What Would Happen To The EU

Never heard of Pew Research

http://www.pewresearch.org
Their polls can be quite revealing.
A majority of Muslims in several countries support the death penalty for
Muslims who convert away from Islam, including in Afghanistan (79 percent),
Egypt (88 percent), Pakistan (75 percent), the Palestinian territories (62
percent), Jordan (83 percent) and Malaysia (58 percent).
Forty percent of Muslims in the Palestinian territories and 39 percent of
Muslims in Afghanistan said attacking civilian targets to defend Islam is
often or sometimes justified. Further, 18 percent of Muslims in Afghanistan
and the Palestinian territories said such actions are “often” justified.
Muslims in many countries don’t have a problem with honor killings. While
majorities of Muslims — though rarely large majorities — surveyed in Central
Asia, Southeast Asia and Southern-Eastern Europe reject honor killings in
all circumstances, Muslims in South Asia and the Middle East-North Africa
seem to have less of a problem with the heinous practice.
One of the questions, which Pew asked of Muslims in 38 countries from
Europe, Asia, Africa and the Middle East, was whether or not they support
making sharia the official law in the country. In many countries, the answer
was overwhelmingly yes.
Check out these statistics: https://tinyurl.com/km7v7f4
1 out of 3 British Muslims aged 16 to 24 believe that Muslim apostates
should be executed.
Muslim First, British Second: https://tinyurl.com/mszupnd
47% of respondents said they considered themselves Muslims first and
Americans second: http://tinyurl.com/4hycq4
"Muslim first, Canadian by Accident": https://tinyurl.com/l58jz9f
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2015/09/shock-poll-51-of-muslims-want-sharia-law-25-okay-with-violence-against-infidels/
Not that shocking, actually.

An irony, where a BBC Panorama video is 'banned' from YouTube in my part
of the world?

Your last video does worry me, not necessarily for the outrageous views
of these muslims, we've heard it all before but our western society is
so full of liberals who still believe these obtuse fuckers can be
assimilated within our culture and if that proves difficult, then we
will give them all the concessions they want to propagate a culture
within a culture, with the aim, to eventually take over the host!

Soon people will say, what happened in a lifetime, to 'our' way of life.

Simply, we gave it all away even making laws against ourselves to help
these fucking morons achieve it!

omega

Dhu on Gate

2017-11-28 10:01:01 UTC

Post by Omega

Never heard of Pew Research

http://www.pewresearch.org
Their polls can be quite revealing.
A majority of Muslims in several countries support the death penalty for
Muslims who convert away from Islam, including in Afghanistan (79 percent),
Egypt (88 percent), Pakistan (75 percent), the Palestinian territories (62
percent), Jordan (83 percent) and Malaysia (58 percent).
Forty percent of Muslims in the Palestinian territories and 39 percent of
Muslims in Afghanistan said attacking civilian targets to defend Islam is
often or sometimes justified. Further, 18 percent of Muslims in Afghanistan
and the Palestinian territories said such actions are “often” justified.
Muslims in many countries don’t have a problem with honor killings. While
majorities of Muslims — though rarely large majorities — surveyed in Central
Asia, Southeast Asia and Southern-Eastern Europe reject honor killings in
all circumstances, Muslims in South Asia and the Middle East-North Africa
seem to have less of a problem with the heinous practice.
One of the questions, which Pew asked of Muslims in 38 countries from
Europe, Asia, Africa and the Middle East, was whether or not they support
making sharia the official law in the country. In many countries, the answer
was overwhelmingly yes.
Check out these statistics: https://tinyurl.com/km7v7f4
1 out of 3 British Muslims aged 16 to 24 believe that Muslim apostates
should be executed.
Muslim First, British Second: https://tinyurl.com/mszupnd
47% of respondents said they considered themselves Muslims first and
Americans second: http://tinyurl.com/4hycq4
"Muslim first, Canadian by Accident": https://tinyurl.com/l58jz9f
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2015/09/shock-poll-51-of-muslims-want-sharia-law-25-okay-with-violence-against-infidels/
Not that shocking, actually.

An irony, where a BBC Panorama video is 'banned' from YouTube in my part
of the world?
Your last video does worry me, not necessarily for the outrageous views
of these muslims, we've heard it all before but our western society is
so full of liberals who still believe these obtuse fuckers can be
assimilated within our culture and if that proves difficult, then we
will give them all the concessions they want to propagate a culture
within a culture, with the aim, to eventually take over the host!
Soon people will say, what happened in a lifetime, to 'our' way of life.
Simply, we gave it all away even making laws against ourselves to help
these fucking morons achieve it!
omega

Hunh.

Not a word, anywheres, about the Wierld's Largest Moslem country.

Figures don't lie, but Liars sure can figure ;-)

Dhu

--
Je suis Canadien. Ce n'est pas Francais ou Anglaise.
C'est une esp`ece de sauvage: ne obliviscaris, vix ea nostra voco;-)

http://babayaga.neotext.ca/PublicKeys/Duncan_Patton_a_Campbell_pubkey.txt

Byker

2017-12-01 20:29:30 UTC

Never heard of Pew Research

http://www.pewresearch.org

Have you heard that Islam is a peaceful religion because most Muslims live
peacefully and only a "tiny minority of extremists" practice violence?
That's like saying that White supremacy must be perfectly fine since only a
tiny minority of racists ever hurt anyone. Neither does it explain why
religious violence is largely endemic to Islam, despite the tremendous
persecution of religious minorities in Muslim countries.

In truth, even a tiny minority of "1%" of Muslims worldwide translates to 15
million believers - which is hardly an insignificant number. However, the
"minority" of Muslims who approve of terrorists, their goals, or their means
of achieving them is much greater than this. In fact, it isn't even a true
minority in some cases, depending on how goals and targets are defined.

The following polls convey what Muslims say are their attitudes toward
terrorism, al-Qaeda, Osama bin Laden, the 9/11 attacks, violence in defense
of Islam, Sharia, honor killings, and matters concerning assimilation in
Western society. The results are all the more astonishing because most of
the polls were conducted by organizations with an obvious interest in
"discovering" agreeable statistics that downplay any cause for concern.

These have been compiled over the years, so not all links remain active.
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
ICM Poll: 20% of British Muslims sympathize with 7/7 bombers
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1510866/Poll-reveals-40pc-of-Muslims-want-sharia-law-in-UK.html

NOP Research: 1 in 4 British Muslims say 7/7 bombings were justified
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/08/14/opinion/main1893879.shtml&date=2011-04-06
http://www.webcitation.org/5xkMGAEvY

Channel Four (2006): 31% of younger British Muslims say 7/7 bombings were
justified compared to 14% of those over 45.
http://www.policyexchange.org.uk/images/publications/living%20apart%20together%20-%20jan%2007.pdf

People-Press: 31% of Turks support suicide attacks against Westerners in
Iraq.
http://people-press.org/report/206/a-year-after-iraq-war

YNet: One third of Palestinians (32%) supported the slaughter of a Jewish
family, including the children:
http://pajamasmedia.com/tatler/2011/04/06/32-of-palestinians-support-infanticide/
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4053251,00.html

World Public Opinion: 83% of Egyptians approve of attacks on American
troops.
26% of Indonesians approve of attacks on American troops.
26% of Pakistanis approve of attacks on American troops.
68% of Moroccans approve of attacks on American troops.
90% of Palestinians approve of attacks on American troops.
72% of Jordanians approve of attacks on American troops.
52% of Turks approve of some or most groups that attack Americans (39%
oppose)
A minority of Muslims disagreed entirely with terror attacks on American
troops.
About half of those opposed to attacking Americans were sympathetic with
al-Qaeda’s attitude toward the U.S.
http://www.worldpublicopinion.org/pipa/pdf/feb09/STARTII_Feb09_rpt.pdf

World Public Opinion (2009): 30% of Palestinians support attacks on American
civilians working in Muslim countries. 24% support the murder of Americans
on U.S. soil.
Only 74% of Turks and 55% of Pakistanis disapprove of terror attacks against
civilians on U.S. soil.
http://www.worldpublicopinion.org/pipa/pdf/feb09/STARTII_Feb09_rpt.pdf

Pew Research (2010): 55% of Jordanians have a positive view of Hezbollah
30% of Egyptians have a positive view of Hezbollah
45% of Nigerian Muslims have a positive view of Hezbollah (26% negative)
43% of Indonesians have a positive view of Hezbollah (30% negative)
http://pewglobal.org/2010/12/02/muslims-around-the-world-divided-on-hamas-and-hezbollah/

Pew Research (2010): 60% of Jordanians have a positive view of Hamas (34%
negative).
49% of Egyptians have a positive view of Hamas (48% negative)
49% of Nigerian Muslims have a positive view of Hamas (25% negative)
39% of Indonesians have a positive view of Hamas (33% negative)
http://pewglobal.org/2010/12/02/muslims-around-the-world-divided-on-hamas-and-hezbollah/

Pew Research (2010): 15% of Indonesians believe suicide bombings are often
or sometimes justified.
34% of Nigerian Muslims believe suicide bombings are often or sometimes
justified.
http://pewglobal.org/2010/12/02/muslims-around-the-world-divided-on-hamas-and-hezbollah/

16% of young Muslims in Belgium state terrorism is "acceptable".
http://www.hln.be/hln/nl/1275/Islam/article/detail/1619036/2013/04/22/Zestien-procent-moslimjongens-vindt-terrorisme-aanvaardbaar.dhtml

Populus Poll (2006): 12% of young Muslims in Britain (and 12% overall)
believe that suicide attacks against civilians in Britain can be justified.
1 in 4 support suicide attacks against British troops.
http://www.danielpipes.org/blog/2005/07/more-survey-research-from-a-british-islamist

Pew Research (2007): 26% of younger Muslims in America believe suicide
bombings are justified.
35% of young Muslims in Britain believe suicide bombings are justified (24%
overall).
42% of young Muslims in France believe suicide bombings are justified (35%
overall).
22% of young Muslims in Germany believe suicide bombings are justified.(13%
overall).
29% of young Muslims in Spain believe suicide bombings are justified.(25%
overall).
http://www.pewresearch.org/files/old-assets/pdf/muslim-americans.pdf#page=60

Pew Research (2011): 8% of Muslims in America believe suicide bombings are
often or sometimes justified (81% never).
28% of Egyptian Muslims believe suicide bombings are often or sometimes
justified (38% never).
http://www.people-press.org/2011/08/30/muslim-americans-no-signs-of-growth-in-alienation-or-support-for-extremism/

Pew Research (2007): Muslim-Americans who identify more strongly with their
religion are three times more likely to feel that suicide bombings are
justified
http://www.pewresearch.org/files/old-assets/pdf/muslim-americans.pdf#page=60

27% of British Muslims do not support the deportation of Islamic extremists
preaching violence and hate.
http://www.danielpipes.org/blog/2005/07/more-survey-research-from-a-british-islamist.html

Federation of Student Islamic Societies: About 1 in 5 Muslim students in
Britain (18%) would not report a fellow Muslim planning a terror attack.
http://www.danielpipes.org/blog/2005/07/more-survey-research-from-a-british-islamist

ICM Poll: 25% of British Muslims disagree that a Muslim has an obligation to
report terrorists to police.
http://www.danielpipes.org/blog/2005/07/more-survey-research-from-a-british-islamist

Populus Poll (2006): 16% of British Muslims believe suicide attacks against
Israelis are justified.
37% believe Jews in Britain are a "legitimate target".
http://www.danielpipes.org/blog/2005/07/more-survey-research-from-a-british-islamist

World Public Opinion: Majorities in Egypt (63%) and Libya (61%) supported
the 9/11/2012 attacks against American embassies, including Benghazi.
Original Link:
http://www.worldpublicopinion.org/pipa/articles/brunitedstatescanadara/727.php?nid=&id=&pnt=727
(Removed) (Reference in this link)

Pew Research (2013): At least 1 in 4 Muslims do not reject violence against
civilians (study did not distinguish between those who believe it is
partially justified and never justified).
http://www.pewforum.org/uploadedFiles/Topics/Religious_Affiliation/Muslim/worlds-muslims-religion-politics-society-full-report.pdf

Pew Research (2013): 15% of Muslims in Turkey support suicide bombings (also
11% in Kosovo, 26% in Malaysia and 26% in Bangladesh).
http://www.pewforum.org/uploadedFiles/Topics/Religious_Affiliation/Muslim/worlds-muslims-religion-politics-society-full-report.pdf

PCPO (2014): 89% of Palestinians support Hamas and other terrorists firing
rockets at Israeli civilians.
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2014/08/poll-89-of-palestinians-support-jihad-terror-attacks-on-israely

Pew Research (2013): Only 57% of Muslims worldwide disapprove of al-Qaeda.
Only 51% disapprove of the Taliban. 13% support both groups and 1 in 4
refuse to say.
http://www.pewglobal.org/2013/09/10/muslim-publics-share-concerns-about-extremist-groups/

BBC Radio (2015): 45% of British Muslims agree that clerics preaching
violence against the West represent "mainstream Islam".
http://www.comres.co.uk/polls/bbc-radio-4-today-muslim-poll/

Palestinian Center for Political Research (2015): 74% of Palestinians
support Hamas terror attacks.
http://www.timesofisrael.com/support-for-hamas-skyrockets-following-war-poll-shows/

Pew Research (2014): 47% of Bangladeshi Muslims says suicide bombings and
violence are justified to "defend Islam". 1 in 4 believed the same in
Tanzania and Egypt. 1 in 5 Muslims in the 'moderate' countries of Turkey
and Malaysia.
http://www.pewglobal.org/2014/07/01/concerns-about-islamic-extremism-on-the-rise-in-middle-east/

The Polling Company CSP Poll (2015): 19% of Muslim-Americans say that
violence is justified in order to make Sharia the law in the United States
(66% disagree).
http://www.centerforsecuritypolicy.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/150612-CSP-Polling-Company-Nationwide-Online-Survey-of-Muslims-Topline-Poll-Data.pdf

The Polling Company CSP Poll (2015): 25% of Muslim-Americans say that
violence against Americans in the United States is justified as part of the
"global Jihad (64% disagree).
http://www.centerforsecuritypolicy.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/150612-CSP-Polling-Company-Nationwide-Online-Survey-of-Muslims-Topline-Poll-Data.pdf

The Sun (2015: Following Nov. 2015 attacks in Paris, 1 in 4 young Muslims in
Britain (and 1 in 5 overall) said they sympathize with those who fight for
ISIS.
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/politics/6758207/1-in-5-British-Muslims-have-sympathy-for-jihadis-in-poll.html
(link removed)

ICM (2016): 2 in 3 Muslims in Britain would not report terror plot to
police.
http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/659913/two-in-three-British-Muslims-would-NOT-give-police-terror-tip-offs
http://www.haaretz.com/world-news/europe/1.713917

East West University (Bangladesh) (2016): 1 in 10 Bangladeshi university
students support terrorism. Of these, more than half (52%) are from
well-off families.
http://bdnews24.com/bangladesh/2016/11/21/study-finds-10-percent-students-in-bangladesh-universities-support-terrorism

Policy Exchange (2016): 48% if British Muslims would not report a person
"linked to terror."
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/2308529/half-british-muslims-would-not-report-is-supporters/

See also: http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Muslim_Statistics_(Terrorism) for
further statistics on Islamic terror.

"Strive hard against the unbelievers and the hypocrites and be unyielding to
them; and their abode is hell, and evil is their destination" -- Quran 9:73

finally ditched mimo

2017-12-01 20:57:49 UTC

Never heard of Pew Research

http://www.pewresearch.org
Have you heard that Islam is a peaceful religion because most Muslims live
peacefully and only a "tiny minority of extremists" practice violence?

Have you heard that Christianity is a peaceful religion because most
Christians live peacefully?

After all, no wars have ever been started or perpetuated by Christians, and
no Christian would ever kill anyone.

So there...

Post by Byker
That's like saying that White supremacy must be perfectly fine since only a
tiny minority of racists ever hurt anyone. Neither does it explain why
religious violence is largely endemic to Islam, despite the tremendous
persecution of religious minorities in Muslim countries.
In truth, even a tiny minority of "1%" of Muslims worldwide translates to 15
million believers - which is hardly an insignificant number. However, the
"minority" of Muslims who approve of terrorists, their goals, or their means
of achieving them is much greater than this. In fact, it isn't even a true
minority in some cases, depending on how goals and targets are defined.
The following polls convey what Muslims say are their attitudes toward
terrorism, al-Qaeda, Osama bin Laden, the 9/11 attacks, violence in defense
of Islam, Sharia, honor killings, and matters concerning assimilation in
Western society. The results are all the more astonishing because most of
the polls were conducted by organizations with an obvious interest in
"discovering" agreeable statistics that downplay any cause for concern.
These have been compiled over the years, so not all links remain active.
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
ICM Poll: 20% of British Muslims sympathize with 7/7 bombers
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1510866/Poll-reveals-40pc-of-Muslims-wa
nt-sharia-law-in-UK.html
NOP Research: 1 in 4 British Muslims say 7/7 bombings were justified
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/08/14/opinion/main1893879.shtml&date=2011-
04-06
http://www.webcitation.org/5xkMGAEvY
Channel Four (2006): 31% of younger British Muslims say 7/7 bombings were
justified compared to 14% of those over 45.
http://www.policyexchange.org.uk/images/publications/living%20apart%20together
%20-%20jan%2007.pdf
People-Press: 31% of Turks support suicide attacks against Westerners in
Iraq.
http://people-press.org/report/206/a-year-after-iraq-war
YNet: One third of Palestinians (32%) supported the slaughter of a Jewish
http://pajamasmedia.com/tatler/2011/04/06/32-of-palestinians-support-infantici
de/
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4053251,00.html
World Public Opinion: 83% of Egyptians approve of attacks on American
troops.
26% of Indonesians approve of attacks on American troops.
26% of Pakistanis approve of attacks on American troops.
68% of Moroccans approve of attacks on American troops.
90% of Palestinians approve of attacks on American troops.
72% of Jordanians approve of attacks on American troops.
52% of Turks approve of some or most groups that attack Americans (39%
oppose)
A minority of Muslims disagreed entirely with terror attacks on American
troops.
About half of those opposed to attacking Americans were sympathetic with
al-Qaeda’s attitude toward the U.S.
http://www.worldpublicopinion.org/pipa/pdf/feb09/STARTII_Feb09_rpt.pdf
World Public Opinion (2009): 30% of Palestinians support attacks on American
civilians working in Muslim countries. 24% support the murder of Americans
on U.S. soil.
Only 74% of Turks and 55% of Pakistanis disapprove of terror attacks against
civilians on U.S. soil.
http://www.worldpublicopinion.org/pipa/pdf/feb09/STARTII_Feb09_rpt.pdf
Pew Research (2010): 55% of Jordanians have a positive view of Hezbollah
30% of Egyptians have a positive view of Hezbollah
45% of Nigerian Muslims have a positive view of Hezbollah (26% negative)
43% of Indonesians have a positive view of Hezbollah (30% negative)
http://pewglobal.org/2010/12/02/muslims-around-the-world-divided-on-hamas-and-
hezbollah/
Pew Research (2010): 60% of Jordanians have a positive view of Hamas (34%
negative).
49% of Egyptians have a positive view of Hamas (48% negative)
49% of Nigerian Muslims have a positive view of Hamas (25% negative)
39% of Indonesians have a positive view of Hamas (33% negative)
http://pewglobal.org/2010/12/02/muslims-around-the-world-divided-on-hamas-and-
hezbollah/
Pew Research (2010): 15% of Indonesians believe suicide bombings are often
or sometimes justified.
34% of Nigerian Muslims believe suicide bombings are often or sometimes
justified.
http://pewglobal.org/2010/12/02/muslims-around-the-world-divided-on-hamas-and-
hezbollah/
16% of young Muslims in Belgium state terrorism is "acceptable".
http://www.hln.be/hln/nl/1275/Islam/article/detail/1619036/2013/04/22/Zestien-
procent-moslimjongens-vindt-terrorisme-aanvaardbaar.dhtml
Populus Poll (2006): 12% of young Muslims in Britain (and 12% overall)
believe that suicide attacks against civilians in Britain can be justified.
1 in 4 support suicide attacks against British troops.
http://www.danielpipes.org/blog/2005/07/more-survey-research-from-a-british-is
lamist
Pew Research (2007): 26% of younger Muslims in America believe suicide
bombings are justified.
35% of young Muslims in Britain believe suicide bombings are justified (24%
overall).
42% of young Muslims in France believe suicide bombings are justified (35%
overall).
22% of young Muslims in Germany believe suicide bombings are justified.(13%
overall).
29% of young Muslims in Spain believe suicide bombings are justified.(25%
overall).
http://www.pewresearch.org/files/old-assets/pdf/muslim-americans.pdf#page=60
Pew Research (2011): 8% of Muslims in America believe suicide bombings are
often or sometimes justified (81% never).
28% of Egyptian Muslims believe suicide bombings are often or sometimes
justified (38% never).
http://www.people-press.org/2011/08/30/muslim-americans-no-signs-of-growth-in-
alienation-or-support-for-extremism/
Pew Research (2007): Muslim-Americans who identify more strongly with their
religion are three times more likely to feel that suicide bombings are
justified
http://www.pewresearch.org/files/old-assets/pdf/muslim-americans.pdf#page=60
27% of British Muslims do not support the deportation of Islamic extremists
preaching violence and hate.
http://www.danielpipes.org/blog/2005/07/more-survey-research-from-a-british-is
lamist.html
Federation of Student Islamic Societies: About 1 in 5 Muslim students in
Britain (18%) would not report a fellow Muslim planning a terror attack.
http://www.danielpipes.org/blog/2005/07/more-survey-research-from-a-british-is
lamist
ICM Poll: 25% of British Muslims disagree that a Muslim has an obligation to
report terrorists to police.
http://www.danielpipes.org/blog/2005/07/more-survey-research-from-a-british-is
lamist
Populus Poll (2006): 16% of British Muslims believe suicide attacks against
Israelis are justified.
37% believe Jews in Britain are a "legitimate target".
http://www.danielpipes.org/blog/2005/07/more-survey-research-from-a-british-is
lamist
World Public Opinion: Majorities in Egypt (63%) and Libya (61%) supported
the 9/11/2012 attacks against American embassies, including Benghazi.
http://www.worldpublicopinion.org/pipa/articles/brunitedstatescanadara/727.php
?nid=&id=&pnt=727
(Removed) (Reference in this link)
Pew Research (2013): At least 1 in 4 Muslims do not reject violence against
civilians (study did not distinguish between those who believe it is
partially justified and never justified).
http://www.pewforum.org/uploadedFiles/Topics/Religious_Affiliation/Muslim/worl
ds-muslims-religion-politics-society-full-report.pdf
Pew Research (2013): 15% of Muslims in Turkey support suicide bombings (also
11% in Kosovo, 26% in Malaysia and 26% in Bangladesh).
http://www.pewforum.org/uploadedFiles/Topics/Religious_Affiliation/Muslim/worl
ds-muslims-religion-politics-society-full-report.pdf
PCPO (2014): 89% of Palestinians support Hamas and other terrorists firing
rockets at Israeli civilians.
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2014/08/poll-89-of-palestinians-support-jihad-terror
-attacks-on-israely
Pew Research (2013): Only 57% of Muslims worldwide disapprove of al-Qaeda.
Only 51% disapprove of the Taliban. 13% support both groups and 1 in 4
refuse to say.
http://www.pewglobal.org/2013/09/10/muslim-publics-share-concerns-about-extrem
ist-groups/
BBC Radio (2015): 45% of British Muslims agree that clerics preaching
violence against the West represent "mainstream Islam".
http://www.comres.co.uk/polls/bbc-radio-4-today-muslim-poll/
Palestinian Center for Political Research (2015): 74% of Palestinians
support Hamas terror attacks.
http://www.timesofisrael.com/support-for-hamas-skyrockets-following-war-poll-s
hows/
Pew Research (2014): 47% of Bangladeshi Muslims says suicide bombings and
violence are justified to "defend Islam". 1 in 4 believed the same in
Tanzania and Egypt. 1 in 5 Muslims in the 'moderate' countries of Turkey
and Malaysia.
http://www.pewglobal.org/2014/07/01/concerns-about-islamic-extremism-on-the-ri
se-in-middle-east/
The Polling Company CSP Poll (2015): 19% of Muslim-Americans say that
violence is justified in order to make Sharia the law in the United States
(66% disagree).
http://www.centerforsecuritypolicy.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/150612-CSP-P
olling-Company-Nationwide-Online-Survey-of-Muslims-Topline-Poll-Data.pdf
The Polling Company CSP Poll (2015): 25% of Muslim-Americans say that
violence against Americans in the United States is justified as part of the
"global Jihad (64% disagree).
http://www.centerforsecuritypolicy.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/150612-CSP-P
olling-Company-Nationwide-Online-Survey-of-Muslims-Topline-Poll-Data.pdf
The Sun (2015: Following Nov. 2015 attacks in Paris, 1 in 4 young Muslims in
Britain (and 1 in 5 overall) said they sympathize with those who fight for
ISIS.
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/politics/6758207/1-in-5-British-Musl
ims-have-sympathy-for-jihadis-in-poll.html
(link removed)
ICM (2016): 2 in 3 Muslims in Britain would not report terror plot to
police.
http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/659913/two-in-three-British-Muslims-would-NOT
-give-police-terror-tip-offs
http://www.haaretz.com/world-news/europe/1.713917
East West University (Bangladesh) (2016): 1 in 10 Bangladeshi university
students support terrorism. Of these, more than half (52%) are from
well-off families.
http://bdnews24.com/bangladesh/2016/11/21/study-finds-10-percent-students-in-b
angladesh-universities-support-terrorism
Policy Exchange (2016): 48% if British Muslims would not report a person
"linked to terror."
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/2308529/half-british-muslims-would-not-report-is
-supporters/
See also: http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Muslim_Statistics_(Terrorism) for
further statistics on Islamic terror.
"Strive hard against the unbelievers and the hypocrites and be unyielding to
them; and their abode is hell, and evil is their destination" -- Quran 9:73

Byker

2017-12-01 21:16:06 UTC

Post by finally ditched mimo
So there...

I might add that 99.9% of Christian fundamentalists won't lift a finger
against queers, blacks, Muslims, Antifa radicals, illegal aliens, or any
other "Godless heathen cretins." It's just they'd make little effort to stop
the 0.1% would round up and liquidate the undesirables. You ought to hear
the way they carry on when there are no "outsiders" within earshot. I've
only been hearing it for the last forty years here in the Heartland.

This hasn't happened yet in the U.S., but give it time. When things get bad
enough, it's entirely possible to twist Scripture around to produce
Christian suicide bombers...
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Jesus Jihad: Could There Be a Christian Bin Laden?

Jonny Scaramanga
Jun 20, 2012

I recently made the controversial claim that I could have been a suicide
bomber: https://tinyurl.com/y78pe4kp

I claimed that my faith was so devout, and my ability for critical thought
so crippled, that if someone had shown me an interpretation of Scripture
that made it seem like God's will, I would have killed for the faith. And I
was depressed enough to kill myself, because fundamentalism doesn't offer
any real answers.

Of course, Christians will deny a Biblical basis for such actions is
possible. But Islamic scholars claim such a reading of the Koran is equally
unsustainable, yet suicide bombers exist, and only preposterously
politically-correct liberal commentators deny that faith is a motivating
factor. So today I'll show that, in principle, there's no reason why a
Christian suicide bomber couldn't arise. Here's what their propaganda
leaflets might look like:

A dead, bearded, Middle Eastern man. Do not confuse with Jesus.

Jesus has called us to bring the world to Him. But today, we have let the
godless throw Him out. God is blasphemed on television every day. A
holocaust of God's children sees millions of babies murdered in abortion
clinics across the world. Muslims, the followers of the devil, immigrate to
our country every day and open Mosques in rejection of the One True Lord.
They are accorded respect, while Christianity is marginalized and prayer to
God in council meetings is banned. Homosexuals are accorded respect by the
established church, when God told us they would not inherit his kingdom (1
Corinthians 6:9). We see our God mocked and yet we stand by and do nothing.
It is time to take action. Jesus told us this would be necessary:

Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace,
but a sword. For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and
the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother
in law. And a man's foes shall be they of his own household.

He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me: and he
that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me. And he that
taketh not his cross, and followeth after me, is not worthy of me. He that
findeth his life shall lose it: and he that loseth his life for my sake
shall find it.

Matthew 10:34-39, see also Luke 12:51-53

We have ignored God's Word and become unequally yoked with unbelievers (2
Corinthians 6:14), allowing Godless men to run our country. We have become
friends of the world, and God has removed His hand of protection.

Ye adulterers and adulteresses, know ye not that the friendship of the
world is enmity with God? whosoever therefore will be a friend of the world
is the enemy of God.

James 4:4

The results of this are plain to see. Our country has been hit by terrorist
attacks and an economic recession as the blessing of God is taken from us.
It is time to attack, just as God commanded His children to destroy the
Hittites, the Girgashites, the Amonites, the Canaanites, the Perizzites, the
Hivites, and the Jebusites:

And when the LORD thy God shall deliver them before thee; thou shalt smite
them, and utterly destroy them; thou shalt make no covenant with them, nor
shew mercy unto them.

Deuteronomy 7:2

We must not fail in this mission. God commands us to put to death
blasphemers, those who ignore the Sabbath, homosexuals, psychics, and
children who refuse to obey the LORD's commands through their parents.
Today, we let disobedient children run riot, when Jesus Himself told us
disobedient children must die. And the LORD Jesus specifically told us we
must keep the commands of the Law.

For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one
tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. Whosoever
therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men
so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever
shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of
heaven.

Matthew 5:18-19

In the Book of Revelation, Jesus tells the church at Thyatira that he has "a
few things against" the church, because they it tolerates fornication. Let
us not be like them, for Jesus tells us He will give us according to our
works. We must fulfil the words of God's prophetic book, and kill the
fornicating children of Jezebel.

Notwithstanding I have a few things against thee, because thou sufferest
that woman Jezebel, which calleth herself a prophetess, to teach and to
seduce my servants to commit fornication, and to eat things sacrificed unto
idols. And I gave her space to repent of her fornication; and she repented
not. Behold, I will cast her into a bed, and them that commit adultery with
her into great tribulation, except they repent of their deeds. And I will
kill her children with death; and all the churches shall know that am he
which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you
according to your works.

Revelation 2:20-23

So brothers, let us unleash the promised vengeance of the LORD, knowing the
glory of eternal life we will receive as God's reward.

Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except a corn of wheat fall into the
ground and die, it abideth alone: but if it die, it bringeth forth much
fruit. He that loveth his life shall lose it; and he that hateth his life in
this world shall keep it unto life eternal.

John 12:24-25

What I Am Not Saying
I am not saying that this is a coherent reading of the Bible, or that this
is what Christians believe. I am not pretending that a competent theologian
(or just someone who's read the Bible) could not thoroughly rebut this
argument.

What I Am Saying
1) Christians who cherry pick violent verses from the Koran as an attack on
Muslims are being hypocritical.

2) If you claim, as fundamentalists do, that the Bible is 100% consistent,
equally and in all parts the Word of God, and intended to be taken
literally, there is no logical way around this argument.

3) Fundamentalism offers no bulwark against this kind of thing happening,
because it disables the one weapon we have against it: logical reasoning.

4) Because fundamentalism teaches that all Scripture is equal, without
error, and without contradiction, a credulous fundamentalist could fall for
this. Someone making the argument above would have to explain away a few
well-known verses about love (etc.), but this could be done by saying that
those who have repeatedly rejected God do not deserve this love.

Is This Likely?

It's not as unlikely as apologists want to think. Alice Miller has argued
very strongly that authoritarian parenting and strict corporal punishment
helped to form Adolf Hitler's character. Professor David Berliner further
argues that this parenting style is remarkably similar to that advocated by
Christian fundamentalists in their books on child-rearing.

There is already evidence in America that fundamentalists see themselves as
a persecuted minority. I often discuss with Adam Laats, who takes a much
more generous attitude to the Christian Right than me, the way
fundamentalist America views itself as marginalized. If they also suffer in
an economic depression and view atheists or other religions as receiving
preferential treatment (regardless of the accuracy of that perception), a
fundamentalist Christian terrorist is not beyond the realms of imagination.

Arguably, instances of Christian terrorism are already occurring. The Army
of God explicitly uses the Bible to support bombing abortion clinics and
murdering abortionists at their website. Of course, evangelicals will
distance themselves from this, saying these people "aren't true Christians."
But that defense doesn't work. If you insist that all Scripture is equally
the Word of God, and that the Bible is 100% consistent, then you cannot
logically denounce any argument supported by Bible verses. Furthermore, the
reading of Scripture I've used above does not contradict any of the core
tenets of conservative Christian faith.

As I already said, I was a devout, Bible-believing, conservative,
fundamentalist Christian and I'm sure that, aged 14, if a charismatic youth
leader had tried to persuade me of this, I could have gone for it. And it
would have been the belief itself that motivated me primarily.

I am using this extreme example to make a more important point: If you truly
believe something, you will act on it. Faith can make good people do evil
things. This is why fundamentalism must be fought.

https://tinyurl.com/ya2s33oy

Omega

2017-12-02 08:50:26 UTC

Post by finally ditched mimo
So there...

I might add that 99.9% of Christian fundamentalists won't lift a finger
against queers, blacks, Muslims, Antifa radicals, illegal aliens, or any
other "Godless heathen cretins." It's just they'd make little effort to stop
the 0.1% would round up and liquidate the undesirables. You ought to hear
the way they carry on when there are no "outsiders" within earshot. I've
only been hearing it for the last forty years here in the Heartland.
This hasn't happened yet in the U.S., but give it time. When things get
bad
enough, it's entirely possible to twist Scripture around to produce
Christian suicide bombers...
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Jesus Jihad: Could There Be a Christian Bin Laden?
Jonny Scaramanga
Jun 20, 2012
I recently made the controversial claim that I could have been a suicide
bomber: https://tinyurl.com/y78pe4kp
I claimed that my faith was so devout, and my ability for critical thought
so crippled, that if someone had shown me an interpretation of Scripture
that made it seem like God's will, I would have killed for the faith. And I
was depressed enough to kill myself, because fundamentalism doesn't offer
any real answers.
Of course, Christians will deny a Biblical basis for such actions is
possible. But Islamic scholars claim such a reading of the Koran is equally
unsustainable, yet suicide bombers exist, and only preposterously
politically-correct liberal commentators deny that faith is a motivating
factor. So today I'll show that, in principle, there's no reason why a
Christian suicide bomber couldn't arise. Here's what their propaganda
A dead, bearded, Middle Eastern man. Do not confuse with Jesus.
Jesus has called us to bring the world to Him. But today, we have let the
godless throw Him out. God is blasphemed on television every day. A
holocaust of God's children sees millions of babies murdered in abortion
clinics across the world. Muslims, the followers of the devil, immigrate to
our country every day and open Mosques in rejection of the One True Lord.
They are accorded respect, while Christianity is marginalized and prayer to
God in council meetings is banned. Homosexuals are accorded respect by the
established church, when God told us they would not inherit his kingdom (1
Corinthians 6:9). We see our God mocked and yet we stand by and do nothing.
Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send
peace,
but a sword. For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and
the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother
in law. And a man's foes shall be they of his own household.
He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me: and he
that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me. And he that
taketh not his cross, and followeth after me, is not worthy of me. He that
findeth his life shall lose it: and he that loseth his life for my sake
shall find it.
Matthew 10:34-39, see also Luke 12:51-53
We have ignored God's Word and become unequally yoked with unbelievers (2
Corinthians 6:14), allowing Godless men to run our country. We have become
friends of the world, and God has removed His hand of protection.
Ye adulterers and adulteresses, know ye not that the friendship of the
world is enmity with God? whosoever therefore will be a friend of the world
is the enemy of God.
James 4:4
The results of this are plain to see. Our country has been hit by terrorist
attacks and an economic recession as the blessing of God is taken from us.
It is time to attack, just as God commanded His children to destroy the
Hittites, the Girgashites, the Amonites, the Canaanites, the Perizzites, the
And when the LORD thy God shall deliver them before thee; thou shalt
smite
them, and utterly destroy them; thou shalt make no covenant with them, nor
shew mercy unto them.
Deuteronomy 7:2
We must not fail in this mission. God commands us to put to death
blasphemers, those who ignore the Sabbath, homosexuals, psychics, and
children who refuse to obey the LORD's commands through their parents.
Today, we let disobedient children run riot, when Jesus Himself told us
disobedient children must die. And the LORD Jesus specifically told us we
must keep the commands of the Law.
For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one
tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. Whosoever
therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men
so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever
shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of
heaven.
Matthew 5:18-19
In the Book of Revelation, Jesus tells the church at Thyatira that he has "a
few things against" the church, because they it tolerates fornication. Let
us not be like them, for Jesus tells us He will give us according to our
works. We must fulfil the words of God's prophetic book, and kill the
fornicating children of Jezebel.
Notwithstanding I have a few things against thee, because thou sufferest
that woman Jezebel, which calleth herself a prophetess, to teach and to
seduce my servants to commit fornication, and to eat things sacrificed unto
idols. And I gave her space to repent of her fornication; and she repented
not. Behold, I will cast her into a bed, and them that commit adultery with
her into great tribulation, except they repent of their deeds. And I will
kill her children with death; and all the churches shall know that am he
which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you
according to your works.
Revelation 2:20-23
So brothers, let us unleash the promised vengeance of the LORD, knowing the
glory of eternal life we will receive as God's reward.
Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except a corn of wheat fall into the
ground and die, it abideth alone: but if it die, it bringeth forth much
fruit. He that loveth his life shall lose it; and he that hateth his life in
this world shall keep it unto life eternal.
John 12:24-25
What I Am Not Saying
I am not saying that this is a coherent reading of the Bible, or that this
is what Christians believe. I am not pretending that a competent theologian
(or just someone who's read the Bible) could not thoroughly rebut this
argument.
What I Am Saying
1) Christians who cherry pick violent verses from the Koran as an attack on
Muslims are being hypocritical.
2) If you claim, as fundamentalists do, that the Bible is 100% consistent,
equally and in all parts the Word of God, and intended to be taken
literally, there is no logical way around this argument.
3) Fundamentalism offers no bulwark against this kind of thing happening,
because it disables the one weapon we have against it: logical reasoning.
4) Because fundamentalism teaches that all Scripture is equal, without
error, and without contradiction, a credulous fundamentalist could fall for
this. Someone making the argument above would have to explain away a few
well-known verses about love (etc.), but this could be done by saying that
those who have repeatedly rejected God do not deserve this love.
Is This Likely?
It's not as unlikely as apologists want to think. Alice Miller has argued
very strongly that authoritarian parenting and strict corporal punishment
helped to form Adolf Hitler's character. Professor David Berliner further
argues that this parenting style is remarkably similar to that advocated by
Christian fundamentalists in their books on child-rearing.
There is already evidence in America that fundamentalists see themselves as
a persecuted minority. I often discuss with Adam Laats, who takes a much
more generous attitude to the Christian Right than me, the way
fundamentalist America views itself as marginalized. If they also suffer in
an economic depression and view atheists or other religions as receiving
preferential treatment (regardless of the accuracy of that perception), a
fundamentalist Christian terrorist is not beyond the realms of imagination.
Arguably, instances of Christian terrorism are already occurring. The Army
of God explicitly uses the Bible to support bombing abortion clinics and
murdering abortionists at their website. Of course, evangelicals will
distance themselves from this, saying these people "aren't true Christians."
But that defense doesn't work. If you insist that all Scripture is equally
the Word of God, and that the Bible is 100% consistent, then you cannot
logically denounce any argument supported by Bible verses. Furthermore, the
reading of Scripture I've used above does not contradict any of the core
tenets of conservative Christian faith.
As I already said, I was a devout, Bible-believing, conservative,
fundamentalist Christian and I'm sure that, aged 14, if a charismatic youth
leader had tried to persuade me of this, I could have gone for it. And it
would have been the belief itself that motivated me primarily.
I am using this extreme example to make a more important point: If you truly
believe something, you will act on it. Faith can make good people do evil
things. This is why fundamentalism must be fought.
https://tinyurl.com/ya2s33oy

White Christian Fundamentalists scare me as much as radical muslims.

omega

Byker

2017-12-02 17:35:25 UTC

Post by Omega
White Christian Fundamentalists scare me as much as radical muslims.

It's astounding how much Far-Right propaganda will be accepted by the the
general population if only the outright race hate and anti-Semitism are
removed. You can hear 99% of the same message 24/7 on Trinity Broadcasting,
which is watched by millions of people who would be shocked to be called
"bigots." Tune in your living room idiot box to TBN sometime. Chances are
what you'll hear, in addition to the Gospel, will be thinly disguised
propaganda pitches from Right-Wing political causes. In a nutshell, what
you'll hear from John Hagee and the rest of the TV preachers is something
that is all too familiar to any student of history:

-- "Our government is corrupt."

-- "Our political leaders are sexually corrupt."

-- "You are being cheated."

-- "You deserve better."

-- "We must make our nation great again."

-- "Sinister forces have infiltrated our government and are manipulating it
behind the scenes."

-- "If the radical solutions we propose are not instituted very soon, doom
is imminent."

-- "Our country is being polluted by the influx of inferior peoples."

Sound familiar? It ought to be if you studied the lives of dictators,
because Hitler, Lenin, Castro, Mao, and the Ayatollah Khomeini all harangued
audiences with these statements in their rise to power. Chicago Tribune
reporter James Coates, whose book "Armed and Dangerous" turns up as a source
in nearly every book on the Far Right published since 1987, points out the
similarities between the Religious Right and the Radical Right, noting that,
minus the outright race hate and anti-Semitism, the messages are virtually
identical. Millions of people watch TBN daily, and after being exposed to
these messages for decades, in a time of crisis or national emergency, it
will be a very small step indeed from the messages of Pat Robertson or Joel
Osteen to those of David Duke and Richard Spencer...

Libs R Pervs

2017-12-03 18:27:01 UTC

Post by Omega
White Christian Fundamentalists scare me as much as radical muslims.
omega

Then you're a sickening apologist for Jihad, you worthless extermibale
scumbag.

Libs R Pervs

2017-12-01 21:34:01 UTC

Never heard of Pew Research

http://www.pewresearch.org
Have you heard that Islam is a peaceful religion because most Muslims live
peacefully and only a "tiny minority of extremists" practice violence?

Have you heard that Christianity is a peaceful religion because most
Christians live peacefully?

Yes...yes they DO!

Post by finally ditched mimo
After all, no wars have ever been started or perpetuated by Christians,

For purely religious purposes?

I think we know how long ago THAT's been.

Post by finally ditched mimo
and no Christian would ever kill anyone.

By beheading them?

Not as a systemic punishment, no.

Post by finally ditched mimo
So there...

So....FUCK YOU STRAIGHT TO HELL!

You radical Islime apologist scum.

finally ditched mimo

2017-12-02 08:33:52 UTC

Never heard of Pew Research

http://www.pewresearch.org
Have you heard that Islam is a peaceful religion because most Muslims live
peacefully and only a "tiny minority of extremists" practice violence?

Have you heard that Christianity is a peaceful religion because most
Christians live peacefully?

Yes...yes they DO!

Post by finally ditched mimo
After all, no wars have ever been started or perpetuated by Christians,

For purely religious purposes?
I think we know how long ago THAT's been.

Try a couple of decades ago between Protestants and Catholics.

Of course, in order to protect the charade in which you believe, that could
never be termed a war.

That was just a minor trouble. Yeah right - dream on.

Post by finally ditched mimo
and no Christian would ever kill anyone.

By beheading them?

Christians have guns. Christians have drones. Christians drop bombs from
35000ft. Christians have nuclear weapons. They don’t need beheadings.

Post by Libs R Pervs
Not as a systemic punishment, no.

Post by finally ditched mimo
So there...

So....FUCK YOU STRAIGHT TO HELL!
You radical Islime apologist scum.

I’m an apologist for no one; but you are obviously in serious denial.

Maybe you could do some sensible reading and find out the percentage of
Muslims and then the percentage of Christians who live peacefully, and
discover whether one religion has a significantly higher figure than the
other; instead of simply guessing and then shouting your gob off when you
can’t force everyone to agree with you.

Libs R Pervs

2017-12-03 18:26:14 UTC

Never heard of Pew Research

http://www.pewresearch.org
Have you heard that Islam is a peaceful religion because most Muslims live
peacefully and only a "tiny minority of extremists" practice violence?

Have you heard that Christianity is a peaceful religion because most
Christians live peacefully?

Yes...yes they DO!

Post by finally ditched mimo
After all, no wars have ever been started or perpetuated by Christians,

For purely religious purposes?
I think we know how long ago THAT's been.

Try a couple of decades ago between Protestants and Catholics.

That wasn't a 'war", it was an internecine squabble.

Post by finally ditched mimo
Of course, in order to protect the charade in which you believe, that could
never be termed a war.

Only by a hyperbolic MORON, true.

Post by finally ditched mimo
That was just a minor trouble. Yeah right - dream on.

Did it spread to some other continent, istmus, island...anywhere?

Nuff said.

Post by finally ditched mimo
and no Christian would ever kill anyone.

By beheading them?

Christians have guns.

So do Muzzies.

Post by finally ditched mimo
Christians have drones.

So do Muzzies.

Post by finally ditched mimo
Christians drop bombs from
35000ft.

To END conflicts, yes.

Post by finally ditched mimo
Christians have nuclear weapons.

Used HOW many times?

Oh yeah...that...

Post by finally ditched mimo
They don’t need beheadings.

Nor do they embrace and venerate them as scripturally called for and
justified, you scumeating little shitbug.