Post by Anthony MarshPost by BudPost by Anthony MarshPost by John McAdamsOn 26 Sep 2018 22:20:15 -0400, Anthony Marsh
Post by Anthony MarshPost by Marcus Hanson.... Or that men and women are absolutely identical in their innate
Post by John McAdamsdispositions, such that, if they are found in different professions
(on average) , it can only be the result of discrimination, or sexist
socialization.
Postmodernism is going great guns in the humanities. Not so much in
science.
.John
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Can Math be racist? Not really. But racists can misuse math to make
racist memes. They could say that only 1 in 100 whites commit crimes,
but 60 out of 100 blacks are criminals.
Ironically, it's leftists who are always quoting statistics about the
number of black men in prison.
That's different. More whites are let go and more blacks are prosecuted
unfairly.
Liberals love their false narratives. Tony can`t produce evidence that
white people are sentenced differently than blacks when relevant factors
like prior convictions, outstanding warrants, whether the person had a
lawyer rather than a public defender, ext are taken into account. Liberals
only want to look at race and results, and ignore context.
Of course I can, but McAdams would censor it. I know where you got your
The FBI. Here are some more...
https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2016/crime-in-the-u.s.-2016/tables/expanded-homicide-data-table-3.xls
Post by Anthony MarshFactCheck
Do black Americans commit more crime?
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By Patrick Worrall
27 Nov 2014
The claim
???It???s important to note that black men commit nearly half of all
murders in this country, which is astounding when you take into
consideration the fact that they only make up 12-13 per cent of the
population.???
???James???, 26 November 2014
There were angry protests across America this week after a grand jury
decided a white police officer should not stand trial for the killing of
black teenager Michael Brown in Ferguson, Missouri.
A case where the cops actions were entirely correct. Nothing shows that
the entire narrative that cops shoot blacks because they are racist as a
false one than the Michael Brown case. Yet, this is the case that
predicated the BLM movement, a movement founded on lies. And no critical
examination of the event was presented to the public by the media, they
stoked the embers as if there was a legitimate complaint.
Post by Anthony MarshFactCheck has already looked at the statistics on killings by law
enforcement officials. Though imperfect, the official figures suggest
blacks are disproportionately likely to die at the hands of police.
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This just shows what I said earlier, that people want to look at race
and results and that is it. They don`t want to consider mitigating
factors, they want to pretend all things are equal. Do blacks comply with
police instructions at the same rate as white. Most people who are shot by
police are attacking them, do white people and black people attack cops at
the same rate? Looking at information correctly and in the right context
would do harm to the false narratives of the left, so the media never
supplies it to the public.
Post by Anthony MarshSeveral people have left comments pointing out that this is not
necessarily surprising or unfair, since blacks are also
disproportionately likely to be involved in violent crime in the US,
thereby putting themselves in the firing line.
That is correct, you aren`t going to get equal results when the
realities of the situation are not equal. Liberals want to assume that
racism is the cause. And black cops shoot blacks at the same rate as
whites, are those cops racist? Perhaps it is the reality of what the cops,
white or black, are dealing with.
https://psmag.com/social-justice/black-cops-are-just-as-likely-as-whites-to-kill-black-suspects
Of course the narrative just get changed to institution racism, the
narrative must be protected at all costs, even if it means making stupid
arguments. The argument used to be that white cops would be quicker to
shoot or less likely to give a black suspect the benefit of the doubt. Are
black people who are cops just as biased?
Post by Anthony MarshOne reader, ???James???, wrote: ???It???s important to note that black men
commit nearly half of all murders in this country, which is astounding
when you take into consideration the fact that they only make up 12-13
per cent of the population.
???So, given this fact, does it make sense that black men are
disproportionately involved in shootings with the police? Your graph is
appropriately proportionate, when you take into consideration the role
that the black population plays in, not just murder, but crime in general.???
???Sean??? said: ???If one group is more likely to be involved in that then
they are more likely to be killed by the police ??? so they have nothing
to complain about if that is the case.???
We thought we???d check these claims out.
The analysis
It???s true that around 13 per cent of Americans are black, according to
the latest estimates from the US Census Bureau.
And yes, according to the Bureau of Justice Statistics, black offenders
committed 52 per cent of homicides recorded in the data between 1980 and
2008. Only 45 per cent of the offenders were white. Homicide is a
broader category than ???murder??? but let???s not split hairs.
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Blacks were disproportionately likely to commit homicide and to be the
victims. In 2008 the offending rate for blacks was seven times higher
than for whites and the victimisation rate was six times higher.
As we found yesterday, 93 per cent of black victims were killed by
blacks and 84 per cent of white victims were killed by whites.
Alternative statistics from the FBI are more up to date but include many
crimes where the killer???s race is not recorded. These numbers tell a
similar story.
In 2013, the FBI has black criminals carrying out 38 per cent of
murders, compared to 31.1 per cent for whites. The offender???s race was
???unknown??? in 29.1 per cent of cases.
What about violent crime more generally? FBI arrest rates are one way
into this. Over the last three years of data ??? 2011 to 2013 ??? 38.5 per
cent of people arrested for murder, manslaughter, rape, robbery, and
aggravated assault were black.
Clearly, these figures are problematic. We???re talking about arrests not
convictions, and high black arrest rates could be taken as evidence that
the police are racist.
Look at the police reports. Look at what the victims said about the race
of the person who committed the crime against them.
Post by Anthony MarshPolice corral protesters before making mass arrests in Los Angeles,
following Monday's grand jury decision in the shooting of BrownPolice
corral protesters before making mass arrests in Los Angeles, following
Monday's grand jury decision in the shooting of Brown
Perhaps masses of blacks throwing bricks at the cops led to mass black
arrests.
Post by Anthony MarshBut academics have noted that the proportion of black suspects arrested
by the police tends to match closely the proportion of offenders
identified as black by victims in the National Crime Victimization Survey.
Of course liberals will say the police are grabbing any blacks. Anything
to protect their false narratives. By refusing to address the reality of
disproportionate black crime liberals are insuring that the problem will
only get worse, and other blacks will pay the price.
And the problem is being solved anyway, with the proliferation of
security cameras. As the cost goes down they are appearing everywhere.
Many of my neighbors have them, soon it will be half, then almost all. I
don`t know how many times I`ve seen footage of a killer (almost invariably
black) on the news fleeing some murder. And the body cameras activists
insisted be installed are just backfiring, showing cops as professional
and courteous. These films have to be adding jail time to suspects (white
and black)when they show the egregious behavior of the people they have to
deal with. It is merely a matter of building prisons large enough to hold
all these thugs.
Post by Anthony MarshThis doesn???t support the idea that the police are unfairly
discriminating against the black population when they make arrests.
So why are black offenders ??? and young black men in particular ???
over-represented in America???s crime statistics?
Judging from online comments, there is a wide spectrum of views on this,
from unapologetic racism to militant refusal to blame the problem on
anything but historic white racism.
Liberals can`t admit that blacks might somehow be responsible for their
actions. The problem is rooted in an increasing violent culture, the
welfare state ensuring that most black children are raised by a single
mother and no accountability.
Post by Anthony MarshSome criminologists think we could be simply confusing race for poverty
or inequality: black people tend to offend more because they tend to be
more disadvantaged, living in poorer urban areas with less access to
public services, and so on.
This lame idea doesn`t float. Nobody is starving in this country. Just
because you want gold chains and $100 sneakers doesn`t mean you get to
sell drugs or take from other people to get them. People on welfare are
getting upwards of $30,000 a year in housing, medical, food stamps, money,
liheap energy assistance,ect. They get phones and public transportation
passes, because this was said to prevent them from getting work. The
economic excuse for crime just doesn`t fly.
Post by Anthony MarshIf you control for deprivation, people of different races ought to be
similarly predisposed to commit crime. Or that???s the theory, at least.
There is a lot of research in this area, but a lot of it is contradictory.
This study of violent crime in deprived neighbourhoods in Cleveland,
Ohio, found that reductions in poverty led to reductions in the crime
rate in exactly the same way in predominantly black and white areas,
suggesting poverty, not race, is the biggest factor.
Other studies get different results.
All sociologists have suffered from the same basic problem: finding
urban white communities that are as disadvantaged as the poorest black
neighbourhoods, so that you can get a fair comparison.
Some thinkers play down the importance of poverty in favour of the
???violent subculture theory???.
This is the idea that some black communities, for some reason, have
developed cultural values that are more tolerant of crime and violence.
Some commentators on the unrest in Ferguson ??? mostly right-wing, though
not all white ??? seem to favour this idea, but naturally it remains
highly controversial.
If the situation was looked at objectively it wouldn`t be. Just look at
rap lyrics. Violence is looked at as the "go-to" solution to problems in
the hood. If someone disrespects you you have to retaliate. Children are
taught not to take anything from anyone. You can look at pranking videos
on youtube, black people often go straight to violence. So instead of
learning the lesson in the Trayvon Martin case that *should* have been
learned (keep you hands to yourself) we go with false narratives which
insures the violence perpetuates itself forever.
Post by Anthony MarshThe verdict
There is evidence in the official police-recorded figures that black
Americans are more likely to commit certain types of crime than people
of other races.
White apologists for a hugely disproportionate amount of black crime. A
black male is eight times more likely to commit a forcible rape than a
white male...
https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2011/crime-in-the-u.s.-2011/tables/table-43
That crime has nothing to do with economics. I went into downtown Philly
yesterday, and wandered into an protest against sexual violence against
women. I saw signs like "Believe Women" and wondered if they knew how
sexist that was. I was wondering what the reaction would be if I wrote a
sign saying "Black Male Commit A Hugely Disproportionate Amount of Sexual
Assaults". Likely I would be attacked, maybe even arrested in this liberal
town, the powers that be would claim my stating of a fact to be hate
speech. And in the world these woman seem to be advocating, if they didn`t
like my sign they need only make a report of sexual assault against me,
and I would be convicted, as it would be somehow wrong to believe me.
Post by Anthony MarshWhile it would be na??ve to suggest that there is no racism in the US
criminal justice system, victim reports don???t support the idea that this
is because of mass discrimination.
Higher poverty rates among various urban black communities might explain
the difference in crime rates, although the evidence is mixed.
No, it really isn`t. Liberals apply spin to the data to muddy the water.
The false narrative of institutional racism must be protected at all cost.
Post by Anthony MarshThere are few simple answers and links between crime and race are likely
to remain the subject of bitter argument.
With liberals black crime validates white racism. The more black crime
the more white people are at fault.
Post by Anthony MarshPost by BudIt would be interesting to take a city like here in Philadelphia and
take all the police reports and surveillance video of crimes and break it
down according to race. That is, who the race of the perpetrator was
according to the victim or the apparent race of the person seen committing
a crime on video. Unless victims and film are somehow part of systematic
racism, this should give a pretty good idea how much crime is being
committed by blacks.
Post by Anthony MarshPost by John McAdamsThe interpret it to be just another way in which blacks are oppressed.
Maybe like being shot for no reason.
Another false narrative. Like the cops are riding down the street
gunning down black people.
People can watch the videos of police shootings here...
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXMYxKMh3prxnM_4kYZuB3g
Generally, they don`t shoot white people or black people, they shoot a
lot of stupid people.
Post by Anthony MarshPost by John McAdamsBut most people will see that, and interpret it to mean that blacks
commit proportionately much more crime than whites.
Yes, most people don't care to dig into the topic.
Facts do harm to some people`s false narratives.
Post by Anthony MarshPost by John McAdams.John
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