc.ca/canada/newfoundland-labrador/story/2010/02/23/nl-wi...

All he had was a leaky valve, big deal. A friend of mine in Ontario
had that, went to the local hospital, they fixed the problem and he's
has good as new. But then, my buddy isn't a scaredy-cat Conservative
afraid of the Big Bad Government Health Care System the way Williams
is. Private health care is for sissies, you gotta be a real man to go
under the knife of government health care. Williams is just a pussy
boy and guys like you like to look up to pussy boys, don't you?

[Eddie Haskell]

Post by Eddie Haskell

Post by Eddie Haskell

Post by Eddie Haskell

Post by Eddie Haskell

Post by Eddie Haskell

Post by Eddie Haskell

Post by Eddie Haskell

Post by Eddie Haskell

Post by Eddie Haskell
While we plunge headlong into it because democrats are
incapable
of
learning. All the children know is "I want it! Wah! I want
it!
Gimmie!
gimmie! Wah wah.."
"It's interesting that as Obama and the Dems push towards
government
control
in every area of America that they can justify (currently
health
care),
other countries are moving away from it. As an example
Canada
has
had
socialized medicine for years, and it is the type of
single-payer
system
we
would have under Obamunism. However, as reported by the AP,
Canada
is
considering moving back to private health care delivery.
Why?
Because
the
system as it is is imploding:"
"SASKATOON - The incoming president of the Canadian Medical
Association
says
this country's health-care system is sick and doctors need
to
develop
a
plan
to cure it."
""We know that there must be change," she said. "We're all
running
flat
out,
we're all just trying to stay ahead of the immediate
day-to-day
demands.""
"The pitch for change at the conference is to start with a
presentation
from
Dr. Robert Ouellet, the current president of the CMA, who
has
said
there's
a
critical need to make Canada's health-care system
patient-centred.
He
will
present details from his fact-finding trip to Europe in
January,
where
he
met with health groups in England, Denmark, Belgium,
Netherlands
and
France."
"His thoughts on the issue are already clear. Ouellet has
been
saying
since
his return that "a health-care revolution has passed us
by,"
that
it's
possible to make wait lists disappear while maintaining
universal
coverage
and "that competition should be welcomed, not feared."
In other words, Ouellet believes there could be a role for
private
health-care delivery within the public system."
http://www.deadfishwrapper.com/blog/canada-considering-moving-away-so...
The name of the site is very apropos because that's where
that
news
item exactly belongs, in a dead fish wrapper. So dream on,
Eddie,
but
it ain't gonna happen, especially since there's no love for
the
private system among Canadians

I just love it when a plan comes together.
""This was my heart, my choice and my health," Williams said
late
Monday
from his condominium in Sarasota, Fla."
""I did not sign away my right to get the best possible health
care
for
myself when I entered politics.""
Did you get that? "Best possible healthcare?"
heh heh..
Man, being me..
heh heh..
http://www.cbc.ca/canada/newfoundland-labrador/story/2010/02/23/nl-wi...
http://www.cbc.ca/health/story/2007/10/15/waittimes-fraser.html
You call that something? This is something: Medical Errors
Cost
US
$8.8 Billion, Result In 238,337 Potentially Preventable Deaths,
Study
Shows.

In the most litigious, ambulance chasing, lawyer driven
society
on
earth
thanks to democrats, as they are their single largest
contributors?
Very
impressive.
"The Economic Cost of Wait Times in Canada"
"This study, carried out by The Centre for Spatial Economics,
estimates
the
cost of waiting for 4 priority
areas to be $14.8 billion."
A meaningless study since the important thing is that patients came
through the waiting times alive,

How many die because of wait times? Why did you delete where I
addressed
that?
Well, if you actually provided links that said how many died,
I'd
tell
you. But you didn't, so I can't tell you. Try to actually read the
sources you push before you push them, maybe you'll understand what
they're actually talking about.

Putting a number to it would be as much a lie as your "needlessly die"
number, but it is a fact that more people in Canada die because of wait
times. I'll post the link again while I adopt your strategy of
deleting
and
dismissing your links, and then condemning your comments as crap.
Two
can
play that game.
http://www.firstthings.com/blogs/secondhandsmoke/2009/07/21/most-canc...
You mean to tell me that you spend 40% more on health care per GDP and
get only a 5%-10% better rate of cancer survival in return? That's
not very cost-efficient. I'd really be impressed if you did 60% or
70% better on that 40% extra per GDP.

Going the extra mile to save lives costs exponentially more, but
thanks
for
admitting that your costs are lower because you let people die. You decide
who lives and who dies based on the cost and worth of the patient.
Yeah, which is why we outlive you guys by over two years.
Ours is a more humane society.
By living over two years less than we do, and for the money you spend
on health care? Sounds like a total rip-off to me. You're not very
good at this game, are you?

You have a longer life expectancy because our black population skews the
statistics. Ship our black population to Canada and presto-change-o,
we
live
longer.
At 36% MS has the highest black population in the country and guess what?
http://articles.cnn.com/2009-07-01/health/obesity.rankings_1_percenta...
Try again, since you're obviously a glutton for punishment.
I win again.
I guess you missed the part I wrote to Steve. Here, I'll repeat it
That's what you'd like to believe is the reason. And even if it were
true, funny how all those people who get shot and taken to hospitals
still end up dead.

Yeah, getting shot tends to increase that likelihood. People who get
shot
in
Canada always live? Really, don't you think you should quit now before you
sink any further?
You mean to tell me that those who get shot in the US don't always
survive the bullet under the "best health care system in the world"?

Correct.

Post by Eddie Haskell
Well, then you just can't keep going around calling your system that
now, can you?

Sure can. So can Canadian Danny Williams.
""This was my heart, my choice and my health," Williams said late Monday
from his condominium in Sarasota, Fla."
""I did not sign away my right to get the best possible health care for
myself when I entered politics.""
Did you get that? "Best possible healthcare?"
http://www.cbc.ca/canada/newfoundland-labrador/story/2010/02/23/nl-wi...
All he had was a leaky valve, big deal. A friend of mine in Ontario
had that, went to the local hospital, they fixed the problem and he's
has good as new. But then, my buddy isn't a scaredy-cat Conservative
afraid of the Big Bad Government Health Care System the way Williams
is. Private health care is for sissies, you gotta be a real man to go
under the knife of government health care. Williams is just a pussy
boy and guys like you like to look up to pussy boys, don't you?

Yeah, everyone should be prepared to go under the knife for the cause, and
avoid those less invasive surgeries.

"The minimally invasive mitral valve surgery he needed is not available in
Newfoundland, he told his province's NTV News channel in the first part of
an interview aired last night."

"Did some checking, of course, and what was ultimately done to me, the
surgery I eventually got ... was not offered to me in Canada"

-Danny Williams, extolling the superiority of US healthcare.

Ready to throw in the towel yet, or would you like some more public
humiliation?

-Eddie Haskell

[wy]

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Post by Eddie Haskell
While we plunge headlong into it because democrats are
incapable
of
learning. All the children know is "I want it! Wah! I want
it!
Gimmie!
gimmie! Wah wah.."
"It's interesting that as Obama and the Dems push towards
government
control
in every area of America that they can justify (currently
health
care),
other countries are moving away from it. As an example
Canada
has
had
socialized medicine for years, and it is the type of
single-payer
system
we
would have under Obamunism. However, as reported by the
AP,
Canada
is
considering moving back to private health care delivery.
Why?
Because
the
system as it is is imploding:"
"SASKATOON - The incoming president of the Canadian
Medical
Association
says
this country's health-care system is sick and doctors need
to
develop
a
plan
to cure it."
""We know that there must be change," she said. "We're all
running
flat
out,
we're all just trying to stay ahead of the immediate
day-to-day
demands.""
"The pitch for change at the conference is to start with a
presentation
from
Dr. Robert Ouellet, the current president of the CMA, who
has
said
there's
a
critical need to make Canada's health-care system
patient-centred.
He
will
present details from his fact-finding trip to Europe in
January,
where
he
met with health groups in England, Denmark, Belgium,
Netherlands
and
France."
"His thoughts on the issue are already clear. Ouellet has
been
saying
since
his return that "a health-care revolution has passed us
by,"
that
it's
possible to make wait lists disappear while maintaining
universal
coverage
and "that competition should be welcomed, not feared."
In other words, Ouellet believes there could be a role for
private
health-care delivery within the public system."
http://www.deadfishwrapper.com/blog/canada-considering-moving-away-so...
The name of the site is very apropos because that's where
that
news
item exactly belongs, in a dead fish wrapper. So dream on,
Eddie,
but
it ain't gonna happen, especially since there's no love
for
the
private system among Canadians

I just love it when a plan comes together.
""This was my heart, my choice and my health," Williams said
late
Monday
from his condominium in Sarasota, Fla."
""I did not sign away my right to get the best possible
health
care
for
myself when I entered politics.""
Did you get that? "Best possible healthcare?"
heh heh..
Man, being me..
heh heh..
http://www.cbc.ca/canada/newfoundland-labrador/story/2010/02/23/nl-wi...
http://www.cbc.ca/health/story/2007/10/15/waittimes-fraser.html
You call that something? This is something: Medical Errors
Cost
US
$8.8 Billion, Result In 238,337 Potentially Preventable
Deaths,
Study
Shows.

In the most litigious, ambulance chasing, lawyer driven
society
on
earth
thanks to democrats, as they are their single largest
contributors?
Very
impressive.
"The Economic Cost of Wait Times in Canada"
"This study, carried out by The Centre for Spatial Economics,
estimates
the
cost of waiting for 4 priority
areas to be $14.8 billion."
A meaningless study since the important thing is that patients
came
through the waiting times alive,

How many die because of wait times? Why did you delete where I
addressed
that?
Well, if you actually provided links that said how many died,
I'd
tell
you. But you didn't, so I can't tell you. Try to actually read the
sources you push before you push them, maybe you'll understand what
they're actually talking about.

Putting a number to it would be as much a lie as your "needlessly die"
number, but it is a fact that more people in Canada die because of wait
times. I'll post the link again while I adopt your strategy of
deleting
and
dismissing your links, and then condemning your comments as crap.
Two
can
play that game.
http://www.firstthings.com/blogs/secondhandsmoke/2009/07/21/most-canc...
You mean to tell me that you spend 40% more on health care per GDP and
get only a 5%-10% better rate of cancer survival in return? That's
not very cost-efficient. I'd really be impressed if you did 60% or
70% better on that 40% extra per GDP.

Going the extra mile to save lives costs exponentially more, but
thanks
for
admitting that your costs are lower because you let people die. You decide
who lives and who dies based on the cost and worth of the patient.
Yeah, which is why we outlive you guys by over two years.
Ours is a more humane society.
By living over two years less than we do, and for the money you spend
on health care? Sounds like a total rip-off to me. You're not very
good at this game, are you?

You have a longer life expectancy because our black population skews the
statistics. Ship our black population to Canada and presto-change-o,
we
live
longer.
At 36% MS has the highest black population in the country and guess what?
http://articles.cnn.com/2009-07-01/health/obesity.rankings_1_percenta...
Try again, since you're obviously a glutton for punishment.
I win again.
I guess you missed the part I wrote to Steve. Here, I'll repeat it
That's what you'd like to believe is the reason. And even if it were
true, funny how all those people who get shot and taken to hospitals
still end up dead.

Yeah, getting shot tends to increase that likelihood. People who get
shot
in
Canada always live? Really, don't you think you should quit now before you
sink any further?
You mean to tell me that those who get shot in the US don't always
survive the bullet under the "best health care system in the world"?

Correct.

Post by Eddie Haskell
Well, then you just can't keep going around calling your system that
now, can you?

Sure can. So can Canadian Danny Williams.
""This was my heart, my choice and my health," Williams said late Monday
from his condominium in Sarasota, Fla."
""I did not sign away my right to get the best possible health care for
myself when I entered politics.""
Did you get that? "Best possible healthcare?"
http://www.cbc.ca/canada/newfoundland-labrador/story/2010/02/23/nl-wi...
All he had was a leaky valve, big deal.  A friend of mine in Ontario
had that, went to the local hospital, they fixed the problem and he's
has good as new.  But then, my buddy isn't a scaredy-cat Conservative
afraid of the Big Bad Government Health Care System the way Williams
is.  Private health care is for sissies, you gotta be a real man to go
under the knife of government health care.  Williams is just a pussy
boy and guys like you like to look up to pussy boys, don't you?

Yeah, everyone should be prepared to go under the knife for the cause, and
avoid those less invasive surgeries.
"The minimally invasive mitral valve surgery he needed is not available in
Newfoundland, he told his province's NTV News channel in the first part of
an interview aired last night."
"Did some checking, of course, and what was ultimately done to me, the
surgery I eventually got ... was not offered to me in Canada"
-Danny Williams, extolling the superiority of US healthcare.
Ready to throw in the towel yet, or would you like some more public
humiliation?

And now for the punch line: He could've had the exact same thing done
in Canada.

http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/288455

I think I'll have me a good belly laugh now -

Aha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-haaaaaaaaaa..........

[Boo Hoo Boner - Human Filth]

Post by Eddie Haskell

Post by Eddie Haskell
While we plunge headlong into it because democrats are incapable of
learning. All the children know is "I want it! Wah! I want it! Gimmie!
gimmie! Wah wah.."
"It's interesting that as Obama and the Dems push towards government control
in every area of America that they can justify (currently health care),
other countries are moving away from it. As an example Canada has had
socialized medicine for years, and it is the type of single-payer system we
would have under Obamunism. However, as reported by the AP, Canada is
considering moving back to private health care delivery. Why? Because the
system as it is is imploding:"
"SASKATOON - The incoming president of the Canadian Medical Association says
this country's health-care system is sick and doctors need to develop a plan
to cure it."
""We know that there must be change," she said. "We're all running flat out,
we're all just trying to stay ahead of the immediate day-to-day demands.""
"The pitch for change at the conference is to start with a presentation from
Dr. Robert Ouellet, the current president of the CMA, who has said there's a
critical need to make Canada's health-care system patient-centred. He will
present details from his fact-finding trip to Europe in January, where he
met with health groups in England, Denmark, Belgium, Netherlands and
France."
"His thoughts on the issue are already clear. Ouellet has been saying since
his return that "a health-care revolution has passed us by," that it's
possible to make wait lists disappear while maintaining universal coverage
and "that competition should be welcomed, not feared."
In other words, Ouellet believes there could be a role for private
health-care delivery within the public system."
http://www.deadfishwrapper.com/blog/canada-considering-moving-away-so...
The name of the site is very apropos because that's where that news
item exactly belongs, in a dead fish wrapper. So dream on, Eddie, but
it ain't gonna happen, especially since there's no love for the
private system among Canadians

I just love it when a plan comes together.
""This was my heart, my choice and my health," Williams said late Monday
from his condominium in Sarasota, Fla."
""I did not sign away my right to get the best possible health care for
myself when I entered politics.""
Did you get that? "Best possible healthcare?"
heh heh..
Man, being me..
heh heh..
http://www.cbc.ca/canada/newfoundland-labrador/story/2010/02/23/nl-williams-heartcp-230210.html#ixzz1BQNDi28S
http://www.cbc.ca/health/story/2007/10/15/waittimes-fraser.html
-Eddie Haskell

Yet around a million and a half Americans travel elsewhere for medical
treatment. Why is that?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medical_tourism

[Phlip]

Post by Boo Hoo Boner - Human Filth

Post by Eddie Haskell

Post by Eddie Haskell
While we plunge headlong into it because democrats are incapable of
learning. All the children know is "I want it! Wah! I want it! Gimmie!
gimmie! Wah wah.."
"It's interesting that as Obama and the Dems push towards government control
in every area of America that they can justify (currently health care),
other countries are moving away from it. As an example Canada has had
socialized medicine for years, and it is the type of single-payer system we
would have under Obamunism. However, as reported by the AP, Canada is
considering moving back to private health care delivery. Why? Because the
system as it is is imploding:"
"SASKATOON - The incoming president of the Canadian Medical Association says
this country's health-care system is sick and doctors need to develop a plan
to cure it."
""We know that there must be change," she said. "We're all running flat out,
we're all just trying to stay ahead of the immediate day-to-day demands.""
"The pitch for change at the conference is to start with a presentation from
Dr. Robert Ouellet, the current president of the CMA, who has said there's a
critical need to make Canada's health-care system patient-centred. He will
present details from his fact-finding trip to Europe in January, where he
met with health groups in England, Denmark, Belgium, Netherlands and
France."
"His thoughts on the issue are already clear. Ouellet has been saying since
his return that "a health-care revolution has passed us by," that it's
possible to make wait lists disappear while maintaining universal coverage
and "that competition should be welcomed, not feared."
In other words, Ouellet believes there could be a role for private
health-care delivery within the public system."
http://www.deadfishwrapper.com/blog/canada-considering-moving-away-so...
The name of the site is very apropos because that's where that news
item exactly belongs, in a dead fish wrapper.  So dream on, Eddie, but
it ain't gonna happen, especially since there's no love for the
private system among Canadians

I just love it when a plan comes together.
""This was my heart, my choice and my health," Williams said late Monday
from his condominium in Sarasota, Fla."
""I did not sign away my right to get the best possible health care for
myself when I entered politics.""
Did you get that? "Best possible healthcare?"
heh heh..
Man, being me..
heh heh..
http://www.cbc.ca/canada/newfoundland-labrador/story/2010/02/23/nl-wi...
http://www.cbc.ca/health/story/2007/10/15/waittimes-fraser.html
-Eddie Haskell

Yet around a million and a half Americans travel elsewhere for medical
treatment. Why is that?

For the high-end stuff, we have the best doctors & gadgetry.

For the middle-level stuff, such as a simple hip replacement,
countries with healthy insurance systems don't gouge their insurers
just to make up for indigent visits to their ERs. So our HMOs decline
to subsidize our system by accidentally sending a patient to it, if
they can avoid it.

Put another way, people in other countries come here for treatment
(because their insurers pay them to), and we go elsewhere for
treatment.

What a system! you couldn't make this story up!

[Eddie Haskell]

Post by Boo Hoo Boner - Human Filth

Post by Eddie Haskell

Post by Eddie Haskell
While we plunge headlong into it because democrats are incapable of
learning. All the children know is "I want it! Wah! I want it! Gimmie!
gimmie! Wah wah.."
"It's interesting that as Obama and the Dems push towards government control
in every area of America that they can justify (currently health care),
other countries are moving away from it. As an example Canada has had
socialized medicine for years, and it is the type of single-payer system we
would have under Obamunism. However, as reported by the AP, Canada is
considering moving back to private health care delivery. Why? Because the
system as it is is imploding:"
"SASKATOON - The incoming president of the Canadian Medical Association says
this country's health-care system is sick and doctors need to develop a plan
to cure it."
""We know that there must be change," she said. "We're all running flat out,
we're all just trying to stay ahead of the immediate day-to-day demands.""
"The pitch for change at the conference is to start with a presentation from
Dr. Robert Ouellet, the current president of the CMA, who has said
there's
a
critical need to make Canada's health-care system patient-centred. He will
present details from his fact-finding trip to Europe in January, where he
met with health groups in England, Denmark, Belgium, Netherlands and
France."
"His thoughts on the issue are already clear. Ouellet has been saying since
his return that "a health-care revolution has passed us by," that it's
possible to make wait lists disappear while maintaining universal coverage
and "that competition should be welcomed, not feared."
In other words, Ouellet believes there could be a role for private
health-care delivery within the public system."
http://www.deadfishwrapper.com/blog/canada-considering-moving-away-so...
The name of the site is very apropos because that's where that news
item exactly belongs, in a dead fish wrapper. So dream on, Eddie, but
it ain't gonna happen, especially since there's no love for the
private system among Canadians

I just love it when a plan comes together.
""This was my heart, my choice and my health," Williams said late Monday
from his condominium in Sarasota, Fla."
""I did not sign away my right to get the best possible health care for
myself when I entered politics.""
Did you get that? "Best possible healthcare?"
heh heh..
Man, being me..
heh heh..
http://www.cbc.ca/canada/newfoundland-labrador/story/2010/02/23/nl-williams-heartcp-230210.html#ixzz1BQNDi28S
http://www.cbc.ca/health/story/2007/10/15/waittimes-fraser.html
-Eddie Haskell

Yet around a million and a half Americans travel elsewhere for medical
treatment. Why is that?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medical_tourism

Cite?

-Eddie Haskell

[Out of the China Blue]

Post by Boo Hoo Boner - Human Filth
Yet around a million and a half Americans travel elsewhere for medical
treatment. Why is that?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medical_tourism

Cite?

Damned, but you're stupid.

[Eddie Haskell]

Post by Out of the China Blue

Post by Boo Hoo Boner - Human Filth
Yet around a million and a half Americans travel elsewhere for medical
treatment. Why is that?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medical_tourism

Cite?

Damned, but you're stupid.

Too stupid to cite what he said as well, huh?

Thanks for the projection.

-Eddie Haskell

[Y***@Jurgis.net]

On Tue, 18 Jan 2011 13:33:50 -0600, "Eddie Haskell"

Post by Eddie Haskell
While we plunge headlong into it because democrats are incapable of
learning. All the children know is "I want it! Wah! I want it! Gimmie!
gimmie! Wah wah.."

As $30 BIllion is funneled to the wealthiest in America's top 3%

[Eddie Haskell]

Post by Y***@Jurgis.net
On Tue, 18 Jan 2011 13:33:50 -0600, "Eddie Haskell"

Post by Eddie Haskell
While we plunge headlong into it because democrats are incapable of
learning. All the children know is "I want it! Wah! I want it! Gimmie!
gimmie! Wah wah.."

As $30 BIllion is funneled to the wealthiest in America's top 3%

Fuck off, lying jungle ape.

-Eddie Haskell

[Phlip]

Post by Eddie Haskell
Fuck off, lying jungle ape.

Also, if we repeal ObamaCares, then the insurance companies instantly
get the right to impose both annual and lifetime caps. If you exceed
them, they turf you.

[Eddie Haskell]

Post by Phlip

Post by Eddie Haskell
Fuck off, lying jungle ape.

Also, if we repeal ObamaCares, then the insurance companies instantly
get the right to impose both annual and lifetime caps. If you exceed
them, they turf you.

Why don't we just pass a law to make everyday a sunny day, stupid? Hey, I
know, we could just mandate that Fannie and Freddie buy up risky loans and
that way everyone could own a house. Duuuhhh fuuuuckkk!!

"Under our proposals, if you like your doctor, you keep your doctor. If you
like your current insurance, you keep that insurance. Period, end of story."

-Hussein

"Insurers to Bail on Child-Only Policies as Health Care Law Looms"

"NEW YORK (CBS) Parents of kids with preexisting conditions will have fewer
options in several states as major insurers are bailing on the practice of
selling child-only policies. "

"The insurance companies' decision apparently comes in response to the
federal health care law passed earlier this year, which would have forced
them to insure children under age 19 regardless of their medical histories.
Sales of child-only policies for some companies will end the day the federal
law is enacted, according to a recent Los Angeles Times article."

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504744_162-20017272-10391703.html

"My proposal would bring down the cost of healthcare for millions -
families, businesses, and the federal government,"

-Hussein

"NEW YORK (CNNMoney) -- One of California's largest health insurers - Blue
Shield - announced plans to hike its premiums by as much as 59%.
The jacked up premium rates are set to take effect on March 1, pending
review from state insurance regulators. The move impacts 193,000 individual
Blue Shield policy holders. "

http://money.cnn.com/2011/01/07/news/companies/California_blue_shield_rate_hike/

WASHINGTON, Nov 30 (Reuters) - The U.S. Senate's healthcare bill would raise
insurance premiums by at least 10 percent by 2016 for those independently
buying coverage, but subsidies would reduce the actual costs for half of
that group, the Congressional Budget Office said on Monday.

http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSN3042820120091130

Hussein Press Conference - Sept, 10 2010:

QUESTION - the CMS study from February predicted a 6.1 percent increase, and
now, post-health care, 6.3 percent. So it [the cost curve] seems to have
bent it up.

THE PRESIDENT: No, as I said, Jake, the - I haven't read the entire study.
Maybe you have. But if you - if what - the reports are true, what they're
saying is, is that as a consequence of us getting 30 million additional
people health care, at the margins that's going to increase our costs, we
knew that. We didn't think that we were going to cover 30 million people for
free.

-Hussein

-Eddie Haskell

[Phlip]

Post by Eddie Haskell

Post by Phlip

Post by Eddie Haskell
Fuck off, lying jungle ape.

Also, if we repeal ObamaCares, then the insurance companies instantly
get the right to impose both annual and lifetime caps. If you exceed
them, they turf you.

Why don't we just pass a law to make everyday a sunny day, stupid?

While you are at it, how about passing a law saying "theft is illegal".

[Eddie Haskell]

Post by Eddie Haskell

Post by Phlip

Post by Eddie Haskell
Fuck off, lying jungle ape.

Also, if we repeal ObamaCares, then the insurance companies instantly
get the right to impose both annual and lifetime caps. If you exceed
them, they turf you.

Why don't we just pass a law to make everyday a sunny day, stupid?
While you are at it, how about passing a law saying "theft is illegal".

Precisely. Every democrats wet dream.

-Eddie Haskell

[Phlip]

Post by Eddie Haskell

Post by Phlip
While you are at it, how about passing a law saying "theft is illegal".

Precisely. Every democrats wet dream.

I said "illegal". You read something else.

[Eddie Haskell]

Post by Phlip

Post by Eddie Haskell

Post by Phlip
While you are at it, how about passing a law saying "theft is illegal".

Precisely. Every democrats wet dream.

I said "illegal". You read something else.

Damn the way you type!

-Eddie Haskell

[5897 Dead, 1040 since 1/20/09]

Post by Phlip

Post by Eddie Haskell
Fuck off, lying jungle ape.

Also, if we repeal ObamaCares, then the insurance companies instantly
get the right to impose both annual and lifetime caps. If you exceed
them, they turf you.

And we get the Schedule "D" doughnut hole back, and companies are free
to reimpose pre-existing conditions.

[Eddie Haskell]

Post by 5897 Dead, 1040 since 1/20/09

Post by Phlip

Post by Eddie Haskell
Fuck off, lying jungle ape.

Also, if we repeal ObamaCares, then the insurance companies instantly
get the right to impose both annual and lifetime caps. If you exceed
them, they turf you.

And we get the Schedule "D" doughnut hole back, and companies are free
to reimpose pre-existing conditions.

The pre-existing rule is unworkable and will put insurance companies out of
business, stupid.

I'd be no different than passing a law that you don't have to buy homeowners
insurance until your roof blows off.

But then, I'm wasting my time. You don't give a fuck.

-Eddie Haskell

[Phlip]

Post by 5897 Dead, 1040 since 1/20/09

Post by Phlip

Post by Eddie Haskell
Fuck off, lying jungle ape.

Also, if we repeal ObamaCares, then the insurance companies instantly
get the right to impose both annual and lifetime caps. If you exceed
them, they turf you.

And we get the Schedule "D" doughnut hole back, and companies are free
to reimpose pre-existing conditions.

Meanwhile, de-facto presidential candidate Mike Huckabee says anyone
with a preexisting condition and no insurance is like a mildly damaged
car. You should just throw it away and get a new one:

HUCKABEE: And a lot of this, it sounds so good, and it's such a warm
message to say we're not gonna deny anyone from a preexisting
condition. Look, I think that sounds terrific, but I want to ask you
something from a common sense perspective. Suppose we applied that
principle that you can just come along with whatever condition you
have and we're gonna cover you at the same cost we're covering
everybody else 'cause we wanna be fair. Okay, fine. Then let's do
that with our property insurance. And you can call your insurance
agent and say, "I'd like to buy some insurance for my house." He'd
say, "Tell me about your house." "Well sir, it burned down yesterday,
but I'd like to insure it today." And he'll say "I'm sorry, but we
can't insure it after it's already burned." Well, no preexisting
conditions.

How would you like to be able to call your insurance agent for your
car and say 'I want you to insure my car.' 'Well tell me about your
car.' 'Well it was a pretty nice vehicle until my sixteen year-old boy
wrecked it yesterday. [He] totaled the thing out but I'd like to get
it insurance so we can get it replaced.' Now how much would a policy
cost if it covered everything? About as much as it's gonna cost for
health care in this country.

[Larry Hewitt]

Post by 5897 Dead, 1040 since 1/20/09

Post by Phlip

Post by Eddie Haskell
Fuck off, lying jungle ape.

Also, if we repeal ObamaCares, then the insurance companies instantly
get the right to impose both annual and lifetime caps. If you exceed
them, they turf you.

And we get the Schedule "D" doughnut hole back, and companies are free
to reimpose pre-existing conditions.

And taxpayers spend an extra $280 billion fpr Medicare and Medicaid.

Larry

[Steve]

On Wed, 19 Jan 2011 14:30:40 -0800, "5897 Dead, 1040 since 1/20/09"

Post by 5897 Dead, 1040 since 1/20/09

Post by Phlip

Post by Eddie Haskell
Fuck off, lying jungle ape.

Also, if we repeal ObamaCares, then the insurance companies instantly
get the right to impose both annual and lifetime caps. If you exceed
them, they turf you.

And we get the Schedule "D" doughnut hole back, and companies are free
to reimpose pre-existing conditions.

As they should be free to do... Same thing applies to people that
wait to buy car insurance until after they crash the csr...

[Phlip]

Post by 5897 Dead, 1040 since 1/20/09
And we get the Schedule "D" doughnut hole back, and companies are free
to reimpose pre-existing conditions.

As they should be free to do...  Same thing applies to people that
wait to buy car insurance until after they crash the csr...

So, people are just hardware for you? They can be scrapped, and
replaced?

Oh, now we are back to "mandate for everyone to buy insurance if they
can"...

[Steve]

Post by Phlip

Post by 5897 Dead, 1040 since 1/20/09
And we get the Schedule "D" doughnut hole back, and companies are free
to reimpose pre-existing conditions.

As they should be free to do...  Same thing applies to people that
wait to buy car insurance until after they crash the csr...

So, people are just hardware for you? They can be scrapped, and
replaced?

No, but if you want health insurance you should buy it BEFORE you get
sick or injured. IOW, you join the risk pool instead of just being a
sleazy parasite.

Post by Phlip
Oh, now we are back to "mandate for everyone to buy insurance if they
can"...

You don't have a right to health care simply because other people have
a right not right to take care of you...

[David Fritzinger]

Post by Steve

Post by Phlip

Post by 5897 Dead, 1040 since 1/20/09
And we get the Schedule "D" doughnut hole back, and companies are free
to reimpose pre-existing conditions.

As they should be free to do...  Same thing applies to people that
wait to buy car insurance until after they crash the csr...

So, people are just hardware for you? They can be scrapped, and
replaced?

No, but if you want health insurance you should buy it BEFORE you get
sick or injured. IOW, you join the risk pool instead of just being a
sleazy parasite.

And what about those people who are dropped by their insurance companies
*because* they just came down with an expensive condition?

Post by Steve

Post by Phlip
Oh, now we are back to "mandate for everyone to buy insurance if they
can"...

You don't have a right to health care simply because other people have
a right not right to take care of you...

[Steve]

On Thu, 20 Jan 2011 14:35:51 -1000, David Fritzinger

Post by David Fritzinger

Post by Steve

Post by Phlip

Post by 5897 Dead, 1040 since 1/20/09
And we get the Schedule "D" doughnut hole back, and companies are free
to reimpose pre-existing conditions.

As they should be free to do...  Same thing applies to people that
wait to buy car insurance until after they crash the csr...

So, people are just hardware for you? They can be scrapped, and
replaced?

No, but if you want health insurance you should buy it BEFORE you get
sick or injured. IOW, you join the risk pool instead of just being a
sleazy parasite.

And what about those people who are dropped by their insurance companies
*because* they just came down with an expensive condition?

Sue them. you'll win. IOW, it doesn't happen. If you have insurance
when you get sick, they're liable for it.

Now try getting your news from something other then lefty bloggers and
MSNBC.

Post by David Fritzinger

Post by Steve

Post by Phlip
Oh, now we are back to "mandate for everyone to buy insurance if they
can"...

You don't have a right to health care simply because other people have
a right not right to take care of you...

[wy]

Post by Steve
On Thu, 20 Jan 2011 14:35:51 -1000, David Fritzinger

Post by David Fritzinger

Post by Steve

Post by Phlip

Post by 5897 Dead, 1040 since 1/20/09
And we get the Schedule "D" doughnut hole back, and companies are free
to reimpose pre-existing conditions.

As they should be free to do...  Same thing applies to people that
wait to buy car insurance until after they crash the csr...

So, people are just hardware for you? They can be scrapped, and
replaced?

No, but if you want health insurance you should buy it BEFORE you get
sick or injured.   IOW, you join the risk pool instead of just being a
sleazy parasite.

And what about those people who are dropped by their insurance companies
*because* they just came down with an expensive condition?

Sue them. you'll win.  IOW, it doesn't happen.  If you have insurance
when you get sick, they're liable for it.

Ya think, huh?

http://northeastcobb.patch.com/articles/insurance-refuses-claim-for-mother-with-brain-injury

Post by Steve
Now try getting your news from something other then lefty bloggers and
MSNBC.

Now try extracting your head from upside that deepest, dankest and
darkest tunnels of yours called a rectum and come up to the fresh air
scent of reality.

[Steve]

Post by wy

Post by Steve
On Thu, 20 Jan 2011 14:35:51 -1000, David Fritzinger

Post by David Fritzinger

Post by Steve

Post by Phlip

Post by 5897 Dead, 1040 since 1/20/09
And we get the Schedule "D" doughnut hole back, and companies are free
to reimpose pre-existing conditions.

As they should be free to do...  Same thing applies to people that
wait to buy car insurance until after they crash the csr...

So, people are just hardware for you? They can be scrapped, and
replaced?

No, but if you want health insurance you should buy it BEFORE you get
sick or injured.   IOW, you join the risk pool instead of just being a
sleazy parasite.

And what about those people who are dropped by their insurance companies
*because* they just came down with an expensive condition?

Sue them. you'll win.  IOW, it doesn't happen.  If you have insurance
when you get sick, they're liable for it.

Ya think, huh?
http://northeastcobb.patch.com/articles/insurance-refuses-claim-for-mother-with-brain-injury

That story, if true, is not about being dropped by the insurance
"because they just came down with an expensive condition."

and... it does not state what the insurance coverage was, nor the
grounds for denial...

and ... it does say "If Victoria improves, I'll have grounds to
challenge their denial and they may cover future claims," Moon said."

it appears that the denial may be on the grounds that her coma is not
recoverable..

Post by wy

Post by Steve
Now try getting your news from something other then lefty bloggers and
MSNBC.

Now try extracting your head from upside that deepest, dankest and
darkest tunnels of yours called a rectum and come up to the fresh air
scent of reality.

[Eddie Haskell]

Post by Steve
On Thu, 20 Jan 2011 14:35:51 -1000, David Fritzinger

Post by David Fritzinger

Post by Steve

Post by Phlip

Post by 5897 Dead, 1040 since 1/20/09
And we get the Schedule "D" doughnut hole back, and companies are free
to reimpose pre-existing conditions.

As they should be free to do... Same thing applies to people that
wait to buy car insurance until after they crash the csr...

So, people are just hardware for you? They can be scrapped, and
replaced?

No, but if you want health insurance you should buy it BEFORE you get
sick or injured. IOW, you join the risk pool instead of just being a
sleazy parasite.

And what about those people who are dropped by their insurance companies
*because* they just came down with an expensive condition?

Sue them. you'll win. IOW, it doesn't happen. If you have insurance
when you get sick, they're liable for it.
Ya think, huh?
http://northeastcobb.patch.com/articles/insurance-refuses-claim-for-mother-with-brain-injury
Now try getting your news from something other then lefty bloggers and
MSNBC.
Now try extracting your head from upside that deepest, dankest and
darkest tunnels of yours called a rectum and come up to the fresh air
scent of reality.

"Medicare's Refusal of Medical Claims Continues to Outpace Private Rate"

http://www.independent.org/blog/index.php?p=4459

You lose again.

-Eddie Haskell

[wy]

Post by Eddie Haskell

Post by Steve
On Thu, 20 Jan 2011 14:35:51 -1000, David Fritzinger

Post by David Fritzinger

Post by Steve

Post by Phlip

Post by 5897 Dead, 1040 since 1/20/09
And we get the Schedule "D" doughnut hole back, and companies are free
to reimpose pre-existing conditions.

As they should be free to do... Same thing applies to people that
wait to buy car insurance until after they crash the csr...

So, people are just hardware for you? They can be scrapped, and
replaced?

No, but if you want health insurance you should buy it BEFORE you get
sick or injured. IOW, you join the risk pool instead of just being a
sleazy parasite.

And what about those people who are dropped by their insurance companies
*because* they just came down with an expensive condition?

Sue them. you'll win. IOW, it doesn't happen. If you have insurance
when you get sick, they're liable for it.
Ya think, huh?
http://northeastcobb.patch.com/articles/insurance-refuses-claim-for-m...
Now try getting your news from something other then lefty bloggers and
MSNBC.
Now try extracting your head from upside that deepest, dankest and
darkest tunnels of yours called a rectum and come up to the fresh air
scent of reality.

"Medicare's Refusal of Medical Claims Continues to Outpace Private Rate"
http://www.independent.org/blog/index.php?p=4459
You lose again.

No, you lose. That's the case in the US, but not in Canada. If
you're going to do it right, do it like the Canadians do - cut the
middle man out.

[Eddie Haskell]

Post by Eddie Haskell

Post by Steve
On Thu, 20 Jan 2011 14:35:51 -1000, David Fritzinger

Post by David Fritzinger

Post by Steve

Post by Phlip

Post by 5897 Dead, 1040 since 1/20/09
And we get the Schedule "D" doughnut hole back, and companies are free
to reimpose pre-existing conditions.

As they should be free to do... Same thing applies to people that
wait to buy car insurance until after they crash the csr...

So, people are just hardware for you? They can be scrapped, and
replaced?

No, but if you want health insurance you should buy it BEFORE you get
sick or injured. IOW, you join the risk pool instead of just being a
sleazy parasite.

And what about those people who are dropped by their insurance companies
*because* they just came down with an expensive condition?

Sue them. you'll win. IOW, it doesn't happen. If you have insurance
when you get sick, they're liable for it.
Ya think, huh?
http://northeastcobb.patch.com/articles/insurance-refuses-claim-for-m...
Now try getting your news from something other then lefty bloggers and
MSNBC.
Now try extracting your head from upside that deepest, dankest and
darkest tunnels of yours called a rectum and come up to the fresh air
scent of reality.

"Medicare's Refusal of Medical Claims Continues to Outpace Private Rate"
http://www.independent.org/blog/index.php?p=4459
You lose again.
No, you lose. That's the case in the US, but not in Canada.

We are talking about government run healthcare vs private insurance in the
US, but go ahead, cite.

-Eddie Haskell

Post by Eddie Haskell
If
you're going to do it right, do it like the Canadians do - cut the
middle man out.

[wy]

Post by Eddie Haskell

Post by Eddie Haskell

Post by Steve
On Thu, 20 Jan 2011 14:35:51 -1000, David Fritzinger

Post by David Fritzinger

Post by Steve

Post by Phlip

Post by 5897 Dead, 1040 since 1/20/09
And we get the Schedule "D" doughnut hole back, and companies are
free
to reimpose pre-existing conditions.

As they should be free to do... Same thing applies to people that
wait to buy car insurance until after they crash the csr...

So, people are just hardware for you? They can be scrapped, and
replaced?

No, but if you want health insurance you should buy it BEFORE you get
sick or injured. IOW, you join the risk pool instead of just being a
sleazy parasite.

And what about those people who are dropped by their insurance companies
*because* they just came down with an expensive condition?

Sue them. you'll win. IOW, it doesn't happen. If you have insurance
when you get sick, they're liable for it.
Ya think, huh?
http://northeastcobb.patch.com/articles/insurance-refuses-claim-for-m...
Now try getting your news from something other then lefty bloggers and
MSNBC.
Now try extracting your head from upside that deepest, dankest and
darkest tunnels of yours called a rectum and come up to the fresh air
scent of reality.

"Medicare's Refusal of Medical Claims Continues to Outpace Private Rate"
http://www.independent.org/blog/index.php?p=4459
You lose again.
No, you lose.  That's the case in the US, but not in Canada.

We are talking about government run healthcare vs private insurance in the
US, but go ahead, cite.

I already did:

http://northeastcobb.patch.com/articles/insurance-refuses-claim-for-mother-with-brain-injury

Or do you suffer from a brain injury yourself for which you're not
covered?

[Eddie Haskell]

Post by Eddie Haskell

Post by Eddie Haskell

Post by Steve
On Thu, 20 Jan 2011 14:35:51 -1000, David Fritzinger

Post by David Fritzinger

On Wed, 19 Jan 2011 17:07:58 -0800 (PST), Phlip

Post by Phlip

Post by 5897 Dead, 1040 since 1/20/09
And we get the Schedule "D" doughnut hole back, and companies are
free
to reimpose pre-existing conditions.

As they should be free to do... Same thing applies to people that
wait to buy car insurance until after they crash the csr...

So, people are just hardware for you? They can be scrapped, and
replaced?

No, but if you want health insurance you should buy it BEFORE you get
sick or injured. IOW, you join the risk pool instead of just being a
sleazy parasite.

And what about those people who are dropped by their insurance companies
*because* they just came down with an expensive condition?

Sue them. you'll win. IOW, it doesn't happen. If you have insurance
when you get sick, they're liable for it.
Ya think, huh?
http://northeastcobb.patch.com/articles/insurance-refuses-claim-for-m...
Now try getting your news from something other then lefty bloggers and
MSNBC.
Now try extracting your head from upside that deepest, dankest and
darkest tunnels of yours called a rectum and come up to the fresh air
scent of reality.

"Medicare's Refusal of Medical Claims Continues to Outpace Private Rate"
http://www.independent.org/blog/index.php?p=4459
You lose again.
No, you lose. That's the case in the US, but not in Canada.

We are talking about government run healthcare vs private insurance in the
US, but go ahead, cite.
http://northeastcobb.patch.com/articles/insurance-refuses-claim-for-mother-with-brain-injury

That story is about the US. You claimed that in Canada Medicare doesn't deny
more claims than private insurance.

No cite.

You lose again.

Post by Eddie Haskell
Or do you suffer from a brain injury yourself for which you're not
covered?

Does the Canadian system cover beating ones head against the wall trying to
debate an inferior Canadian who resorts to obfuscation after losing the
argument?

Heh heh..

Man, give 'em enough rope..

Heh heh..

-Eddie Haskell

[5888 Dead, 1031 since 1/20/09]

Post by Eddie Haskell

Post by Steve
On Thu, 20 Jan 2011 14:35:51 -1000, David Fritzinger

Post by David Fritzinger

On Wed, 19 Jan 2011 17:07:58 -0800 (PST), Phlip

Post by Phlip

Post by 5897 Dead, 1040 since 1/20/09
And we get the Schedule "D" doughnut hole back, and companies are free
to reimpose pre-existing conditions.

As they should be free to do... Same thing applies to people that
wait to buy car insurance until after they crash the csr...

So, people are just hardware for you? They can be scrapped, and
replaced?

No, but if you want health insurance you should buy it BEFORE you
get sick or injured. IOW, you join the risk pool instead of just
being a sleazy parasite.

And what about those people who are dropped by their insurance
companies *because* they just came down with an expensive condition?

Sue them. you'll win. IOW, it doesn't happen. If you have insurance
when you get sick, they're liable for it.
Ya think, huh?
http://northeastcobb.patch.com/articles/insurance-refuses-claim-for-

mother-with-brain-injury

Post by Eddie Haskell

Post by Steve
Now try getting your news from something other then lefty bloggers and
MSNBC.
Now try extracting your head from upside that deepest, dankest and
darkest tunnels of yours called a rectum and come up to the fresh air
scent of reality.

"Medicare's Refusal of Medical Claims Continues to Outpace Private Rate"
http://www.independent.org/blog/index.php?p=4459
You lose again.
-Eddie Haskell

Eddie really IS like fake Bill; he can't open his mouth without speaking.

The refusal of claim in question is by the health care PROVIDERS, not
proposed treatments for patients, and the article notes that over 90% of
them are resolved within a month.
--
Information has never been so free. Even in authoritarian countries
information networks are helping people discover new facts and making
governments more accountable.- US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton,
January 21, 2010

[Eddie Haskell]

Post by wy

Post by Eddie Haskell

Post by Steve
On Thu, 20 Jan 2011 14:35:51 -1000, David Fritzinger

Post by David Fritzinger

On Wed, 19 Jan 2011 17:07:58 -0800 (PST), Phlip

Post by Phlip

Post by 5897 Dead, 1040 since 1/20/09
And we get the Schedule "D" doughnut hole back, and companies are free
to reimpose pre-existing conditions.

As they should be free to do... Same thing applies to people that
wait to buy car insurance until after they crash the csr...

So, people are just hardware for you? They can be scrapped, and
replaced?

No, but if you want health insurance you should buy it BEFORE you
get sick or injured. IOW, you join the risk pool instead of just
being a sleazy parasite.

And what about those people who are dropped by their insurance
companies *because* they just came down with an expensive condition?

Sue them. you'll win. IOW, it doesn't happen. If you have insurance
when you get sick, they're liable for it.
Ya think, huh?
http://northeastcobb.patch.com/articles/insurance-refuses-claim-for-

mother-with-brain-injury

Post by Eddie Haskell

Post by Steve
Now try getting your news from something other then lefty bloggers and
MSNBC.
Now try extracting your head from upside that deepest, dankest and
darkest tunnels of yours called a rectum and come up to the fresh air
scent of reality.

"Medicare's Refusal of Medical Claims Continues to Outpace Private Rate"
http://www.independent.org/blog/index.php?p=4459
You lose again.
-Eddie Haskell

Eddie really IS like fake Bill; he can't open his mouth without speaking.
The refusal of claim in question is by the health care PROVIDERS, not
proposed treatments for patients

Keep posting. I'll let you know when you make any sense.

-Eddie Haskell

[5888 Dead, 1031 since 1/20/09]

Post by Eddie Haskell

Post by wy

news:e662471d-1528-4ac2-999f-

Post by Steve
On Thu, 20 Jan 2011 14:35:51 -1000, David Fritzinger

Post by David Fritzinger

On Wed, 19 Jan 2011 17:07:58 -0800 (PST), Phlip

Post by Phlip

Post by 5897 Dead, 1040 since 1/20/09
And we get the Schedule "D" doughnut hole back, and companies are free
to reimpose pre-existing conditions.

As they should be free to do... Same thing applies to people
that wait to buy car insurance until after they crash the
csr...

So, people are just hardware for you? They can be scrapped, and
replaced?

No, but if you want health insurance you should buy it BEFORE you
get sick or injured. IOW, you join the risk pool instead of just
being a sleazy parasite.

And what about those people who are dropped by their insurance
companies *because* they just came down with an expensive condition?

Sue them. you'll win. IOW, it doesn't happen. If you have insurance
when you get sick, they're liable for it.
Ya think, huh?
http://northeastcobb.patch.com/articles/insurance-refuses-claim-for-

mother-with-brain-injury

Post by Steve
Now try getting your news from something other then lefty bloggers
and MSNBC.
Now try extracting your head from upside that deepest, dankest and
darkest tunnels of yours called a rectum and come up to the fresh air
scent of reality.

"Medicare's Refusal of Medical Claims Continues to Outpace Private Rate"
http://www.independent.org/blog/index.php?p=4459
You lose again.
-Eddie Haskell

Eddie really IS like fake Bill; he can't open his mouth without speaking.
The refusal of claim in question is by the health care PROVIDERS, not
proposed treatments for patients

Keep posting. I'll let you know when you make any sense.
-Eddie Haskell

I just called you on a lie, Eddie.
--
Information has never been so free. Even in authoritarian countries
information networks are helping people discover new facts and making
governments more accountable.- US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton,
January 21, 2010

[Eddie Haskell]

Post by 5888 Dead, 1031 since 1/20/09

Post by Eddie Haskell

Post by wy

news:e662471d-1528-4ac2-999f-

Post by Steve
On Thu, 20 Jan 2011 14:35:51 -1000, David Fritzinger

Post by David Fritzinger

On Wed, 19 Jan 2011 17:07:58 -0800 (PST), Phlip

Post by Phlip

Post by 5897 Dead, 1040 since 1/20/09
And we get the Schedule "D" doughnut hole back, and companies
are free
to reimpose pre-existing conditions.

As they should be free to do... Same thing applies to people
that wait to buy car insurance until after they crash the
csr...

So, people are just hardware for you? They can be scrapped, and
replaced?

No, but if you want health insurance you should buy it BEFORE you
get sick or injured. IOW, you join the risk pool instead of just
being a sleazy parasite.

And what about those people who are dropped by their insurance
companies *because* they just came down with an expensive condition?

Sue them. you'll win. IOW, it doesn't happen. If you have insurance
when you get sick, they're liable for it.
Ya think, huh?
http://northeastcobb.patch.com/articles/insurance-refuses-claim-for-

mother-with-brain-injury

Post by Steve
Now try getting your news from something other then lefty bloggers
and MSNBC.
Now try extracting your head from upside that deepest, dankest and
darkest tunnels of yours called a rectum and come up to the fresh air
scent of reality.

"Medicare's Refusal of Medical Claims Continues to Outpace Private Rate"
http://www.independent.org/blog/index.php?p=4459
You lose again.
-Eddie Haskell

Eddie really IS like fake Bill; he can't open his mouth without speaking.
The refusal of claim in question is by the health care PROVIDERS, not
proposed treatments for patients

Keep posting. I'll let you know when you make any sense.
-Eddie Haskell

I just called you on a lie, Eddie.

How so, by lying and claiming that there's a difference between denying a
claim by a provider and denying a claim for treatment by the provider?

I wish I could see that desperate look on your face right now.

-Eddie Haskell

[Eddie Haskell]

Post by Steve
On Thu, 20 Jan 2011 14:35:51 -1000, David Fritzinger

Post by David Fritzinger

Post by Steve

Post by Phlip

Post by 5897 Dead, 1040 since 1/20/09
And we get the Schedule "D" doughnut hole back, and companies are free
to reimpose pre-existing conditions.

As they should be free to do... Same thing applies to people that
wait to buy car insurance until after they crash the csr...

So, people are just hardware for you? They can be scrapped, and
replaced?

No, but if you want health insurance you should buy it BEFORE you get
sick or injured. IOW, you join the risk pool instead of just being a
sleazy parasite.

And what about those people who are dropped by their insurance companies
*because* they just came down with an expensive condition?

Sue them. you'll win. IOW, it doesn't happen. If you have insurance
when you get sick, they're liable for it.
Now try getting your news from something other then lefty bloggers and
MSNBC.

Bingo.

-Eddie Haskell

Post by Steve

Post by David Fritzinger

Post by Steve

Post by Phlip
Oh, now we are back to "mandate for everyone to buy insurance if they
can"...

You don't have a right to health care simply because other people have
a right not right to take care of you...

[5888 Dead, 1031 since 1/20/09]

Post by Eddie Haskell

Post by Steve
On Thu, 20 Jan 2011 14:35:51 -1000, David Fritzinger

Post by David Fritzinger

Post by Steve

Post by Phlip

Post by 5897 Dead, 1040 since 1/20/09
And we get the Schedule "D" doughnut hole back, and companies are free
to reimpose pre-existing conditions.

As they should be free to do... Same thing applies to people that
wait to buy car insurance until after they crash the csr...

So, people are just hardware for you? They can be scrapped, and
replaced?

No, but if you want health insurance you should buy it BEFORE you get
sick or injured. IOW, you join the risk pool instead of just being
a sleazy parasite.

And what about those people who are dropped by their insurance
companies *because* they just came down with an expensive condition?

Sue them. you'll win. IOW, it doesn't happen. If you have insurance
when you get sick, they're liable for it.
Now try getting your news from something other then lefty bloggers and
MSNBC.

Bingo.
-Eddie Haskell

I take it neither of you ignorant, posturing morons know that health
insurance companies make you sign a waiver not to sue. You may submit a
claim to arbitration, the board of which is selected by the insurance
company, and the results of which, in 49 states, are bound by a
confidentiality agreement.

Post by Eddie Haskell

Post by Steve

Post by David Fritzinger

Post by Steve

Post by Phlip
Oh, now we are back to "mandate for everyone to buy insurance if
they can"...

You don't have a right to health care simply because other people
have a right not right to take care of you...

--
Information has never been so free. Even in authoritarian countries
information networks are helping people discover new facts and making
governments more accountable.- US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton,
January 21, 2010

[Eddie Haskell]

Post by 5888 Dead, 1031 since 1/20/09

Post by Eddie Haskell

Post by Steve
On Thu, 20 Jan 2011 14:35:51 -1000, David Fritzinger

Post by David Fritzinger

Post by Steve

Post by Phlip

Post by 5897 Dead, 1040 since 1/20/09
And we get the Schedule "D" doughnut hole back, and companies are free
to reimpose pre-existing conditions.

As they should be free to do... Same thing applies to people that
wait to buy car insurance until after they crash the csr...

So, people are just hardware for you? They can be scrapped, and
replaced?

No, but if you want health insurance you should buy it BEFORE you get
sick or injured. IOW, you join the risk pool instead of just being
a sleazy parasite.

And what about those people who are dropped by their insurance
companies *because* they just came down with an expensive condition?

Sue them. you'll win. IOW, it doesn't happen. If you have insurance
when you get sick, they're liable for it.
Now try getting your news from something other then lefty bloggers and
MSNBC.

Bingo.
-Eddie Haskell

I take it neither of you ignorant, posturing morons know that health
insurance companies make you sign a waiver not to sue.

Depends on what state you are in, dolt.

-Eddie Haskell

[5888 Dead, 1031 since 1/20/09]

Post by Eddie Haskell

Post by 5888 Dead, 1031 since 1/20/09

Post by Eddie Haskell

Post by Steve
On Thu, 20 Jan 2011 14:35:51 -1000, David Fritzinger

Post by David Fritzinger

On Wed, 19 Jan 2011 17:07:58 -0800 (PST), Phlip

Post by Phlip

Post by 5897 Dead, 1040 since 1/20/09
And we get the Schedule "D" doughnut hole back, and companies are free
to reimpose pre-existing conditions.

As they should be free to do... Same thing applies to people
that wait to buy car insurance until after they crash the csr...

So, people are just hardware for you? They can be scrapped, and
replaced?

No, but if you want health insurance you should buy it BEFORE you
get sick or injured. IOW, you join the risk pool instead of just
being a sleazy parasite.

And what about those people who are dropped by their insurance
companies *because* they just came down with an expensive condition?

Sue them. you'll win. IOW, it doesn't happen. If you have insurance
when you get sick, they're liable for it.
Now try getting your news from something other then lefty bloggers
and MSNBC.

Bingo.
-Eddie Haskell

I take it neither of you ignorant, posturing morons know that health
insurance companies make you sign a waiver not to sue.

Depends on what state you are in, dolt.

Well, you've got 50 to choose from.

California is the ONLY state where so much as the OUTCOMES of the
arbitrations are known.

Post by Eddie Haskell
-Eddie Haskell

--
Information has never been so free. Even in authoritarian countries
information networks are helping people discover new facts and making
governments more accountable.- US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton,
January 21, 2010

[Eddie Haskell]

Post by 5888 Dead, 1031 since 1/20/09

Post by Eddie Haskell

Post by 5888 Dead, 1031 since 1/20/09

Post by Eddie Haskell

Post by Steve
On Thu, 20 Jan 2011 14:35:51 -1000, David Fritzinger

Post by David Fritzinger

On Wed, 19 Jan 2011 17:07:58 -0800 (PST), Phlip

Post by Phlip

Post by 5897 Dead, 1040 since 1/20/09
And we get the Schedule "D" doughnut hole back, and companies are free
to reimpose pre-existing conditions.

As they should be free to do... Same thing applies to people
that wait to buy car insurance until after they crash the csr...

So, people are just hardware for you? They can be scrapped, and
replaced?

No, but if you want health insurance you should buy it BEFORE you
get sick or injured. IOW, you join the risk pool instead of just
being a sleazy parasite.

And what about those people who are dropped by their insurance
companies *because* they just came down with an expensive condition?

Sue them. you'll win. IOW, it doesn't happen. If you have insurance
when you get sick, they're liable for it.
Now try getting your news from something other then lefty bloggers
and MSNBC.

Bingo.
-Eddie Haskell

I take it neither of you ignorant, posturing morons know that health
insurance companies make you sign a waiver not to sue.

Depends on what state you are in, dolt.

Well, you've got 50 to choose from.

Uh huh.. and..?

Post by 5888 Dead, 1031 since 1/20/09
California is the ONLY state where so much as the OUTCOMES of the
arbitrations are known.

Uh huh.. and..?

-Eddie Haskell

[Eddie Haskell]

Post by David Fritzinger

Post by Steve

Post by Phlip

Post by 5897 Dead, 1040 since 1/20/09
And we get the Schedule "D" doughnut hole back, and companies are free
to reimpose pre-existing conditions.

As they should be free to do... Same thing applies to people that
wait to buy car insurance until after they crash the csr...

So, people are just hardware for you? They can be scrapped, and
replaced?

No, but if you want health insurance you should buy it BEFORE you get
sick or injured. IOW, you join the risk pool instead of just being a
sleazy parasite.

And what about those people who are dropped by their insurance companies
*because* they just came down with an expensive condition?

They have legal recourse through the courts so it almost never happens. Not
so with Medicare, (you know, government run healthcare?) who denies more
claims than any private insurance company.

It's a real shame you people walk around with you head up your asses
parroting your DNC talking points like morons. Just like the MSM / DNC cabal
likes it. Public ignorance serves the liberal cause. That's why they are so
scared of Fox News and talk radio.

"Medicare’s Refusal of Medical Claims Continues to Outpace Private Rate"

http://www.independent.org/blog/index.php?p=4459

-Eddie Haskell

[5888 Dead, 1031 since 1/20/09]

Post by Eddie Haskell

Post by David Fritzinger

Post by Steve

Post by Phlip

Post by 5897 Dead, 1040 since 1/20/09
And we get the Schedule "D" doughnut hole back, and companies are free
to reimpose pre-existing conditions.

As they should be free to do... Same thing applies to people that
wait to buy car insurance until after they crash the csr...

So, people are just hardware for you? They can be scrapped, and
replaced?

No, but if you want health insurance you should buy it BEFORE you get
sick or injured. IOW, you join the risk pool instead of just being a
sleazy parasite.

And what about those people who are dropped by their insurance
companies *because* they just came down with an expensive condition?

Are you really that stupid, or just a liar?

Post by Eddie Haskell
They have legal recourse through the courts so it almost never happens.
Not so with Medicare, (you know, government run healthcare?) who denies
more claims than any private insurance company.
It's a real shame you people walk around with you head up your asses
parroting your DNC talking points like morons. Just like the MSM / DNC
cabal likes it. Public ignorance serves the liberal cause. That's why
they are so scared of Fox News and talk radio.
"Medicare’s Refusal of Medical Claims Continues to Outpace Private Rate"
http://www.independent.org/blog/index.php?p=4459
-Eddie Haskell

--
Information has never been so free. Even in authoritarian countries
information networks are helping people discover new facts and making
governments more accountable.- US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton,
January 21, 2010

[Eddie Haskell]

Post by 5888 Dead, 1031 since 1/20/09

Post by Eddie Haskell

Post by David Fritzinger

Post by Steve

Post by Phlip

Post by 5897 Dead, 1040 since 1/20/09
And we get the Schedule "D" doughnut hole back, and companies are free
to reimpose pre-existing conditions.

As they should be free to do... Same thing applies to people that
wait to buy car insurance until after they crash the csr...

So, people are just hardware for you? They can be scrapped, and
replaced?

No, but if you want health insurance you should buy it BEFORE you get
sick or injured. IOW, you join the risk pool instead of just being a
sleazy parasite.

And what about those people who are dropped by their insurance
companies *because* they just came down with an expensive condition?

Are you really that stupid, or just a liar?

Here that, Fritzinger? Brain-dead here wants to know if you are stupid or a
liar.

Hahahahahaha!!

http://www.ehow.com/how_5002981_sue-health-insurance-company.html

-Eddie Haskell

Post by 5888 Dead, 1031 since 1/20/09

Post by Eddie Haskell
They have legal recourse through the courts so it almost never happens.
Not so with Medicare, (you know, government run healthcare?) who denies
more claims than any private insurance company.
It's a real shame you people walk around with you head up your asses
parroting your DNC talking points like morons. Just like the MSM / DNC
cabal likes it. Public ignorance serves the liberal cause. That's why
they are so scared of Fox News and talk radio.
"Medicare’s Refusal of Medical Claims Continues to Outpace Private

Rate"

Post by Eddie Haskell
http://www.independent.org/blog/index.php?p=4459
-Eddie Haskell

--
Information has never been so free. Even in authoritarian countries
information networks are helping people discover new facts and making
governments more accountable.- US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton,
January 21, 2010
--
Information has never been so free. Even in authoritarian countries
information networks are helping people discover new facts and making
governments more accountable.- US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton,
January 21, 2010

[Lamont Cranston]

Post by Eddie Haskell
While we plunge headlong into it

More lies from Iddie Felcher.

[Dänk 666]

Post by Eddie Haskell
"His thoughts on the issue are already clear. Ouellet has been saying since
his return that "a health-care revolution has passed us by," that it's
possible to make wait lists disappear while maintaining universal coverage
and "that competition should be welcomed, not feared."
In other words, Ouellet believes there could be a role for private
health-care delivery within the public system."

What this means is that Canada is considering allowing the wealthy to
purchase superior private medical care for themselves, while proles
continue to be treated under an inferior public system.

The difference between this and Obamacare is that Obamacare was
promoted as giving proles the SAME medical coverage that members of
Congress (and the President) receive. Once public support for the
bill was high enough, this particular provision was stripped out.

Now I'm not against private health care, but it cannot exist in a
system where the government pays for it. True private medicine means
price competition between doctors and hospitals, which does not occur
when the government guarantees payment. The Ryan White Act, which
guarantees payment for HIV/AIDS medications, caused the price of those
medications to skyrocket. The same thing happened with Medicare Part
D, causing the price of drugs to treat age-related conditions to
spiral out of control.

A somewhat ideal solution is to provide universal CATASTROPHIC
coverage for everyone. Create a sliding-scale deductible of up to
$100K, with everything below paid out of one's own pocket. Most
Americans would never reach the deductible, allowing market forces to
work, forcing doctors to compete to offer the lowest price for their
services. Doctors would no longer recommend unnecessary tests, out of
fear of losing their customers, and patients would no longer insist on
seeing a doctor every time they sneezed.

Tax-free health savings accounts would be used to cover the
deductible, encouraging citizens to save for their medical care, as
well as encouraging them to stay as healthy as possible to avoid
eating into those savings. The free market would provide an incentive
to stay healthy, as opposed to the Obamacare approach which treats
people like animals by using a cattle prod to "encourage" them to
exercise, and rewarding them with a ration of Soylent Green for
cooperating.

[5888 Dead, 1031 since 1/20/09]

Post by Dänk 666

Post by Eddie Haskell
"His thoughts on the issue are already clear. Ouellet has been saying
since his return that "a health-care revolution has passed us by," that
it's possible to make wait lists disappear while maintaining universal
coverage and "that competition should be welcomed, not feared." In
other words, Ouellet believes there could be a role for private
health-care delivery within the public system."

What this means is that Canada is considering allowing the wealthy to
purchase superior private medical care for themselves, while proles
continue to be treated under an inferior public system.

Is it possible for you to even open your mouth without lying? Except in
the instances of experimental procedures and the handful that are not
covered in the US or Canada, Canadian insurance pays for Canadians to get
treatment in the United States.

Post by Dänk 666
The difference between this and Obamacare is that Obamacare was promoted
as giving proles the SAME medical coverage that members of Congress (and
the President) receive. Once public support for the bill was high
enough, this particular provision was stripped out.
Now I'm not against private health care, but it cannot exist in a system
where the government pays for it. True private medicine means price
competition between doctors and hospitals, which does not occur when the
government guarantees payment. The Ryan White Act, which guarantees
payment for HIV/AIDS medications, caused the price of those medications
to skyrocket. The same thing happened with Medicare Part D, causing the
price of drugs to treat age-related conditions to spiral out of control.
A somewhat ideal solution is to provide universal CATASTROPHIC coverage
for everyone. Create a sliding-scale deductible of up to $100K, with
everything below paid out of one's own pocket. Most Americans would
never reach the deductible, allowing market forces to work, forcing
doctors to compete to offer the lowest price for their services.
Doctors would no longer recommend unnecessary tests, out of fear of
losing their customers, and patients would no longer insist on seeing a
doctor every time they sneezed.
Tax-free health savings accounts would be used to cover the deductible,
encouraging citizens to save for their medical care, as well as
encouraging them to stay as healthy as possible to avoid eating into
those savings. The free market would provide an incentive to stay
healthy, as opposed to the Obamacare approach which treats people like
animals by using a cattle prod to "encourage" them to exercise, and
rewarding them with a ration of Soylent Green for cooperating.

--
Information has never been so free. Even in authoritarian countries
information networks are helping people discover new facts and making
governments more accountable.- US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton,
January 21, 2010

[Eddie Haskell]

Post by 5888 Dead, 1031 since 1/20/09

Post by Dänk 666

Post by Eddie Haskell
"His thoughts on the issue are already clear. Ouellet has been saying
since his return that "a health-care revolution has passed us by," that
it's possible to make wait lists disappear while maintaining universal
coverage and "that competition should be welcomed, not feared." In
other words, Ouellet believes there could be a role for private
health-care delivery within the public system."

What this means is that Canada is considering allowing the wealthy to
purchase superior private medical care for themselves, while proles
continue to be treated under an inferior public system.

Is it possible for you to even open your mouth without lying?

Looking in the mirror again?

Post by 5888 Dead, 1031 since 1/20/09
Except in
the instances of experimental procedures and the handful that are not
covered in the US or Canada, Canadian insurance pays for Canadians to get
treatment in the United States.

Damn good thing.

""This was my heart, my choice and my health," Williams said late Monday
from his condominium in Sarasota, Fla."

""I did not sign away my right to get the best possible health care for
myself when I entered politics.""

Did you get that? "Best possible healthcare?"

http://www.cbc.ca/canada/newfoundland-labrador/story/2010/02/23/nl-williams-heartcp-230210.html#ixzz1BQNDi28S

-Eddie Haskell

[5888 Dead, 1031 since 1/20/09]

Post by Eddie Haskell

Post by 5888 Dead, 1031 since 1/20/09

Post by Dänk 666

Post by Eddie Haskell
"His thoughts on the issue are already clear. Ouellet has been saying
since his return that "a health-care revolution has passed us by,"
that it's possible to make wait lists disappear while maintaining
universal coverage and "that competition should be welcomed, not
feared." In other words, Ouellet believes there could be a role for
private health-care delivery within the public system."

What this means is that Canada is considering allowing the wealthy to
purchase superior private medical care for themselves, while proles
continue to be treated under an inferior public system.

Is it possible for you to even open your mouth without lying?

Looking in the mirror again?

Admitting that you and Dank are the same person?

Post by Eddie Haskell

Post by 5888 Dead, 1031 since 1/20/09
Except in
the instances of experimental procedures and the handful that are not
covered in the US or Canada, Canadian insurance pays for Canadians to
get treatment in the United States.

Damn good thing.

Yes, it is.

Post by Eddie Haskell
""This was my heart, my choice and my health," Williams said late Monday
from his condominium in Sarasota, Fla."
""I did not sign away my right to get the best possible health care for
myself when I entered politics.""
Did you get that? "Best possible healthcare?"

I did. A very specialized specific item that he probably didn't need.
Oddly enough, I have a friend who is filing suit because his insurance
company insisted he have the same procedure the New'flund gov't offered
rather than the one he got--here in America.

Post by Eddie Haskell
http://www.cbc.ca/canada/newfoundland-labrador/story/2010/02/23/nl-

williams-heartcp-230210.html#ixzz1BQNDi28S

Post by Eddie Haskell
-Eddie Haskell

--
Information has never been so free. Even in authoritarian countries
information networks are helping people discover new facts and making
governments more accountable.- US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton,
January 21, 2010

[Eddie Haskell]

Post by 5888 Dead, 1031 since 1/20/09

Post by Eddie Haskell

Post by 5888 Dead, 1031 since 1/20/09

Post by Dänk 666

Post by Eddie Haskell
"His thoughts on the issue are already clear. Ouellet has been saying
since his return that "a health-care revolution has passed us by,"
that it's possible to make wait lists disappear while maintaining
universal coverage and "that competition should be welcomed, not
feared." In other words, Ouellet believes there could be a role for
private health-care delivery within the public system."

What this means is that Canada is considering allowing the wealthy to
purchase superior private medical care for themselves, while proles
continue to be treated under an inferior public system.

Is it possible for you to even open your mouth without lying?

Looking in the mirror again?

Admitting that you and Dank are the same person?

Nope, I'm admitting that you were looking at yourself in the mirror when you
said, "Is it possible for you to even open your mouth without lying?"

Post by 5888 Dead, 1031 since 1/20/09

Post by Eddie Haskell

Post by 5888 Dead, 1031 since 1/20/09
Except in
the instances of experimental procedures and the handful that are not
covered in the US or Canada, Canadian insurance pays for Canadians to
get treatment in the United States.

Damn good thing.

Yes, it is.

Yep, just ask Danny williams.

Post by 5888 Dead, 1031 since 1/20/09

Post by Eddie Haskell
""This was my heart, my choice and my health," Williams said late Monday
from his condominium in Sarasota, Fla."
""I did not sign away my right to get the best possible health care for
myself when I entered politics.""
Did you get that? "Best possible healthcare?"

I did. A very specialized specific item that he probably didn't need.

Riight.. Riight.. The Danny Williams example doesn't count because well..,
he probably didn't need the procedure anyway.

Bah hahahahaha!!

Man, I'lll tell you what I told, wy, bail now befroe you dig yourself any
deeper.

Bahahahahaha!!!

Post by 5888 Dead, 1031 since 1/20/09
Oddly enough, I have a friend who is filing suit because his insurance
company insisted he have the same procedure the New'flund gov't offered
rather than the one he got--here in America.

Keep posting. I'll let you know when you make any sense.

-Eddie Haskell

[Eddie Haskell]

Post by Eddie Haskell
"His thoughts on the issue are already clear. Ouellet has been saying since
his return that "a health-care revolution has passed us by," that it's
possible to make wait lists disappear while maintaining universal coverage
and "that competition should be welcomed, not feared."
In other words, Ouellet believes there could be a role for private
health-care delivery within the public system."
A somewhat ideal solution is to provide universal CATASTROPHIC
coverage for everyone. Create a sliding-scale deductible of up to
$100K, with everything below paid out of one's own pocket. Most
Americans would never reach the deductible, allowing market forces to
work, forcing doctors to compete to offer the lowest price for their
services.

Bingo.

But democrats would never support it. It gives too much control to the
individual.

-Eddie Haskell

[5888 Dead, 1031 since 1/20/09]

news:59eb99e0-078c-4b48-a2ac-

Post by Eddie Haskell
"His thoughts on the issue are already clear. Ouellet has been saying since
his return that "a health-care revolution has passed us by," that it's
possible to make wait lists disappear while maintaining universal
coverage and "that competition should be welcomed, not feared." In
other words, Ouellet believes there could be a role for private
health-care delivery within the public system."
A somewhat ideal solution is to provide universal CATASTROPHIC coverage
for everyone. Create a sliding-scale deductible of up to $100K, with
everything below paid out of one's own pocket. Most Americans would
never reach the deductible, allowing market forces to work, forcing
doctors to compete to offer the lowest price for their services.

Bingo.
But democrats would never support it. It gives too much control to the
individual.
-Eddie Haskell

That might just be the most idiotic idea for health care reform that I've
ever heard.

[Phlip]

Post by Dänk 666
A somewhat ideal solution is to provide universal CATASTROPHIC coverage
for everyone.

Prevention is overrated. A chance to cut is a chance to cure!!

[Eddie Haskell]

Post by Phlip

Post by Dänk 666
A somewhat ideal solution is to provide universal CATASTROPHIC coverage
for everyone.

Prevention is overrated. A chance to cut is a chance to cure!!

If I'm gonna have to pay for your bypass I'm gonna come over there and slap
that sausage link out of your mouth.

-Eddie Haskell

[Eddie Haskell]

Post by 5888 Dead, 1031 since 1/20/09

news:59eb99e0-078c-4b48-a2ac-

Post by Eddie Haskell
"His thoughts on the issue are already clear. Ouellet has been saying since
his return that "a health-care revolution has passed us by," that it's
possible to make wait lists disappear while maintaining universal
coverage and "that competition should be welcomed, not feared." In
other words, Ouellet believes there could be a role for private
health-care delivery within the public system."
A somewhat ideal solution is to provide universal CATASTROPHIC coverage
for everyone. Create a sliding-scale deductible of up to $100K, with
everything below paid out of one's own pocket. Most Americans would
never reach the deductible, allowing market forces to work, forcing
doctors to compete to offer the lowest price for their services.

Bingo.
But democrats would never support it. It gives too much control to the
individual.
-Eddie Haskell

That might just be the most idiotic idea for health care reform that I've
ever heard.

That's because you are too stupid to understand it. It's coverage of
penny-anti shit that is driving the cost of healthcare through the roof. If
paid out of pocket people would shop and doctors would have to be
competitive. Procedures that are not covered by insurance like lasik surgery
keep getting better and cheaper.

Economics 101. Way over your head.

-Eddie Haskell