Post by bd4uPost by Frankie FatwaPost by bd4uPost by Frankie FatwaPost by bd4uPost by Eric Richardsonafter all your years of
ranting about how no one understands Jesus, especially the Christians
and you are the one who really understands,
Even the Muslims understand Jesus better than most *christians*
Lie.
Post by bd4uso that isn't really saying much.
Post by Eric Richardsonyada, yada, and then
saying that you didn't really need Jesus because the Torah has
everything you need,
Torah (LAW) Yep, Jesus Lived and Died the LAW, he NEVER
stepped outside of it. Unlike your sun Myung Moon has done.
The Torah (LAW) was what guided Jesus to his conclusions
in life. I want to make the LAW my highest priority too!
And it still won't get you eternal life.
Heheheh, Fairy Tales used for *control* purposes.
To scare you into conversion and to keep you there.
No, it's the truth. "Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but
according to His mercy He saved us." comes to mind. Look it up.
You can believe what you want, but it doesn't make it true.
Yes I can, and I endeavor to believe only the truth, not partial truths which
is what you are espousing.
Post by bd4uPost by Frankie FatwaIf you need some more verse, HOLLA!
NO thanks, i knew where you were driving to with your first three
verses to begin with. Thanks anyway, i'll let ya know if i want
biblical proof of your assertions. Right now i don't.
Ignorance is bliss.
Post by bd4uPost by Frankie FatwaPost by bd4uALL Jesus had was the Torah (LAW), his ascension
wasn't any *miracle* but rather because of the LAW that
he followed.
If it was good enough for Jesus, it's good enough
for me, without ALL the distractions..
Jesus was good enough to fulfill the Law.
Matthew 19:17 - And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there
is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life,
keep the commandments. (LAW of moses)
Matthew 19:21 - Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that
thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and
come and follow me.
You don't have to be good to go to Heaven, you have to be PERFECT. You're not
perfect.
Post by bd4uPost by Frankie FatwaYou're not. Let me ask you a couple
of things...Are you perfect? How was Father Abraham saved? How was Noah saved?
Job? Isaac? Rebecca? Jacob? Adam?
They were ALL saved by the LAW, if they were not saved it was because
they didn't have, or didn't live according to the LAW, or in
otherwords they didn't satisfactorily fullfill it.
How can they all be saved by the Law, when the Law had not been given yet?
Post by bd4uPost by Frankie FatwaPost by bd4uSome people will believe anything, even when proven
the opposit. there is NO proof of the *miricale of salvation*.
Jesus didn't offer it.. ..God did through the Torah (LAW of Moses).
Luke 19:9 - And Jesus said unto him, This day is salvation come to
this house, forsomuch as he also is a son of Abraham.
John 4:22 - Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for
salvation is of the Jews.
Acts 13:47 - For so hath the Lord commanded us, saying, I have set thee to be a
light of the Gentiles, that thou shouldest be for salvation unto the ends of
the earth.
Romans 3:29 - Is he the God of the Jews only? is he not also of the Gentiles?
Yeah, i figured you would dig up the dementia of Paul.
What makes you say that the writings of the Apostle Paul are 'dementia'?
Post by bd4uBelow are ALL New Testament verses about salvation.
You can quote the whole Bible if you want, but it takes wisdom and discernment
to "rightly divide the word of truth". Now either you're ignorant of hat the
Bible says about how a man is saved, or you know what it says and reject it
and/or you take verses out of context to fit your argument. IOW, mishandling
the Scriptures for your own agenda.
Post by bd4uNow please note, they come in two flavors. Pauls, and the
*word* of Jesus. Please tell me which of the two you would
believe above the other?
Fortunately, no one has to make that choice. The two are in agreement. After
all, Jesus chose Paul to be His apostle to the Gentiles.
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Luke 1:69 - And hath raised up an horn of salvation for us in the
house of his servant David;
Luke 1:77 - To give knowledge of salvation unto his people by the
remission of their sins,
Luke 2:30 - For mine eyes have seen thy salvation,
Luke 3:6 - And all flesh shall see the salvation of God.
Luke 19:9 - And Jesus said unto him, This day is salvation come to
this house, forsomuch as he also is a son of Abraham.
John 4:22 - Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for
salvation is of the Jews.
Acts 4:12 - Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is
none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be
saved.
^^
According to that verse, is salvation in the Name of Jesus or in the obeying
the Law? Surly it can't be both right?
Post by bd4uActs 13:26 - Men and brethren, children of the stock of Abraham, and
whosoever among you feareth God, to you is the word of this salvation
sent.
Acts 13:47 - For so hath the Lord commanded us, saying, I have set
thee to be a light of the Gentiles, that thou shouldest be for
salvation unto the ends of the earth.
Acts 16:17 - The same followed Paul and us, and cried, saying, These
men are the servants of the most high God, which shew unto us the way
of salvation.
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You lied. That's not all the verses in the New Testament which contain the word
salvation.
Here are some more...
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Romans 1:16 - For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power
of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also
to the Greek.
Romans 10:10 - For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with
the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
Romans 11:11 - I say then, Have they stumbled that they should fall? God
forbid: but rather through their fall salvation is come unto the Gentiles, for
to provoke them to jealousy.
Romans 13:11 - And that, knowing the time, that now it is high time to awake
out of sleep: for now is our salvation nearer than when we believed.
2 Corinthians 1:6 - And whether we be afflicted, it is for your consolation and
salvation, which is effectual in the enduring of the same sufferings which we
also suffer: or whether we be comforted, it is for your consolation and
salvation.
2 Corinthians 6:2 - (For he saith, I have heard thee in a time accepted, and in
the day of salvation have I succoured thee: behold, now is the accepted time;
behold, now is the day of salvation.)
2 Corinthians 7:10 - For godly sorrow worketh repentance to salvation not to be
repented of: but the sorrow of the world worketh death.
Ephesians 1:13 - In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of
truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye
were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,
Ephesians 6:17 - And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit,
which is the word of God:
Philippians1:19 - For I know that this shall turn to my salvation through your
prayer, and the supply of the Spirit of Jesus Christ,
Philippians1:28 - And in nothing terrified by your adversaries: which is to
them an evident token of perdition, but to you of salvation, and that of God.
Philippians2:12 - Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my
presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation
with fear and trembling.
1 Thessalonians 5:8 - But let us, who are of the day, be sober, putting on the
breastplate of faith and love; and for an helmet, the hope of salvation.
1 Thessalonians 5:9 - For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain
salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ,
2 Thessalonians 2:13 - But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you,
brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to
salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:
2 Timothy 2:10 - Therefore I endure all things for the elect's sakes, that they
may also obtain the salvation which is in Christ Jesus with eternal glory.
2 Timothy 3:15 - And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures,
which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in
Christ Jesus.
Titus 2:11 - For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all
men,
Hebrews 1:14 - Are they not all ministering spirits, sent forth to minister for
them who shall be heirs of salvation?
Hebrews 2:3 - How shall we escape, if we neglect so great salvation; which at
the first began to be spoken by the Lord, and was confirmed unto us by them
that heard him;
Hebrews 2:10 - For it became him, for whom are all things, and by whom are all
things, in bringing many sons unto glory, to make the captain of their
salvation perfect through sufferings.
Hebrews 5:9 - And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation
unto all them that obey him;
Hebrews 6:9 - But, beloved, we are persuaded better things of you, and things
that accompany salvation, though we thus speak.
Hebrews 9:28 - So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto
them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto
salvation.
1 Peter 1:5 - Who are kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation
ready to be revealed in the last time.
1 Peter 1:9 - Receiving the end of your faith, even the salvation of your
souls.
1 Peter 1:10 - Of which salvation the prophets have enquired and searched
diligently, who prophesied of the grace that should come unto you:
2 Peter 3:15 - And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation;
even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him
hath written unto you;
Jude 1:3 - Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common
salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort you that ye
should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the
saints.
Revelation 12:10 - And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come
salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his
Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before
our God day and night.
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Obviously you left out quite a bit. That's very dishonest, especially for
someone claiming to adhere to the truth.
And what do all those verses you left out agree to? Salvation is by faith and
not by your works. If salvation is dependent on your works, then you're gonna
fry.
Post by bd4uPost by Frankie FatwaPost by bd4uPost by Frankie FatwaPost by bd4uPost by Eric Richardsonyada, yada, yada, then posting this quote shows
that you really have no conviction except a desire to propagandize
against Rev. Moon.
NOPE, i just wanna reveal the TRUTH. The TRUTH is MOON is a false
MESSIAH trying to deceive the world!!! I don't want ANYbody deceived
like you are, to serve MOON for eternity in HELL.
moon the false teacher and moja the false prophet are two fruits of the same
dead tree. Both of them are about 50 cent short of a dollar.
Your opinion of course, proven wrong several times already..
aybe you should devote more time to study of th *scriptures*.
hehe, maybe I should, but what I know right now is enough to debate you. :)
Well go ahead, i'm awaiting your foolishness, i'll be all to happy to
assist you in recovering from it. If that is you are not beyond my
abilities already to cure your sick mind of what lies within it.
"Physician, heal thyself" ;)
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