Post by Norman M. SchwartzPost by b***@phillynews.comPost by Norman M. SchwartzI have the Bernstein COTH (timing 9:53), amongst others (Silverstein,
ProArte and Skrowaczewski, Vox).
Could you please provide the timing in Bernstein's recording where this
bassoon, trumpet, string balance appears so that I might pick it out? So far
I haven't been able to discern it.
I don't have it handy. If nobody else provides the information by
tonight, I'll take care of it when I get home. But it's relatively
early in the piece (perhaps three minutes or so in), during the
march-like passage.
Many thanks. It helped to look for it in the first three minutes rather
than the last 3 minutes. In LB's performance I believe I'm hearing it at
2:38, but it's rather subdued. In the Vox Skrowaczewski it's very
prominent (2:47) and sounds more extended than Bernstein's. Are there
differing scores of this piece in circulation?
No, but if the balance favors either the trumpets or the bassoons, I can see
why you might react that way. When I studied orchestration we were told that
the bassoon in its mid-range was easily covered by other instruments, and
that seems to be what's happening here -- unless the conductor holds back
the trumpets and timpani. However, during Beethoven's time it was not
unusual for wind parts to be doubled especially when needed to reinforce
tuttis, and string sections were smaller than in our time. (See Thomas
Forest Kelly's "First Nights" for some useful information on the concert of
May 7, 1824, when the 9th symphony was first performed, preceded by the
Consecration overture and three movements from the Missa Solemnis.) These
doublings could therefore help explain the balance problem for the bassoons
in the Overture, as well as a passage like the 2nd theme in the scherzo of
the 9th, which is written solely for the four pairs of woodwinds against
accompanying horns and strings, but is sometimes today reinforced with horns
carrying the melody part to help improve the balance.
There is an even more puzzling use of the bassoons midway in the Credo of
the Missa, at a point following the Et resurrexit but preceding the Et vitam
venturi fugue, where the chorus is repeating Credo, Credo! and the bassoons
have an independent contrapuntal line all to themselves for about 12
measures. Without going through my several recordings I can't remember how
the conductors treat this part, but I distinctly remember that Toscanini
doubles the bassoons with horns here, as they could easily be swallowed up
otherwise.